December 1, 2021 Show with Andy Woodard on “A Line in the Sand: Bringing Clarity, Courage, & Confiction to the Issues Most Threatening the Church Today”

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December 2021.

And I'm thrilled to have back on the program a returning guest, my friend Andy Woodard, who is

pastor of Providence Baptist Church of New York City, a Reformed Baptist

congregation.

And we are going to be addressing a conference that's going to be held there next weekend,

A Line in the Sand, a nonconformist ministries conference bringing clarity, courage,

and conviction to the issues most threatening the church today.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Andy Woodard.

Thanks, Chris, for having me.

I'm glad to be here.

And tell our listeners about Providence Baptist Church.

So PBC is...

Our church went through some difficulties during the COVID season, as many did,

and that led to restarting the church.

And so what we did...

I formerly was pastoring New Covenant Church, and one of the

things that we did to help bring stability to the church was

adopting the 1689, clarity

to the congregation.

About 20 people, and now there's 60 to 80 or so on a normal Sunday.

Well, praise God.

Tell us about nonconformist ministries, that is, the actual ministry

producing or creating the conference.

Yeah, so nonconformist entity,

it's Zone 50133 and

Grace to You, or Ligonier and Orlando,

connected with our

Sunday

service.

So if that means in a future conference,

all kinds of things, whether it's anything that's

beyond the scope of the normal...

Well, why don't you define nonconformist for our listeners who may not be familiar with church

history, especially in regard to the Church of England and the Puritans and so on.

So why don't you describe or define nonconformist for us.

Yeah, so thanks for...

So nonconformists were in England in the

15th, 16th, 1700s, even through to today.

But a nonconformist was someone who believed that Jesus was head of the church, not the king or queen of

England.

And so as a result of that, the Church of

England and the Anglican system, there's

been all kinds of...

There was, like, the Act of Uniformity, where, too,

that could be wrong.

And if you didn't use the Book of Common Prayer for your church's liturgy, then that was in violation

of the law.

Events like the Great Ejection.

No, the Great Ejection was in 1662.

That was when over 2 ,000 nonconformist ministers were kicked out of their churches and kicked out of

their homes, because many of them lived in the parsonages of churches.

These were men like John Bunyan, and I believe

Matthew Henry was a nonconformist

before there.

Knowing that there were things that I'm burdened to do for the sake of the Gospel, the scope

of the ordinary Sunday service,

I prefer a name

for conformists.

And then in my visits to London and went to the Met,

they're still using that term, nonconformist, and I think that that's a good thing.

Very much a spirit of conformity to the spirit of the age,

and

even that itself is a dividing line, or it's a lining of sand.

It's something that says the name,

nonconformist.

Yeah, I was actually surprised watching a documentary on Charles Spurgeon recently.

I already knew that he had no formal education, which is quite amazing

when you read his writings.

He was obviously quite a brilliant man, even pastoring when he was

16 years old.

But during the documentary, I was quite surprised that the reason that he was

unable to attend seminary was at that time in the 19th century,

and I'm assuming prior, you could not attend seminary if you were not Anglican.

And so I was assuming that this documentary was correct in that information.

I was quite surprised by that.

Well, you have quite the lineup of speakers at this conference.

Looks like there's going to be almost as many speakers as people in attendance.

Wow.

Well, I don't mean to say that you're going to be poorly attended.

I was actually inflating the number of speakers.

No, I was going to make that joke myself, but you beat me to it.

Well, the lineup includes my longtime friend, Mike O 'Fallon,

founder of Sovereign Alliance.

Also on the lineup is Josh Bice, who is not only

pastor of Praise Mill Baptist Church in Douglasville, Georgia, but he is also

the founder of G3 Ministries.

Virgil Walker, who is half of the

podcast host Just Thinking, along with

Darrell Bernard Harrison, and he is also, on top of that, the executive director of

operations for G3 Ministries.

Darrell Bernard Harrison,.

Who is the dean of social media at John MacArthur's ministry, grace to you.

And you, Andy Woodard, pastor of Providence Baptist Church of New York City.

Andy, in the photographs that you've provided on the website, I do not recognize the other three brethren on

the roster, so perhaps you could tell us about them.

Yes, we have, on that website, ncc .nyc .org conference,

we've got Mike O 'Fallon, and next to him is Mike Abendroff.

Mike Abendroff is...

Oh, yeah, I've interviewed him.

Yeah, he's up in the Boston area, Massachusetts.

We met through PMS.

He was one of the adjunct professors in my doctoral program, and he and I really hit it off, and

both being in the Northeast, we committed to keeping in touch, and

he has become a good friend and a close mentor going through the

difficulties last year with the church and then restarting.

Underneath of Mike in this picture is John Benzinger.

John is one of my classmates from that PMS doctoral program.

He pastors a church out in Arizona in the Phoenix.

He's a real Redeemer, Redeemer Bible Church, and

you might be familiar with his

more famous...

...for a couple of years, and she just launched...

John is the senior pastor of Redeemer Bible Church.

They've gone through the past few years.

When we first met, his church would be 200 or 300 people,

and now, three years later, they've got, like, 1 ,500 people...

Wow.

...faculty members from PMS to come and teach,

training, like theological training.

They've really seen a tremendous move of the Spirit of God in their church.

So next to John Benzinger is a newer friend of mine named Ryan Helfenbein.

Ryan is the executive director of the Standing For Freedom Center at Liberty.

I met Ryan at...

Oh, yeah, he gave a speech.

He wasn't one of the speakers on the roster, but he gave a speech there, did he not?

Yeah.

Yeah, I wasn't in the room for that, but he did speak, and he and I were chatting right before it, and he

was like, Andy, what should I say to these people?

And I was like, I don't know.

We kind of talked through some ideas, but he's

an adamantly anti -woke guy.

He went to Southern Seminary, and so we kind of share that stuff in common of

being in that system but having the same convictions on issues related

to CRT.

Yes, I was actually quite embarrassed because when everybody was packing up

and breaking down their booths after the G3 conference was over, I was

greeting a woman who was

departing the conference hall, and

she was with...

His name just slipped my mind, the brother that he...

Oh, Ryan.

Yeah, she was...

Ryan Elton?

Yeah, she was standing next to him, and I looked at this woman and I said, where do I know you?

I know that I know you from somewhere.

Have I interviewed you?

I know there was something that causes me to recognize you, and she said, well, you've probably

seen me around, and then I realized somebody told me that's Jenna Ellis, one of Donald Trump's lawyers,

who I've seen on TV many, many times, and I just completely forgot who she was.

Yeah.

Yeah, so Ryan runs the Freedom Center down at Liberty,

and she invited me to speak at their recent conference,

Trump's lawyer.

Jenna also represented MacArthur against the state of California and

successfully defeated the state.

I mean, they won that lawsuit, and she was the attorney involved in that.

So speaking at that conference and talking about the Constitution

and freedom

and such.

So when Ryan invited me to speak at that, I invited him to speak at this

conference.

It's even more of an invite to say I'm here

and speak.

A message that's a bit like connecting the dots,

connecting the dots from, like, hey, here we are as Christians, conservative Christians,

to be engaged in the world in which we live in.

Drawing from the world and withdrawing

from the events,

thinking about those issues, come and speak.

Well, I want to repeat the website where people can find out more about this conference and how they can

register, ncc .nyc .com.

And I am so thankful to God that

you have founded this very important church in Manhattan, Providence

Baptist Church, because I get a number of people throughout

the years who have contacted me asking me for church

recommendations.

And now I know I can with confidence recommend Providence Baptist

Church in New York City, because I know that you are one of the few churches

that is a non -woke church.

Messiah's Reformed Fellowship is another one that I'm aware of.

But do you know of any other churches that are taking a

public stand where they're opposing all things under the woke umbrella?

Yeah, so I just met Paul Murphy finally after years of hearing his name.

We finally met a few weeks ago.

Now, willing to take a public stand on this, very,

very few.

My friend who I call my lawyer, even though I don't really have any

lawsuits going on, my lawyer is a Pentecostal pastor and a lawyer,

and he is very conservative and very anti -woke and publicly anti -woke.

Now, he and I are not, you know, we don't have the same confession of faith as far

as, you know, proper C, proper F, capital C, you know.

He's an anti -woke guy, and he

will preach about it, courageous on these issues.

I'm thankful for what he's doing on that

side of the circles that I, you know, would not

be in.

I'm not involved in, you know, the Assemblies of God or even

like the Hillsong Network and such.

But he knows those guys, and he's talking to them.

He's rebuking them.

He's confronting them, and so I'm very thankful for him.

He and I kind of made a little pact, which was, he said, all right, Andy, you go after the Christian and the

Baptist world, and I'll go after the non -denom and the charismatic world.

And I was like, all right, sounds good, let's do it.

So he's actually one of my board members for Nonconformist Ministries.

It's a busy job.

We're tiny, brand new.

He helps me stay out of jail, and I just talk to him about,

like, who the speech laws are and what can I say,

how should we deal with things that are related to legal issues.

And let me also give our listeners your church website for Providence

Baptist Church in New York City.

It's pbc, for Providence Baptist Church, .nyc, pbc

.nyc.

And many of my listeners, if they are intending to register for this conference,

will be delighted to hear that there are no mask requirements.

Correct.

That's good to know.

And, well, we know now the speakers of the conference, and I gave

a very summarized description of the theme of

the conference, A Line in the Sand, Bringing Clarity, Courage, and Conviction to the Issues Most

Threatening the Church Today.

But why don't you be more specific about some of the messages that we'll be hearing as far as the themes

go.

Yeah.

Michael Fallon is, we asked him to speak Friday night, but I think

he might have to speak Saturday based on flight schedules and such.

But he's going to be giving us his best diagnosis.

He's going to give us a diagnosis saying, hey, here's where we're at.

He has these podcasts that he produces on an almost daily basis, and

he's the best guy I know to handle on

what is going on in the world.

He'll talk to me and tell me about a certain thing before it happens and then it happens, and then I

chat with him, and I'm like, yep, you were right again.

Yeah, there are very few people out there that James White describes in the same way.

Yeah.

James White has been very good and right on the money predicting a lot of things, but Michael Fallon has

told him things years ago that he was probably pessimistic

or somewhat doubtful would actually occur, and then all of a sudden Michael proved himself to be

absolutely correct.

Yeah.

Now, being my usual blunt here,

I'm glad to have all of the speakers, but if there was only one speaker I could have, it would be Michael Fallon.

He's like my number one draft pick that I wanted to have come at this.

So he, I don't know if you know this, but he actually helped James White start

Alpha Omega Ministries, and he's on James' board.

He's on the G3 board.

He's not on the board at all.

Yeah.

Yeah, if you Google it, you can find, I think James White has a blog article that explains

how Mike had invited him to come speak at a 20 -plus years ago and

do some kind of conference or debate or something, and then in order to like

fundraise or pay for the event, they put on, Mike put on like a cruise and had James speak

on that as well, and that was kind of the beginning of Alpha Omega Ministries.

They go way back.

So that's Mike.

Mike's going to give us a diagnosis of what's going on, kind of

using the law gospel paradigm from Reformed theology.

Mike is bringing the law.

He's saying, hey, this is the bad that's happening in our world, and you need to really

understand it.

In fact, let's pick up where you left off with the other themes and speakers'

messages right after the first break because we have to go to our first break right now.

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If you just tuned in to our guest today for the full two hours, Pastor Andy Woodard,

a very good friend of mine, and I'm so delighted that he is

there in the front lines, as it were.

In the most liberal, leftist, crazy

area in the world,

the line, telling the line of Biblical truth there.

One of the very few pastors and churches there in

Manhattan standing for

the talk of that conference that he is hosting next weekend.

That's the 10th through the 12th of December.

On the theme, A Line in the Sand, a nonconformist ministries conference bringing clarity, courage, and conviction to the issues

most threatening the church today.

And Pastor Andy, right before the break, we were just, or you were just

wrapping up, describing what our mutual friend Michael Fallon is going to be speaking on

at this conference.

He is one of eight speakers at the conference.

Why don't you continue with some of the other themes?

Yeah, next one there pictured is Mike Ebendrop.

He's, Lord willing, going to be speaking two times, and his first message will be

more of similar themes to what Michael Fallon is talking about with

diagnosis and, hey, here's where things are at, here's some bad news.

He's more than likely going to be approaching it from a heavily theological perspective.

And then he's going to do a second message on Christ, Christology, and

Jesus as our solution, as our hope and confidence.

And when are those messages going to be delivered?

So, Mike Ebendrop is, Lord willing, the schedule is in a bit of flux.

He's speaking on Friday night and on Saturday, probably Saturday

late morning, maybe 10, 10 or 11 a .m. on Saturday

morning as well.

And then, because he has

to head back to staying the full weekend, he's just speaking

Friday night and Saturday and heading home.

Then after that, we've got Josh Bice.

Josh is speaking on Sunday morning for the main Sunday service at PBC.

And he is going to be speaking on ecclesiology.

In 1

Timothy 4, the

church can no longer be trusted.

What does that mean?

He's going to speak a message that hopefully will be encouraged,

that they would be faithful in the local church.

And if anybody listening has not heard Josh Bice, he alone would be a reason to go to this

conference, because he is an absolutely extraordinary and powerful preacher.

I was thinking, as you were speaking before the break, that any one of these speakers

by themselves could be the key speaker in a mini

conference.

Definitely.

And just how blessed we are to have a bunch of them all together.

The part of the reasoning for doing this with all these guys

together is for them to have a chance to be together, to hang out together, to speak together, and encourage one another.

Even draft to get to know them and for the others to get to know him, because he's off.

I'm looking forward to meeting Mike, because I've interviewed him a number of times, but I've never met him.

That's why his photograph was unfamiliar to me.

And so I'm glad to meet him finally face -to -face.

He is a great guy.

Not only is he also brilliant and an excellent guest on this program, but he's

also got an absolutely hilarious sense of humor.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Honestly, all these guys are

speaking Sunday morning for the main service.

Virgil is going to speak during the Sunday school hour, so at 930 Sunday morning, and

he's going to speak about fear.

Not be afraid in this moment that we find ourselves.

So that will be an adaptation of one of their podcast episodes called Do Not Be Afraid.

I wanted him to deliver that message.

And whoever else, two messages Sunday morning at

930 and then 1030, which is when we would normally do Sunday school and then the main service.

Darrell is going to be speaking either on Friday night or on Saturday, depending on the

schedule and some of the other,

mainly that Mike, depends on when Mike is able to get in.

But Darrell is going to

speak, and the connection to

New York City, the

ideas, the

Frankfurt School in Germany to

Columbia University here in New York.

That's one major point.

Another major point is Black

liberation

theology

propagated

on that topic.

And then

John Benzinger, that's what he does all the time.

He says at the end of his podcast, he'll say things like, hey, we must win.

There's no losing this.

What happens if we don't win?

I'm not a post -millennialist, and I don't think the world is getting more and more Christianized.

And so if we stop

this agenda that is obstructing Western

civilization and really turning the world into a great reset

utopia that's

in the face of, like, what's going to

happen in our world if we don't stop this?

And what is our call going to look like as Christians?

Freedom and prosperity that we have known for a couple hundred years here

in the U .S.

And then to

be an American,

Christian,

and as an American.

Not to withdraw from the culture

and say,

hey, anything that

Christian nationalism, they call that.

Particularly if we're going to make, like, a state

church and send all of the Pentecost, we're trying

to religion yet.

I'm looking forward to hearing what he has to say, because I'm not quite sure what he's going to say.

It'll be good.

Now, if you look on this website with the bottom of the

page, Friday night, Saturday, and Sunday schedule, they're listed with

sessions one through six.

And we've got congregations, and then a panel design

that, after you moderate,

a few people who just spoke.

Friday night, if we're able to have Michael Fallon speak on Friday night and Mike Avendross, then we

might hand Virgil Walker a microphone and say, hey, we're going to lead a conversation between those two guys.

We'll do that type of thing after each session.

They have done at conferences like P4G, where there's

a lot of

looking forward to.

Because sometimes conference speakers will say things that another speaker doesn't completely agree

with.

And I'd love to have just

said, and all popping into your mind.

As far as any negative feedback, I remember when you and I would

attend the annual foundations conference, the sermon audio

conference.

They had some threats.

I don't know how severe they were, but there were some kind of threats from especially the

homosexual community about the conferences that were being held in Manhattan.

Has anything erupted like that yet for the conference that you're hosting?

We have not had any issues like that.

Now, because of that issue, because I was involved in the foundations conference, I believe all

three times that they did that here.

I remember that.

They had a lot.

They would go and harass.

You've got these homophobic Christians staying in your hotel, and you need to

cancel their reservation.

On the website for the

designated hotel.

And so because of that, they didn't even bother.

It's also been

easier in the sense

that nobody knows which hotel.

If anybody has any questions, we're going to be going to our midway break right now.

The midway break, as most of you know, especially if you listen regularly, is a bit longer

than the other breaks, because Grace Life Radio, 90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida, requires of

us a longer break in the middle of the show, because they are required by the FCC

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Before I return to my guest today, Andy Woodard of Providence Baptist Church of New York City,

and our discussion on the upcoming conference that he is having next weekend

at Providence Baptist Church, we just have some important announcements to make.

First of all, I really hope that you do attend

this conference that I am going to be attending, God willing, in Manhattan.

Let me take this time to also repeat the information that we have been providing throughout the interview.

But this conference is being held from the 10th through the 12th of December at

Providence Baptist Church in Manhattan, and there are eight speakers at this conference,

and all of these speakers are quite impressive, quite powerful.

I have heard the majority of these men speak publicly, and the majority of them have

been guests on my program.

In fact, only two have not yet been on the program, and I intend to change that very

soon, God willing.

But for more details, go to ncc .nyc forward slash conference,

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And I hope to see you there.

Please look for me if you attend and ask somebody to point me out

to you if you've never seen my photograph or never met me before.

And I would love to greet as many of you as possible who register for this conference.

I'm looking forward to be there with bated breath.

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That's also the email address where you could send in a question for our guest Andy Woodard.

That's chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

As always, give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live

outside of the USA.

Pastor Andy, tell us about some of these crucial issues,

the main issues that pose the greatest threat to the church today

that you believe we must take more of an aggressive stand

in regard to these threats than most churches perhaps are doing.

Yeah, I'll pull up my ad that I made for this.

One is the,

and

if

the church is

still Christ -commanded,

and

it

basically

says,

and that's

created

in Christ,

we ratify it

to think

about

our

circumstances.

He's

going to talk about that at the conference,

that

biblical movement.

Disconnected.

There, there was violence.

Yeah, no, no.

Critical race theory.

He meant that CRT doesn't exist because it's not being

taught.

In Denton, Texas, when I was manning an exhibitor's booth

for Iron Trump and Zion Radio, this young man approached the booth and said that he

was a member of a church in Mechanicsburg, which is the neighboring town to Carlisle where

I live, and there's a very prominent so -called conservative

evangelical congregation there, and the wives of one of the elders is teaching

Whiteness 101.

So it's just amazing where this rears its ugly head, this stuff.

It's just amazing.

Yeah,

from their jobs, from not getting vaccinated enough,

dozens and dozens of people

signed

their

religious destiny

mission

and

signing

the

offensive,

and they

just

shouldn't culture

anything bad and everything else.

So that's a

big problem as well, and that's in every circle,

whether that's, like, the

TMS circle, some of my classmates at TMS,

you should not be standing up against these

types

of things.

Yeah, that's really frightening stuff.

You know, you expect it from mainline dead liberal leftist apostate groups,

but when it's rising up amongst our fellow conservative Reformed brethren,

even concessionally Reformed, it's just amazing.

You already addressed this question, but obviously this person tuned in late,

and for the sake of others who tuned in late, he didn't provide us with his city and state residence,

as I've been requesting, but Jake asks, are you having

the conference in the Rock Church building, and is there

a mask or vaccine requirement for seats?

The second one is the issue that we already addressed, but you could answer both of them.

Yes, so that is the location, yes,

and if your name's not on the sheet,

they're wanting to deduce that there will be.

Okay,

we have Mike from

Monroe, New York.

Mike says,.

We talk about CRT cultural Marxism,.

And yet I don't hear anyone calling out.

The Gospel Coalition.

Tim Keller, John Piper, Al Mohler, Ligon Duncan, the BTN of Wiley, to name a few,

along with a host of others associated with the Gospel Coalition, will work with and will

share the stage with all sorts of Christian socialists and outright Marxists,

even pro -LGBTQ proponents.

Satan's children who operate in this circle, like liberation theology connoisseur,

Mississippi Democrat and social advocate, John Perkins, someone who has received

accolades from John MacArthur and Al Mohler, seems to get a pass on their unholy alliances

with such devious and unsaved men.

The witness against those named above is undeniable if you take the time to look and listen to

what they say.

Piper's relationship with Rick Warren is one outstanding example of such infidelity.

The biblical doctrine of having no fellowship with the works of darkness apparently has no impact

with these compromisers, and in my opinion, coward.

Tim Keller being the most egregious example of a reformed Christian socialist.

His words and writings clearly expose him for what he truly is.

Wokeness has come to reform Christianity, whether one is willing to admit it or not.

Would our brother see these men as I do, and if so, is he as troubled as I am

about their wicked influence?

A lot.

So, do you agree with that assessment?

Yeah, does it trouble you as much as it troubles him?

Now, tell

us more

about

this

phenomenon.

New York was critical of one of my greatest living heroes, John

McArthur, saying that he has poured accolades on

individuals.

Now, I don't know what the timing of that was.

I had leaders in the woke movement on my show, and that was nine years

ago, when they were saying 180 degree different things than they're saying now.

And that would include Sabiti and Yagwile.

And by the way, Sabiti's book, The Decline of African American Theology, is excellent,

but he is now really saying 180 degree different things than he

wrote in that book.

And to my knowledge, I don't know if you have heard anything, I've never heard Sabiti say, yes, I wrote that, I used

to believe these things, but I recant that, I repent.

I've never heard him say anything like that.

But it's as if these folks, some of them anyway,

are pretending that they always had these woke views.

But what about this person, John Perkins, and the accolades, from somebody that

I'm sure you and I both admire greatly, John McArthur?

Yeah, so I

have, he pulled

his name out

and said, oh yeah, I marched with John Perkins back in the day.

And is that,

and is

trying

John

Perkins, or what do I think about McArthur,

and he did that to recognize that McArthur.

I think that

we just have to

be very

careful.

You know, somebody could say Chris Arnzen must be woke because he has had Sabiti

Anyabwile and Anthony Bradley on his program and has promoted their books.

But that was nine years ago.

Yeah.

So we have to be very careful.

And in fact, I'd like to have them on anyway today, but to have more of a debate format with them, I don't

think that they would ever do that.

Not that I want some kind of ugly shouting match or anything,

as entertaining as those sometimes are.

Anyway, well, thank you, Mike, for sending in your question.

We have to go to our final break right now, and if anybody wants to get their question right on the air, I

advise you to send it in immediately because we're rapidly running out of time.

ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

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Give us your first name at least.

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This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned in to send your guests for the entire program, here's Ben.

Pastor Ann Dean Woodard of Providence Baptist Church in Manhattan.

We have been discussing the upcoming conference next weekend, in fact.

A Line in the Sand, bringing clarity, courage, and conviction to the issues most threatening the church today.

If you have a question, send it in immediately because we're running out of time before you know it.

ChrisArnzen .com is the first name that means sand state.

In a country of residents, unless for some reason you are compelled to remain anonymous, and we have an anonymous

listener who asks,.

I used to love visiting Manhattan, but now I have been told by friends

that this has become a very dangerous place to visit, like it was in

the 1970s especially.

Is this true in your opinion?

Should I fear that I'm risking my life by attending the Line in the Sand conference?

You know, that is an interesting question.

I used to love going to Manhattan.

In fact, it was a favorite place that my late wife and I would

visit.

So many wonderful memories of Broadway shows and restaurants.

I have a ton of memories of shows from New York City.

And that was all before Mayor de Blasio turned this

into a much more dangerous place.

So what's your opinion about what the anonymous listener said?

In general, crime rates have gone up.

One of the most dangerous in the city, when

someone else on the train

confronted him and then he stopped.

Sounds like just having a bad day.

Yeah.

Just kidding, folks.

Yeah.

Now our conference is in the Upper East Side, and the Upper East Side is a very, very safe

haven in Manhattan.

You're definitely not really insignificant by

coming, unlike a lot of

strangers.

And don't get into any unmarked vans, no strangers,

risking.

That's faster.

You're not risking your life.

I used to be able to very confidently tell that to people, because

people who had never been to Manhattan have all kinds of crazy notions in their head, largely

because of movies and things.

And I used to be able to tell them with confidence before de Blasio got in there that it was one of the safest places in America,

especially since after 9 -11 you saw military walking around, armed military walking

around.

But like I said, I haven't been there since de Blasio won the election.

But I'm very, very happy to hear your added

words of confidence to visit Manhattan, especially for this conference.

Well, I want you to just summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today before we

go off the air.

Yeah, so if you're able, I

encourage you to come to the conference.

You can register online at ncc .nyc .com.

That's ncc as in non -conformist conference.

Ncc .nyc

.com is your coupon code to register.

We want to see people come.

If you're not able to come but you're interested in this whole thing, just wait and we'll have the content up on

YouTube, and the weeks are

definitely going to make

this thing happen.

Ncc .nyc .com.

And also don't forget about the website for Providence Baptist Church

of New York City.

It's pbc .nyc.

Pbc, for Providence Baptist Church, .nyc.

We have enough time for one more question.

This question is also anonymous.

Why is it that Reformed ministries and churches all over the world

do not seem to find New York City to be a top priority as far as

sending out missionaries and planting churches?

It's very frustrating to learn that there are very few biblically solid

confessional Reformed churches in Manhattan.

Why on earth is this the case?

It's a naive view

in color, and

they think it is evangelicalism.

They think that there is a need in the same way that they think

and Minneapolis needs to

send missionaries there to church in New York.

Because of that, there are many Reformed concerns.

Instead of denying there is a need.

One more time, let me repeat the website for this conference, ncc .nyc.

That's ncc .nyc .com.

I want to thank you so much, Pastor Andy, for being my guest today.

I am eagerly looking forward with great enthusiasm to see you once again in Manhattan next weekend,

Gabrielle, as I attend this conference.

I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who took the time to write.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you

or us here.