Christian Repsonse to Israel and Open Q&A

Apologetics Live Opens With Chris and Drew Filling In

This is Apologetics Live. To answer your questions, your host, from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rappaport.

If only, right? If only it was Andrew Rappaport. But it's not. You know why? Because we're taking over again. We are. We've done more Apologetics Live than Matter of Theology episode. That's pretty funny how that works out.

Chris, how are you doing? You sound a little under the weather.

I am a little under the weather. This is about the volume that I can get. But my register right now, man, I could sing some good bass right now.

You're tapping into the deep radio voice. The late night DJ that plays all the soft ballad songs.

Oh yeah, y 'all. We could do that.

That's right. But welcome to Apologetics Live. It's Chris and Drew. Andrew is not going to be here tonight, obviously. That's why we're here. Of course, you never know. He may pop in, Andrew, fashion the way he does.

But this is supposed to be the last time he's away for a while. Next week he should be back, and he should be back for a while. But Apologetics Live is a podcast ministry by Striving for Eternity. If you want to be a part of the show, go to ApologeticsLive .com, click on the duck, and then make sure your audio is working, and then we'll bring you in.

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That way we can bring you on. So anyway, trying to decide a topic for tonight. There's a lot to talk about, man. Tonight's topic is a lot to talk about, but it was like, what are we going to talk about?

Because we've talked about cessationism. We had Justin Peters on to talk about cessationism. We've talked a lot about Calvinism. And usually those are the two things that people get really up in arms about.

And so it was like, well, what exactly do we want to talk about tonight? And so in talking to you and trying to come up with a topic for tonight, you were like, well, hey, maybe we just do open Q &A. Why don't we just have open Q &A?

And I was like, that's a great idea. We haven't done an open Q &A in a while. And it was almost a weekly thing, the open Q &As, when we were coming on to joint host this. But then you also said, what about the Christians' response to what's going on in Israel?

Because that's huge, right? It started, what, two weeks ago?

Yeah, it'll be two weeks on Saturday.

Two weeks ago. And it's still going on. And it's just devastating what's going on over there. It's escalating too. Devastating. It's escalating. And so how should we as Christians respond? Because one of the things that we see is no offense to my dispensationalist brothers and sisters.

And I'm not saying this is you because I think the dispensationalists you and I know, like Andrew and Jim and Justin, they don't go to this extreme by saying, hold on, Jesus is coming back at any moment.

Tomorrow or things like that. They kind of understand. Which I'd be all for that. Sure, yeah. I'm not, you know. Right, right. But this isn't the left behind series, right? Where is it? You know, Andrew, Jim and stuff, they can actually make the distinction between fiction and then what Scripture says from the dispensational view.

I know, I know. It's crazy. Speaking of how dare you, a couple of things. Yes, yes. Not to cut you off. I wanted to highlight a couple of things. Okay. Jason Cave said something there in his comment about the Braves.

Let me bring that up. Yeah, man. Put that up. Jason Cave. What's up, brother? He's a fellow Atlanta boy. And so he said, heart hurts for the Braves, but how about them dogs? So let's talk about that. This is open Q &A.

It's not really a question. But for those of you baseball fans out there, like Drew and our Braves fans through and through, I can't stand the Phillies. I'll never say I hate them because I shouldn't hate anybody.

But they're playing lights out baseball right now. Right. And the Braves just got cold at the wrong time. And I still believe they're the best team in baseball for the year, regardless of who wins the series.

Right. But they've also unpopular opinion for Atlanta people. I can't stand Ronald Acuna. I don't deny the boy's talent. He's a stupid, talented ballplayer. 40 -70 club. Never been done. But he's all about the individual.

And he needs to make sure that he's thinking of himself as one ninth of an equation meant to win a ball game every game.

If he played on any team that I was on, the coach would not have put up with his antics in the way he has. He would have sat until he understood and had the right mindset. And then he would go back. But here's another thing, another unpopular opinion.

For Braves fans. People hate Bryce Harper. They strongly dislike Bryce Harper. Now here's my thing. I'm not a fan of Bryce Harper's attitude and his antics and stuff. I'm not a fan of that. But when the guy is on the field, he is hard-nosed.

He reminds me of Pete Rose. He's a hard-nosed player the way Pete Rose used to be. And no one plays like that. Here's who he reminds me of.

Chipper Jones. I got this book. It's my time of the year to read something. Just one book. I got it yesterday and that's how far I am. Jason Cave just said it. His discipline. So here's the thing about Bryce.

I had a friend of mine years ago that I worked out with. And he was a minor league baseball coach. And he coached Bryce and actually had one of his jerseys. Got Bryce to sign it and gave it to me. So I have it in this closet right here.

Again, you can't deny the man's talent and consistency. But yeah, he's pretty intense.

Yeah, and Melissa. Last thing we'll probably say along the lines of sports. Melissa Owens says, I'm just shocked that the Lions, the Detroit Lions, are finally doing well. I'm finally not ashamed to admit they're my team.

And that's the thing. The Lions, since Barry Sanders retired. Even when Barry Sanders played for them, they still weren't that good. But hey, at least you could say you had Barry Sanders, right?

Yeah, it's like the Dolphins with Dan Marino. With Dan Marino, right.

But the Lions are doing very well. They're doing very well. Even the Cleveland Browns. The last couple of years, the Cleveland Browns have done good. But the sad thing, Jason Cave mentioned the dogs. Nick Chubb, their running back, former UGA Bulldog, injured.

And it's tough because when he was in college, he got over a really, really bad injury in order to be one of the top running backs in the NCAA. Did very well when he got playing time in the NFL. He's the reason that I believe that the Cleveland Browns started winning a couple years ago.

And now he's hurt, and it's tough to see. One, because a team like Cleveland, who you kind of want to go, okay, come on, let's do better. And then Nick Chubb gets hurt, Georgia boy, and you're like, oh, you wanted so much.

But we have a guest in the back. Oh, send it, cool. Mr. A .M. Brewster. Oh, okay.

Before you say anything, Aaron, I got to commend you for what you did last week, man. Thank you. No, man, just the way you engaged that guy and with gentleness in the way that you were saying things, but the way that you were explaining, the way that 1 Corinthians 6 and Romans 1, how that related together, the plea for repentance.

And so, bro, I appreciate that, man. That's why I put what I did in the chat. I was listening. I was like, listen, everybody needs to listen to this right now. I really, really appreciate that.

That was very kind of you. Praise God that the answers are there. The truth is there. Real quick, so I'm not a sports guy. I'll just throw that out there right off the bat so no one gets the wrong impression.

But I lived in the outside of Detroit for a long time. The Lions were never, ever anything worth being proud of. And now they go and do this to me. And I think it's very unfair. And I just want to put that out there.

You're going to stink, stink for everybody. Stink unilaterally. Be consistent. Exactly, because it's not fair. Now, I did find out, though, that I am a hockey good luck charm. So when I lived in Detroit, the Red Wings, Stanley Cups, all the time.

When I moved to Illinois, Blackhawks, Stanley Cups, boom, boom, started knocking them down. But then I moved to Wisconsin, and then I moved to North Carolina, and neither of them had hockey teams. And I was like, oh, it's a wasted good luck charm.

But anyway, I'm just kind of pulling an Andrew tonight. The past, I don't know, past few weeks and whatever, Andrew's been kind of like popping in for like 30 seconds right before a flight or something like that and being like, hey, hi, guys.

And I'm kind of doing the same thing. And, Andrew, check this out. I'm in Tennessee right now. Nice. So I have another new location for being on Apologetics Live. I'm just going to collect them all.

You're going every state, every place you can go to come into Apologetics Live.

I'm going someplace just so I can be someplace different on Thursday.

Right. But I am glad you're here, even if it's for a short time, because when we came up with this topic, I was initially going to text you. And then Andrew said, hey, I talked to Aaron, and he's going to be on.

And I said, great. I meant to text him, and I'm glad that you did because of, you know, kind of the topic, aside from the open Q &A, I thought would be perfect to have kind of your perspective and how you're viewing things from a biblical counseling mindset.

I just thought that would be super, super helpful.

I am happy to hang out for as long as I can. My schedule is kind of not my own, as you can tell. I am driving at the moment, so I don't even know. Am I allowed to be on a talk show while I'm driving? Is that legal?

I'm not sure. Maybe the laws are okay in Tennessee. I think you can.

You just can't hold the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not holding the phone. I need to hold the wheel, too. That's right. You've got your hands-free device in your ear, so you're good. Yes, I do. I am all set.

And this lets ambient noise come in, too. But, yeah, no, I'm good to talk about whatever we got for as long as I can. Then when I need to go, I'll go, and I'll leave the rest of the conversation up to you guys.

Yeah, yeah, that sounds perfect.

So we got our sports out of the way, right?

Good, good. I thought I missed that. Dodge the board.

But for any of the listeners who are tuning in, if you have any questions, your questions don't necessarily have to pertain to what's going on in Israel. They can just be general theology questions. It doesn't have to be related to the other topic.

But let's just go ahead and dive right into it while we have time with you. When everything started going on, right, we had Hamas attacking Israel at this music festival that was I think the festival was actually in Gaza, but a lot of Israelis were present there, and Hamas came and attacked, killed, kidnapped.

At first, when everything started going on, everyone's reaction, I think, was kind of shock, awe, panic. What were your thoughts when everything started happening?

I am what they call an optimistic realist. I am optimistic because I know God, and I'm realistic because I know man. Right. And from the time that Abraham made that very bad choice that he did to try to have a seed through his handmaiden, his wife's handmaiden, God prophesied that there was going to be familial tension, that this was going to be a big deal.

Yep. Genesis 16. Yep. From my perspective, when stuff like this happens, I am not surprised. Nope. I'm not surprised in the slightest. Because of that, I'm not surprised in the slightest because to a certain degree, I've studied the Qur 'an.

Qur 'an, however you want to pronounce it. I've lived in highly in areas that have that are highly Muslim, and I've known people and had lots of conversations and discussions with them on these topics and things like that.

And so there's absolutely nothing about this that surprises me. In fact, I guess maybe if I were to be surprised, I might think something like I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner or I'm surprised they didn't do more, that type of a thing.

Yeah. I agree with you, Aaron. And I obviously came back right in the middle of that. But no, we shouldn't be surprised at that. We shouldn't be surprised at anything like this, especially there. And I was listening to today one of my favorite fiction authors is Jack Carr, former Navy SEAL.

He's the best-selling author of the Terminalist series and fantastic fiction books to read, by the way. Just a lot of fun for guys, action involved. But he interviewed a couple days ago I haven't listened to the whole thing, but a former IDF soldier who served in the Army there.

It's required that you serve a minimum of three years. Right. Yeah, and I love that personally. I personally think that's fantastic.

To be Jewish, you have to do that to survive. I mean, that's one of the big motivating factors.

Right. But this guy is now a journalist, and he's been a journalist for 17 years, I think it was, and he very quickly he thought he took a lot of time, but he really didn't. He very quickly walked through the history, the recorded history of the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

I mean, hundreds of years ago. Obviously, we know that this goes all the way back to, like we were just saying, Genesis 16. So we shouldn't be surprised by this. And I think from a practical standpoint, Ben Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew, he's had John MacArthur and Thody Backham on his show.

They both shared the gospel with him. I love the way MacArthur did it through Isaiah 53. And just fantastic. But he did a great show days after the attack, and he said, I'm going to make you look. Nobody is going to want to see this, but you need to see this.

You need to see what they've done. And one of the things he said that I think is something that we sometimes are shielded from in Western society is we don't see evil past the veneer of civilization. And we have to understand that one of the effects and one of the infections of sin in our world is the evil that we're seeing play out overseas right now, those horrific images.

And if you can't stomach it and you don't want to look at it, don't. I'm not saying you have to, but one of the things that Ben Shapiro was saying that I agree with, he's like, don't look away. Like I'm going to make you look at this because this is the truth.

This is the truth of the world we live in. And we shouldn't be surprised by that. We shouldn't be surprised as scripture is replete with warnings about men proceeding from bad to worse. The murders and the horrific joy that was seen in some of these Hamas soldiers and what they were doing to men, women, children, the elderly, when they attacked a couple weeks ago.

So we shouldn't be shocked by it. You're absolutely right. We shouldn't be surprised by it. Well, shock maybe is the, yeah, shocked, but not surprised by it. And so it's interesting things. It's an interesting thing to watch.

I've got a friend of mine. She's Orthodox. She's not Orthodox Jew. She's a Christian. She believes in the life, death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. And she and her husband have been following this closely because she's Israeli.

She's from an ethnicity standpoint, 100 Jewish in that way. And she's got friends and she's got family over there. And so one of the first things that I wanted to talk about tonight with this is we have to be discerning.

We've got to have our eyes open and we have to, this is one of those situations that with this scenario, we need to be very quick to listen and very slow to speak. Prime example, just happened a couple days ago, right?

You get two days ago, you get reports of all of a sudden the Twitter blows up. And by the way, let me just say this. Twitter has actually been a good source of information for this. Since Elon Musk has taken over and it's now X, I call it Twix.

It's actually been pretty refreshing, I'll say that. It has, man.

It has. And he's an advocate for free speech truly. And they're still working some things out and still trying to make sure that the platform is being used for that. But the quickness, one of the downfalls is the quickness with which the information comes forth.

I mean, it's immediate. And so two days ago, you've got multiple sources reporting that Israel has just bombed, carpet bombed with a 2 ,000 pound JDAM, a hospital that 500 to a thousand people were dead and Israel did it in Gaza.

And, you know, and then the mainstream media runs with it and media all over the world runs with it without verifying it. And then all of a sudden you've got attacks at Israeli embassies in Turkey, Lebanon.

You've got U .S. embassies that are being attacked just today, by the way, within the last three hours, four of our embassies have been attacked too, but in one airbase in Iraq, all over the Middle East.

And all of this really kicked off because the media ran with this report that Israel bombed a hospital. We'll come to find out when Hamas fires 150 rockets, 30 to 40 of those rockets misfire. And so one of them misfired and hit the parking lot of the hospital where roughly 50 people died.

And that's still awful, but it's not a thousand. And it was Hamas who did it, not Israel. So there's one example of you just, you've got to keep your eyes open and you've got to be discerning. So go ahead, Aaron.

Well, I'm just going to say from a practical standpoint, like, you know, what is one of my big takeaways from this whole thing? And by the way, everything you said was a hundred percent right. We've got to exercise Christian discipline.

We've got to, if we're going to speak truth and love, we need to make sure that we're speaking truth. And that's, that's hard in this day and age. But here's one of the things that I come back to a lot as I'm talking with people and as I'm parenting, and as I'm just looking at my own life, it is so easy to look at what Hamas is doing right now.

And to, and believe it or not, a lot of people are not recognizing the reprehensible wickedness of it all. There are people out there trying to justify it. And then we see Hamas, we see the people trying to justify them.

And we're like, those people are so wicked. They're evil. They're deluded. They're all of this. And we're right. They are. But the moment we think that we, aside from the grace of God, whether common or specific in salvation, that we are any different.

Yeah. We are just as deluded because we have that. We looked on our nose. We're up on our pedestal. I would never do that. I would, whatever. But the reality is, and everyone, please, I'm not going to be able to be here for too much longer.

I'm going to go here in a minute, but just everyone hear this, the exact same motivations, the exact same roots of the atrocities in the middle East, spiritual roots of that are exactly what motivate my sinful choices.

Amen. Yes, sir. And when we look at sin as a sin and righteousness, as we are righteous and they're sinful, we're holy and they're wicked. When we look at our, say our sin and make excuses for it. We are just as delusional, just as crazy, just as insane as as the people doing those awful things, because it just shows that we don't understand really how bad sin really is.

Now that's common. Grace keeps us even unsaved people from being as bad as they can be. Praise God for that. And then God's, you know, God's specific saving grace and sanctifying grace in our lives. Obviously, I mean, anything bad in me is my fault.

Everything good to me is God. That's true for all of us. And that just, that humble state of mind where we sit back and we don't say evil is good. No, we say, no, it's terrible. It's bad in them. And it's just as bad in me.

And that being the motivation for my wanting to grow into conformity to Christ and being changed into his image. That's one of the big takeaways I have from something like this. And in my counseling is something that's really hard for people to see.

It's so easy to see my spouse or my kid's sin or my neighbor's sin, or that guy who cheated with my spouse's sin as being worse than mine. And the moment we do that, we're a big part of the problem.

That's Romans two, right? I mean, it's, it's totally, you know, at least, you know, at least I'm not like the people that God has given over to a depraved mind in Romans one, right. Instead of, instead of being thankful for the grace of God that you're not.

Yeah, man.

I might be able to reconnect later. I might not. I appreciate what you guys are doing tonight. I love the conversation. Glad I could stop it just for a few minutes and I will see you guys later.

Yeah. Yeah. We're glad you were able to stop by. Hopefully you can come back later, but if not have a good night, brother. See you later. Bye. You know, and you know, Aaron's absolutely right. The same sin that drives them is the same sin that, that fuels my sinful choices, right?

That's the depravity of man. That's the, that's the fall. And as Jason cave said, where did he say it? He said right here, it's the heart of man. That's it, bro. That's the heart of the natural man. And the thing is, is Aaron.

Aaron also said, we look at all these other people who do all these other sins and we say, well, I would never do that. Or I could never do that. Right. And we put ourselves on, on that pedestal.

Now like Republican, man, at least I'm not like that guy.

Yeah. But let's also think about it in a different way, because there are some people who desire these certain sins like murder. There's other people who don't desire the murderous sin, but they desire other sins, but not the one that says I'm going to take somebody else's life.

Right. We would call that the hand of restraint on us. And so, and that, that's actually a part of God's grace is that we are not as bad as we could be. If God were to release his hand of restraint, all chaos would break loose.

Yeah. Yeah. But in his grace and in his mercy, he has, he has restrained us. And especially those whom he calls to himself, he restrains them in such a way so that he continues to draw them in, changes their nature, changes their heart.

And then now what's our job to do? We are, he sends us out to go minister to those people who even the people, the people who are in sins that we would say are not that bad. Right. Those, those pet sins that even we love and to minister to those who have a.

Murderous heart. Yeah. Yeah. Sin is, how many times have you and I said, I'm at our theology. It's, it's, some have said that the smallest sin is, is, is enough to condemn you to hell, but it's, it's more than that.

It's the smallest desire to sin. Right. You think about where, where sin comes from. James tells us that it generates inside. It generates from the heart. Right. So, so everybody's so quick. Oh, Satan made me do it.

Well, no, no, you made you do it. And this is what John Owen talks about,.

About the indwelling sin. And he says once sin has gained control of the mind to where, not that you're, you're, you're actually living it out or you're doing it, but once the thought creeps into your mind, it's gained control of your heart.

Yeah. Yeah. So, so you've already, you have the desire to do it, even if you haven't committed it. Right. That's right. That's a problem. That's why we need to guard our minds and guard.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and speaking of that, man, I mean, something, something you mentioned a second ago, you said, you know, that as far as what we're seeing from Hamas and the, Ooh, the atrocities that they, I mean, think about what they did.

Okay. So let's talk about this. They, on one day, and this is something that now is being confirmed. Oh, which by the way, as of the recording of this episode of apologetics live, our president is having some kind of press conference.

So we'll see what's going to happen there. Yeah. Anyway.

I'm going to get derailed. Okay. Okay. Go. Cause I'm, I was going to talk about that, but please go.

No, I want to talk about that too. I do want to talk about that. So, but we have to understand this, that because this battle can find it, you can trace its roots back to Genesis 16. We understand that this is a spiritual battle.

This is something that has happened. This is something that will continue to happen. I know that right now, Israel's goal is to wipe Hamas off the map. And, and I gotta be honest, biblically there is warrant and support for that.

Sure. Absolutely. What we have to be careful of as believers is to, you know, if we're going to look at those images that Ben Shapiro puts up, if we're going to look at the images and the video that is all over Twitter and everywhere else right now, we have to, we have to filter our emotions through scripture.

We have to take a breath. We got to calm down because I'm one of those guys that, you know, I thought about being a cop for a long time. And one of the reasons that I didn't is because I don't know. And this is just me being honest and very transparent right now.

I don't know that I could roll up on a call. I mean, I think I could be a pro, right. But roll up on a call to see something happening to a woman or a child or something like that. And just not, let's say the taxpayer some money,.

You know what I mean? Like it's, it's, it's hard to have restraint.

Right. It's hard to, it's hard to exercise restraint and understand that that our justice system is flawed as it is, is still there under the, under the, the inspiration of the Lord and under the sovereign control of God.

But we need to take a step back. We need to make sure our emotions are filtered through scripture and not the other way around. While scripture absolutely supports that. We need to make sure that our response is not once driven by emotion, but driven by truth.

Right. But that said, we have to understand that Islam's focus, Islam is not a religion of peace. Right. It's a demonic, it's, it's, it's the doctor and demons. And the, um, the, the agenda and the goal is to, is, is for any of you Star Trek fans out there.

And I know Chris Hanholtz is watching, so he will appreciate this. Um, the, the goal of Hamas, the goal of ISIS, the goal of Al Qaeda is that of the Borg in Star Trek. They want to assimilate you. Resistance is futile.

And if you don't submit to Allah, um, then you will, you'll be killed. That's, that's it. That the goal is, it's an agenda. It's an ideology that wants complete and total world domination and control.

That said, we need to be careful. Um, that like, like I said, we aren't letting fear drive our emotion or not. No, I'm sorry. I'm getting mad. I can't think right now. My brain's so fried and I'm feel like crap.

We don't even let emotion drive our response, whether that be aggression or fear. We have to understand that God is sovereign. We need to be educated. We need to be informed. We need to have all the facts so that we can make the best decisions for us.

Okay. Family, church, community, et cetera. Um, and understand and trust in sovereignty of God. But here's something, and this will kind of lead into the conversation about Biden. When was the last time, uh, this is a good question for me.

Um, when was the last time you sat and prayed that the gospel, the light, the, the blinding warm light, the salt and light of the gospel of God and of our Lord Jesus Christ would spread throughout that, that portion of the world, that, that there would be people there standing up for the truth of Christ and sharing the gospel among the members of Hamas, among the, the mill, the over 3 million people who are in an open air prison in the Gaza strip is the gospel going out.

Are people repenting and believing in Christ? Are you praying for that? Am I praying for that? The same thing for Israel, right? This, the very same thing for Israel. We have to like, is, is, is, are we thinking about that?

Are we just like kill them all? Or I don't care, you know, instead of paying attention, being aware and praying that the, that the salvation would take place.

Yeah. And, you know, one of the things you see on Twitter from some Christian camps is this idea of, well, the Jews, they don't believe in Christ. Right. So, so what, you know, what, why are we getting all up in arms?

Because, because they don't, they don't believe in Christ. They're not Christians. Okay. They're still created in the image of God, right? They're still, they're still a people that are surrounded by enemies who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.

I mean, Israel has basically done nothing but fight for its existence. Yeah. And they, and they, they have tried to be peaceable with their enemies. Yep. Right. They, they have tried to come to understandings.

I mean, the, the Gaza strip was given over to, to Palestine by Israel. They say here, you can have this. And yet that's not good enough, right? They still want to wipe Israel off the face of the map. Now, at the same time, when we look at Hamas and we look at terrorists is what they do evil.

Yes, absolutely. But are they still created in the image of God? Yes, they are. So do they need the gospel? Yes. Yes. The Hamas terrorist needs the gospel just as much as the Jewish Israeli. Yep. And so we can't forget that, but, but now this is where it gets even more into the weeds or tricky or sticky is when we look at what Hamas has done, that deserves justice.

Definitely. So P because people are saying, people are taking the side of Hamas and saying, Israel is at fault. Israel is, is returning fire. Israel is killing innocent people. They may, well, well, first of all, Israel told them, they said, Hey, if everyone evacuate Gaza, this we giving you plenty of time to evacuate since day one, because this is what we're going to do.

Okay. If you choose to stay, you're either part of Hamas or you're, you're calling Israel's bluff.

You don't think they're going to do. There's a, there's a, there's a third way. Oh, third way. No, there, there is a third, the third thing that's going on is Hamas is also not letting people leave.

Yeah. Very true. Because they're running people.

They're holding people hostage. That's why I said, right.

Because Andrew posted a picture on social media that explains it perfectly. Right. It's, it's the, the Israeli fighter in front of the baby carriage and then the Hamas fighter hiding behind the baby carriage.

Yeah. That sums it up because what does Hamas do? Who do they, who do they get to carry out a lot of their, their terroristic plans and bombings? They get children. They get women to do it because the men are cowards.

They hide behind innocent people hospitals. They use hospitals underground to store their weapons to use as their headquarters. They hide amongst innocent people because they know that the rest of the world doesn't want to kill innocent people.

They know Americans don't want to kill innocent people. They know Israelis don't want to kill innocent people. So they hide and use them as a shield. Yeah. Yeah. But, but when we look at the actions, we see what Hamas is doing deserves justice.

Yeah. And what Israel is doing is self defense. Yeah. Yeah. And it, and it's, it's a, it's biblical for justice to come upon Hamas. And it is likewise biblical for Israel to defend themselves against Hamas.

Absolutely. Absolutely. I think what's alarming as well is you look around the world and even in our country, even in places you wouldn't even expect like Florida. And you see a lot of these, these pro, not just pro Palestine protests and marches, but pro Hamas.

Yeah. Yeah. In our own country.

And I mean, and, and part of, part of it is really, you go, I'm not shocked because the same people who are supporting Palestine and Hamas are the same people who promote murdering babies. It's the very same people.

Yeah. How interesting is it also, by the way, that you're seeing a lot of the people who are pro murdering babies come out against everything Hamas has done to Israeli children.

Hello pot. My name is Kettle. Well, I got, I got some, some, some comments here by Chris Honholtz that I need to, I need to put up. He says, when it comes down to it, according to the Muslim world, if Israel exists, Islam is not true.

Israel must be wiped out according to their teaching.

That's right. And it's always been that way.