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This is Apologetics Live. To answer your questions, your host, from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rappaport.

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If only, right? If only it was Andrew Rappaport. But it's not. You know why? Because we're taking over again.

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We are. We've done more Apologetics Live than Matter of Theology episode.

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It's pretty funny how that works out. But, Chris, how are you doing? You sound a little under the weather.

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I am a little under the weather. This is about the volume that I can get.

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But my register right now, man, I could sing some good bass right now. You're tapping into the deep radio voice, the late night

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DJ that plays all the soft ballad songs. I mean, we could. Oh, yeah, y 'all.

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I mean, we could do that. That's right. That's right.

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But welcome to Apologetics Live is Chris Andrew. Andrew is not going to be here tonight, obviously.

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But this is supposed to be the last time he's away for a while.

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So anyway, trying to decide a topic for tonight. You know, it was a lot to talk about, man.

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It's a lot. Yeah. Tonight's topic is a lot to talk about, but it was like, what are we what are we going to talk about?

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Because we've talked about cessationism. Right. We had Justin Peters on to talk about cessationism.

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We've talked a lot about Calvinism. And usually those are the two things that people get really up in arms about.

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And so it was like, well, what what exactly do we want to talk about tonight? And so, you know, in talking to you and trying to come up with a topic for tonight, you know, it was you were like, well, hey, maybe we just do open

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Q &A. Right. Why don't we just have open Q &A? And I was like, that's a great idea. We haven't done an open

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Q &A in a while. No. And it was almost a weekly thing. The open Q &A is when we were coming on to joint host this.

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But then you also said, what about the Christians response to what's going on in Israel? Yeah, because that's that's huge.

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Right. Yeah. It started, what, two weeks ago? Yeah. It'll be two weeks on Saturday.

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Yeah. Two weeks ago. Yeah. And it's still going on and it's just devastating what's going on there.

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It's escalating. It's escalating. Right. Devastating. It's escalating. And so how should we as Christians respond?

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Because one of the things that we see is no, no offense to my dispensationalist brothers and sisters.

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Right. And I'm not saying this is you because I think, you know, the dispensationalist you and I know, like Andrew and Jim and Justin.

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Right. They don't go to this extreme by saying, hold on. Jesus is coming back at any moment.

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Right. You know, tomorrow or things like that. Right. They kind of understand. Right. Which I'd be all for that.

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Sure. Yeah. I'm not, you know. Right. Right. But but this isn't the the left behind series.

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Right. Where is it? You know, you know, Andrew, Jim and so they can actually make the distinction between fiction and then what scripture says from the dispensational view.

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I know. I know. It's crazy. Speaking of how dare you. A couple of things.

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Yes. Yes. Not to cut you off. I wanted to I wanted to highlight a couple of things. OK. Jason Cave said something there in his comment about the

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Braves. So let me bring that up. Yeah, man. Put that up. Jason Cave. What's up, brother? He's a fellow Atlanta boy.

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And so he said a heart hurts for the Braves. But how about them dogs? So let's let's let's talk about that.

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Right. Open queue. And that's not really a question. But for those of you baseball fans out there like Drew and our

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Braves fans through and through, I can't stand the Phillies. I'll never say I hate them because I shouldn't hate anybody.

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Right. But they're playing lights out baseball right now. Right. And the Braves just got cold at the wrong time.

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And I still believe they're the best team in baseball for the year, regardless of who wins the series.

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Right. But they've also. Unpopular opinion for Atlanta people.

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I can't stand Ronald Acuna. I don't deny the boy's talent, that he's a talented ballplayer.

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Forty seventy club never been done. Yeah. But he's all about the individual. And he's he needs to make sure that he's thinking of himself as one ninth of an equation meant to win a ball game every game.

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If he played on any team that I was on, the coach would not have put up with his antics.

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And so he would he would have sat until he understood the right mindset and then he would go back.

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But, you know, here's another thing. Another unpopular opinion. OK. OK. Braves fans.

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People hate Bryce Harper. They strongly dislike Bryce Harper.

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Now, here's my thing. I'm not a fan of Bryce Harper's attitude and his antics and stuff.

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Right. I'm not I'm not a fan of that. Yeah. But when the guy is on the field, he is hard nose.

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He reminds me of Pete Rose. Here's he's a hard nose player the way

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Pete Rose used to be. And no one plays like that. Yeah. Here's here's who he reminds me of.

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Jipper Jones. I got this book. It's my time of the year to read something. Just one book.

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I got it yesterday and that's how far I am. Jason Cave just said it. His discipline. So. So.

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So that's it. So here's the thing about Bryce. Like I've got actually I had a friend of mine years ago that I've worked out with and he was a minor league baseball coach.

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And he he coached Bryce and actually had one of his one of his jerseys, got

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Bryce to sign it and gave it to me. So I have it in this closet right here. Again, you can't deny the man's talent and consistency.

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But, yeah, he's he's pretty intense. And Melissa. So last thing we'll probably say along the lines of.

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Melissa Owens says, I'm just shocked that the Lions, the Detroit Lions, are finally doing well.

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I'm finally not ashamed to admit they're my team. And that's the thing.

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The Lions, since Barry Sanders, I mean, even when Barry Sanders played for them, they still weren't that good.

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But hey, at least you could say you had Barry Sanders. Right. Yeah. It's like the Dolphins of Dan Marino with Dan Marino. Right.

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And but the Lions are doing very well. They're doing very well.

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Even the Cleveland Browns, the last couple of years, the Cleveland Browns have done it. And but the sad thing, Jason Cave mentioned the dogs,

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Nick Chubb. They're running back, former former UGA Bulldog injured.

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And that's it's tough because he was when he was in college, he got over a really, really bad injury in order to be one of the top running backs in the

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NCAA. Did very well when he got playing time in the

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NFL. He's the one he's the reason that I believe that the Cleveland Browns started winning a couple of years ago.

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And now he's hurt. And it's tough to see one because a team like Cleveland who you kind of want to go,

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OK, come on, let's let's do better. And then Nick Chubb, you know, gets hurt. Georgia boy.

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And you're like, oh, you wanted so much. But we have a guest in the back. Oh, is that cool?

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Mr. A .M. Brewster. Oh, OK. Before you say anything, Aaron, I got to I got to commend you for what you did last week, man.

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Thank you. And no, man, just just the way that just the way you engage that guy. And with with gentleness and the way that you were saying things, but the way that you were explaining the way that first Corinthians six and Romans one, how that how that related together the plea for repentance.

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And so, bro, I just I appreciate that, man. That's why I put what I did in the chat. I was listening.

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I was like, listen, everybody needs to listen to this right now. I really, really appreciate that. That is very kind of you.

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Praise God that the answers are there. The truth is there. I'm I real quick.

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So I'm not a sports guy. I'll just throw that out there right off the bat so no one gets the wrong impression. But I lived in the outside of Detroit for a long time.

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The Lions were never, ever anything worth being proud of. And now and now they go and do this to me.

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And I think it's very unfair. I just want to put that out there. You're going to stink, stink for everybody, you know, stink unilaterally.

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Consistent. Exactly. Because it's not fair. Now, I did find out, though, that I am a hockey good luck charm.

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So when I lived in Detroit, the Red Wings, Stanley Cups all the time. When I moved to Illinois, Blackhawks, Stanley Cups, boom, boom, started knocking them down.

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But then I moved to Wisconsin and then I moved to North Carolina, neither of them in hockey teams. I was like, oh, it's a wasted, wasted good luck charm.

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But anyway, I'm just kind of pulling an Andrew tonight. The past, I don't know, past few weeks and whatever.

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Andrew's been kind of like popping in for like 30 seconds right before a flight or something like that and being like, hey, hi, guys.

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And I'm kind of doing the same thing. And you check this out. I'm in Tennessee right now. So I have another new location for being on Apologetics Live.

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I'm just going to collect them all. Yeah. You're going every state, every place you can go to come into Apologetics Live.

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I'm going someplace just so I can be someplace different on Thursday. Right. But I am glad you're here, even if it's for a short time, because when we came up with this topic,

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I was initially going to text you. And then Andrew said, hey,

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I talked to Aaron and he's going to be on. And I said, I said, great. I meant to text him.

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And I'm glad that you did because of, you know, the kind of the topic, aside from the open

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Q &A, I thought would be perfect to have kind of your perspective and how you're viewing things from a biblical counseling mindset.

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I just thought that would be super, super helpful. I'm I am happy to hang out for as long as I can.

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My schedule is kind of not my own. As you can tell, I'm I am driving at the moment, so I don't even know.

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Am I allowed to be on a talk show while I'm driving? Is that legal? I'm not sure. I think maybe the laws are

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OK in Tennessee. I think you can. You just can't hold the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Not holding the phone. Right. I mean, hold the wheel, too. That's right. You've got your hands -free device in your ear, so you're good.

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Yes, I do. I am all set. And this lets ambient noise come in, too. But yeah, no,

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I'm I'm good to talk about whatever we got for as long as I can. Then when I need to go, I'll go and leave the rest of the conversation up to you guys.

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Yeah, yeah. That sounds perfect. So we got our sports out of the way. All right. Good, good.

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I thought I missed that. Dodge the bullet. But for any of the listeners who are tuning in, if you have any questions, your questions don't necessarily have to pertain to what's going on in Israel.

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They can just be general theology questions. It doesn't have to be related to the other topic.

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But let's just go ahead and dive right into it while we have time with you. When everything started going on, right, we had

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Hamas attacking Israel at this music festival.

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I think the festival was actually in Gaza, but a lot of Israelis were present there.

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And Hamas came and attacked, killed, kidnapped. At first, when everything started going on, everyone's reaction,

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I think, was kind of shock, awe, panic. What were your thoughts when everything started happening?

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I am what they call an optimistic realist.

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I am optimistic because I know God. And I'm realistic because I know man.

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And from the time that Abraham made that very bad choice that he did to try to have a seed through his handmaiden, his wife's handmaiden,

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God prophesied that there was going to be familial tension, that this was going to be a big deal.

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Yep. Genesis 16. Yep. And from my perspective, when stuff like this happens,

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I am not surprised. I'm not surprised in the slightest because of that. I'm not surprised in the slightest because to a certain degree,

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I've studied the Qur 'an. I've lived in areas that are highly

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Muslim. And I've known people and had lots of conversations and discussions with them on these topics and things like that.

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And so there's absolutely nothing about this that surprises me. In fact, I guess maybe if I were to be surprised,

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I might think something like I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner or I'm surprised they didn't do more.

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You know, that type of thing. Yeah, I am. I agree with you, Aaron. And I obviously came in, came back up right in the middle of that.

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But no, we shouldn't be surprised at that. We shouldn't be surprised at anything like this, especially there.

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And I was listening to today. One of my favorite fiction authors is

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Jack Carr, former Navy SEAL. He's bestselling author of the Terminalist series and fantastic fiction books to read, by the way.

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Just a lot of fun for guys, action involved. But he interviewed today or a couple of days ago.

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I haven't listened to the whole thing, but a former IDF soldier who served in the army there.

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It's required that you serve a minimum of three years. Right. Man, everybody. Yeah. And I love that personally.

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I personally think that's fantastic. So to be Jewish, you have to do that to survive.

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So this guy's now a journalist and he's been a journalist for 17 years, I think it was.

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And he very quickly he thought he took a lot of time, but he really didn't. He very quickly walked through the history that the recorded history of the conflict between Israel and Hamas.

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And I mean, I mean, hundreds of years ago, obviously, we know, you know, we know that this, you know, this goes all the way back to, like, like we're just saying,

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Genesis 16. So we shouldn't be surprised by this. And I think I think from a practical standpoint,

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Ben Shapiro, who Orthodox Jew. He's had John MacArthur and Thody Bokom on his show.

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They both shared the gospel with him. I love the way MacArthur did it through Isaiah 53 and just just fantastic.

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But he did it. He did a great show days after the attack. And he had and he said, I'm going to make you look.

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You know, nobody's going to want to see this, but you need to see this. You need to see what they've done. And one of the things he said that I think is is something that we sometimes are shielded from in Western society is we don't see evil past the veneer of civilization.

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And we have we have to understand that one of the effects and one of the infections of sin in our world is the evil that we're seeing play out overseas right now.

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Those horrific images. And if you can't stomach it and you don't want to look at it, don't.

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I'm not saying you have to. But one of the things that Ben Shapiro was saying that I agree with, he's like, don't look away. Like, I'm going to make you look at this because this is the truth.

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This is the truth of the world we live in. And we shouldn't be surprised by that.

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We shouldn't be surprised as Scripture is replete with warnings about men proceeding from bad to worse.

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The murders and the horrific joy that was seen in some of these

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Hamas soldiers and what they were doing to men, women, children, the elderly when they when they attacked on a couple of weeks ago.

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So we shouldn't be shocked by it. You're absolutely right. We shouldn't be surprised by it. Well, shock maybe is that, yeah, shocked, but not surprised by it.

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Yeah. And so it's it's it's interesting things. It's an interesting thing to watch. I've got a friend of mine.

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She she she's Orthodox. She's not Orthodox. She's a Christian. She believes in the life, death, burial, resurrection of the

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Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin, forgiveness of sins. And she and her husband have been following this closely because she's

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Israeli. She's from an ethnicity standpoint, 100 percent Jewish in that way. And she's got friends and she's got family over there.

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And so one of the first things that I wanted to talk about tonight with this is we have to be discerning.

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We've got to have our eyes open and we have to. This is one of those situations with this scenario.

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We need to be very quick to listen and very slow to speak. Prime example just happened a couple of days ago.

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Right. You get two days ago, you get reports of all of a sudden the Twitter blows up.

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And by the way, let me just say this. Twitter is actually been a good source of information for this.

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Since Elon Musk has taken over and it's now X, I call it Twix. It's actually been pretty refreshing.

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I'll say that. It has, man. It has. And he's an advocate for free speech, truly. And they're still working some things out and still trying to make sure that the platform is being used for that.

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But the quickness, one of the downfalls is the quickness with which the information comes forth.

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I mean, it's immediate. And so two days ago, you've got multiple sources reporting that Israel has just bombed, carpet bombed with a 2 ,000 pound

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JDAM, a hospital that 500 to 1 ,000 people were dead.

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And Israel did it in Gaza. And, you know, and then the mainstream media runs with it and media all over the world runs with it without verifying it.

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And then all of a sudden you've got attacks at Israeli embassies in Turkey, Lebanon.

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You've got U .S. embassies that are being attacked just today, by the way. Within the last three hours, four of our embassies have been attacked, two in one airbase in Iraq, all over the

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Middle East. And all of this really kicked off because the media ran with this report that Israel bombed a hospital.

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Well, come to find out when Hamas fires 150 rockets, 30 to 40 percent of those rockets misfire.

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And so one of them misfired and hit the parking lot of the hospital where roughly 50 people died.

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And that's still awful, but it's not a thousand. And it was Hamas who did it, not Israel.

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So there's one example of you just you've got to keep your eyes open and you've got to be discerning.

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So go ahead, Aaron. Well, I'm just going to say from a practical standpoint, like, you know, what is one of my big takeaways from this whole thing?

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And by the way, everything you said was 100 percent right. We've got to exercise Christian discipline. We've got to if we're going to speak truth and love, we need to make sure that we're speaking truth.

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And that's that's hard in this day and age. But here's one of the things

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I come back to a lot as I'm talking with people and as I'm parenting and as I'm just looking at my own life.

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It is so easy to look at what Hamas is doing right now and to believe it or not, a lot of people are not recognizing the reprehensible wickedness of it all.

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There are people out there trying to justify it. And then we see Hamas. We see the people trying to justify them.

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And we're like, those people are so wicked. They're evil. They're deluded. They're all of this.

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And we're right. They are. But the moment we think that we, aside from the grace of God, whether common or specific in salvation, that we are any different.

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We are just as deluded because we have that. We looked on our nose. We're up on our pedestal.

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I would never do that. I would, whatever. But the reality is, and everyone, please, I'm not going to be able to be here for too much longer.

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I'm going to go here in a minute. But just everyone hear this. The exact same motivations, the exact same roots of the atrocities in the

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Middle East, spiritual roots of that are exactly what motivate my sinful choices.

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Yes, sir. And when we look at sin as a sin and righteousness, as we are righteous and they're sinful, we're holy and they're wicked.

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When we look at our sin and make excuses for it, we are just as delusional and just as crazy and just as insane as the people doing those awful things.

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Because that just shows that we don't understand really how bad sin really is. Now, God's common grace keeps us, even unsaved people, from being as bad as they can be.

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Praise God for that. And then God's, you know, God's specific saving grace, sanctifying grace in our lives.

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Obviously, I mean, anything bad in me is my fault. Everything good to me is God. That's true for all of us.

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And that just, that humble state of mind where we sit back and we don't say evil is good.

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No, we say, no, it's terrible. It's bad. In them, and it's just as bad in me. And that being the motivation for my wanting to grow into conformity to Christ and being changed into his image.

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That's one of the big takeaways I have from something like this. And in my counseling is something that's just really hard for people to see.

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It's so easy to see my spouse or my kid's sin or my neighbor's sin, or that guy who cheated with my spouse's sin as being worse than mine.

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And the moment we do that, we're a big part of the problem. That's Romans 2, right? I mean, it's totally, you know, at least

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I'm not like the people that God has given over to a depraved mind in Romans 1. Instead of being thankful for the grace of God that you're not.

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I might be able to reconnect later. I might not. I appreciate what you guys are doing tonight. I love the conversation.

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Glad I could stop in just for a few minutes and I will hopefully see you guys later. Yeah. We're glad you were able to stop by.

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Hopefully you can come back later. But if not, have a good night, brother. See you later.

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Bye. See ya. Bye. You know, Aaron's absolutely right.

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The same sin that drives them is the same sin that fuels my sinful choices, right?

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That's the depravity of man. That's the fall. And as Jason Cave said, where did he say it?

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He said right here. It's the heart of man. That's it, bro. That's the heart of the natural man. And the thing is,

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Aaron also said, we look at all these other people who do all these other sins and we say, well,

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I would never do that. Or I could never do that. And we put ourselves on that pedestal. I'm not a

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Republican, man. At least I'm not like that guy. Right, right. God didn't graceful me yesterday. But let's also think about it in a different way.

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Because there are some people who desire these certain sins like murder.

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There's other people who don't desire the murderous sin, but they desire other sins, but not the one that says

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I'm going to take somebody else's life, right? We would call that the hand of restraint on us.

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And that's actually a part of God's grace, is that we are not as bad as we could be.

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If God were to release His hand of restraint, all chaos would break loose.

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But in His grace and in His mercy, He has restrained us, and especially those whom

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He calls to Himself. He restrains them in such a way so that He continues to draw them in, changes their nature, changes their heart.

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And then now what's our job to do? He sends us out to go minister to those people who even the people who are in sins that we would say are not that bad, right?

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Those pet sins that even we love, and to minister to those who have a murderous heart.

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Yeah, yeah. Sin is—how many times have you and I said on Matter of Theology?

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Some have said that the smallest sin is enough to continue to hell, but it's more than that.

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It's the smallest desire to sin. You think about where sin comes from.

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James tells us that it generates inside. It generates from the heart. So everybody's so quick, oh,

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Satan made me do it. Well, no. No, you made you do it. And this is what John Owen talks about, about the indwelling sin.

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Correct. He says once sin has gained control of the mind, not that you're actually living it out or you're doing it, but once the thought creeps into your mind, it's gained control of your heart.

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Yeah. So you have the desire to do it even if you haven't committed it.

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Right. That's a problem. That's why we need to guard our minds and guard our hearts. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and speaking of that, man,

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I mean, something you mentioned a second ago, you said that as far as what we're seeing from Hamas and the atrocities that they—I mean, think about what they did.

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OK, so let's talk about this. They, on one day, and this is something that now is being confirmed, which, by the way, as of the recording of this episode of Apologetics Live, our president is having some kind of press conference, so we'll see what's going to happen there.

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Yeah. Anyway, I'm going to get derailed if I— OK, OK, go, because I was going to talk about that, but please go.

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No, I want to talk about that, too. I do want to talk about that. But we have to understand this, that because this battle can find—you can trace its roots back to Genesis 16.

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We understand that this is a spiritual battle. This is something that has happened.

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This is something that will continue to happen. I know that right now Israel's goal is to wipe Hamas off the map, and I've got to be honest.

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Biblically, there is warrant and support for that. Sure. Absolutely. What we have to be careful of as believers is to—if we're going to look at those images that Ben Shapiro puts up, if we're going to look at the images and the video that is all over Twitter and everywhere else right now, we have to filter our emotions through Scripture.

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We have to take a breath. We've got to calm down, because I'm one of those guys that—

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I thought about being a cop for a long time, and one of the reasons that I didn't is because I don't know— and this is just me being honest and very transparent right now—

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I don't know that I could roll up on a call. I mean, I think I could. I'd be a pro, right?

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But roll up on a call to see something happening to a woman or a child or something like that, and just not— let's say the taxpayer some money.

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You know what I mean? It's hard to have restraint. Right. It's hard to exercise restraint and understand that our justice system, as flawed as it is, is still there under the inspiration of the

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Lord and under the sovereign control of God. But we need to take a step back. We need to make sure our emotions are filtered through Scripture, not the other way around.

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While Scripture absolutely supports that, we need to make sure that our response is not one driven by emotion, but driven by truth.

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Right. But that said, we have to understand that Islam's focus—Islam is not a religion of peace. Right. It's a demonic—it's the doctrine of demons.

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And the agenda and the goal is to—for any of you

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Star Trek fans out there, and I know Chris Honholtz is watching, so he will appreciate this. The goal of Hamas, the goal of ISIS, the goal of al -Qaeda is that of the

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Borg in Star Trek. They want to assimilate you. Resistance is futile. And if you don't submit to Allah, then you will be killed.

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That's it. The goal is—it's an agenda, it's an ideology that wants complete and total world domination and control.

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That said, we need to be careful that, like I said, we aren't letting fear drive our emotion.

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I'm sorry. I'm getting mad. I can't think right now. My brain's so fried, and I feel like crap.

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We don't let emotion drive our response, whether that be aggression or fear. We have to understand that God is sovereign.

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We need to be educated. We need to be informed. We need to have all the facts so that we can make the best decisions for us, family, church, community, etc.

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And understand and trust in the sovereignty of God. But here's something, and this will kind of lead into the conversation about Biden. When was the last time—this is a good question for me.

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When was the last time you sat and prayed that the gospel, the light, the blinding warm light, the salt and light of the gospel of God and of our

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Lord Jesus Christ would spread throughout that portion of the world? That there would be people there standing up for the truth of Christ and sharing the gospel among the members of Hamas, among the over three million people who are in an open -air prison in the

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Gaza Strip? Is the gospel going out? Are people repenting and believing in Christ? Are you praying for that?

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Am I praying for that? The same thing for Israel, right? The very same thing for Israel.

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Are we thinking about that, or are we just like, kill them all, or I don't care? Instead of paying attention, being aware, and praying that salvation would take place.

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Yeah, and one of the things you see on Twitter from some

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Christian camps is this idea of, well, the

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Jews, they don't believe in Christ, right? So what? Why are we getting all up in arms?

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Because they don't believe in Christ? They're not Christians. Okay, they're still created in the image of God, right?

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There's still a people that are surrounded by enemies who want to wipe them off the face of the earth.

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I mean, Israel has basically done nothing but fight for its existence, and they have tried to be peaceable with their enemies, right?

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They have tried to come to understandings. I mean, the

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Gaza Strip was given over to Palestine by Israel.

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They say, here, you can have this, and yet, that's not good enough, right?

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They still want to wipe Israel off the face of the map. Now, at the same time, when we look at Hamas and we look at terrorists, is what they do evil?

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Yes, absolutely. But are they still created in the image of God? Yes, they are.

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So do they need the gospel? Yes. The Hamas terrorist needs the gospel just as much as the

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Jewish -Israeli. And so we can't forget that.

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But now, this is where it gets even more into the weeds or tricky or sticky, is when we look at what

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Hamas has done, that deserves justice.

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Definitely. Because people are saying, people are taking the side of Hamas and saying

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Israel is at fault. Israel is returning fire. Israel is killing innocent people.

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Well, first of all, Israel told them, they said, hey, if everyone evacuate

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Gaza, we've given you plenty of time to evacuate. Since day one. Because this is what we're going to do.

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If you choose to stay, you're either part of Hamas or you're calling

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Israel's bluff. You don't think they're going to do. There's a third way. A third way.

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No, there is a third. The third thing that's going on is Hamas is also not letting people leave.

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Yeah, very true. Because they're running people, they're holding people hostage. Right. Because Andrew posted a picture on social media that explains it perfectly, right?

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It's the Israeli fighter in front of the baby carriage and then the Hamas fighter hiding behind the baby carriage.

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That sums it up. Because what does Hamas do? Who do they get to carry out a lot of their terroristic plans and bombings?

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They get children. They get women to do it because the men are cowards. They hide behind innocent people.

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Hospitals, they use hospitals underground to store their weapons to use as their headquarters.

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They hide amongst innocent people because they know that the rest of the world doesn't want to kill innocent people.

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They know Americans don't want to kill innocent people. They know Israelis don't want to kill innocent people. So they hide and use them as a shield.

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Yeah. Yeah. But when we look at the actions, we see what

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Hamas is doing deserves justice. Yeah. And what

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Israel is doing is self -defense.

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Yeah, yeah. And it's biblical for justice to come upon Hamas. And it is likewise biblical for Israel to defend themselves against Hamas.

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Absolutely. I think what's alarming as well is you look around the world and even in our country, even in places you wouldn't even expect, like Florida.

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And you see a lot of these pro, not just pro -Palestine protests and marches, but pro -Hamas in our own country.

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And part of it is really you go, I'm not shocked because the same people who are supporting

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Palestine and Hamas are the same people who promote murdering babies. It's the very same people.

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Yeah. How interesting is it also, by the way, that you're seeing a lot of the people who are pro -murdering babies come out against everything

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Hamas has done to Israeli children. Hello, pot.

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My name is Kettle. I got some comments here by Chris Honholtz that I need to put up.

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He says, when it comes down to it, according to the Muslim world, if Israel exists, Islam is not true.

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Israel must be wiped out according to their teaching. That's right, and it's always been that way.

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Yep, and he continues on. The rest of the world does not operate according to the Islamic thinking, so they think they can broker a peace where both can exist.

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Islam allows them to believe this because it forwards their agenda.

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And then he continues on. They use the peace treaties as a shield to gain power and land inside Israel until they are in a place to wipe

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Israel out. They play the victim to gain the world's pity. And he just hit on something.

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Leave that up there for a second, that last sentence. They play the victim to gain the world's pity.

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That's exactly what they did two days ago at the hospital. One of the ways that they are trying to kill

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Israel is by reputation. They're trying to get Israel's allies to abandon them, the biggest one being us, and to turn against them and to paint them in a bad light.

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Which is interesting when we talk about Biden. Let's go there, man. Let's talk about the...

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I prayed for him today. Let me preface what I'm about to say with that. I prayed for him. We should.

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We should pray for our leaders. Absolutely. Whether we agree with them or not, whether we believe them to be evil or not, we should pray for them.

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Yep. So, to have our president...

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It always makes me... It always makes me nervous when

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Biden does something I agree with. That makes me...

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I'm just like, something's off. Just because the worldviews are so different.

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It's east -west. It's as far left as you can get from right. It's up, down, all that. So, when he starts talking about support for Israel and everything else,

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I'm like, okay, okay. But here's what's interesting. And we have to also talk about discernment.

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Why is he doing this? Why all of a sudden is he wanting to... And I think the press conference tonight was to propose a $100 billion, with a

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B, dollar support package that would go to Israel and Ukraine, as well as Taiwan.

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What did Ukraine have to do with it? Exactly. And De Otero said, hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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Well, in appearance, yes. The broken clock is right as far as the time it gets around to the correct time.

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But obviously, the inside is wrong. And we know that it's broken. So, I start looking at this.

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And then you start, okay, start from where we are and look backwards. And understand that it was not that long ago that the

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Biden administration approved and released billions, $6 billion to Iran in exchange for prisoners and information.

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And who funded what Hamas is doing? Iran. Now, also, here's something else to think about.

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Hamas has said, and this is where, again, gathering information, right? So, you can make informed decisions so you know how to think, so you know how to pray.

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So, when your family has questions, when people in your community, your neighbors, your church, et cetera, so on and so forth. So, basically, also, too, there was a $75 million,

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I think it was, $75 million package that quietly went to Iran before the $6 billion went over there.

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So, there's that. And Hamas started planning this attack two years ago.

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What happened two years ago, Chris? I'm glad you asked. We immediately, harshly, and in the wrong way evacuated

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Afghanistan, leaving billions of dollars of weapons, vehicles, and equipment.

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Guess what weapons Hamas has been using to enact these attacks on Israel?

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The M4s that we left. The Humvees. The RPGs. The bombs.

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We could keep going. And so, it's one of those things that he's trying to spin the narrative. No, no, no.

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Don't look at the $6 billion. Don't look at the $75 million. Don't look at the weapons. Don't look at all that.

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No, no. Look over here. I want you to look over here. Look at what we're doing. We're humanitarian. Humanitarian aid, et cetera.

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It's like, no. And then he goes over there. And I'm sorry, bro.

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This is practical. We're just talking practical here. Maybe it's just me.

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And y 'all can chime off in the comments here. I'm just going to be real with y 'all. If I'm President of the

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United States and Israel has just endured this horrific attack, babies decapitated, people burned alive, kidnapping, rape, torture, murder, et cetera, so on and so forth.

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And you go over there and let me say this about Benjamin Netanyahu. I got great respect for BB.

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There are things that he's done. Do I agree with it? No. But he's a leader. He's a pro.

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His chest is up. His chest is out. His chin is up. He projects strength.

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Even if I don't agree with it, I respect that. Here's unpopular opinion. Vladimir Putin's the same way.

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I can't stand Putin. I don't like the things that he's done. I definitely don't agree with him.

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But I respect him as a leader. He commands respect and strength.

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Our president goes over there and is sitting down, slouched over, stuttering over words, falling asleep, rambling incoherently, glitching out.

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And I'm just like, oh my God. Look, if there was ever a question that the judgment of the

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Lord was on the United States of America, there should no longer be a question. Right.

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Correct. Because Isaiah 3 says that when he wants to judge a nation. I'm going to say that Calvin quote in a minute.

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But specifically, Isaiah 3 says when the Lord wants to judge nations, he makes women and children rule over them.

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And that's exactly what we see. So we need to be praying for our government. We have a vegetable in the

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White House. We've got a cackling hyena as vice president. And we don't have a speaker of the house right now.

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That's right. Bro. Yeah, that's

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I mean, and it's a lot. Right. That's a lot. That's a lot to take in.

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It is. So now let's address the $6 billion. Right. That was released, which was money that we've had for a very long time that we've been sitting on.

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That's been kept from Iran. And that money was released to them.

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And now all of the political pundits, all of the liberals, the media talking heads, they say, well, you can't talk about the $6 billion because Iran hasn't spent it.

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Okay. But all they did was give a line of credit to Hamas.

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Let me ask you a question. Again, practically thinking. Okay. Practically thinking.

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If you have, let's say you owe $1 ,000 on a credit card. Okay. You've set aside $1 ,000 to pay that credit card back.

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And someone says, hey, I'm going to exchange information and give you $1 ,000.

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But not yet. It's there, but you can't really use it yet. Okay.

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You're going to take that $1 ,000 that you had set aside for that credit card. You're going to do something else with it. And that's exactly what

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Iran has done. Right. And then, oh, by the way, they still have not frozen the $6 billion. That's the thing

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I was going to get into next, because they have the ability to freeze that money. And they've gone back and forth.

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Yeah. So they can't have it. Okay. But they haven't done that. They haven't frozen it. What would be the first thing you would do?

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Once you find out Iran is the one who funded this, and then we, oh, we're giving it?

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Nope. Not anymore. We'll freeze that money back. Put it back. We're not going to support that.

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Now, let's kind of shift gears a little bit, because you mentioned Afghanistan, right? Two years ago,

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Afghanistan. Now, this was an absolute disaster, pulling out of Afghanistan.

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And then the way we pulled out of Afghanistan, announced it to everybody, left

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Americans there. Hamas took over that airport. Now, there were some

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Christian, I use that loosely, they're not Christian, some false teachers, particularly

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Kenneth Copeland. Bro. Who was saying, well, I'm going to give my plane to let my plane go over there and bring people back.

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Yeah, he didn't do that. He didn't do that. There was one person, okay, once they shut down everything, no one could go in or out.

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There was one person who was able to set up an aircraft to go in and sneak people out of Afghanistan.

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And he said his name, Tim Kennedy. Tim Kennedy. And he's doing the same thing. Save our allies.

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He's trying to, but Washington keeps trying to block him from doing that.

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So you have a government, you have one man, all right, a true patriot, right?

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Tim Kennedy. If y 'all don't know who Tim Kennedy is, get familiar with Tim Kennedy. I'm just saying.

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Sheepdog Response is one of his companies. Sheepdog Response, former Army Ranger. Okay. Where is it?

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Former MMA fighter, right? This guy is bad to the bone. His company makes this.

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This goes with me everywhere. I'm not going to show what's on here because YouTube might pull the video, but there's lots of goodies in here.

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Tourniquets. Is it a medical kit? It's a fanny pack. So he just sells the pack, but you filled it with -

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I filled it with all sorts of fun stuff. Tourniquet, extra mag, pew pew, karambit, another tourniquet, my wallet's in here, keys, flashlight.

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Yeah. Tim Kennedy is awesome. Go ahead. Yeah. So he's trying to go in, get people out, get

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Americans out, get innocent people out in his own country,

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America. Which, by the way, we have anywhere from 10 ,000 to 20 ,000 Americans in the country of Israel at any given time.

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Right. 20 ,000. Think about that. Yeah. And they're blocking him from doing that. What does that say about the

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American government? Agenda. Agenda. Yeah. Here's that verse in Isaiah 3, by the way.

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Start in verse 11. Woe to the wicked, it will go badly with him, for what he has dealt out will be done to him.

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Oh, my people, their taskmasters are infants, and women rule over them. Oh, my people, those who guide you lead you astray and swallow up in the way of your paths.

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And that's what we're seeing. That's exactly what we're seeing. We have a government that can't, they're weak.

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And Honholt said it. I was just about to do that. I saw you highlighted that. So go ahead, throw that up, man. We're the weakest we have ever been in my lifetime.

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I'm 41 years old. And by God's grace, I've seen 41 years. And I've never known our country to be as weak as we are.

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I'm a patriot through and through. Everybody's seen the hat, that I'd wear this hat everywhere. I actually have multiple of them because the first one's nasty.

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You know, so I'm a patriot through and through. I really am. But this is the first time in my entire life, even,

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I remember when H .W. Bush was president. I remember when Clinton was president and the whole Monica Lewinsky thing came out. I was a big fan of George W.

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I know everybody won't be. I even had respect for Obama because he was a strong leader.

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And I didn't vote for him. Don't agree with his policies. Trump, no nonsense, you know.

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Yeah, he's crass. Yeah, he's not a believer, but he professes to be. Yeah, mean tweets, but we had peace and he's strong.

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This is the first time in my entire life that I sat back and said, I'm embarrassed to say that that is the president of my country.

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And so I immediately, you know, like I didn't get on social media and start blasting them and everything else.

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I literally fell to my knees in the very room I'm in right now. And I prayed for him. And I prayed that the

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Lord would grant him repentance and faith, first of all, even in his mental state, that the

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Lord would see fit to do that through the shed blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, through the life, the death, the burial and the resurrection for the forgiveness of sins.

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I pray that God would do that. And then I prayed that the Lord, after saving him, would call him home. He's 80 years old, but he's got the mentality of somebody who's not all there.

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And that's not what we need in our country. So here's something, brother, you hit on a second ago.

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And I know there's more about what I said in talking about our government and talking about all the stuff that's gone on, is we have to remember this too.

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And Kosti Hinn, let me see if I can find this real quick. Kosti Hinn put a post on Instagram a couple days ago about how we should be thinking through this.

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And one of the things he said in there is he said, we need to stay biblically busy. Yes. I love the way he worded that, is we need to be so ensconced and consumed in Scripture that that informs everything we think, say, and do.

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We need to be so busy with preaching the gospel to ourselves, to our loved ones, to our families, to our churches, to our communities.

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We need to be focused on that. Yes, keeping an eye on all this stuff, but not letting it consume us in a way that it shouldn't.

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Also, too, resist the urge on social media to comment and think that you know a ton about foreign policy.

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We need to go to war. You ever been to war? You willing to enlist and sign up? Then shut up.

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If you're not, shut up. We don't need to go to war. That is not what we need. But at the same time, let me say this.

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Let me say this. Everybody's like, oh, man, this is the start of World War III. Boys and girls,

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World War III has already started. Think about it. Russia and Ukraine, which

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I'm still not convinced that's a real war. Two, Israel and Hamas.

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Three, China and Taiwan is about to clock off. Four, Armenia is being invaded right now, and you're not hearing about it.

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Five. I heard Mel Gibson talk about it. Yeah, that was the first time I heard about it, too. Of all people.

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Five, check this out. Within the last three hours of the recording of this episode, I already said it once.

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We've had two places where Americans are housed in Iraq attacked. We've had our ships fired upon.

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Boys and girls, we're in it. This is it. So prepare mentally for that.

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I'm not trying to scare anybody. I'm not trying to jump the shark here. But look at what's happening.

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Go ahead. Well, that leads into two comments I want to bring up. First, Jason Cave, Reagan Bush, 84, for the win.

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Hey, I was born in 86, so I was born when Reagan was president. I was too.

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Right before HW took office. But Melissa Owens, what about all of the military soldiers who are being funneled into our country as, quote, unquote, immigrants?

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Oh, last few seconds. Oh. There have been over, what's been reported, there's been over 50,

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I think, now at this point. Since the war in Israel, between Israel and Hamas started, there's been over 50

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Lebanese military -aged males detained at the southern border. And that's just the ones we caught.

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Yep. They're here. They're here. So how do you prepare?

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Well, we have many ways we can tell you how to prepare, but that's not the topic of this show.

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No. But if you want to know how to prepare. We can talk offline about that.

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Yeah, we can talk offline about it. We can point you to some other folks. We can give you some resources that you can do to prepare yourself and prepare your family, which, you know, we're in the stages of doing that right now at my house.

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Same. But let me go back to something you said, which is really what

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Kosti said. Biblically busy. Biblically busy. Being biblically busy.

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Because a lot of times, a lot of times we look at the news, we see what's going on and our mind gets caught up with nonsense, but our mind gets too focused on this and especially the people that you said, well, we need to go to war.

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We need to go to war. No, we don't need to go to war. We don't. War is a terrible thing. How do

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I know? Ask all the people who have been there, right? Yep. If they could not have gone, they would have not gone, but they felt the duty to go.

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Right. And then listening to the stories, it's awful. So we don't need to go to war, but we need to focus our minds, turn our minds, engage our minds in something that is going to be edifying to our soul.

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It is going to give us courage and strength and hope. And that is scripture. That is putting our time and energy into the scriptures, being biblically busy, focusing our minds in the word of God so that, and I love how, when

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Aaron and I did the episode on emotionalism, I love what he said, where he said, being able to think rightly about a situation.

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In this situation, my response, is it a biblical response?

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Is it an appropriate response based on scripture? It's my response, not reaction.

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And there's the key. You got to take a breath and not react. Right. And make sure that you're responding is my response.

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And I feel like there are a lot of people on social media today, especially on Twitter, on X.

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That if they would just filter themselves through these two things, it would save a lot of the backbiting that we're seeing right now against one another.

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Is my response glorifying to God and informed by scripture? Period. Right.

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Period. Is my response glorifying to God. And when I say glorifying to God, I mean, if Jesus Christ himself was physically sitting next to you right here, you would be.

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That's cool. Right. That passes muster. That represents him well.

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And one way to make sure you do that is to make sure it's according to the scripture. They go together. Right.

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Oh, gosh. So, yeah. And that will help us when we look at what's going on,

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Hamas, Israel, what could be eventually coming into our soil and what's trying to come into our soil through our border.

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Praise the Lord for those border patrol agents who, who, who have the awareness and the ability to stop them thinking about it through the lens of scripture responding, not reacting.

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Right. And, and this kind of gets back into more of the emotionalism thing. Right. And so when

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I was talking to, when Aaron and I had our discussion about emotionalism, it really centers around adrenaline.

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Right. Because I was, I was telling him about how I don't respond to things or react in a certain way.

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And it's keeping your adrenaline under control. How many times have you done that for those of us that are married with our spouse?

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Right. Right. Right. Because when my, if I don't control the adrenaline that comes through my emotions,

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I'm reacting. Yeah. When I can, can control it,

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I'm able to stop, take a breath, say, is my thinking rightly about, am

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I thinking rightly through the word of God, through truth in order to respond correctly.

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Correct. And how do I not respond? I'm not to respond by saying, well, that has nothing to do with me.

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Let them, let them kill it, kill themselves. That's not the proper response. Nope. I'm not to respond with, well,

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Hamas is unbelievers. Jews are unbelievers. I don't care.

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They're, you know, if they were to die today, they're both going to receive judgment from God, whatever. That's not how

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I respond. Okay. My response should be an immediate going to prayer.

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That should be my first response. Lord, give us more mercy.

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Give us more of your mercy. Yep. You know, how many times brother

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I've, I've, I've had to say, I mean, whether it's been, like I said a second ago, like I've been married by God's grace.

01:00:50

This month was 15 years. Uh, and it is God's grace. Um, but you know how many times I've had to say in moments, you know, with disagreement where I've had to literally,

01:01:00

I got to walk away. I got to take a walk. And I prayed the prayer. Very simple. Lord, call me down. Lord, please call me down.

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This is not glorifying to you. I, I don't want to react. I want to respond. It's that simple. It's that simple.

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And you'd be surprised to take, taking a walk. And I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm tired of it.

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If you just, just, just stop, take, take a minute, just, just take a breath.

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Right. Just think about things for a moment. You eventually you will come to a place where your mind says

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I Don't have to respond. Yeah, I just don't I can

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I can just let it ride. I don't know I don't have to respond to people calling me to debate or whatever

01:02:20

And I don't have to be the person trying to challenge someone come debate me come debate me come debate me

01:02:25

Yeah, you know get whoever you want on your side. We'll have whoever we want on our side, you know, whatever No, if we just stop how about this how about how about you tell me your side, right?

01:02:36

You tell me your side and this really skewed into Christian nationalism, but you don't Chris you tell me tell me your side

01:02:43

Okay, okay that that that that's how you're viewing. That's your okay. No, how can I pray for you with that?

01:02:49

You know, yeah here. Let me tell you my side. Okay? Okay, and then the other person says, you know, how can

01:02:56

I pray for you in that? You know, I don't have to agree with your view and your approach I view you as a brother

01:03:02

Yeah, I'm not I can't cast you out of the kingdom I mean you as a brother, but how can

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I pray for you in that endeavor? Okay, cool well, and dude, it's roof

01:03:14

I Have seen so many people And this is I mean, yes, it's a little bit of an aside

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But it but it but it still it still goes with the dear Tara said she left Twitter a long time ago You should come back

01:03:26

Dee -dee the way he's lying on here I would I would love to follow

01:03:32

D because she drops in some some golden. She does she dropped some knowledge on here, bro. Mm -hmm

01:03:38

Like so getting a week out here. Here's let me just okay. I'm gonna get myself in trouble.

01:03:44

All right When it comes to the conversation around Christian nationalism

01:03:53

Cessation ism versus continuationism and Calvinism versus Armenian now are many is not the same as Armenian like we're talking in right?

01:04:01

That's right. That's right So but but but here's here's here's something I find interesting with each of those people all those people that get into these spats on social media and I'm gonna invite myself onto your podcast and here you know, it's gonna be six on one

01:04:15

Oh, but James White did it so it's okay, you know, you can do it It's like no just just there seems always to be one side that is steeped in so much immaturity

01:04:28

That it's it's it's ugly It's just I just won't look at you and be like you ugly just stop like Are you patient?

01:04:39

Are you kind? Are you jealous or you not? Are you bragging?

01:04:44

Are you puffed up? You know are like how you're acting is unbecoming and you're seeking your own and you're provoked and and You know you you you rejoicing if there's unrighteousness and you're not rejoicing with truth

01:05:02

So you're not burying in all things. You're not believing in all things. And here's the thing You're not hoping in all things or enduring in all things.

01:05:08

You're doing the very opposite of what Paul said in first Corinthians 13 You're acting like in your immaturity you're acting like a noisy gong and a clangy clanging cymbal because you have not loved

01:05:19

Shut up. Yeah, just stop. Yeah, you know, what would have been great

01:05:25

What would have been great is a couple weeks ago When after the show you me and Han holds my daughter if we could have recorded that So that would have been a great a great episode with you by the way

01:05:41

Han holds Feel free to come on because I would love to get your your thoughts and your perspective on that's my dude

01:05:47

And that's what's going on in Israel, and I know he just got a new office set up.

01:05:52

All right, I've seen it I've seen him post it is But real quick before you get in hold on to what you're gonna say

01:05:59

Jason cave he he who keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps his soul from troubles

01:06:05

Proverbs 23 amen send it That's it man, you know, so it's like it's just a couple days ago.

01:06:15

What's today the 19th? Yeah a couple days ago Pastor Mark Driscoll Cessation ism is the closest a

01:06:26

Christian can get to atheism Without abandoning the faith entirely

01:06:32

It is skeptical unbiblical nonsense that leads to cold -hearted critical people

01:06:40

Quote -unquote That was a tweet that pastor

01:06:48

It's an air quotes for you people listening to the podcast after and don't see me Who like hon holds his comment right there

01:06:55

Chris almost just said Driscoll is a dork. I love it That's a kind way of putting it.

01:07:02

That is a kind way of putting it. That is I would use I'm tempted to use a stronger word, but I you know

01:07:10

Look at that. Look at the way he was and and by the way, he he took it a step further yesterday and compared

01:07:19

He compared Cessation ists and cessation ism to Satan himself

01:07:31

There's nothing loving about that right well also tell me you don't understand Cessation ism without he does no he does and that's

01:07:39

I Responded to him and I said this cold -hearted and critical posts you've called, you know, you know, you're being factious

01:07:45

We've graciously replied to you and asked you to stop doing this, you know better You know, you know that there's nothing biblically skeptical skeptical about the doctrine of cessation ism.

01:07:55

It's quite the opposite It's we're we're biblically discerning and skeptical of people You know, it's like good night.

01:08:02

But but going back to the thing with with with Israel like that That's we have to make sure that we are and it's a it's hard it's hard to make sure that you're being as all -sided and trying to take a step back and Make sure that you're looking at examining everything through the lens of Scripture Right, and that's something we we don't do because We have this thing called ego

01:08:32

Right. Yeah. Yeah, we have this thing called ego. I don't have any go Yeah, be sure to get

01:08:39

Chris's Chris's debut Book called how to be humble like me yeah, so dropping dropping this spring this coming up spring, but Can you can you put up a bond servant for Jesus's comment right there the last one?

01:08:57

Yeah Amen sis. She does usually avoid Facebook fights.

01:09:03

I think I think this really Gonna change my mind and I oh she's saying

01:09:10

I think this is really gonna change my mind and I think no So I don't do it. Yes Look, I I don't know about you guys

01:09:19

I've never read An opposing position of Something on social media and had my mind changed

01:09:33

I mean, I don't care if you have verified Twitter and you can write thousands of characters I don't care if it's it's you know

01:09:39

Instagram where you can put a bunch of Facebook you can put a bunch and you just go back and forth and Type away, you know what your heart's content.

01:09:46

You're not gonna change someone's mind like, you know, you know what? I always do and you've seen me do it a bunch. I'm like I May address one or two comments, but I always say hey if you want to talk further about this.

01:09:57

Let me know man We'll exchange information. I'll jump on the phone with you And it's amazing how very few people some do but very few people take me up on them

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All right now back to our program Let's see.

01:13:10

I'm trying to see if any any comments came in or any questions Did you see any you wanted me to put up?

01:13:16

Oh look real quick. I mean people just saying yeah I mean, we don't have fights on social media Just school being contradictory.

01:13:25

Yeah, I see this this comment from James G He says and this is the way he's saying isn't that contradictory to I believe if God is against pride

01:13:34

Why is Zionism a nationalist movement permitted in the

01:13:39

Bible? Maybe I don't maybe

01:13:52

I'm not quite understanding the question or where he's It's coming from Unless you want to respond to it

01:14:02

Yeah, I kind of agree with D or Tara she said and where is that exactly I Think I think what he's trying to say is is comparing to comparing to Israel being

01:14:14

God's chosen people And Christian nationalism probably that's Zionism It's not

01:14:24

But Well here in the world standards. Anyway, so but right. Well, well, here's my thing right and We don't want to talk about Israel what's going on Israel to be eschatological, right?

01:14:37

And we specifically talked we specifically talked about that. I should have mentioned it at the beginning of the show and I didn't yeah

01:14:42

But we didn't want that discussion to be eschatological but so from my perspective as a

01:14:51

Post -millennialist, right? We wouldn't say replacement theology. I think that's a very very bad term

01:14:57

Absolutely, but I would say there's a continuity to where God's chosen people are

01:15:03

Christians they are his those are his people because that's who Christ died for Christ died for the church.

01:15:10

That's the Bride of Christ And so the talking about Zionism national nationalist movement from it

01:15:17

I mean because when I'm talking about the people of God I view that view that as the church and I don't see quite the

01:15:24

Church as the national as a nationalist movement, right? I understand we are a part of God's kingdom and we are to Assist in advancing that kingdom through the proclamation of the gospel

01:15:36

But I don't see that as I don't know taking over government or anything like that But I see

01:15:44

I don't know I see I see God's people as the church not necessarily Israel At the moment, but that doesn't mean

01:15:51

Israel can't become part of the church, right? In fact, I would say that's something we should pray for and something that's going to happen something that's going to happen

01:16:01

Yeah, absolutely Moving on Book in verse, please.

01:16:07

I know Melissa. No comment. No comment. No comment All right, let's see, well,

01:16:15

I'm not seeing any any questions come in really, I Mean what happened to open

01:16:21

Q &A send us your questions, right? I know right send it what you guys got I know come on. Send us your questions.

01:16:26

What do you got? Oh dang What do you see that comment Melissa just dropped? Doug Wilson would disagree.

01:16:34

Okay. Oh Let's talk about this for a minute Melissa, I love you sis

01:16:43

So and you know, Melissa and I are friends on Facebook so she sees my post so she knows kind of where I stand

01:16:50

But Here's my thing with Doug Wilson, okay

01:16:56

When I think when Doug writes on the culture, I like his writing I don't particularly like his preaching and just some stuff he does but I really do like his writing and particularly when he writes on the culture and basic and The Christian worldview how we should view the culture, right?

01:17:17

Because he says a lot of good and helpful things Okay, go ahead

01:17:26

I disagree so I review wrong. Go ahead. Yeah, wait invite me on your podcast. Oh, wait, wait Okay, I personally

01:17:38

This is just my personal opinion, I don't know Doug never met Doug never talked to Doug I've only met him once I've never

01:17:45

I've never you know, and and you know there've been people that have come out and said that they don't think that Doug Wilson is a believer because of the whole federal vision thing

01:17:53

And etc, so and so forth. I don't agree with that either However For me, and I know

01:18:02

I'm not alone in this There's in that entire crew There is too much of a hold on worldly carnality.

01:18:14

Yes For me to even entertain.

01:18:19

This is just me personally. I am NOT trying to bind the conscious of anybody listening to this For me to entertain anything he would say correctly about the culture

01:18:29

Because of the hold they have on the on the carnal the language the way that they parade their

01:18:35

Christian Liberty around Is in my opinion based upon what I read in scripture is conduct on becoming of a pastor and should not be imitated by believers

01:18:46

Sure, sure Because of that, yeah, so because of that I would rather I would rather listen to people address the culture

01:18:56

Mm -hmm who are Seeking after and promoting holiness and godliness in all aspects of their lives

01:19:03

Prime example that would be just thinking and Daryl and Virgil. Yeah You know, they address the culture

01:19:10

I think with more precision Because something about Doug too and again,

01:19:16

I'm not trying to bash the brother. Well, he's a he's very he's very wide He's very vague. He's very wide.

01:19:22

It's very over simplified Well, he's a he is as people would say he is a wordsmith so he knows how to use correct correct

01:19:29

No, Richard, correct. He knows He knows he knows how to use them according to the audience

01:19:35

He's speaking to correct and so so like when when D right here says, mr

01:19:41

Christian nationalist Doug Wilson Doug would come and he would say well, what do you mean by Christian nationalists?

01:19:46

And that's a good question to ask right and or that's a good question to ask. Yeah, or you know the theonomist

01:19:52

Well, what do you mean by theonomy? Let's define terms. The problem is sometimes the definition in one group is

01:20:02

Going to be one thing and then the definition with another correct another so sometimes you hear him and you go Yeah, I agree with that and sometimes you hear him and you go.

01:20:09

I don't quite agree with that So now so I hear what you're saying, right? I I hear what you're saying about It Finding it hard to Listen to anything that he would say right because we would agree and we've talked about this

01:20:25

I said, it's right. It is right. I'm not saying it's wrong, right? And and Han holds and I talked about this and he knows some things that that how

01:20:33

I view some of those fight left these guys right Yeah I'm not a huge fan

01:20:43

Because of The carnality the language But at the same time right you just said he does say some there's there are things that are right sure

01:20:53

So I can't dismiss the things that would be correct, right? So and so and here's how

01:20:59

I would kind of Explain that we would say Adolf Hitler is an evil person was an evil person

01:21:05

Right, but if Adolf Hitler is teaching two plus two equals four, which is a true statement, right?

01:21:12

I'm gonna have to go verify that Can I not hold to that as a true statement because he's evil

01:21:20

I can hold to it as a true statement But I don't have to say I hold to it as a true statement because Adolf Hitler said it and I think right

01:21:27

Well, we gotta be careful. We gotta be careful comparing Adolf Hitler with Doug Wilson Some people in my own camp might cruise up by me

01:21:36

But but but but no and I agree because here's the thing, right? I wouldn't hold to it because Adolf Hitler said it

01:21:45

I would hold to it because the truth it's a truth So I don't necessarily hold to things Doug Wilson says as true because he's

01:21:53

Doug Wilson. I Would hold to them because what he's saying is actually true

01:21:58

It's something that's verifiable and when we break it down in terms of logic reason God's not a liar

01:22:04

The Christian worldview we would say that's true. Even if there are times where I would say hey, hey

01:22:11

Doug I don't think you're actually living according to the Christian world or speaking according to the crime world

01:22:16

Right some right some of the language that you with the the kind of the exploitation of Christian Liberty at times, correct, right?

01:22:24

so I think what you're I think the point that you're saying that really sums the whole thing up is

01:22:32

It's not true just because this person I like that It's true because it's true it's a biblical truth and it's it's a verifiable truth, correct?

01:22:46

And Yes, yes, it just I wish there are things, you know

01:22:51

Like I would never and again, this is just personal opinion for me. So let me just preface it by saying that Never met the man.

01:22:59

Okay But even if I heard something that Doug said was true. I'm not gonna quote

01:23:04

Doug anywhere Because of the hold and the Promotion of the carnality.

01:23:10

Sure. I don't want anybody going Honestly, brother. I don't want anybody In in any kind of circle of influence that the

01:23:17

Lord may or may not be given me and and I don't want to point anybody To when

01:23:22

Harry what is it when Harry met Sally? No, it's what is the name of that book? ride

01:23:28

Sally ride ride Sally ride like I don't want any of my Friend like people that would listen to me and I don't want them to go find that and read that I don't want them to in the same way in because because let's you know, like let's just be real social media is

01:23:48

Not real life, right? But but should the

01:23:54

Lord choose to Give you the opportunity to have what's up little buddy.

01:24:03

Oh, he got a haircut. It looks good, man Yeah should should the

01:24:09

Lord give me the opportunity to give anybody the opportunity to have any sort of following on a platform like as a believer

01:24:17

Especially as someone who who has the title of pastor whether it's warranted or not aka

01:24:23

Mark Driscoll You know, they have a responsibility to steward those followers.

01:24:29

Well You know like there's a there's a there's a close friend of mine right now

01:24:35

I don't agree with what he promotes on his social media. I'm not gonna say who it is I've had the conversation with him in private multiple people have but he puts things on his social media that he shouldn't oh my gosh and And that could cause someone to stumble like if I if I get it

01:24:52

Doug Wilson Right some of the things I've heard Doug Wilson say with these. I'm like, amen right on and I go be like, hey, yo

01:24:59

Quote Doug Wilson and they're like, oh man, what is this? Oh, he's got a book Oh, man, he writes and you know, he's a good oratory.

01:25:07

He's a great wordsmith. He's got these books What's ride Sally ride and then they go read that what if they're struggling with?

01:25:13

Lust what if they're struggling with you know, and and I understand you can't live your life like by the what -ifs

01:25:20

But you know the whole point of being a pastor is you your faith should be able to be imitated

01:25:27

And if you're held on to the carnality of this world and promoting it as Christian Liberty because your eschatology is the eschatology of hope and so you can just It's it's bored.

01:25:38

It can be it can lead to antinomian ism You're not saying it is not saying that Doug would promote that or cross -politic or any of those dudes

01:25:47

But yeah, yeah He doesn't feel good that's why that's why he's up that's why

01:25:54

I was up but uh so That is

01:26:06

The Christian Liberty part is what kills me right?

01:26:11

Yeah, and It leads into and I've I've heard this right

01:26:20

The idea of well We don't need to shelter our kids because the world is

01:26:27

R -rated So it's almost that we need to be exposing right don't keep them from don't muffle their ears because someone says a bad word

01:26:35

Right. Well, no Sorry That's just because the world's are rated

01:26:44

Doesn't mean I have to expose my kids to in fact because I want my kids To be safe.

01:26:50

I want them to be protected I want them to know the difference between right and wrong who if I'm constantly exposing them to those things

01:26:57

What does that tell them right let's say I've got a ten -year -old son, right and I'm Constantly constantly constantly in bringing him to places that are full of just vulgarity sure and and nastiness and sensualness

01:27:15

What does that tell him? Now I can say I can say all day. Okay, son. Do you see that?

01:27:21

That's wrong I Can say all day that's wrong

01:27:29

But it speaks louder that I keep continuing to bring him to those places Absolutely, because all

01:27:36

I'm saying is it's wrong, but it's okay to be here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but good here's a here's a good example, man, and Melissa said that's my biggest problem with Doug Wilson Jeff Durbin, etc

01:27:50

Yeah now now hold let me address that real just real quick. Well, yeah, I was gonna I was gonna defend

01:27:55

Durbin, okay Yeah, I was gonna defend Jeff Jeff's come a long way since since dropping some profanity incident

01:28:03

Yeah, he's come a long way since then and and there's still some things that are questionable, but but I appreciate

01:28:11

I've come to really love and appreciate the ministry of Jeff Durbin And I think

01:28:16

James White being where he is has been a good influence on Jeff and vice versa So so yeah, so Jeff Jeff, I agree.

01:28:25

I asked drew I was oh, yeah I was I was in that camp for a while. So it was something you said man brought up something so a couple months ago,

01:28:33

I Got to go to Virginia for a day to hang out with the GBR s voice and I got this hat and it's

01:28:42

One that they did for extortion one seven and on this side it says long live the

01:28:47

Brotherhood And then it's got the number of guys who died that day. So extortion one seven was the

01:28:54

Chinook helicopter that was shot down and in August 2017 and Seals died pilots died

01:29:06

Pakistani force died and a lot of friends of the guys at GBR s and so when I got back When I got back y 'all

01:29:14

I had this hat on and my son is seven he asked about it And it's like what is that?

01:29:22

And I paused for a second and my initial reaction was You know, I'll just I'll nothing but it's just a hat

01:29:29

I got from the GPR s guys because he knows, you know, who DJ is and all those guys and so So I was like, you know what?

01:29:36

No, I'm gonna tell it I'm gonna tell him like well buddy, you know, and I explained it to him on his level

01:29:42

I explained it to him explained who they were explained what happened Not wanting to shelter him from that because that's real.

01:29:48

These guys were brave brave soldiers seals still team six tier -one operators who lost their lives and there's a lot of mystery a lot of controversy around what happened with that mission and And so that was months ago yesterday.

01:30:04

We were playing outside. No, I put that hat on And he goes, oh that makes and we joked around about the

01:30:10

Chinook being a flying school bus And that's what it looks like. It's like a school bus or two road, right? And I and he was busting that he goes, oh man extortion one seven

01:30:19

He goes, are you are you wearing that for the for the seals who died? Like and he so he's able to understand it.

01:30:26

He's like those were brave soldiers. That's what he said You know, so we talked about that. So it's important to share that stuff with our kids

01:30:32

It's important our kids see that but it needs to be on on their level I know that's not what we're talking about. But but you know, but to your point, it's like no we we don't shelter absolutely, but we

01:30:43

We also we also can explain it in a way that's on their level and doesn't promote Vulgarity and carnal behavior, right?

01:30:50

Right and you can tell the difference in the kids, right? Yeah So so let's just take for example your son, right?

01:30:58

Compared to someone else his age that's constantly being exposed to this to the r -rated world, right?

01:31:05

So whenever your son Shows up on Marco or something, right?

01:31:10

Yeah, you know He is like the sweetest kid Yeah, right now now, of course, he's also like any other kid, right?

01:31:19

You know, he doesn't always behave or do what he's told Who to fuck it, right

01:31:26

But come but he is, you know, one of these sweetest kids Compared to someone else's age

01:31:34

Kids that I that I've seen that you can just go anywhere and see and They're their language

01:31:41

Matches the language of the rest of the world. Yeah, and and I'm not just saying

01:31:47

Thematically, I'm talking Vulgarity, I'm talking Exploratory.

01:31:53

Yeah. Yep. We see it in our Our subdivision playground all the time We know and I'll be outside and we're playing and he won't be paying attention because he's running around like a banshee

01:32:05

But You know right up from the playground. I can hear kids his age down there and I can hear what they're saying Yeah, and it's yeah same thing.

01:32:12

So well, yeah So here's what Jason Cave says speak truth to our children always and here's the thing about Jason So Jason will call me from time to time and Jason will you know, he'll take road trips and do stuff with his kids

01:32:28

And what you know what they're listening to they're listening to matter of theology. They're listening to past apologetics live

01:32:36

They're listening to Christian podcasts. And what is he doing? He's teaching his young children Truth and He's he's able he's there and able to explain things in a way for them to understand it why so that his kids

01:32:51

Don't become like the rest of the world. Yeah Yeah Yeah, it's important it's very important so So yeah,

01:32:59

I mean that's going back to what kicked off that that little rabbit hole that that's that that's my opinion as far as Dougie Wills and that whole crew is you know?

01:33:12

What kind of Christian nationalism are you talking about? Well that I mean that gets to another another point and we've talked about it often on here defining terms

01:33:24

What James G All right, let's see what he says Israel just bombed a church right now, okay, let me look 200 people inside 200 people is said to be dead your response

01:33:38

My response is as follows. I haven't heard that number one number two To Andrews post

01:33:47

Hamas Hides behind their citizens that hide behind children. They're cowards. They're animals.

01:33:52

They're terrorists. Let me just be frank. They're dogs They need the Lord they need salvation, but justice needs to be done

01:33:58

Let me just a very frank with you so they hide behind their children. They hide behind their citizens They hold them hostage they put weapons caches and hospitals and they have meetings in hospitals

01:34:09

Etc so on and so forth so I haven't heard that and I've been following this pretty closely although for the past you know

01:34:15

What hour and a half hour listening? you know so So, yeah,

01:34:21

I haven't heard that but if that's the case, I'm gonna wait my response James I mean you kind of ask

01:34:27

I feel like in a kind of terse and sarcastic way My response is I'm gonna wait till there's more information out there

01:34:33

If it just happened right now, we don't have all the details which is what we've been talking about, right?

01:34:39

Not reacting but waiting and in order to give a proper response

01:34:44

Yeah, and to your point what you're saying about they hide behind They hide behind innocent people they have behind women the high behind children one of the things that Hamas does is

01:34:56

I've already said that they They store weapons and they have bunkers underneath hospitals

01:35:03

That's known they also do it in churches Yep, because one of one of kind of the agreed -upon rules of war supposedly over there

01:35:13

Is that you're not to allow you're not allowed to attack churches mosques synagogues

01:35:19

Hospitals and that's exactly where Hamas Stores all of their weapons.

01:35:24

Yeah, they do it on purpose. They do it on purpose. That's where they they have their meetings In places like that because they know that other people act with a conscience.

01:35:35

Yeah Yep. Yep. And I mean I will say that I mean if it

01:35:43

Okay, let me let me let me just throw another I was gonna say grenade.

01:35:48

That's not the right thing to say. Sorry Let me just throw another log on this fire. I'm of the opinion from a tactical military standpoint

01:35:58

In this type of situation if There is an

01:36:04

HVT on target high value target and You yeah

01:36:12

And there are casualties You know collateral damage You know if it's gonna if it's gonna help do justice then

01:36:21

I'm you know I'm not okay with it because it's innocent life lost, but it's justifiable to me

01:36:27

And and a lot of people don't feel that way and a lot of people well Well, well the question the question we also have to ask is is are those it let's say there are 200 people that are said

01:36:37

To be dead are those 200 people innocent people or are they innocent or are they people of Hamas? We don't know that's the thing yeah, so I'm yeah, like I said, man,

01:36:46

I've been following This very closely and all the accounts that I follow that have been truthful

01:36:52

Trey yanks with Fox News, which he's reporting most of stuff not on Fox News on Twitter. He's been spot -on

01:37:01

With stuff He hasn't reported anything and he's been he's been On it

01:37:07

Colin rug has also been been pretty quick with the information There is nothing anywhere about a hospital just being bombed.

01:37:17

So yeah Yeah, we've got a comment here from Shamish thanks for the sensible response.

01:37:27

Thank you You know, yeah, we try to be it's not it's not look it's not it's not an easy situation, right?

01:37:36

All right. It's not like people. It's like not. Yeah people died It's like no man, like yeah, we mourned that Celebrate that we don't even celebrate the death of the wicked like we don't write that like But we say we will say amen and that is just that is a justifiable response

01:37:56

Yeah, yeah, there's there's a difference between celebrating The death of someone and an understanding

01:38:06

God's justice or or righteous justice In response through self -defense.

01:38:13

We understand that there's a there's a difference So Chris we've so drew

01:38:20

Man, we've we've kind of gone on a lot of topics tonight Yeah, I only very very few questions have come in.

01:38:29

Yeah, but I mean we've talked about Response to Israel what's going on to Israel?

01:38:35

We've talked about cessationism again, Mark Driscoll We've talked about Christian nationalism and Doug Wilson Let's see.

01:38:46

What else we can throw here. Yeah, what else can we throw on? We got we got some

01:38:53

We got we got some time Let's see

01:38:59

Yeah going back to James's question Yeah and also there's another count Mario to fall that I've been found following and He's caught some flack for some of the things that he's reported and how quickly but there's nothing

01:39:10

Nothing, though. Do you have a good Bible say sis? Thank you. Appreciate you But what is your Bible study on?

01:39:18

That's what I want to know. What is it on? Yeah, what are you studying? Yeah, I mean, she's probably already gone.

01:39:24

But anyways Yeah, what

01:39:29

I mean, let's see some some in the comments, you know questions or What other topics we can hit that we haven't that we haven't thrown on top of this tonight

01:39:41

What about you Chris what's something that's been rattling your cage

01:39:53

Going back to Driscoll for a second. I think it's interesting that he says that cessationists are

01:40:01

Biblically skip biblical skepticists And my thing is like, you know, it's called discernment and You know, so my question for Mark Driscoll and to my continue.

01:40:16

I mean other continuationists folks out there You know, I a couple weeks ago drew told me

01:40:23

I was too nice to Driscoll because I called him brother but You weren't supposed to say that I Mean I don't know though, right you're fleeing church discipline.

01:40:39

You're being arrogant. You're partnering with false teachers You know, he's in this new documentary about deliverance ministry and supporting it and you know, so I just think it's interesting that the people say that to say that Cessationism has no warrant in Scripture are the very same people who want more than Scripture, right?

01:41:02

you know and I've been studying second Peter this week and it's Peter I Know we already hit on a little bit, but I just I want to read this because Peter In second

01:41:16

Peter he says for we did not make known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ following cleverly devised myths, but But being eyewitnesses of his majesty

01:41:26

For when he received honor and glory from God the Father such an utterance as this was made to him by the majestic glory

01:41:33

This is my beloved son with whom I'm well pleased. He's talking about transfiguration right there Think about what he said or what he saw what they saw on that and the veil of Christ's flesh was removed

01:41:44

So he sees that verse 18 out of a second Peter 1 He says and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain

01:41:55

So Peter's saying we've seen all this we've experienced all this think about what

01:42:00

Peter did Preaching at Pentecost the Holy Spirit comes down in tongues like fire.

01:42:06

They're all speaking No languages to people that have gathered around 3 ,000 are saved and the church explodes across the world

01:42:16

Peter healed Peter was given the gift of healing given the gift of tongues given the gift of prophecy

01:42:23

Peter was given those things yet he says and we have as more sure the prophetic word to Which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place until the day dawns in the morning star rises in your hearts

01:42:40

It's I I don't understand how Somebody like Driscoll or continuationists out there when they when they wrongly misrepresent and critique cessationist

01:42:50

And I'm like just stop you're saying you don't have enough you're saying scripture isn't enough for you, right?

01:42:58

Stop and reset start over brother sister whoever it is So yeah Just thought something was rattling on my head earlier today.

01:43:06

No. No, it's a good thought because We look and we say all we all we need is scripture scripture is

01:43:14

Sufficient, right? Well, that's often that's often what people leave out when they say

01:43:19

Yeah, I believe scripture is authoritative and inerrant and infallible. They leave off Sufficient and they the reason they leave it off is because no scripture is not sufficient for them

01:43:31

Which is why they must have scripture plus extra biblical revelation Scripture plus, you know, whatever it may be so Yeah, that's a good point to make

01:43:46

I want to I want to bring up this There's some good comments in here now, man. Yeah, where was this like an hour ago?

01:43:52

Come on. No Here's what I wanted to bring up because we've tackled this we tackled this a couple years ago

01:44:01

So Melissa asks we did that or she says we could tackle the taboo Conversation about what families should do if physical persecution should come.

01:44:10

Oh So so the reason I brought this up because we did how long did we do an hour?

01:44:17

And a half to two hours, maybe two and a half hours something like that We did a matter of theology episode called training for persecution.

01:44:24

Yep And it was very it was also very heavy in Puritan quotes and writings

01:44:31

Because of because we were referencing the Puritans and what the Puritans went through with persecution.

01:44:37

I Mean you had people who like John Bunyan who was arrested and thrown in prison

01:44:42

Because he was preaching without a license. Mm -hmm, right you had Samuel Rutherford who was arrested and thrown in prison

01:44:50

Because he came up against the the government of Scotland and he said things that they didn't like and So this would actually be a good topic to discuss

01:45:05

My only thing is I don't think we have enough time to talk about it because of how in -depth we went with it

01:45:10

Yeah, so on our episode so I would say yeah go check out that episode That was a good one.

01:45:15

That was a good one go check that out, but Couple things

01:45:22

I would say we can we can address it quickly and I saw another comment in there too, but um, I think one of the things

01:45:28

I did that interview with Jason cave you don't give me a trouble

01:45:35

But they don't argue with you Jason no, they don't not according to mark Driscoll and Donald general mark Driscoll they don't argue with you

01:45:40

Um, you just got daddy issues is what you have. That's it. That's it. So what

01:45:46

I was interviewing Excuse me, James Coates For MOT when his book his and Nathan's book a perfect time for a tickle mother

01:45:58

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01:46:09

I think I got it. Um So but James talks about that.

01:46:14

He's like, you know, what do you do? How do you he gets the question all the time, you know, and and I've heard him. I heard him a g3.

01:46:20

He got a g3 How do you prepare for this? How do you prepare for that? that that persecution when it comes and and I think

01:46:28

I think Because of what was happening to James was one of the things that kind of led to us doing that episode.

01:46:33

Mm -hmm Yeah, so so but here's here's something he said he said You know and and I've heard

01:46:41

Vodie Bachum kind of say this as well he's like you can never There's not really much you can do to prepare for that moment

01:46:49

What you can do to prepare? Should that ever come Lord, you know, but by God's sovereign providence

01:46:57

It's just to be faithful. Mm -hmm be faithful in every aspect of your life Just in every aspect everything you think everything you say everything you do just be faithful And if you're if your goal is faithfulness and obedience

01:47:11

Then when that moment comes There'll be no question about how you're gonna respond, right?

01:47:17

If you are biblically busy as Kosti would say if you are steeped in the word If you love the law of Yahweh If you are living according to Colossians 3 1 through 17 every day

01:47:31

Then when the Lord calls on you in that moment, you will be prepared

01:47:37

One of my he's becoming a very good friend I've gotten to know him over the last couple years, but at g3 this brother and I were talking.

01:47:48

It's Mark MacArthur. It's John's son and we were catching up and he dropped a bomb of a quote on me that I Have not stopped thinking about since g3

01:48:01

He said this he was talking about how John's doing health -wise and everything that John's experienced in his ministry career and all of the things that that all the battles that he's faced and all the

01:48:12

The ways that the Lord has just given him an extra measure of discernment and being able to see these battles coming from so far off So but he dropped this this bomb and I'm I had to sit back.

01:48:22

I heard that fresco pop He said this and I quote He said, you know

01:48:28

Chris Nothing in this world can come against a life of compounded faithfulness hmm, and And and I just kind of shook my head for a second.

01:48:43

He was like, right, right I said, well, can you just say that again? And we were laughing and he said nothing in this world can come against a life of compounded faithfulness and in that moment

01:48:57

Because of such as some stuff that's been going on in my life and and just things the Lord's doing in me and us and That that quote like that hit hard but in the best way

01:49:07

So I think a good answer to that is you know, what should families do if physical persecutions come?

01:49:15

Nothing in this world No physical persecution. No verbal person. No persecution of any kind nothing in this world can come against a life of compounded faithfulness

01:49:24

With where you are when that moment comes when that moment arises you stop you take a breath you pray and you respond

01:49:33

Whatever that looks like now obviously from a practical standpoint We could talk about how to prepare spiritually how to prepare physically how to prepare mentally emotionally so so forth, but just Broad answer 30 ,000 foot answer just be faithful, right?

01:49:46

Yeah that that that's where it begins Personal faithfulness personal holiness

01:49:55

Being Biblically minded but cut back to Kosti's point being biblically busy busy because what that's gonna do is that's gonna play out in our everyday life and It's going to it's going to begin to play out in those who don't who don't persecute us

01:50:13

Physically, but those who maybe want to argue with us or belittle us right though those who who want to instill a fear of man in us

01:50:24

Where we compromise and we capitulate bro. Now you want to open that can Well, I mean we got 10 minutes, you know

01:50:32

But because what we see a lot of right is compromise. Mm -hmm Christians compromise on what scripture says

01:50:39

Mm -hmm. Well, if you can if you continually compromise on what scripture says, okay

01:50:44

I'll have some leeway here leeway here leeway here before you know it. You're Andy Stanley, right?

01:50:50

downgrade That's all the guys are If I'm continually compromising and capitulating to what man says because of a fear of man and what the world says

01:51:01

Then when persecution comes I will not be able to bear up under the weight of it

01:51:06

I will be the first one that says not me. I'm not I'm not one of those

01:51:12

Christians Remember that sermon at Chef Khan in 2019 when Bodhi said? Yeah, he was preaching to second

01:51:17

Timothy and he's just like yeah look I would not have written that letter Yeah, he's like persecutions gonna come and he said yeah, if I would have

01:51:24

I wouldn't have written that letter I would have been like, hey, can you get the dudes who broke the jail cell and broke the jail cell open?

01:51:29

But what did Bodhi say? He's like, you know what? Persecution is coming. But guess what all you got to do if you want to avoid it.

01:51:35

It's very simple. Just compromise Yeah, just compromise. I was like dang Yeah, oh

01:51:43

That's it good stuff What was that? Yeah, I would I would say go check out our episode on training for persecution

01:51:51

And I want to go back and listen to that. I want to go back and listen to it now That and I and we say that humbly by the way, it's not like I'm gonna go listen to myself

01:51:59

Because I know I had what we talked about right, but I know there were I had a lot of quotes from like John Bunyan I think

01:52:07

I may have had a William Tyndale quote in there, but they were so good But they're refreshing to the soul. I think you had some over forced in there too, man

01:52:14

I don't know that I don't know that I did. I'm I don't know. I don't I don't really quote

01:52:19

William Wilberforce but But yeah those

01:52:26

Those quotes are so edifying to the soul and I want to remember what they are So which which comment were you talking about well

01:52:36

Jason right after Melissa's Jason's like thoughts on the the Gog and Magog prophecy And Armenia Armenia and Turkey today against Israel Yeah What are your thoughts

01:52:48

I have to do some more research to be honest, yeah, I would do I don't know

01:52:55

This moment. I don't know. I can do some research and then Shamasha Shemesh. I'm sorry from saying name wrong, man

01:53:00

But suffering personal loss in a war changes everything. You think you know about something?

01:53:05

That's the truth, brother Yeah, praying cripple, you know praying Christians will understand this when dealing with the

01:53:10

Israel subject. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that Yep, absolutely. I agree wholeheartedly with that one.

01:53:16

Yep. Everybody's like he's still choking the water boy Agua. Yeah, right Quality h2o

01:53:23

Yeah, so, all right. We've we've covered a lot tonight And one of the things that I think was really kind of the catalyst for tonight was

01:53:35

Understanding and I think and it was Aaron that said it The same sin that lives in Hamas and drives

01:53:42

Hamas to do the things they're doing the terroristic murderous acts that they're doing is the same sin That lives within our hearts that lead us to do the sins that even we don't think are that big of a deal

01:53:55

They're deserving of death is what they are. Absolutely So that same that same sin

01:54:03

Indwells us and what we must seek to do is we must seek to put it to death

01:54:09

Continually wage war against it So even though and here's the thing Chris, even though we may not be soldiers fighting in a war

01:54:16

We are still fighting an eternal war Absolutely one that one that deals with sin and has a very real enemy and and it's an enemy that wants to kill us

01:54:26

Yep, and what we must do is we must wage war back And we must wage war against that sin and the way we do that is

01:54:36

By took it turning to Christ By repenting of our sin by looking to Christ who came to live out the righteous standard of the law

01:54:47

Who went to the cross in our place who took what would be the wages that were due us?

01:54:55

For that sin even the sin that we don't think is so bad He took the weight and the guilt and the shame of that sin to the cross and Bore it on our behalf.

01:55:05

That's right. He died the death we deserve and Then he was buried and he rose again on the third day conquering sin death hell in the grave he carried that sin away from us so that When we look upon him we repent of our sin we believe on him

01:55:23

We are now clothed in his righteousness So that when God looks at us, he doesn't see us in our sin

01:55:31

He does he doesn't see the filthiness that we truly are.

01:55:37

He sees us clothed in Christ's righteousness and then he looks at the cross and he sees our sin paid for and So what we must do is we must live as though that is actually true

01:55:53

We must not flaunt Christian Liberty, right nothing

01:55:59

Nothing displays our disbelief in Christ more than our flaunting of Christian Liberty whoa

01:56:08

Say that again No, say that again. Nothing displays our disbelief in Christ more than when we flaunt our

01:56:16

Christian Liberty That's a tweet

01:56:23

Because I mean think about it are there are there things of which we have Liberty to do

01:56:30

Yes But just as Paul says all things are beneficial for me But not all things are are

01:56:36

I can do all things but not all things are beneficial Not all things are things are profitable. Not all things are good.

01:56:42

So just because I can that doesn't mean I should Because I also have to think and you say this all the time.

01:56:48

I have to think about the optics Who am I around who am I causing to stumble?

01:56:55

Because I want to flaunt Christian Liberty. What's that? That's ego. That's tried

01:57:01

That's a that's saying you know what I I can do this and you should just you should just be tough enough to be able

01:57:07

To withstand me doing it in your presence. No, that's ego. That's sin right,

01:57:14

I Mean that that's not dying to self that's elevating self. And so we need to put ego to death

01:57:21

We need to put pride to death. We need to submit ourselves to Christ and say even

01:57:27

Christian Liberty I'm gonna put it aside for the sake of my brothers those those who

01:57:33

I know are stumbling and those Who I don't know are stumbling. Yeah And so we must submit ourselves to Christ.

01:57:41

We must repent of sin We must continually be looking to Christ and be being biblically busy.

01:57:47

That's a tough one to say be being biblically busy Like that's a tough one.

01:57:53

That's a tough one. That's a tough one. But anyways, we want to thank you for joining us tonight on apologetics live a a huge huge Show of many topics.

01:58:07

Yeah kind of all over the place. Yeah, we were kind of all over the place but But you stuck with us stuck it out

01:58:16

Next week Andrew is supposed to be back So unless God providentially hinders him from from being here

01:58:24

Andrew will be here. My goal, of course is to be here as well and I wasn't here last week

01:58:29

Some of you know Andrew announced it. It was my wife's birthday So we went out with the family for my wife's birthday and then

01:58:37

I took my wife and the kids to Tennessee Chattanooga We had just kind of a weekend getaway as a family that was really fun and my kids really dude

01:58:49

Did you see did you see the pictures that I said? Yeah. Okay. Okay. I got it.

01:58:54

So For those who don't know my kids They love water.

01:59:01

They love playing in. Oh, yeah. Yeah as if water is there

01:59:07

Forget it. They're they're gone. They just they want to be in it playing it all the time So when we go to the creation to the creative Discovery Discovery Museum.

01:59:18

Yeah, the very first activity is water activities And so I walked in and I said great.

01:59:24

We're never getting past the first activity and so Trying to pull

01:59:30

Rhett away To go to something else Instant meltdown. Oh, yeah, man.

01:59:36

No is the same way Instant meltdown. I'm talking for 10 minutes. We meltdown because we pulled him away from the water.

01:59:45

So That's my kids, but we had a good time. We had a fun time. I wanted to get away with the family

01:59:51

That's and you know, just have some family time because we don't really have that a lot Given our current situation

01:59:59

With family living with us and stuff. So but anyways Hopefully I will be here next week

02:00:05

I should be I don't see any reason why I shouldn't be Melissa, thank you sister

02:00:11

Praying for your son praying for Chris to get better as well. Thank you But with that we're gonna get out of here.

02:00:19

We love you. We love being here with you We love talking and engaging with you and all your comments, but we're gonna see you on the next one y 'all go to bed