The Manipulative Tactics of the "Demon Slayers"

Welcome back to the Holy Note podcast. I am the Holy Note and with me is David Levy and today we are excited to continue our review, our critique, our discussion about the

Demon Slayer documentary, which is covering the most important awakening in church history come out in Jesus name.

Documentary featuring Greg Locke and Isaiah Saldivar and Vlad Savchuk and Mike Signorelli and Alexander Pagani the

Demon Slayer gang and we are responding to the arguments or the position that is presented in the documentary and it is our goal to respond in a gospel centered and Biblical way to these arguments and so that's what we

Have been doing for two parts so far and today's part three David Yeah, thanks brother

You're the Holy Nope, and I'm the Holy Dope. I've claimed that title for myself

Yeah, I'm excited to get into No that excited isn't the right word.

Yeah, you know I felt strange even saying excited It wasn't the right word

And it's actually not because because here's the thing this is a mournful topic

It's mournful and the Christians should Bible believing

Jesus loving Christians should mourn over the fact that false doctrine is peddled and So many believe it today and that is it's a grievous thing.

So I So I think it's wrong to say I'm excited to talk about it But what

I am excited about is proclaiming the truth and shining the light that is

What Christ tells us to do and if we can shine the light into the darkness

Then I think that our endeavor will be worthwhile. Yep. Amen. So we've covered a little bit already such topics as the

Division of man that they hold to that's body soul and in spirit and where demons inhabit

Believers and they're in in body parts or soul versus where the Holy Spirit resides in the spirit

We've touched on that a little bit. We've covered Demonization and in the biblical understanding of demonization being in the control of or under the control of a demonic presence

Possessed is is the biblical witness to what? demonization Really is we've talked about these kinds of things and today we're going to continue with this next clip

Tastical or difficult to figure out as to whether you have a demon or not One of the biggest telltale signs is have you ever been involved in the accord?

It's witchcraft in your family was your grandfather or great -grandfather in the Masonic Lodge The curses of secret societies and so on and so forth

And so we have to be able to dig down into the Bible and ask the question What does it look like if someone is demonized because there really are signs

As to whether you're afflicted and oppressed I thought it was clairvoyant.

I did tarot cards. I'm talking the New Age thing. I had psychic friends I thought it was a sidekick. I was hearing voices at one period of my life

You experienced extreme restlessness in the spiritual environment. Do you have hostility toward deliverance ministers for some weird reason?

You have no reason except you just hate deliverance minister. I was talking about demon that actually could be a sign

That's why people have a hard time with deliverance ministry because they are oppressed by an evil spirit of religion so David it is at this point in the documentary that they allude to signs of Demonization he says we've got to dig into the

Bible to discover signs of Demonization and then we can see pretty plainly as we move forward here that That's what they don't do is dig deeply into the

Bible But I want to ask you where would you point to in the scripture for signs of demonization?

Is there a text that comes to mind where an apostle or a biblical author lays out?

Certain signs that we should look for that indicate that a Christian is demonized

Well before I answer that, uh -huh. I want I want to say this what?

Shocking and cheap Technique it is to say about one's own theological position

That if anyone disagrees with it, it is a sign that they have a demon

Like that's that is so crafty. Yeah, it's like Just think about it you could literally say that About anything.

All right, someone someone could say listen I have invented new math where 2 plus 2 equals 5 and if you don't believe it

That means you have a demon Something like so ludicrous and then anyone who then challenges the position

They say you have the spirit of religion you're a Pharisee you're judgmental

You actually have a demon living inside of you because you don't believe the same things about deliverance that I believe

That is the argument that they're making and it's so cheap and gross and it's shocking to me that there are people who actually buy into that Say that well anyone who has a critique

I mean, I know that you've gotten messages like that Austin by doing the holy note that like Obviously your critique of this ridiculous

False movement that your critique of that is the very sign of Your need for demons to be cast out of you.

Haven't you heard that like quite a bit? I have heard that quite a bit and the more that I have looked into the teaching of the demon slayers

I'm shocked at how often they use this tactic I've heard it from every single one of them that if you don't like deliverance ministry and it's always it's always it's always couched in the terms of We get mad about deliverance ministry or we just don't like deliverance ministry

It's never if you have like biblical arguments against deliverance ministry. It's always you just it just makes you so mad

That's how they characterize their opponents just having emotional outbursts against their against their

Doctrine and practice. I've been surprised at how often they say these things because it's so it's so Plainly manipulative, like you said you could do it with anything and it trickles down to their followers

People tell me all the time when I address this stuff on on my on my social media that I have a demon for for one reason or another because I'm coming against this

I Myself am demonized. And so I think the fault, you know, typically how it works is if a teacher is teaching something

That's sort of over the line or a little sketchy The followers are going to kind of take that and run with it in in a greater

Way, or I'm far more reaching sort of way. And so I think the followers of the demon slayers

That's become their go -to tactic against Arguments and their their response to arguments that go to response is to say you you have a demon so you can't even understand

You you can't even you can't even present arguments against Deliverance theology because you yourself have a demon and because they assume that about the person who is

Who is confronting them? They they automatically hold their opinions to be invalid yes and so that's

That's actually a technique that they're using against any criticism any

Criticism then gets filed into this category of this person has a religious spirit of pharisaical nature or something like that and I Know that because I actually know some people who are caught up in this

Deliverance movement and when I try to challenge it truly very lovingly and Biblically and to tell them how much

I care about them and I love them and you know Why I believe that this is wrong from the scripture the only

Argument that was thrown back to me was that I have religion and there's even that is just some evidence of my more evidence of biblical illiteracy that that even the word religion now

Has some kind of connotation to it as though religion is evil but the reality is that every person on the face of the earth has religion everyone does atheists have religion it is in Essence their worldview right and the way that they live according to their worldview that is their

Religion and so like to say that someone has a religious spirit and that that means

I don't know I know what they mean by it. What they mean is Super hyper critic like Michael Brown says super judgmental.

They spend all their time Railing on the internet and like what does

Michael Brown say in that one video? I don't know if you saw where he stacked up all of his books that he's written, right?

He stacked up like all of his 50 books, however, many it is that the dude is written and he's like I've written all of these books

What have you done? Austin like what have you done?

How can you critique me when you see how much I've done for the kingdom, which of course is

Like the grossest evidence of a Christian leader boasting that I've ever seen in my life

God forbid that I should boast save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ through which the world is crucified to me and I to the world that all of my good works are his filthy rags

That Paul says that he accounts all that used to benefit him as dung Rubbish nothing compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing

Christ Jesus So like to to bring that out as an argument By a guy like Michael Brown and say like look at all these things that I've done and if and if you disagree

That only not that not only makes you an ignoramus it also makes you a

Pharisee and You know you you haven't done you haven't experienced the power of God and you haven't done all the things that we've done for the kingdom, there's a

Charismatic ism as a whole is like a tiered sort of Christianity like a two -tiered or multiple tiered

Okay, those who have these extraordinary experiences are in a tier above like you called them the last time

Super Apostles, they're like in a tier above like normal Religious Christians those

Presbyterians those Baptists like men forget those guys like we have the real

Relationship with God not them. We're the super spiritual ones. It's like just gross man

It's gross and the very thing that these people are claiming about us that we are Pharisees That idea is actually the most pharisaical idea

There is thinking that someone is extremely more spiritual than others because they have some kind of experience that others don't

It's interesting that you say that And we heard Greg Locke say right there that it's a it's a demon of religion that somebody has if they're coming against his deliverance ministry, but with that there does seem to be this air of superiority coming from those who

Adopt this tactic from the demon slayers I want to and like I said,

I you said I get these these comments all the time and and here's a Recent one just to sort of give an example of the superiority complex

That is held by so many in in in the demon slayer movement and in the charismatic movement

As a whole as you noted this sort of tier system. Here's the comment on a recent video

This person said here is a simple question. You have not answered Have you ever cast out demons someone who speaks like you is a classic bystander

When you face and cast out your first demon, then you can criticize the players on the field

Some are just talkers on the sidelines thinking they are the experts wait until you are face -to -face

After that encounter you might let you might be let out of the bleachers to play with the grown -ups

Else just keep watching get some wisdom and let those more experience share their wisdom best for you to Just be in the crowd watching on this one.

Let those with experience do the work Okay, so the the question

That that I asked you Was is there a place in Scripture that you would point to for signs of demonization so first John 4 3 comes to mind when you ask that quickly looked it up here first John 4 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not from God and Is the spirit of the

Antichrist which you have heard was coming and is now already in the world so those that Deny the incarnation of Jesus it seems to say in first John 4 3 that a denial of the

Son of God coming into the world is brought about by satanic influence at the very least and and that that that is a part of The prince of the power of the air the spirit that now is at work in the sons of disobedience because of course the vast majority of people in the world today would hold to that view and And I would say that Jesus is not the

Son of God and he didn't come into the world as the scripture says and So, yes,

I mean in in that sense, I would say that that Referring in a very general sense to the spirit of the age this the zeitgeist the this this spirit of Antichrist in the world, which is

Real, I mean, that's it is real. We believe in a real devil We're not saying that the devil doesn't exist

Of course, he exists and he prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour but what is the way in which he does the vast vast vast vast majority of Spiritual warfare.

Well the way in which he does so is He wages a battle against the truth

Satan is a liar and he's been a liar He's always been a liar since he fell and so the battle of the

Christian is really a battle Over what is true Now there are some who

I wouldn't doubt in the world who are like, you know acting like crazy people pulling out their hair falling on the ground that they might have some kind of Demonic thing as a part of them not

Christians, but people in the world where that happens to that It could be something demonic. I don't doubt that but I also don't believe that That is the primary way in which

Satan attacks human beings the way that he attacks human beings is by propagating a lie and Turning people away from the gospel of Christ and on to other things.

That is where primary Spiritual warfare really is and if you look at the the various Lists that Paul says the belt of truth and the breastplate of righteousness and preaching the gospel

Okay that like that whole list Like three out of all of those things have to do with preaching the truth like three of them do preaching the truth

That's the way that we combat Satan is by giving the gospel out now in terms of like a categorical list of look for these signs boys and girls when a

Person is gonna have a demon and you have to go to the demon slayer. There's no thing like that There's nothing in the scripture where Paul or Peter or James?

Says hey, these are the signs you need to look out for if they start talking in a deeper voice or if they say something they wouldn't normally say or if they suddenly have a seizure or If they develop a cough after eating cursed

Halloween candy then Probably that means there's a demon living in their throat and you need to cast the demon out

Otherwise the cursed Halloween candy will get into his stomach and when that happens Well, he could probably you know, give stomach cancer to the poor lad

Okay, and if you think if somebody thinks that I'm like exaggerating about that I'm not

This is how these people talk and think and there's no there's no biblical description where you know, it gives some kind of Either description or proscription or prescription for what

Christians ought to do then when somebody Starts rolling around on the floor instead.

All of those things are simply made up by the you know, that's good. And Yeah, I would even say with first John 4 3 that what's being described there is categorically distinct from demonization as the demon slayers understand it first John 4 3 is not talking about the inhabitation of demons within Christians, so so first first John 4 3 isn't speaking about signs of Demonization in Christians because their whole concept of demonization is unbiblical if we remember from our previous talks demonization has to do with with They don't like to say possession and they don't mean possession and what they mean by demonization is something

Other than what the Bible means by demonization, which is to be possessed and controlled by an evil spirit

They simply create a new category in which a Christian is inhabited in and dwelt by a demon

Without being possessed and can be controlled at times Which we will see here in upcoming clips in this documentary

And so I would say that there are no signs. This is how you know, though that it can't be a

Christian Who this is talking about because it says every spirit that does not confess

Jesus is not from God. Well a Christian wouldn't not confess Jesus Right a

Christian confesses. Jesus is Lord If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead.

You'll be saved. So This is obviously not talking about believers being in dwelt with date with demons.

Yeah, that's good Let's watch the next clip for some people It can be as simplistic as having these intrusive thoughts or voices in your head

My grandfather used to say anything that talks to you is a person and there are people that actually Hear voices in the room or in their mind and they think they're crazy.

No, they're not crazy They're under the influence of a demonic spirit and people need to understand that that is real

I didn't know anything about generational curses I just knew that I had had some like intrusive thoughts that I knew weren't me all of a sudden they're just like pop like a random thought pops in your head and you're like Like that was really mean that was really ugly that was really gross and that was not me

We have surges of violent anger self -harming suicide compulsive behavior Unfortunately, I opened a lot of doors

Unwillingly, I was deceived. I remember the biggest thing I struggle with was anger like I'm talking punching walls anger

I'm talking like I used to get so angry at people and I would lash out and it would come out of nowhere

I was one of those people that could go from zero to a hundred like that From the outside looking in nobody would have assumed that because I always acted that way behind closed doors, right?

So there they list some of the signs as intrusive thoughts Anger and so forth but what

I think is interesting about this clip is that so often the demon slayers talk about how

Christians can pick up demons as the result of their willful neglect of spiritual discipline or willful sin

But the young lady that we just heard in this clip says that she picked up a bunch of demonic oppression she says unwillingly because she was deceived and so it seems that either willingly or unwillingly knowingly or Unknowingly Christians can become inhabited by demons

No matter what you do It's going to happen. There is such a push to make this a normal part of the

Christian experience and it Absolutely is not. Yeah as I was listening to that and I think

I hope we get a chance to talk more about Generational curses as the time goes on in our review

But as I was listening to that, I immediately thought of what the Apostle Paul says in Romans chapter 7

I'm gonna read it for you Romans 7 starting at verse 18 for I know that nothing good dwells in me that is in my flesh so he's saying that the his

Flesh has sin and nothing good dwells in his flesh

For the willing is present within me, but the doing of the good is not

For the good that I want to do I do not do but I practice the very evil that I do not want

But if I'm doing the very thing I do not want I'm no longer doing it

But sin which dwells within me, so he's not saying Satan which dwells within him, but that sin dwells within his flesh

Okay that the flesh wrestles with this sin Because that is what the old man's nature is a sinful nature and then he goes on this is really interesting

I Find then the principle that evil is present in me the one who wants to do good

For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man. So which by the way

Some will say like this has to be pre Salvation Paul writing here that he's writing like as though this is this is the way he used to be

Except listen to what he says in verse 22. I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man

Is that possible for an unbeliever to do does an unbeliever? Joyfully agree with God's law inside of his heart in the inner man

No, that's only true about the believer. Jesus says that the world hates him by nature the world hates him

So this is Paul speaking as a regenerate man who's wrestling with his sin and this is what he says but I see a different law in the members of my body not a different spirit a different law in the members of my body

Waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin, which is in my members wretched man that I am

Who will set me free so he says that he's a prisoner and as a

Christian though, yeah Who will set me free from the body of this death?

So what does he say? Does he say there who will set me free from the demon of lust? No, does he say who will set me free from the demon of religion?

No, he says who shall set me free from the body of this death the body

And then he says this thanks be to God Through Pagani who gave me the secrets to deliverance.

No, no, he says thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our

Lord so then on the one hand I'm myself with my mind I'm serving the law of God and on the other with my flesh the law of sin

I know that that is a hard saying from Paul Peter says that sometimes Paul says hard things

But here this is what it means what it means is that as long as we

Christians are in this body as long as we still have breath in our lungs

We are in what Paul calls the body of this death or this body of death

This is why Jesus says that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God We must slough the mortal coil the soul must be separated from the body and then the body must be

Resurrected the mortal must put on immortality and when the mortal is put on Immortality at the coming of the

Lord when that has happened Then our body shall be perfected and be reunited with our souls and body and soul will be with the

Lord Forever this is Christian doctrine. Okay, and what Paul is saying is the problem

Why do I wrestle with sin in my life so much? It's because I'm still here in this world in this flesh that I dwell in right now and Someday, my soul will be taken out of my body on the day of my death it will go up to heaven because of what

Jesus has done for me and I will become what the author of Hebrew says in Hebrews 12 the spirits of the righteous, which is what

I am now made perfect See in heaven the spirits of the righteous

So we're the spirits of the righteous, but we are what Luther calls simul justicet peccator

Simultaneously just and sinner in this our present reality sadly Stinks we should be progressively mortifying sin

And our soul being vivified Surely as long as we walk with Christ in this world, we should be conquerors of our flesh

Submitting our flesh under the will of God. Amen, but it shall never be perfect until we meet

Jesus So we see in that clip is this this out these elements of blame shifting

That my the root of my problem isn't my flesh. It's what Satan is doing in my flesh

My flesh is being occupied by Satan and making me do these things and so while there does seem to be some concept of Responsibility from these people it is paired or it is mixed with the blame shifting the devil made me do it and What's so interesting about what she says that not willingly

I was deceived is that Leave says something so similar the certain dis the serpent deceived me and I ate there is blame shifting that is