The Manipulative Tactics of the "Demon Slayers"

The Manipulative Claim That Critics Have Demons

Welcome back to the Holy Note podcast. I am the Holy Note and with me is David Levy and today we are excited to continue our review, our critique, our discussion about the Demon Slayer documentary, which is covering the most important awakening in church history come out in Jesus name.

Documentary featuring Greg Locke and Isaiah Saldivar and Vlad Savchuk and Mike Signorelli and Alexander Pagani the Demon Slayer gang and we are responding to the arguments or the position that is presented in the documentary and it is our goal to respond in a gospel centered and Biblical way to these arguments and so that's what we have been doing for two parts so far and Today's part three David.

Yeah. Thanks, brother.

You're the Holy Nope, and I'm the Holy Dope. I've claimed that title for myself. Yeah, I'm excited to get into.

No, excited isn't the right word. Yeah, you know, I felt strange even saying excited. It wasn't the right word.

And it's actually not because because here's the thing. This is a Mournful topic it's mournful and that Christians should Bible believing Jesus loving Christians should mourn over the fact that false doctrine is Peddled and so many believe it today and that is it's a grievous thing.

So I so I think it's wrong to say I'm excited to talk about it. But what I am excited about is proclaiming the truth and shining the light that is What Christ tells us to do and if we can shine the light into the darkness Then I think that our endeavor will be worthwhile.

Yep. Amen.

So we've covered a little bit already such topics as the Division of man that they hold to that's body soul and in spirit and where demons inhabit Believers and they're in in body parts or soul versus where the Holy Spirit resides in the spirit.

We've touched on that a little bit. We've covered Demonization and in the biblical understanding of demonization being in the control of or under the control of a demonic presence. Possessed is is the biblical witness to what? demonization.

Really is we've talked about these kinds of things and today we're going to continue with this next clip.

Signs of Demonization and the Appeal to Experience

Tastical or difficult to figure out as to whether you have a demon or not. One of the biggest telltale signs is have you ever been involved in the accord? It's witchcraft in your family. Was your grandfather or great-grandfather in the Masonic Lodge.

The curses of secret societies and so on and so forth. And so we have to be able to dig down into the Bible and ask the question What does it look like if someone is demonized. Because there really are signs as to whether you're afflicted.

I did tarot cards. I'm talking the New Age thing. I have sidekick friends. I thought it was sidekick.

I was hearing voices at one period of my life. Do you experience the extreme restlessness in the spiritual environment? Do you have hostility toward deliverance ministers for some weird reason. You have no reason except you just hate deliverance medicine.

I was talking about demon. That actually could be a sign.

That's why people have a hard time with deliverance ministry because they are oppressed by the evil spirit of religion.

So David it is at this point in the documentary that they allude to signs of Demonization. He says we've got to dig into the Bible to discover signs of demonization and then we can see pretty plainly as we move forward here that That's what they don't do is dig deeply into the Bible.

But I want to ask you where would you point to in the scripture for signs of demonization? Is there a text that comes to mind where an apostle or a biblical author lays out? Certain signs that we should look for that indicate that a Christian is demonized.

Well before I answer that.

I.

Want I want to say this what? Shocking and cheap technique it is to say about one's own theological position. That if anyone disagrees with it, it is a sign that they have a demon. All right, like that's that is so crafty, huh, it's like.

Just think just think about it. You could literally say that About anything. All right, someone someone could say listen I have invented new math where two plus two equals five and if you don't believe it That means you have a demon.

Something like so ludicrous and then anyone who then challenges the position. They say you have the spirit of religion. You're a Pharisee. You're judgmental. You actually have a demon living inside of you because you don't believe the same things about deliverance that I believe.

That is the argument that they're making and it's so cheap and gross and it's shocking to me that there are people who actually buy Into that. Say that well anyone who has a critique I mean, I know that you've gotten messages like that Austin by doing the holy note that like Obviously your critique of this ridiculous False movement that your critique of that is the very sign of Your need for demons to be cast out of you.

Haven't you heard that like quite a bit?

I have heard that quite a bit and the more that I have looked into the teaching of the demon slayers I I'm shocked at how often they use this tactic. I've heard it from every single one of them that if you don't like deliverance ministry, and it's always it's always it's always couched in the terms of We get mad about deliverance ministry or we just don't like deliverance ministry.

It's never if you have like biblical arguments against deliverance ministry. It's always you just it just makes you so mad. That's how they characterize their opponents. Just having emotional outbursts against their against their doctrine and practice.

I've been surprised at how often they say these things because it's so it's so Plainly manipulative like you said you could do it with anything and it trickles down to their followers. People tell me all the time when I address this stuff on on my on my social media that I have a demon for for one reason or another because I'm coming against this I Myself am demonized.

And so I think the fault, you know, typically how it works is if a teacher is teaching something that's sort of over the line or a little sketchy the followers are going to kind of take that and Run with it in in a greater Way or I'm far more reaching sort of way.

And so I think the followers of the demon slayers that's become their go-to tactic against Arguments and their their response to arguments that go to response is to say you have a demon so you can't even understand.

You you can't even you can't even present arguments against Deliverance theology because you yourself have a demon and because they assume that about the person who is Who is confronting them? They they automatically hold their opinions to be invalid yes.

And so that's. That's actually a technique that they're using against any criticism.

Any.

Criticism then gets filed into this category of this person has a religious spirit of pharisaical nature or something like that and I Know that because I actually know some people who are caught up in this Deliverance movement and when I try to challenge it truly very lovingly and Biblically and to tell them how much I care about them and I love them and you know Why I believe that this is wrong from the scripture the only Argument that was thrown back to me was that I have religion and there's even that is just some evidence of my more evidence of biblical illiteracy that that even the word religion now Has some kind of connotation to it as though religion is evil but the reality is that every person on the face of the earth has religion everyone does atheists have religion it is in Essence their worldview right and the way that they live according to their worldview that is their Religion and so like to say that someone has a religious spirit and that that means I don't know I know what they mean by it.

What they mean is Super hyper critic like Michael Brown says super judgmental. They spend all their time Railing on the internet and like what does Michael Brown say in that one video? I don't know if you saw where he stacked up all of his books that he's written, right?

He stacked up like all of his 50 books, however, many it is that the dude is written and he's like I've written all of these books. What have you done? Austin like what have you done? How can you critique me when you see how much I've done for the kingdom?

Which of course is Like the grossest evidence of a Christian leader Boasting that I've ever seen in my life God forbid that I should boast save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ through which the world is crucified to me and I to the world that all of my good works are his filthy rags.

That Paul says that he accounts all that used to benefit him as dung Rubbish nothing compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus so like to to bring that out as an argument by a guy like Michael Brown and say like look at all these things that I've done and if and if you disagree that only not that not only makes you an ignoramus it also makes you a Pharisee and You know you you haven't done you haven't experienced the power of God and you haven't done all the things that we've done for the kingdom, there's a Charismatic ism as a whole is like a tiered sort of Christianity like a two-tiered or multiple tiered.

Okay, those who have these extraordinary experiences are in a tier above like you called them the last time Super Apostles, they're like in a tier above like normal Religious Christians those Presbyterians those Baptists like men forget those guys like we have the real Relationship with God not them.

We're the super spiritual ones. It's like just gross man. It's gross and the very thing that these people are claiming about us that we're Pharisees. That idea is actually the most pharisaical idea. There is thinking that someone is extremely more spiritual than others because they have some kind of experience that others don't.

The Spirit of Antichrist and the Real Nature of Spiritual Warfare

It's interesting that you say that and we heard Greg Locke say right there that it's a It's a demon of religion that somebody has if they're coming against his deliverance ministry but with that there does seem to be this air of superiority coming from those who Adopt this tactic from the demon slayers I want to and like I said, I you said I get these these comments all the time and and here's a recent one just to sort of give an example of the.

Superiority.

Complex. That is held by so many in in in the demon slayer movement and in the charismatic movement. As a whole as you noted this sort of tier system. Here's the comment on a recent video. This person said here is a simple question.

You have not answered. Have you ever cast out demons. Someone who speaks like you is a classic bystander? When you face and cast out your first demon then you can criticize the players on the field. Some are just talkers on the sidelines thinking they are the experts.

Wait until you are face-to-face. After that encounter, you might let you might be let out of the bleachers to play with the grown-ups. Else just keep watching get some wisdom and let those more experienced share their wisdom best for you.

To just be in the crowd watching on this one. Let those with experience do the work.

What dude that's so crazy.

Okay, so the the question That that I asked you Was is there a place in Scripture that you would point to for signs of demonization?

So first John 4 3 comes to mind when you ask that. Quickly. Looked it up here. First John 4 3 and. Every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not from God and is the spirit of the Antichrist which you have heard was coming and is now already in the world.

So.

Those that deny the incarnation of Jesus it seems to say in first John 4 3 that a Denial of the Son of God coming into the world is brought about by satanic influence at the very least.

And and.

That that that is a part of The prince of the power of the air the spirit that now is at work in the sons of disobedience. Because of course the vast majority of people in the world today would hold to that view.

And and I would say that Jesus is not the Son of God and he didn't come into the world as the scripture says. And. So, yes, I mean in in that sense, I would say that that is referring in a very general sense to the spirit of the age this the zeitgeist the This spirit of Antichrist in the world, which is real I mean, that's it is real.

We believe in a real devil. We're not saying that the devil doesn't exist. Of course, he exists and he prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

But what is.

The way in which he does the vast vast vast vast majority of spiritual warfare. Well the way in which he does so is.

He.

Wages a battle against the truth. Satan is a liar and he's been a liar. He's always been a liar since he fell and so the battle of the Christian is really a battle. Over what is true? Now there are some who I wouldn't doubt in the world who are like, you know acting like crazy people pulling out their hair falling on the ground that they might have some kind of Demonic thing as a part of them.

Not Christians, but people in the world where that happens to that. It could be something demonic I don't doubt that but I also don't believe.

That.

That is the primary way in which Satan attacks human beings the way that he attacks human beings is by propagating a lie and Turning people away from the gospel of Christ and on to other things. That is where primary Spiritual warfare really is and if you look at the the various Lists that Paul says the belt of truth and the breastplate of righteousness and preaching the gospel.

Okay that like that whole list. Like three out of all of those things have to do with preaching the truth like three of them do preaching the truth like that's the way that we combat Satan is by Giving the gospel out now in terms of like a categorical list of look for these signs boys and girls when a Person is gonna have a demon and you have to go to the demon slayer.

There's no thing like that. There's nothing in the scripture where Paul or Peter James? Says hey, these are the signs you need to look out for if they start talking in a deeper voice. Or if they say something they wouldn't normally say or if they suddenly have a seizure or if they develop a cough after eating cursed Halloween candy then Probably that means there's a demon living in their throat and you need to cast the demon out.

Otherwise the cursed Halloween candy will get into his stomach and when that happens Well, he could probably you know, give stomach cancer to the poor lad. Okay, and if you think if somebody thinks that I'm like exaggerating about that.

I'm not. This is how these people talk and think and there's no there's no biblical description where you know, it gives some kind of Either description or Proscription or prescription for what Christians ought to do then when somebody Starts rolling around on the floor instead.

All of those things are simply made up by the you know, that's good. And.

Yeah, I would even say with first John 4 3 that what's being described there is categorically distinct from demonization as the demon slayers understand it. First John 4 3 is not talking about the inhabitation of demons within Christians, so so first first John 4 3 isn't speaking about signs of demonization in Christians because their whole concept of demonization is unbiblical.

If we remember from our previous talks demonization has to do with with. They don't like to say possession and they don't mean possession and what they mean by demonization is something Other than what the Bible means by demonization, which is to be possessed and controlled by an evil spirit.

They simply create a new category in which a Christian is inhabited in and dwelt by a demon Without being possessed and can be controlled at times. Which we will see here in upcoming clips in this documentary.

And so I would say that there are no signs this is how you know, though that it can't be a Christian. Who this is talking about? Because it says every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.

Well a Christian wouldn't not confess Jesus. Right. A Christian confesses Jesus as Lord. If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. You'll be saved.

So This is obviously not talking about believers being in dwelt with date with demons, yeah, that's good.

Let's watch the next clip for some people.

Intrusive Thoughts, Anger, and the Blame-Shifting Logic of Generational Curses

It can be as simplistic as having these intrusive thoughts or voices in your head. My grandfather used to say anything that talks to you is a person and there are people that actually Hear voices in the room or in their mind and they think they're crazy.

No, they're not crazy. They're under the influence of a demonic spirit and people need to understand that that is real.

I didn't know anything about generational curses. I just knew that I had had some like intrusive thoughts that I knew weren't me. All of a sudden they're just like pop like a random thought pops in your head and you're like Like that was really mean that was really ugly.

That was really gross and that was not me.

We have surges of violent anger self-harming suicide compulsive behavior.

Unfortunately, I opened a lot of doors. Unwillingly. I was deceived and I remember the biggest thing I struggle with was anger. Like I'm talking punching walls. Anger I'm talking like I used to get so angry at people and I would lash out and it would come out of nowhere.

I was one of those people that could go from zero to a hundred like that. From the outside looking in nobody would have assumed that because I always acted that way behind closed doors, right?

So there they list some of the signs as intrusive thoughts. Anger and so forth. But what I think is interesting about this clip is that so often the demon slayers talk about how? Christians can pick up demons as the result of their willful neglect of spiritual discipline or willful sin.

But the young lady that we just heard in this clip says that she picked up a bunch of demonic oppression. She says unwillingly because she was deceived and so it seems that either willingly or unwillingly knowingly or Unknowingly Christians can become inhabited by demons.

No matter what you do. It's going to happen. There is such a push to make this a normal part of the Christian experience. And it absolutely is not.

Yeah, as I was listening to that and I think I hope we get a chance to talk more about Generational curses as the time goes on in our review. But as I was listening to that, I immediately thought of what the Apostle Paul says in Romans chapter 7.

I'm gonna read it for you Romans 7 starting at verse 18 for I know that nothing good dwells in me that is in my flesh so he's saying that the his Flesh has sin and nothing good dwells in his flesh. For the willing is present within me.

But the doing of the good is not for the good that I want to do. I do not do but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I'm doing the very thing I do not want I'm no longer doing it. But sin which dwells within me so he's not saying Satan which dwells within him but that sin dwells within his flesh.

Okay that the flesh wrestles with this sin. Because that is what the old man's nature is a sinful nature and then he goes on. This is really interesting. I. The one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man.

So which by the way. Some will say like this has to be pre Salvation Paul writing here that he's writing like as though this is this is the way he used to be. Except listen to what he says in verse 22.

I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man. Is that possible for an unbeliever to do does an unbeliever? Joyfully agree with God's law inside of his heart in the inner man. No, that's only true about the believer.

Jesus says that the world hates him by nature the world hates him. So this is Paul speaking as a regenerate man who's wrestling with his sin and this is what he says but I see a different law in the members of my body not a different spirit a Different law in the members of my body.

Waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin, which is in my members wretched man that I am. Who will set me free? So he says that he's a prisoner and as a Christian though.

Yeah. Who will set me free from the body of this death? So what does he say does he say there who will set me free from the demon of lust. No, does he say who will set me free from the demon of religion?

No, he says who shall set me free from the body of this death the body. And then he says this thanks be to God Through Pagani who gave me the secrets to deliverance. No, no. He says thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So then on the one hand, I'm myself with my mind I'm serving the law of God and on the other with my flesh. The law of sin. I know that that is a hard saying from Paul. Peter says that sometimes Paul says hard things.

All right, but here this is what it means. What it means is that as long as we Christians are in this body As long as we still have breath in our lungs. We are in what Paul calls the body of this death or this body of death.

This is why Jesus says that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God we must slough the mortal coil the soul must be separated from the body and then the body must be Resurrected the mortal must put on immortality and when the mortal is put on immortality at the coming of the Lord when that has happened then our bodies shall be perfected and be Reunited with our souls and body and soul will be with the Lord forever.

This is Christian doctrine. Okay, and what Paul is saying is the problem? Why do I wrestle with sin in my life so much? It's because I'm still here in this world in this flesh that I dwell in right now and Someday, my soul will be taken out of my body on the day of my death it will go up to heaven because of what Jesus has done for me and I will become what the author of Hebrew says in Hebrews 12 the spirits of the righteous which is what I am now.

Made perfect.

See in heaven the spirits of the righteous. So we're the spirits of the other righteous. But we are what Luther calls simile used to set peccator. Simultaneously just and sinner in this our present reality.

Sadly.

Stinks, we should be progressively Mortifying sin and and our soul being vivified. Surely as long as we walk with Christ in this world, we should be conquerors of our flesh Submitting our flesh under the will of God Amen, but it shall never be perfect until we meet Jesus.

So we see in that clip is this this out these elements of blame shifting? That my the root of my problem isn't my flesh. It's what Satan is doing in my flesh. My flesh is being Occupied by Satan and making me do these things.

And so while there does seem to be some concept of Responsibility from these people it is paired or it is mixed with the blame shifting. The devil made me do it and What's so interesting about what she says that not willingly I was deceived.

Is that well Yves says something so similar the certain The serpent deceived me and I ate. There is blame shifting that is Common to fallen human nature and we see it in the garden and we see it today.