When does Self Help Become Idolatry? (Special Guests Hannah Wisner & Michelle Romo) | S5 E8

Self-Care, Exercise, and Diet as Christian Stewardship

Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Point Taken Podcast. We have, well we have a group of ladies who, you don't know this, but we actually tried to film this weeks ago and the system didn't work, so we're back at it.

This is Hannah, Anna, and Michelle, and today we're talking about the role of a Christian in self-care. Exercise, diet, that kind of stuff, what should that look like in the life of a Christian, when's it go too far, when's it not far enough, etc.

Thanksgiving Gratitude and Accountability

But before we do, we're talking about the show Alone. Now, there was, I learned something. I learned a lot from that show. Have you seen it? Seconds, as I've walked by my husband's.

Watching it. Oh of course your husband watched it. He's like, I could win this show. It did.

Seem like she pluralized the word husband there, didn't he? Her husband's little polygamy. Well,.

I was trying to decide, am I going to tell you like, you know, is he watching it on his phone? All I'm trying to say is moments as I've passed by him, it's been on the thing, he's like, oh this is a really good show, and he and the boys watch it.

I love how she talks like.

That. All women imitate their husband's voices that way. All women do. And then all men's wives are me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. There is some validity there, I'll be honest. But my point is, so look, in this show, I guess I'm giving this show a plug right now.

In this show, this dude is winning, his name is Jordan, I think it's season six, because he is excellent at catching fish. Now, for those of you who don't know the show, you can pick 10 items.

Is he the old guy? No. Okay, I'm trying to remember what season. Yeah, he was young,.

Actually. You pick 10 items, and you have to survive with those 10 items. You got to film yourself doing all that stuff. Well, they're in the Arctic. They get dropped off in September, so, you know, it's 50 degrees or so.

But there's 10 people, and you don't know how many people are left. The last one standing gets, you know, whatever, $250 ,000, $500 ,000. Not enough. And the medical team comes once every two months, or whatever, to check your weight, and don't tell you how many people are left.

So you could be at, like, day 40, and there could be one other person left, or eight, and you have no idea. That's what makes people quit a lot. Well, he is doing great weight-wise, because he's catching fish.

Okay, the lake freezes over, and he caught, he killed a.

Moose. This guy! I know which one you're talking about! Yes! And you think he's gonna win, but here's the problem. Because he got a freaking moose that lasted him for so long. A wolverine was, a wolverine.

Because he had this fort that he put all the moose meat on, trying to protect it from predators, and the wolverine climbed up it, and, like, ate everything.

Wait, but watch, watch. This is the problem. It didn't eat all the meat. It ate all the fat. He had the fat. So then he was eating moose meat with very lean, no fat, and he was losing weight. So the medical team said, if we come back and you've lost any more weight, you're getting pulled.

And so he's, no, he didn't, because this is what he did. He's so brilliant. He goes out into the middle of the lake. Whenever it's cold outside, fish migrate to the middle, where it's warmest, and then deeper.

He goes up to the middle of the lake. He makes a net with, um, one of his ten items was fishing line, so he made a gill net. I remember that, yeah. He goes out into the middle lake and takes his axe and chops a hole into the ice, walks 10 feet, chops another hole, takes a 15-foot branch that he's tied, a bendable, pliable wood he's tied the net to, feeds it through the ice, pulls out the other side, so the gill net is sitting in the water with two feet of the limb exposed, hanging outside on the surface of the ice.

Genius. He comes back the next morning, has to recut the ice, obviously, because it's five degrees, and there's like six fish caught in it, and he takes them home. Like, what a, like, who had that idea?

But I thought that he ended up not.

Winning. You're getting a different guy confused. So, he did win. He won. Okay, good. I was gonna say, please, that guy needs to win. The guy doesn't win. I could have sworn he didn't, because he was so upset.

There was another guy. There might have been another dude that we did.

There was another season where it was just, you have to make it 100 days, and if two people make it, y 'all split the money. Only one guy made it, and what he did was, he killed a, I don't know he was very brave, much braver than I would have been, but he, he was like, I'm starving.

If I don't.

Do this, I lose. Is that the million dollar one? Yeah. Yes. Okay, yeah. Like, it's a good show,.

But I wouldn't enjoy it, but it's like, the last thing I'll say about this, and then I'm done. There was this chick on the one we were watching, and they're on day two, and she catches a fish, or yeah, she catches a fish, and there's fish eggs in it, and she goes, yeah, I don't really want to eat that.

I don't like fish eggs, and Rachel, I looked at her, like, she's not hungry enough. She's not hungry enough, because by day 10, they'll eat anything. The one dude was chopping up his belt to get leather, like, he, they'll eat anything after a while.

I think I would eat.

Onions and mushrooms, like, if I had to. We're gonna have to watch that again, because that's a good one. Tomatoes. Well, instead of doing a game today, I thought since Thanksgiving is this next week, we could do some things that we're thankful for, and like, families and stuff.

Well, like, you know, we're all thankful. Most of us are thankful for our families. I mean, some of us have crazy families, but I don't know. Just trying to think, like, out of the box, like, besides the generic answers that we always tend to give, and so, I don't know.

Just thought we'd start that.

Way. Anyone want to go first? I'll go first. I am, this is gonna sound silly. I am thankful for the climate, weather-wise, that I live in. I get to experience all four seasons, spring, summer, this year, for sure, fall.

The past three or four winters here in Memphis have been, maybe not to Michigan standards, but pretty bad winters for Memphis. Yeah, winter. So, that does my soul good. Like, I love that. So, I'm thankful for the weather we've had and, you know, the different activities you get to do in that.

I'm thankful for all four seasons. And sometimes,.

In Memphis, you get them all in one day. Like, you wake up in the summertime, and by the evening, you're in sweats and a hoodie, and you strip it off. By the end of the day, you have your AC on at the end of the day on your way home.

I would say, like, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, I'm thankful for my church, or, you know, but it's like, I'm thankful for the people within our church family. Like, we had a Friendsgiving at, you know, a member or friend's house last night, and just to see how it's evolved, like, over the past 10 years, it started at a Cracker Barrel.

Yeah, I remember. Like, 10 years ago, and then it's just evolved to, like, 30 plus people at someone's house. Like, they invited their neighbors to come, and so it was just, I just, I love being.

A part of our family. At two people's house that were married together that met here. Yeah. Like,.

That's what I'm thankful for, is just good friends, fellowship. I think I would say I'm thankful for just God's provision, not just, like, you know, just everyday life. Like, I have, you know, a phone and all this other stuff.

I mean, like, in creation, because I've been doing a lot of, like, herbology type stuff lately, and just learning of all of the things that are important, like, to us and our bodies that just grows from the ground, and that's everywhere, and that it's, you know, prevents, yeah, exactly.

Prevents sickness, you know, it cures diseases, all these things that, you know, we stress out about so much. It's literally just in creation already, and it was designed to be there. I think about honey.

Whenever I think about that. Like, honey is so good for you. Absolutely. Absolutely.

So, that's what I'm thankful for. Everyone's looking at me. It's your turn. I know, it's my turn, but it's, like, all the eyes. This might be generic, and maybe here it is, because it's something we're used to in our culture at this church, or within this church body, rather, is the accountability that we have, and I know that's kind of lame coming from me, too, because I'm over women's accountability, but all of that to say, like, especially this past week, I've really had some people tell me the truth without, like, they don't hate my guts, but they tell me the truth because they love me, in fact.

So, I am, again, like, almost daily grateful for the accountability of the ladies around me, even my husband, but the other people that I work with, and it seems like it's a gift that is painful at times, but if we're not grateful for it, I think, or if we didn't have it, I think we would not understand the depth of our need for it, I guess.

Does that make sense? Like, it's one of those things that you're like, oh, gosh, please don't tell me about that, but I'm so grateful that you told me about that, because now I can hate it and put it out of my life.

Well, and it's even the love.

Of others that you receive through that, because I had to get called out for something this last week in accountability, and, I mean, I was, like, ugly crying about it, and I'm just, like, and I texted about, you know, our group about it.

I said, I'm just, I'm so thankful for y 'all, because if I didn't have y 'all, I have no idea where I would be, and so it's such a big deal, but, okay, well, we'll go ahead and get started. Did either of you have a point that you wanted to start on?

Because I know we talked about this last, you know, one of the last times, and so I'll kind of just leave it up to y 'all, and I'll just ask some questions along the way. Okay. Not all at once. Well, I think the question that you were saying that we're asking is talking about self-care, right, in terms of fitness, exercise.

Yeah, what's that look like for a Christian? Right, right. I mean, right off the bat, I think, if the question is should Christians exercise self-care, my thing is, how are you defining self-care, because that can go a lot of different ways, but if we're talking about fitness, diet, those types of things, just by themselves, I automatically say yes, but to me, the question is how far is too far.

It's.

Not should we do it. Hannah is a martial arts expert. Yeah, she really is. I'm not being funny.

No, she's ripped. I am not ripped. Thank you. I might know things, but I don't look like I know things, which, honestly, I'm thankful for. You were a kickboxing champion. Well, thank you. She's pretty tough.

Well, thank you, but like I said, my thing is not should we exercise and do self-care. My thing is how far should we take it, because yes, we should. I think everyone, if they have the means to do so, should exercise and diet and do these things, because if we go back through what the Bible says in Genesis, talking about how God gave us the seeds of the herbs and the plants that grow, and that He said we are to use them for food, so that right away tells me our bodies were built for these healthy things that God put on the earth, so my answer to that is yes, it's just a matter of how far are we taking it, so.

So like the gym bros. Gym bros. Can you find that for me? It's the best, like the guys who are doing like all of the protein and the guys who too far would be like, because protein, you need it if you work out, like that's fine, especially with how much you're working out, but like steroids.

Of course not. Absolutely not. So that's why it's like, but where's the line of like is, you know, doing all the protein and like working out seven days a week, like multiple times a day, like is that too much?

Like when does it turn into idolatry of self-care, like we've talked about? Well, I think any, like idolatry in and of itself is anything that you put before God, so yeah, if your priority is waking up and making sure you go to the gym and you get your protein shake and you do this and you haven't even thought about spending time with God, or my thing is just, and this is something I'm actually trying to learn a lot about right now, it's just being still.

Like exercise is great, you know, you burn calories, you move, you're getting out all this energy, but the Bible literally says, be still and know that I'm God. So my thing is, are we taking the time to be still and listen and, you know, prioritize that above, have I been to the gym today?

So to me, that's when you're getting into idolatry, is am I making sure I go to the gym every day, but not making sure I'm spending time in God's word every day. Right. So, and I have definitely been guilty of that myself.

Yeah. Well, and it's like, I haven't, I just started working out again because it has been, it was like two years, because I got pregnant with my son, like 2022 January, and then I had him in October of 22.

And then I was like nursing and like, I'm, you already burn extra calories when you nurse, I do not want to have to eat additional calories. Like I'm like, I'm, and then it's like a whole thing with milk supply.

So I'm like, I'm just going to take this year, like, and just put that as a priority. It can come later. And then, so I've started to work out again, but in relation to that, I've made like Monday, Wednesday, Friday are the days that like I work out after my son goes down for his first nap.

And then I'll plan like after a shower and everything, like I'll read scripture. So then that's like Monday through Saturday, I do that. And so like having that time designated for that. And like, it's an outlet for me too.

I don't always eat the best, but I work out. So I don't have to always eat the best because I love food. I really do. Like I got that Tomahawk pork chop when we went to Southern social last year, this pork chop is like that.

Did y 'all hear her salivating?

Brussels sprouts on the side. Like, I'm like, I enjoy food. And it's like, that's one of the reasons I do work out is because I want to enjoy that. Now I don't always eat the best because with me, I love pasta.

I love breads. I love, I love it all. Yeah. But you're not talking about.

Going to get a big Mac. You're talking about like, you're talking about like normal home food.

90 of the world lives off of some type of starch bread and pasta. Right. But it's like,.

I just, I love eating those things. I know it doesn't look like the Lord's supper. He served.

Bread now quick. Come on. You're making all these excuses for the food you eat. It sounds like normal food to me. It's not like you're like, no, but it's, but the, the pork chop is like.

Indulgence. Then bring me the leftovers and you don't eat all of it. No, I eat the leftovers.

I'm sorry. Like that, I'm not willing to share. You actually asked this time though. Yeah. Wow.

He didn't just put, but my point being like saying all of that, those two years, like I started working out right before I got pregnant with my son. And then I ended up injuring my toe. Like, cause I felt like such a doofus.

Oh, I remember that. That was at SOG wasn't it? I got turf toe. I remember that. Like my toe just went, I could not walk for like a week. This was during the warmup too. Like class started, we're warming up.

Why'd you have to do that? I felt bad. I was teaching. I was like, no, I killed Anna. She's never coming back. And she hasn't. I didn't. Well, and I'm used to working out with shoes and like an MMA, it's all barefoot.

And my toe just went like different direction. So then like I had that and then the nausea started kicking in like a pregnancy. And then it was like one thing after the other, like in may I figured, or I found out like we had to move from our apartment.

So trying to find a house in that market at the time was a nightmare. And then moving when I was eight months pregnant and then trying to like get stuff ready for a baby. So I'm like, I do not have time to be putting in child.

And I was working full time. Right. So that's something else. Yeah. And then, you know, I have the child and then, you know, like postpartum, not doing anything. And then I finally go back to work full time.

And then like, he's in daycare and like doing all these things. I'm like, and I'm nursing on top of that, having to pump at work. I'm like, I have no time. Like I'm not, I'm not doing this. So I was using all of those things like granted as reasons, but it's excuses to be slothful because I would sit and scrawl on my phone for like an hour on Tik TOK.

And I'm like, I have all of this time that I'm just wasting. And I'm not using that to better myself, whether it's reading scripture, whether it's being better with my eating habits, whether it's being more active so I can do more things with my child.

So it's like, for me, it was convicting of just like the slothfulness that I experienced, right?

You also have to realize you have a bank of energy. And when you're caring for a young child and working full time, I'm not sure that you have any energy to pull from that bank. So maybe your hour of Tik TOK wasn't the most useful thing to do in that time.

But did you lip? Did you actually have energy? Cause you kind of beating yourself up a little bit about this. And I feel like, um, maybe you shouldn't, I don't know. I used to wake up at 5 .00 AM.

And then we would go to bed at like eight 30 because I was just so tired. And so, but I feel, but it's like, well, I feel, you know, we said that before the podcast, it's like, you think about all the excuses that you make, you know, because people are like, oh, I want to do this, but I'm just so tired.

I'm like, are you really that tired? Like you can do other things with your time. But yes, I only started working out after I started staying at home with myself because I had more energy and I'm like, okay, I'm done with like all of these tours.

I actually have time to do something for myself. Right. And so for me, that is a form of self care. But like we were talking about this before the pod podcast started is self care. Like on Tik TOK is very popular and it's like all your, your skincare routine.

I'm like, I wash my face and put moisturizer on. Like, I don't understand like all these other steps that you have to do, but it's all about like, oh, and then, um, the body positivity thing. So we could touch on that.

If you wanted to, you don't know what body positivity is. I don't know what that is either. Wow. Y 'all are so lucky to not know what this is. It's stupid. Well, then you're about to ruin it for us. Yeah.

But I'm educating you on what it is because you asked, but body positivity and like, I'm using these words, not, it's just, we speak truth on this podcast. So just hear it for what it is like being fat, like people who are overweight, like it's rude to call them overweight or like obese.

It's just like, you're beautiful in your own skin. Like you don't have to be a certain size to be beautiful, which is true. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're healthy. You're still at risk for diabetes and heart disease and all of these things, but like they will put like on Cosmo cosmopolitan is like this, you know, very worldly magazine, to put it lightly, if you have children listening and you're supposed to like models are supposed to be attractive in a certain size, because that's how the industry has portrayed it.

And they will put morbidly obese women in bikinis on the cover. And that's beautiful. And that's healthy. They've even gone to the lengths of saying that it's healthy to be where they are. And it's like, no, they're lazy or they are eating like bad.

And some of like Lizzo, I don't know if you guys know who Lizzo is. She's a popular singer. Yes. She is all about the body positivity movement. And she will sit there and like record herself like eating Big Macs, just being unhealthy.

And it's just like that. So it's and so now with this, you have like the Jimbro aspect of like, you're going too hard, you know, you're doing roids and like all of this stuff just to get like a certain physique and you know, feel good about yourself, whatever you're competing, bodybuilding, like, you know, weight lifting, whatever.

And then you have the other aspect of the slothfulness that is now being glorified in that. And so it's I don't know, it's kind of like a funny outlook on you see, like both sides of the spectrum. This is being glorified and then this is being glorified.

So you mean like, OK, so it's a positive thing if you are.

If you're fat, you're beautiful. Like if you weigh 500 pounds, you're beautiful no matter what. And you're healthy because if you're healthy, if you feel good about yourself, then it's healthy for you to have a mental, a good mental outlook on yourself.

I mean, God, you got to be kidding me.

So but that's why it's like, you know, talking about this, it's like, like Michelle brought up what Michelle brought up. She's like, you know, you were tired, so maybe you're just being too hard on yourself.

But it's like, but was that slothful, you know, in forms of like, because I needed to take care of my body and I wasn't doing that. You know, I'm eating a five extra, 500 extra calories a day trying to, you know, get make sure I have enough calories for breast milk.

But it's like I just I wasn't taking care of myself,.

Like mind, spirit or body. Did you take a walk with your son outside ever? Never.

Sometimes our neighborhood has this one really annoying dog down the street. Her name is Mitzi and I want to kick her like so like puppy dog and I hate her.

Did you play with your son on the floor?

Well, yeah. All right. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like I wanted to do it for me. And so that's when it's like, when does the self-care become or the lack of self-care become a sin? And you know what I'm saying?

So like it's slothfulness. Was that slothful behavior? And I'm using myself as an example because I would love to know and maybe have people relate.

When Self-Care Becomes Idolatry

Well, I mean, I would say I would that would depend on the habits you've created. If you mean that habitually every day you are scrolling on your phone and in the clearing, you have no time for something else.

Yeah, you probably need to make some changes. But I don't know that slothful is the right word for that. I will say going back to your other thing, though. How how unloving do you have to be to tell someone who's doing something that will kill them by the time they're 36 that everything is perfectly OK the way you are and you need.

To change nothing about your life? Well, it's like the you're true thing that we were talking.

About earlier. How unloving do you have to be to do something like that? That is the most hateful thing I've ever heard. I that just shocked me when you just said that is.

So unloving. I'm really surprised you have not heard of that. I mean, that's like that's like.

Having a friend who's hooked on painkillers and telling them to keep going the way they are.

If it makes you happy, then that's insane. Yeah. Yeah. But then if you correct somebody on their sin, you know, it's like you're well, our pastor, your dad said from the pulpit today, it's like, oh, cast no judgment.

Right. Don't you don't you don't you judge me, you know, type thing. And so I think it is a big it is a big disservice to those people.

If I can maybe spur you, you asked a question earlier of Hannah and maybe I'll get Hannah to speak on this a little. I think I've noticed in people, including myself, this is when we start messing up, you know, the scripture says, whatever is true, honest, lovely, of good report, I'm missing one.

If there's any praise, if there's any excellence, dwell, think on these things. I think this is when we know we're starting getting next messed up. If all I'm ever doing is thinking about the next time I'm going to do X.

So let's say working out, if I get done working out and all I'm ever doing is my entire life is planned around when is the next time I get to do that hunting, eating, my next meal will look like this in the meal after if all like that with eating.

Right. If all I ever think about is planning, conniving, organizing my life so that this is the next thing. I think that's when we all start to like, you know what, I am dwelling way too much on X. So I think I have seen that.

Happen with exercise. I mean, you had you were in collegiate sports, like high school, like you were.

An athlete. Yeah, I don't think I ever got to the point. I had a friend once when I say all he ever thought about. I mean, he's at work. No matter what, all he's ever thinking about if he was allowed to go to the gym four times a day.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, all every thought, every conversation, every idea, every dream, every future plan of life, every goal, everything was evolved revolved around that. For me, I am. So so for me. I do think no matter what it is, competition or not, we can always go too far.

So like for me, when I was in high school, I was burning about 10 ,000 calories a day. But I had to I had to gain weight. So I had to consume more than that.

And right now I'm just thinking like consuming over 10 ,000 calories. What's that? What's the usual amount for like an athletes at 6000? 2000 is like your baseline for like, you know, general population.

But yeah, athletes are, you know, between 3500 4000 calories. I had to do a lot. What did you. I'm so feel so sorry for your family. Like,.

How did your parents afford on Fridays? I mean, on Saturdays, we may break this. I would eat breakfast. I would eat a 10 egg omelet. And not like I would eat all of it. I had to. I know you did. But I'll.

Like I'll be starving. But I had the most four eggs when I was postpartum and like two pieces.

Of toast. I'll tell you when it got it got to a breaking point for me. Yeah, I'll tell you when it got to a breaking point for me. All right, something's got to give. I was working in Somerville. Seven in the morning, worked four hours, drove the hour and two minute drive from Somerville Town Square to University of Memphis was in class for four hours, did rugby practice.

And then at night, then MMA training, and then went to bed, rinse, repeat. That schedule was not sustainable. That that schedule. That was one semester. And I'm like, all right, next semester, something's got to give.

So there was an example where I'm like, all right. School, work, rugby, MMA, one of these four got to go, because I can't do this again. And ended up being MMA. But yeah, something had to give because then you know, you don't want to compete unless you can do it to the best of your ability, right?

Well, you can only do so much. But Hannah, going back to what Anna said, have you encountered, you know, I'm talking about where all we do is plan. You know, if it's food, if it's exercise.

All right. Have you ever witnessed that before? Yes, I've been that person. All right. Describe that. Is it like what I described? Can you explain your background in fitness and kind of like where you came from?

Because like, we know you're doing well, we know what you do, but just for our audience, like, so I started martial arts when I was nine years old, because I was homeschooled, I had to have a extracurricular activity.

And so I chose martial arts. So I started at nine, and I'm still going now. And I'm 33. So I've been doing it a long time. It's still incredible. But I have worked in fitness, not just like practicing it.

I have coached in it since I was about 15. And so I've not only seen the people that have dedicated their entire life, and all of their time to this. I've been that person. There was a time, I guess I was working at a gym.

And I've worked in gyms just about my whole life. And I started training for the NPC competitions. Those are like the the body figure competitions, you know, where you wear the fancy sequin little suits, and you get the spray tans and you're walking on the stage.

I started training for one of those. And I trained for about a month because I literally had to work out three times a day. I had to eat six meals a day. And with each meal, I had to take like 10 supplements, because you have to keep your you know, all these different levels like exactly right, you have to burn X amount of calories and then your anabolic window and it becomes literally, that's all I did.

And I was not sleeping. I was like you, it's like I would get up early in the morning and exercise. And then by the time I was going to bed, I had to be up six hours later and do it all again. And I did that for about a month.

And every part of my life started to just go downhill. Like I was not thinking about, you know, my spiritual life. I was not thinking about my family, my friends, all I cared about was have did I work out all three times?

I'm tired, but I have to go anyway. It's 1030 at night. Luckily, ATC is 24 hours. Here I go to the gym, I haven't got my third exercise in. That's idolatry, y 'all. Like, I'm not saying people that do these competitions are sinful, terrible people.

But for me, it was not conducive to my lifestyle at all. It was straight up idolatry for me. So yeah, I've been in it a very long time. And I've seen the good, the bad, the ugly. I've been the good, the bad and the ugly.

And I'm very thankful for where I am now. And for like what we offer here, like with the SOG program, you know, it's a free gym. So it's not like you're paying $200 a month. And so you feel like you have to be at every class all the time, work out five days a week, get your money's worth.

You come when you want, you commit how much you want to commit. And that's it. You know, there's not this big, macho man, Randy Savage lifestyle you have to have to work out at our at our MMA gym. So I'm very thankful for that.

Because I'm not used to that at all. Yeah. So I speak in the gym.

So every now and then, you can tell what someone's motives is motives are. Thank you. When it comes to MMA, if someone comes in, and their idea is to best somebody in front of somebody else, right, their intentions, those people we normally, you know, take care of.

That's when I'm like, let me go with that guy. I love sparring with those. I'll let Hannah spar with them. But you can tell someone's intentions. So I think a lot of self care comes down to intention.

What are you trying to do? What's the purpose here? You know, I think there's a lot of leeway in gray area. But the I think what Hannah said, pretty much summarizes it. If we wanted to make this podcast five minutes, we could have just said what she just said.

Right. Idolatry is putting something else as more valuable, more desirable, more pleasurable than God is more important to me than God. Well, the Bible says, Jesus said, what where your treasure is, there is your heart also.

So what do we treasure? What are we treasuring up? If someone had a silent film of my life, so I didn't get to speak to defend myself, and they watched my life, what would they say I treasure? I think of those speed up cameras they use to show plants growing on Discovery Channel.

Yeah, me too. I could man I could get in trouble with YouTube on the like, just just watching the plants are so amazing. But what I'm getting at is what you treasure. Well, I'll move my hands. I wasn't in front of my face.

I don't care that it's in the podcast. You see what I did there? I'm gonna move this one. I'm like, Hannah, I have to what do we treasure? Like, what do you treasure? What is your time invested in? And then if I can make one more connection, and any of y 'all ladies can speak to this.

Take the next connection. Jesus said where your treasure is, what you're storing up, because what is a treasure chest, what you store up, there will be your heart also. Well, then Jesus said, and out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.