The Resurrection and Premillennialism

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I mean, you know, he's busy.

I had so much rather you be on, John, than Andrew, so. Hear that, interruption. Ah, ah. The show just got worse again. Sorry, guys. I thought you weren't going to have to deal with Andrew tonight, but he's back.

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Someone tried to take over the show, but they were trying to prevent our guests from coming in. I hope he's okay.

Maybe I should Wasn't one of those post-meal guys trying to come in and sabotage the show? That's right.

All right, well, I see that we have Pastor Casey back there, so we'll have to bring him in in a minute so he can give another plug for Beulah Baptist Church, where we're going to be. We're going to be there, getting closer and closer.

Anthony, you better start working on your messages.

I mean, just saying. And your tan, otherwise you're going to be glowing in the dark. I have a good tan.

It's this light. I have these big light bulbs in here that make me look really white.

It's a dimmer switch. It's not the light bulb. Look, okay, just put something on that forehead of yours, okay, so that it's the shine.

I'm just wondering if you guys are putting your wife's makeup on to dampen the light.

No, I know how to use the controls on my settings for my camera. Yeah, Anthony.

I'm lucky enough to get the camera on and zoomed in, so.

Oh, all right. Well, I see that we have, Calculus. Man is here. He says he's here, so that's good.

He had a great shirt the other day, for those of you who know calculus and differential equations.

Certain people get that when you wear shirts like that, we'll get it. So tonight, what we're going to do for the topic, to start off before you, if any of you guys have questions, just come on into apologexlive .com.

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And I'm going to give a, you know, we also have, we do this on the Christian Podcast Community. Go to christianpodcastcommunity .org to listen to other podcasts there. And our guest that we're going to have on tonight is one of those podcasts.

It is none other than the author of God Doesn't Whisper, Pastor Jim Osman. And he is the pastor of Kootenai Community Church. And if you want to listen to his weekly sermons, which are excellent, you can go to the Kootenai Community Church Morning Worship, which is one of the podcasts.

And so that is available there. And so let me see, so do you guys have anything else we need to?

Well, yeah, so before we open, you know, so Justin, you know, we should probably tell everybody that's, you know, so just so people understand, we had a good time last week. Oh, you're feeling guilty now.

That's what it is. I don't feel guilty at all. But I want to make sure people do understand that

Hold on, the comments I got, Anthony, was it was really heated, but good. Everyone learned everything, learned things, but everyone was like, wow, that was heated. But yet no one, like I was going, this isn't heated.

Like, this is Tuesday. What are you talking about? We're friends.

We're having a good time with it. But having said all that, you know, there is a good lesson to be learned here, right? Through all this. I mean, in our good conversation last week, somebody, Chris Hunholtz, was in the chat room, was putting some comments in.

And before you get to that,.

Because I did want to bring that, I thought you were going to bring up something else first. I want to preface it with this, is to say this. At Striving Fraternity, we take reconciliation serious, okay?

Anthony found this out when he joined the board at Striving Fraternity. We take accountability. We take reconciliation as a serious thing.

And in fact, the reason why you bring new board members on is you want somebody who has corrected you at some point. And when somebody is willing to correct you, you are willing to ask them to be on your board to help hold you accountable.

And which is actually a wonderful thing that you have as one of your standards. And so, you know, over the years, I think all three, you know, you, I, and Frank, and David have worked well with one another, where if we see something that we say, hey, maybe you should take that Facebook post down.

Maybe you should do this. Maybe you should do that, right? Something that might be a blind spot in one of us. We've been pretty quick to do that and pretty quick to hold one another accountable,.

Whether it's really an issue or not, right? In fact, we actually have a policy that you and I both have been on, receiving ends of, where we have a policy at Striking Fraternity. If somebody sees a Facebook post or any social media post, anyone on the board sees something, and if one of the other board members says, take that down, our first action is to take it down and ask why.

We don't even ask why first. It's just, this is just our policy. So, you know, we take this serious, and this leads up to what you were just about to get into. Yeah, so, you know, there was a,.

As Justin and I were having fun at jabbing each other, as I was having fun winning while he was trying to defend himself. Yeah.

As that was going on. It seemed to me like everybody was saying, you know, Justin's just killing it, man.

But as we were having a good time going back and forth, Chris Honholds was writing in, and, you know, I think he took exception to something that I cracked a joke on to you. And so afterwards, I did reach out to, through Andrew to get his phone number, reached out to him, and Andrew suggested it.

I was going to do it anyway, but I'm thankful that Andrew was there to suggest it anyway. And so Chris and I talked afterwards, it's no big deal. You know, he and I had a good conversation afterwards, and it's not an issue, right?

But it was a heated topic last week. It's a good topic. It's one that I think needs to be discussed further. And there's been a number of people reached out to me who said, Anthony, I agree with you. I wish they would've let you talk more.

Yeah, a few people called you out. But in any case, it'll be a good topic for a different day. Yeah. In the meantime, yes, Striving for Eternity's policy was there in full force there that Andrew was pretty quick to call me and say, hey, you really got to call Chris and make sure you guys are reconciled.

I didn't feel any issues. Chris said he didn't either, you know? But either way, we talked through it, done.

So no big deal. Well, just so everybody knows, I mean, I had no clue about all that. But no, seriously, I didn't. The thing is, is what I want to say in this is I'm kind of an outsider because I'm not a member of Striving for Eternity's board.

I'm not, I don't have any authority there. And in that vein, but these two guys are some of my best friends. And, you know, Andrew holds me accountable. He's my mentor for the seminary I'm going through and he helps me and he guides me.

And if I feel like they're in error, I'll tell them too. Cause I mean, I've dealt with the fear of man for a long time and I got over it, praise God. I think I did, but sometimes I don't, but I try not to, but I also, these gentlemen up here, they hold me accountable.

We hold each other accountable. We don't agree on every single thing under the sun. And eventually they'll get their theology and their doctrine right. And they'll all, no, but even if we don't agree, we love each other more than our disagreements would cause a problem.

You know, we want to hold each other to the highest standard. And these two guys are great mentors in France, so. Thank you.

Yeah, thank you. And we said it was someone we wanted to address cause there were people that saw the comments. We wanted to address that right as the show began. Before we get too much further, I know Jim's backstage waiting.

Yeah, let's bring Jim in. Well, I was going to say, do we want to bring Casey in real quick, just so we can plug what's going on at Buell Baptist Church there real quick? I guess we can do that.

So we don't have to interrupt Jim then. Cause I know we've got a fire hose of information coming out and I'm sure we're going to have a lot of our AMIL and Postville friends listening in and jumping at the bit for the next two hours.

So.

Besides the fact that Jim's a pastor. So he, you know, you can't shut up a pastor, you know, it's just, they just keep going. Anthony, are you sure you're not a pastor? No. So Casey. I'm not a pastor.

He's a pastor and trainee. He's just trying to make sure he goes, you know, that Anthony time thing. So, Casey, tell us about Buell Baptist Church where people can find out about the conference. Yes, sir.

I'd love to share a little bit more.

About Buell Baptist Church, but first I have to weigh in and say, you know, Andrew and Anthony, when I was riding around with you guys as a passenger around in the shepherds conference over there with John McArthur and all these other fantastic guys, you two got into it on a couple of subjects.

And I was in the back seat thinking, man, are these guys friends or enemies?

Oh man. It's the iron sharpening iron. And sometimes when you sharpen iron, you know, it just, it cuts a little. It has some sparks, right?

You guys are really sharp, Ben. That's what I got to say. Well, yeah.

I always liked the fact that in the end of those discussions, I'm always right. In your own eyes. Just like the whole book of judges. Last version. Yeah. All right. So it's a pastor Casey.

Yeah, I don't know if this is going to be visible tonight. You see it? You see it? Pull it back just a little bit. All right, man. I tell you what, well, there's Justin. You can see him at least. There's Anthony and Andrew and the host, of course.

But man, I was just able to go to WTLN. They broadcast from Daytona down to Tampa. And so I'll be advertising this live the week before you guys come down. And this will be on the air on WTLN in between John MacArthur and Chuck Swindoll preaching every morning and then sporadically throughout the rest of the day.

So we'll have plenty of people, you know, hearing about this conference at Beulah Baptist Church. So I'm thrilled about that. And this is the Snatching Them from the Flames seminar that you guys do. And man, I'm telling you, it is so essential.

In our own area, we've got people signing up. We've got pastors bringing people. So it's going to be a fantastic time. And if you're anywhere close to being able to come to Central Florida, now's a good time.

You can go on our website, beulahbaptistwg .org, which you see on the screen right there. There's hotels available as well that you can stay at and you will have a fantastic time for with us there in the seminar.

So that's the quick download. And if you want more information, we could just talk for the next entire two hours on why you guys are coming and how much it's needed. But I just appreciate your willingness to come and help out around here.

There's a matter of fact, there's another church being built nearly right across the street on Highway 50 in the West Orlando area from us. And I went on their website. And again, it's all the experiential mystical worship along with the shallowest preaching ever on the Pentecostal leaning side of things.

And so when you watch their worship services online, it's just craziness. And it's the farthest thing away from sound doctrine. So nevertheless, our area is inundated with false prophets and Paula White being one of them.

And so we're going to show up there and be a blessing to her people, Lord willing. That's that, guys. And I want to shout out to your people and say, hey, consider coming if you're anywhere close.

Yeah, you got a crazy place, right? You had Benny Hensel churches in your neck of the hoods. Paula White's there now. Right down the street is Lakeland where the Lakeland Revival, Todd Bentley, and others have been.

That's where Todd Bentley really made his name, right? Was 45 minutes away from you. So yeah, you're in the midst of all kinds of garbage. Plus the social justice nonsense is really, really big in your area, which I'll be tackling when we're down there.

Yeah, it's going to be fun. To find out more, folks, go to Beulahbaptistwg .org. That's Beulahbaptistwg .org. And you can find out more about the seminar there. So I do encourage you guys to go and check that out.

So thanks, Pastor Casey. We'll put you backstage. We'll bring in none other than the man. Mr. Jim Osman, how are you, sir? Yeah, you're muted. Yeah, there we go. I'm doing well, thank you. Yeah, well, it's good to have you on.

And some of the things that I was thinking we could talk about even tonight is I got a question in our Christian Apologetics Facebook group. They wanted to pose a question. They were looking for anyone that is really good with interpreting dreams.

They want to do a podcast on interpreting dreams and visions. I was thinking of recommending you. It's not my gift, but I know a guy. Yeah. My wife said I should just tell her go find Daniel from the book of Daniel.

But I was suggesting they should go get this guy, Jim Osman, wrote a book called God Doesn't Whisper. Yeah, no, I don't do dreams. Okay, KT is asking, Andrew keeps making me wonder if the guy he tackled is okay.

No, no, actually 911 was called, but he's still unconscious, it's okay. Who did you tackle? Oh, you missed it. I must have. He didn't see that. Oh, well, he'll have to go back and watch. So, the first question I have for you though, Jim, before we get into your sermon and all is, I want to know how well do you sleep?

Sorry, what was that? How well do you sleep? Do you sleep well? I sleep all right, yeah. Yeah, because if not, what I would suggest is that maybe you should go out to mypillow .com and use promo code SFE to make sure you get a good sleep.

I mean, they sponsor the show, so we have to give a shout out to them, right? That's perfect.

It's a good thing your spiritual transitions are better than your pillow transitions.

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They have a lot of discounts you can get there only with the promo code SFE. So, check that out today. And we wanted to make sure we got that done so people know about that. Now, Jim, you did a sermon for Resurrection Sunday.

Crazy to think about. You did it on the resurrection of Christ. Crazy thing on Resurrection Sunday. But listening to it, you had made, the whole sermon was good, obviously, but you made an argument for premillennialism from the resurrection of Christ that really, really got me, that I never heard before.

And I thought, well, since we have, I mean, obviously, we know that some of these post-millennialists are not watching the news. And we know that because they're still waiting for things to get better.

And if Drew from Theology Matters, or Matter of Theology is watching, he's gonna be saying that, his argument is that this is just, there's gonna be a revival coming. See, all this persecution's gonna bring about revival.

And that's gonna be what we're gonna see as the post-mill view. I know you don't hold to that. You hold to a biblical view. And so, what I wanna do is just let you explain some of what you said in your sermon.

And then from there, let's get into, just what is the premill view and things like that.

Okay, I'm kind of surprised a little bit that you even had texted me and asked me if I wanted to come on, because the comment that I made was kind of a throwaway comment. It really wasn't the point of the whole sermon.

I wasn't preaching on premillennialism. But it was a good point. Yeah, it was.

Folks, this is the thing with Jim's sermons. His throwaway comments are still brilliant, okay? This is unlike other pastors who would like, they go and they talk, and it's like, you're looking for the little gems.

The things he throws away are the gems, too.

It was just a small observation that I didn't want to let pass, but I wanted people to just connect it to something that was outside of the sermon. So I was preaching from Acts chapter 13. I'll just kind of, I'll basically give the context of what I was talking about and kind of the argument that Paul makes from this context.

And then I'll tie that in with the observation that I made about premillennialism. In Acts chapter 13, Paul's first recorded sermon in the church in Antioch, the city in Antioch, on his first missionary journey.

There is a parallel, it's parallel in structure, in argument, and in texts to the argument that Peter makes on the day of Pentecost. And I'll get into in a moment why Luke does that with Paul's first sermon.

So Paul begins that sermon by basically tracing the history of the nation of Israel to show that God had fulfilled his promise to, now let me get here to Acts chapter 13 in my Bible real quick, because I'm gonna read some passages out of that.

Paul traces the history of the nation of Israel to show that God had promised the nation a savior and God had made a covenant with David. He makes reference to David in verse 22 of 13, where he says, verse 20, after these things, he gave them judges until Samuel the prophet, then they asked for a king and God gave them Saul, the son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin for 40 years.

After he had removed him, he raised up David to be their king concerning whom he also testified and said, I found David, the son of Jesse, a man after my own heart who will do all my will. And from the descendants of this man, that is from David, according to promise, God has brought to Israel a savior Jesus.

After John had proclaimed his coming, a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel. And while John was completing his course, he kept saying, what do you suppose that I am? I'm not he, but behold, one is coming after me, the sandals of whose feet I'm not ready to untie.

So Paul's basic argument was that the arrival of Christ was a fulfillment of prophecy. And of course, John the Baptist announcing the arrival of Christ was a fulfillment of prophecy. He was the voice when crying, the wilderness makes straight the way of the Lord.

That's Malachi, I think it's chapter three. So everything about the arrival of Christ fulfilled prophecy and so Paul's whole argument is that everything then that happened to the Christ from the time that he came in fulfillment to the promise to David, everything that happened was connected to the promises that God made to the nation and some of those, and particularly some promises that God made to David.

So verse 26, the brethren, sons of Abraham's family and those among you who fear God to us, the message of this salvation has been sent for those who live in Jerusalem and their rulers recognize neither him nor the utterances of the prophets, which are at every fulfilled these by condemning him.

So he's arguing that the condemnation of Christ and the crucifixion of Christ, the rejection of the nation was itself also a fulfillment prophecy, which we all recognize. Verse 28, and though they found no ground for putting him to death, they asked Pilate that he be executed.

When they carried out all that was written concerning him, they took him down from the cross and laid him into him, but God raised him from the dead. And for many days, he appeared to those who came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, the very ones who are now his witnesses to the people.

And he preached to you the good news of the promise made to the fathers that God has fulfilled this promise to our children and that he raised up Jesus, as it's also written in the second Psalm. You are my son, today I have begotten you.

As for the fact that he raised him from the dead, no longer to return to decay, he has spoken in this way, I will give you the holy and sure blessings of David. Therefore, he also says in another Psalm, do not allow your holy one to undergo decay.

Verse 36, for David, after he had served the purpose of God in his own generation, fell asleep and was laid among his fathers and undergo decay, but he whom he raised did not undergo decay. Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you.

So in that passage, the apostle Paul is arguing that the coming of Christ, the rejection of Christ, the crucifixion of Christ, and then the resurrection of Christ are all fulfillments of promises that God made to the nation through the prophets.

You'll notice that he specifically cites three different passages as being fulfilled in the resurrection of Christ. A passage from Psalm 2, where he says in the second Psalm, verse 33, you are my son, today I have begotten you.

And Paul is there arguing that that word begotten, which means bring forth, was intended to be a pictorial prophecy of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, that the father would identify the particular son of David who would fulfill this promise by raising him from the dead.

That would indicate which David's many, at this point, thousands of descendants would have been the Messiah, the one who would sit on David's throne. Verse 34, as for the fact that he raised him up from the dead, no longer to return to decay, spoken in this way, I'll give you the holy and sure blessings of David.

That's a quotation from Psalm 55, where God is reiterating the Davidic covenant to the nation, even in the midst of the destruction of the Davidic kingdom in Isaiah's time, and the dissolution, basically, of the Davidic kingdom in David's time.

He is reiterating the promises that God made to David, saying that these holy and sure blessings spoken of in 2 Samuel chapter seven, where God made a covenant with David and swore to seat one of his descendants on his throne and to rule the nations forever, that that promise was still yet to be fulfilled.

So Paul is making the argument in verse 34 that the fulfillment of the eschatological promises to David required bodily resurrection, and that those eschatological filaments could not have been possible if the son of God were not raised from the dead.

So bodily resurrection is essential to the fulfillment of the holy and sure promises to David. Those promises to David, he will seat one of his descendants on his throne. Those promises must be fulfilled.

And so my argument, and this was my throwaway comment, my argument was that, basically, if your eschatology does not require bodily resurrection, you do not have the same eschatology as Peter or Paul.

And I say Peter because Peter makes the same argument in Acts chapter two. He says it even more explicitly, brethren, I may constantly say to you regarding the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried and his tomb is with us to this day.

And so because he was a prophet and knew that, and now Peter's quoting from the Old Testament, he knew that, quote, God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of Christ.

So in Acts chapter two, Peter is making the same argument that Paul makes in Acts chapter 13, namely that David believed that God would seat one of his descendants on his throne, that that would be the fulfillment of Old Testament promises to David, and therefore God had to raise the Messiah from the dead.

Bodily resurrection is necessary, it's essential for the fulfillment of the promises to David. So my question would be, if you are a millennialist or a post-millennialist, what in your eschatology requires physical resurrection?

Because a millennialist and a post-millennialist would say that Christ is today ruling in the hearts of his people, he's ruling over the spiritual kingdom, he's not ever going to sit on the throne of David and rule physically in this world in a millennial kingdom, a literal physical political kingdom on this earth as it is right now with the curse lifted, but prior to the regeneration of all of creation.

Post-millennialists and non-millennialists would say that that is not going to happen, and therefore I ask you, post-millennialists and non-millennialists, what in your theology, eschatologically, requires bodily resurrection?

Because all of the promises of David, according to an amillennialist and a post-millennialist, can be fulfilled without bodily resurrection, in a spiritual resurrection or a spiritual rule or a spiritual presence in the heart, on a spiritual throne at God's side.

So therefore, since Paul is arguing that bodily resurrection was essential, necessary, for the fulfillment of the promises to David, a literal physical bodily resurrection was essential to that and that those promises could not be fulfilled without bodily resurrection, therefore, Peter and Paul were not post-millennialists or amillennialists.

So that's the gist of my argument.

And so, just to remind folks, if you wanna come in and dialogue with us, go to apologetaxlive .com. Let's click on the duck icon there for StreamYard and you can join us there. Now, there was a Facebook user that said, post-millennialists completely affirm a bodily resurrection, so I don't see your argument here.

You're muted.

I had to take a drink there and clear my throat. That's not my argument. That's not my argument because my argument is not that post-millennialists and amillennialists reject the doctrine of bodily resurrection.

They believe it's soteriologically necessary, but they do not believe that it's eschatologically necessary. So I'm not suggesting the post-mill and amill people deny bodily resurrection. That's not what I'm saying.

I believe that all my post-mill brethren believe that Christ was raised physically from the dead. My question is, what in your eschatology requires bodily resurrection? Requires it to fulfill it.

So, you know, can you give, I mean, I think most folks are probably familiar with the three, you're mentioning amill, post-mill, premill. Just give maybe a quick overview of each of the different positions so people who may be new to this can understand what they are.

All right, so by necessity, I have to paint with a pretty broad brush here because there are gonna be different ways of cashing out each of these eschatologies. But generally speaking, in the broadest possible terms, amillennialists believe that there is going to be no millennial reign of the Lord Jesus Christ, not a thousand-year reign like we see promised in Revelation chapter 20.

They would say that that is, they don't believe that there's going to be a millennium. Some of them would say that, some of them, the full preterists, I think, would say that this is, this right here, our state right now is gonna continue as it is until Christ returns and basically burns up this present creation and creates a new heavens and a new earth.

Post-millennialists would say that Christ is going to return after post the thousand-year reign described in Revelation 20. So our post-millennial brethren would say that Christ is, or sorry, that Satan is found at this time right now, and that this is the millennium, and that the thousand years is not a literal thousand years, but it's simply a figure of speech for a long period of time.

So right now we're at least 2 ,000 years into this shindig. And so it could be another thousand years or another 5 ,000 years or the 10 ,000 years before Christ returned. But eventually over the course of time, things will get progressively better and better.

And there'll be like a stock market that goes up and down and up and down. We're in the downtime right now. Things are getting bad in our country. It might be bad for a period of time, but overall it's trending upward.

It's all getting better. And after we have Christianized the whole world and preached the gospel to the world and won Congress and basically established a Christianized culture, society, and world, then Christ will return.

So we will usher in his return by the Christianization of everything, by making him rule and reign over everything, post-millennialism writ large. Premillennialism is the belief that bodily resurrection is required because Christ is going to return to this earth, and he is going to set up a kingdom and reestablish David's kingdom and David's throne.

And he's going to sit on that throne in Jerusalem, and he will rule and reign over the nations. And that rule and reign will last for 1 ,000 years. During that time, which is according to premillennialist future, Satan will be bound, and the curse will be lifted to some extent.

And Christ will rule and reign here over a political kingdom and fulfill all the promises made to David and all of the Old Testament saints so that the Old Testament saints were looking forward not to the existence of a heavenly kingdom, but the Old Testament saints were promised this Messiah who would come and rule the nations and reign and live forever.

And of course, the necessity for him to physically live for 1 ,000 years would require that death no longer had dominion over him, that he was no longer subject to death. And so for that reason, the Messiah would have to be raised from the dead.

It would be impossible for a descendant of David, who was just an ordinary human being, to assume the throne and live forever and never hand that kingdom off to a son or any other descendant. Instead, it would be required for him to fulfill the promise that this son will rule the nations and he will rule and reign forever, and there will be no end to his kingdom and to his government, there will be no end, and it will expand continually.

That would require somebody who would live forever. So if the Messiah were to come back and to die and then to rise again so that death no longer has dominion over him, then he could fulfill all the promises to David, to literally sit on David's throne in Jerusalem and to rule over that messianic kingdom for 1 ,000 years without dying.

So premillennialism, of course, has to have bodily resurrection to be as essential to fulfill those promises.

Okay, so we got a question here from Kofi for you. He says, question for Pastor Jim. How would you answer the claim that those prophecies were never intended to be understood literally?

I would say they are in the context of what, what promises, what prophecies are you talking about? Specifically the promises to David? That would be the question, I think. So if you're trying to say the old, the promises are prophecies regarding the eternal kingdom, then I would say that some of those, some of those promises and prophecies come in the very same context, sometimes in the very same sentence as prophecies that were fulfilled literally.

So when you look at the prophecies and the promises concerning the first coming of Christ, we don't read of him being born in Bethlehem and say, well, that's probably not really Bethlehem. We don't read of him being born of a virgin.

It's probably a symbolic symbol for something else. It's probably a metaphor for something else. No, all of the prophecies regarding the first coming of Christ were fulfilled literally. Those same prophets spoke of second coming of Christ.

So I think that God has already demonstrated how he intends prophecies to be interpreted by how he has fulfilled all of those prophecies that have already been fulfilled. And that's literally not symbolically or metaphorically or spiritually.

Well, and he says, Kofi ends up saying, yes, the prophecies that would suggest that the earthly kingdom made to David and reaffirmed elsewhere. Yeah. And you know, this is the thing, a lot of people think that when they think of like premillennialism, they think that's more of a newer view, a newer doctrine.

People tend to think that Paul held to it. Yeah, yeah. Well, here's the thing. There's a lot of people who think that Augustine, for example, is, maybe you'll look at him as really the father of our millennialism.

And yet what you end up seeing is with, you know, Augustine, I wrote a paper on his view of revelation, specifically chapter 20. And the interesting thing with Augustine is that he believed in a, you know, in a literal thousand year kingdom, he just thought he was in it.

And so realistically, both premillennialism and amillennialism both get their roots from the same guy, right? And that's Augustine, I mean, from the scriptures, but I mean, you're seeing that both can turn to Augustine because Augustine did teach that there'd be a thousand year literal kingdom, but he would also teach the things that would be used for Amil saying that it's a period of time because he was teaching that they were in it.

Yeah. And that was the thing a lot of people don't understand is that the Amil view that we have today, I don't think really was finalized until Pope Innocent II after 1000 AD. Like people were going, hey, it's been a thousand years.

Like they were expecting something to happen then.

And they didn't realize And then you just redefine a thousand years to be symbolic of a long period of time.