Mormon Street Conversation: Is Jesus God? Part 2

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Hello! How are you? I brought my husband. How's it going, sir? I'm Oscar. Nice to meet you.

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I'm doing alright. She was just talking about who God is. Yes. We believe that there's

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God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. They're all separate beings. Three Gods. One of the questions

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I asked her, when God says he's the only God, there's none before him and none after him, how would you interpret that?

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Well, God the Father, once again, he is our God. But he also had a son,

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Jesus Christ. So that's a separate God, correct? Sure, he's God the Son. There's God the Father, God the

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Son, and God the Holy Ghost. So how do you reconcile that with God saying there's none before him and none after him? Okay, well, once again, he is the

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God of this world. He is... Let's just talk about this world.

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Go for it. So we've got, once again, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. Uh -huh.

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What I would want to ask is do you believe Jesus is

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God? Sure, as you said, he's God. He's Jehovah. He's a different God, though. Is he a lower God, a lesser

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God? Than God the Father? Yes. Well, God the Father is our Father. Just like Jesus is our elder brother, we believe

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Jesus is our elder brother. Was Jesus created? By God the

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Father. Do you think Jesus was created? Well, sure, his mother was Mary. No, no, I don't mean

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Jesus in the flesh. Do you believe that Jesus existed prior to being born? Yes. We all were spirits before we had physical bodies.

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So we weren't created. Pull up. Pull John. John, I got

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John. John what? John 1. John 1, all right. Yeah, that's what I was going to go to.

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Yeah, it's on the ground. All right, go for it. All right. So it says here, it says, in the beginning was the

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Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word was God.

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Right, right. Read the next one. And then it says, all things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

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And that's talking about Christ. All right, there you go. Wait a minute, wait a minute. How do you reconcile that with Jesus being created?

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Because it says everything that was created was created by Christ. Right. But you said that he was created.

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Well, somebody had to be created. No, he's eternal. He's God. No one created him.

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All right, let me... Because I guess our question is, the question

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I was asking your wife is, do you guys understand that we have a different view of who

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Christ is and who the Father is, right? You understand that we believe in the Trinity, Triune God. Well, we believe in Trinity, too.

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You believe in three Gods. So you believe in one God. One God. Three persons. Let me answer this.

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When Christ was resurrected, and Mary was there, and he says, touch me not.

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I have not yet gone to my Father. Your God and my God. So once again...

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Was Jesus also a man? Well, let's just carry that out. So he just said, touch me not, for I have not ascended to my

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Father, your Father, my God, and your God. Sure. Well, who is he ascending to? To his

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Father. Right, so there's two separate beings. No, not two separate beings, two separate persons. What's the difference?

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Well, they have the same nature. So let me show you one thing right here. John 17.

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John 17, 5. Here. And now,

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O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

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God specifically says he will not share his glory with anyone. So God says he will not share his glory...

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So what were we reading there? Verse 5. Verse 5. 5.

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God specifically says he will not share his glory... Glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

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So God said he won't share his glory. It says right here that God, the Father, and Jesus Christ were together before the world was.

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I agree. And Jehovah, we believe Jehovah is Jesus Christ. And he created the world.

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Under... God's direction. Did you find it?

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I did. Let me see my thing. Did he create Lucifer?

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Did Jesus create Lucifer? Jesus didn't create Lucifer. You just said Jesus created all things, though.

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Well... He created the world. He didn't create us. God created... God the Father created us. Alright, can

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I read you something real quick? Can I read you something real quick? Colossians... Can you go to Colossians 1 and 16? This is speaking of Christ.

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No, hang on a sec. I'm going to John again. Okay, go for it. I'm going to read

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John 1 and 16, and you go to John, okay? So in the spirit world, Jesus was our brother.

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So Jesus didn't create us. No, Jesus did not create us. God created us. God the

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Father created us. But the Bible says that everything that was made was made by Jesus. Okay. So how did we get around that?

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Through God. God directed everything. He said, Jesus, go down... Okay, this is the problem. I got you.

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But if Jesus didn't create everything, right? If Jesus is created, he couldn't create everything. When you're talking about things...

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Everything. We're not things. We're people. Okay, let me read this to you real quick. Colossians 1 and 16.

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All things. Everything.

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So it's exhausting the language. Let's roll here. We're going back to John. John 1. In the beginning was the

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Word, and the Word was with God. And the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

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Was the Word God or was it a God? Wait a minute. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made.

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Wait, so let's stay with that. All things were made by him. Does that include Lucifer? No, no, no.

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It said all things. On this earth. We're not talking about people.

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You have to add something to it to make it say that. You just add it. On this earth. Oscar, right?

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And the Word was made flesh. Wait a minute, we go back here. And the Word was with God. The Word was with God.

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It says the Word was with God. So they're two separate things. The Word was with God and then what?

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The Word was God. But it also says here that... And the

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Word was made flesh. And dwelt among us. And we beheld his glory. And the glory as of the only begotten of the

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Father. Of the Father. His body. A body I have prepared for you.

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So when Jesus was baptized. And we heard a voice out of heaven say, This is my beloved Son. We believe that.

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Is he a ventriloquist? No. I think I know the confusion.

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Do you think that I'm saying that Jesus is the Father? Yeah, you're saying they're one. No, no, no, no.

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I'm not saying Jesus is the Father. I'm saying Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. I'm saying they have one being, one nature.

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But the Father is not the Son. The Son is not the Spirit. There is a distinction in the persons.

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But not in the being. I'm confused. I can simplify it. Who created?

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Who created all things? No, no, no, no. God the Father. Now in Jeremiah it says that before he formed

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Jeremiah he knew him. Right. Jeremiah 5. I know what you're talking about.

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I can't remember. Before we were formed in the belly he knew us.

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So God the Father created all mankind. Wait a minute. God the

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Father created all mankind. And his name is Elohim, by the way. Go for it. So God the Father created all human beings.

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He also created Jesus Christ. He's also Jehovah. I want to know how you get to that.

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How do you get to Jesus? What does it mean by begotten? What do you mean?

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The only begotten was God the Father. What do you think begotten means? He impregnated

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Mary. Did Jesus exist before he was in Mary's womb? Sure. As a spirit, we all did. You existed before your mom's womb.

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I know you believe that. But who was Jesus before he was in the womb? Jehovah. So that's not the same.

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When you say the only begotten, I'm saying what do you mean by that? What I mean by that is he had a

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God. God the Father was his father, literal father. And a mortal, he had a mortal mother.

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I got you. In his human nature, right? You're talking about as a human. Wait a minute. He had the power to take up his life at any time.

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Those Roman soldiers and stuff. I agree 100%. He's I am, right? Are you

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Jesus? He says I am. I am. I'm the great I am. Who is that? This is what

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I'm trying to understand. This is what I want you to clarify for me. You said that Jesus was created. By God the

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Father. The Bible says that everything that was created was created by Jesus.

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You have to add that. That's not there. You have to show me that in the text. Show me that in the text.

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Let's just agree to agree. I got to go. Just remember that there are three distinct beings.

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I hear you. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost. The examples are when he was baptized.

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God the Father said I am well pleased. You're talking about persons. You're talking about persons.

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Wait a minute. Then the Holy Ghost descended like unto a dove. So we know they're separate. So why do you believe in some scriptures and not others?

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You believe in that part you just mentioned but when the Bible says Jesus created all things why don't you believe that? You're confusing language.

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When it says all things. I got to go. I'm going to give you one more example. You've got to know that the

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Bible has a lot of confused language. Don't go into that.

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When God says he created all things is that confusing? When he says in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

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Is anything confusing about that? No. Because Jehovah did that. Wait. Genesis 1.

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Is that confusing? In the beginning God created heaven and the earth. Is it confusing? It's not.

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So why is John 1 .1 confusing when it says that Christ created all things? Why is that confusing?

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It's saying the same thing. You're talking about things. You're talking about atoms and molecules and trees and plants.

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Everything is made of atoms. We got to go. One last thing.

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You say one more thing and I say one more. One last thing. Once again when Christ was resurrected he came to Mary and he said touch me not

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Christ I have not ascended to your God no my father your father my God your

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God. Now why do you say that? Is Jesus also a human? He's resurrected.

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He's not human. He's not a human? He's not a man? He's a man but he's glorified. I'm going to tell you why he says that.

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Because Jesus is not simply God. He has another nature where he's also human. That's called the hypostatic union.

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He has a divine nature and a human nature. I've never heard of that. I'm going to ask you this.

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Could God die? No. God can't die? Jesus died. Wait. Did he die?

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Our spirit is not going to die either. Did he die? Could God die? Could God die?

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God could die? Or did a man die? Jesus the man died or Jesus God died?