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This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Wednesday on

this ninth day of November 2022 in the wake of

election day in the wake of Much disappointment in the hearts

and minds of conservatives and Christians around the country who

were expecting with great Anticipation and optimism

and bated breath What they were calling a red wave of

elections where Republicans were being placed into

office and some were even predicting a red tsunami and

Nothing even close to either of those occurred, but we are still awaiting, and I don't know if it's

occurred yet.

I don't know what the final outcome has been yet, but I have been waiting and so have

many waiting with great anticipation to see if the Republicans

Regain control of the House and Senate the house at the time.

I last looked was much more promising.

But we will find out at some point today.

Perhaps even when some somebody in my audience will let us know either way or one of my guests.

But we are conducting part two of a discussion we began yesterday with my

dear friend dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft the third.

He was on yesterday Tuesday the 8th of November to discuss part one of a

Christian looks at the elections through the eyes of the Bible and we are discussing part two of that exact

same theme and Joining us in the second hour.

To add to the discussion will be dr. Nathaniel Darnell.

And I will give him a more formal introduction later on when he joins us in the second hour of

the program.

But in the first hour we have as I mentioned dr. Joe Moorcraft who is an author

and pastor of heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens line radio dr. Joe Moorcraft.

It's always good to be with you.

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We have about six.

Well, I.

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So just please extend to the Saints heritage Presbyterian Church my

deepest gratitude for your faithful support.

We are that way.

Well, thank you again for agreeing to be on the program and

First of all, I just want you to Open up and give us your initial

thoughts in the wake of what you learned About who

won elections who lost elections and the elections that have still not been have still not been

determined 100

Very appropriate name and he is

one

of the

most

in the

United

States

excellent

at

Utah, I

think

and in Arizona.

In

the

United

States

he and it's

embarrassment that Democrat my opinion.

That Democrat not.

Well, he cannot in

fact it is.

I am your new senator.

He didn't even the Pennsylvania's in for

hard times now.

Why I'm not a Republican.

And I'm not a Democrat, but why do

election.

It's so important of

the United States.

See now with

there is the attempt to remove

The last remnant of Christianity from the foundation of this cut.

Forget social come more and

more

coming

to be a

democracy.

The majority of people govern in a democracy.

Nobody's property.

Nobody life is as

we've seen.

Easily

this country was create

public government administered by me and elected by

represent the wishes and

the

institution

is

not

Perfection

in the

modern world.

They don't want

to change it.

They just of course James Madison.

I think it was Madison not fed

Institution

leave

the religion

behind it soon.

He said you can't have

community without can be

well

that faith has

changed and Now the faith of the

majority of Americans is one of anti Christianity and of humanism.

We learn is the vast

majority of Americans or and the vast

majority of America don't even know they are.

Why do a tree

that

was

medical

mandates

another vaccine

keep

Americans

upset

many

times

the

book?

I'm not just talking about you

so narrow.

Applicate.

I have the opportunity and I

teach

and

I tell them that

they have to

them as

individuals in

the United States.

But what does

that

mean what

they are what they

if there's no

real dead?

So

they consider

that

radical.

Well, we

are

going

to

our

first

station

break

right

now

as

well.

Very

well

said

brother.

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We are in part two of a discussion that we began yesterday.

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We're going to be joined by dr. Nathaniel Darnell.

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But we have an anonymous listener and the

anonymous listener is I'm remaining anonymous because It's such a

leftist world out there that my own employment may be in jeopardy if I identify myself as

a pro -life activist, but I'm very disturbed by what I am hearing

from even Republicans in the news.

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That the losses that have occurred Have predominantly been due to

The members of their own party who are running for office who are too extreme on abortion that

gets my blood to boil.

Because they're obviously trying to promote the idea that the next time around we should be

Promoting candidates that are more mild about this very hellish

Issue which is as we all know who are Christian the murder of children I was

wondering how you respond to that very thing.

We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania.

Who has said that.

Let's see.

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Um.

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advocates of abortion abolishment who are

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devices used to detect Heartbeats it can be easily cheated in

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States

are

passing.

I

don't

believe

we

should

as

I said

yesterday

for

many

many

years.

One time that it

had never had a well

Joe.

I would like you to have several minutes to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our

listeners today.

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There's a very

influential

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man

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Joe, well, we've got to go to work midway break, but that's a great way to end the segment with you and we're gonna be

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political activist in Georgia and a board member of the Georgia Republican Assembly.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to iron trip and Zion radio dr. Nathanael

Darnell.

Raphael Warnock and saying

with dr. Moore craft it is

a politic dr. Moore craft the last hour you were with him.

He laid out great presuppositions from the Bible and how we should be my wife are very passionate

about.

We work and in several different capacities in politics here, Georgia.

Like you mentioned with the Republican Party my wife's on the board of Georgia rights life.

She works closely with Ricardo Davis who I know you've had on the program before as well.

And I just saw him at.

I just saw him at a Bible conference in Knoxville, Tennessee.

He approached my my iron sharpens iron radio exhibitors booth and

Recognized me immediately and gave me a very warm greeting and told me how much he loved my interview with him.

Yeah, your program

is fantastic.

Well, give us your rundown of what has taken place.

Give us any updates that you may have that you didn't already say and.

Tell us how we as Christians should respond to this when we are.

Reflecting upon everything that has occurred through biblical eyes.

Well, there's a lot of things go

governs

in the affairs

of men.

It's not the pundits that control the outcomes.

It's ultimately the Lord Jesus Christ who is sovereign.

He sets up one He raises up another and so we need to trust in him and we can't have confidence.

I've had so many people reach out to me today and just press their anxiety that so many elections and

Didn't turn out the way they'd hoped or certain things are still in fence.

And and it's wonderful that we can have peace and trusting in God's sovereignty that he does raise up.

And you know one and he sits down another and that's our peace and our hope throw off all day.

But some as dr. Moore craft, you know was mentioning there in the last hour we're pleased by the way to be members of his church as

heritage Presbyterian of enjoyed learning from him over the years and He did a

great job presenting there.

But we are hoping that Herschel Walker will pull out a win in the end, you know.

Appreciate how he's come out strong for the pro -life cause and against all exceptions for abortion.

He's been under attack because of certain things in his past that folks have told us he's

repented of and and gotten right before the Lord a long time ago and and made right in his life and.

Weren't there other things though that he said were absolutely fraudulent slanders.

Yes, there were there were many things that which

ought to cause us to

be skeptical of the

accusations anytime.

Somebody releases the last -minute Activation like we saw with judge Roy Moore a few years ago when he was

attacked, you know.

One month before his election was up.

Even though he had been a public figure for decades and had run for office statewide many times have been elected

with the controversial Character that had garnered attention all across the country somehow out of the blue

these women came out and attacked him.

And it was just very You know very uncredible.

It was sad that that Election got turned against him because of those accusations and thankfully,

you know Judge Moore ended up winning that defamation lawsuit a few months ago, which I think was

vindication for him.

But that's the problem is you know in the short term the outcome may be very hurtful for an election

and Person may not be able to clear up their good name for several years after the election over.

That's all that matters to the Democrats and the liberals and the other not haters and

politics is how do we win that election?

Whatever it takes?

So now having been raised from childhood in At I

should say heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia I'm assuming that you

share the theology of dr. Joe Moore craft.

I'm assuming that you are a believer a firm believer in the sovereignty of God over all things and

you are a Solid believer that God is the one

who? raises up leaders and Sometimes they are wonderful and

godly leaders who serve their citizens well,

and sometimes they are Dishonest they're liars.

They're bloodthirsty.

They want to Give women the freedom to murder as many babies as

they choose even for the most trivial of issues.

No, right.

No reason is a good reason but they don't they don't Care what the reason is

it could be that the woman doesn't want to gain weight and if you know That's a that's a good enough reason for them

With God.

Sometimes as I just said rise it raises up those kinds of leaders

Tyrants dictators throughout history there have been many far more

Barbaric and bloodthirsty than we have experienced even in our day.

So in your opinion, why does God do that?

Okay, why did

God

intend

that

is to make right once again

you mentioned the abortion issue and and that's definitely one.

That's very near and dear to our family where my wife and I are working here.

We actually had Jeff Durbin from apology.

I come into Georgia and meet with pro -life activists and

legislators to talk about legislation.

Yeah, just just a good friend of mine.

Yeah, he's a he does a lot of

great work has a lot of

great material on his show

organizations including but um, but yeah

you know, the heartbeat bill was passed here in Georgia, you know, and Everybody thinks abortion is over in

Georgia, but it's not there's the heartbeat bill has many exceptions.

Like dr. Moore craft was talking about these exceptions are unbiblical.

They're eugenic.

Exceptions you've been raped

or 15 weeks, you know, I'm the heartbeat, you know.

It's okay to murder your baby or if there's you know, there's a vague fetal abnormality.

You can kill the baby.

And and that's even beyond a heartbeat or even beyond fetal pain you can murder the baby virtually almost up

to the time of the baby's birth.

That exception is allowed in Georgia law and you ultimately allow the doctor to be the one to decide.

Abortionist gets to be the one to decide if he can hear a heartbeat.

Which kind of a conflict of interest because he makes money performing abortion.

So in Georgia here We've got Alabama and Tennessee have more or less shut down all

their abortion clinics and we have people coming over the state line.

Have their abortions in Georgia.

So there's a lot of work to be done.

My wife will tell you about Getting rid of abortion here.

And and that's what we are in the thick of right now.

If you could make sure that you're speaking closely into whatever device you're using because you're very faint

in the distance.

Just a little.

Nathaniel and I were privileged to be down at the Georgia Capitol on Thursday.

We were delivering petitions Georgia right in life and several other organizations had collected thousands of

petitions.

And we were able to deliver those personally at the governor's office.

And it was just this very beautiful moment where we had Some local pastors come and just brought a message a

very sort of Esther like appeal To the governor on behalf of the lives of the pre -born who are being

threatened by one of Georgia's 13 open abortion mills.

And we've been praying for him to being a special legislative session to abolish abortion completely.

But it's going to be a very uphill battle now that he has been reelected.

It's going to continue to be uphill.

He said he's not interested in putting any more restrictions on abortion than he already has and

I'm hoping to Abolish abortion completely, but I'll tell you one of the challenges that we're facing is

that people kind of have this stereotypical Stereotypes in their minds of what a woman

a pregnant expectant mother seeking abortion.

It's like and they kind of tend to think that it's all the exact thing like it's always a 16

year old.

Always her first pregnancy and the truth is that I mean that happens sometimes

sometimes she's coerced sometimes she's very young, but then there's also the other really ugly side

and really a depravity issue and.

So the challenge that we're facing is trying to you know convince Thousands of Georgians that we

need to abolish abortion and that we need equal justice For all of the pre -born

and that means that you would treat them.

You know criminalize abortion the same way you would criminalize murder, and that's the challenge.

I definitely appreciate your prayers now.

Let me ask you a question.

Have you ever spoken?

With a woman who is a feminist pro

-abortionist.

Pro -infanticide even though they don't want to use that term themselves obviously.

Who has had as you have had a child?

It is mind -boggling that there is any or that there are.

Any.

Women who are pro -abortion who have carried a baby to full term and delivered it

knowing how that baby moves within their stomachs

the kicking Everything else that is going on as it develops.

It is absolutely astonishing to me that any woman Could go through that

and rejoice in giving birth and say yes.

I believe a woman should still have the right to murder that.

How do you have you ever had a conversation about that with a pro -abortionist woman.

Yeah, in fact I had a conversation last year with a woman who was very angry.

We were holding signs along the side of the road for life signs.

And she came up to me, and she was very very angry.

And she said apparently she's the story unfolded she put her child up for adoption.

The mother with other children put one child up for adoption, and she came to me angry and said she wished

she had had an abortion because of the emotional trauma to her from having put the child up

for.

Wow.

And I was yeah very shocked and floored by that.

But I think sometimes people tend to think that women because we're so feminine.

And I don't know feminine charm or what but sometimes people forget that women are depraved too.

We're in need of redemption.

We're capable of such things as murder.

Well, I I don't need to be reminded of that every time I see Nancy Pelosi.

That is enough of a reminder.

Yeah.

You know.

With elective abortion we see that when the laws of a state are in conflict with the law of God It

actually encourages sin and helps people justify it because I mean it's legal right.

And So when civil law actually mirrors the law of God such as if we had abolition

in place here in Georgia It furthers the gospel by convincing people of sin and

revealing their need for salvation.

And of course not every sin in the Bible is a crime, but we know that murder certainly is and So

I think sometimes Christians miss an opportunity to advance the gospel if we're kind of

Complacent and you know don't really care and apathetic about the murder of the pre

-born.

Now, how do you respond.

And this could be an answer that either or both of you can give? to the

tired worn -out response that Pro

-infanticide individuals give to those of us who want abortion abolished.

And they will say you people do not care about

Babies after they're born through Their childhood through adulthood

till the time of their death.

You don't.

Care about them enough to financially take over the

responsibilities for raising that child.

If You want to force a woman to give birth to it who would rather

Terminate that pregnancy which of obviously we know that's a very pretty and polite way of saying

butchering a baby, but How do you respond to people when they say that?

Principle of jurors hyper talked about.

It's lifetime and not everything is the jurisdiction of the civil government.

Children is primary the state is not

suppose.

They don't want a family though these people who are murdering their babies.

Yeah, these people are murdering babies and the Bible says that

worse people other people to the baby.

Bring up

other people

since the

voluntarily help where we can.

There's a lot of people I know who are willing to adopt.

Who want to adopt.

Who are would be you know.

Very eager to adopt and and they've made it very bureaucratic and hard for people to adopt in many cases inexpensive.

And we could make that a lot easier to be sure but we ultimately should not expect that if two people you

know Are irresponsible with with their sexual activity or outside of

marriage or something like that?

That other people are have to clean up their mess for them.

They should not abort and murder that baby.

And if they bring the baby to full term they can put it up for adoption.

And other people many people be willing to care for that child.

But really understanding jurisdictions the Bible gives civil government the authority to Stop murderers.

It does not give the civil government the authority to force other people to pay for other people's children

through socialism.

That's a violation of the principle thou shalt not steal thou shalt not covet now isn't it true that there are

so many?

Christians out there who want to adopt anyway who unfortunately because

of the bureaucracy that Leftists have created in an in adoption

and making things really difficult to adopt a lot more difficult and a lot more Expensive

than it should be this slows down the process a great deal, but aren't there?

Countless numbers of Christians out there who want to adopt anyway.

I would love to

see the Christian Church not only reach out to children that need adopted But

also reach out to the family.

So if you have if you have a mother who's concerned about not being able to provide for Her child or you have a

couple who are maybe still in school I would love to see more Christians reach out and sort of

adopt that family instead of pulling the child away and Pretending like God made a mistake in allowing this

couple to conceive this child.

At this time I would love to see us accept the sovereignty of God say okay. God gave this couple this child.

What can we do to help this couple be responsible and Share the gospel with them and disciple

them and maybe adopt that small family instead of just adopting the child.

I think that would be more in keeping actually with you know, God's love for the family and

More in keeping with a sort of biblical worldview than just thinking about the children.

We have Bob go ahead.

Because a part of our mission and our family ministry has been really helping our fellow Christians recognize that God is

the lawgiver and that He established the standard of right and wrong and it was interesting to me.

I was on the College of a Christian a Christian campus On their campus doing for life

outreach a couple years back.

And I talked to some students for a long time who were professing Christians.

And they were so ignorant of any concept of jurisdiction and what the civil government ought to do.

They couldn't bring themselves to see civil government as doing justice because in their mind with

their government school indoctrination.

Leading up to this Christian college experience.

They really thought that the role of civil government was to give you stuff to give you free stuff

and After talking to them for a long time. I realized that justice was not

even within their definition of what civil government ought to do and I was so grieved by that

and I came away thinking wow we really need more Christians to be talking about justice and

Being able to define it from the Word of God and be able to talk about the distinction there the civil

government bears the sword and Does justice and we as individuals do charity and

that whole that whole concept was really lost.

I think it's lost on a lot of young people today, which might have actually led to the election results that we saw yesterday.

We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York who has a question.

What has been your most effective method?

When preaching the gospel and trying to convince a woman not to kill her

baby.

Really think

that people tend to assume that a woman who is an expectant mother about to have an abortion

Is different from everybody else and I in fact I think she's at root very much the

same like she just wants ease and convenience and pleasure and

You know sees the child as an inconvenience and so I think she just needs the same gospel we all need is to repent of sin and

trust Christ and I've been encouraged to see some of the

The opportunities folks have had here in Georgia, especially in Atlanta outside of the abortion mill they're just preaching the

gospel and they see women change their minds and Often even convert it

or at least feel a sense of conviction of sin.

Now there are some who are involved in

Abortion protest I mean those who would agree with us that abortion should be

abolished who have a demeanor about them that

Has given a a bad reputation to those who are

Passionate about preserving the life of the unborn.

They might be yelling and screaming at these Women.

Now we understand the outrage we understand the righteous indignation.

But is that kind of approach appropriate in your mind for?

Truly biblically literate and informed Christians to be Yelling at the top of their

lungs.

And I'm not.

I'm not saying that it's wrong to amplify somebody's voice but I'm talking about screaming at somebody with

a In a manner that appears to be just fueled by hatred.

Yeah, you know

you I think that

accusations and a kind of condescending.

And that seems to be the the tone that some

people have adopted.

I think other people have been falsely accused of adopting that tone who are simply trying to speak the truth and

Remind folks that you know, this is murder.

There is a within the pro -life community a certain fear of using the m -word.

They don't want to call it murder.

They may say that abortion is bad and don't do it, but they don't want to actually say that those who do do

it are murderer and Even if it's the doctor or the father.

And especially if we're talking about the woman.

Oh, please don't say that she's a murderer, but the Bible does call it murder.

And you know, we need to gently remind folks of that truth and not leave it there you

know give them a hope for repentance and hopefully Prevent them from having the abortion and if they've had

abortions help them to know there's grace and forgiveness.

But but society needs to acknowledge that that is murder as God's Word says.

One area where someone would say well politics is downstream of culture, but I believe it's

also true that Culture is downstream of politics

so in our politics we have I was looking at a lot of the constitutional amendment questions that

Passed or failed around the country yesterday and the way they word it is all about reproductive health

and reproductive freedom.

And I think to some degree our politics our people in political power have Influenced the

culture for evil and I think that's something we see that happen in the Bible at first Kings 14 and 15, you know

Jeroboam who did sin and made Israel to sin and So we see clearly how kings

and people in leadership position Can and did use their positions within

Leadership to lead people away from God and away from his law.

Make another example of that in modern times would be the LGBT movement, you know, they didn't like slowly slowly

You know increase in cultural influence and then finally see some victory on the political side

they see victory in certain leadership positions in politics and

Then thereby change culture from the top down.

And so on one hand, yes We are seeing that politics is influenced by the culture.

But and you know, it's an outcome of broken families weak churches but on the other hand part of why

we have broken families and weak churches and women walking into abortion facilities and Thinking it's totally

okay is because of those wicked leaders who have popped down they reward laziness

Irresponsibility promiscuity, you know extra handouts for single mothers.

Those sort of things they reward homosexuality and that You know Joe Biden was meeting with a

trans person just recently and giving them a pedestal and Then of course

indoctrination in the school.

So I think we see how that they are part of the problem.

And so I think would be a great mistake for us as Christians to withdraw from politics and say well We're just going to focus on

changing the culture and eventually it'll it'll spill over into politics.

When actually politics is a vehicle for influencing the culture.

Well, we have to go to our final break right now.

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Yeah, I

know there's

the false idea going on that.

You know politics is secular.

God doesn't have anything to do with politics that

you know I check my Bible when I walk in the Capitol building it has nothing to do with with

God and that's a false idea that I think has been.

Well, dr MacArthur he saw how the politics was getting

into the church less inclined to and.

And Christians are awakening to that need to be involved in politics.

If we're not involved in politics the bad guys are the ones that are defining the terms and helping people to

look at it the way they do.

And Humanism believes that politics is the alternative Savior.

All you got to do is read the second humanist manifesto where it clearly says there is no God.

Therefore we must save ourselves.

How do we want to save ourselves?

Statism global one -world government abortion homosexual Homosexuality destroy

marriage, etc.

And So this is a false God that we are fighting in politics and in order to get people to not Try to seek

salvation from the state.

They need to look to Jesus Christ and we've got to fight in this arena.

Anything else you like that Abby?

I'd just like to add that a great way to do that is just organizing your church.

And the fellow Christians in your community.

We have saw some folks up in northwest, Georgia to seek a local mask mandate last year.

We see some folks who are organizing parents and they found out that Planned Parenthood Sex -ed curriculum was about to be taught

in their school.

And so I think if you just pay attention to one level of government at a time or one issue at a time.

Get involved organize your local community start an email list and that would be a great way for folks to

make an impact.

You can't do everything but you can do something and I think God calls us and have a mandate from God to promote a

society That's characterized by justice.

Well tell our listeners how they can get in touch with you.

How do they get in touch with us?

Yes your website, etc.

Well, we have a foundation that we've been working on together

Albania and that's a great outlet for Christians to get involved in the Republican Assembly organization because they help to hold

Republicans accountable to their professed principles.

And then Georgia rights life.

There's rights life organizations all over the country.

Georgia rights life org. I believe is the website or for that.

Personhood Alliance on the national level.

In another state you can go to person personhood alliance .com.

Yeah, that is

the national unique

DNA and

amen.

And.

Are you two available to speak at events at churches and schools and other places?

Absolutely, we'd be honored to do the political

gatherings and Church gatherings.

We actually have

it on another buying.

You know, that's especially with

all the lockdowns and vaccine mandates and we

got to address that subject On that panel and so we're happy to participate in other

things like that around the country.

And we've certainly done a lot of that around the state of Georgia.

We'd be honored here.

Well, I thank you so much for being my guest today and I want to thank everybody who listened.

Especially those who took the time to write.

I apologize to anybody whose question could not be Read and answered due to the time

restraints that we had.

But I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater

Savior than you are a sinner.

Amen.