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Dead Men Walking starts now. Oh, well, hello everyone.

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Welcome back to another episode of Dead Men Walking podcast. I'm your host, Greg Moore. You can find us at dmwpodcast .com.

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And you can go to that link as well too. All right, now that we got the business out of the way, we have two guys in studio.

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If you're watching, you see them, but you're gonna hear their voices in a minute. I'm gonna have them introduce themselves. We just got done finishing up one of their episodes for their podcast they invited me on, and it was an absolute joy.

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My voice is going a little hoarse because they just put me to work on that thing, man. No, I'm just joking. We have

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Parker and Nick from the Watch Well podcast. Guys, how you doing? Doing great, man. Doing well, thanks for having us. Thanks. I tell everyone this as soon as I meet you,

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I'm jealous. I wanted to think of your idea for your podcast. I'm mad that I didn't because it's just such a great idea.

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You guys have a guest, watch a movie, then you discuss the movie, and it's not just like a generic movie review.

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I mean, we really got into the depths of what's the worldview of the character? What can we take away from this as believers?

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In this movie, do we see justice, evil? What are some characteristics of God and principles of the

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Bible? It was just amazing, and I think it's such a great idea, but before we get into what you guys are doing on that podcast, can you each give me maybe a little short bio about yourself so the listeners can find out about you?

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We'll start with Parker. Okay, yeah, I'm Parker Brown. My wife's name is Kayla. We've got two boys,

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Ronan and Riker. We've got a four -year -old and a one -year -old. Yeah, that's pretty much all

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I do. That's my life. We do jujitsu. That's all I got, man.

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We're pretty basic, we're pretty basic. We enjoy family time and talking about theology all the time, so.

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Yeah, and so I'm Nick. I'm actually, Parker lives in Ohio. I'm from Indiana. You're from Indiana, too.

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I'm gonna get off in 500 different ways, but so I married, my wife's name is Katie. Two kids, 15 and nine, or no, 15 and six, not nine.

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Well, what am I thinking? Man, she grew up fast. Advanced that a little bit, yeah. Just finished kindergarten, 15 and six, so big nine -year age gap,

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I think, is what I was getting at there. Yeah, so I'm also on a pastoral team at a church in our community and have been for 10 years now, but I work full -time at a youth -serving agency completely separate from the church, so yeah, that's my bio,

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I guess. Nice, so what made you guys think, well, first of all, how did you two connect?

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Because I had a co -host on this, Jason Hamlin, for a couple years, and it's so hard, even for two guys just busy to get together to go, okay, we're gonna commit to study and prepare and watch, in your case, watch a movie, and how did you connect, and how did you guys both go, yeah, this is gonna sound like a good idea to do a podcast together?

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I'm always interested in that relationship. Nick's my cousin. Yeah, so we actually didn't even get into that in the episode we recorded.

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Yeah, we're family, we're related, so there's that, but in terms of the origin of the idea of the podcast, so I was, as a college student,

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I was just thinking about the conversations that I would have with my college buddies after we would go to a movie, and I was really thinking about the movie

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Inception. After that movie, the top's spinning, and it doesn't fall, right?

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The movie cuts before it falls, so it's subjective about what actually took place, was it all a dream, and those conversations about starting at that point always, we were a bunch of Christian guys, always went into how does this relate to our faith, and I was thinking about those conversations, and that eventually became an idea for a blog that never got started, never did anything with it, and then

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I became a youth pastor, and we did movie nights with the kids in our youth group, and we would ask questions, biblical questions, what about this character, and the things that you mentioned we talked about on the episode that we recorded.

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We would do all that with the youth kids, and they loved it. Like, it helped them build and connect worldview and real life things to, you know, like movies aren't just entertainment, or isn't just entertainment, but there's something being said, and we can, anytime someone is saying something about what they believe, you can assess that based on your biblical worldview, and see where they connect, see where they differ, and all those various things, but then

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Parker, I think it was probably at Ronan's first birthday party, I think, probably around that time, was talking about starting podcasts, and he was talking about getting things going, and he's like, we should start a podcast together, and we had no idea what the topic would be, what the, you know, what would we do, and then

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I sent him a write -up of the movie Fences that I did when I thought I was gonna do a blog, and then, so he said, that should be our podcast.

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There you go. So there we go. I think, so the first, was it the first two or three episodes, we just went off of those blog posts.

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Yeah. Never got posted. I think it was only the first one. Was it the first one? Fences was our first episode, yeah.

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Wow, yeah. So yeah, like I said, you guys take the movie, and you,

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I mean, we really broke it down, and you guys both, even on the episode that I was just on, and we reviewed

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Tombstone, which I think there's a lot there to review, I don't see anyone else doing that, and I told you guys that both.

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Like, if I go out into the podcast search bar, and I'm looking, I can find people who review movies and are cinephiles, and they're non -believers, or even believers that are just giving you a movie review, like, oh, this is safe to watch for you and your family.

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That's not what you guys are doing. It's not just necessary. Give a synopsis and a little review. And I know in my episode, we touched on cinematography a little bit, and writing, and depth of character, but also getting into almost the theology of it was really exciting for me.

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What do we see in this character that reflects A, B, or C? Or, you know what I mean? Was that always from the onset?

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That's kind of how we were gonna do it and try to get really deep into it? Or was there some discussion there, like, no, we need to?

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We wanted to keep the apologetic nature of the podcast, or of the blog posts, kind of central to the podcast idea.

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Because we wanted to equip listeners, or movie watchers, with a way to actually practically not just kind of hook up to the

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IV drip of just entertainment for entertainment's sake but we wanted to kind of just invite people into what we do when we watch movies.

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Yeah, and so when I saw what you guys were doing, because that's what I've been doing with my family, my oldest is 14, since they've been watching movies.

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We may watch something that has, look, and we're not getting into ultra -violent or sexually grotesque, but some things that some people probably deem content -wise is too, my kids are too young for that movie, but we would sit them down, watch them with it, and then have a discussion afterwards.

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Like, okay, the main character, were they godly, not godly? Where did they get their motivation from? What should they have done different?

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What did they do right? Right, and really found, and do that with music as well, too. Like, you know, my kids were young and they're singing

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Bohemian Rhapsody. I'm saying, well, what, this is a man that's struggling against his sin and depravity, and then, you know, like, what does that song actually mean?

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So I've always been big on, like, let's explain and let's really dive into what this entertainment is that we're watching or listening to or creating, and you guys are doing that with movies, and I fear, like,

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I don't know what you guys think, I feel like most believers really don't do that too much.

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I mean, there's a sect of, like, reformed believers I know that are really into it. I know Doug Wilson's big on preaching that and doing it, but I just don't find many people outside of that that go, yeah, let's actually sit down and dissect the art that we just took part in and then divide that by the word of God and what was good and right about that, and what wasn't, and why do you think that character acted that way?

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I think you can get a lot out of that, even if you're not doing it for kids, just between friends, and that's what you guys are doing on the podcast, so it's like,

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I think you're filling a void that, you know what I mean, that we just don't even have within the

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Christian community in general that we should be doing. You guys created a podcast out of it, which I think is cool.

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That's awesome, yeah, I think, were you gonna say something? Go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say, I think we wanna,

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I guess my big thing is bringing back critical thinking, and I know that sounds maybe kind of lame to say or harsh or whatever, but when you watch something, it's so easy to just adopt what the movie's telling you or what the story is telling you.

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It's so easy to just watch something and then just take it at face value and go about your day and not really think, but if you really wanna litmus test for what the world, where the world is in terms of worldview or whatever, look at art, look at the entertainment industry and either one, understand where it's at or two, use it to combat itself.

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Because our big thing on the podcast is you have to know Christ to understand story because there's no, without Christ, there's no reason for relating to anything in the story itself.

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Yeah, there's no beauty, there's no justice, there's nothing. Yeah, absolutely. That's a good point. Yeah, and an example of that is we did a review of the movie,

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Inception. It's probably one of our lowest quality episodes in terms of, I think we had some malfunctioning equipment or something, but in that movie, if you watch

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Inception, and I know I already mentioned it once, the climax of the movie comes when

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Dom, the main character, is confronted with his, if you haven't seen it,

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I'm sorry, this might not make sense, but - Spoiler alert. Yeah, spoiler alert. Even if it is a spoiler, you're not gonna know what it means.

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It's 10 years old. If it's a spoiler by now, you should've seen it already. He comes, he's confronted with his mental projection of his wife, right?

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And what he thinks of his wife is trying to convince him to stay, right? Stay in this dream state so that we can be together and we can be together forever because you miss me, you're grieving over her death and all of that stuff.

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But there comes a point where he has to choose between going on with his mission and bringing resolution there or his own mental projection of his wife and his grief over his wife.

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But the choice that he makes isn't necessarily that one. It's, he says something like, she says, don't you love me, stay with me, stay here with me, and then he says, you're the best

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I could do, you're just a projection, and you're not good enough. You can't represent my wife in all of her beauty, all of her complexity, all of what she really was.

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You're just a projection, you're the best I could do, but you're not good enough. So what if we take that? How does that relate to the way that our mind crafts idols?

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Sure. Like these imposter gods that we craft to our own liking.

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They're just these projections in our mind of what is good, what is pure, what is holy, but when you compare them to the real thing, they don't measure up.

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And we have to shed those imposters, deny those imposters to actually get to the real thing.

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So just things like that, asking why do we relate to this? Why does this actually connect with us on an emotional level or on an intellectual, whatever it might be, why do we relate to this?

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What is it about the human condition that inevitably at the end of Endgame, when all that happens with Tony Stark, we're gonna have tears in our eyes, why?

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Why do we respond to story that way? And what is it about this character that made us respond that way?

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So those are the kinds of questions that we're trying to bring out rather than just taking it and saying, oh, that was a fun movie.

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And there isn't any question or any emotional response to a movie that you can have that doesn't end in because God, because of creation, right?

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Yeah, absolutely. That's pretty cool. So shifting gears here a little bit, I just, this has popped into my head, but what is your favorite movie, each of you?

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You can have a different answer, but for each of you that you've reviewed so far, which one was the most enjoyable? And not just because of the, it's not like, oh,

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I like that guest, or I like the actual movie that you got to talk about and you were like, yeah, that one was, that was my favorite one to dissect.

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I really enjoyed Dead Poets Society. Okay. So that's a Robin Williams movie. That was a really good episode.

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We did have a guest on that one that picked that movie. So I enjoyed that one. And I'll throw out another one.

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The movie Free Guy. It's not very well known. It's a Ryan Reynolds movie. It came out at the height of COVID.

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So like it was a streaming only release. It never made it into the theaters. But that's - Called Free Guy? Free Guy, yeah. What's that about?

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It's about - It's really fun. Yeah, it's a fun movie. It's about a character in a video game, in an open world video game, who gains consciousness.

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Consciousness. Okay. So it's all about him experiencing freedom that he never had before. Right. Yeah, so it's like the

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NPC, non -person character. Yeah. And he becomes sentient. Sentient, yeah.

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Yeah. Oh, I like that. He becomes aware. So it's really fun. I think mine - How about you? I think mine would have to be A Quiet Place. I can't remember.

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I think it was maybe A Quiet Place Part Two. It was those two movies that we did, I think were pretty good.

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I don't think I've seen that. Is that the one in there where they can't talk or something? Yeah, can't make any noise. They can't make any noise.

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That one, because remember when he's in the boat and he jumps off and he gets back on the boat and then the key to that movie was the daughter's hearing aids, right?

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And he opens his mouth and it's like the hope, he saved the hope and the hope comes out of his mouth.

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Yeah. No differently than a Christian, hope comes out of our mouth when we preach the gospel, share the gospel.

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So there's a lot of parallels that you can make in every single movie that relate back to our faith. And one of my favorite,

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I think we talk about this often. One of my favorite aspects of the podcast is that you can be anywhere in your

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Christian faith and participate. Right. You don't have to have a level of maturity.

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You don't have to have Romans memorized. You can enjoy this at any position in your faith and you can still do the exercise.

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Yeah. I bet you guys are just a riot watching movies with non -believers. They're just like, you're like, and watching

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Avengers, see that? That's like, it's a Christ figure right there. Shadow of Christ. You know why you like that? Come on, man.

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Can I just watch the movie? I didn't come for a sermon. Come on. No, that's good though.

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No, it's a unique way to do that. And we were talking offline before how

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I've just been really upset that the Western Christian church has just kind of given up art to the pagans for the last 75 years, a hundred years.

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Like, oh yeah, you guys can just have that. You get music, you get movies, you get paintings, you get sculpture.

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It's like a hundred plus years ago, it was only the Christians that were creating all the beautiful things.

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You know what I mean? It was like, what happened? That stuff belongs to us.

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Now we convert old warehouses now. That's what Christians do now. Are you talking about -

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They're like Walmarts. For churches? Yeah, for churches. Movie theaters. Okay, now you just brought something up here that's been a sticking point for me.

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This is what the podcast is all about. You guys tell me what you think of this. I don't like that at all.

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I think they're just, and I'm not saying you should be concerned with how much it costs or the way it looks, but I think it needs to be beautiful.

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The house of God used to be an aesthetic where you would go, that is different. That is honoring him.

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I mean, yes, it's Old Testament, but he gave very specific instructions on what that temple looks like.

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And the churches in America are just so ugly. We're just like, oh, it's a big warehouse. And look,

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I go to a church that we make fun of. It looks like a big, I mean, we built it. It's not in a strip mall. It's a big box warehouse, two levels, concrete floors.

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And we're like, right. But at the same time, there's something gorgeous about, and maybe because churches have just gotten too big, but 150 seat cathedral, 200 seat cathedral, woodworking, iron, stained glass.

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I don't know. Something draws me. They're like, I can be in there and go, okay. Even the natural beauty of this building using natural wood and glass and stone reminds me of creation and of Christ.

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And I've got, you know, I don't know. Are you guys picky on that at all? Or do you think, I don't know.

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Should we get back to that maybe a little bit more? I know a couple of pastors that are actually doing that where they're like, no, we're going to save our money.

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And when we get to this extreme amount of money, because everything's so expensive now to build, we're going to build a smaller church, but it's going to be visually pleasing.

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And you know what I mean? It's not just going to be the, oh, the old Kmart is here. Walmart is in storage places.

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Now a church, you know? I don't know. Is there, is there anything to that? Am I being too legalistic?

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Am I legalistic? No, I don't think I see. I think when you get into beauty and by no means, am I an expert? I just, and I'm kind of thinking of this off the top of my head, but I do agree that beauty reflects

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God. And if God is, if God is eternal, then there's an, there is a objective standard of beauty.

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So, so I think in our, in our moral relativistic world, everything is subjective, even art, even beauty, and even grotesque things are considered beautiful.

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And I think the state, we need to get back to a standard of reflecting God in our art. So, because if we do that, then it will inherently be beautiful.

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What does that look like though? So what is the Godly standard of beauty in art? Well, I think - That is the question.

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That is the question. So I think, so I guess I have to - And go, answer it for us. We've been - I'll do my, I'll do my best here. 6 ,000 years we've been wondering.

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Our God is a God of order. He's a God of logic. He's a God of, of, of anti -chaos.

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So I think that there's symmetry. I mean, they're like rule of thirds when you're talking about protection and -

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The golden circle or whatever they say. Right, so I think if it, if it, if it reflects God in, and reflects the natures of God in terms of those things that I've mentioned,

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I think that we're on the path to a standard where you're not create, you know, like Picasso in his later works had noses coming off of people's faces and it was just more grotesque and his earlier works was more symmetrical and like demonstrating

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God through his creation and symmetry and, and, and reflecting those types of characteristics of God.

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I think, I think that at least scratches the surface of where we should go back to. Okay, so let me throw this out at you.

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And I don't - Maybe that's crazy, I don't know. No, no, you're right. Because God is a God of order and symmetry and all those things.

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And, but at the same time, cause I talked, who was it? I can't remember. I don't want to say his name if I don't remember correctly, but there was someone that was on the podcast and we were talking about music and just for my background and the listeners already know, so I won't go too long into it, but it was my upbringing up until like 12 years old was non -denominational church, spirit filled, but very legalistic.

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We were in that 80s, 90s kind of Bill Gothard, like that kind of stuff.

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So it was like, I'm a piano player and a drummer. And I was told, you know, you're, you're playing, your piano teachers keep teaching you

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Keith Green. That's like Satan's music. That's like contemporary Christian. And I don't know if you ever listened to Keith Green, it's like Billy Joel light.

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You know what I mean? It's not, and I was putting, I was playing, you put this love in my heart. So had a really stigma of like what music, oh, and there's evil drum beats and this and that.

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And I was just talking to someone and he said, well, beauty is orderly. And I said, yeah, but boy, do I love jazz.

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And the whole reason I love jazz is because there's a tension there. And then somehow it gets resolved in that, in, you know, in that next space.

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And as a piano player and a drummer, I can really appreciate it kind of fitting together, even though it's chaotic.

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And he was like, well, I don't know what to tell you. I'm like, sorry, by that standard, if we say it has to be orderly and non -chaotic and you know, then that can't be beautiful, but I truly do appreciate it.

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I'm not sitting there like, man, I need to go get some heroin and get high with these guys. It's like my, my appreciation, most of the jazz

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I listen to has no words. But is there still a time? Well, I mean. Is there still a tempo?

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I, so, so I think that not all of it is, is what I'm not saying is that there's no subjectiveness to it.

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Right. I'm just saying it has to, like, I would think that it would start with reflecting the natures of God and inside of that, there, there can be chaos.

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Does that make sense? You know, it's like. So even jazz gets resolved back on a tempo and that's where the relief comes and we go, oh, look how they pulled that together.

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And so there's still an order to it. So God's creation is orderly. He's got a, he's got an order. But then if you look at hurricanes and natural disasters, those are not orderly at all.

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Right. The experience of them is not, is not. So I, I, I still think that you can have both.

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For humans, I mean, a hurricane does a lot of good for the environment in certain ways if there were no humans here. Sure. That's the really crazy thing.

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Like how, how the, how it balances the ecosystem and things like that. Right. It's pretty crazy.

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I don't know, the older I get too, I feel like there's like, there's like almost two sides of everything.

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You know what I mean? Yeah, that's probably true. Just the fact that we just get so into that is this, and we put a label on it.

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There's an old Chinese proverb where the guy, you know, I don't remember how it goes, but his son comes home, breaks his leg, his neighbor says, oh, it's a horrible thing.

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He goes, we'll see. You know, the army comes by and goes, oh, because he has a broken leg, we're not going to conscript him into the army.

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He goes, oh, what a great thing. He goes, well, we'll see. And it's like this chain of events of like, oh, it was a bad thing.

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You broke your leg, but it was a good thing you did because you didn't have to be forced to drive to the army. Oh, but it's a bad thing. You know, it's a good thing.

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So it's like, it's really perspective for, for me too. And I think that's why I like art so much too, because like you said, it's subjective, right?

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You got some people that just go, that is a horrible movie. And I go, I don't know. I really, I really liked that for, you know, for a couple of reasons.

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Have you guys had any movies where you just went, oh, why, I don't even, why did we get to suggest? Well, I don't want you to out anyone because you have guests on, but if you've ever, you don't have to say it if you don't want to, but has there been that experience of just like.

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I'm glad you said that because I took it a little differently. So like, I hope people that are listening, just to prep them, we are very rough on Christian films.

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So, so, so this is, this is not a pod. Like if you're just in it for Christian films, like we've done

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Christian films, haven't Jesus revolution, something like that. But like various is

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Christian. So don't come thinking that we're gonna, like if it's bad, you'll know it.

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Well, how many guests have you guys had on? You've had quite a few, right? Yeah, we've had several. I'm just,

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I'm just saying, has there ever been a, cause you allowed me to pick the movie and I went, man, these guys are, look at the set on them.

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Like I could come back with some crazy movie and be like, or some horrible movie. I'll tell you what, that list that you sent me was epic.

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Oh, it wasn't pretty good. It was epic. I was like, man, which one do we pick? Which one do we let him pick? They're all so good.

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Yeah, but they're, everyone thinks they're good. I'm not nothing special when it comes to movies. It's like, I'm not a cinephile where I'm like, ooh, this pic from 1962, one off and you're like, oh, how'd he find this?

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No, everyone loves, they were good. You know, Tombstone, Departed and anything Leo has done and you know, or whatever it was that I put on the list.

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But have you ever been halfway through a movie that you're watching going, oh, this is gonna be tough to, why'd

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I sign up for this podcast? I don't even wanna watch this movie. Cause sometimes I get halfway through a movie and I'm like, you have not done anything for me.

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I'm not giving you another hour of my life. I'll just turn it off. I've watched so many half movies. That's hilarious. I think for the, for the most part,

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I don't think I've experienced that for the movies that we've done. And I would say that if there - You're a real artist. You appreciate all art.

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Well, also - Not like me. He's the most critical. When I'm, okay. So I didn't like Nefarious because of the ending of that movie.

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I thought it, I love, I was in it the whole time and then the ending just kind of ruined it for me. but if -

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Yeah, your exact quote was, I will never watch this movie again. Yeah, I just won't watch it again because of how cheesy

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I thought the ending was. But if there was one like that, probably

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The Fablemans. And that was a guest picked movie. That's right. That's a Spielberg movie. I've never seen it.

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It's newer. Fablemans. Yeah, it's basically Steven Spielberg's, it's his biopic basically, but he changed the names from Spielberg to Fableman.

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So that's, it's basically his life story. That was probably, if there was one, that's it. Because it's kind of a slow, slow moving movie.

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But he was the most prepared guest I've ever had. Oh yeah, he was definitely - He came with six pages of notes. Six pages of notes on the movie.

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So you got to step your game up. I had four bullet points on my phone too. I enjoyed that episode, doing that episode, but the movie itself probably wasn't one of my favorites.

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I can't think of any, you didn't like Sing, the kids movie.

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No, well no, I enjoyed doing the movie for the podcast, but I had some issues with the movie and our breakdown of it.

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But you disagreed. And that's the other thing, like I love it. Okay, so you guys will disagree on it too, go back.

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It's not just like, oh, let's just all talk the same stuff. No, we disagree all the time.

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In my notes today, I said Nick is, or what did I say? But you didn't say it on the episode. I didn't say it, I forgot to say it when

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I wrote it. He said, well, when you explained your, in the Tombstone episode that we just recorded, you explained your position and it was more positive than the way it read.

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Oh, okay. So that's why I didn't say it. Okay. I was like, oh, that's actually reasonable. His notes were, loved it,

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Nick was crazy. Yeah, that was his response. That's what he was prepared to say about my opinion of Tombstone.

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No, I think, yeah, you guys definitely had different opinions on it when we were talking about it. I feel like you might like Tombstone a little bit more than he does, right?

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So what, if you had three movies that you could just keep watching over and over, never get tired of them.

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This is how I define favorite movie now, because I ask people, what's your favorite movie? And they go, oh, there's so many.

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And I go, what movie have you watched 15 times? And when they tell me, they go, oh yeah, that's probably my favorite.

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So you're talking to movie guys. So what category are we hitting here? Category? I just said adventure, romance, drama.

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What are we doing? I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. Maybe three off the top of your head where you go, these are solid movies.

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I could put them on, stream them, DVD them, whatever you do, anytime. And I'd be okay with watching the whole thing.

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So I would say 13 hours, Secret Soldiers of Benghazi has to be up there for me. Okay. I love that movie. Okay, why so?

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I think - Were you in the military? I was not, no. I just, I'm infatuated with that kind of stuff. Okay. It's just, it hits me in a different place.

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And I think that they did a very, very good job. Was, I'm blanking on the director.

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Was it? It was Michael Bay? Michael Bay, that's right. Okay. I think he just did a phenomenal job.

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You like explosions then? Oh, I like that stuff. Love it. I think John Krasinski did a good job.

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Yeah. Yeah, I just love that movie. I could watch it on a loop. Yeah. Okay. So you're doing one?

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You're not doing three? I'll have to think, you go. We'll do back and forth. We'll go back and forth. Yeah. Easiest one, The Dark Knight.

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That was - Absolutely, I have watched it probably at least once a year, probably multiple times a year since it came out.

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So it's my absolute favorite movie. What's crazy is it's a superhero movie, but it's such a great drama too.

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It's like, wow, Christopher Nolan really knew what he was - Because that's the first one, right? Yeah. No, that's the second one.

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Second one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That begins, yeah. Yeah, that's good too. All right, so what do you got?

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You got a second one? Man, this is so hard. I've seen so many movies. I would say,

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I'm trying to think of another movie that's not another war movie. Well, I'll tell you what -

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Because Saving Private Ryan comes to mind. I could watch that all the time. You know which one I really liked was, came out a few years, well now, probably five years ago.

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1817, I think it is. 1917. 1917. I haven't seen that yet. It's so good. Holy cow, isn't that shot beautiful?

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Talk about a journey. Yeah. An adventure. It's so good. You're just in their world, like, oh, this is what it was like.

31:47

God, this is crazy. I think half the movie or something, or the first so many minutes of the movie was no cuts.

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Yeah, it was incredible. 42 minute single shot. Yeah, I heard about it.

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And I think it won, like, didn't it win awards for cinematography or something? I think it did, yeah. So good. And the actors did a great job.

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But, and I'm not giving this a full endorsement because it is rough and it is, there's some language in it because it's very real.

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But I think HBO had a series called Generation War. Have you ever?

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No, I've not seen it. Good. Well, I'm just saying, all listeners beware.

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Don't watch this with your kids. If you're offended by, like, swearing, it's very realistic.

32:29

It follows the guys around in the Iraq war. And it's a group of guys in a Humvee. And it's like every joke, every fear, characteristic, and you talk, and what it is is if you talk to other guys that were there, they go, this is the most accurate representation of how it is to be in a,

32:48

I'm gonna use the wrong word. Platoon, what's the smaller one? Not battalion, platoon. The, you know, that maybe 10 or 20 guy.

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It's Generation War. It's basically eight episodes at two hours a piece. So it's, what do they call that?

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Like a mini? A mini series. Like a mini series, yeah. But if you like that, if you like, you know, that first movie and say,

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Ryan, you'd like that series. I like Forrest Gump a lot. That's, yeah, that's good. I mean, just main classics.

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I could just, I just like stories, man. I could just put something on and watch it. It's crazy how

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Forrest Gump is the kind of before my, some of it's before my time. Some of it's during my childhood, you know, 80s and 90s, but the whole thing seems very

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Americana. Like every part of that movie is just like, you're like, oh yeah, I reckon.

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Like they really hit the. It's just nostalgic. Yeah, nostalgic, there you go. It's nostalgic, even if you didn't grow up in that time.

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Yeah, it's just wholesome. So Nick is just biding his time for a second movie. Go for it. He's like, are you done talking,

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Parker? Since you're not thinking of number two, I've got 10 more. You just outlined our podcast. Like, are you done talking,

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Parker? Yeah, he just sits there and waits until I'm done. There's a movie called Prisoners. OK, I don't know how to say the director's name.

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Dills, Dennis Villeneuve, the same guy that directs Dune, the Dune movies, OK, starring

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Hugh Jackman and Jake Gyllenhaal. It's a little bit of a nerd, I think. I got a little nerd going on. I like that. That's when it comes.

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I'm a Trekkie. Let's go. When it comes to movies, I'm very much a nerd. Yeah, I love that movie. So that's number two for me.

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I've never I've seen your first one or your second one. I'm really slacking here.

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You guys are and it's another one of those not. I wouldn't give it my full endorsement for everyone to watch because it's also rated

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R, got a lot of language in it. Very violent. We actually didn't say that for our Tombstone episode, but we always say that any movie we review is never like an endorsement.

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You got to follow your own conscience and, you know, the whole thing. So that's a good point, too. And it's really tough, too, because there's some movies out there that I would love to sit down with my kids and watch.

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And you go, I could just remove. Well, I guess you got that angel and stuff like that. But if you could just remove like,

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I don't know, four to six minutes of this movie, it would I don't. And sometimes it's not doesn't even help the story.

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It's an agenda driven. Let's interject this because we have this social view or whatever it is.

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And it's just tough with kids. Now, with me, I think I can, you know, if it's not gratuitously. What's the word

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I'm looking for? Grotesque, grotesque in in certain areas just to be that. I'm not going to watch that movie.

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But if you need, you know, if you need bloodshed or arguing or tempers flaring and saying certain things to advance the story.

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Well, I'm sorry, but that's just life. I've never been a parent that goes, oh, shelter your kid from every single because I was that kid.

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And then, you know, and then you get out in the real world. You go, oh, what? Yeah, right. People cuss. People have opinions about not being a

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Christian. You know what I mean? And so that's not good either. Do you ever watch like kids or movies that you liked when you were a kid?

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And you forget negative things that are in it. And then you sit down and you watch it with your kids. And then that pops up.

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You're like, oh, no, I had no idea. Yeah, I. Well, it's crazy because most of the movies I watched, it was sneaking over to friends houses and watch because we were like one hour of public television a week.

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All the 80s and early 90s movies that everyone references my age. I've never seen. I'm like, well, you never seen

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Goonies? You ever see? Nope. Never wasn't allowed to watch that. So it had to do a lot of catching up in my kind of later teens and in high school years.

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But all the time I sit down, I go, how did I not remember? You know, that was in there.

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And then I go, well, maybe I'm just a dumb kid. I know it wasn't picking anything up.

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You know what I mean? Like these horrible scenes in this movie, you just don't remember. And I go, well, maybe it's not quite as bad as we think as adults when a kid is watching it and going, oh, they're just going to dwell on this.

36:40

No, it's going in one ear and out the other half the time. Right. They're using it as entertainment. Not that I'm saying you make an excuse to.

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Hey, let's just watch filth because they won't remember it. But yeah, what is that? Why do we not remember?

36:52

Yeah. You know, I think we just don't know. Is that what it is? We don't you don't connect it.

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We don't understand what they're saying. Yeah. And then when we grow up, we do. I think it's as simple as that.

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It could be. But I know there are movies where I've had that experience, where I knew like what bad words were. Yeah, that me too.

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And I still don't remember them being there or that many. Yeah. And you go, oh, geez, they're really dropping.

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These passwords every Tuesday. I watched this when I was seven at a buddy's house. No, I remember, you know, or whatever.

37:22

That's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, that is crazy. All right. So we got favorite movies. Any bad movie? Well, you guys didn't give me three, but you gave me two.

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You gave me one. You got off. He said Forrest Gump for number two. I think I said Forrest Gump. OK. Yeah, that's good.

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I think you threw out some bonus, too. You said Saving Private Ryan. You were like, I'm not going to say Saving Private Ryan. And then you said,

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OK, I'll give you another one. I'm not going to say, but I'm going to use it. That's my second one.

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I think it's called Brothers with Jake Gyllenhaal and Tobey Maguire. OK, I've seen that. It's really good trailer on that.

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But I don't watch that. It's really good. It's about a guy that comes back. And it's also maybe not the most wholesome movie.

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I don't I don't remember any. I don't remember any like super terrible.

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None of us can remember anything in a movie. Don't take our word for it. The reason why I like that is because it really does a good job demonstrating the weight of loss.

38:16

Yeah. In that movie, what in terms of like a marital relationship when when you're not equally yoked or someone thinks that infidelity has happened and it hasn't or maybe has to a certain degree.

38:27

Yeah. So it's just the anger in the the emotion that comes. They just did a phenomenal job showing that.

38:33

Yeah. Have you guys ever seen a older movie River Runs Through It with with. I've seen it.

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It's been so long. I don't remember. I don't remember. That's that's actually a decent drama. It's not very fast paced and there's not a whole lot of action, but just what a great story of like generational brothers kind of against each other.

38:51

And I don't know why that popped into my head. You said something earlier. I said brothers. Yeah. Yeah. You said brothers. That's right. But that's another good one, too.

38:58

So welcome to the review every movie ever podcast, guys. I guess that's where we forget them all.

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Yeah. All right. No. So tell me what you got coming up on the podcast. Where can people find it?

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What you got coming up this year? You guys are releasing twice a week now. Yeah. Or twice a month now.

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Twice a week. I know I said that earlier. We do the first watch every day. We try to do the first and third

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Friday of every month. And then we've got a few other types of videos that are coming out on YouTube.

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But to answer your question, where people can find us anywhere that you can listen to like RSS feeds, like Spotify.

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Sure. They don't have Google anymore, right? Yeah. Google podcast doesn't exist. I don't think it exists. Yeah. So we're pretty much everywhere you can find like the main places you can find podcasts.

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And then we've got YouTube. Yeah. The YouTube channel. It's all just branded watch. Well, yeah,

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OK. The Watch Well podcast. Watch. Where'd the name come from? Like you watch it.

39:52

Well, so don't just watch it sitting back, doing nothing, but do it well. Actively watch it. Be engaged.

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Like this guy. I like it. Yeah. Watch it. Well. All right. Cool. Anything else you guys got before we finish up here? No, no.

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That's it. Thanks. I appreciate it. I'll tell you what. It's so cool when guys come by. And it was funny when you contacted me and you're like, wait a minute, where are you?

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And I go, here you go. You're about 30. Wait. And my other guy's a little while you are two hours away. About two and a half. Yeah. And I was like, come on up.

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You know, we'll do a double episode. So, guys, make sure you go check out the Watch Well podcast. Everything's going to be linked up below in the description.

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Put them on your rotation. Put them on auto download. You're going to enjoy it twice a month. You're going to get a movie.

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They're going to be discussing it. They're going to be talking about how it affects them, how it relates to the

40:36

Bible. I mean, I just can't I can't. I'm so mad that I didn't have this idea. I really am. But it's a righteous anger.

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Yeah. Well, righteous, godly anger. I really I'm really bad at this, too. But we also have a Patreon page if people want to support

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