July 19, 2018 Show with Phil Sessa on “The New York Invasion Conference” AND Caleb Bunch on “The Engines that Propel Evangelism”

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I believe it was two years ago that I interviewed Phil Cessa. Today we are going to give him a full hour interview live on the air and I hope that you enjoy it immensely. Phil Cessa is not only a dear brother in Christ but he is the director of Soul Fishing Ministries, which is a gospel-centered ministry that exists to equip God's people to be fishers of men and we're going to be talking about an upcoming event that Phil is instrumentally involved in orchestrating and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens.

Iron Radio, Phil Cessa. Amen, thank you Chris for having me. It was a blessing to meet you at G3 and to see you recently at the apologetics seminar at Tony Costa. Yeah, that was great to see you.

There too. I really appreciate my friends coming out to something that was very important to me and I really am delighted that you made the extra effort to be there for a very important event. That was my first New York City event that I orchestrated.

I've represented Iron Sharpens Iron Radio at New York City events before but this is the first one that I actually orchestrated along with my friends at the New Covenant Church New York City who were co-sponsors of that event and if you don't know them already, Pastor Andy Ward and his treasurer over there, Gary Rosenblatt, I hope that you get to know them soon because they're a great couple of guys and I think they're doing an important work there with their church plant in Manhattan.

Amen. Well and also I want to let our listeners know that Caleb Bunch is going to be our second guest today in the second hour between 5 and 6 p .m eastern time and Caleb Bunch, it has been a joy getting to know Caleb and I actually was instrumental in securing the building where Caleb planted his church in Massapequa because I happened to be a very long time friend of Pastor Jim Capo of the Massapequa Church of God and I knew that they would need the injection of life and vitality that Caleb would be introducing into the congregation there by using their facilities and Caleb, I've really enjoyed getting to know him and we'll be talking about more of what he is doing for the gospel of Jesus Christ and he is also a pastor of Redeeming Grace Fellowship in Massapequa, Long Island, New York and our topic for the second hour is going to be the engines that propel evangelism so make sure you stay tuned for the second hour as well.

Soul Fishing Ministries and Phil Cessa’s Salvation Testimony

Well Phil, even though you have been a guest on the program before, it was a brief interview as you may remember and what I like to do with first-time guests and I'll put you in this category even though technically you're not a first-time guest but since this is your first time doing a full one-hour interview with us during a live program, what I typically do with first-time guests is I have them give a summary of their salvation testimony and if you could do that right after you give our listeners more information about.

Soul Fishing Ministries. Sure. It's a ministry that we began in 2008 and we began with the vision of simply training people in evangelism and going out to do evangelism outreaches, but since then up to 2018 our vision and mission has expanded.

We are still a gospel center ministry and we exist to equip God's people to both be followers of Christ by using an acronym. Our acronym Fishing falls into two categories. Basically the first category is dealing with equipping the people of God in the church and the second category deals with reaching out to lost people.

So the acronym goes as such. The F for Fishing is our evangelism equipping and outreaches. We're training people in hermeneutics. The S is for God's design for the family because we know that is seems to be very large seminar.

Many want to redefine the family. Well, no redefinition is needed when you have the right. It's not broken. Harolding is the H in net and in the open air. The I is for interceding, the second I. Many people we find in churches sort of, but we don't hear a lot of them talking to God.

There's a half an hour spent for prayer requests. Now, obviously, Jesus Christ turning men into fishers of men.

Is a very well-known picture and allegory that Christians are connected to and of course the symbol, the ichthys, is a symbol of a fish. Many people have that connection, but is there something more than just that connection as to why you chose that theme of Soul Fishing Ministries?

Do you actually ever involve actual fishing for the sea creatures or do you.

In any other way connect it with actual fishing? We take people out. We take people out into the fishing holes, mostly around the New York area, and we go and we share the gospel. In sharing the gospel, even though many of these churches are not really churches, I would venture to say many of them are really synagogues of Satan.

They're not preaching and teaching the truth of the gospel. And so even though there's tons of people in New York that profess to be Christians, they are that in name. Going out to the highways and the byways and compelling them to come in, I mean, New York City, New York, and Staten Island, I mean, it is a...

Probably the most religiously and ethnically diverse place on the planet Earth. But again, I guess you're still using that allegorically. You don't actually take people to fishing holes,.

Literally. You're just... Well, once in a while. I took somebody out fishing yesterday.

Well, just out of curiosity, one more time, not to belabor the whole fishing symbolism, but was fishing ever a part of your life? I'm talking about real fishing with real fish that flap around when you bring them up on a boat or a door.

Sure. My dad took me fishing when I was a kid, and it was like a thrill. Man, they could fight. But there was just some kind of, like, you just really got energized. Trying everything to run away from you, you're pulling in and it's running away.

So yeah, it's great. I mean,.

I really enjoy fishing physically as well. Well, now it's time for you to give a summary of your personal testimony. I want to hear something about the religious atmosphere that you were raised in as a child, if any, and what providential circumstances our sovereign Lord brought about in your life that drew you to himself and saved you.

Absolutely. In an environment, I have a very difficult time being on the other side, you know, knowing the Lord now. But I did grow up going to CCD, I guess, the Catholic training you concerning what they tell you to believe.

I did that. They had communion and confirmation and basically jumped through a lot of the, which they would call soul idea, really what I was doing. I was just kind of towing the party line, to use the expression.

Between Sundays, it was kind of like drive-by religion. My father liked to get to mass. When the priest moved on, we would zip out and beat the traffic out of the parking lot. I think that tells you a little bit about we were religious.

My dad was, he was consistent. I mean, we went every Sunday. My mother didn't come Sunday. It radically happened in my life. My father began to go actually to a Pentecostal Assembly of God church, and he invited my family to go.

And my parents at that time were basically had the mindset, well, if you're born Catholic, you're supposed to be Catholic, you're supposed to go. I heard Jesus never would have died on the cross for your sin.

Now that ripped through my mind like a bowl of china closet. I mean, I never considered anything of that fact. I never thought about the gospel. Obviously, I never knew the gospel. I never understood the gospel, but this hit me like a ton of bricks.

It tore through my heart. They did do the magic words in the magic part of the room, but I know that God saved me at that point, and I never would have been parroting. No one, no one really discipled me at that time.

Nobody really in the church told me to read my Bible or any such thing. I guess kind of was hungry and cried at some point, and then I got one. I asked my mother for a Bible, and I began to read, and I began to devote.

If I can actually take a two-step back, when I was also 13, a priest asked me, what are you going to do now that you're going to become an adult? And he said, and I'm leaving it. And he said, well, why?

And I said, because I've been born again. You never told me about having a relationship with God. I only had a religion, but now I have a relationship with God, and that's what I need. I needed a relationship with God.

I only knew about Him, but now I know Him, and I want to keep knowing Him, and you don't talk about Him. That wasn't the kind of response. So I followed the advice of my mother, and then we left. We had the party, and the money came rolling in from family and friends.

But I was new in the Lord.

Well, as a 13-year-old kid, you did a lot more than a lot of people who leave the Catholic Church do. Unfortunately, I think that it's probably rare that someone who is a born-again believer who departs from Catholicism and enters into a truly biblically faithful church, and also, of course, more importantly, a biblical understanding of Christ and His gospel, I'm sure that it's rare that they would actually say anything to their former priest about it.

I know that I, in my mid -20s, when I got saved, I actually invited one of my favorite priests to my baptism. He did not come, but I wrote him a letter. He actually was a high school classmate of my oldest brother, and I always liked him.

He was a great guy as far as being a friendly and gracious individual, and was very humble as well. But he declined my invitation, but he just said, I hope one day that you will find what you were looking for in the Catholic Church, and that you return, which makes sense.

I think I respect that response a lot more than if he had just said, well, it doesn't really matter where you go to church, as long as you're happy or something, which I'm sure a lot of Catholic clergy would do today.

But it was something that it was important for me to do, to try to evangelize him as best as I could as a new believer. And now I know that you are a member of a church that is pastored by my old friend Pete Nicotra.

Pete used to be an elder at the North Shore Baptist Church in Bayside, Queens, where my friend Ed Moore is the pastor. And then, as North Shore Baptist Church does, it planted a church. And tell us about this church.

Where you are now a member. Grace Baptist Church is located in Woodhaven, Queens, and it goes back again from my salvation experience, because it actually all ties in. The teenager that I became from when I started reading the Bible, I began to bring it to school.

People began to ask why I had it and what's in it. I began to tell them. So I began to just naturally evangelize. I didn't know I was supposed to be afraid or scared or don't talk about religion and politics at the table.

I didn't know any of those rules. So I just began to naturally flow out. I started up a Bible club. They kicked it out of my school. I got a lawyer. It got back in. I go to Bible college. I'm still in the Assemblies of God.

So I moved from Maypeck, New York, into the Bronx, because I wasn't originally lived there, and moved upstate. So everyone tells me I did it back. I moved out of the city upstate. I did a reverse. I moved from upstate.

I began to pastor in several Assemblies of God churches, both as a senior pastor and an assistant pastor. Kind of about four years ago, I finally was like, this is enough. I need to leave the Assemblies of God.

My heart was gnarly inside with so many doctrinal differences that I had, because I was studying and listening to Reformed guys and studying Reformed theology, and I was teaching Reformed things in my discipleship group with some men that would meet at my home.

So I called up a guy that I discipled who now goes to North Shore as well. I said, I'm thinking about checking out your church. He said, you need to. He said, you too. I just shared. I went and we visited the church.

We visited North Shore. We visited Grace Baptist. We did that for about six months, my wife and I. Then the Lord just had a heart that I wanted to serve at this church. It's very multi-ethnic. There's tons of different ethnicities there, which I absolutely love.

I just wanted to come alongside Pastor Peter and just serve with him. I just wanted to help in the church. They did not have a lot of leadership there, and so I knew that that was a big area that he needed help in.

I truly wanted to hold up his arm like Moses. His arms were held up. How can I help you? I've done some things. I've preached. He began to pray, and I guess he let out some more, and we began to become close together.

And so it was such a blessing because he was very accessible. He would call me back. I would email him. He would email me back, text him, and get back to me. So we were in constant communication, and I really needed that and loved that because I wanted to learn, if you will, the Reformed way.

It's different than in the assemblies of the Reformed church. The Word of God is what Scripture is, and be with men. It was like I was crawling through the desert, so to speak, and so refreshing, so nourishing since.

And so we've been there for several years now, and I've been able to serve in different capacities in the church. Pastor Peter and Pastor Steve appointed me to be an elder in the church, first an elder in training, and then an elder.

Pastor Steve who. Okay, because I know that Steve Schultz.

Is one of the elders at my second guest's church, Pastor Caleb Bunch, who you know. Well, I want to make sure that our listeners have this information. I will be repeating it, but if you want to find out more about Grace Baptist Church of Woodhaven, New York, go to gbcny .org.

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Phil Cessa, who is the founder and director of Soul Fishing Ministries. And Phil, I know that you are having a special event that you want to.

The New York Invasion Conference and Evangelism Training

Talk about today. Yes, we're going to be hosting our first conference ever in New York City on August 25th, which is a Saturday, and it's going to be at Grace Baptist Church where I serve. Our focus is going to be evangelism, which is probably something good since that's a major thrust of our ministry.

And so we're going to have kind of a two-fold or two-stage process. Stage number one is going to be the preaching and the training in the church from around nine o 'clock to around... And then after that, we're going to go out to the streets and the highways and the byways in the area of our local church and put into practice what we just learned in the training of our experience.

And so as a near... I'm a school teacher as well, and so my favorite... You can train people and then send them and let them have opportunity to apply what they've just learned. Because sometimes you can hear a whole lot of stuff when I train and teach people.

When I try how to teach scripture, I always ask, lessons or are you teaching people? And so how do we know that people are learning unless we give them opportunity to apply things? I don't want just somebody to have a head full of knowledge of how-tos or why-tos, but I want to see them doing it.

We want to see them putting legs to their prayers. When Jesus had prayed the Lord of the Harvest, after that, he said, go, I'm sending you out as sheep among wolves. And so we want to do the training, the praying, and the going, if I may.

It's an absolute undergirds evangelism. And so he'll be coming with us. He lives up in Pacuac. And then we're going to have Gary George.

Oh yeah, an old friend of mine going back to the 1980s.

Ah, you know Gary George.

Oh yes, and he has been a guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. And has he ever told you about his testimony about when he almost was trapped in a burning nightclub called Gulliver's?

No, I've never heard that one.

Oh, you gotta hear Gary tell you the story about that. He had a broken leg, and I can't remember if it was from skiing or not, but I remember he had a broken leg and he was in a nightclub. And the nightclub caught on fire and he barely made it out unscathed due to the cast on his leg and so on.

But a pretty remarkable story. But anyway, I have many fond memories of fellowship with Gary and hearing him preach and even heard him debate at least once. A really precious brother. Love, Gary.

Amen. Yeah, I got to meet him at the Ocean City Bible Conference. A real blessing. Pastor Ed Moore went to the highways and the byways and compelled them to go to the conference. And I was one of the guys that Pastor Ed was hunting down to go to the conference.

And gracefully at the conference they allowed us to be vendors for the past few years and we'll be vending there again this year. And I met Gary George there for the first time. Peter Nicotra introduced me to him and Peter described his evangelism from what I understand.

Well, he's definitely a powerful.

Preacher and I'm sure you could hear him from quite a long distance away, just like Whitfield.

Amen, amen. So I asked Pastor Peter about someone else to come and preach at our conference. And without hesitation he said, you got to have Gary George. Because some guys can preach about evangelism, but then there's some guys, if you know what I mean, who can preach about evangelism.

And normally the guys that preach about evangelism with a lot of passion and heart are the guys that actually... And so I know Gary's out there doing it. And so he's speaking from many, many years of experience and with a heart that still burns and passion for Christ in reaching the lost.

And so I'm looking forward to hearing him preach at our conference, New York City Invasion.

Yes, well, I can still remember Gary in his very thick Massachusetts accent asking me, brother, brother, did you have a potty when you were young? Did you potty? And I was like, is he asking me if I was potty trained?

What is he saying? But he's a great guy. And so tell us about this invasion of New York that you just mentioned.

Yeah, so being in the Assemblies of God in the past, I know that they're very missions-oriented. They send out a lot of missionaries, and they do a lot of stuff in that regard around the world, not of a lot of evangelistic things that I see.

And I wish they went with a message that was a little more potent and certainly more biblical, I guess I would have to just say.

And of course, we have to make sure that we don't broad brush our Assembly of God, brethren, because you do find some gems amongst them. And did you know Al Stein?

Uh, no.

Al Stein, pretty sure that Ed Moore knows who Al Stein was. Al Stein went home to be with the Lord after a tragic automobile accident a few years ago. But Al Stein was not only a pastor in the neighborhood Assembly of God in Belmore, Long Island, but he was also a bishop in the Assemblies of God, an overseer for all of Long Island.

And when I first met Al Stein, he was an Arminian who was respectful and curious about the doctrines of Sovereign Grace. And for the last couple of years, at least two or three, that I had the privilege of sharing fellowship with him before the Lord called him home, he was a full-blown Calvinist.

Yeah.

Go ahead, I'm sorry.

That's happening more often. That seems to be happening more often. I mean, listen, when I was an Arminian, and didn't really understand the doctrine, I mean, I know I was still saved, I know God still saved me and changed me.

And so, yeah, absolutely, there are many people, both lost and saved, in Arminian and Calvinistic circles, there are people that are lost and saved within the circles.

Oh, that's true. So, just out of curiosity, why the word invasion that you're using for your conference?

Yeah, so, when I was back in Bible college, I liked this model that they used, and they used to call it city invasion. And so, a bunch of people from various Assembly of God, Bible college, went to the city, and just, that was the gospel.

They went to Philadelphia, I went to the one in New Orleans, I think is how you're supposed to.

Pronounce it. That's weird, I just was just talking about how those in New Orleans pronounced New Orleans just about an hour ago with a friend of mine.

Oh, see that? Coming back. Like pepperoni. So, I kind of, you know, kind of like you just said, you know, and I wasn't trying to kind of paint with a broad brush, there are things, even though I disagree theologically, there were certain principles and models that I learned that are good models, per se.

I would just, you know, I would say, okay, I like the concept, but I think that it could be done in a better way. More, you know, again, you know, I want to hear Reformed theology being preached, and maybe better structure, and things like that, but I like the concepts that I learned.

So, over there, it was called invasion, and so the focus was, hey, we're going to come in, and we're going to, like, invade this place with the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. And so, I mean, Satan is running around to and fro, and sometimes I think that the Church is very timid when it comes to evangelism.

All of the, hey, God loves you, and has a wonderful plan for your life, and kind of, and so, yes, do we need to make friends with people to share the gospel? Absolutely. But I mean, it should be bubbling over our hearts, like lava just flowing out, not uncontrollably, of course, but, you know, a controlled fire.

And so, I believe that God wants to take His Church, and bring and flood the gospel throughout the cities.

Right, and...

And there are Satan's agents in the world, it seems.

Yeah. It sounds like what you were describing before about the tepid approach to evangelism, it's as if the gospel has been castrated, for lack of a better term, because you have people who diminish, not intentionally, of course, but they diminish the power and the amazement, they diminish the phenomenon that the gospel is, by just talking about good things that may occur, but when you don't talk about the fact that it, the gospel rescues sinners from not only their own sin, but the condemnation, the eternal condemnation of that sin in hell, when you remove that, it's like you're saying that something is nice, when you could be amazing, and awesome, and powerful, and mind-blowing.

Right, right.

Because if people don't know what they're saved from, then being saved is no big deal. I believe it was Michael Horton that titled a book he wrote years ago, called Putting Amazing Back Into Grace, because the gospel that many people preach today is not really amazing at all.

No, it's not at all. It's not at all. When people would say, I'm saved, he would ask them, saved from what? And I mean, that's a fantastic question. It's a great probing, heart-probing question to ask people, and yeah, I completely agree.

It's like, you go from, okay, so your life is good, but it can be better with Jesus, and so, as Paul Washer said, you know, we're comparing Jesus to, like, six flags. I mean, you know, it's like, you're at Kiddie Land Park, and you can go to six flags and get on the bigger roller coasters.

Well, that's not the gospel. I mean, that is not the gospel at all. I forgot who said it, but they said Jesus didn't come to make bad people into good people, he came to make dead people live. Amen. And so, I mean, listen, if I had the cure to cancer, and I was walking by St. Jude's Children's Hospital, and I looked in the window, and I saw all these kids with their hair out, I saw sickly-looking kids.

I know they don't all per se look sickly, some of them are smiling and happy, but I mean, can you imagine? You walk through the hallways, you look in the rooms, and you're seeing kids dying, and you have the cure to cancer, like, right in your pocket.

You have vials of medication. How can you walk by and walk through the hallways of St. Jude's Children's Hospital and not, like, scream at the top of your lungs and not want every kid to have the cure?

And that's what I think it's like sometimes. I think, like, we say we believe the gospel, but then where is that heart to want to bring the gospel and invade our cities and our towns and our suburban communities with the only thing that's saved, which is the gospel?

The gospel must be the thing that drives us, and it must be the only thing that we're giving out.

Just a word of advice, though, I got ushered out of St. Jude's Hospital for screaming at the top of my lungs, so you have to be very careful. Okay! I want you to make sure our listeners know exactly who, other than Gary George, perhaps it's only Gary George, who are the speakers at this conference, and do you have any topics.

Lined up and everything that they need to know? Yes, so, I'm a coach of the law, myself, Phil Sessa, another elder at the church and director of Soul Fishing Ministries. I'll be preaching on zeal for the law and how to reach the law.

Gary George is going to be preaching on the power of the gospel in reaching the law. Evans Olong, the brother from Kenya, although he lives here, is going to be preaching on prayer and reaching the law.

And then, yeah, so that's it. We have those five, because I'm doing two sessions, and each of the other brothers are going to be doing one session, our speakers. And then, as part of that, we'll have a table set up for vending, be $20 or maybe a little bit higher than that.

And so, they're really awesome looking, kind of at the city skyline, like New York, a bunch of people looking at the skyline, and kind of like see the bat symbol coming up from, you know, from the Batman movies.

You're going to see a cross symbol that's kind of beaming into the skyline. You're going to see a symbol of the cross kind of beaming up, and then it'll say underneath, I will make your fishers and men.

So, on the back, it's going to look like, like a stock, really nice. Great. Well, I know that Wrath and Grace makes some very.

Attractive t-shirts. I've purchased a few at the G3 conference, actually. Well, I know that your website, again, is soulfishingministries .org, soulfishingministries .org, and of course, it's S-O-U-L, not the actual fish soul.

But anyway, tell us any other.

Contact information that they need to know. Yeah, you can email me at fishdub, like the fish in the ocean and the dub in the sky, fishdub1122 at gmail .com. If you need to contact me, the number for our ministry is 646 -773 -1221.

If you're interested in getting our newsletter, you can call or email me. We can have that newsletter sent out to you, and we're putting out a couple of resources as well, if you're ever interested. We have a discipleship manual called Multiplying for the Master, a prayer journal called Abiding at the Throne of Grace, and we have a workbook on the Book of Jonah.