May 13, 2022 Show with Josh Clark on “The One-Million-Dollar Debate Challenge to Herschel Walker” PLUS Dr. Joe Morecraft on “Why the Outlawing of Abortion Without Exceptions is an Essential Goal for Obedient Christians”

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Live from the historic parsonage of the 19th century gospel minister George Norcross in downtown Carlyle, Pennsylvania. It's iron sharpens iron. This is a radio platform in which pastors Christian scholars and theologians address the burning issues facing the church and the world today.

Proverbs chapter 27 verse 17 tells us. Iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another. Matthew Henry said that in this passage We are cautioned to take heed with whom we converse and directed to have a view in conversation To make one another wiser and better.

It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next two hours. And we hope to hear from you the listener with your own questions, and now here's your host Chris Arnzen.

Good Afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. We're listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens Iron radio wishing you a happy Friday the 13th.

On this 13th day of May 2022. I'm very excited about both of my guests. One of My guest is a first-time guest for the first hour and the second guest is a frequently Returning visitor on iron sharpens iron radio for the first hour.

We have Josh Clark who is Georgia right to life's only pick for the United States Senate race in Georgia. He will be on with us for the first half of the program and the second hour. We will be joined by our dear friend Dr. Joe Morecraft the author and pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

And he is going to be addressing the theme why the outlawing of abortion without exception is an essential goal of every obedient Christian, but first of all let me Introduce to the program for the very first time ever.

Josh Clark great to be with you.

Thank you so much for having me today. Well. Your second hour too because Joe Morecraft is a good friend of mine. Well praise God for that.

He's a good man to have as a good friend. Yes, yes, and one of my favorite guests. I'm actually considering renaming my program the Joe Morecraft show. He's on so often but first of all Josh. Tell us about what is at stake here in?

Georgia. Not only for the primaries, but also for the race when you will be face-to-face.

Opposing the Democratic candidate. We've named our bus the Liberty bus and my wife and I my childhood sweetheart. Been married for 20 years. I'm in the Ford's bus boys. It just forgive me I would. Normally I do my best to not be driving during an interview, but I apologize of course well.

We have a tradition here on the program whenever we have a first-time guest. We have that gifts give a summary of their salvation testimony including the kind of religious atmosphere They were raised in if any and the kind of providential Circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.

So let's hear a summary of your salvation story Josh.

In Suwannee, Georgia used to be a little rural community at the time on a small farm that we rented. My father was a pastor of a small church and my mother was a teacher who decided to homeschool us so I was very blessed to be one of the first jet really the first generation of homeschoolers and Learn, you know learn biblical principles founding fathers the Constitution Bill of Rights and biblical principles that were woven in History was my favorite subject.

And so a lot of that laid the groundwork that That led to I think where I am today and God calling me to run but as far as my salvation testimony, I got saved at an early age after there was a Plane wreck that went down and it really bothered me and I kept it started a lot of deep Conversations with my parents and I kept you know asking about them and asking about salvation and I kept saying I was ready to get saved and They kept almost talking me out of it.

They wanted to make sure that I really understood and I'll never forget the day that I did where Mom finally agreed to say the sinner's prayer with me and gave my life to Christ that day and it was about four years about the age of four years old and I know it's kind of unusual I think but my parents and those who knew me and I still remember that day to this day clearly.

But it changed my life from that point forward. I have and I'm by God's grace. Consistently and I make mistakes obviously. Get back up, but from that moment forward I had just a passion for sharing the gospel.

In fact, I think the highlight of our campaign so far has got to lead a couple people to the Lord two weeks ago on The campaign trail and I hope we get more but from that point forward. I just really God gave me a heart for people.

I was constantly sharing the gospel and fighting people in our house dinner, which I know it sounds crazy. But God can do it even at an early age. And that helped me because over the next few years my mother lost her health.

She had an accident lost a kidney a spleen and adrenal. So I talked about American family values like hard work faith in God serving others. But I learned those things at an early age and but I don't think if I hadn't have gotten saved early I don't think I would have had the heart.

You know to be fertile ground to be to be willing I guess to handle some of the responsibilities that came at a very early age. But I want to change the thing except my mother's suffering, you know I tell people I say you may have heard there's a celebrity in this race.

Because there's a big football celebrity in this race and I think that's if you're looking for a celebrity. That's not I didn't even get to play sports growing up other than you know. There's seven of us boys.

We played when we could. But we didn't have the money and we certainly didn't have the time. I was helping run the farm that was my job and to help get kids up put them to bed and You know. But you know the result of that Romans 8 28 says all things work together for good all things.

So then you love God and are called according to his purpose and that's the first that really has a lot of meaning to me and a lot. And not have any regrets or bitterness or feel like I missed out like no God used all that to to prepare me for what he had and my mother.

My mother would always challenge us growing up. She'd say with spending money in this or spending time on that. Is that gonna further God's kingdom? Is that gonna make a difference in the long term? And so I'm really grateful for all that.

Amen. And I know this next question will be very meaningful to a lot of my listeners because they tend to be Theologically reformed, but how did you discover and embrace the doctrines of grace?

I just be let me be very honest to I went to Bible College. Didn't finish Bible College, but I wanted. I definitely wouldn't call myself Reformed but I would call myself probably somewhere in the middle.

Okay. About some of that and I get around my friends friends of more crafts. It's always challenging and thought-provoking and You know, I'm sure that God will continue to use them in my life to help me kind of grow and my doctrines.

Well what I always say when somebody Answers like that. I say well, you're not reformed yet. And When was it when you had the thought enter into your head. In fact, it's more the thought you just described it as a calling.

When did you? Believe. And what were the Circumstances surrounding you coming to the conviction that you were bid that you had been given a call of God to enter into the political.

Arena one of the businesses I own today. I started in my teens and and it was Lord really blessed me with. But my dad asked me to take the money that I was earning and when I give it to the family to help them buy The first house so I did that and then after the age of 20 It was because there's a particular verse that said when the righteous rule the people rejoice so when the wicked mourn excuse me when the wicked rule of people mourn and That first right there.

We were a Democrat state at that point and there's a conversation I have with my mother around the age of six years old where I said mom Are we Republican or we Democrat and I'll never forget what she said.

She said parties change but principles remain we support the party that supports life and We vote Republican and then she talked about Israel, you know. And then from there we talked about other things that I believe in limited government personal responsibility and so forth but those were that those are the two big issues and so Wanting to help fight for life.

And believing that right there the Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths to be self-evident right that all men are created equal and endowed by who their creator with certain unalienable rights.

And I think that first one life if you don't have life nothing else means anything. So that was my sole passion. So I got involved started trying to find constitutional conservatives that I felt like and get behind them and volunteer and give money and all while I was building companies my 20s so It's kind of a two-part Answer to your question as far as me getting involved.

That was at that time that I felt called to get involved and then it was later at 30 years old I was serving on the board of a Spanish Bible College and The president challenged me when I was 30 years old to run for the state house and I said, well, give me a month I'll think about it.

I'll pray about it. I said don't tell anybody else and I'll get back to you and Halfway through we had just a month after having our best month in business the previous month. They're headed to Bolivia to build orphanages and I said, you know, I'm not no I'm not running and Then I had a lady on the board.

It wasn't supposed to know anything who challenged me on the board of that Bible College and she said did God tell you not to? And I went home and told Chelsea. I said, you know what? I can't say that God really has anything to do with this.

I just feel like we got other plans of things we're supposed to be doing and I said, but you know, I do remember that when we first came up I asked God remembering a sermon. That I had heard of it as a teenager.

I asked God just remove any desires or excitement and I just wanted to hear his voice. Well, all the excitement was gone. I had no interest. It made no sense to me. So I said no so I came home and Anyway, I showed up my wife and the next day.

We were on our way to visit a church and I had somebody on the way there I was talking to Chelsea like wouldn't it be better for us to serve in missions or you know, and anyway okay, let's get through the conversation, but we got there the church and I had somebody challenge me and out of the blue that knew didn't know me at all and my wife moved my wife to tears and she said well, I can't believe this is exactly what you talked about and Really really what they saw in me in the future and I told her she said didn't impact you I said well know the Bible said the devil can appear as an angel of light.

So I'm not ready. But anyway later on that week several more things happened where we knew and my wife was probably the clearest sign. She was not she'd be happy a little house on the prairie, but one day she said to me, honey What are you waiting on?

God has answered each one of our prayers. I'm afraid don't I said well, honey I never told you this but if God ever wanted me to do what he's called others I've challenged encouraged others to do you would have to show both of us just as clearly and I said that's a clear sign.

I've heard yet so we got into a race that we were supposed to have no chance of winning and Our state newspaper said I was running against who would be the next governor. Well, we we've won in that race.

There were originally four people we've won 70 -30 in a landslide. Wow. So that really built my faith to that, you know, that doesn't always happen. But when God called you, you know, I shared in my first campaign meeting this sounds crazy.

But I shared in my first campaign meeting when I thought God gave me to share and I said guys I don't claim to be everything but here's one thing I know God has chosen the foolish things of this world confound the wise and the base things and the things which are not to bring to Nothing the very people who think they're all that so that no flesh with glory in its presence I said so guess what?

I got a chance God's a light. You know and use the foolish things and him getting the glory. So The guy I wanted to be my campaign finance director did not take it. Although since then he's become a good friend but we won so it kind of leads in later on to a story where me running for the US Senate, but It's a little bit of a longer answer.

But that's that's that's the.

That's the whole story. That's how I got in now. There is Insults that have always been hurled against those running for any political office No matter what side of the coin they are on if they are career politicians people who have held political office for many years.

They are mocked because they are career politicians and they don't know anything about the needs and the passions of Your average American citizen. And then when you have your average American citizen who's never been involved in politics running for an office they're mocked for having no experience and the Audience will be told the voters will be told.

Well this person won't even know what to do If they were to be elected, so how do you look at both sides of those coins? And obviously you have to be careful how you answer because you one day may be if you win a career politician eventually.

And not a too many people making a careers out of it when. You know look at Pelosi 36 years and Biden coming up and then they get well race we will not neither of us will trade stocks while I'm in office because I really think it should be a Sacrifice it should be a service.

It should also be a privilege. It is definitely a privilege. You should have people getting rich while serving. I mean when we met as a family and maybe we'll get a chance to get to that story later. What caused us to run for US Senate?

But we had a family meeting and I've read the Declaration of Independence the way they close. You know when it closes out we pledge our life our fortunes and our sacred honor. You know and nine of them died and John Hancock signature, you know the big signature on there.

He's died in a debtor's prison was the wealthiest person at the start. So I Think that there's a balance as you said. Having somebody like me who has experience, but it's not a career politician I believe I guess I would hopefully humbly say that I think that's the perfect balance and If you look at the rest of the candidates in this race, though I think that at this time in our country's history was so much at stake.

I think we're at that tipping point where we either get this right now. Or I'm really concerned that there won't be time things out. So serving that you know can get right to work been in the legislature.

So it's going to be now at a higher level of legislature, but it's the same deal. But most importantly It's how they've been do they have a track record of faithfulness by God's grace where they've been tested and tried.

And they stood talking about amen. Yes, they say all the right things. Yes, tell you what you want to hear. You had good intentions when you said amen.

Well, the issue of abortion is To I believe every regenerate true Christian one of the pinnacles one of the absolute essential issues that Must be demanded For a candidate that is running for office that this candidate opposes all forms of abortion and I was very happy to hear Georgia right-to-life's as has you as their only pick for the US Senate race in Georgia and This issue is Something that sadly conservatives are professing.

Conservatives and Republicans Have really not treated with the urgency and importance That it deserves. I mean we're talking about infanticide. We're talking about murder of children the weakest most fragile most helpless humans among us and The Republican Party has never really Championed this as an absolute essential to to outlaw this crime as a part of one's platform as a litmus test of Who truly deserves our votes?

So tell us our listeners exactly when this this issue became a passion of yours and how you intend to Approach this this this evil of all crimes as a senator.

Well, I appreciate it 65 million. I do think it should be the sense for me. It just so happens to be the first Conversation that I ever had with my mother. Now I don't think you have to have a conversation with your mother to arrive at this, but I was.

You know, I was I was blessed. I mean, I really wanted to have that conversation with her because it does help me in Arguing these issues when when people say well, you know, well, what do you know? You know, you're a male.

Well, first of all that should not discredit you you took part in producing that baby. You're responsible however, it does it does work. My advantage though, I'll tell you when I have these conversations because we passed the fetal pain bill in Georgia back in 2012 and You know, they would say to me what no as a male.

Why should you have anything to say about this? Shouldn't a mother influence their son? Here's what my mother would say. Here's what my wife would say. Here's what my sisters would say. And they couldn't argue with that.

Like when I said shouldn't your your mother influence you on these issues? It was like what they start stuttering and and I say that partly because for the moms who are listening You play such an important role.

I thank you for that, you know, and if If you didn't have a mother who taught that guess what, you know. You can you can teach that to your children and so but it is the most important issue I believe and I think wall builders David Barton, you know I heard him do a program on this sometime back where he talked about showed the statistics that if you get this issue, right and You're passionate about it.

And it's a central focus. Then you're going to get the rest of the issues, right? In fact over 85 chance that your candidate will be strong on the other issues that matter to you. You care about your pocketbook?

Well first check will they stand up for life. Do they value life enough to fight for it? And if they do Chances are they'll be like I am a penny pincher. So won't walk past a penny if I see it without picking it up, you know.

Because I can't be faithful not just little I won't be faithful more but I think back to this pro-life. I also think right now with what you know, Lord willing and I heard I don't know I've been so busy today from from Sunup.

If I've long before Sunup, but I haven't got to catch up on everything. But I think I heard that they may deliver the decision on Monday. Are you hearing that? I.

Have been hearing rumors about it.

Yeah rumors. I hope they free one that we've all been working for and praying for you know for 50 years it's just the beginning because now it comes back to the state but also to the to Congress and As we know Pelosi already passed a bill last year the Senate saying they're going to take up the bill to legalize abortion.

So first thing that I'm going to do is we're going to introduce the personhood Amendment because we need to clearly define that life begins at conception through natural death. Amen that's gonna be that's gonna be a central focus for me and I want to say something else on this it's not often talked about and You know, this is just a brutal reality though that Abortion, that's right.

Yes. It's like Georgia and California and many others and said it was like a model for him that he advanced. That's right. It should be a ugly. Saying that we want to remove as quickly as possible and it's really has led to the genocide of African-americans of black people because you know, the the black popular population makes up 12 of the population yet 39 or higher of the abortion that means that more blacks are killed from abortion than the top nine leading causes of death and Panics are pretty high too.

So if you and I believe Genesis one that we were 127 that God created us in his own image and the image of God created he them male and female created even it answers so many questions that we're dealing with today and I'll tell you this Chris that also brings me back to why I'm so fired up about this race.

And we're just putting everything on the line. I mean everything even our home with the million 1 million dollar debate challenge. We just issued issued to Herschel Walker, but it's like we're at that point right now where they want to destroy the family.

You know abortion now. It's not even about the first trimester the second now. It's about even a month after and perhaps even the rate we're going. There's questions about how far is that even going with bills that have been introduced?

So to me if we don't if we don't have a candidate who understands Genesis 127 and Not just understand it, but we'll stake everything on it and understand. You don't have a solid country. You don't have the blessings of Liberty.

They will not continue if we don't have not built upon our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ the biblical principles that were woven into the Constitution and Understanding that God created families as the building blocks for a healthy nation.

And if you destroy the family you've destroyed the nation, you know. You don't even talk about tax policy and all that.

That's right, in fact, I want to go into when we return from my first break your 1 million dollar Challenge debate challenge to Herschel Walker. And if anybody has a question for Josh Clark send it in rather quickly because he's only on for the first Half of the show and we've only got half of that left.

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If you just tuned us in our guest for the first hour is Josh Clark Georgia right to life's only pick for the United States Senate race in Georgia. And we are now going to address the 1 million dollar debate challenge to Herschel Walker His opponent in this race.

If you have a question our email address is Chris orange and at gmail .com. And before I go to any of our listener questions I don't know a lot about Herschel Walker other than the fact that he is a world-renowned Football player who was a Heisman Trophy winner.

And he was also in pro ball The NFL with the Cowboys and the Vikings and the Eagles and the Giants. And he's even in the college football Hall of Fame in 1999. He's running for Senate in Georgia and When I see him on Fox News, I can't remember ever disagreeing with him on anything.

And he seems like a in spite of his fame. He seems like a very humble man and according to his profession. He would be our brother in Christ. I don't know him well enough to know whether that profession is Something that he was out the day to day to day and is bearing fruit.

But I know that according to his profession. He is. Why is it that he would be in your mind an insufficient? Senator and and why are you offering him this debate challenge?

Well. For a year to learn Spanish. We had started a group taking families to serve together in a third world part of Costa Rica. But you know what many of the plans of a man but the Lord directs his steps right same time I believe we're supposed to plan.

You know the plans of the diligently to probably make plans. But all of you was because God getting into the race where he said got on this podcast with Don Trump jr. And he said guys, it's gonna freak y 'all out.

They said what he said, I've been thinking about it. You know, the Constitution was written in a bygone era a long time ago. He said and you know the demographics of the country have changed so much. He says don't you think it's time that we amend the Constitution.

Wow. And he said it like three times and then he ends it by saying that's why we need to progress. Wow. And I listen to that. I said, oh my goodness. Yes. He's a great football player. If you want to field a football team and win a championship pick him but if you want somebody who's gonna fight for the Constitution and who even has a track record of that like me who has had to stand up the leadership and.

You know and my brother who I'm proud of he's an army ranger and special forces Green Beret. Himself been stripped of his chairmanship and been willing to stand. I think that's what America needs right now.

So again, you know back to Herschel. That concerned me then I read his book and I'm not going to go into the to the Details there. They're kind of gory. But he writes a book about his mental health challenges and and I believe in forgiveness and redemption.

But I don't think that necessarily means, you know, we all need to be on the bus. But what seats are we supposed to be in and so I'm concerned that I don't think he can win in November. Because the Democrats gonna beat him over the head and we have to win the Senate seat and when the guy won't even show up.

For debate when he's been asked what is pro-life mean to you again, you know. Tell me what Jesus means to you and the person said well, that's great. But I'd like to know I don't. More you don't know necessarily.

Tell me what is pro-life mean? I need to know that and so he rarely answers questions. Sometimes he will and he won't show up for anyone needs to practice debating and you know that verse that your radio is iron.

Yes, one man sharpens another. I've always said that when it comes to primaries, it's a good thing. We have a bunch of people in the primaries. It makes you sharper. That's coming. And so My wife and we talked about this that's when we got in the race of the family.

I told you that earlier that if God was calling us to run his will for our life, whatever that means He's in control. He's sovereign if he wants it. He wants us to sell our home. We got to do that. We're just we're just sojourners down here.

And so on Monday we talked about should we in fact one of our campaign staff? Suggested it is a volunteer. It's like all the rest of our staff working so hard and volunteering and they said hey If we really want Herschel to show up for debate.

What if you put up a million dollars?

Well.

You get a million dollars cash right now. I've been blessed in business, you know on us on several companies, but to have a million dollars in cash right now. We would need to sell our home. Probably to do that.

So we went to bed that night. She said I don't know that we're supposed to do that the next morning. Guess what? She challenged me. He said well, I woke up early and I've been praying about it. She said I think where our country is at that point where we do need to put everything on the line.

She said would you have thought that just a year or two years ago? We'd be dealing with all these pronouns that we'd be dealing with the sexual indoctrination on. I mean she said I Think we need to put our house up.

I'm willing to do that. She said if we have to sell our home and we have to move into one of our smaller rental houses now. Let me say this. I know we've been blessed. So let me say that we came from nothing both of us.

She's the second oldest of 12. I'm the oldest of 10. But we've been blessed but at the same time our blessings aren't for us just to hold on to and grip. I believe that we need to be willing to surrender them at any point in time.

So that's what we're doing. We feel like if Herschel's gonna run for the US Senate. He needs to show up for the interview for the job interview just like I would tell anyone to do and So we're saying show up for two debates and if you do we'll give 1 million dollars to charity.

We've already designated part of that. It's gonna go first of pro-life groups because that's my priority and it's gonna go to pregnancy and So hopefully he'll show up and we'll get a chance. We'll do that.

We'll follow through.

As there why. That's kind of a story. Has there been any response at all?

Because we you know, we need a candidate that's going to hold the line when they get to the Senate, right? We got an evenly divided Senate. And so this Senator it's going to be the plus one and we need them.

That's a lot of power. That's a lot of influence that can be used for good or for bad and we've got we're a big military family. We've got four brothers of my of our brother. Four of her brothers. Four of my brothers.

Four brothers trip in the front lines of Afghanistan with bullets flying by them. 13 immediate family members. A lot of grandparents and. So we're big military family. But one thing I also believe though is just because you're military.

Yes, I appreciate you and you're a hero to me for serving and laying down your life, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're conservative. So we've got another member another guy in this race who's a member of the Council of localists.

Elitist. Each state organization running for governor is off and.

Well, didn't you know that Stacey Abrams is the governor?

She thinks she is. She never resigned. She said the election was stolen. Right. Close question. And now 2000 mules did a pretty good did a great job of telling. Yeah, I got to see that.