Book of Romans - Ch. 9, Vs. 18-27 (11/07/2004)

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We are ready for Romans 9 18, but first I Want Myron to tell us?

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Why does God hate sin? simple question

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We know that he does He demonstrates that he does

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What? Well good Well That's what he does

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But why does he do it? Dennis can you help him out?

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Well, that's all correct, but that's what sin accomplishes Greg.

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Why does God hate sin? Well that would fit everything

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David You're all answering, but you don't know why you're answering

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Now who's on the back row Paul They all answer

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Paul Well Paul tell me why does

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God hate sin? well

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That's all correct, but that's not the right answer Think about it.

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Yes All right, all right

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All right All right

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The rest of you think of it think about it for a week

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All right, you got real real close

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Now how would you sum that up in one word? Well you all build on that this week

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Now God has done everything hasn't he through Jesus yes Yes Well you can phone in your answer

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Well, let me ask this I've asked it before but I don't know whether to this group

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Does Myron tell me does time march forward into time? Well, let me explain it

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Does time march forward into time? Why Well is the is this creation expanding into space well he was wrong

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You'll get into trouble doing that No Time does not march forward into time because there is no future time and Space is not

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Expanding into space space itself is expanding now

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God has done everything through Jesus Christ the Lord Why?

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Why is it that he has done everything? Greg Why has he done all of this what are we here for?

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Well, that's true, but Dennis all right

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Did you ever think that God put us here

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So that he could be among us He is you know

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He walks among us He is a great great

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God and defies description We ask questions and we have a good time asking them

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But God has put us here So he can walk among us

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Think about it now

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Come to verse 18 if you will in chapter 9 Therefore Hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy and whom he will he hardness

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This word hardness. Let's look at it Off of the top of your head

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Marvin or Mary Myron What does harden mean hardness?

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Already All right

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Those he will he hardness those that he will what's that mean joy?

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Does doesn't it seem strange? Dennis that Here's a group of people that God has made to hate him.

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I Don't believe that we'd ever do that. I Can't I can't comprehend it but that I Have no earthly idea

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Why he would choose me or any of you But he has

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He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy He is the one that decides

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Yet does God make decisions Why all right

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To Make a decision would

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Would include a certain amount of doubt on your part and there is no doubt with God Yes well it

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It wouldn't have served his purpose He wouldn't have

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Acted As he did we would have had to rewrite history John you want to say something?

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He would have to what? Where did it go?

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Yes All right, just a minute

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John found it All right

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So if he If he hardened Pharaoh's heart

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That means that he can soften your heart. Is that right?

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That's right Absolutely, because if he hadn't you wouldn't be where you are Yes That's right

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Absolutely Mercy is the absence of hardening and you're right.

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We overlooked that word But let's go on and see what

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Paul has God Does not save those whom he freely chooses according to his goodwill and pleasure

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But by justifying and sanctifying them by his grace his counsels in Saving them cannot

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Cannot seem unjust There is not injustice in the everlasting counsels of God With regard to the destruction of those whom he lifts to destroy

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Because he hardens before he destroys What does that mean

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David he hardens before he destroys that's right

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Yes And so That's absolutely right and we have to get in our mind and it's hard to do that I Love the

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Lord and I really don't know why But he loved me

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And I know that now Mr.

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So -and -so over here, he hates the Lord and I don't know why but he does

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In our mind It's it's shut off from God's mind.

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I Can't can't explain that really He Hardens before he destroys and He softens before he gives mercy the hardening and the softening is

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Real to you Yet God is in control this doctrine of reprobation which

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Paul is dealing with Consists in his word And in the word hardening we see it

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Which is set against mercy hardening and mercy Presupposes the same things that mercy did

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That is a voluntary corruption It's all voluntary

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And as far as man's concerned, it's not voluntary as far as God's concerned the reprobate or hardened and again corruption presupposes the perfect state of creation we have unbelief and Sin Which are the true and proper causes of the condemnation of the reprobate?

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Why does he then a point to destruction it's because he wishes to I I Cannot explain why?

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Why does he harden? Because he wishes to I cannot explain why?

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Because they're corrupt Why does he condemn? Because they're sinners where then is unrighteousness

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If he would destroy All after this manner to whom would he do injury?

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To whom it pleased him to a point to show his favor, and we don't know why

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Verse 19 that will say then Unto me why does he yet find fault?

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Or who has a resisted his will? The Reasons that God can justly judge is that man does that which he wants to do?

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You must remember that Man does what he wants to do each one of you have done that that you wanted to do

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This morning right now yesterday you have done exactly what you wanted to do now

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I know the younger the person the more they think they don't want to do that But they don't want the consequences if not doing it

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So man does that that he wants to do and he does not know that it was ordained by God long before He did it

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That's right We have always belonged to him If God appoints to everlasting destruction

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Such as he wishes and If that which he has decreed cannot be hindered nor withstood

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How does he justly condemn those who perish by his will?

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How is it can How is God justified

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In say hardening Pharaoh's heart, all right

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Who is that speaking

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Clarence, you're absolutely right. I wish you would repeat that That's right now in beginning

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When when we begin when when you were born The sin nature was imputed to you

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It was if if it had not been then you would have grown up neutral But Adam saw to it that it was imputed to us therefore

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That is the basis from which we all operate and what

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Clarence is saying is that When God removes his restate, it's nothing but evil with us

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Because that's our nature the old nature Now we say a lot about our new nature but that's not the

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In Other words, we'd have to have one or the other if you remove the restraints we operate in the evil

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It is God's restraint upon us that causes us to not operate in the evil 20 nay

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But old man who art thou that I that replied against God Shall the thing formed to say to him that formed it.

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Why hast thou made me thus? the apostle

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Does not answer that it Is not God's will Or that God does not either reject or elect according to his pleasure

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Which thing the wicked call blasphemy, but rather Grants his adversary both the preceding that is

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That it is God's will and that it must be of necessity

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So happen and we have to stop there. It is God's will

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That you were born again. It's his will that Mr.

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So -and -so is never born again He denies that God is therefore to be thought of as unjust or an avenger of the wicked for Seeing that it appears by manifest proof that this is the will of God and his doing

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What is it for man? Who is but dust and ashes? Now he made us with the ability to think the ability to talk the ability to blaspheme him all of this, but We are made and God made us

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We can't get away from the fact that we're we come into this world being made and God is the one that made us and As it were to call him into judgment now if any man say that the doubt is so dissolved and Is not so dissolved

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And answer I answer that there is no sure demonstration in any matter because it is grounded upon this principle that the will of God is the rule of righteousness

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And That's where we have to stop The will of God is the rule of righteousness

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The clay cannot ever say anything about it. It appears that God's determinate counsel

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Is set by Paul as the highest of all causes

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So that it depends not in any way on the second cause

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But rather shapes and desires them the first cause the cause without a cause

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Is the first cause and that's God 21

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Hath not the power Potter power over the clay of the same lump

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To say one to make one vessel unto honor and another unto dishonor

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Does God reason no? Does God make decisions no

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Alluding to the creation of Adam He compares mankind Not yet made

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But who are in the Creator's mind to a lump of clay Who afterwards

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God made and daily makes according as he purposed from everlasting

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Both such as should be elect and as should be reprobate.

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He made both As also The word make shows that What if God willing to show his wrath and To make his power known

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Endured with much long -suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction

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There are those people in the world that after their assigned work is finished

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For Satan will go into hell forever There are those people in the world that after their assigned work for Satan is finished

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Will go into hell forever You know, we think we're running this world

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We think that Bush is the president We think that there are people that we have to kill because of what they believe and don't believe

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And that's all true But every one of those people

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Are doing their own personal assigned work for Satan in Proverbs 16 for the

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Lord hath made all things for himself Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil besides That he justly decrees whatever he decrees

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He uses that moderation in Executing his decrees as is declared his singular merciful mercifulness even in the reprobate

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Even in the evil he is working In that he endures them a long time and has them to enjoy many things

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In this world He justly condemns them at length and that no good and No good end and purpose

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That is to show himself to be an enemy and avenger of the wickedness

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That it may appear what power he has by these

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Upon which he serves his judgment We can see the hand of God But just barely

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So by comparison and contrawise to set forth indeed how great his mercy is towards the elect therefore again

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We may say with Paul that some men are made by God The creator for destruction and that's true 23

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And That he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy

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Which he has afore prepared unto glory God also made certain ones for heaven

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Now Myron Are they going to heaven?

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Maybe or Maybe not That's right

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And they can go no place else except to heaven now will it be one

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That doesn't want to go there would be no one in hell or heaven because of you

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Is that right or wrong This means that no matter how poor a witness you are

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You will not send them to their Predetermined destination

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I Lived for many many years thinking that it made a difference

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But I've lived for many many years knowing it doesn't I? used to get all upset when the preacher put upon me a

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Guilt trip and if I didn't go out and if I didn't come to church and if I didn't talk to that person or this person if I didn't seek them out

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They'd go to hell But that's not true Russell now if you seek someone out, it's the will of God Why can't we all?

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Just let God work in our life. Just take it easy not complain about anything

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He does it all Dennis he is doing it all

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Therefore I should not find fault with anybody sin is the composite of human effort and divine judgment 24 even us

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Whom he hath called not of the Jews only But also of the

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Gentiles now they is us as He saith also in Hosea I will call them my people which were not my people and Her beloved which was not beloved

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Salvation is of the Lord But most people believe

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That they must accept it You cannot accept salvation

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It's impossible You will never be saved as long as you believe you must do something

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Everybody intends to go to heaven You believe that Very very few people

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I've ever found. I heard of a person in town Brother Jimmy heard of him woman

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That told brother Jimmy to get away from her she wanted to go to hell

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She didn't know what she was saying 26 and It shall come to pass

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That in the place where it was said unto them ye are not my people

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There shall they be called the children of the living God The salvation of any of the lost race of men originates where With God the love of God and is accomplished by whose power by his power and grace

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Showing them their need of Christ and inclining them to believe in him

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He will make them to believe in him but David We all do that that we want to do.

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I say also Christ concerning Israel Though their number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea a remnant shall be saved

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Contrary to this neither any outward general calling neither any worthiness of our ancestors

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None of that is sufficient To witness the election unless by faith and Belief we answer

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God's call which thing came to pass In the

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Jews as well as in the Lord As the Lord had foretold

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I've got to stop We'll start with verse 28 of chapter 9

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Now I want you to think about what why does

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God hate sin and And you will all turn in your answers except Marvin or Myron and he'll call his in Is there any word from anybody this has been a good class