June 23, 2020 Show with Bhanu Gadde, Pharm.D. on “More Counsel (& Exciting News) From a Pharmacist on the Coronavirus”

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Banu Gadi, hopefully God will use him to improve and even save lives today that have been affected by the coronavirus.

Dr. Gadi is a New York pharmacist who owns and operates

Lee's Drugs, a floral park, Long Beach Chemists, and Prescription Center of Long Island in Hempstead.

He also has a doctorate in pharmacy, known as a PharmD, and he is an elder at New Hyde Park Baptist Church, New Hyde Park, Long Island, New York.

Today we are going to be addressing more counsel and more exciting news from a pharmacist on the coronavirus, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr.

Banu Gadi. Thank you so much, Brother Chris, it is so wonderful to be with you again on the radio.

Yeah, it's been, I think since I was on the program last time, it's been an exciting time, very, you know, filled with a lot of wonderful stories of recovery.

Amen, yes, and you've been sharing some of those with me. Let me, first of all, give our listeners our email address if they have a question of their own that they'd like to ask you.

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Now let's just recap a few things from the last time you were on the show.

You heard, obviously, as the world started hearing about this thing called the coronavirus, also known as COVID -19, that had origins in China and began spreading out of China all over the world.

And how quickly did you formulate in your mind an idea that I think that vitamin

D3 is going to be very effective in combating this and even curing this?

You know what, back in even December itself, December -January timeframe, as this was making its rounds in China and eventually in Italy, Spain and Europe, I did have an idea about vitamin

D and its effectiveness in addressing viral illness. And I knew that it would work and this has been affecting and also looking at the previous studies in 2002 of SARS and in 2000, you know, later on MERS, Middle Eastern, those two are

MERS, that is Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome and the South Asian Respiratory Syndrome.

Those two are also coronaviruses and looking at the outcomes of those people who had 60 to 100 nanograms per ml of vitamin

D serum level, they fared very well and they almost did not have any fatal outcome at all.

So based on that, I knew that this proper vitamin D supplementation is going to work and proper vitamin

D levels, having proper vitamin D levels would work. But the question was, you know, how quickly we can get people's vitamin

D levels up. That was the question that I was dealing with late February. And finally, you developed dosages according to the level of seriousness with which the coronavirus has affected different individuals.

And if you could tell us about that. Oh yeah. So what we did, this is this, in late

February, we have pharmacies and whether coronavirus or not, we are supposed to be open and we continue working, you know, even in the lockdown.

So my thinking was, okay, we need to protect all our employees. And between my pharmacies and my brother -in -law's pharmacies, we have about 15 plus pharmacies on Long Island area.

So we have about 100 plus employees and we started supplementing 10 ,000 units twice daily for all these employees.

I insisted them take 10 ,000 units twice daily, starting in late February. And they continued for about eight weeks until we have taken their levels.

And every one of them, they reached about 80 nanograms per ml on the dosing. That was 20 ,000 units daily for about eight weeks.

Their levels were 80 nanograms per ml or above. And I know that was protective and that proved to be protective, even though we were working in some pharmacies, we were working full schedule, none of the employees got sick.

So that is how, that was the preventive dosing that initially worked.

And later on, what happened was, you know,

March, second week of March, coronavirus cases were, COVID cases were showing up all around us.

So my thinking was, okay, so in eight weeks, we were able to fix the deficiency to a point where it was making a difference.

So I thought, okay, is it possible, is it possible to fix it in a shorter period?

Because this coronavirus, it is able to kill people. It was, you know, even, you know, people, this is what makes it very difficult to deal with this disease.

People start with a little fever, a little cough, almost no symptoms. And the fever goes away, and this is nothing that they have not experienced before with any viral illness.

So a little fever, a little cough, and, you know, the persistent cough, and you take

Tylenol, the cough, the fever goes away. And then the crucial period comes, about 10th day or 9th day or 10th day, okay, they start experiencing this virus is settling in into the lungs, and it is replicating at a feverish manner, a feverish pace.

And it is settling into the lungs, and that is when it really hits. That is called, see, the body wakes up, and the immune system wakes up, and it goes into an uncontrolled fit, and it starts releasing these cytokines.

These cytokines are the chemicals that the immune system uses to kill the invading organisms.

But the problem is with this, if the cytokines are not controlled properly, not released in a controlled manner, the cytokines end up doing a lot of harm to a lot of inflammation to the lung tissue, and that is what was resulting in severe

ARDS, Acute Respiratory Disease Syndrome, in this. And so, people continue to ignore it, and ignore it, and ignore it, until they are not able to breathe, and their breathing ability is intact, okay, their diaphragm is working properly, they're able to breathe in the air, but that air fails to oxygenate the blood.

That is the problem. So, that is what is so sinister about this, because, you know, it seems to be people seem to be recovering, and once people are, you know, resting in the false sense of security, that is when it hits the breathlessness, and they're not able to breathe, and that is the time to go to the hospital.

When they go to the hospital, they look at the lungs, and this is a ground glass appearance. It is severe ARDS, and severe pneumonia, and that is when they are not able to, they cannot breathe without a ventilator, and they are on the ventilator.

So my thought pattern was this, okay, so can we fix this deficiency, so that it makes a difference in five days, so what

I did is this, so 20 ,000 units for eight weeks, that amounts to roughly about a million units of vitamin

D3, so I compressed that dose down to one million units over five days, that is 200 ,000 units of vitamin

D3 over five days, and I reached out to some of the doctors in the area, and they started prescribing that, and even though this is an over -the -counter, they started prescribing that, and we started seeing excellent, excellent results, by day one of 200 ,000 units, their symptoms improved to a point where they don't have any fever, they don't have any cough, and by day five, the whole thing, you know, their whole illness was resolving.

That is what we observed, and to my dismay, I knew vitamin D would work, but I did not know it worked that well.

Now, how did you know that vitamin D would work? Was it because of most of the people getting seriously negatively affected by it, and even perishing from it, had something to do with the vitamin

D content in their blood from lack of sun and that kind of thing? Yeah, so this is the thing, okay, there were, early

April, there was a couple of studies that came from, you know, Indonesia and Malaysia, so those studies, without any doubt, beyond any doubt, correlated vitamin

D deficiency with the outcomes, with the negative outcomes with this disease, so people who had vitamin

D deficiency, they suffered higher mortality, and they suffered severe, more severe symptoms than the people who have sufficient vitamin

D levels, and that study was confirmed by, there is another study that came very recently, it's in a daily mail that we have here, it says terrifying chart shows how

COVID -19 patients who end up in the hospital may be almost certain to die if they have a vitamin

D deficiency. They present some statistics here that are just phenomenal, so here they say in this paper, what we see is this, if somebody is deficient, deficiency is defined as vitamin

D levels being 20 nanograms per ml or below, 20 nanograms per ml or below is the deficiency, and the

COVID patients who were 20 nanograms per ml or below vitamin D level in their blood, the mortality rate, the death rate in them is 98 .9%,

so 99 out of 100 people who are deficient in vitamin

D succumbed to this disease, and then the second group is this, so insufficient, so vitamin

D insufficiency is defined as 20 blood level of vitamin D of 20 to 30 nanograms per ml, so there the death rate is 87 .8,

so almost 88 people out of 100 people in the insufficient group died, and now comes the normal group, normal levels of vitamin

D are 30 to 100 nanograms per ml, so in that group, the death rate is 4 .1%,

so 96 people out of 100 survived in the group where the vitamin

D levels are normal, whereas 99 people out of 100 died in the deficient group, so that is the statistic which confirmed my suspicion that vitamin

D would work, and also later on, there is ample evidence in the literature that vitamin

D works in multiple ways, several ways in addressing this illness, so yeah,

I knew from multiple sources that the vitamin D would work. Now, to break it down for the average person listening who might be alarmed at the sound of the numbers involved as far as units in the dosage taking every day, they may not even realize, like I didn't initially realize until I got my vitamin

D from you, that you could get 50 ,000 units in a single capsule.

Yes, yes. So now, typically, when you hear that somebody either has the coronavirus or has been exposed to it, what specifically is the regimen that you tell them to participate in?

Okay, before we get to that, Chris, I'd like to discuss the toxicity of vitamin D3. Sure.

Okay, so vitamin D is, you know, everybody knows, every clinician in this country knows, most of the people are vitamin

D deficient, specifically if you look at all the population together, vitamin

D deficiency is in almost 50 % of the people, but if you look at dark -skinned individuals, that goes up to almost 85 -90 % of the individuals with dark skin, darker skin, are vitamin

D deficient. Okay, so these clinicians are used to prescribing a vitamin

D2, 50 ,000 units, once or twice, or even three times a week, because in severely deficient individuals, that is the regimen, three times a week, that is 150 ,000 units a week, almost for about 12, 15, or even 6 months.

And also, that has been used, and also in most people, they use about one capsule of that, that is 50 ,000 units twice a week, forever, and also once a week is used forever, almost.

That works out to almost 3 million plus units if they're using once a week in a year, and also if it is twice a week, it's about 7 million units a year.

Okay, so now vitamin D2 and D3, there is a big difference between D2 and D3.

Vitamin D2 is called ergocalciferol, it is from plant sources, and that is not properly, see, that is not the natural vitamin

D that occurs naturally in our body. When we have proper cholesterol levels, and if we are healthy, if we go into the sun, okay, when our skin gets exposed to ultraviolet radiation, the cholesterol in our skin gets converted to vitamin

D. And in a fair -skinned individual, in about 15 minutes in the full sun, during this time, so in 15 minutes, they can generate up to 15 to 20 ,000 units of vitamin

D3. So, and also, these numbers, like let's say 50 ,000 units, so that is confusing.

You know, 50 ,000, when people hear 50 ,000 units, my goodness, it is a lot, but that is equal to 1 .25

milligrams of cholecalciferol, that is the vitamin D. So the unit measure can be a little bit misleading, and also, in the previous, in the olden times, about 40, 50 years ago, people with rheumatoid arthritis, they have been given 100 to 200 ,000 units daily of vitamin

D3 forever. And also, this misnomer about vitamin

D3 being toxic is very prevalent in the general population, not only in the general population, but in the medical community as well.

Vitamin D is toxic, vitamin D is toxic. Okay, so I ask people, okay, what are the signs of vitamin detoxicity?

You know what, nobody really knows. It causes hypercalcemia, okay, and it can raise the calcium level.

So that is what they go to. And also, I asked several clinicians who talked about vitamin detoxicity, and I asked them, how many people have you seen being vitamin detoxed?

Okay, and several of them, none of them seen anybody being vitamin detoxed, okay. And I asked them again, you know, how many people have you seen die of vitamin detoxicity?

No one, none. And we go back to, there are several studies and several papers in the scientific journals, okay, going back to, and one paper that I am referring to is the

Mayo Clinic report in 2015. They titled it like this,

Vitamin D may not be as toxic as we thought it would be. Okay, that was the title of the thing.

And also in that, they refer to and they cite several examples of true vitamin detoxicity that happened because of the calculation errors and people were taking 250 to 300 ,000 units because it was not properly diluted.

They were taking it daily for a long time and that ended up being, one person ended up being toxic.

And the second is a little baby whose mom was giving him 50 ,000 units daily for three months, one year old.

That ended up being toxic. And that toxicity resolved very quickly. Also, one person was taking up to 60 million units in about, in a matter of six months to about nine months or so.

And that, you know, that person ended up, you know, with a toxic level and that also resolved. So vitamin detoxicity is not like, you know, if it is any other drug, see vitamin

D is so versatile. You can take it in small doses and even higher doses. And previously the vitamin

D level that was recommended by the Endocrine Society was based on the study to prevent rickets.

The rickets is a bone disease. And they came up with 400 units to 600 units of vitamin

D3 to prevent rickets. So we never came out of that recommendation ever.

And later on, Endocrine Society went back and they gave a recommendation of, you know, not to exceed 4 ,000 units.

And even that too, that study also, they made a statistical error and there is another paper describing the statistical error that was made with that.

And they undercounted it by, you know, by, you know, what is it, a half.

So in fact, 9 ,150 or 9 ,000 plus is the level that is safe.

That's what they concluded. But in several other studies, you know, up to 30 ,000 to 40 ,000 units daily forever has been found to be very safe over a long time.

So vitamin detoxicity is something that needs to be looked into and people need to study the material that is already available, all the scientific studies available.

And we need to get rid of the fear of vitamin detoxicity because of that vitamin detoxicity fear, we ended up being vitamin

D deficient and all these diseases are ravaging the societies because of vitamin

D deficiency. Now, going back to my question earlier that you wanted to delay answering because you wanted to say what you just said about the toxicity.

What is typically the regimen that you have people, that you recommend people participate in with vitamin

D3, depending upon whether they're just exposed to it or actually have it?

Right. Have the coronavirus that is. Right, exactly. Okay. So this is what we have.

We have data and several, you know, patients of several doctors in this area.

So pre -exposure, that means, so like I did with my employees, 20 ,000 units daily for six to eight weeks in two divided doses.

Okay. So then they need to check the level and we checked levels of several individuals and that came up to a protective level.

So that is the first one. The second one, the potential exposure. If somebody thinks they are exposed and let's say a potential exposure or post -exposure and if they are negative or no symptoms,

I would go with 50 ,000 units daily for 10 days. Okay. Then cut it back to 10 ,000 units daily for four to six weeks and then check the level.

So that also was protective because there were several individuals in the patients, the positive patients who are taking higher doses of vitamin

D3 and the spouses and children, they took this adult children, they took this regimen, the 50 ,000 units daily for 10 days, then 10 ,000 units daily for four to six weeks.

That also ended up being protective. None of them turned positive. Okay. The post -exposure, that is with positive and with symptoms, we have 50 ,000 units four times a day for five days.

Okay. So that is 200 ,000 units for five days, daily for five days. That is if somebody has a coronavirus positive, that is bringing their levels up to about 150 nanograms per ml and we've been monitoring them and we monitored several of these patients and their levels reached about 150 plus.

And then in about two months, we've been monitoring their calcium levels, several of them, and their calcium levels stayed steady and no signs of any toxicity whatsoever.

Okay. We have an anonymous listener. The anonymous listener says that I have several people in my family who had the vitamin

D sufficiency and got the coronavirus. I began administering to them the regimens that you recommended and have been seeing wonderful recovery.

But it really angers me that nobody in the media, as you have both been saying, and your previous interview on Iron Sharpens Iron, is talking about this at all.

Not even the experts that they routinely have on all these shows. After all this time, why is this still the case?

Even though there seems to be some very mild recognition, very briefly mentioned that sunlight is helpful because of the vitamin

D. Very good question. I think people are very scared.

I think we are conditioned to believe that all fat -soluble vitamins are toxic and toxic things to be avoided and we need to stay away from the toxic things, as far away from the toxic things as possible.

And slowly but surely, I think previously in 30, 40, 50 years ago, everybody was taking, as awfully as it tasted, everybody was taking cod liver oil and various other supplements and going into the sun and eating well and eating eggs.

And now we are worried about other diseases and cardiovascular risks and other things and we are avoiding eggs and yolks and all things pertaining to cholesterol.

The cholesterol forms the basis for vitamin D production. Cholesterol forms the basis for all the steroid hormone production.

So I think we got here slowly, but I think we came to a point where we thought we standardized everything and I think that media will come to this.

I think we are at a point, Chris, we cannot get away from the realization that this is a vitamin

D deficiency disease. And without fixing vitamin D deficiency, there is no getting out of this predicament.

And that is what I firmly believe. I think sooner or later we have to, everybody has to agree, everybody has to come to that conclusion.

And if people are not willing to take higher doses, you know what, take 5 ,000 units and go into the sun. And it will take time.

It will take three months or four months, you know, to build those levels up and continuously check your levels up and maintain those levels properly.

So that is what I would say. And why does media talk about this? I do not know.

I think they are actively avoiding vitamin D question altogether. Yeah, it seems very bizarre.

It compels me to think that there is some hidden reason that is sinister, that they do not want the cure to be a very, very inexpensive vitamin that is very easily obtained.

Right. It is entirely possible. I think that time will tell. The motives and time will tell.

Yeah. Let us see. We have John in Bangor, Maine says, one thing

I do not understand about what you said is that people with darker skin tend to be more vitamin

D deficient than lighter skin people. The reason why that puzzles me is that typically ethnicities with darker skins are from countries where they are in the sun for much longer periods of time.

Why would they be vitamin D deficient if this is the case? That is a wonderful question.

That is a great question. Okay. This is why. See, I would like to relate that to my experience.

You know, I am a dark skin individual. Really? When I came from India, see in India, we have sun throughout the year.

Even in winters, at those latitudes, if we get exposure to the sun, we make enough vitamin

D. What I said when I said it is easier for the lighter skin individual to generate a lot of vitamin

D is because there is a pigment called melanin in our skin and in darker skin individuals, melanin is at a higher level and melanin blocks the

UV radiation that is required. Yes. Yes. So, in equatorial regions and all in those areas in India and those latitudes, people in the olden days, they worked outside a lot, worked outside a lot and that is the reason why their vitamin

D levels are much higher. For a fair skin individual, it may take 15 minutes to, for me, it may take about an hour of exposure for the same thing.

But do I have that hour in the sun? So, that is the reason why in the North America, we, you know, dark skin individuals do not get enough sun exposure.

That is the reason why they are deficient. And also, even in India, India is now is a sun avoidance culture.

So, in the upper middle class and middle class people in India, they are extremely vitamin

D deficient. And in India, vitamin D levels of people are, you know, in the single digits nowadays.

Because of the modern technology and modern lifestyles, people hardly need to go into the sun at all.

Yes. Let us see here. We have Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who asks,

I saw an African American politician on television today ask a doctor if he believed that systemic racism has anything to do with the root of black people dying at higher rates from the coronavirus.

And I was wondering if you think this is nonsense, just as I immediately thought when

I heard it. Yeah. In fact, it was Tony Fauci that was asked this question.

And he said, yes, I believe that it is. I do not know how on earth he could have any, he did not say any evidence towards that.

He just placated the politician. But what are your thoughts on that? See, the problem is,

Chris, for any question, for us to really, if we want an honest answer for a problem,

I think we need to address every aspect of the problem that is at hand.

So here we are talking about vitamin D deficiency being a causative factor, or at least a factor that can exacerbate the

COVID illness and the subsequent death.

So if vitamin D deficiency is at the root, and if darker skinned individuals have less ability to make vitamin

D, and then, you know, the supplementation would be the solution. And if we arrive at a wrong solution, and that would be fatal to our cause.

And that question is not answered properly at all. We need to consider that question for all its ramifications and also for all its causes.

And the cause is vitamin D deficiency. And it is, in African Americans, it is so sad that a lot of African Americans in this country are vitamin

D deficient. That is a known fact. Yes, that's a known fact from what

I remember you saying even before today's broadcast. But to jump to the accusation that systemic racism has to do with black folks getting sick from the virus and dying from it at higher rates.

It's just like everything wants to, people want to blame everything on systemic racism today, which just means your average white guy is at fault for some reason.

You know, this disease has affected every ethnicity and every race, a lot of Indians and a lot of African Americans.

I think, you know, a lot of white people, they have succumbed to this disease.

I think we need to, you know, this is a crisis of monumental proportions,

Chris. I think we need to, we all need to come together and explore the real reason why we are here with respect to this disease.

And the vitamin D looms large as a solution. Well, we have to go to our first station break.

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Dr. Banu Gadi, who is a New York pharmacist who owns and operates

Lee's Drugs of Floral Park, Long Beach Chemists, and Prescription Center of Long Island and Hempstead.

He's also an elder at New Hyde Park Baptist Church on Long Island, and we are discussing more counsel and exciting news from a pharmacist on the coronavirus.

If you have questions of your own, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com. chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

And we have a question from Linda in Hilltop Lake, Texas. And Linda says,

Does Dr. Gadi have an updated YouTube video, or is the previous

YouTube still have all the answers? Yeah, YouTube videos,

I have several coming online I haven't been able to do. Probably in the next three to four days,

I'll have a few more videos available. Okay, what would be some of the information that's included on this new video that wouldn't be on the previous one?

Right, right. Yes. What would some of those things be? No, I'd like to go more into how the previous video was just a summary that vitamin

D is working. In these videos, I'd like to share more about how it is working.

And I'd like to share a few more case a few case reports of people that were brought back from the brink of death.

Yeah, that's definitely what I want you to do today. That's why I said, you have more exciting news for us.

So tell us about some of those cases. Okay. And also, I'd like to just bring the last question to the closure.

You know, somebody from Maine asked about the dark skin individuals not not being able to generate vitamin

D. Okay. See, the thing is that melanin, it prevents from ultraviolet rays from entering, so they can effectively convert cholesterol into vitamin

D. See, the same melanin, which is preventing, you know, which see for dark skin individuals, it takes longer for them to generate vitamin

D. But the same melanin is protecting them from developing skin cancer. If you look at the skin cancer rate around the world, or in the

United States, about 40 % of all skin, 45 % of all skin cancers, they occur in Caucasians, in fair skin individuals, and 4 % to 5 % in Hispanics, and about 2 % to 4 % in Asians, and 1 % to 2 % in Blacks.

So God's design is such a wonderful design. I think there is a blessing in disguise in every matter.

I think what we need is we need knowledge about these blessings and knowledge about God's design in our body, so we can properly supplement our nutrition, and we can bring our nutritional status to a point where it is protective.

So I'd like to bring that to a close. Now, some cases that I'd like to discuss.

One individual is an African -American individual.

He's a dear friend of mine, about 40 years old, and he suffered from a condition called thalassemia.

Thalassemia is a genetic disorder. It's a blood disorder, and his hemoglobin levels always were very low.

The normal levels in males are about 14 to 17, but his level was always below 6, and in the last year, he had to have three blood transfusions because his level dipped below 4, about four and a half.

So he was told by his doctor that if he ever got coronavirus, it would be fatal, and lo and behold, he did catch coronavirus.

On March 29th, he had been diagnosed with COVID, and he was in the house, in his house quarantining himself, and he was suffering.

He was sleeping throughout the day, coughing and fevers and other things. So I sent him a vitamin

D, 50 ,000 unit capsules. So he received it on April 2nd.

He started the regimen on April 2nd. On April 5th, he calls me and says, brother, you need to make a video of this, because I feel so much better.

He was walking, and he was up and about. His energy levels are through the roof, and he finished that five -day course, and on April 9th, he tested negative.

Praise Jesus. Praise Jesus, indeed. Okay, so he tested negative, and after that, so April, no, so that is

April 9th, right? And April 2nd, he started. On June 2nd, he had a blood test.

On June 5th, he calls me and says, brother,

I need to tell you something, okay? What did I say? His hemoglobin levels were never above six, right?

And on June 2nd test, his hemoglobin level went to 13 .9. Wow. 13 .9.

It is normal, okay? And he had this rare blood disorder, genetic disorder called thalassemia, and he took vitamin

D for COVID, and he got well from COVID, and apparently, he got well from thalassemia as well.

So vitamin D is a very versatile vitamin. It's not a vitamin.

It is a pro -hormone. It works in multiple ways in our body. It is an immune modulator.

It is a gene modulator. So it's assuming that most of the genetic issues are because the rogue genes are getting expressed.

So this vitamin D receptor is a nuclear receptor. It stays in the nucleus, and it modulates the genetic expression also.

There is a lot of evidence to that. So here, I was just blown away.

I was in tears, Chris, listening to this report. And he was just,

I was blown away. In fact, I want you to pick up on that report and include others when we come back from our midway break.

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And we have an email from Chuck.

Let's see here. And by the way, I happen to know that this particular

Chuck is actually Pastor Chuck Volo. And when a pastor of a biblically solid church writes in a question,

I like to give their church a plug. He is pastor of New Life Community Church in Maryland.

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Kingsville, Maryland, New Life Community Church in Kingsville, Maryland. And his website is newlifemd .org,

newlifemd .org. And Pastor Chuck says, Dr.

Gadi, I have much appreciated the insights the Lord has given you. And I am grateful for your willingness to give personal help as you have a couple as you have to a couple of my friends who contracted the virus.

My parents are ages 91 and 92. My daughter in law is pregnant.

Should they be advised to take the same regimen to get their vitamin D up to 80 or 90?

And I don't know what ng slash ml means. Perhaps you could tell me.

Okay, no dangers question mark. Any threat of harmful interactions with other meds?

Okay, no, there are no dangers. I think especially the elderly, they need to be at a higher level than the lower level.

And also there are so many mechanisms that are working against elderly reaching a proper level.

Their skin is not as conducive for vitamin D generation as supple skin can be.

So I think they need supplementation definitely. And also with respect to pregnancy, there are several studies which throughout the pregnancy, when a pregnant woman is supplemented with upwards of 5000 plus units daily, that aborted well for the whole pregnancy as well as the development of the child.

So yes, definitely I would recommend in both cases.

And no risk in mixing it with other medications? No, most of the thing is with respect to vitamin

D, this is what I found out in my study. At 40 nanograms per ml or below, most of the enzymatic activity in the body is not properly working.

So at 40, 40 is the minimum level that everybody should have. At 40, every process in your body is getting kickstarted.

So then what happens is all these physiological processes, if we look at the biochemical reactions, most of them use a lot of water and dehydration is one of the risks.

If you're dehydrated, it can enhance the supposed toxicity of vitamin

D. So when you're taking vitamin D at high levels, make sure that you're properly hydrated.

And the second thing is I mentioned in the last interview, you must supplement with magnesium.

Magnesium, if you're taking vitamin D at high levels, it can cause magnesium depletion.

And magnesium, 1 to 2 grams daily must be supplemented. Magnesium is instrumental in vitamin

D being converted to active form in the liver. So magnesium supplementation is non -negotiable.

Okay, so what is the dosage of the magnesium? 1 to 2 grams daily.

No matter how much of the vitamin D3 you're taking? No, no matter how much of the vitamin

D3. 1 to 2 grams magnesium, and that should be sufficient. Great. Well, thank you,

Dr. Volo. Thank you, Pastor Volo. And I look forward to you returning as a guest to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio for if you could bring more former

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Amish religion than the true gospel of the scriptures. It's basically a works righteousness system.

And Chuck has been used of God mightily in that area. So we look forward to you returning to the show, brother.

And thanks for listening and sending in the question. All right, now let's hear some of these additional cases of people being rescued from the jaws of death through your administering the vitamin

D3. In fact, I remember one of them involves a priest, am I right? Yes, we will come to that a little later.

I'd like to talk about one of our pharmacies. Okay. This patient, his wife came in a panic and she was standing in a car in the front of the pharmacy.

So I went and met her. Doctor sent a prescription for vitamin D. So I went out and gave it to her.

And she was in tears. And her husband, 74 years old, and he was having breathing trouble.

Also, her brother -in -law was in the hospital by then. They were contemplating whether to put him on a ventilator or not.

And I don't know what happened. We did not give vitamin D to him. But her husband, we did give vitamin

D. And I told her, I gave her all the instructions as to how it must be taken and proper hydration and other things.

And there is something called, this is a very sinister illness where this manifests in multiple ways in our body.

So one of the ways is it causes blood clots all over the body. There's small, small blood clots all over the body, which tend to clog up the capillary beds in the lungs and various parts of the body.

That is one of the very sinister ways that this virus attacks the body.

So one of the measures of this coagulation, the blood clots, is called

D -dimer. And his D -dimer level was going through the roof, Chris. When she came to pick up the vitamin

D and other medication, his D -dimer level was going through the roof. And so I followed up every day with him.

And the second day, he did not have any cough. The cough went away and the fever went away.

And then on the third day, they checked the D -dimer. D -dimer dropped like a rock.

So D -dimer level went down so quickly in three days. And in five days, he was completely well.

So 74 -year -old. Praise God. Praise God, indeed. And also, the thing is, as we were going through these cases, it's like an eye -opener after an eye -opener.

The early intervention worked extremely well and even the later interventions worked extremely well.

So the next case is another person for whom a doctor has given not only vitamin

D, but several other medications. This was in the initial stages of coronavirus explosion here in Long Island area.

So he's also 70 -plus years old. So what happened was he was having a lot of side effects from the other medications that he was taking.

And he attributed that to the vitamin D and he stopped taking vitamin D on day two. So on the 10th day or 11th day, his wife comes in and tells me that he is still having trouble.

So I asked, was he taking vitamin D? He said no, he stopped because of the side effects. The side effects probably are due to the other medication and since he finished taking other medication, you know what, he should continue vitamin

D. So I checked with the doctor and had him continue on vitamin D.

And by next day, next morning, he calls me and says, thanks me. And so we gave him a little more vitamin

D. And 10 days later, he comes back with a report of a negative report and with his antibody levels through the roof.

And he was just, so he was so broken up, Chris, and he was thanking me and saying, you know, you all saved my life.

Because, you know, he knew he was progressing down the slippery slope and he was able to, you know, he was rescued.

And even to this day, when he calls, he just breaks up with emotion. Any other cases?

Oh yeah, definitely. So the last one is this one priest, he did not take vitamin

D as instructed. I think he probably was afraid of vitamin

D toxicity. This was on a Tuesday, he was offered vitamin D high dose by his niece and his niece is an emergency

ICU nurse and his nephew is an endocrinologist. And even when they gave him, he did not take it on a

Tuesday. He was getting worse. And Wednesday, he got worse. On Thursday at three o 'clock, he got so bad.

And he was in the hospital right away because he had severe, severe

ARDS and both lungs showing up like ground glass appearance.

And that is the typical presentation of this coronavirus when it is presenting exacerbation.

At three o 'clock, she called me in a panic, crying, is there anything that we can do? Is there anything that we can do?

And since they are, I said, you know, on seas on a ventilator, there is very little we can do because they are intubated.

So and this is something called cytokine storm is in full blown, you know, in full fury.

That is what is going on and the lungs shutting down. And his oxygen levels were around 80 at that time.

So I asked them if they can give vitamin D at this point, you know, that we can try it because he's going to, you know, he's deteriorating so fast that he was going to die anyway.

So we would try to convince the doctor if he would give vitamin D. So she talked to the doctor and doctor consented.

And he asked me how much can we give? So I said, you know what, give 400 ,000 units of vitamin

D, mix it with some liquid and push it through the nasogastric tube. So he wrote the prescription for eight capsules of 50 ,000 units from the hospital pharmacy.

And the hospital pharmacy refused to fill that prescription because this is too high a dose and they're not used to these doses.

Even with a doctor requesting? Yeah, doctor requested and hospital did not, the hospital pharmacy did not fill that.

So by then, you know, it was 530. Hospital pharmacy refused it. And then what happened was by then his oxygen saturation was below 70 and dipping down to 65.

So then we tried to convince the doctor to talk to the pharmacy chief and pharmacy chief was presented with a lot of the posts, my

Facebook posts and the evidence that I presented in those posts and she eventually relented and released that prescription by seven o 'clock.

At seven o 'clock, oxygen saturation dipped down to 56 and it was going down.

And nobody thought he would live through that night. So at 730, they administered 400 ,000 units of vitamin

D3. And then about nine o 'clock, I received a call, a panic call saying, oh my

God, he woke up and he woke up and he woke up and his oxygen saturation went down to 50, mid to mid 50s, low 50s.

And it returned in two hours to 82. By next morning, his oxygen saturation was 92.

And so slowly, he started stabilizing. And we continued vitamin D regimen for next five days.

And he was admitted to the hospital on Thursday. And by next Thursday, by next

Wednesday, in five days, his lungs were completely clear. Praise God.

Praise God. And he was on the ventilator. But the thing is, doctors did not know what was going on.

And eventually he had other problems. The problem was, he was not supposed to make it through the night and he lived for 17 more days.

And on the 17th day, and on the 13th day, he suffered a massive stroke. This is, I don't know, you know what, nothing can be known about this case because the hospital and all the doctors who were treating him were in denial and they did not know what was going on.

So he succumbed to a stroke and his lungs were clear. His breathing ability completely returned.

His lungs were clear and he succumbed to a stroke. And he was given, so he was taking an anticoagulant for his arrhythmias.

And they were administering throughout this time that anticoagulant. And on the day 12 or so, he may have suffered the bleed in the brain.

And that progressed without noticing until the 14th or 15th day. That is when he suffered a small seizure.

And that is when they went in and saw that he had a stroke. And on the 17th day, he died.

Well, that has a sad ending, but all the others that you mentioned were nothing but good news. Yeah. Let's see.

We do have another question from Linda in Hilltop Lakes, Texas, who sent in a question earlier.

Are there many types of magnesium? What kind is best?

Magnesium citrate? Yes. Magnesium citrate, magnesium glycinate, and magnesium gluconate, and magnesium threonate, and all those things are very good ones.

I would, my choice would be magnesium glycinate. But magnesium oxide is very, bioavailability of magnesium oxide is very low.

But if you cannot find anything, you can go with magnesium oxide as well. But one thing about magnesium chloride is magnesium chloride or magnesium citrate, they can cause stomach upset.

So, you need to take it in divided doses and take it with food. So, magnesium glycinate or gluconate, they do not cause the stomach upset as much.

We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who says, what should the dosage of vitamin

D3 and magnesium be reduced to after you are cured of the coronavirus?

Okay. See, the thing is you check with your doctor right after that and get your levels checked.

And if they are high, I would abstain from taking vitamin

D supplementation for a time. And after that, supplement it to maintain around between 60 and 100 nanograms per ml.

And more and more evidence suggests it should be closer to 100 nanograms per ml. So, it is a continuous process.

In summer, we do not know how much sun exposure you get. So, based on that, I think get checked at least twice a year and consult with a doctor.

And you will get a pretty good feel about how much to supplement with based on those tests.

Great. I would go with, I have been taking 10 ,000 units forever, Chris. And my levels are about,

I would say about 60, 70. And now I pushed it up a little bit more. Okay.

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D3, which initially was rejected by the pharmacy, but later accepted.

Um, I can remember you even telling me when a friend was going into the hospital and it was feared she had coronavirus.

It turned out she did not. But you said that before anybody goes into the hospital, if they suspect they have the coronavirus, before they go in the hospital, they should take these large doses as you've recommended for the vitamin

D3, because you may not be able to get that into your system in the hospital.

The doctors might refuse. Am I right? That is, that is correct. Yes. If I, if I were in that situation,

I would, I would take vitamin D. That is the only way to bring these levels up so quickly in order for it to be protective.

Yes. Before I think I would, I would check with the doctor, but I would have more vitamin

D on board than, than, than not. Right. Well, I obviously don't check with the doctor before you go in though, right?

Because I mean, he may just say, no, don't do it. Because as, as you have said to me, very few doctors are acknowledging for some weird reason that this is making such breakthroughs.

I'll tell you this, Chris, there is, I have reached out to so many, so many doctors around this area, and there are, there are a few, thankfully, there are a few of them, they, they came on board.

And some of them, they were, they were skeptical. And as providence would have it, some of these doctors ended up with a coronavirus when, in the hospital.

And before going to the hospital, that is, I think when I reached out to them, I told them this.

So, they came back to me, and they, they, they took the high dose of vitamin D.

And they got well, even without going to the hospital. And now, they are the ones who call and thank me for, for saving their lives.

Amazing. Yeah. Let's see, we've got an anonymous listener who wants to know, why are hospitals putting that COVID -19 was responsible for the death of people, when the

COVID -19 wasn't actually what killed them, it was some other disease, they just happened to have

COVID. Why are these fraudulent death certificates being made to frighten people about this pandemic?

See, I do not know, because I do not work in a hospital. Yes, I think I have heard of those reports.

But there is, I think we need to look at more detail on that. These are cursory reports that, that came out from various sources.

But what I would say is, you know, this disease, even though, you know, the initial presentation is not that, that, that dramatic, not that serious.

This has the potential to progress to a fatal incident very quickly.

So it's not that we should not be, you know, afraid of this, or we should be afraid of this, but we need to consider the full ramifications of this disease.

And more and more and more evidence that is coming out points to, you know, if certain populations and certain people who are deficient in certain nutrients are extremely vulnerable to a fatal event.

So if that is the case, and if anybody is vitamin D deficient, they have everything to fear about this disease.

And the thing is, this disease itself, you know, it's a coronavirus, is not the one which is killing people, contrary to popular opinion.

See, coronavirus is doing its thing, and our immune system is doing the rest. So it is the overactive, uncontrolled immune system that is what is killing, ultimately.

So, and vitamin D is the modulator, ultimate modulator of the immune system, which is calming down the immune system where it is, where it is supposed to, and where it is out of control, and it is enhancing it where it is not.

And that is, that should be considered. The thing is, a lot of, there are lots of reports coming out.

I think we will, after all the dust settles, we will know the truth in time. But for some people, it may be too late.

I think we cannot, you know, say the death rate is low, death rate is high.

But all things considered, all -cause death rates have gone up throughout the world, and where,

I think, according to certain studies. So. Can, or should I say, do you automatically become immune to the coronavirus if you've already had it and been cured of it?

See, automatic immunity, there are several conflicting reports on that as well. See, initially they were saying if somebody is immune to it, that immunity may last up to two to three years.

Later on, there were, there are reports pointing to it may only last six months. Or, you know, so many things are coming out.

And also, one more thing about this is, you know, we don't know enough about the testing and how accurate the testing is, how accurate the antibody testing is.

And even in some people who are exposed to it, I know for a fact, several of them, the wife had the antibodies and the husband did not.

So what I'm guessing is, you know, there are several aspects to our immune system. There is an innate branch of the immune system, and there is an adaptive branch of the immune system.

So antibodies fall into the adaptive branch of the immune system. And if the innate immunity takes care of it,

CD4, CD8 cells take care of the virus before it gets to, it even triggers the adaptive immunity, then there may not be any antibodies in people.

So ultimate protection is proper vitamin D levels. I cannot say it enough.

You know, I have been saying this. I've been shouting it for the past five, six months now. And I, you know, still there are, that would be the ultimate protection.

Yes, I actually personally know a young man who is the son of a friend of mine.

And he lives with his girlfriend. They're not Christians. His girlfriend has the coronavirus, and he has never gotten it.

And she has never demonstrated symptoms either. Yeah. I would like to know what her vitamin

D level is and what his vitamin D level is. I think that is the biggest confounding factor in all this.

And nobody is mentioning that. And somebody is pointing to this blood group is more vulnerable, and that blood group is more vulnerable.

Or, you know, so many things coming out, which do not make any sense to me as a medical professional.

So, and I'd like to know their vitamin D level. Okay, I'll see if I can find that out for you.

Well, I want to make sure, before I go to any other listener question, that you have about four or five minutes uninterrupted to summarize everything that you want us to know in summary form, what you most want etched in our hearts and minds before we leave this program.

All right. Okay. So, vitamin D, it works in multiple ways.

First of all, initially, it suppresses the viral replication itself. So, for the virus to replicate in our bodies, it has to tap into cellular replication mechanisms.

So, once it enters the cell, it has to hijack those processes. If proper vitamin

D levels are present, that vitamin D receptor, when it is occupied, it will not let the virus to hijack those systems.

So, it suppresses the viral replication. And the second thing is, I mentioned it several times, it modulates our immune system.

And these, all these things that I'm mentioning are very well documented in medical literature.

It modulates the immune system. And also, there are certain compounds in the innate immune system that our body generates.

When the vitamin D is present, those compounds are upregulated. They are manufactured more. So, those can disrupt the viral envelope.

This is an envelope virus. It is enveloped. There is a shell around this virus, which is made of lipids.

And these compounds called cathelizidins and beta defensins, they disrupt that viral, that envelope, and it completely disrupts it and that way, so to speak, it kills the virus.

And also, it modulates, there is something called renin -angiotensin system, RAS. And it prevents, so the renin -angiotensin system, when it goes out of whack, it causes the acute lung injury.

That is one of the characteristics of this disease presentation. So, when vitamin

D has a role in modulating that renin -angiotensin system. And also, it improves the stability of the respiratory epithelium.

So, the lung tissue, the lungs are getting decimated by this virus. So, and it modulates, and it improves the stability of the lung epithelium.

And the second, and the sixth, the fifth is, it provides, it stabilizes the endothelial tissue.

So, one of the other presentations is the massive endothelial damage that is being caused by this virus.

So, vitamin D is documented to stabilize the endothelial, stabilize the endothelium.

And also, it prevents the blood clots, as I have already discussed before.

So, this is, I think, more and more I talk about this, Chris. I cannot help but be amazed at God's design in our body and how he has provided simple solutions in, you know, for complex and the problems that are shaking up this world.

And also, I'd like to end this with this, for, you know, in 2nd

Timothy, chapter 1, it says this, For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

I think we, as believers, I think we need to recognize God's design in this. I think this is a crisis of monumental proportions that the societies are going through.

And if we understand this well, and if we understand God's design well, this is an excellent gospel opportunity to reach out to the world and just proclaim the

God's goodness and God's kindness in his design and how we can relieve the world of this malady.

So, I think we can make use of this wonderful opportunity to bring an end to this suffering from this illness,

Chris. Well, we do have time for a couple of more questions. Johnny from Queens, New York.

Would a food -based derivative, or I'm sorry, would a food -based derived vitamin

D be better absorbed in our system than a synthetic vitamin D? Yes.

See, the synthetic vitamin D is the vitamin D2. And vitamin D3, it is manufactured through a process where the lanolin, that is called the wool grease from the lamb shearing process.

I think everybody understands that, I hope. When they shear the lambs and they boil the wool and they extract the lanolin, lanolin is nothing but pure cholesterol.

And that cholesterol is exposed to ultraviolet radiation to make vitamin D. And that is vitamin

D3. And that is the natural form of vitamin D, which our body also makes.

So, I think that is not better absorbed. It is a fat -soluble vitamin. As long as you have a little fat in your diet, it will be absorbed.

But you are better off taking a natural form rather than a synthetic one. And we have time for one more.

Bobby in Hartsdale, New York says, what do you think about the theories of herd immunity, where sometimes a disease may be lessened or even eradicated from a certain population just because it is being spread around amongst the population, especially amongst younger, stronger and healthier people, and then the disease finally disappears from that community?

Yeah, this is something that I have trouble understanding myself, herd immunity part.

If we are immune, yes. And if many people are immune, that spread can be controlled. And that is called the

R -naught. That is how many people one person can infect.

So, if more people are immune in a society, they can curtail that R -naught, that spread.

So, if more people are immune to it, any pandemic will not spread as much as it would otherwise.

That is the concept of herd immunity. And we have a solution here where everybody can be immune to this, and everybody's vitamin

D levels can be brought up to a point where they are immune from not only this viral illness, but any other viral illness.

And also, world over, Chris, this is in several countries.

For autoimmune disorders, they use massive, massive doses of vitamin D. In India, certain clinicians are using 600 ,000 units of vitamin

D3 injection to treat autoimmune disorders. This is nothing but an autoimmune disorder of sorts.

Okay, our immune system going out of whack, and it is not responding well to the challenge and going out of control.

So, that is an autoimmune kind of disorder. And also, there are lots of benefits.

So, we can be completely rid of viral illness or any illness if we are properly nourished.

And that is what I firmly believe. And one of Dr. Gadi's websites is longbeachchemists .com,

longbeachchemists .com. And the New Hyde Park Baptist Church website, where he serves as an elder, is nhpbc .com,

nhpbc .com. Thank you so much, Dr. Gadi, for being my fascinating guest once again.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.