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Andrew Sandlin had had done an episode of the Ezra Institute podcast and Man, I love that man so much

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He said look he's his argument was there's basically three perspectives Christian nationalism, which we're talking about here

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Christian pietism, which He would argue and I would argue is yeah, everyone else on the panel

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Yeah, he lumped in g3. Yeah, and then well not so much

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And I think even then we should be careful because Josh I Mean Josh and them have done a fantastic job of you know, addressing the magistrates.

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Yeah, of course And if you ask Andrew, he would probably say well, it's not derogatory.

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It just kind of describes You know their their perspective for lack of a better term

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So and then the third position which I would wholeheartedly Ascribe to is if you want to call it something it was

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Christian culture That's what Andrew's been promoting for years and it's perfect it's like we're just we're just trying to promote

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Christian culture And so not that to me accurately describes

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What we're trying to do from bottom up, right? You build the culture from the bottom up to the top

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Christian nationalism is more like top -down and we've been speaking out against that for years

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And he actually goes on Andrew went on to make a point that The Christian culture view has a much smaller civil government than the

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Christian Nationalism view does which I agreed with But you want to say something?

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No, I think that's it's a good point to remember about all of this because you have ideally speaking self -governing

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Christians who are creating that culture from the floor with Themselves their families and then of course the institutions that they build that flow forth into the culture and Create.

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Mm -hmm. It creates a certain kind of culture and that's just it's gospel proclamation

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But it's also gospel living that makes a certain kind of public square

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Which I've just never understood about you know To their particular system obviously when you have a

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Christian people or people that are self -consciously Christian in their Ethics and their public morality do we think that there's not going to be an effect in the public square from those types of people living and I don't believe that their system allows for that to be a successful endeavor

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Hmm, I believe that they think that's how it ought to be just later Yeah, right after the final coming of Christ they their their

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System disallows them from believing it to even be a possibility at this point in time.

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Yep, exactly, right okay, so I'm gonna move a little bit further here into this discussion

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So this question pops up and again even in the question I'm gonna stop it right off the question because even the question itself,

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I believe has Some misgivings in it. So So here's a question.

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I won't ask the group and then we'll I want to talk about a couple of responses man, who is

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Now calling himself a Christian nationalist he has come into your church or the church you serve or a member at and he is

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Upset that you or your pastor your elders are not doing enough

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You all you're doing is preaching the gospel preaching the gospel he says to you is

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It's just not gonna cut it anymore. That's not enough Not going to any one person popcorn grab bag before us.

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How do you respond to this? Young man, what do you say to him? So, I mean even in that question anyone

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Anyone that I know that would be like that would say The gospel is more than just Salvation by grace and it's exactly like a reformed soteriology

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Yeah By grace through faith a gospel that we all obviously affirm

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Right a reformational gospel that says we're saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone

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That is always the soteriological aspect of the gospel that we proclaim but once again bringing the gospel down into how a person is reconciled with God is

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Whether you like the term or not Truncated. Mm -hmm. It's a truncated understanding of what the good news is

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The good news is not just about forgiveness It's also about what

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God intends to do in the earth in setting things right in the public square Which is something that he uses his people who are justified by faith to do in the good works that they walk in Yeah, I mean we're in Christmas season.

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The gospel goes as far as the curse, right? It's fun We sing that at Christmas every year and Sandlin's made the point that says which is everywhere

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The curse is found everywhere that includes in the halls of our legislators. Exactly, right and you know

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Christ didn't come just to bring His people to heaven with him, right?

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He came to vanquish the works of Satan and so Like that again includes the civil realm like we're to go into the world with all this authority and preach the gospel so like I love

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I've learned this a lot from from from Andrew, but All these things that we're doing like when we go to the civil magistrate when we're calling them to repentance and we're caught

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We're calling them to kiss the Sun Like it involves the gospel it's part of the gospel, right like Or that is part of the gospel

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I should say I said it reverse but like The gospel call is in there and it and again this this assumption that they must be

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Separated and that they're two separate things Like I just don't know anybody that's doing that that feels that way, right?

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Yeah, and the gospel comes with a call to obey Jesus as well, right, you know, this is a call of repentance, but it's a call for those in authority to Kiss the