Fighting Tyranny w/former Navy SEALs

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In Matthew 16, Jesus chastised the Pharisees who could interpret the appearance of the sky but failed to interpret the signs of the time in which they lived.

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Who are the Pharisees of our day? This strong hold of sort of whiteness and white identity and pristineness is really part of what keeps us from making progress.

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We need to do better. The Church, rich in theological scholarship, has lingered in academic sanctuaries and ivory towers, failing to translate its lofty doctrines into a tangible and practical cultural apologetic.

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At the Worldview Youth Academy, we bridge this critical gap. Here, theological depth is not an end in itself but a means to engage with contemporary cultural issues for the glory of God and the expansion of his kingdom.

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Our mission is to cultivate thinkers who can articulate and apply Christian truths within contemporary societal challenges.

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So embrace this call to worship God with all your heart, all your soul and with all your mind.

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We will do better as this next generation tears down the idols of our modern culture and works to build a brighter future toward Christendom 2 .0.

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Is he hung up on me? YES! What? What?

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Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage.

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Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives. Right. Don't go into the world and make homies.

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Right. Disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle neck. That's a joke,

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Pastor. When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

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Woe to those who decree iniquitous decrees and the writers who keep writing oppression to turn aside the needy from justice and to rob the poor of my people of their right that widows may be their spoil and that they may make the fatherless their prey.

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What's up, everyone? Welcome back to another episode, if I could talk right, to Apologia Radio.

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Luke DeBear hosting today. And Pastor Jeff is, I believe, in Texas or on his way to Texas.

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He's been doing a lot this week for EAN. So yeah, I'm excited for today's show.

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I'm just going to go quickly here. But I got my buddy over here, Pastor Zach Morgan.

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Hi. To the right. He's glad to be here.

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And you're flanked by another Zach. I got all the Zachs today. Not all. We have a lot of Zachs. Yeah, that's true.

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That's why we did distinguish based on last names. Usually we have to. Yeah. So what's up,

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Little Caesars? Oh, not much. Just every time you call me that, I have a flashback to my childhood where we went to Little Caesars all the time.

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And got pizza. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Hopefully it's a pleasant memory. It's a very positive memory.

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Yeah. It's still there, actually, in AJ. I've seen it. It won't cause you pain. Yeah. No. Fond. I'm fond of the memories.

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It was a bad experience at Little Caesars. No, never a bad experience. What's going on? We're busy. What do we got going on with End Abortion Now?

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End Abortion Now is in the midst right now of trying to fight against and help with defeating our ballot initiative here, of course.

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So we are continuing to proclaim prophetically what the truth is about abortion in terms of what

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God thinks about it. And of course, working with our partners like Red State Reform to actually defeat it.

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And that comes with lots of volunteer work. You know, the church working hard to put signs out and notify the public about the truth of this measure and really give our best punch in defeating it.

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And on top of that, of course, we have bills in numerous states that we're working in right now.

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Kentucky and Ohio, probably the most prominent and the ones that we're involved in most immediately.

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Pastor Jeff is at the Foundation to Abolish Abortion Conference with Bradley Pierce and some kindred spirits out there to teach and preach and raise up believers to combat this issue.

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So, a few things. Yeah. We keep mentioning it, but we'll probably be in 22 states this next year, which is exciting.

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So we'll be looking for that information as we find out more once we get through this election, which is going to be funsies.

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It's shaping up to be everything we expected and probably more of what we have no idea what's going to happen.

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So, yeah, we're kind of neck deep. You've been doing a lot with this Prop 139.

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Yeah. Vote no on Prop 139. Drop cards everywhere. Yeah. Thousands and thousands of drop cards. We're doing our yard signs, but we can't keep our yard signs up, huh?

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They keep getting jacked. Stolen. Yeah. I was doing the math. I think we're probably like about 10 % of our signs are getting knocked down or stolen.

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Maybe more than that. Maybe more than that. At least that. I caught a dude this week. That was fun. Taking one of yours? Full commando.

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Got a ghillie suit and was hiding in the bush. No, I didn't do that. I literally just put it, because there's one corner.

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You know our corner. Yeah, yeah. Which one? Baseline. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the big one. That sign keeps getting jacked or knocked down.

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I saw it this morning on the way. Yeah, it's because I caught the dude. Oh, yeah. I put it up, and I was only out there an hour, and this guy walks by and kicks it over.

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I jump out with my phone and was questioning him, and he wouldn't tell me his name.

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I followed him for half a mile to his apartment. Maybe I lost him. Help people understand what's on that sign.

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It's basically this. If you can see it. Put that in perspective, living in the culture of death right now.

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What our society thinks of the most innocent and most defenseless and most helpless human beings.

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That, in a nutshell, is more or less where we are right now, and why this culture so desperately needs the message of Christ and the gospel.

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Yeah, so I noticed the dude was wearing a shirt where he works. I won't say it where it is. So I called, talked to his boss.

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Starbucks? No, it wasn't Starbucks. Good guess. And the boss was not happy.

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I'll just say that. Okay. I haven't heard anything since then, but anyways. So before we get too far into this,

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I want to thank Ion Lear. Are you wearing yours today? I started wearing mine somewhere maybe where you can't see.

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But it's working good, yeah. Yeah. Because it's like, you know, there's a little more fatty there. I was going to ask, but I didn't want to make it weird.

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They say if you have more tissue in a certain area, you should stick it there. Yeah. I don't know if I was getting the full benefits on my arm.

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I've been told I have thick skin, literally and figuratively. I'd say that's accurate.

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So anyways, we love Ion Lear. You can go to ionlear .com, put apology in the coupon code and get a sweet discount.

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That's for your NAD patches. We talk about it a lot, so I won't spend a lot of time on that. But let's just get right into it here, and then we'll get some more sponsors later.

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But I'm excited to have these guys on today. This is a new sponsorship partnership we're working with,

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Hold the Line Training System. So I'm going to let them introduce themselves here in a minute.

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But two of them are two of the SEALs that we are representing, that we met in Virginia Beach. We were representing with Stainless Warriors and gotten to know them really, really well.

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And they're great dudes. Actually, Ace has been on before. He had the star role in SEALs Beat Biden.

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He was the main character. And so excited to be partnering with them.

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So guys, I'll let you come on, introduce yourselves, and tell us about what you're up to. And we'll go from there.

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I don't care who goes first. There's three of them. I'll go first. Hey, guys.

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Thanks for the early introduction, Luke. But, yeah, Ace and Miller, I was in the

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Navy for a few years, got out, made a little documentary, spoke to you guys before in the past, and then partnered with Danny and Colby.

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And we have launched HSEAL training systems to provide comprehensive physical preparedness to everybody, from first responders, military, down to your everyday working mom and dad.

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And so we're happy to be here to talk to you guys about that today. Thanks, dude. Hey, Dan, you want to say hi?

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Big Dan. Hey, I'm Danny O 'Neal. Most people call me Big Dan. Grew up just outside of Philly.

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Multisport athlete my whole life. Played division one college baseball at Stephen F. Austin University.

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Had a dream growing up to play a professional sport, and that's when I got into, I guess, sports performance training and, like, the science behind fitness and programming and all that.

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And then I didn't go and play professional baseball or anything, so then joined the

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Navy thereafter, and I was there for six years in that process. Met y 'all and glad, happy about the relationship we developed with you guys and got with Ace and Colby and some other guys, and we decided to go with this business because we've been living and breathing it for 15 years.

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Nice. And Colby, you want to introduce yourself, bro? Yeah, yeah, sure.

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Quick intro for me. So right out of high school, I didn't really know what I wanted to do, so I got my associate's degree, and then

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I immediately started working as a personal trainer. So I was around 21 years old.

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Had multiple clients. Time progressed. I opened up my own gym and then met my wife, went back to school, got my bachelor's degree in biology, and then

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I started working as a paramedic in a pre -hospital 911 system.

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Did that for a little while, met some people, got into some tactical medicine, was an instructor for a company out of Georgia as a tactical emergency consultant, and then also worked on a

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SWAT team as well in Georgia as a tactical medic for them for about a year. And then because of my wife's job, also during that time in Georgia through my brother, is when

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I met Danny and Asa. And initially, you know, we weren't business partners. We were just friends. We would train together, hang out together, you know, do all the things.

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And then through my wife's job, I got moved up here to Ohio temporarily. And up here,

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I currently had to get all my licenses up here transferred over, and now I currently work in the emergency room part -time, and I also work for a hospital's critical care transport team where we use multiple modes like rotor wing, fixed wing, ground transport to just take super sick patients back to our facility.

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So that's my background. That's what I'm currently doing. Right on. By the way,

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Danny, tell Kylie I said hi. I started walking around when you were talking. So, yeah, tell us about your program here, and then

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I'll kind of fill in where I like some stuff that we had talked about on the phone, but let us know, like, what you guys are up to.

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What is this about? Yeah, so I'll give you guys kind of a brief overview of the history of how it came to happen.

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But essentially, me and, you know, everyone's kind of given their bio. We've always worked out and such, but then me and Danny and a couple of our good buddies in SEAL teams, we kind of noticed as we became friends and were training through the program we got to our team, we noticed a lot of guys dealing with injuries, basic injuries that everyone deals with, lower back pain, knee pain, and a lot of guys who would kind of prioritize one type of training over another.

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So some guys would prioritize running. You know, that's all they'd do. Some guys prioritized strength and would, you know, try and, you know, deadlift as much as they could.

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But we noticed, and the way we trained was kind of trying to be the jack of all trades, training all the bodies, you know, energy systems, strength, endurance, cardio, all these different things in what we call functional fitness.

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And so as we got to know each other, we kind of combined all our different methodologies and combined experiences.

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And as our time in the Navy came to an end, me and Danny and a couple of our friends, including

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Colby's brother and then Colby, who we'd gotten to know really well, we were like, hey, let's instead of kind of trying to do our own thing and then point, you know, our buddies, ones and twosies towards, you know, different programs, let's just create our own program that addresses not only running and strength, but health, longevity, mobility, and put together a comprehensive package for our buddies in the first responder community and the military community to give them something that they can do to keep their bodies capable of doing, you know, working all day and still being healthy.

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So that's how HTL Hold the Line Training Systems kind of, that's our origin story. And then as I mentioned, me and Danny started transitioning out.

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We met up with you guys, which was just a total God thing. And that's the whole story in its own right.

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But as we met you guys, we kind of were introduced to this new segment of society, if you will, kind of the

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Christian community outside the military who are really looking to build the kingdom.

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And they want to be the best mom and dad they can be. They want to be the best protector, provider they can be. They want to be the best worker they can be.

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But something that's kind of fallen through the cracks is basic nutrition and, you know, strength and conditioning, which not only is going to make you, you know, a more athletic person, but it's going to keep you performing in your job longer and at higher levels.

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It's going to keep you being able to hang out with your children and, you know, get down on your hands and knees, play with your grandkids longer in life.

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And so we saw this next community that we really want to help and we really want to kind of prepare to face the challenges of life.

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You guys kind of already touched on the abortion issues we have in this upcoming election, and there's a lot of uncertainty in the world.

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And so we saw this gap not only in our communities in the first responder and military realm, but we also saw this gap outside, especially in, you know, the

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Christian community of people who are really concerned about the world and building a better world for their children.

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And we saw a gap in the physical preparedness. And that manifests itself in all areas of life.

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And so we really wanted to reach in and touch that. So we took our original programming and we've broadened it while keeping the potency and the consistency of quality.

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And we've created essentially a four -track system where we have super kind of high -skill functional fitness training in one of our tracks, and then we scale it down to the beginner or someone who's on the road traveling.

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You guys go to, you know, you mentioned Jeff's in Texas right now. Someone's on the road all the time. Maybe they don't have equipment like a gym.

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So we have a bodyweight track and kind of everything in between. And so our goal is to just kind of be the one -stop shop for everybody wherever you're at in life, whether you're in the military or whether you're a stay -at -home mom.

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We want to be able to give you, kind of take the thinking out of working out and building that consistent lifestyle so that you can live a long and prosperous life for yourself and your kids and for the kingdom.

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So that's kind of our overarching theme. That's kind of our origin story. And we love to jump into some of the specifics.

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And Danny and Colby's expertise in designing the programming and such.

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Yeah, I appreciate that, bro. Yeah, let's just jump right into that so our listeners understand exactly how this works.

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Danny, you want to? Oh, go ahead, Danny. Sorry, whoever. You want to talk about the app?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the way we give it to you guys on a real kind of the technical side of things or the application of it, you go to htltrainingsystems .com

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is our website. You can also find us on Instagram at htl .trainingsystems.

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And once you get to the website, you'll sign up. And we have a three -week trial so you guys can really get a taste of what we have.

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But then once you get in there, I mentioned we kind of have those multiple tracks. And we offer it broken up into two purchasable sections.

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So we have our comprehensive, which is going to have that top -of -the -line kind of high -skill functional fitness all the way down to our beginner or busy traveler bodyweight track.

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And that's what we call comprehensive. And then we also have our minimalist track, which is going to cut down on some of that higher -end stuff and focus on the bodyweight minimalist equipment.

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And we call that our minimalist track. And you can subscribe to it. It'll send you an email. You'll download an app.

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And then once you have that app, it's as simple as just clicking on it every day. And it'll be essentially an on -your -screen whiteboard.

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And it just shows you the real simple what you have for that day. It'll have a warm -up, a little strength piece, and a little workout.

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And we have a bunch of videos embedded of Danny and his wife, Kylie, who's a doctor of physical therapy, explaining the movements, showing you how to do it.

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And we have little notes in there encouraging you, telling you how to do proper form and such. And then, like I said, every day once you're signed up, you just open the app, and it's got it right there for you.

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You don't have to think about it. You don't have to wonder what you should do, what body part to hit, what muscle group. We have it programmed out for you every single day, six days a week out of seven.

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Got it. Love it. Yeah, and we had a Zoom call probably three weeks ago maybe.

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And some of the things I really appreciated about this that I was excited about was, like Asa mentioned, for guys like us who have crazy, busy schedules or travel a lot,

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I like that if you miss a day, you just pick back up the next day.

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You can hit it. And then the other thing that I really like, too, that you guys are able to – and I don't want you guys to talk about this, but how you're able to kind of personalize it for people.

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So if there's an injury or something's not working, a certain exercise isn't working or whatever, you guys are able to kind of tweak it to personalize it for each of the users.

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Yeah. So we try and provide as much flexibility as possible in the programming. So like Asa said, we just had a fifth track two weeks ago.

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We called it Body Armor for like bodybuilding, just general strength and conditioning. So to break down the different tracks,

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FIT stands for fully integrated training, so it includes all the high school movements, gymnastics, and Olympic lifting.

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And so it's for people who want to get after it, have experience in the functional fitness realm, or they like learning new skills.

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And then that's kind of the top one. And then right below it is Gaborum, which is geared towards military first responders.

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And then dads and moms, you have access to fully outfitted fitness facilities.

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And it's more, it's, there's no. Sorry. Okay.

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So there's less, it requires less skill. So we're not going to be making you do overhead squats, snatching, squat snatching, handstand walks, or anything like that.

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So it's just geared towards grunt work and work capacity. So what we're trying to achieve is just the ability to endure uncertainty.

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So Colby can get into this later, but we're trying to prepare you for every energy system that you could possibly need in your daily life.

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And then so below Gaborum is the minimalist track. So we kind of base it off of hotel equipment, like a hotel gym level equipment where you just need dumbbells, a jump rope, and a pull -up bar.

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And that's the extent of the minimalist track. And so we take the programming and we condense it into, to where you can use it with minimal equipment.

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And then, so you just go on the app and it takes the thought out of it. So you don't have to worry about substituting, substituting a barbell movement for a dumbbell movement.

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And what, what you think we would want you to do, it's all laid out in the app. And then below that is the body weight track.

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Like I said, touched on for no equipment at all. You can do it anywhere and same stimulus and requirements is just 20 or 30 minutes a day.

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And then, and then the body armor track, we add it to both packages. So you can get the bodybuilding track in the comprehensive package and the minimalist package.

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And it's just something you can add on to one of the other programs. If you want to do some extra strength or bodybuilding, and then you can just play around.

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So we try and give you as many options as possible. Awesome. And then, and then when it comes to injuries, we have a substitution scaling document to where if there's a specific movement that you can't do, that's bothering you, you can go into the, or you don't have the skill level to do it yet.

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You can go in and it'll tell you what to substitute. So if there's five power cleans with a barbell, say you're doing the caborum track, it's five power cleans with a barbell.

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It'll go, you can go in to the substitution scaling documents, find power cleans, and have substitutions where you can get the same stimulus and do it and provide that that'll provide the same movement pattern.

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And then we'll also have, so if you do like have an injury or questions, we prefer that you reach out to us a day in advance to just ask general questions.

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If you have questions on with injuries or anything like that, and then we're going to try and beef up our

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YouTube channel with videos with my wife providing common injury protocols.

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So right now we have shoulder and back and neck injuries on YouTube right now, but hopefully we're trying to increase the content on YouTube to provide a more comprehensive advice on injuries.

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Awesome. Colby, I, I love the guy, your guys' kind of tagline. I want to hear your explanation of why you guys thought of that and kind of just the thought process behind that.

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About holding the line? Yeah. The, the, yeah, your kind of tagline was and forgive me because I just blanked on what it is, but you, when we talked, when we called or we had the call, you were, yes.

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Today and serve others tomorrow. Yes. That's it. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely.

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I'll, I'll touch on that. But I do just want to go back for just a second. And cause I know a lot of the listeners may not really know us very well.

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And we're not just like some random guys who decided to write workouts all of a sudden for some people.

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So basically like, you know, and I know Danny can agree with me on this, like the last decade of my life, cause fitness has always been something that I've prioritized in my life.

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I've had people like ranging from my brother -in -law to a coworker or somebody that I go to church with, or just a neighbor that are always like,

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Hey man, you know, like start talking about fitness. And I ended up writing them like a cycle, like a 10 week program just from scratch like on my notepad.

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And I've done this probably like 30 to 50 times over the last 10 years.

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Right. Not only that, but like my own personal training with my brother and other friends.

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So it's essentially 10 years of, I don't want to say mistakes, but reps. Right. So, and that's from somebody who is a family member who's never done a pushup to guys that I've written cycles for to help prep them for a

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SWAT team tryout. Right. So, and everything in between. And we talk about this a lot, especially like how

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Danny was talking about our different tracks and like how you can play around with it. And I know you were talking about how, you know, you guys are super busy, right?

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Right. We get that, you know, like everybody is. And that's kind of one of the things on the reason why we decided to create this was because every week, at least for me,

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I know this is anecdotal, but I try to create a ceiling in a basement for that week. Right. So I look,

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I look at my week, what's my work schedule? What are my kids events? Right. Like, what does my wife have me doing? You know, we go into a pumpkin patch on Saturday, like, you know, like whatever it is.

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And I say like, what's the minimum for that day? And it may be a 30 minute body weight workout, which we provide or it may be ham off the day.

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You know, the kids are in school. I've got a couple more hours, you know, I can branch in and do the fit track. It's a little bit more, you know, time involved.

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You're going to have to do more stretching and preparing, et cetera. So, and all of those are based off the exact same stimulus.

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So it doesn't matter which one you do every day is going to, it's going to come back to whatever that stimulus stimulus was for that day.

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Um, and so when it comes to our like programming model per se, it's not just, we're not just throwing random workouts up every week.

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So essentially what we do is we sit down, Dan and I, right. And he says, well, and we say, uh, whether it's 12 weeks, 18 weeks, eight weeks, and we create this huge, like mess of cycle.

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We say, what are things that we want to put in here that we think people need to get better at. Right. So whether that's, you know, squatting or pressing or whatever, and we, we lay out these cycles, and then we add on, uh, on a, on a weekly continuum.

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And we say, we want to keep these people injury free. We want to make sure that they're generally physically prepared for whatever's going to happen in their life.

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Right. Whether you're on a first responder team at church and there's an active shooter, or you have to pick your grandson off, up off the slide.

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Right. Either way, you're ready to rock. Okay. That's our goal. So you're going to do things from a two minute workout to a 45 minute workout.

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We're going to make sure that you're pulling, you're pushing, you're hinging, you're squatting that we have. We're, we're hitting every possible range of motion and energy system throughout the course of a week to keep people not only injury free, but also prepared.

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Right. Lastly, and probably the most important thing that I want to touch on is people are going to ask themselves why, like, why us, why choose us?

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Right. So that's, that's a very, very, very good question. And I have the easy answer. And the reason why is because we fill a gap that nobody else really does.

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So first and foremost, we're all believers. Right. And we root everything in that. And that's our objective standard.

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We believe that being physically fit is something that every single person on earth should do.

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It's free. It, you know, it costs nothing to go outside and run do these things. So we, a lot of people go to the gym and they look for programming for vanity or, you know, they want to have a six pack or they just want to go and like, hang out and do some reps.

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Whereas we kind of filled this middle ground where it's like, we're not doing this because we care about how we look.

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We're more importantly doing this to increase on, on the job performance and everyday function.

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Right. So let's say you have a firefighter or a police officer or whoever they're like, I want to get better at my job.

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Right. Well, what we can guarantee is that if you do our programming, that's going to increase your on the job performance.

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If that makes sense. Right. We also believe that, uh, unfortunately doing hard things as part of this.

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Right. Yeah. And it's, it's, it's just that simple. And I think that when you do something hard physically, it allows for everything you

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L everything else that you do in that day or in that week to be easy. Right.

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If that makes sense. So we do things that are a little unconventional that aren't like other programs and Danny and Asa can talk on this as well.

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And that's where we kind of pull from their background. Things like longer, like rocking pieces. We do rocking cycles.

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We mix in a mix of like my training with theirs. And then we get this end product, which is hold the line training systems.

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And it can be anybody 17 to 70, no matter what your goals are. We have a, uh, a program for you.

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Love it. Love it, man. I appreciate that. Um, yeah.

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Do you got any questions, Zach or Zach? Okay. Um, yeah, I appreciate that.

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So, um, so with our partnership with these guys, um, you can go to HTL training systems .com

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and put apology of five in the coupon code and you'll get 5 % off your subscription and cause they're so awesome.

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They're going to match 5 % and abortion now to help us save babies. So excited for that. And, um, yeah, it's like if, if our, any, anybody listening hasn't seen,

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I just started the, my new show called yesterday was easy two episodes in. And, and so you'll be hearing more about, um, hold the line with, with yesterday was easy because it just, it goes in, it kind of works perfectly with, with that show and just the idea of training up men.

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And I love that this isn't just for men. This, like you said, you're, you know, we got a lot of homeschool moms that listened to, um, apology of that, uh, you know, struggle to find time to do minimal exercising like you're talking about, but want to.

33:36

And so I'm excited for this, but, um, uh, okay, well let's, let's switch topics in unless there's anything else you guys want to add to this conversation.

33:47

Okay. So I'll go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. So tack on what

33:52

Colby was saying. So with my, like with my experience, I have a bachelor's in kinesiology, human performance, and a lot of what

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I learned was just through experience and experimentation. It's something me, Colby, Asa, and our other buddies take seriously is the amount of time we've put in to figure out what works and what doesn't.

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So I usually tell people that I've been over training for 15 years and it's so we do that because one, we love it, but also, so you don't have to make the mistakes we did.

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So the final product you get has been refined by the guys who have the experience and who have the desire to still learn more about what like fitness and physical capability and preparedness.

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And it comes down to where the first responder police officer can benefit from it.

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And then we also, we have homeschool models following the track, following the minimalist and the bodyweight tracks and they love it.

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So it's just, we're trying to branch out and cover down where we see the gaps.

34:51

Yeah. Awesome. That's great, man. Yeah. So let's go ahead and switch topics a little bit then.

34:58

So as I mentioned, if you guys have been listening to us for the last four years or so, you know that we've been blessed to have met some of these seals and been working with them.

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And so like I said at the beginning, Danny and Asa were, were two of the seals we met in Virginia beach on that famous day.

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We talk about all the time and just been super blessed by them and grateful for them. But so, so I, I guess

35:26

I wanted to just Danny, since you're on right now, we'll start with you. Like let let her let her listeners know like kind of your story you know, with the seals and why you got out and kind of that, that fight you had and then

35:39

I'll switch over and have Asa do the same. So I got out over the vaccine when rumors started coming up that they're going to mandate it.

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I started looking into it early on and something wasn't feeling right about it.

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And then come to find out a lot of other guys felt the same way about it.

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And it kind of kept getting more and more aggressive the way in which they were pushing it on us.

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And it came to the point where Asa and I were sidelined for over a year from our jobs.

36:15

And I mean, and that's what pushed me out. And you ended up getting just pulling your religious exemption, correct?

36:22

Yeah. So when they off, so when the judge, cause at this point I've already been sidelined for almost a year.

36:28

And I was like, at, at this point they'd keep telling us we're going to get rerated.

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We're going to have to do this and that and the other. And I was like, well, if I can't go back to the job that I signed up for, then

36:38

I'll move on. So kind of found out Kyler is pregnant actually the week after the judge allowed you to rescind the exemption.

36:48

And I ended up getting out five months later. And that was, uh, did you get out before your contract was up or was that the end of your contract?

36:59

I got out before my contract was up. And so they let you out honorably, no issues there.

37:05

Well, they made you pay back your signing bonus, correct? Yeah. I had to pay back. I had to pay back some money and I got some negative remarks in my final pay work, but that all got, that was all fixed.

37:17

Yeah. Um, and so are you still, is that lawsuit still going on to get, to get your, that money back or what's the status of that?

37:26

Yes. Uh, it's at military backpay .com. Uh, the lawsuit is ongoing.

37:31

They have three separate ones that are still in the works and before the judges and, uh, yeah, they're still ongoing.

37:41

So there's still a possibility there. Okay. Um, so we'll, we'll get into the why this is so treacherous here in a little bit.

37:48

I just wanted to kind of hear your background. And so you, um, you joined the Navy just to become a SEAL. Was that your goal?

37:55

Yes. Right on. And so, uh, you said six years, what, um, which budget class were you?

38:02

Three 28. Uh, all right. So your turn. Yeah.

38:08

So a lot of my story comes out and, uh, a documentary we did last year called

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SEALs beat Biden. Um, so if anyone wants to learn more and we don't talk specifically about Danny, just because we're trying to keep, you know, guys who are still active or, you know, weren't part of the process, kind of keep their, keep their names quiet.

38:27

But, uh, it tells a lot of the story that me and him went through. It's called SEALs beat Biden, but essentially, yeah,

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I got out of high school in 2016 and wasn't quite sure what

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I wanted to do. Um, I liked the direction the country was going at that point and I knew I wanted to serve like my dad did.

38:45

He was in 27 years in the Marine Corps. So I signed up, uh, went to buds, um, right away was also in class three, two, eight, and then ultimately graduated in three, two, nine, um, due to some family issues that came up.

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But yeah, uh, just like him, you know, we had been on our first deployment and it was kind of at the tail end of COVID or what everyone thought would be the tail end of COVID.

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And then all of a sudden these vaccines came out and they were like, you're not going home if, if you don't get vaccinated.

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And I'm like, well, what do you mean? I've just been in Africa for six months with people who don't have showers. Like I think

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I'm okay from, from COVID. Um, and yeah, and yet they were, they were trying to throw at us, you know, threaten us not, you know, that we wouldn't be able to come home.

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And so I was like, okay, I need to look into this. Um, started doing some research. Danny was a huge resource.

39:35

He's, he's brilliant and he could read all the medical journals that I had no idea what it was saying. Um, we kind of banded together by God's grace, a group of 21 solid guys at my team.

39:48

Um, and there's a lot more guys spread out across the community and over 250 ,000 across the military in general.

39:55

Um, and yeah, we, we, we figured out with you guys, you met with you guys, we figured out the best way to fight this.

40:01

Um, some people filed religious exemptions. I challenged the order outright. I just said, this is an unlawful order and kind of took my own path.

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Not because I didn't have religious differences or, you know, it didn't, it didn't conflict, but I just didn't even think

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I needed to put one in because it was just wrong. Um, and so, yeah, me and him were in the same, same boat.

40:21

We fought for 18 months and I signed paperwork in 2021, November saying that they were going to kick me out in 10 days.

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And then I basically sat there for another 18 months waiting to get kicked out until my contract expired.

40:38

Um, and uh, yeah, I got out and decided I wanted to keep fighting this from the outside instead of trying to stay in and, and fight from the inside.

40:47

Yeah. Yeah. What were you doing for 18 months? Uh, more or less nothing.

40:53

We, we would go through phases. There was a short period where we kind of got sent to different commands.

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Um, a couple of us did, and then we got put on parking lot duty. So we had to pick weeds in the parking lot and trim hedges.

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And then, and then they just straight up told us, well, they just stopped communicating with us.

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Essentially. We stopped getting any communication for six months. We had nowhere, we had no command.

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We had no chain of command. No one, you know, told us to come in muster. No one gave us tasks even though we'd been asking, um, to still help our team prepare for their upcoming deployment.

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So for six months we did nothing. Um, and then they finally realized that was a huge mistake and that all of the, all the leadership who allowed that to happen could be in huge trouble.

41:37

Um, so they called us back in and we essentially would come in for 10, 15 minutes, ask if we could do anything.

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And they'd say like, well, no, we got you on our muster sheet. So get out of here. We don't, you know, you're a risk to us.

41:49

You're, you're endangering the lives of your fellow service members. And so we, we really did nothing for 18 months, which is unbelievable, um, that you would have some of the highest skilled, highest trained members of the military doing nothing for 18 months.

42:04

And they took all your gear as well, right? Yeah. Everyone was more or less required to turn in all their gear.

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We had no guns. So even though we weren't, you know, even though we weren't given tasks to, to come in and work on a daily basis, even if we wanted to, um, which we did to come in and train, go to the range, shoot, keep our skills sharp.

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They took all that away from us. So we couldn't even train, um, in an, in an official capacity.

42:29

Right. Um, did they try to get you to reenlist at all or you were just, you were done.

42:35

So at the very end in, uh, 20, I believe it was the spring of 23, maybe

42:42

January, the national defense authorization act, um, Congress was able to get enough votes to rescind the mandate, um, which essentially just said, you know, they washed their hands of it and said,

42:55

Oh, none of this ever happened. Just go back to work. Um, at that point I had like two months left on my contract.

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So, um, theoretically I could have extended and stayed in the military, but it wasn't worth it to me at the time.

43:08

And you did six years as well. Correct. Yep. So you guys were in the same buds class originally.

43:13

Is that what you said? Yeah. Three, two, eight. That's funny. Uh, I didn't realize that. Um, I was, I was three, two,

43:20

I was before Asa and I got real post hell week and then, and then

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Asa joined up with me. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Um, that's crazy. And so you guys were in the same platoon as well.

43:32

Obviously you were both the same team, but no, you weren't the same platoon. Same team. Okay. Gotcha.

43:38

Yeah. But you were both on deployment together. Same time, different locations. Gotcha. Gotcha.

43:44

Um, all right on. So, um, so why did you guys, and this was what blessed us so much and was an encouragement to us.

43:54

Like why, why did you guys feel the need to fight the, this so much to fight the mandate?

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I'll say for me, I mean, at first it was just, it was wrong.

44:12

It was wrong. It was wrong. And in the early 21, I wasn't a Christian at that point.

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So it was, there was no conviction there. And then that's when I got to know Trey and Trey came up to visit the guys who you'd all know and y 'all met at the conference.

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And then that's when I got to meet Trey and preach the gospel to me and my wife and stayed up all night and studied.

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And it was at that moment that I fell on my face and then, and then I learned why it was wrong.

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And it was cause Christ is King and he's, he's on the throne and we don't, and Christians don't believe lies.

44:49

And at that point I knew why, but before that it was like, it was because I knew it was wrong, but I know I knew it, but I didn't know really know why it was wrong.

44:57

That's crazy. What, uh, what part of 21 was that when you met

45:03

Trey? Summer of 21. So I met you right after that, like September, right? Yeah.

45:08

That's crazy. Um, good old fishbone. So Danny's at Pastor Trey's church now in Louisiana and, and uh, doing some full -time ministry pretty much now, right?

45:19

Or heading that direction. I got it. I got a taste of full -time ministry, but I just graduated seminary with a degree in a

45:29

Christian class. Classical studies, a master's degree. And we started a Christian classical school through the church.

45:35

So I'm teaching there and helping run that. Yeah. That's so awesome. Yeah, that's great. Um, so Asa, let me hear your take on that.

45:43

Like why, you know, so you can talk about your background. You were raised in a Christian home and stuff.

45:48

So like what was your reasoning for fighting this, um, unlawful order? Essentially it came to common sense at the beginning.

45:59

Um, I was raised in a Christian family. I feel like I had, um, yeah,

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I had the values that Christ is King instilled in me early and I have always, my dad was, uh, uh, uh, not only a common sense person, but he also, um, instilled in me a, uh, healthy dose,

46:18

I think of concern about government tyranny, um, especially with the, you know, kind of Ron Paul era of, of politics.

46:26

And so when I saw the shutdowns happening, I remember I was, I was driving a bunch of gear from the

46:32

West coast back to the East coast when the shutdowns happened and, you know, we left the

46:37

West coast location, drove for three or four days and I, I drove into, you know, our, our town on the, on the

46:45

East coast and everything was just a ghost town. And it was the middle of the, you know, fall, like kind of a busy shopping season.

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And I just remembered like even Chick -fil -A was closed and it wasn't Sunday. And I was like, what in the world is going on?

46:58

The world is, you know, zombie apocalypse. And so, you know, I like to claim that, you know,

47:03

I never got duped by COVID. And, uh, I, so from that, from that very early point

47:09

I knew like, okay, something's weird. Um, I didn't know exactly what, but so we, I started, I kind of had my, you know, nose to the wind early and, you know, went through COVID saying, this is silly mass.

47:20

That doesn't make any sense. We know if we're training for some type of biohazard at work, you're not wearing a cloth, you know, a cloth diaper on your face.

47:29

So I knew something was, was not right. And then we go to Somalia and I'm there for six months with, you know, great people, but not clean people.

47:38

We got no vaccines, no medicine, and we're completely healthy. And then I'm trying to go home. We got guys trying to go home for family to see their family, you know, kids about to be born and an outbreak happened of COVID, right?

47:51

Somebody tested positive and everybody got shut into solitary confinement.

47:57

Um, and we talk about this a little bit in Seals Beat Biden, but you know, all these guys are put into solitary confinement.

48:04

They're given like one boiled egg, two sausages to eat for breakfast. And you know, everyone's freaking out.

48:10

And I, you know, I personally know the guy he's one of my best friends who had COVID and he, you know, he had the sniffles for like one day and took a nap and he was good.

48:18

And so then after that, they're saying, you know, because of this outbreak, this is so dangerous, you know, you need to go get this brand new vaccine and, um, to get home.

48:27

And so I was just immediately like, okay, first off, you can't force me to get an experimental vaccine.

48:34

Everyone knew it was an experiment at that point. Um, and I knew from the whole time COVID was at best overblown, if not a scam.

48:43

And then as I start to dig into these experimental vaccines, you find out, Oh, a lot of these are a brand new technology that alters your human, you know, genome.

48:54

Oh. And also they have either were developed being tested on aborted fetal cells or actually, you know, may contain aborted fetal cells.

49:02

So that's an immediate nonstop for me. I don't care if it cured cancer. I'm not putting aborted fetal cells in my body, um, or using a product that was developed with it.

49:11

If, um, and so, and so that's where it really started for me. And then, you know, it used to spiral. The mandate started coming out and I knew the government has no right to tell me what to do with my body.

49:21

I'm an American citizen. I'm free, man. I'm a believer. Um, I don't, I don't bow the knee to any other man.

49:28

So that's kind of a long winded explanation of why I refused. Yeah, no,

49:34

I appreciate that a ton. And, um, again, that's what was so encouraging to us. It was just, um, you know,

49:41

Jeff and I go out there thinking like, man, we were like, we were feeling the weight of like, we got, how are we going to encourage these guys?

49:47

You know, how are we going to help them fight? And, uh, you guys like inspired us and encourage us.

49:53

Cause you were like, no, no king but Christ. Like this is tyranny. Um, you know, we talked a lot about Lex Rex, the law is king and, um, and you know, unlawful orders and all that.

50:03

And it was just super, super encouraging. It's definitely changed my life and I know Zach's for sure.

50:08

And I can't speak for you, but I'm sure it's affected you in some way. Yeah.

50:14

I think courage is contagious no matter where you see it. And I think, especially for men that are charged with such a vital service to the safety and health of our nation, exhibiting the kind of courage that you would expect from men in that position is encouraging.

50:33

You know, it, it emboldens you to know that, um, there are men who are not willing in the office that God has given them to become merely implementation centers for the will of the state.

50:49

So, and that seemingly I think is what happened during the COVID period. Yeah. It's like you have power, which happens in any centralized form of government being exercised apart from the rule of law tyrannically.

51:04

And that coercive nature of the state that God has given to the state becomes cruel because they're not operating on the basis of law.

51:13

They're operating on the basis of their own self will as their own self qualified social planners.

51:20

And so they issued the decrees from on high that go into all these various areas of life. And then you have our major institutions saying, yes, we will take those decrees and we will distribute and implement them under everyone or on everyone under our jurisdiction and we'll follow suit.

51:38

Um, that is the definition of totalitarianism because in totalitarianism, the state treats all of those lesser authorities in a parts to whole fashion.

51:48

They just become part of the overarching authority of the state to implement those, uh, measures of injustice.

51:56

And so this power that's concentrated and centralized in, you know, this group, um, leads to the erosion of individual liberties.

52:07

Yeah. As you just heard, those things are not really in existence for a state that is bent on implementing what it desires, which is why the answer for tyranny is not autonomy.

52:21

It's theonomy. Amen. It's God's law, uh, not the law of self, which, um, you know, is really totalitarianism and, and tyranny is really the outworking of autonomy on stilts, right?

52:35

This is self law. We operate on the basis of our own authority. We don't recognize an authority above us that, that tells us what to do.

52:43

You said Lex Rex, right? The law is king. We're in charge. We operate apart from accountability and all the built in checks and balances that made our nation what it is, right?

52:53

It's a nation of laws, uh, where we answer to the constitution where we answer to God almighty ultimately.

53:00

But when the state decides to become God and issue decrees, then you have the loss of freedom.

53:06

They're just issuing these positive law commands and saying, this is for the good of everybody. It's for the good of the health of the nation.

53:12

And then what can they do really anything that they want, because it's about the public health and safety of the nation.

53:19

So we can criminalize any activity we want, including you who won't fall in line and take this experimental shots.

53:27

You are now labeled a threat and a danger to everybody else. And really the only way to combat that is to be able to hold the state and those, uh, calling their own shots accountable.

53:38

In order to do that, you have to have a standard that exists outside of everybody. Exactly. Um, yeah, that's excellent.

53:45

Um, so obviously again, if you're new to this conversation, we started staying with warriors when we met literally a week after we met them.

53:55

Um, and Danny's actually involved. He's on the board now, but, um, and we've had Davis young son a lot is one of my favorite people.

54:02

He's our lawyer on, on staff for seeing what the words, but I want you guys to just talk a minute.

54:07

You can maybe both answer this, um, but let, let our listeners know like how, how staying with warriors helped you guys, how it blessed you.

54:15

Um, why don't we start with Asa and then Danny, I want you to answer that as well, but then talk about your role with the warriors. No, you're good.

54:22

So Asa, go first. Yeah. So originally, um, that, that kind of meeting that we keep referring to where you guys came out and you kind of brought a team together to, to help us and show us a path forward, um, with our resistance.

54:37

Uh, we had a, you know, we kind of had a question put to us where, Hey, like who's, who's willing to, you know, put in a religious exemption, who thinks that this is unconstitutional?

54:49

And, you know, everybody kind of raised their hands. I was one of the guys who just said, I don't want to put in a religious exemption, as I mentioned earlier.

54:54

And so Davis, you know, pulled me aside and was like, look like if you don't put any type of exemption in, you're essentially, you know, opening yourself up to just immediate court martial.

55:04

And, you know, you could be disposed of pretty quickly. And I was like, well,

55:10

I don't know. Like that's, that's what I, that's my conviction. That's, that's where my religious belief forced me to go.

55:17

I don't want to submit myself, my religious perspective to some governing authority who can tell me,

55:22

Oh, you have a sincerely held belief, or you don't. I don't think that's how our constitution is meant to be enforced.

55:29

And so he told me, all right, like, that's fine. I'm going to support you. I'm going to protect you. And we'll figure out the fundraising and such later, essentially, which was stand with warriors.

55:39

And he stuck by me for those 18 months with constantly, like I mentioned, almost immediately after that, that fall signed a letter saying, you know, you're getting kicked out and, you know, he complained against it, sending, you know, his different inquiries and whatnot.

55:53

And he stuck with me for 18 months, free of charge, come what may, eventually, you know, they, they never did court martial me probably because they knew they would, they would lose,

56:02

I imagine. And, and yeah, so he stuck with me to it to this day, you know, we're still, we're still friends.

56:09

So incredible guy, incredible ministry. Um, anyone who can, I encourage to support it because he's still doing good work right now, um, on vaccine related issues.

56:19

Amazingly enough, all these years later. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm going to get into some of that as well. So Danny, let me, let me hear, uh, you answer that question.

56:28

So the byproduct of it was awesome because we didn't know anything about law, military law, lawyers, how to get lawyers or anything, how that works in the military.

56:41

We just knew this was wrong, but we don't know where to go or what to do. And everybody had their own, I guess, perceived method of how to fight it.

56:51

Like, it wasn't just like we're all online. It was some group just doing it in spite of our leadership.

56:58

It was, everybody had a different take on what to do and the route they wanted to go. And the beauty of it was Davis is open to all of it to help us in each and individual on each individual case and each individual situation.

57:13

So it was, it was crucial because it probably would have went really bad if we didn't have

57:19

Davis's counsel and your guys' religious counsel and, uh,

57:25

Fishbone talking to us. And I'll give it a, just a specific instance of how he kind of changed the game for us directly after that meeting, essentially, um, at that moment we were being threatened with, like I said, court -martial being kicked out, dishonorable discharges.

57:42

We're, you know, Danny ended up having to pay back some of his bonus. But at the time we were threatened with paying back our entire training, which,

57:49

I mean, I don't know how you put a cost on that, but way more than I ever made. Yeah. And, and so that's the very real threat that we were facing.

57:56

And he came in and was able to go on Tucker Carlson and kind of broke the story for us because all of us wanted to keep private.

58:06

Cause ultimately at that point, we wanted to stay in the teams and do 20 years and whatnot. So he went on Tucker Carlson, broke the story and instantly the threats started being blunted.

58:16

You know, we still, like I mentioned, didn't do anything for 18 months, but it went from, you're going to pay back while you're training, you're going to get dishonorably discharged to, you know,

58:24

Oh, we're going to pull your, your tridents here. We're going to rewrite you. We'll, you know, maybe we'll give you a, you know, other than honorable.

58:31

So his impact was felt immediately. And then he stuck with it for 18 months.

58:38

Yeah. You know, what's funny is I don't, you know, if you guys even know this, but I, I, I didn't even know who

58:44

Davis was till we got there that day. So Bradley Pierce obviously knows him. And so he invited them.

58:50

And so we, we got there for that meeting and Davis was just like, you guys know, he was just running the show.

58:56

He like has the board and he's writing notes and all that stuff. And we're like, who is this guy? Like, I didn't even know who he was.

59:01

And just from day one, man, Davis was just on it and leading the charge. And I'm so, so grateful for him, but well,

59:08

Danny, so what are you doing now with same with words? What's your role there? So right now on the board and the goal is to provide still legal counsel to Christians in the military who are dealing with backlash still from the

59:22

COVID stuff as ASA brought the eight that Davis is still doing tremendous work in and, and cases across the board.

59:29

And then we're also there in case anything else comes up. So for instance, the Brad Geary case that y 'all have, y 'all have covered on here and Davis has been doing a ton of good work with, and was published and on the

59:41

Sean Ryan podcast. So that's kind of the new front that Santa forage is going. And we're just here kind of on the defensive waiting for something to arise.

59:53

Yeah. And I know you have, you have desires. I know you've been super busy, but eventually kind of get into more, even like a gospel centered role with staying with warriors.

01:00:05

I don't know if you want to talk about that at all, or if that's kind of in the work still. Still in the works, but I can mention it.

01:00:11

So kind of what we, we all came together and talked about once COVID hit, and then we all got into like a

01:00:21

Sunday night Bible study and it continued to grow. And we felt that there was a need in our community for the gospel and for counsel and for, for wisdom to be shared to guys in the military because of the, the job and what the job requires of guys.

01:00:41

And so the goal was to still is to in the near future, hopefully, but to bring you guys with your knowledge and fishbone to these guys on the

01:00:54

East and West coast and other special operations branches to preach the gospel and get into the word and really like show them what biblical masculinity is, what it means to be what

01:01:08

Lex Rex means and what it means to be a father who's away all the time and all that.

01:01:15

So all the different issues and the gaps, I think there's, there is a need there. Awesome, man.

01:01:21

Yeah. And so, you know, some of the stuff we've, we've talked about even at that day and since then is this is why it's so important.

01:01:28

Like stay with the words was great at that time, at that moment for this one specific thing, but it didn't, it's not like this issue started with the

01:01:37

COVID vacs. You guys were experiencing a lot of the woke agenda stuff prior to that. And, and I didn't know that till we met that day.

01:01:45

And I was like, man, this is crazy. And so like, it's not stopping. Right. So when we, after kind of the, the

01:01:52

COVID stuff died down a little bit, we're like, well, this is still needed. We still need this, this group here available to help out, you know, not just seals, but anybody in the military really, that is facing any of this woke stuff, any lawsuits related to that religious stuff like that.

01:02:10

And, you know, here, here we're facing an election here in a few weeks.

01:02:17

And, you know, just to kind of bring it all together, like the seriousness, but just the way this election goes is going to greatly affect the military.

01:02:28

You know, if Kamala wins, like this stuff's just going to ramp up, you know, there's no doubt about that.

01:02:35

And so I'd love to hear, I mean, we haven't talked about this. I'd love to hear your guys' perspective on like just the state of the military in general and, you know, how this election will affect that, the state of things.

01:02:50

Maybe Colby hasn't spoken in a while. Go ahead to whoever, sorry. I'll say, well,

01:02:58

I'll say absolutely. If Kamala wins, I mean, gosh, I can't, I feel terrible for our country and my buddies who are still in the service and, and their strength and courage and conviction and everyone outside, you know, mind you guys is, is going to be there.

01:03:16

Our support for them is going to be needed more than ever because the amount of not only tyrannical mandates that are going to come down things that they're trying to force them to do either to themselves or, you know, to fellow

01:03:28

Americans is, I don't think there's a limit to where Kamala and her, her cronies would, would take things.

01:03:36

So that's kind of an unthinkable thing for me. But I will say with Trump, you know, love him or hate them.

01:03:42

There's, you know, he's a fallen broken man, just like the rest of us. But recently, I think it was last week.

01:03:48

He, he came out and pledged at a town hall from a, while speaking to another former service member who was kicked out due to the woke

01:03:57

DEI, transgenderism crap that we're, we're being forced to, to suffer under.

01:04:04

He made a pledge to him that he would appoint a commission for the

01:04:10

DEI to go through and not only just gut the agenda from the DOD completely, but would also go so far as not only firing current senior leadership who are, who are continuing or perpetuating the

01:04:25

DEI agenda, the woke communism agenda, but he would also recall those who have retired and gone on to cushy gigs at, you know, different defense complex companies.

01:04:36

He would recall them in court, marshal them, which is his, he has the power to do as president.

01:04:42

So, you know, whether you're sitting on the sidelines for this one, or you're not sure who you're voting for yet.

01:04:48

I mean, if you love the military and you support the military and you want it to be there day in, day out to be as lethal and prepared as it can be to defend

01:04:57

Americans and liberty, then vote for Donald Trump. Um, so, um, let me ask you guys this and, and Colby, I know if you're, you're still on,

01:05:10

I want to, I want you to be part of the conversation as well too. I know we, we kind of took a turn there, but, um, like what are some things that you guys saw before you got out?

01:05:21

And you guys only been out about a year ish, right? Both of you around that time. It's not been that much longer than that.

01:05:27

Um, like what are some things that you guys saw, you know, the last several years that the government was doing to kind of erode our, the strength of our military?

01:05:42

And you just say, it started with the vaccine mandate and then just all the different policies and making, forcing morale to be low.

01:05:55

Hmm. But I'll just say, I mean, what, everything ASA brought up and it kind of started with the vaccine.

01:06:03

That's when it kind of woke a lot of people up. Yeah. One thing, something that happened in conjuncture with the vaccine kind of one, two punch while I was again on deployment in 2020, it was within weeks of the administration change.

01:06:20

My whole platoon was sat down and we were mandated to go through a white rage training, um, presentation where we were instructed on how, you know, as white people, we are inherently racist and we have all these prejudices against, you know, black and Brown and homosexuals and whatever else.

01:06:39

And we were at the end of that training, you were supposed to sign a legal document saying that you'd completed this training.

01:06:47

And, you know, you were now educated on your white rage, which general Millie, the former chief of staff of the joint chief of staff, uh, the chairman of it, he, uh, kind of talked about in front of Congress and admitted his own white rage.

01:07:01

And that was something he really wanted to push. So yeah, the mandates were a huge thing, but I mean, it,

01:07:06

I mean, it's immediate. They want transgenderism in the military. They want to circumnavigate federal law and they want to pay for, um, women to go and murder their babies across state lines.

01:07:16

Um, it's kind of, I mean, you pick it, whatever, whatever the cornucopia of wokeism has the military and the senior leadership in the military officer and enlisted is forcing it on everybody.

01:07:32

so the DEI stuff, it sounds like is demoralizing to say the least. Cause it's like, here, here's how much we hate you.

01:07:39

Uh, now you need to understand and be educated on how much you should hate yourself. Um, that, that seems to be the reason it's like, here, hate, hate yourself.

01:07:51

And that's kind of the, that's kind of the name. I mean, you mentioned our tagline, but also the name of our company hold the line training systems.

01:07:58

It's not just physical preparedness, but we want to equip. And that's why we, you know, we're, we're continuing our relationship with you guys stand with warriors.

01:08:06

We want to develop an ecosystem of full, um, full men and women, you know, who are prepared in everything in life to hold the line and build the kingdom.

01:08:18

And you know that our tagline train today, serve others tomorrow is because you never know when you're going to be called upon to be

01:08:25

Johnny on the spot, you know, whether that's saving a kid who's drowning or standing up against government tyrants.

01:08:31

Um, and, and we truly believe that you need to be kind of that whole man concept or whole woman concept.

01:08:37

You have to be prepared in all areas of life. You can't just focus on one thing.

01:08:43

Um, you can be an expert at something, but you better be training the rest of your, your skill sets where we're a physical body and a spiritual body as, as everybody listening knows.

01:08:52

And, um, it's your duty, especially as a Christian and an American to be equipped, to hold the line, um, to train today so that you can serve others tomorrow.

01:09:03

Man, that was a fantastic job of tying everything together. Uh, Zach has a question. Yeah. I was going to say, we have a couple of guys that are near and dear to us that, um, you know, feel very called to join the

01:09:15

Navy and want to be in the team. So given all the negative, you know, your negative experience with how they handled everything, how, you know, what are you saying to the next, you know, generation, or at least maybe not that far into the, into the future, but the up and comer guys who want to invest their whole lives, you know, what would you say to those guys, given your experiences?

01:09:39

I'll say expectation management. It's a term I got from Asa expectation management because this is, because there is still good.

01:09:49

And there's a lot of good guys in the teams. There's a lot of good guys in the team. Some of the best people

01:09:56

America has to offer are there and they need, they need more good guys in the teams. And I mean,

01:10:03

I'm hoping that they would never do what they do with the COVID vaccine again, but I'll just understand where you're getting into because on the one hand, it is an incredible job.

01:10:13

And I think it's a very healthy thing for young men to want to do that. Like that goes in the whole theme of LTVs podcast.

01:10:22

Like do hard things. Like, I think it's a good thing that young men want to do that and they want to strive for that, but just know that it's not going to be all sunshine and rainbows when they graduate the pipeline.

01:10:33

Like it's going to be a fight the entire, the entire time they're right there. And they're, they're going to have a lot of responsibility like as a

01:10:41

Christian, as a believer and as a war fighter, when they go, when, if they go into the teams.

01:10:47

Excellent. Yeah. Unfortunately, you guys were the Guinea pigs when it came to dealing with a situation like this, but for our guys, if they would, you know, need to go through something like this in the future, at least they would have you guys to kind of lean on as far as a, cause you had to teach yourself so much just to be able to navigate through it.

01:11:06

So I'm, I am thankful for that. Right on. Well, we're, we're pretty much out of time here.

01:11:12

So I'll just end on something fun here. So do you guys have, since you were on the, in the same buds class, do you guys have a funny story that you could share with us from buds?

01:11:27

I have a, go ahead. I have a story of when I, when I first met Danny that, that I think is pretty funny.

01:11:34

So essentially I, so I started, as he mentioned, I started in class three to eight. So I went to bootcamp and, you know, got to know all the guys.

01:11:42

We, we go through all the early stages of training together. Danny hadn't, he, he'd been through that part of the process before me.

01:11:50

And he'd made it through hell week and was kind of waiting for a new class to come through my class.

01:11:56

And so my class goes through hell week and, you know, you're all beat up. You can, if you want to like get a good picture of what it's like, you can watch

01:12:04

YouTube buds. Two, three, four is pretty funny. But, you know, you go through hell week, you're all beat up, you're super tired.

01:12:11

You're all scrawny. You kind of can call it skinny fat on your, your head shaved. You got, you know, kind of bloody scabby head from running with boat all for the last month or so.

01:12:21

And, you know, you just kind of feel, you kind of have those like post hell week blues. You're just kind of depressed because your hormones and bodies jacked up.

01:12:30

And so anyway, I say all that to set the stage where whenever you go somewhere in the, in the pipeline, you have to run in, in like formation essentially.

01:12:38

And everybody kind of shuffled along and you're uncomfortable and chafing and cold and wet. And we started coming up this ramp to the pool, to the pool deck.

01:12:48

And they've got these giant fences that are covered. So you can't really see in and you got to go up this fence.

01:12:53

And sometimes they're spraying you with a hose. And so as I come up the ramp, the sun beam kind of like is shining down right by the, right by the pool.

01:13:03

And as I turned the corner, I just see Danny standing there. Cause I think he hadn't officially rolled into our class.

01:13:10

So he was at the pool deck. He had helped set up and was waiting for us. And he's just this six foot 10 at the time.

01:13:19

It seemed like to me, Jack dude, you know, tattoos, rippling six pack.

01:13:25

And I'm roughly, you know, all broken down and sad and miserable. And I just remember looking up and I was just like, what am

01:13:32

I doing wrong? Like I'm in the wrong program. How did I make it through? Like who the heck is this guy?

01:13:38

And right next to him was one of our really good buddies. I didn't know him at the time. And you know, he's like a carbon copy of just a little bit, a little bit smaller.

01:13:47

And anyway, so fast forward a couple months, I got to know both of them and I, and I found out our, you know, our buddy who was standing next to him had been training with Danny this whole time.

01:13:57

And he had like never lifted weights before until he met Danny. And then, you know, he starts training with weights and just turns into Superman 2 .0.

01:14:05

And I was like, all right, I don't know what they're doing, but I need to learn from them. So that's kind of like, then, you know, burnt into my mind is that forever.

01:14:14

I'll remember just kind of being the slinky little broken down, depressed kid, shuffling up the pool deck and just saw this colossus standing there waiting to join the class.

01:14:25

That's hilarious. So Danny, how long did you have in between getting enrolled and joining ASA? Four weeks.

01:14:32

So did you, did you look like that after how weak and you just, or did you just get that, like that during those four weeks?

01:14:43

I, I recovered pretty quick and it started going to the, started going back into the gym shortly after, like once I found out

01:14:52

I was going to get rolled post hell weeks, I got site during hell week, which is the swimmer induced pulmonary edema.

01:14:59

And so I got that during hell week and I got rolled after for it. And so I had some time to recover and like eat and, and train.

01:15:10

But instructors didn't make fun of me a lot for. Hey, but you guys, you guys would say the best thing to do in preparation for buds and even before is not put on a lot of, it's not bodybuild, right?

01:15:22

Cause you don't want to go in too big cause you, you gas fast, right? The bigger that you are, what do you think about that?

01:15:28

This is an argument I'm having with somebody very close to me who wants to go. So I just, I need to hear what you got to say.

01:15:36

It needs to be a, it definitely needs to be a balance. So we actually put together a selection prep program to sell on our website cause

01:15:44

I've, I've helped a lot of, I've helped a lot of guys train up for it. And this is kind of like where programming sparked because I did program for a lot of the guys

01:15:53

I worked with and help them through like fitness and preparation, all that in the pipeline for the pipeline.

01:16:01

And while we were active, it was kind of, I was kind of one of the guys people would go to for that.

01:16:08

And so I would like, there is definitely a balance because you need muscle mass and you need strength to stay healthy the whole time.

01:16:15

Yeah, that's awesome. So this, this individual is 15. When do you think he should get into something like that when it, when it comes to like serious preparation, like coming alongside of you or you coming alongside of him?

01:16:29

I would say ideally at least a year out, like start taking it super serious.

01:16:37

That's all you need. That's all you'd really need. But right now just build the foundation of aerobic capacity and strength.

01:16:44

And then once you get, once you get about a year out when he's 16, 17, he grows a little more into his body.

01:16:50

Then you can try and tailor it towards the pipeline. But right now it's, it'd be more of a jack of all trades approach to try and build the foundation in every aspect of it.

01:17:01

Because that's what, that's what, that's what it's going to ultimately require of you is to be good at everything. Sweet.

01:17:08

Thanks, dude. Right on. Well, I think we're about out of time here. Colby, do you have any closing thoughts, bro?

01:17:14

Sorry. I know we kind of left. Did he leave? Yeah.

01:17:20

I would say I do. Yeah. I knew we were, he was running out of time there, so, but we're grateful for him.

01:17:25

And yeah. So thanks guys. Are you guys both able to stick around for the after show or are you going to take off?

01:17:33

I can hang around. Okay. Okay. Can I close with one more thing? Yes. You see all entitled back in.

01:17:40

Yes. So basically it sparked when we were kind of sidelined and we were just training a lot in the gym and it's an invaluable trait nowadays is the, having the ability to suffer well, mentally and physically.

01:17:55

And it starts with taking care of yourself because we need to be able to take care of ourselves before we can take care of others.

01:18:01

Before we expect people to listen to us to, for like say Christians to lead in the chaos of society, we need to be able to take care of ourselves first.

01:18:12

And it starts with discipline in the word and starts with discipline over yourself and your family.

01:18:17

And that's kind of like, that's kind of the basis for HTL is to create the capacity to endure uncertainty, not on a whim, but to have the capacity to do it at any, at any point in time.

01:18:29

Awesome. That's great. Perfect bro. Thank you for that. So we'll like, we'll end here in a minute and then we'll go over the alpha show.

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01:19:06

I am very, very excited about. And of course you can go to shop.

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01:19:19

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01:19:24

They should be in any day now. And, um, we got, of course, priest of coffee.

01:19:29

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01:19:44

And we'll see how things go after the election. So Jeff and I are leaving on election day to go to Germany, um, to do further and abortion now there.

01:19:56

And so getting there, I think we'll be fine. I'm slightly nervous. We'll see how it is getting back.

01:20:01

We'll see how things go, but, um, uh, anything else we got reform con reform con.

01:20:07

Thank you. I keep forgetting to mention tickets are up, up for sale now.

01:20:12

So you can get your early bird tickets. Uh, that's going to be April 24th, the 26th, um, 25 next next

01:20:20

April. And hopefully, uh, hopefully you'll see Danny there. I know you will. In some capacity, either with Trey or Noel, we'll make you got to get a hold of the lines booth for sure.

01:20:30

Or maybe even stay with the Warriors. He'll be there somehow. I'll be there regardless. And then you'll see why they call him big

01:20:37

Dan. Just say that, uh, Zach, any closing thoughts? That's all. All right. Peace out.

01:20:43

Everyone. We're super grateful for you. And, uh, we'll see you on the after show. All you all accessors.