Video Reactions: Out of Body Experiences, Are Christians the Bad Guys? & More | S7 E10

Hey everybody back at the point-taking podcast today we came in blind and deaf. We did reactions to videos Completely unbeknownst to us what we're going to talk about. Jake and Michelle were with me, but we got into a few things including.

Gaza is the u .s. A Christian nation. Our Christians Internally and naturally. Good or evil. Do we have a light in us that guides us or do we not. What standard do we judge right and wrong by these? Are just a few things we talked about in today's episode.

I hope you guys enjoyed it and without further ado. Enjoy the episode. Time to react we have we're going in blind and Let's see what we got. You know the first one lol, we don't know a topic.

Come hang out with me while I clean up my kitchen for the night. Whenever I post that big red and I have left a brick-and-mortar Church I always have Christians telling me that I'm doing it wrong that I'm sinning that the Bible tells me that I need to go to Church, but here's a question for you.

Where exactly in the Bible does it tell me that I need to go to a church building sit in a pew and listen to a? Pastor preaching actually quite the opposite. It actually warns us about false prophets false teachers and leaders of churches and newsflash.

Jesus was actually kicked out of synagogues. He walked the streets. He preached to crowds. He ate on the Sabbath. People forget that Jesus is not a church building But instead a spirit that lives inside of us and walks alongside of us.

You see it doesn't matter where we gather as long as we're having fellowship with other Christians. Following his commands and most importantly grounding ourselves in the Word God laid it on my heart to start me moss.

So every person that's telling me I'm doing it wrong. Take it up with God. It wasn't my decision.

Okay, I need more context. Is this a house church kind of a situation or is this a they just Have given up on like they left a church. Maybe. What does she mean by fellowship?

Well, yeah, hey, I have friends that come over every once in a while and you know, or do they have pastoral leadership?

Well, I think I think I think that I think if you took her last couple sentences face value I'm know are we being ministered by the word? Are we fellowship with other Christians all that stuff and following his commands?

I think that's true, right problem is I Think this is where people get messed up a little bit. It is absolutely accurate to say the church is not a building. The Bible doesn't tell you to go sit in a pew for them that that's all agreed upon.

In fact, there are no church buildings. Well, not just some New Testament, it's gonna be two or three hundred years until Christianity becomes legal before there's gonna be any Church buildings, obviously, but when they say follow the commands, well.

The commands to have pastors lead the congregation is from the scriptures. Become so are you doing the pastors the deacons are it tells you how church service restaurant says singing? It says public reading of Scripture.

It says exhortation. So if all those things are happening, it doesn't matter where the Corinthians are in Hebrews that don't deny.

Don't don't neglect to gather don't like to gather together like some like some people. There's 10, okay.

I think here are the boundaries the scripture has. It says meet together on the first day of the week, right? Which is Sunday doesn't tell you a time or whatever. It doesn't say where so I agree with that part it says repeatedly in the New Testament to have Leaders pastors elders overseers Deacons, etc.

So there's a structure it gives us a structure on how we're to Collect money to help the those less fortunate. It gives us these structures. So if all those are in place. Yeah, sure, they can be in a school gym.

Who cares right? Yeah, who cares the problem is. And I don't know about this person. Oftentimes people use The excuse of Church is not a building which is true in Order to pick around some of the commands about meeting together.

About being under church leadership and discipline things like that. I can worship God just fine in a deer stand. Yeah. Yeah, and that's what I think. That's what people don't understand. They didn't hear what the scripture Jake just quoted was from Hebrews chapter 10.

Do not neglect the meeting together. As is the habit of son, right? So You can worship God in a deer stand, of course, but God commands you to worship with his people. Are you doing that on a regular basis?

I think that's. I think that's the answer to the question.

There's people who are older and wiser than us that have things just to share that to teach us and also. There's things that we've lived we've learned either from scripture or by life consequence or both that we are meant to then contribute back to the.

Exactly, right. Exactly, right. Any other comments on that one?

Yeah.

I think that's I think that's really the gist of it as long as you're following all the other commands the scripture has because if the three of us are just meeting in one of our houses and There's no pastor leading there is no functions of the church that we're supposed to be doing.

Then how can we read the word and follow the commands, but we're ignoring these few. But I would echo the point that of course a church is not a building but I think we've got that point down and.

To her credit how often is it that a church gets to a point where it's just a self-feeding entity? Sure, just trying to feed to keep the church going rather than doing what the church is supposed to be doing, right?

That's right. That's right. I think there's one other thing about house churches. Sometimes they can be a result of bitterness and leaving a church for the wrong reasons. And so they do kind of get a negative rap.

But I think if you're saying they're doing it correctly they have they're following the commands and the church structure. It doesn't matter necessarily where you meet, but I think that has happened before where people are like Well, we're just gonna start a house church and they get there.

They're angry at something and then they leave and so that that I think that's why that's probably what she's coming against. Is people saying Why aren't you at church? And so if she's doing it, right?

That.

That negative connotation might be what people are saying as far as commenting on.

Make sure we started what I forgot what she called it. But that's why I'm already if that is a like you said a coming together under the correct circumstances. Because they left a church that was not fulfilling the mandate then.

Yeah, one of the.

One of the things she said that made my eyebrow raised when she said Jesus was kicked out of synagogues.

Yes.

But not in the same way that she just said in Luke chapter 4 he's removed from the synagogue because he read and applied the Scriptures to himself. Mm-hmm. So that was the problem there. All right, well I think we're ready for number number two.

What if heaven and hell are very close to each other not far away spatially, but actually close. And. What if it is more about your experience of the light of God? That fire That emanates from a perfect. Holy God.

And whether you are ready or you are not ready to feel that light.

No As.

Whenever we start talking about proximity of heaven and hell That gets a little cloudy because we're dealing with spiritual realms. So it's a little yeah, and you know, even when you have people. When you talk about Sheol when you talk about Hades it gets a little cloudy because we're talking about close proximity here.

Here's what we know.

The.

It is not about your experience. It is about Where you're at in relation to God and The scariest phrase in the Bible in my opinion describing of hell. Yes away from the presence of the Lord. You know some of the phrases about hell where it says Outer darkness, but eternal fire.

That should be a contradiction fire and darkness. But the scariest phrase in the Bible to me about hell is the little phrase eternal destruction. Because when something is destroyed it ceases to be okay.

That can't be well that in our realm that can't be eternal right. And the closest example I have is y 'all remember. I'm dr Strange. Dora monomer. I've come to the bar. Yeah, and then he comes back. Dora monomer.

I've come to bargain. No, the Bible is not describing your interpretation of the same thing people are in heaven you are in a different location and Experiencing different things that are horrific to describe.

So I was hearing kind of some you know new age. The light it comes from within you kind of stuff that you're trying to almost Transpose Christian words on top of. There's not enough context there to determine that but that's that's what that sounded like to me.

I've heard a lot of that that's why it's emanating from within you.

I've heard that many times for you to listen to the light that is within you that is what God in that and that. That smacks of new age teaching and that All is light all has a fragment of the light which stems from ancient Gnostic teaching, right?

It's a light is divided up among the creation and that if we just listen that little piece We can let it grow and then someday the all the light will be recoalesced into the oneness of God.

And if you if you've never heard that phrase that Jake just said Gnostic teaching the idea of special knowledge from God. It really does read like Harry Potter and the Horcruxes. You remember? Voldemort's soul was split up.

And I never read the books seven ways or eight ways or everybody is that's. The idea is that the light is.

Yeah, well that was the early days of the one vein of the Gnostic cosmology was that the Creator Broke himself up among the creation and therefore diminished himself. Right. And so and obviously Yahweh was not the Creator, but that's what happened to the Creator.

But now Yahweh the Creator couldn't do anything about Yahweh because he was so spread out among the creation that that's yeah.

That's why go ahead. I was just gonna say it seemed like he was also talking about Us having a role in being ready or not being ready. I don't know if y 'all heard that maybe I misheard but it sounded like he was saying that we were responsible whether we're ready to be with God or not and then he almost spoke of it sounded like Purgatory to me like oh, you're gonna be in this place for a little while until you're ready or something like there was a time that you're Purging in order to get ready.

So that was a little weird to me that he didn't speak of Jesus taking the responsibility for our sins and that therefore we're ready because of his.

Imputation so I thought that was a little strange too. I don't want people to think that sanctification that our process of Becoming More of who are meant to be in God that our process of becoming more of being it continues in heaven or hell.

In that sense because for example a very touching description of heaven and hell that is incorrect. Maybe you've heard it before. Heaven and hell over exactly like that heaven and hell of the same place and everyone has Soup in front of them and their hands are ladles.

You've heard this now their hands are ladles and the ladles are too long. They're spoons. They're too long to feed yourself and hell is where everyone's trying to feed themselves and always is hungry.

Heaven is where you use it to feed the other people and they're feeding you. No.

Yeah No.

No, no. That is the lesson. Is that here on earth? We're supposed to use what God has given us to help other people then of course. But no heaven to hell is much more real than that. And just to Jake's point.

About Reading into what he was talking about the light within us and a lot of stuff. This is what John is saying in John 1 that it's not each one of us has a little bit of God or light in us. It's that God himself came and in that passage on one It says the word was with God the word was the word was God and then it says In him was light and And in that light was the life of men.

Did I say that backwards in him was life and in that life was the light of men in other words? The light of men is Jesus himself not what's in each one of them. Fact the next chapter says he knew what was in man.

And it wasn't good, but he himself is the light of God, right?

Yeah, and the light of the world everybody anybody ever needs a a. What's what's the word? Not? I get not apologetics. Not the word. I'm not using the Resource. Well an answer to those all that for the word Dang anyway, it's the it's the big academic word for it, but no the.

That work retort. No, but but the Gospel of John is so anti. So much so anti Gnostic. It's anti New Age so much of the stuff doesn't this new wave of spiritualism. That's coming in today. Just read through the book of John and don't read into it.

Just let it speak and it answers all of that. Amen.

All right, lol, and I couldn't go past that girl. The Holy Spirit spoke to me and said she's my artist. I felt I heard in my heart that she's an artist. Are you an artist? Yes, you are. Okay. Wow. No Artists.

That's amazing to me. That God would send me all the way from Dallas to see your horns from behind. You are precious to God. And he loves you so much. I feel that you have been through so much So many heartbreaks and God wants to give you hope.

He wants to take depression away from you. Can I pray for you? She gave her heart back to Jesus and God rescued her and brought her to himself. All because I paused and listened to the voice of God.

Was that Todd white? Okay, I'm already familiar with him. Would one y 'all want to go first?

I do not know anything about him. So I would be a complete cold reaction. Just react to the video. So so I.

I.

Know that there are times when God will speak to us seemingly audibly about approaching a person.

And.

Speaking to them praying for them and all of that. It seemed like everything he said was encouraging and if she truly repented from The mess that she made on her face that that would be that would be amazing.

Are you showing the videos overlaid with the? So, I don't know anything about him and his theological stances or what so. Like completely cold that looked like a genuine interaction to me some people I I have caution though I came from Pentecostal background and some people who are like I felt that God said I kind of Have a little more skepticism with that, but I know that it can't happen.

Sure, I.

Was okay. Okay. Okay until. The word I came out of his mouth. What do you mean? I don't know that that just I don't know what how what it was about how he emphasized it. Maybe I overheard it. Maybe that was my own biases, but all because I you know.

Stayed it was still and listened to the Holy Spirit, but that that could be 100 me.

Yeah.

So Todd White has and that video is not a not an example of it just a reaction to that video. You know. Hey, I it's God has laid on my heart impressions before.

About.

What to do in certain scenarios?

I.

Normally avoid phrases like God told me I'll say something like I felt it in my heart my spirit. But I would say this That's an interesting guy in this. He has preached Some pretty horrific things before some pretty blasphemous things before but on YouTube There he posted a sermon five or six years ago Where he repented and he goes.

I have not shared the full gospel for most of my ministry and that stops today. And I have not to my shame followed up With with that, but I'm hoping can you see when that video was posted? If it's not worth it right now, that's okay.

Anyway, I hope that has continued for for his sake and first flock sake because That that would be great. Yeah, his name is Todd White and he.

Yeah.

Awful stuff before but yeah, he preached also. I was the whole thing was like a 40-minute sermon about him. You know what guys I've done this way more for show and not enough about God and I have not preached the full gospel.

That stops today. That was a few years ago that that kind of humility is really. That's hard to do. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, what else we got bro?

Aggie had an out-of-body Experience when she got into a car accident. You're not going to believe what she saw when Maggie got into a car accident. Her body was so shattered that she flew out of her body and floated above the scene of the accident.

She saw people in other cars Complaining about the traffic. But then she encountered a white light emanating from five cars back and the light was going straight into her body. When she went to that car She saw a woman praying for her in the name of Jesus and Maggie survived the car accident and was able to connect with the woman and confirmed that indeed she was praying for her.

If you believe in the power of prayer type Jesus and follow for more. Well, obviously the point of that video was to.

Put comments and click on stuff so.

Yeah, so I'll go first so. No, I don't believe that happened. I do believe the lady. I'm not saying the lady lied. I do believe she believed that happened. The scripture says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

To be absent from the body is To be present with the Lord.

So.

If we're we're not asking about being unconscious and having a dream if we're asking that her spirit actually come out of her body in reality and See a white. No, I don't believe that and I don't believe when You pray it sends a white light to the thing when you pray.

If God chooses to Respond to that prayer God answers the prayer now. I absolutely Absolutely. I Absolutely can believe God responded to the faithful prayer that woman five cars back and she was resuscitated right there.

I have no problem believing that. I mean, that's that's God answering prayer. And and maybe it's just an exaggerated way of speaking from a traumatic thing, but I don't actually believe that her spirit Detached from her body.

I don't even like that phrase but her spirit detached from her body and was floating in the air. Again if your spirit detaches from your body you are dead and your spirit goes to be with God or away from God.

I.

Think there's room though like for. Because people a lot of people have those kind of experiences. I think that's I don't think that like you said, I don't think that's what's happening that it's physically detaching.

But.

I do think I think it's interesting. I work because that that does happen a lot. There's there's a lot of those experiences worth. I Think it's worth looking at and discussing at least like that's how she experienced in That unconscious state, you know, I don't know I'm loath to say God allowed her to see that but that's how she Had it she perceived it.

That's how she perceived it in that state.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying for me it's like okay, for example. We a lot of books a lot of movies someone dies and goes to heaven or dies and goes to hell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shake tracks stuff like that.

In 2nd Corinthians 12 Paul is caught up to heaven in a vision. Mm-hmm. Okay, and. That's the guy who says. And even what I saw no I has seen. No ear has heard what God has the store so even what he saw wasn't the full picture.

He says and in that same spot, he's like was I caught up in the body or in the spirit?

I don't know. I don't I don't even know what happened to me. Yeah, right. And even he says no I has seen. No ear has heard. So this example wasn't that extreme but when we have a 350 page novel about what someone saw in heaven and they can tell you everything about it.

No, I has to mean no I. And no ear has to mean no ear. Not no I accept and no ear except. But I will say this. You know pastor Jeff says this all the time. But if God were to peel back this floor for half a moment and all of us see into the depths of hell We would fall on our face and beg for forgiveness for Joseph Stalin.

Right, so God has and often does use.

Dreams.

Visions, whatever. To motivate someone to action. As it were. Mm-hmm. So I have no problem with that near-death experience being a wake-up call for that lady. Yeah, that's not good to me. So the only thing I'm pushing back on is the idea that her spirit truly detached from her body.

Well, and I'll agree with you because the All that was bad. No. No, but I'll agree with you because it's it's nice when it aligns with You know a Christian or seemingly Christian Message, but very frequently it doesn't.

Oh, yeah, you know that I saw this I saw Creatures of all sorts, you know that people you know that you read some of the New Age literature people have some wild Experiences that they are convinced was more real than being awake.

And not to say that that is also like what they thought they perceived was also correct because obviously they're deceived in in their conclusions. But it we do need to take seriously. I think that If that experience is was genuine that they really did have that.

What am I trying to say. It wasn't of God or it wasn't God could purpose it but it wasn't from him.

Yeah, it was.

On your brain when your brain dead, but it doesn't make it. I mean, it's nice to be backed up by scripture.

Because I don't say what's true. It could be that there's some physiological things happening that we can't explain. Yes, and that alter your perception you would think.

Someone Lazarus who have been dead and I understand this argument from silence, but he was dead for four days. And when he comes out, there's no mention of him having been in heaven or hell. There's he's just happy to see everyone again.

Okay, he's aware that he was dead. We would assume because he had the dead clothes on him he knew he obviously had memory that he was sick beforehand, but there's a whole lot of like we don't know about that, but all we well.

We know that the Jews wanted to kill him because he was evidence that Jesus was really who he said it was. But anyway. Yeah, that was a good one though.

How you think and how you feel? Broadcasts an electromagnetic signature that influences every single atom in your life. The thoughts that you think are the electrical charge in the quantum field. The feelings that you emote are the magnetic charge in the quantum field.

The thought sends the signal out and the feeling draws the event back. So if you're walking around your life feeling sorry for yourself and feeling like a victim. You are broadcasting that signature into the field and you will create more experiences to suffer.

We are not punished for our sins. We are punished by our sins and Sin is an attitude and sin is how you think and how you feel.

Okay. So this is what I was alluding to Before have you seen that before not this but I've seen a lot of this so A little bit of background. Okay, if anyone's ever dabbled in the history or conclusions of quantum physics You're gonna run into some weird stuff.

Now the weird stuff like it's built into the law of quantum physics weird stuff. Like particles can occupy two spaces it to two different places at the same time, right? Weird stuff now what has happened is this very technical mathematical stuff a lot of spiritual new-age people new age leaning people have taken that language and some of the stuff in that those conclusions and Drawn them out to apply to everyday life in a way where?

It explains a lot of the spiritual experiences that people have and Therefore go even further is to say therefore this is how you should live because you can show that subatomic particles every subatomic particle of your body is Interconnected with the rest of the universe and therefore well, what is the driver of that?

Well, there's there's and I'll say it this way there's a an Interpretation of a particular stream of experiments where it looks like Human consciousness just the consciousness affects the quote the conclusion, right?

And There's other but what people don't understand is that you go to the actual Physics community and there's lots of interpretations of how that happened. It's not consciousness, you know making Disconnected particles doing X or Y.

There's other things that could be doing it. So first of all, there's lots of there's more than there's there's more conclusions than the Copenhagen conclusion. If anybody wants to look that up.

There's.

Conclusions out there by physicists where. The normal laws of physics apply first of all but second of all as many people in that actual technical field have pointed out the Conclusions that a lot of the new-age people have come to where they draw that into these these life philosophies Is completely unfounded from the actual science of what's been developed in the quantum physics realm?

So.

You have to be super wary of somebody who You is using scientific words and when you go look up those words, it actually is loosely connected to the things he's talking about. You have to be very cautious of people who are who are doing that and then Extrapolating from some science II stuff what you ought to be doing with your life.

And doesn't this play out to in things like they call it law of attraction or that book exact same thing. Same thing. Yeah, so watch out for those things too because they are completely heretical. Yeah.

A a.

Book that would be right on the cusp of that is a book called the quantum the the physics of consciousness where He kind of draws the line right there. But and he disproves that that's it. Wouldn't. I wouldn't say he would take you right up to the line where you could go one of the other but you can see where.

Someone would where they draw that idea, but it's not. You wouldn't say that. That's a good reference for what it is.

Not it's not a biblically accurate. It would be if someone it's like, okay I need to find something to argue against that would be that would be what you uh. That would you go to if people have taken that and just run gotcha.

Yeah.

Yeah, so the sentence you are not punished for your sins You're punished by your sins implies that Jesus is not the one punishing you but you your sins yourself their selves are your punishment. That is inaccurate.

Hebrews chapter 10. Vengeance is mine. I will repay. The Lord will judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God. You're not merely you are punished for your sins by God.

Remember for those of us who are saved and this is a phrase that I wish everyone can understand this sentence. You are saved by God for God and from God. You are saved by God and he is the one that does the saving.

You are saved for God and that he says you were created for good works that he planned ahead of time that you should walk In them and you are saved from God and that he is the judge who levels the scales.

The the scales will even out They there will be a leveling. He's just that has to happen. So you are you are judged for your sins, you know in Revelation 21 it mentions The cowardly the faithless the detestable the murderers the sexually immoral sorcerers adulterers and all liars.

There are portion will be in the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. This is the second death. Those sins are named. We are punished for our sins in the same way that we are saved from them by God.

Now.

There is also temporary punishments for sin. So it's okay to say things like It's not that you are punished by your sins, but there is temporary earthly punishments for those as well. There's consequences consequences to my actions, but I think we're remiss if we say things like you're not punished for your sins.

Yes, you are and that's what makes grace so amazing. Is that. This is not a teaching that sin is Forgotten about and swept under the rug. The punishment for the sin must be paid for when Jesus dies He is being punished for the sin that I did that Michelle did that Jake did and We are being rewarded for the obedience that he did.

That that's what happens at salvation. But all sin gets punished for either by you as an individual or by Jesus, so yeah.

I would challenge this guy like how would you even define sin?

Well, yeah, what is it bad things that happen in life? Is that what you're trying to say?

Yeah, because the only conclusion you could come to is like well you actually didn't do anything wrong. Therefore it's not a sin. You just really need to feel better about it.

And and when he started saying things like when your emotions are the magnetic thing. In other words as if it's sending out a signal and then you're receiving things back that you sent out.

You know, which is karma, right?

Yeah. That's not the idea now. Here's a better idea to say it and this is not the same thing at all. You reap what you sow is a biblical phrase from the book of Galatians. If You sow in the spirit you'll reap according to the spirit.

If you sow in the flesh you'll reap according to the flesh. Don't be deceived. God's not mocked. Whatever you sow. That's what you're gonna reap. I think that's a better way to say what he said. What's the significance of Jesus having his side open when he dies on the cross.

The significance is this. We know that the first Adam was brought to life by having God give him his breath. We know that Jesus who is God was killed on the cross by man taking the breath from Jesus. We also know that Adam had a bride taken from him.

God opened up his side. There was a doorway open up in a side and from that doorway came the bride of Adam. We are all born as part of the Bridehood of Adam and this is why we share in his guilt. God wants to save us by having us leave the Bridehood of Adam and be brought into the Bridehood of Jesus who is the Bride of Jesus the church.

And this is why when Jesus dies. Making satisfaction for the sins of man. There's a doorway opened up into his side so that his bride can enter into the new Adam and be saved. I like the I. Like the parallel.

The parallelism drawn there of God breathes life into man and then man takes that breath. Breath from God as it were. I don't think.

I.

Don't think there's that much significance in the Jesus being stabbed and here's why he was already dead. Right. That did not. That did not take away his last breath. He was already dead when that happened.

It is true to say the church is the Bride of Christ. That that is true. It is true what he said about We are all descendants from Adam. I think he said from Adam's bride, but we're all descendants from Adam and thus we're fallen in Adam.

But the the conclusion. You need to climb up and climb into the side.

Yeah Yeah.

Let's make a better analogy. Go ahead. Wait, let's let's mix some metaphors. Let's put them together.

And then.

Let's climb into a dead body. I don't think. Yeah, I don't think that metaphor is necessary. It I think Matthew's metaphor is much better. The veil of the temple split in half. Yep I think that's the idea that we now have access to God, but just a quick reminder.

He was already dead when they stabbed him. They stabbed him to hurry up the process. Because they were trying to appease the Jews who didn't want the dead body of a Jew hanging over into. Into the next day into the Sabbath.

And.

Because it was Friday night. Into the Sabbath or at least into the feast if you're a Thursday night kind of guy. But the point being is I think it's a little overkill on the metaphor, but. But I kind of I kind of do like the the thought of that is true.

God breathed life in the man and He allowed a man to take his last breath as a human before he came back. But I don't think there's as much parallelism between the Bride of Adam and the Bride of Christ.