Video Reactions: Out of Body Experiences, Are Christians the Bad Guys? & More | S7 E10

Hey everybody back at the point -taking podcast today. We came in blind and deaf we did reactions to videos completely

Unbeknownst to us what we're going to talk about Jake and Michelle were with me, but we got into a few things including

Gaza is the u .s. A Christian nation Our Christians Internally and naturally good or evil

Do we have a light in us that guides us or do we not what standard do we judge right and wrong by these are

Just a few things we talked about in today's episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it and without further ado. Enjoy the episode time to react we have we're going in blind and Let's see what we got.

Cue the first one lol. We don't know a topic Come hang out with me while I clean up my kitchen for the night

Whenever I post that big red and I have left a brick -and -mortar Church I always have Christians telling me that I'm doing it wrong that I'm sinning that the

Bible tells me that I need to go to Church, but here's a question for you Where exactly in the

Bible does it tell me that I need to go to a church building sit in a pew and listen to a? Pastor preaching actually quite the opposite It actually warns us about false prophets false teachers and leaders of churches and news flash

Jesus was actually kicked out of synagogues. He walked the streets. He preached to crowds

He ate on the Sabbath people forget that Jesus is not a church building But instead a spirit that lives inside of us and walks alongside of us

You see it doesn't matter where we gather as long as we're having fellowship with other Christians Following his commands and most importantly grounding ourselves in the

Word God laid it on my heart to start me Ma's So every person that's telling me I'm doing it wrong pick it up with God.

It wasn't my decision Mm -hmm. I need more context. Is this a house church kind of a situation or is this a they just Have given up on like they left a church maybe what

I mean by fellowship Yeah, hey, I have friends that come over every once in a while and you know, or do they have pastoral leadership?

Well, I think I think I think that I think if you took her last couple sentences and face value

I'm know are we being ministered by the word? Are we fellowship with other Christians all that stuff and following his commands and that's true, right problem is

I? Think this is where people get messed up a little bit. It is absolutely accurate to say the church is not a building

The Bible doesn't tell you to go sit in a pew for them that that's all agreed upon.

In fact, there are no church buildings Well, not just some New Testament It's gonna be two or three hundred years till Christianity starts legal before there's gonna be any church buildings, obviously

But when they say follow the commands, well The commands to have pastors lead the congregation is from the scriptures

So are you doing the pastors the deacons are it tells you how church service supposed to run says singing?

It says public reading of Scripture. It says exhortation So if all those things are happening, it doesn't matter where the

Corinthians are in Hebrews that don't deny Don't don't neglect to gather don't like to gather together like some like some people there's 10, okay

I think here are the boundaries the scripture has it says meet together on the first day of the week, right?

Which is Sunday doesn't tell you a time or whatever. It doesn't say where so I agree with that part. It says repeatedly in the

New Testament to have Leaders pastors elders overseers Deacons, etc.

So there's a structure it gives us a structure on how we're to Collect money to help the those less fortunate.

It gives us these structures. So if all those are in place, yeah, sure They can be in a school gym who cares right?

Yeah, who cares the problem is And I don't know about this person oftentimes people use

The excuse of Church is not a building which is true in Order to pick around some of the commands about meeting together

About being under church leadership and discipline things like that. I can worship God just fine in a deer stand.

Yeah Yeah, and that's what I think that's what people don't understand They didn't hear what the scripture

Jake just quoted was from Hebrews chapter 10. Do not neglect the meeting together

As is the habit of son, right? So You can worship God in a deer stand, of course, but God commands you to worship with his people

Are you doing that on a regular basis? I think that's I think that's the answer to the question there's people who are older and wiser than us that have things just to share that to teach us and also

There's things that we've lived we've learned either from scripture or by life consequence or both that we are meant to then contribute back to the

Body, exactly, right? Any other comments on that one? Yeah I think that's

I think that's really the gist of it as long as you're following all the other commands the scripture has because if the three of us are just meeting in one of our houses and There's no pastor leading there is no functions of the church that we're supposed to be doing

Then how can we read the word and follow the commands, but we're ignoring these few But I would echo the point that of course a church is not a building

But I think we've got that point down and to her credit How often is it that a church gets to a point where it's just a self -feeding entity?

Sure, just trying to feed to keep the church going rather than doing what the church is supposed to be doing, right? That's right. That's right.

I think there's one other thing about house churches Sometimes they can be a result of bitterness and leaving a church for the wrong reasons

And so they do kind of get a negative rap But I think if you're saying they're doing it correctly they have they're following the commands and the church structure

It doesn't matter necessarily where you meet, but I think that has happened before where people are like Well, we're just gonna start a house church and they get there

They're angry at something and then they leave and so that that I think that's why that's probably what she's coming against is people saying

Why aren't you at church? And so if she's doing it, right? that That negative connotation might be what people are saying as far as commenting on She did say that's why we started.

I forgot what she called it, but that's why we started Yeah, if that is a like you said a coming together under the correct circumstances because they left a church that was not fulfilling the mandate then yeah.

One of the One of the things she said that made my eyebrow raise when she said Jesus was kicked out of synagogues

Yes but not in the same way that she just said. In Luke chapter 4 he's removed from the synagogue because he read and applied the

Scriptures to himself. So that was the problem there. All right, well I think we're ready for number number two

What if heaven and hell are very close to each other not far away spatially but actually close and What if it is more about your experience of the light of God?

that fire That emanates from a perfect Holy God and whether you are ready or you are not ready to feel that light

No As Whenever we start talking about proximity of heaven and hell

That gets a little cloudy because we're dealing with spiritual realms. So it's a little yeah, and you know, even when you have people

When you talk about Sheol, when you talk about Hades, it gets a little cloudy because we're talking about close proximity.

Here's what we know The It is not about your experience.

It is about Where you're at in relation to God and The scariest phrase in the

Bible in my opinion describing of hell. Yes away from the presence of the Lord You know some of the phrases about hell where it says

Outer darkness, but eternal fire that should be a contradiction fire and darkness

But the scariest phrase in the Bible to me about hell is the little phrase eternal destruction

Because when something is destroyed it ceases to be okay That can't be well that in our realm that can't be eternal right and the closest example.

I have is y 'all member. I'm dr. Strange Dora monomer. I've come to work. Yeah, and then he comes back

Dora monomer. I've come to bargain No, the Bible is not describing your interpretation of the same thing people are in heaven you are in a different location and Experiencing different things that are horrific to describe

So I was hearing kind of some you know new age The light it comes from within you kind of stuff that they're trying to almost

Transpose Christian words on top of there's not enough context there to determine that but that's that's what that sounded like to me

I've heard a lot of that that's why it's emanating from within you I've heard that many times for you to listen to the light that is within you that is what

God in that and that That smacks of New Age teaching and that All is light all has a fragment of the light which stems from ancient

Gnostic teaching, right? It's a light is divided up among the creation and that if we just listen that little piece

We can let it grow and then someday the all the light will be recoalesced into the oneness of God And if you've never heard that phrase that Jake just said

Gnostic teaching the idea of special knowledge from God It really does read like Harry Potter and the

Horcruxes You remember? Voldemort's soul was split up and I never read the books seven ways or eight ways or everybody is that's the idea is that the light is

Yeah, well that was the early days of the one vein of the

Gnostic cosmology was that the Creator Broke himself up among the creation and therefore diminished himself

Right, and so and obviously Yahweh was not the Creator, but that's what happened to the Creator But now

Yahweh the Creator couldn't do anything about Yahweh because he was so spread out among the creation that that's yeah

That's why go ahead. I was just gonna say it seemed like he was also talking about Us having a role in being ready or not being ready

I don't know if y 'all heard that maybe I misheard but it sounded like he was saying that We are responsible whether we're ready to be with God or not

And then he almost spoke of it sounded like purgatory to me like oh You're gonna be in this place for a little while until you're ready or something.

Like there was a time that you're Purging in order to get ready. So that was a little weird to me that he didn't speak of Jesus taking the responsibility for our sins and that therefore we're ready because of his

Imputation so I thought that was a little strange, too. I don't want people to think that sanctification that our process of Becoming more of who are meant to be in God that our process of becoming more obedient continues in heaven or hell in That sense because for example a very touching description of heaven and hell that is incorrect.

Maybe you've heard it before Heaven and hell exactly like that heaven and hell of the same place and everyone has

Soup in front of them and their hands are ladles. You've heard this Their hands are ladles and the ladles are too long their spoons

They're too long to feed yourself and hell is where everyone's trying to feed themself and always is hungry Heaven is where you use it to feed the other people and they're feeding you.

No Yeah No No, no

That is the lesson is that here on earth we're supposed to use what God has given us to help other people then of course but no heaven to hell is much more real than that and Just to Jake's point

About reading into what he was talking about the light within us and a lot of stuff This is what John is saying in John 1 that it's not each one of us has a little bit of God or light in us

It's that God himself came and in that passage on one It says the word was with God the word was the word was

God and then it says In him was light and And in that light was the life of men

Did I say that backwards in him was life and in that life was the light of man in other words The light of men is

Jesus himself not what's in each one of them fact The next chapter says he knew what was in man, and it wasn't good, but he himself is the light of God, right?

yeah, and the light of the world everybody anybody ever needs a a What's what's the word?

Not I get not apologetics. Not the word. I'm not using the Resource well an answer to those all that for the word

Dang anyway, it's the it's the big academic word for it, but no the

That work retort no, but but the Gospel of John is so anti So much so anti Gnostic.

It's anti New Age so much of the stuff doesn't this new wave of spiritualism. That's coming in today

Just read through the book of John and don't read into it just let it speak and then it answers all of that and then

All right, lol And I couldn't go past that girl. The Holy Spirit spoke to me and said she's my artist

I felt I heard in my heart that she's an artist. Are you an artist? Yes, you are.

Okay Wow Artists that's amazing to me

That God would send me all the way from Dallas to see your horns from behind you are precious to God And he loves you so much.

I feel that you have been through so much So many heartbreaks and God wants to give you hope he wants to take depression away from you.

Can I pray for you? She gave her heart back to Jesus and God rescued her and brought her to himself all because I paused

And listen to the voice of God Was that Todd white?

Okay, I'm already familiar with him. Would one y 'all want to go first? I do not know anything about him.

So I would be a complete cold reaction. Just react to the video. So so I I know that there are times when

God will speak to us seemingly audibly about approaching a person and Speaking to them praying for them and all of that.

It seemed like everything he said was encouraging And if she truly repented from the mess that she made on her face that That would be that would be amazing.

Are you showing the videos overlaid with the? So, I don't know anything about him and his theological stances or what so Like completely cold that looked like a genuine interaction to me some people

I Have caution though I came from Pentecostal background and some people who are like I felt that God said

I kind of Have a little more skepticism with that, but I know that it can't happen sure,

I Was okay, okay, okay until The word I came out of his mouth.

What do you mean? I don't know that that just I don't know what how what it was about how he emphasized it

Maybe I overheard it. Maybe that was my own biases, but all because I you know

Stayed it was still and listen to the Holy Spirit, but that that could be 100 % me

Yeah So Todd White has and that video is not a not an example of it just a reaction to that video

You know Hey, I it's God has laid on my heart impressions before about What to do in certain scenarios?

I Normally avoid phrases like God told me

I'll say something like I felt it in my heart my spirit But I would say this

That's an interesting guy in this He has preached Some pretty horrific things before some pretty blasphemous things before but on YouTube There he posted a sermon five or six years ago

Where he repented and he goes I have not shared the full gospel for most of my ministry and that stops today

And I have not to my shame followed up With with that, but I'm hoping can you see when that video was posted?

If it's not worth it right now, that's okay. Anyway, I hope that has continued for for his sake and first flock sake because That that would be great.

Yeah, his name is Todd White and he Yeah Awful stuff before but yeah, he preached also.

I was the whole thing was like a 40 -minute sermon about him You know what guys I've done this way more for show and not enough about God and I have not preached the full gospel

That stops today. That was a few years ago that that kind of humility is really That's hard to do.

Yeah All right Well, what else we got bro?

Aggie had an out -of -body Experience when she got into a car accident

You're not going to believe what she saw when Maggie got into a car accident Her body was so shattered that she flew out of her body and floated above the scene of the accident

She saw people in other cars complaining about the traffic But then she encountered a white light

Emanating from five cars back and the light was going straight into her body when she went to that car

She saw a woman praying for her in the name of Jesus and Maggie survived the car accident and was able to connect with the woman and confirmed that indeed she was praying for her if you believe

In the power of prayer type Jesus and follow for more Well, obviously the point of that video was to put comments and click on stuff so Yeah, so I'll go first so No, I don't believe that happened

I do believe the lady I'm not saying the lady lied I do believe she believed that happened

The scripture says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord to be absent from the body is

To be present with the Lord So if we're we're not asking about being unconscious and having a dream if we're asking that her spirit actually come out of her body in reality and See a white.

No, I don't believe that and I don't believe when You pray it sends a white light to the thing when you pray if God chooses to Respond to that prayer.

God answers the prayer now. I absolutely I Absolutely can believe God responded to the faithful prayer that woman five cars back and she was resuscitated right there

I have no problem believing that and that's that's God answering prayer, but no And maybe it's just an exaggerated way of speaking from a traumatic thing, but I don't actually believe that her spirit

Detached from her body I don't even like that phrase but her spirit detached from her body and was floating in the air

Again, if your spirit detaches from your body, you are dead and your spirit goes to be with God or away from God.

I think there's room though like for Because people a lot of people have those kind of experiences

I think that's I don't think that like you said, I don't think that's what's happening that it's physically detaching

But I do think I think it's interesting. I work because that that does happen a lot

There's there's a lot of those experiences worth. I Think it's worth looking at and discussing at least like that's how she experienced in That unconscious state, you know,

I don't know I'm loath to say God allowed her to see that but that's how she

It she perceived it. That's how she perceived it in that state. Yeah, I hear what you're saying for me

It's like okay, for example We a lot of books a lot of movies someone dies and goes to heaven or dies and goes to hell

Yeah, yeah, yeah shake tracks stuff like that in 2nd Corinthians 12

Paul is caught up to heaven in a vision. Mm -hmm. Okay, and That's the guy who says and even what

I saw no I has seen No ear has heard what God has in store

So even what he saw wasn't the full picture in this and in that same spot He's like was I caught up in the body or in the spirit?

I don't know I don't I don't even know what happened to me. Yeah, right and even he says no I has seen

No ear has heard. So This example wasn't that extreme but when we have a 350 page novel about what someone saw in heaven and they can tell you everything about it

No, I has to mean no I and no ear has to mean no ear not no I except and no ear except But I will say this

You know pastor Jeff says this all the time But if God were to peel back this for for half a moment and all of us see into the depths of hell

We would fall on our face and beg for forgiveness for Joseph Stalin right, so God has and often does use

Dreams Visions, whatever to motivate someone to action

As it were. Mm -hmm. So I have no problem with that near -death experience being a wake -up call for that lady

Yeah, that's not good to me So the only thing I'm pushing back on is the idea that her spirit truly detached from her body well, and I'll agree with you because the

Well, that was bad No, but I agree with you because it's it's nice when it aligns with You know a

Christian or seemingly Christian Message, but very frequently it doesn't oh, yeah, you know that I saw this

I saw Creatures of all sorts, you know that people you know that you read some of the

New Age literature people have some wild Experiences that they are convinced was more real than being awake and not to say that that is also like what they thought they perceived was also correct because obviously they're deceived in in their conclusions

But it we do need to take seriously. I think that If that experience is was genuine that they really did have that Um What am

I trying to say it wasn't of God or it wasn't God could purpose it but it wasn't from him Yeah, it was it's nice that it's on your brain when your brain dead, but it doesn't make it

I mean, it's nice to be backed up by scripture because I don't say what's true It could be that there's some physiological things happening that we can't explain.

Yes, and that alter your perception. You would think Someone Lazarus who have been dead and I understand this argument from silence

But he was dead for four days and when he comes out There's no mention of him having been in heaven or hell and there's he's just happy to say everyone again

Okay, he's aware that he was dead We would assume because he had the dead clothes on him

He knew he obviously had memory that he was sick beforehand, but there's a whole lot of like we don't know about that.

But all we well we know that the Jews wanted to kill him because he was evidence that Jesus was really who he said was but Anyway, yeah, that was a good one.

Lowell how you think and how you feel? broadcasts an electromagnetic signature that influences every

Single atom in your life the thoughts that you think are the electrical charge in the quantum field

The feelings that you emote are the magnetic charge in the quantum field The thought sends the signal out and the feeling draws the event back

So if you're walking around your life feeling sorry for yourself and feeling like a victim You are broadcasting that signature into the field and you will create more experiences to suffer

We are not punished for our sins we are punished by our sins and Sin is an attitude and sin is how you think and how you feel

Okay, so this is what I was alluding to Before have you seen that before not this but I've seen a lot of this so So a little bit of background, okay, if anyone's ever dabbled in the history or conclusions of quantum physics

You're gonna run into some weird stuff Now the weird stuff like it's built into the law of quantum physics weird stuff

Like particles can occupy two spaces at two Two different places at the same time, right weird stuff

Now what has happened is this very technical mathematical stuff a lot of spiritual

New Age people New Age leaning people have taken that language and some of the stuff in that those conclusions and drawn them out to apply to everyday life in a way where It explains a lot of the spiritual experiences that people have and therefore go even further is to say therefore this is how you should live because you can show that subatomic particles every subatomic particle of your body is

Interconnected with the rest of the universe and therefore well, what is the driver of that?

well, there's there's and I'll say it this way there's a An Interpretation of a particular stream of experiments where it looks like human consciousness just the consciousness affects the conclusion, right and There's other but what people don't understand is that you go to the actual

Physics community and there's lots of interpretations of how that happened. It's not consciousness, you know making

Disconnected particles doing X or Y There's other things that could be doing it

So first of all, there's lots of there's more than there's there's more conclusions than the Copenhagen conclusion if anybody wants to look that up there's

Conclusions out there by physicists where The normal laws of physics apply first of all but second of all as many people in that actual technical field have pointed out the

Conclusions that a lot of the New Age people have come to where they draw that into these these life philosophies

Is completely unfounded from the actual science of what's been developed in the quantum physics realm?

so You have to be super wary of somebody who

You is using scientific words and when you go look up those words, it actually is loosely connected to the things he's talking about you have to be very cautious of people who are who are doing that and then

Extrapolating from some science II stuff what you ought to be doing with your life And doesn't this play out to in things like they call it law of attraction or that book exact same thing secret

That's the same thing. Yeah, so watch out for those things too because they are completely heretical. Yeah a a book that would be right on the cusp of that is a book called the physics of consciousness where He kind of draws the line right there

But and he disproves that that's it wins I wouldn't say he would take you right up to the line where you could go one or the other but you can see where Someone where they draw that idea, but it's not you wouldn't say that that's a good reference for what it is

Not it's not a biblically accurate. It would be if someone it's like, okay I need to find something to argue against that would be that would be what you

That would you go to if people have taken that and just run gotcha. Yeah Yeah, so the sentence you're not punished for your sins

You're punished by your sins implies that Jesus is not the one punishing you But you your sins yourself their selves are your punishment

That is inaccurate Hebrews chapter 10

Vengeance is mine. I will repay The Lord will judge his people.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God You're not merely you are punished for your sins by God Remember for those of us who are saved and this is a phrase that I wish everyone can understand this sentence

You are saved by God for God and from God You are saved by God and he is the one that does the saving

You are saved for God and that he says you were created for good works that he planned ahead of time that you should walk

In them and you are saved from God and that he is the judge who levels the scales

The the scales will even out They there will be a leveling. He's just that has to happen

So you are you are judged for your sins, you know in Revelation 21 it mentions

The cowardly the faithless the detestable the murderers a sexually immoral sorcerers adulterers and all liars

There are portion will be in the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. This is the second death Those sins are named

We are punished for our sins in the same way that we are saved from them by God now

There is also temporary punishments for sins. So it's okay to say things like It's not that you are punished by your sins, but there is temporary earthly punishments for those as well

There's consequences consequences to my actions But I think we're remiss if we say things like you're not punished for your sins.

Yes, you are and that's what makes grace so amazing is that This is not a teaching that sin is

Forgotten about and swept under the rug the punishment for the sin must be paid for when

Jesus dies He is being punished for the sin that I did that Michelle did that Jake did and We are being rewarded for the obedience that he did

That that's what happens at salvation But all sin gets punished for either by you as an individual or by Jesus So yeah,

I would challenge this guy like how would you even define sin? Hmm? Well, yeah, what is it bad things that happen in life

Is that what you're trying to say? Yeah, because the only conclusion you could come to is like well, you actually didn't do anything wrong

Therefore it's not a sin You just really need to feel better about it and and when he started saying things like when your emotions are the magnetic thing

In other words as if it's sending out a signal and then you're receiving things back that you sent out

You know, which is karma, right? Comes around yeah That's not the idea.

Now. Here's a better idea to say it and this is not the same thing at all

You reap what you sow is a biblical phrase from the book of Galatians If you sow in the spirit, you'll reap according to his spirit if you sow in the flesh you'll reap according to the flesh

Don't be deceived. God's not mocked. Whatever you so that's what you're gonna reap. I think that's a better way to say what he said

What's the significance of Jesus having his side open when he dies on the cross the significance is this

We know that the first Adam was brought to life by having God give him his breath

We know that Jesus who is God was killed on the cross by man taking the breath from Jesus We also know that Adam had a bride taken from him

God opened up his side There was a doorway opened up in a side and from that doorway came the bride of Adam We are all born as part of the

Bridehood of Adam. And this is why we share in his guilt God wants to save us by having us leave the

Bridehood of Adam and be brought into the Bridehood of Jesus who is the Bride of Jesus the church and this is why when

Jesus dies Making satisfaction for the sins of man There's a doorway opened up into his side so that his bride can enter into the new

Adam and be saved I like the

I like the parallel the parallelism drawn there of God breathes life into man and then man takes that breath breath from God as it were

I don't think I don't think there's that much significance in the

Jesus being stabbed and here's why he was already dead right that did not That did not take away his last breath.

He was already dead when that happened. It is true to say the church is the Bride of Christ That that is true.

It is true what he said about We are all descendants from Adam. I think he said from Adam's bride, but we're all descendants from Adam and thus were fallen in Adam but the the conclusion

You need to climb up and climb into the side Yeah Yeah, I think a better analogy.

Go ahead. Let's let's mix some metaphors. Let's put it together and then Let's climb into a dead body.

I don't think yeah, I don't think that metaphor is necessary It I think Matthew's metaphor is much better the veil the temple split in half.

Yep I mean, that's the idea that we now have access to God, but just a quick reminder

He was already dead when they stabbed him. They stabbed him to hurry up the process

Because they were trying to appease the Jews who didn't want the dead body of a Jew hanging over into Into the next day into the

Sabbath and Because it was Friday night Into the

Sabbath or at least into the feast if you're a Thursday night kind of guy but the point being is

I think it's a little overkill on the metaphor, but but I kind of I kind of do like the the thought of that is true

God breathed life in the man and He allowed man to take his last breath as a human before he came back

But I don't think there's as much parallelism between the bride of Adam and the bride of Christ There's some potentially interesting thoughts there

But the cramming it all together it might say to self the whole time. He was speaking I was seeing this is like a really warped children's book like Yes, that's what was going through my head

There's something. Oh, but the the fact obviously is a Catholic podcast. This is where it's coming from if you have in the

Background there that Christ is eternally cross crucified. It kind of changes the perspective a little bit

You know and what's being said that doorway eternally in that doorway eternally be open in that sort of like the stigmata stuff

Is that what you're talking about? interesting speaking of which a couple weeks ago we had a episode drop on from Roman Catholicism with Owen and with Amanda and I have not finished rewatching yet, but that was like that was a good one.

We just watched that one the other day They did a good job that they really did. So check that one out.

I think it's called leaving Roman Catholicism or Roman Catholic, I don't remember how it's titled.

But yeah, go check that one out Christians and progressive Christians love to reiterate that Americans as a whole don't

Truly follow what Jesus teaches because otherwise we wouldn't see them acting so nationalistic supporting war crimes manifest destiny

But did everyone just forget Bible is filled with story after story of God's chosen people

Versus the broken lesser ways of the world religious supremacy is like the whole theme guys like remember when instead of condemning any of these acts of violence that God commands against unbelievers in the

Old Testament Jesus comes along and reinforces be in the world but not of the world don't take part in the wicked lesser ways of the world and every damn day since Then Christians strive to be set apart is set apart

Christians see that as a feature rather than a flaw so when we see this and this and this

Instead of making them stop and go, huh?

Maybe we're the villains. It is quite literally confirmation of their religion their superiority their goodness

Some of those headlines, I think the context was dramatically unrelated to anything

I recognized one of those graphics at least was straight up from the World Economic Forum Like who cares, you know so Maybe I'm missing it.

Her main point was that the idea of Christians and and Jesus declaring

Christians to be Apart from the world sees them as religious authority religious superiority in other words that Jesus and Christianity Sees themselves as religious elites and thus

Christianity is the villain because they see themselves as above everybody else That's what she says that what

I is that what I got think so, okay, so let's go to her first graphic there All right

So this first post says half of the Old Testament is about God destroying people for not believing in him citing

Isaiah 13 16 And it follows up by saying Babylon wasn't evil yet. God is dashing their infants to pieces

Gotcha What? Yeah Babylon was not evil, but Babylon was the embodiment of evil.

Yeah Yeah, it was the metaphor for evil. I think one of the ways no no listen when

God calls for the hammer of justice to fall sometimes it comes swiftly and breathtakingly and violently,

I'm not going to Skim over that it does You know, there are times he calls for the utter destruction of nations.

In fact, it's interesting if you pay attention God uses pagan nations

Excuse me. God uses Israel to judge pagan nations for their atrocities on their own inhabitants and Then later we'll use other pagan nations to come judge

Israel from not obeying his laws on how they treat their own inhabitants So God uses nations for that way, but I Think this is this is helpful at least to me

She said Babylon wasn't evil There are no neutral people or nations

All have turned against God We say this often, but but I mean this when you live in a

State of reality where God owes you nothing Mm -hmm owes you nothing.

The Bible says he gives life and breath to every creature This is his borrowed air, right?

I own nothing in this universe Therefore if God were to kill me now, he would do me.

No wrong. I am NOT owed 70 years on this life So that's just that statement one.

So yes, Babylon was evil as is America as is Korea though Even in that reality he rewards some who seek to Abide by his laws

And that's just in fact and Babylon was not one of those The Bible consistently uses Babylon doesn't just say that they're evil.

They are The metaphor he used that as the metaphor for Rome later who was the evil of the day?

Yeah. Yeah so But Babylon was not evil you had just have to you just threw out your standard for what's good and evil

So what if Babylon's not evil if Babylon's not evil? Who is what are we talking about?

And what's our standard here? Go to that next graphic little You're doing an awesome job.

By the way, I would have already screwed this up tricky. I would have already screwed this up There's some fiddly stuff right here

So this one says New Testament keeps pushing the ideas that life is good or superior with Christian beliefs and morals alone

Everyone without their God has fallen and deserves death Christians are different and the world is against them

Assuming that Christians don't deserve death. You just said that you were just talking about that. Yeah. Yeah No, all all man deserves death.

You can skip to the next one. We do not say that all man Jesus himself Yeah Paul says for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

We all deserve death I think she's conflating God's superiority with Christian superior We don't we don't claim to be superior to other humans or better was talking against Christian nationalists, but that's probably true

Yes, so they say like well our way is superior We would agree with that or like that that needs to be that's needs to be preached against but we are not superior, right?

Absolutely not The rest of that thought there This fosters a deeply unhealthy us versus them mentality in group out group thinking as it perpetuates more disgust for unbelievers

Dehumanization and demonization can easily manufacture consent for abuse and genocide

Yeah, not dehumanization not demonization the us -versus -them mentality is

Okay, it's like I'm in the woman at the well it's like a beggar who has found bread and wants to tell everyone else where the bread's at and Everyone else is drinking poison.

So if you mean us -versus -them as in hey the way you're doing it There's a better way sure, then

I'll be part of us if that's what you mean by yeah I'll be that's about the way not about us or exactly right the way not about me on our own every one of us at this table are

Equally as in need of the grace of God as the most vile sinner on this planet So yeah, that's a mischaracterization on her part

Unfortunately, and and obviously the background here right really think of the later graphics that she showed it was maps

Right, obviously conflating the idea that Christian what we're talking about Christianity and the

United States So I'm plating maybe she okay. So let me let me maybe this will speed it up for us

I don't think any of the three of us right now would say that America is a

Christian nation Now here's what I will say the foundation of this country

Has many of its foundations that are biblically based and due to that we have reaped the rewards of Generations before us that not perfectly

But in some regard obeyed God's Word and he rewarded for us when we have deviated from that Let's take the

North North Atlantic slave trade. What's the result of that a civil war that broke this country in two and 600 ,000 people died in that war

Let's put it this way And and I don't want to make this about slavery, but just I just want to put this

Have you ever thought about this for a moment? We killed 600 ,000 of each other to free 1 million slaves

Find that ratio anywhere else in the planet killed 600 ,000 of each other to free 1 million slaves

And I understand there were other factors, but at the end of the day 1 1 million in the grand scheme of Did England do that?

Okay, you want to talk about come on Greece don't don't play games with that that's what we did now we reap the reward and I mean that negative sense the consequence the punishment of a hundred year

I'm making up a number a hundred years of sin and that is judgment and that we we have brother killing brother and cousin fighting cousin, and I'm just More people died in that no

Pearl Harbor was a travesty. That's 2 ,700 people 9 -11 was 3 ,000 people.

Okay Vietnam War 65 ,000

Korea 50 ,000 I can go down the line The war between the states the

Civil War in four years. We lost 611 ,000

US citizens, that's more than the other wars combined combined so While we don't say the

United States is a Christian nation as a day It was founded on that and where we have failed

God has severely punished us and where we have obeyed God has rewarded us and that that's that's

I think clear She she talks about multiple atrocities and I'm gonna go through these respond to him

It's all the Gaza thing. Yeah, so this one headline the u .s Once again stands alone among its peers on the council complicit in extending the suffering of Palestinian civilians

Yeah, okay, which is which was the second one about Gaza with it with all

Gaza related Let's just go through them should the UN call for a ceasefire in Gaza Here's a map of countries that recognize

Palestine. Okay, so so this is all Palestine Gaza Which is obviously presuming that there's a moral ought behind that that Palestinians but I'll just say that it's objectively false that it's the you not any action or inaction by the

United States or Christians that keeps Palestinians in Concentrate calm concentration camps, but like to those tent cities for decades the

UN and The United States have advocated for them to get out and I'll point this out

In night in the 1948 war that got Israel. It's an independence.

I think it was Something like four hundred thousand

Jews at the time I could be wrong but the ratio is gonna be correct their numbers might be wrong assimilated 800

Thousand refugees into their economy by giving them jobs like they figured it out It was took a lot of figuring out but they figured it out right four hundred thousand

Jews assimilated 800 ,000 right the people that were coming in outnumbered the people who were there right, but they figured it out and they create a new economy there's no reason why a hundred and sixty million

Arabs same blood Muslims same religion can't assimilate

Are you referring to the ten eight nine nations around Israel? Yes that can't assimilate

Arabia for example Syria Jordan Lebanon Egypt So a hundred and sixty million people of the same of the same blood and same religion can't assimilate

Forget that it's like 600 ,000 I think in currently in camps

So it's it's if Not even difficult to find that it's

Yasser Arafat and the PLO that keeps People in those camps in those tent cities because that's their that's their hammer to wave around at the

Western world You know that look at what's happening. Look at what you're doing. He needs them there.

He needs them to stay there I'll watch the video of Mostly white almost all it was a bunch of white females in this one, but males to at $80 ,000 a year universities.

What's the one in New York City? Whatever is Screaming from the river to the sea and I watched a universe a what river what sea

No, no idea So Let's just take the

Jordan to the Mediterranean Do you assume this what they're talking? Yeah, do you understand?

that you're calling for the death of Millions of Jewish people when you say that you're calling for the annihilation of an entire people group

Now look homosexuality is a sin a very serious sin One That we have to deal with in our culture

However, I saw a sign online and it said LGBTQ plus I a for Palestine Do you understand?

And I it makes me emotional because I think people really understand You could not wave that flag in Palestine, right?

You would be killed. Let me say that again LGBTQ plus I a if you took for Palestine that flag would get you killed in Palestine if you

Bill Maher of all people said this any anyone

Any one of those who are pro guys if you want to use that word pro

Palestine if you spent one day in Palestine, you would run to the border and scream for entry into Israel You can fly that flag in Israel Yeah, you can't do you understand what a

Jewish man has to do if he wants to go pray on the Temple Mount? Which was part of the peace

Accords was given to the to the Arabs the IDF Has to walk of the

Israeli an Israeli soldier has to walk you up and You're allowed to pray in certain areas not in other areas on the holiest site in your religion

And the IDF will stop you if you try to perform reading of the

Torah out loud or thing in the wrong area This is not a comment that Benjamin Netanyahu is a perfect Bible believing

God fit this that's not that comment the point is There's no equal scales.

There is no equal scales and it I Think when we talk about justice and fairness

Palestinian Arabs are treated better in Jerusalem than they are in Gaza That's just a matter of fact, well you just talked about the tent cities but again, none of this really has to do with Christianity in the sense in the sense that The United States as a whole not understand the

United States government has been a long supporter militarily of Israel and all that stuff I Don't I don't it's a leap to say

Christianity has been now we recognize that God Has used the nation of Israel to be his people group and to bring the gospel to the world and his

Messiah came from that Line and things like that But there is no equal scales if you will just want to talk truth about Land disputes if you say things like from the river to the sea,

I mean, that's just the wildest thing I've ever heard in my life I want to go back to the

Manifest destiny the idea that the United States was always supposed to be from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean We acknowledge that there are many

Christians who mistreated the Native Americans here we also acknowledge that many of the people who first Had the idea of treating them like human beings were

Christian missionaries We Roger Williams in in Rhode Island's a perfect example that he learned the language with with no material to learn it from just to be able to evangelize and to Be minister to the natives there, but I just wonder

I just have to say this the idea of Christians mistreating the poor natives

Do you understand? and even the idea of reservations And this would be an unpopular opinion probably but do you understand?

That it is almost impossible to trace who the original inhabitants of the land of Tennessee was

Because native tribes murdered other native tribes and took it over. I mean

Blackfoot you can't it's impossible It's impossible to figure out because there was always

Tribal warfare going on. Well more than that like there's now Archaeological and genetic evidence that there were people from Middle Eastern Genetics here there were there were black people that just gives you the idea of Pangea Yeah, sure.

Yeah, but there were black people groups in the Americas at some point and they were always fighting with each other And so I said say whenever we talk about land disputes

It's very difficult to decide when you get to decide who the permanent residents of that place are because people have always and that's people of all ethnicities languages, whatever but again

Her complaints I got against things the US government has done is not an indictment on Christianity Christianity is separate from the government now.

We are to pray for our government. We are to submit to our government We are to pray that there are Christian leaders in our government

But that is a separate sphere that God has ordained to be over us in nations

It does not itself represent Christianity Furthermore The idea that We were talking about Gaza the idea that the u .s.

Is on the wrong side of every global conflict is Ridiculous is at is absolutely ridiculous.

I often find that people Love to highlight

America's atrocities of which there have been many In the face of other nations who have done more in the past two weeks

For example, let's just America had had slavery once upon a time. Yes, but there's more people in slavery today in Africa Sub -Saharan

Africa in the Middle East in the if I may and oh she won't like this The video you just made

Was using a phone and a computer. Mm -hmm That was made in a place

Where children are used as slaves to build the thing that you just recorded that video on I'll wait for someone to disprove that and that I mean

That's what just happened and the fact that you're able to make that video shows that you're in a country that promotes freedom

You could not make a video that critical of the regime in North Korea in North Korea And be that open about it's impossible

You're you're proving the point though imperfect Though imperfect this nation has done more to free more people than any other nation in the history of the planet

Having said that I still do not say the nation that I currently live in as a Christian nation.

We abort children every day and Celebrate it. We have done a horrible atrocities and yet the vestiges is how you say that word?

Yes of Of the foundations of what this country was built on Sometimes still come through so yeah, that's that's what

I would say that I Was just gonna say that we can't be surprised that we're gonna be misrepresented as Christians and her conflating u .s.

The u .s. And The way the u .s. Is acted in the world with Christian behavior.

We can't be surprised by any of that We're told we're gonna be hated that so it's it's as Irritating as it is to be misrepresented.

It's what we expect the argument falls apart on all kinds of levels because Even if she's just arguing against Christian nationalists

The Christian nationalists would say we need to be Christian as a nation Right not look at all these atrocities that a non

Christian America, right? Right has done so we're promoting arguing about we're promoting that Louie's of this country

Look to God and his word for the standard not themselves. That's what we're promoting, right? but I would just conclude by saying

If If we wanted to play a number of who has done good or more good or bad

Nations who call themselves Christians or nations who call themselves who do not do I need to go further than the

Soviet Union? Mm -hmm we We're still dealing with the fallout of nations who haven't figured out in the past 50 years how to be a nation not under their

Regime and we still have that problem right now We're talking about a nation one of the lower states in the world that if they had their way

Many of those countries would be back under Russian control. Mm -hmm, but at any rate

I Think it would be more preferable To have the idea

Jesus had which is where we judge people as individuals not as Their identity as what nation they're born in and that I will have more in common with a believer living in Taiwan Then I will my next -door neighbor who doesn't love

God Because me and the believer in Taiwan will both have the same outlook on life cultural differences included

I think that's a much better way to Think about things a man looks at the outward appearance.

God looks at the heart. Amen. Amen All right, very good. Well, mr.

Lowell, do we want to try to squeeze in one more? We're gonna call that good We can get it one more. It's 326. All right, let's go one more.

I just got this time stamp this for y 'all Hard pill to swallow incoming you need to stop caring what people actually think about you and just be yourself

Stop hiding behind the mask to fit in or play someone once you truly embody your authentic self

Life will change in ways. You didn't know it could you become a powerful magnet capable of attracting whatever you want

You find love happiness and peace and most importantly your light will shine bright and the energy your aura will give off will be incredible So keep embracing your light and remember even a small lone candle can illuminate a dark room

Happy meditating and see you tomorrow You were on the same channel

We already discussed the light and the or and the emanating and all that stuff, but I will say this

I Should not stop caring about what people think about me. However However, I Should care far more about how

God views me Then then others because at the end of the day he sets the reality for who

I am I Would say that but I wouldn't say stop caring about how other people think about you

I would just say care more about what God Sees about you and going back to this idea that the light is within you and if all you have to do is listen to That you have to decide it matters

Theology does matter right the What is the nature of man because it's fun

This is fundamentally this this assumption behind what he's saying is fundamentally different From everything that scripture teaches in that the heart is desperately wicked

Dead your authentic self. Yeah is Not good. It's the opposite of good

And so if that's what you're trying to listen to and pull out and happiness is not what you're gonna find That line right there that could have been shown to Adolf Hitler while he was in jail

And he could have agreed to every word of that. Yeah, you said like be your authentic true self those kind of thing

I think To himself. Yeah, exactly. If you have no standard to judge about by then then

You don't want to ask you want people to live by a standard of objective, right and objective wrong not whatever they think that is in the moment because people

Have truly believed things that were objectively right and wrong which are atrocious things Because we have a standard outside humans to judge them.

I I think that the people who promote those kinds of ideas tend to be Tend to be fairly sheltered in their philosophies

Say you have not seen the depths of human depravity Hmm.

Yeah, you've not seen what a human can do to another human when they really think when it when in and sleep time

Fine, it brings them pleasure to bring pain Misery and some of them even think they're doing the other a favor

Yeah, and would pass a lie detector test telling you that yeah, I mean Alexander the

Great believed he was spreading The love and the joy and the pleasure and the greatness of what it is to be

Greek to the planet Yeah, he's a mass murderer. He slaughtered. I don't even know a number that I can say however many people he killed

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