Chris Pinto and Radio Free Geneva

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Responding to Chris Pinto and the Conspiracy-Theory Mindset

And welcome to the dividing line on a Thursday morning doing it different time than normal. But that's because we've got things to do this weekend and we're gonna dive right into it. I want to respond to one of the most one of the weirdest Things I've ever been directed to We're gonna talk about two topics and then the last half the program we're gonna we're gonna actually gonna fire up radio free Geneva and get back to Dr. Wall's comments on Calvinism.

So get a deep seat in the saddle a lot to cover today but I wanted to respond to Chris Pinto I We Did one little section last week where I mentioned that I had run across a Controversy somebody just dropped me a line said have you seen this?

And it was something going back and forth between Pinto and somebody else. Like I said, I'd never even heard of Chris Pinto until just recently. Evidently he's in the TR only King James only type camp and Has produced a Video Dragging back up old accusations specifically the Codex Sinaiticus is a Jesuit conspiracy and I guess Vaticanus is too and I guess logically every early papyri is also a Fraudulent Jesuit thing as well.

It would have to be but we'll get into that later. Anyway, so last week I just what I found really odd was that someone pointed out that Chris Pinto has used William Schnabel and as a source in some of his videos and I said this concerns me because it's pretty obvious We played some comments from William Schnabel and that this is this is not kind of source You should be responding or relying upon.

It's not a solid Solid source, etc, etc. That's pretty much all it's been said. I mean Chris Rosebaugh is the one who contacted me said would you be willing to do this program with this Chris Pinto guy respond to his Allegations the Sinaiticus is a Jesuit Forgery, etc, etc.

I Said well, you know, I can't right now. I've got South Africa coming up by the way Good news for a while. There is looked like Shabir Ali was not gonna be able to be involved in the debate South Africa but he's redoubled his efforts looks like he's gonna be making it now, so We've got lots of debates to do and I think doing having a trip where I'm gonna be doing Lord willing to unbelievable radio broadcasts at least one possibly two and I and maybe if Justin get to me early enough next week and Confirm the possibility the second one.

Both of those will be really important programs. I mean debate level type programs. Remember the last time I was on unbelievable was with NT right so he does Justin does have the ability of getting some some big names for some big topics and I really appreciate that and Of course, I appreciate the fact that I know that Justin Brierley does not agree with me in many areas.

And yet he really likes to have me on so you got to give him credit along those lines as well. Anyways, and then in South Africa, but sheer Vanya Yusuf Ismail and Shabir Ali that's that's a pretty decent lineup.

Let me tell you. So, let me just mention we're almost there not quite in raising the funds we need to get South Africa. So, please help us in this way If you want to see these debates take place all around the world and of course they then become you know available on YouTube and and people all around the world watch these things and the Lord really blesses so please Help us to get there.

So I've got that coming up. And so I said to Chris I said, yeah I Can't do it right now. Maybe once I get back from you know, South Africa get some work done on the book that I'm doing with Shabir Ali cetera, etc.

We can we can think about Doing something like this, but at the same time I Sort of thought well, hopefully it'll be some type of a scholarly exchange so that I can sort of tie some of that preparation in textual textual critically and historically with my preparations for Teaching church history in Kiev in February, you know, I've got to try to you know, have some kind of of Direction in in the time that I'm spending and things like that.

So My concern was that after hearing some of this William Schnabel and stuff That you know if Chris Pinto doesn't have the discernment to recognize that this is probably not the direction to be going.

That the conversation might end up being more like we had with with Gail Rippling er then With Jack Mormon, let's put it that way, you know, I mean at least Jack Mormon and I had a decent conversation and it.

But I'm not sure that's after listening to this Reality or not. So anyways, that's pretty much all it's happened. I mean What you're about to listen to is gonna give you a very very different idea than that but That's pretty much been the entirety of the attention that I've had to focus upon any of that kind of thing.

So Yesterday Alan Kirshner comes in the channel. Now Alan is one of my bloggers. Alan does not work for Alpha Omega ministries. Alan was on the program a number of years ago. He and I did an entire hour on The textual variant in Luke chapter 23 father forgive them if they know not what they do.

I have mentioned Alan for example in the second edition of the King James only controversy he is a graduate of Gordon Conwell theological seminary and Alan will tell you I didn't ask him this beforehand I didn't say I was gonna say this but Alan will tell you that years ago when he Told me in channel, but he was going to Gordon Conwell I private messaged him and I basically said if you become a liberal heretic, I will beat you to death.

In essence I said look I'll pray for you brother that you stay strong in the midst of what I knew he was to be going through because even though Gordon Conwell is considerably more conservative than fuller theological seminary is I'm a fuller grad for crying out loud and So I know what it's like to do theological education in the context of a warfare of having to fight the fight and It can be discouraging at times but I Know I'm awfully thankful.

That's what Lord had me do because I cannot tell you how many times in my ministry since then I Have been in the in the best Position to respond to the claims of liberalism because been there done that got t-shirt.

There was the books. I had to read those the professors. I had I Had to fight that fight before so Anyway, I he'll tell you that I told him that I said, I'll be praying for you. Don't you dare get you know?

Liberal on me and So anyway Obviously he did some pretty high-level Classes and in the process some Gordon Conwell did some You know Various schools will cooperate with other schools and offer Classes where you can take it for credit in either neither program and things like that.

And so he took some classes from Eldon up now Eldon up is a big name in textual criticism in the United States. Now I guess what mr. Pinto does not seem to understand is that you can learn from liberals.

Once you learn what their presuppositions are they are frequently very good on facts just not really good on conclusions. They can be very careful scholars. But it's the worldview that you filter that stuff through that makes all the difference and so, you know, I learned a tremendous amount from men in seminary who are not nearly as conservative as I am and I came out a stronger Christian as a result now Eldon Epps a big name I mean other than then probably in the United States amongst conservatives Dan Wallace would be the biggest name.

But amongst others it would be Eldon Eppin. Bart Ehrman so He took classes and in fact even wrote Against some of Epps positions in his research papers. And that's a that's a tremendous Opportunity to have and that gives a person an even greater Opportunity to comment on their claims that you know where they're coming from you can argue better against them, etc, etc.

So Anyway Alan comes into channel yesterday says I can't believe this and He he drops a URL to one of the more one of the most recent Chris Pinto programs. And he says listen from such-and-such a point to such-and-such a point so I did and we're gonna listen and Again what you know what this tells me is That the person who is into conspiracy theories Struggles to think in a proper fashion.

They make connections that the rest of us don't make not because we're too blind to see them but because we recognize That the cause-and-effect issue needs to be taken into consideration. For example It'd be very easy to point out that I went to Fuller Seminary and be very easy to say that Mel White is Associated with Fuller Seminary and therefore it'd be really easy to say that I must have been influenced by pro-homosexual propaganda.

Now ask any one of the people that I've debated in homosexuality. They'll go you're nuts. He's a conservative homophobe, etc, etc. You see the conspiracy thinker Will just throw out connections and allow Fellow conspiracy thinkers to come up with to let let them think that they made the connections themselves you see they won't actually prove Anything because they know they can't prove that there's an actual cause-effect.

There's an actual influence, etc, etc. They just throw it out there knowing that the people that are sending them the money to keep them on the air are gonna make The connections themselves go. Oh, that's great.

Oh, wow. See and so unfortunately. For example, we're gonna hear That you know, I've worked for the Lockman Foundation, which is true as a critical consultant the New American Standard Bible well The Lockman Foundation allegedly I certainly I haven't even taken the time To verify this one way or the other because it is irrelevant than a rationally thinking person.

Anyways, we're gonna hear that the Lockman Foundation was founded by a Freemason. Now why throw that out there because you know that your people are gonna go. Oh, that's bad. That's bad. Now does that mean something about what I did textual critically with the Lockman Foundation?

No, but you just throw it out there and people who think that way go that's bad. You see and you're gonna hear a bunch of this stuff. Just thrown out there some some of which is just absolutely absurdly ridiculous and then others just laughably ridiculous, so I'm not sure which one of those is worse, but so here's um.

Here's here's Chris Pinto and.

Let's let's let's listen to what what he has to say, but before we go into that I want to respond briefly. Briefly to some comments that I've gotten from you all about dr. James White and comments that he is making on his radio program.

Very interesting. Apparently there's there's a whole flurry of activity that's going on over there now there he says over there.

So I guess one segment talking about William Schnabel and is the flurry of activity over there. Now he's gonna talk about interactions that Alan is have all sorts of other folks one things I need to mention Alan and I do not see eye-to-eye on Many things particularly eschatology.

That's Alan's big thing. I mean his ministries calls eschatos ministries, and he's into all sorts of Eschatological stuff in regards to a Premillennial perspective, you know pre-wrath Post-wrath, I don't even keep up with all that stuff.

I'm not a premillennialist I'm an amillennialist and all of you know I don't argue eschatology. I I just I'm gonna try to read Sam Storm's new book on Amillennialism notice I said try to be honest with you.

It's like 10 hours long am I on my iPod, and I just don't know if I'm gonna get through it. But I'm gonna try because I need to but it's just it's just not my field. It's just you know he's Passionate about it, and I'm as unpassionate about as you can get so There's all these differences but those differences.

And I have other people on The the blog team that are very different from me. I mean Turreton fan is obviously a Presbyterian. I'm not. I mean we could have a long lengthy debate about infant baptism on the blog.

I suppose we wanted to but the idea that some that because someone works with someone else there must be Unanimity of opinions and viewpoints is one of the major failures of the conspirators conspiracy theorists mindset.

You know like ooh Lachlan foundation. Oh Mason's Oh James White. You just put them all together as if can you can you document and Prove any type of influence any type of of result of that well no, but It's still there see and the conspiracy theorist loves it just loves it so Notice it said over there.

I guess that means on this program. There's a flurry of activity. No. There's not I Did one thing about bill it was primarily about bill Schnabel in what else is there other than what we're doing right now?

Which is responding to this? Amazing.

Segment on Pinto's program with his supporters. In preparation for the upcoming debate in December now.

We got that debate is a radio program with Chris Rosenthal on pirate Christian radio by the way. An email.

From one of our supporters named Darlene now this I found.

Really well, I guess the term is reprehensible. What he's gonna. Do is he's gonna let Darlene make these Outlandish and absurd accusations, and then when then when I go well, that's dumb as well. I was just reading an email.

If you're gonna make the accusation mr. Pinto just make them directly. That way you actually have to prove the point and you actually have to be responsible for it. So I found that to be you know I'm playing his actual comments.

The funny thing is he never quotes me in any of this. Never responds to anything. I said about bill Schnabel in Nothing like that, it's just all innuendo and well. You know Darlene says this and and it's just you know we still end up with my white army And my little elves and all sorts of stuff.

It's it's it's it's just amazing.

Who was talking about the connections there. Because apparently connections. Some of you will remember that I did two shows. Several months back about a guy named Alan Kirshner. Alan Kirshner the guy who said on his website that he quote he could be a homosexual Jesuit now.

Here is what Alan said. Pinto had said Alan Kirshner Harvard Divinity Dupe. That's how I started Harvard Divinity Dupe. Because he took some classes there, so I guess I'd be a fuller seminary dupe if you take any classes anywhere with someone you disagree with that makes you a dupe.

And. He goes on and says. The foundation of his argument seems to be that because of his education from Harvard Divinity School. He presents an educated view of the subject and should not be questioned.

But can Harvard University today still be considered an authoritative source for serious theological studies. Are most Christians aware that Homosexual marriage was promoted by the leading figure at the Divinity School Peter Gomes the man known as Harvard's pastor.

And as mr Kirshner's education really taught him anything insightful about the topics of the film. Or as he simply embarrassed himself by speaking about things he Failed to properly investigate to which Alan responded in one line.

Well, I could be a closet homosexual Jesuit. And then he goes on to say. Chris Pinto responded my post and I wrote this past week on his documentary film, etc. Etc, um, even Pinto's gonna say he was joking.

The point is any type of accusation of conspiracy when you don't have to prove anything is easy to make. It's easy to make. It's much harder to prove and serious minded people don't make accusations until they can prove those accusations.

They'll just throw them out there and then just let them hang in the air and let less serious minded people run with it. At that point that's the difference.

This guy Kirshner whose Claim to fame is that he went to.

The Harvard Divinity School. That's never what Alan has claimed for himself. Talk about claim to fame. He doesn't make a claim to fame. His degree is from Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary not Harvard Divinity School.

He took some classes there under Eldon Epp, and that's it. And I believe mr Pinto knows all this. If he does then it's reprehensible for him to misrepresent.

Alan in this way where they teach homosexual Christianity.

Was that taught in in Eldon Epps classes? Was that even discussed in textual critical classes? I? mean I Have a Master of Arts degree in theology with honors from Foley Theological Seminary and I can guarantee you There are things being taught in the main campus ethics classes at Fuller.

That I never heard in my classes in the Phoenix Extension Campus, I never heard him so should I be responsible for those things now, by the way, I did take an ethics class and the professor came from the seminary flew out from California to Phoenix and At one point during that class He came out from behind the podium Came out into the classroom Sat down in a One of the student desks turned it toward me.

I turned toward him the class surrounded us with their desks and we debated abortion because he was for it and I was again it and I can't tell you how many times I Got to give testimony to the truth in Fuller's Fuller seminary because I was the only one who believed it or at least I was the only one who defended it.

I remember very clearly in a New Testament introduction class That after the professor talked about why Fuller had abandoned inerrancy. I put my hand up and said, you know, I often feel like Fuller's token fundamentalist, but this is why I still believe in it and Back then I was given an opportunity to do that.

I don't know that I'd had that opportunity in Fuller any longer but this was the 1980s and I was allowed to give my defense and after that class broke up for a break a Third of the class surrounded me in the hallway and thanked me for saying what they had been afraid to say.

Now, I don't think mr. Pinto has been in any of those situations and I don't think he has asked mr Kirshner if he had the opportunity of doing similar things which Alan testifies that he has Had the opportunity of doing those things, but you see for the conspiracy minded person.

The evil world always must influence the church. The church can never be salt and light if you go to a bad seminary in the sense of theologically to your left. Then you just must have been been destroyed by it.

You couldn't have had any positive. You couldn't stand for the truth there.

Doesn't even seem to give that a second thought and this was under the heavy influence of Peter Gomes.

Gomes who had written his book. What evidence does he have that Alan Kirshner was under any influence from Peter Gomes at all?

Just be wondering about the Bible and homosexuality. It was called the good book and Gomes was actually the professor of Christian morality there and Gomes himself During his time at Harvard. He's since passed away.

Let me because time is I'm going to one point two. So I'm picking it up.

But while he was still alive He came out and openly admitted at one point that he himself was homosexual and he taught homosexual Christianity. Taught that Jesus would approve of homosexual marriage and so on and this is the institution the Divinity School now.

Not just Harvard University, but the Divinity School itself was teaching homosexual Christianity. Before and during the time that mr. Alan Kirshner sought out his education and textual criticism in particular.

So if you go to Gordon Conwell, but you take classes it'll count for both over at Harvard. That means you buy everything that's being taught Harvard. That is absurd. That is not rational thought. That is not rational thought.

That's seeing connections that are not there. We all recognize that. At least we should recognize that if you can't see that then you're not thinking well and. That's unfortunately something we have seen over and over and over again the King James only movement.

Have we not. Remember about two years ago. We had that fellow on called in. What was his what was his name? Where he had put out this whole long webcast about how I had lied my book and then when I pointed out to him the foot notes said everything he said I'd lied about.

And that he was wrong, you know, his response was just this utterly irrational Explosion remember that what was that guy's name? I've gotten the guy's name was anyways. This is this is part and parcel this mindset.

Unfortunately, we've seen it over and over and over again. It's a shame.

From this institution and this environment. This is where he went to learn about New Testament textual criticism. Well, then we find out not only does he have his own website, but he regularly contributes to the Alpha and Omega website of.

James White. I wish he more often contributed. I can't. Well Kenny. Thank you very much. Was the name I. I wish that that Alan would write more often for me because it would be very helpful. All my all my blog guys are very very busy and.

Anyway, but then we discover that in James White's second edition of his King James only controversy his book the second edition He says in his acknowledgements He says quote and Alan Kirshner provided invaluable resources and suggestions from his own Knowledge of the textual critical field.

Which was demonstrated very clearly when we had Alan on the program to discuss the textual history of the variant in Luke chapter 23 in regards to Jesus's words from the cross father forgive them for they know not what they do.

His own knowledge of the textual critical field knowledge that he obtained at Harvard's homosexual Divinity School.

Harvard's homosexual Divinity School. That's absurd. That is reprehensible. It's dishonest. It is meant only to impress the weak minded. Okay, that's just silly. No, it's irresponsible. No effort has been made whatsoever to demonstrate that in the classes that Alan took the crossed over that were at Harvard.

But we're part of his program at Gordon Cobb. No evidence has been even offered or suggested That those classes had anything to do with the promotion of homosexuality or anything like it. This is Reprehensible irresponsible behavior on mr. Pinto's part.

Just all there is to it just all there is to it's indefensible.

It's indefensible now. We're not saying we're not saying obviously that dr. White is pushing homosexual Christianity.

Well, then what are you saying? What are you saying? I? Mean it would be pretty absurd. You everybody knows how strongly I have stood, you know, Barry Lynn John Shelby Spong Justin Lee. I've I've Written books on the subject, but what are you saying?

Well that obviously that I lack the critical Understanding that that I shouldn't be listening to what Alan Kershner says because Alan Kershner has been utterly compromised. By going to Harvard. And what's the assumption of that that anybody who goes to Harvard can't think for themselves.

It the influence can only go one direction. You can't go to the one of these places know what you're gonna be up against and come out still believing. That's the assumption. It is false. It's a false assumption.

Just got to take the arguments apart see what they're based upon. Unfortunately.

Conspiracy theorists don't function in that way and we're not saying that at all because we know that he speaks against it nevertheless. He is working with a guy who's who sought out a very strange Education to learn about New Testament textual criticism in our opinion.

Well, your opinion is worth exactly what your opinion is worth. And since you haven't even admitted and been honest enough to say that Alan's work was done at Gordon Conwell I Will just give that opinion the amount of weight that it's that it's do.

And a guy who jokingly says of himself that he might be a homosexual.

Jesuit which was said in response to your calling him a Harvard Divinity. Dupe. Which one was meant to be serious?

On his website, which I find to be a very bizarre comment in any context whatsoever. Okay. Now now we're seeing here. Because I didn't know who this guy Kirshner was. I had no clue I just find out that he's attacking me and Apparently and then he had been attacking.

So you need to understand something about conspiracy theorists. Any response to them even if they have Insulted you and and thrown out all this stuff about you. If you respond you are attacking them. This is Again, just common.

You see it on the internet all the time. Projection upon your opponents of your own activities it is.

Just the way thing Jimmy D young and Brannon house over at.

At worldview weekend now I don't know what the argument is between Alan and these guys. It has something to do with eschatology and that's why I don't care. Okay, don't even know what the issues are don't care what the issues are.

It's it's. In a realm outside of my interest and it's in a realm outside of my conviction. None of them are so I'll let them fight it out, but it has zippity-doo-dah whatsoever to do with me. You'll notice Alan has put nothing on alpha to make his website about any of the disagreements.

He has an eschatological issues because he knows. He's respectful of the fact that Alpha Omega doesn't promote a particular eschatological viewpoint. We have historic pre-millennialists and we have amillennialists and post-millennialists, yes, we'd probably make a lot more money if we did.

Maybe yeah, I'm a millennial. Sorry. We could steal a bunch of his followers. Yeah.

Anyway. But notice no connection there at all and he was just general attacks at worldview weekend overall.

But here's what Darlene says. Darlene says ah now now let's let Darlene do our our our our slander and libel here. Okay, let's let's let Darlene.

Throw it out this this she's talking about all this flurry of activity going on over there. And she says if I recall Alan Kirshner who works with James White did a broadcast mocking and attacking Jimmy D young and Brannon house.

Then Alan Kirshner who works with James White notice the repetition. I.

Mean, I he knows James White and he's written articles for his website and therefore. They're all just in it together, you know, it's just it's this this mindset is. It's sad to observe, but it is unfortunately extremely.

Prevalent some blogging mocking and attacking John Whitcomb for saying infants go to heaven if they die. So this is now.

Listen. To the quote that finally a quotes gonna give. I think it's the only quote in the whole thing. But a quotes can be given. Listen to what the quote ends up being. It's it's fascinating. One of the things that.

That this guy Kirshner has done. In fact, he wrote an article on this where he said about Whitcomb Quote, he said that he's a quote I hope that he agrees that all babies and children are deserving of wrath meaning God's wrath.

Okay, there's the quote you disagree. So you're a Pelagian. You you believe that children are born without a sin nature. They're not fallen. So you're a Pelagian. Is that what you're saying? I mean, that's all Alan said.

You've got to deal with the reality that death comes to children and death is the result of sin. You've got to deal with that. Now people come up with different ways of dealing with that, but you got to deal with it.

That's a fact and. So if you say something like this for these folks, are you you can't even say that? No, you're attacking somebody. See, it's attack attack attack attack. If you disagree attack attack attack attack.

It the the irrationality of this this entire perspective is amazing apparently disagreeing with.

Dr. Whitcomb's Assertion that if an infant dies It will go to heaven. He or she will go to heaven. And of course, we certainly agree with that view. We look to the example of King David when his child with Bathsheba died at six months old.

David says I will go to him, but he will not return unto me. Where is David going? He says well surely goodness and mercy will follow me all the days of my life. And I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

That's not even very good exegesis itself. I mean when it says I will go to him you and I go to me means he's going to the realm of the dead. That's that's trying to read way too much. I mean that that's a very surface level type of Exegesis in and of itself, but the whole point is everybody if they're serious Anyways has to deal with the reality of on what basis Can mercy and grace be extended to the fallen children of Adam.

If you believe in the federal headship of Adam now Pelagian is just reject it. We've talked about this recently when we responded to some stuff in the Southern Baptist Convention on this subject not get into it today.

But this is a very surface level response, and it's always a bad man because he disagrees with us. Seen it many many times before. Praise the Lord.

The context of when Jesus has let the little children come unto me and forbid them not for such as the kingdom of heaven. For of such as the kingdom of heaven That is the Lord Jesus Christ referring to infants specifically.

So that somehow proves something about infant salvation, okay? Bad exegesis really bad exegesis. It's talking about the kind of faith that a person's to have the faith of a child. Try to make application beyond this ignore the federal headship of Adam stuff like that.

Not not not not. Good presentation mr.. Kirshner apparently. Has failed to consider the whole Council of God, but now there's a guy making fun of the idea apparently of infants going to heaven. All he said was.

Will you agree? that Infants and children are under the wrath of God yes, or no. That's gonna. That's going to tell everybody whether you believe in federal headship whether you believe in original sin whether you believe in total depravity Etc etc.

That's the question. Misunderstanding the question is not the same thing as attacking somebody or mocking somebody if they die.

And then it's then Darlene says then Alan Kirshner Started mocking and attacking Chris Pinto over everything Pinto has ever done.

Yep, yep. I'm sure we can find some place on Alan's website where he he attacks Chris Pinto for walking across the street for hitting a.

Baseball with a baseball that I mean. Come on give me a break. Most especially his research on Sinaiticus and Vaticanus. Actually Alan has responded.

But you see in this mindset in the Darlene world mindset if you respond you're attacking if you don't agree with us. And if you respond to that then you're not attacking because you're on our side. You know the double standards.

Amazing.

She says then James White who works for the Lachman Foundation founded by a Freemason and the writers and creators of the NASB.

Then again. Really news to me. You want to you want to want to try to demonstrate that there's something relevant here. Let's let's say the Lachman Foundation was founded by a Freemason. You want to you want to demonstrate want to bring for some evidence.

Reason logically reason rationally. That's Something that was completely unknown to me. Has anything to do with any of the work I've done. You want to try to do that. They can't do it, and they know they can't do it and and the whole conspiracy mindset functions on.

Never getting any deeper than the absolute surface level because there's nothing below the surface level. There's no consistency. There's no essence.

Whatsoever to the argumentation joined Alan Kirshner in his mocking and attacking of Chris Pinto.

When did I mock Chris Pinto? Remember this is before today. I mean, I suppose you can say I have now because there's some pretty amazing things here. But in the program before we were talking about what William Schnabel and and we were saying you know It's very troubling that anyone would use him as a source so that becomes mocking and attacking see.

Any response any criticism you're mocking you're attacking. But you can talk about Harvard homosexual Divinity School you can you can bring up any type of irrelevant thing and throw it out there specifically for the purpose of Making comments about someone's character or belief.

That's not mocking or attacking.

Double standard. And then she says now a whole host of people have joined the white army in mocking and attacking mainly Pinto and house.

Who what white army how am I supposed to pay these people the white army. I Just. You just have to you just have to. I mean these folks see their enemies behind every bush. It must be a scary life when you when you're a conspiratorialist.

Do you know where the white army is I? Do we have a you know are we paying folks? I don't know about. I it's news to me. It really is. Oh, I I didn't know although.

I will say I think they left one thing out, and it's very important that they should know about this and that is that. We live in Phoenix. Mm-hmm. And everybody knows about the Phoenix Lights, right?

Yeah, and Arizona borders the state that has area 51. Mm-hmm. We're influenced by the aliens, too.

You know. Unfortunately you just convinced at least three people in the audience of the truthfulness of that state. The white army. Yes the white army which is based out of area 51.

And trained by Jesuits at Harvard there we go. In an apparent effort to tear them down in order to help dr. White look better for his upcoming debate with Pinto. There you go there. There you go.

I mean and now we're gonna get into the real reason for this accusation what we're gonna hear is That this is all about the debate in December. Okay, and and I'm needing to make myself look good. Yeah, yeah, you didn't even know about did you just I'm just before the program.

I played this thing I played this for rich and I come walking in. I'd Gone to get a drink of water or something like that, and I came walking in. He goes um I'm looking at the calendar. I don't have anything about a debate and to say what are you talking about.

I had to tell him Oh Chris rosebuds Gavin's on the program, and we're gonna discuss this Sinaiticus stuff. I said oh, I don't even know about so if you're in charge of the army I mean I Don't know it's just People think we're just this huge Massive organization, it's just you and me sitting here.

Yeah, that's it. You know that that's all there is to it. It's I think it's great that people think we're we have all this influence. That's great. That's wonderful.

Apparently Chris Pinto is such a big threat to dr. White that he needs an army of elves to prepare for the battle. An army of elves now.

I'm really hoping I am really hoping we're talking here the elves from Lord of the Rings. Not the elves from like cartoons and stuff. You know there are these little bit of nothing because the elves in the Lord of the Rings.