Announcement on Family & Parenting

This is Apologetics Live. To answer your questions, your host from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rappaport.

Well, we are live, but late is what we are. Yeah, folks, sorry, we're having some tech issues that we've been trying to work backstage because it's really kind of bad that we have a guest on, and we're getting a lot of strange noise on the mics.

We don't know what it is. We are trying to figure out. It could be the tech that I have because, as you can see, I have a new camera angle. I've made some changes with the cameras. And because of that, I was thinking, is it my end?

That's, of course, where I blamed it. But it may not be on my end. And so we're trying to figure that out. I'm going to bring in our guests just to those in the audience. I'm going to have to ask you to listen to hear if you hear it, if you're hearing anything or just us.

But yeah, let me bring A .M. Brewster in.

Let's see if this will work. I'm here, and I'm unmuted. Do I sound like a normal human being or do, you know? It sounds okay. All right. If I pull my microphone closer, does that make it worse, better?

It's like getting your eyes.

Checked. A or B? I just got my eyes checked, and that's what they were saying. Okay. People are saying they can hear. No noise. So we're going to pray. We didn't even pray before we got the show started, which we usually do.

See, Drew's going to come in late, so we're going to blame Drew because Drew isn't here. Everything fell apart. That's my story. I'm sticking with it. A .M. Brewster, welcome. We've never started a show this way, I don't think, in the, I don't know how many years we've been doing this, over 200 episodes.

It's always my fault. No, remember, we agreed, it's Drew's fault. It's always Drew's fault. So let me start. Welcome, folks, to Apologetics Live. This is the Ministry of Striving for Eternity. I'm your host, Andrew Rappaport.

If you have any questions about God and the Bible, we can answer them here. If you doubt that, if you question, you think there's, you have some question that I cannot answer about God and the Bible, well, my challenge to you is go to ApologeticsLive .com.

Just scroll down to the little duck icon for StreamYard, join us, ask your most difficult question, and when I say I don't know, just remember, I think that's a perfectly good answer. So with that, today what we want to talk about is parenting, family and parenting.

But I mentioned an announcement that I was going to make. And so what I want to do right out of the get-go is to introduce A .M. Brewster. I'm going to refer to him as Aaron,.

Because that's actually his name. My mother would be happy if you used the name she gave me, you.

Know. Yeah, yeah. But Aaron, you are going to start to see more often with Striving for Eternity. You'll see him up on the website. And because eventually when he gives us all his information, hint, hint.

Yeah, I know, I know. It's Drew's fault. It's Drew's fault. OK, we're blaming that on Drew also. So Aaron will be one of our newest speakers at Striving for Eternity, where his area of expertise is in counseling with family and parenting.

And that is what we're going to discuss today. So if you guys are listening and you go, hey, I'm hearing some real brilliance coming from Aaron. I would love to get him to our church. Well, we would love to make that happen.

You could just email email us at either info at Striving for Eternity dot com or speakers at Striving for Eternity dot com. And that will get the information to us. And we'll if you're saying, hey, I really want to get Aaron, we'll get you Aaron.

Now, we eventually get him up on the website where you can actually book him and come out right from the website. But we're not ready yet because we need his bio and picture and things. So but for folks that don't know you, Aaron, if you wouldn't mind introducing yourself to the audience and then and then let's get into.

Discussing family and parenting topics. Yeah. OK, great. Well, my name is Aaron Michael Brewster. A .M. Brewster just was was branding. We like the way it sounded. And you notice, like all the theologians, you know, they like A .W. Tozer and all those guys always in the first initials.

Right. And then their last name. And so I can't make me sound smart. I don't know that it's worked. So, you know, we'll see. But, yeah, please, by all means, call me, Aaron. I am.

If you're going to do that, you need the British accent, too, because that. And you, by the way, one of our members, a supporter of ours on YouTube, is familiar with you because I see this. Jason Cave says TLP in the house.

Oh, yeah. Mr. Brewster knows TLP. So we're going to get right. That's where, by the way, Shane Shane White is wishing us a good morning. So he he must be on the other side of the world. Wait, wait. That can't be because I thought the I thought the world was flat.

Silly me.

No, no. He's he's hanging on for dear life on the bottom where the sun is right now.

I don't get this one. Facebook user, by the way, whoever Facebook user is, you got to got to go to a politics live dot com. And there's instructions so we can see your name. But.

I'm just going to tell you, I can tell you right now why Andrew doesn't get this. I can't. Punky Brewster. So Andrew does not understand pop culture references. He grew up. They didn't have a TV. He lived on a cave.

Punky Brewster was it was a TV show, man. The main character was it was it was a little girl. And she went by went by punky.

Well, I you know, I I don't know, folks, if I'm going to call him punky. Oh, my word. Girl, because I know my martial arts background and I know Aaron's martial arts background.

And I think he could take me. Don't call me punky. It's bad for your health. I'm just saying. Shane, I get I get that you can only think of punky Brewster. That makes all the sense in the.

World. Shane, Shane says he's from Australia and see my my regular audience. See, they say nice things about me. They say I'm old. Thank you. Just popped right up there, didn't it? Couldn't do anything about it.

So so, yes. So, you know, for punky Brewster, Shane watched when he was a kid. Look, I know others are getting in on bandwagon. Probably had probably had a crush.

On punky, honestly, when he was growing up. If he's being honest, he probably did.

Look who decided to show up. Oh, Drew. Drew, welcome. You know, we had all your fault. And we decided it's all your fault. Thank you for joining. It is your fault. We had technical.

Issues, but. Oh, well, you know, I take credit where I can, whether it's good or bad.

All right. So so, Aaron, you were getting ready to introduce yourself as or as one of our newer newest speakers at Striving for Eternity so folks can get to know a little bit about you. Introduce also your ministry with what was just said is TLP, but Truth, Love, Parent.

Might as well spill the beans on that. But. Yeah, there are actually still many names to remember. There'll be a quiz afterward. Make sure you guys get this straight. OK, so here we go. So I am the president.

Good. Take notes. I am the president of Evermind Ministries. Evermind Ministries has multiple ministries that are all have the exact same mission. We want to keep God's word at the center of the human experience.

And we say it that way, center of the human experience, because we our lives are so varied and multifaceted. Right. So we want to so we have the various ministries that are part of Evermind are all focused on keeping God's word at the center of that facet of your daily life, your your human experience, if you put it that way.

The one of the first ones that was created was a ministry called Truth, Love, Family. And the TLP, the Truth, Love, Parent that you're hearing, if you're not familiar with it already, is the podcast, the first podcast that we created that was part of Truth, Love, Family.

So there we go. So we've got Truth, Love, Family and the podcast Truth, Love, Parent. And we have over 500 episodes where we discuss all things parenting, how we can worship God better as parents. That's something that Andrew and I have talked a lot about.

What exactly does that mean? You know that worshiping God through our parenting. Then there were a couple other ministries that have been added since then. And by the way, Truth, Love, Parent and Truth, Love, Family have been around since 2016.

So that's been a little while. And then the next one that came up was called The Year-Long Celebration of God. And it also has a podcast called The Celebration of God. And that's specifically about keeping God's truth at the center of really our personal discipleship and worship.

And again, there's that idea of worship. What is worship? Is that just the songs that we sing on a Sunday or does it mean something else? And then the next one that came along the line was Faith-Free Biblical Counseling and Discipleship.

Andrew mentioned earlier that I'm a biblical counselor. And so what does that mean? Well, really when you step back and you look at it biblically, I believe that the idea of a pastor, a parent, a discipler, someone in the church who's engaging in the one another, really you're all doing, and a biblical counselor, are all doing the exact same thing.

Just doing it within different relationships. So that's what Faith-Free Biblical Counseling and Discipleship gives me an opportunity to do two things. Number one, to work with individuals who are looking for help.

You might call it crisis counseling. But then also individuals who are just looking to take their next steps in their progressive sanctification and their discipleship and become more like Christ. But then on the other side, one thing that I get to do is work with counselors.

So sometimes I'm training counselors more broadly, people who want to learn more about biblical counseling. But I'm also having the opportunity to work with people specifically. As Andrew mentioned earlier, my background in biblical counseling really primarily has been on the family side of things.

I also worked in a boys home for at-risk teens for a number of years. And so the hard cases, the ugly stuff, the stuff that we don't like to talk about that involves family and children and parenting and marriages, the stuff that I kind of have my specialty in.

So oftentimes I'll work with other biblical counselors who have a case that's kind of outside their wheelhouse, and they'll connect with me, and we'll talk about ways to proceed and things like that. And then the other, the final ministry.

So there's Truth, Love, Family, the year-long celebration of God, Faith-Free Biblical Counseling and Discipleship. And the last one is just AM Brewster Ministries, which has been up until now my speaking and my traveling side of things.

And I'm super excited really to be partnering with Striving for Eternity. I have had the opportunity now to get to know Andrew over a number of years. I believe it's been years now, if I remember correctly.

I have to go back and look at the dates when we first connected. A mutual friend of ours got us connected, and the podcast was put onto the Christian Podcast Network or .network. I did it again. I always want to say network.

Community, there we go. Sorry. See, I got to work that out because I got to be able to say it the right way. Otherwise, well, of course, that's better than what I did the last time where I call it the Christian Parenting Community.

I just can't get it right. One of these days, I'm going to call like the Communist Podcast Community or something. It's just going to be awful. Oh, my word. Anyway, yeah. So the podcast went on to the Christian Podcast Community and then had the opportunity to be on a number of theology throwdowns.

And then even though Andrew and I have talked and texted and done the theology throwdowns or whatever for a while now, we actually had the first opportunity to meet face to face in person. It's weird when you're meeting somebody for the first time that you've known for a long time.

Really kind of strange. But we had a chance to do a family conference in northern Indiana together, which was awesome, very recently. And then as of late, Andrew invited me to consider and pay about the opportunity of partnering with Striving for Eternity to really to sharpen both ministries to have a bigger impact on people and super excited about doing that.

So I'm looking forward to it. I don't know what else he's going to rope me into, but it'll be a surprise. Well, you know, the first time we met,.

You actually thought I was going to be much shorter because my camera was so high up.

You know, I thought you were going to be taller is what I thought.

So, so one of the things I should have started with this, but because we started kind of awkward, so I had been mentioning for a couple weeks we were going to have the Essential Church documentary discussed this week.

There's been some issues. So we we are not doing that with just some conflicts that scheduling and whatnot. So so we weren't going to do that. I'm hearing the noise come back, I think. Oh, no.

And now it's gone. So blame it on me. Blame it on me. Yeah.

So I hope hope we don't have that. So Shane, Shane from Australia said to me, texting really quick. He said he's on his phone. He doesn't have data to keep watching. So he's going to he's a parent himself.

So he's interested to watch later. So by the way, Katie just realized that my initials you're giving your initials. She's like, my initials are A-R-R. So she's asking, is R a pirate?

Yeah, totally. That's totally a pirate thing. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Right there. So it looks like it looks like Pastor Darren Sneed finally figured out how to see get his name working. He was the Facebook user that we saw before. So, yes, Pastor Darren, we can see it.

There you go. So let's talk. I did tell Drew, I said, hey, look, let's do for this week, why don't we do an intervention with Drew and parenting? And Drew is like, good, I need help.

Did you even have kids? Yeah, I've got two. I've got a three year old and a one year old.

Oh, nice. Yeah, there's not much you can do for that. Sorry.

Okay. Now I don't feel bad because I'm like, what am I doing wrong?

They're little pagans. They can't even understand the English language. It's rough. It's a rough.

Spot to be in. Yeah. So what we're going to do is we're going to give some counseling advice to Drew, explain everything he should be doing right. And I mean, that sounds fair, right, Drew? Yeah. Okay, let's do that.

Even though, even though my kids are at that age now where they're figuring stuff out, right, everything's still kind of new. And then my three year old is always pushing the boundaries. It's like, I want to touch this, but I know I'm going to get my hand slapped, but I'm going to do it anyway.

And then I'm going to do it after I get my hand slapped. And, you know, but, you know, some things to expect when they get older or as they, as they get older, that I can implement or things that I can start implementing now to.

Get them used to it. Actually, what's funny is that so much doesn't change what you just said. When I, when I was working at the boys home, they would do something and I would say to them.

I realize one thing we have to do, we got to stop Aaron because he mentioned things in his past that he doesn't give any context to. So first off, he did mention the Theology Throwdown podcast. That's a podcast on the Christian podcast community.

He mentioned that. What boys home?

Sorry. Yeah, no, I mentioned it earlier. Yeah. This, this obscure boy, no, Victory Academy for boys up in the Northern woods of Wisconsin hour and a half past green Bay, which puts out about three hours past nowhere.

Yeah. It's actually a fantastic ministry. Loved it was there with my family for five years, the opportunity to be the lead residential counselor there. And I was also the director for a short time before we had to move.

And we moved for a number of reasons. One of them was actually my wife's health. My wife does not do well with extreme cold. And you can imagine that that doesn't mix if you live in the Northern part of Wisconsin.

So but anyway, I love the ministry. Absolutely fantastic. So while we're there, we would have anywhere from up to eight at risk teens living in the home with us at any given time. And we'd have one to three resident assistants, depending on the year and who we could get.

And so these boys were coming in from all of the United States, and they would live in the home for nine months to 12 months. Sometimes we have a boy come back the following year, that actually happened on a number of occasions, and really an amazing, unique ministry.

And I love it primarily because a lot of the you know, all of the biblical counseling I do happens across a desk or across a coffee table or across a screen, right? But that happened in the house. It was it really changed for biblical counseling, more so just the parenting, you know, from a relational standpoint, because now it was okay, instead of taking God's word and saying, you're going to need this later this week, when you encounter these things that we've talked about, you're going to need to remember this.

It was here in the moment, in the kitchen, in the hallway, in the bedroom, saying, all right, whoa, whoa, whoa, there's an issue here. Let's deal with it in a Christ honoring way. It was really great, that life on life practical in the moment stuff.

So really loved that. I even try to take that model and put it into what I'm doing with my biblical counseling. There were a couple occasions where I basically would go over to my counselee's home, and I would just be there during key times of their day.

You know, let's just say, hypothetically speaking, there was a situation with a husband and a wife, you know, after work, there's always this really hot button time. And so I would be there in the home, I'd have dinner with them, I'd be there throughout the course of the evening, not necessarily like a guard dog, or some sentinel standing there.

But to be there, to be a sounding board, to be there to help them step through conversations and to do things in new ways. And I would do that for a couple weeks, and then kind of send them off on their own.

It's just really kind of a different way of approaching it, but I found it really very powerful. Which, when you think about it from a biblical perspective, discipleship in that time period was life on life.

Jesus and the disciples, Paul traveling with the people with whom he traveled, that's where you just couldn't escape that. And in our society here in America in particular, I'm sure it's the same in Australia and other places, we go to church, we see each other in professional settings, we have our little drawer of church approved things that we talk about.

And we can hide, we can hide our ugly stuff in the car and at home and other times, and nobody ever really sees it. But being in that constant life on life scenario really makes it easier for us to have those conversations about what's really going on in our lives.

And I think it's a really beautiful thing.

Counseling a Child Who Believes the Transgender Lie

Yeah, yeah. So one thing, I mean, Melissa, for you, Drew, Melissa says, wait till you have teenagers. But here's a question that came up, this would probably be good for you to answer, Aaron, is how would you counsel a child slash teenager who is believing the transgender lie?

This is something I think a lot of parents now have to deal with that we've never had to consider. When I went to seminary, that was never something we had to deal with counseling-wise. So how can.

We counsel someone with that? I haven't been able to tell already. My answers tend to be very robust. I'm trying. So folks, this means instead of Anthony time,.

We're going to have Aaron time. Either way, we're noticing the same trend, but go ahead. As they know, Aaron time, Anthony time is when he goes over the two-hour mark, you know. Oh, okay. I'm not there yet.

Yeah. At this rate, you'll get there. Don't worry.

The real issue is oftentimes to pull back a little bit further. If somebody is believing a lie, it's for one of two reasons. Either A, that's the only information they have, or B, they're refusing to believe the truth.

And that's for people who have heard the truth and who have rejected it and gone for the lie. We see this in Romans chapter one. They knew something, they had information, but they threw it out, they rejected it, and they embraced and they followed after these things that weren't true.

And so if I'm working with somebody who they're a worldling, they've grown up in a secularized environment, they've never been to church, they don't really know anything more about God and the Bible than they see characterized in their TV shows and songs, then it doesn't surprise me that they're believing the lie because that's the only information that they have.

But most of the people with whom I work are people who are professing Christians, or at least the children are children of professing Christians. They've gone to church and things like that. And that's a very different scenario because it's not just that they're only just latching onto what they have.

They've made a choice to reject something else. And that's really where I like to start. I tell parents when they come for help, really any counsel, it's true of them. That big thing that we think is the issue is only part of the problem.

It's presenting fruit, but generally speaking, there's something far more fundamental deep down. So a teenager, for example, let's just say a teenager who perhaps has grown up in the church or has had enough exposure, whether in the home or the church, to know the truth.

The truth being that God created you just as you are. He did not make any mistakes. I mentioned my wife's health earlier. She has a genetic disorder. Now that's a result of living in a fallen world. That's the way it is.

But God in his sovereignty has allowed my wife to experience this. This is not somehow outside of his control. Oh, he messed up. Oh, I didn't see that coming. No, no, no. We know this about God. He's allowed this to happen for his glory and for my wife's good.

For me to say of her condition, this is stupid, this is bad, God shouldn't have allowed this to happen, really is me calling God a liar. But what I know from the scriptures, and the same would be true for our biological sex.

So I would want to talk with the parent, talk with the individual, find out what they know about God and find out why they're choosing to reject it, because that's where I want to start. Why, if God is who he says he is, if he's done what he said that he's done, why are we rejecting it?

And the answer to that question is going to be very important. And there are lots of different answers that people can give. Oh, they just think he's a fairytale. Oh, that's my parents' religion. Well, if God really did exist, and they think there's some, like, they caught God in some conundrum, and therefore he can't possibly exist because he can't be good and all-powerful, and whatever other reasons may, there are lots of reasons that people will reject the truth.

But that's the key thing we need to talk about. And oftentimes, that has nothing to do with gender. It has nothing to do with sexuality. It has to do with who God is, and what he says in his word, how trustworthy his word is.

And that's where we'd have to start.

Yeah, you know, it's interesting that you mentioned, and I highlight this for folks to consider, is a lot of the issue that we have with the whole transgender movement is, and I'm going to just see some, okay, so I muted Drew, and the noise went away.

I muted myself, though, too, about the same time.

Yeah, okay. No, I muted him after, so I wasn't sure. I don't know if it's my new setup. It very well could be. So we're going to have to test this out. But, yes, Aaron's pointing to Drew. Drew, you see why Aaron fits in so well with this group?

On my screen, I was pointing at you. On my screen, I was pointing at you.

On my screen, you're pointing to Drew, and that's appropriate.

Hold on, look at what Darren says. Noise always goes away when you mute Drew. Thanks, Darren.

Love you, bud. That's a good friend of yours, by the way. So, you know, one of the things we have to consider when it comes to the transgender issue, and this actually is more than this. This really comes into a whole bunch of issues, is the idea of contentment.

And I think it was Isaac Watts that wrote a book on contentment. Drew, you probably know because you're—well, actually, Chris Huff would know. If Chris is watching, he's the Isaac Watts expert, right?

But I believe he's got a book on contentment, and that's really an issue I think we don't talk enough about within Christianity. And what you just said, Aaron, is really the thing. When someone is biologically male and thinks they're female or vice versa, what you end up dealing with is you're dealing with someone who is not content with the way God made them.

And Drew, I'm just going to mute you until you talk. We'll have to do that just for the tech issues. I don't know what's causing it, but folks, I mean, what Aaron just said, when we sit there and say, well, God, you made a mistake.

There's got to be something. I didn't get my way, as if God is not capable of creating just the way he wants things created. And that's really what I think we find so often is that we are not content with what God has provided.

And that is something that over and over again we can see in a lot of different areas of life when people are complaining. They're complaining because they're saying somehow God didn't give what we expected, what we want.

And what are we doing? At those moments, we're putting ourselves above God. So really, as a counselor, when you're counseling, one of the things you're first taught with counseling is you almost are never dealing with the actual issues that people are raising.

This is what Aaron was getting to. You have to get to the root cause. What's the real issue? And that is something that you end up finding. It's always an issue where it's the issue you think it is, is not the issue it is.

And so you have to dig in to find out what it is. So the issue of when someone's saying, well, I identify as an opposite gender, well, you know, I start looking into their idea of contentment. Are they content with what God provides for them in their walk in life?

Because when they're content with what God, that God knows everything, He doesn't make mistakes, and He created them the way He did for whichever purpose. Well, that kind of reveals the mindset we'd have to have with some of this issue.

So Aaron, a question that I do have for you is when we say you're a counselor, what type of counseling do you do? We refer to a biblical counselor, which basically everyone calls themselves a biblical counselor, except for the people that are completely secular.

But there's a lot of different realms. Are you an.

ACBC counselor? What's your style of counseling? Yeah, so ACBC is the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors. Formerly they were NANC, and they were started, really the idea of biblical counseling was kind of coined and started by Jay Adams.

And yes, I am ACBC certified. No, I don't know anything about ACDC, never even listened to them, so don't even try the jokes. The Punky Brewster person's going to be like, did he say ACDC?

For the record, I actually know who ACDC is. It's the difference between plugging into the wall and a battery. It's a band that was back in the, it'd be in the 80s, 70s, 80s. I think that's.

Right. I never listened to them, so I don't know. Yeah, the late 70s and all throughout the 80s. I think they're actually still going now. One of their, I think it was Angus, who is their guitar player, had dementia or something like that, mental breakdown.

Okay.

Speaking of counseling. Yeah, so the idea is that God's word is sufficient. Now, like you said, everyone calls themselves a biblical counselor. You hear words like Christian counselor, a counselor who happens to be a Christian, whatever else.

And really what you're going to find is on one extreme, you've got people who are using secular methodologies, all of the stuff that Freud, Skinner, all of the people that you would imagine. On the other side, you've got people who are using God's word as sufficient for everything that we need for life and godliness.

And then you've got a continuum of people all really throughout the middle. And oftentimes, somebody who calls himself a Christian counselor tends to kind of fall somewhere further on this spectrum. But then again, it's all just terminology.

It's hard to really nail people down the way it used to be. Really, what I encourage people to do is to take God at his word, the fact that he has given us everything that we need for life and godliness.

Now, people will say, well, the Bible doesn't teach you how to put a carburetor on your vehicle. The Bible doesn't teach you how to throw a front kick in the martial arts. The Bible doesn't teach you two plus two.

And that's true. It doesn't. But I tell people this, that what the Bible does and it does teach us many things. What the Bible does for everything in life is it teaches us how to do the thing that we're doing in a way that pleases the Lord.

And really, that ends up being the case so often when people come for counseling. It's really not the thing. The thing itself either is clearly addressed in scripture. And if it's not clearly addressed in scripture, it doesn't really matter.

The question is, are we glorifying God as we're doing it? That's the key thing. Now, I will also say this because it's something that people always bring up. Well, Aaron, yeah, but mental disorders, I mean, these are health problems, right?

You go to a doctor for health problems. And I would agree that you go to a doctor to take care of your physiological body, your biological body. And I will say that people have physiological issues that manifest themselves in lots of different ways.

Again, my wife being a perfect example, she has physiological issues. And going to a biblical counselor is not going to help her with her genetic disorder, but it will help her to glorify God as she's dealing with her genetic disorder.

I recently was meeting with a group of men who all have various forms of stage four cancer. And we did a series called Suffering Well. And the whole point was that we can't avoid suffering in this life, but we can suffer in a way that pleases the Lord.

Still, some people might hear what I'm saying. They might say, yeah, but what if somebody has a mental disorder or mental illness and they're depressed or they're anxious or they're doing something that Christians would say is a sin?

And I'll just be fair right off the bat, we don't have time to answer those questions. But I will say this, we don't want to call something a sin that God doesn't call a sin. At the same time, we don't want to say that something's not a sin if God calls it a sin.

So the biblical counselor works hand in hand with medical doctors. We want to make sure that you're physically healthy, that your body's working the way that it should. But whether it's working the way that it should or not, God's given us everything that we need for life and godliness to escape every temptation to please him and glorify him in every situation.

The biblical counselor desperately wants to help you do that. Yeah. And I think that one of the things when we.

Talk about biblical counseling, it's got to be rooted in scripture, right? I mean, this is there's a lot of people that just say they're Christian counselors, they use secular means of counseling, they just happen to be Christian.

So I'm glad you brought that out. Let me just, one of our other Christian podcast community members posted this, Aaron, this is Rebecca from One Little Candle. She says, I witnessed firsthand Aaron's passion and wisdom for biblical family counseling would highly recommend.

So there you go. Didn't know that much. Yeah. So that was from Rebecca from One Little Candle. Now, Dee is saying, unfortunately, here in California, the child is rushed into taking hormone therapy that will destroy them for the rest of their life.

Actually, no, Dee, it's even worse there in California, because in California, a bill that just went to the Senate this week, I don't know if the Senate has voted on it yet or not, but a bill that has gone to the Senate is one that would basically say that if you as a parent misgender your child, it is now considered child abuse and the child could be removed from your home.

So let me be really clear. Any Christian parents, sorry, let me widen that, any common sense parents in California, get out, get out of that state before they take your kids. Like this is no longer, hey, we could just live in the state and disagree with what, no, no, they are purposely wanting to cause a division between you and your children.

The school system will be happy to help with the child to get them taken out of your home. So if you want to see your children, if you want to raise your children, then you need to get out of that state.