Dead Men Walking Podcast Greg Moore & Jason Hamlin Episode 6

COVID-19, Public Health Numbers, and Trusting the Lord

Exploring theology, doctrine, and all of the fascinating subjects in between, broadcasting from an undisclosed location, Dead Men Walking starts now. Well hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of Dead Men Walking.

I'm your host Greg Moore. I just want to say thank you guys so much for listening, for following on YouTube and Instagram and Facebook, and for downloading on Apple and Google Play and Spotify and all the places you find our podcasts.

The response has been overwhelming, I do appreciate it. Well I think we have a semi-announcement today. I think we drafted, finally I drafted Jason Hamlin to be the co-host of Dead Men Walking. So right, hello there.

Where's the claps? Hold on, hold on, ready? Let's go. Nope, that's laughter. That would be better. Jason Hamlin, our co-host. This is high school all over again. Right, but I think we have drafted him into into being a co-host, so you're gonna hear a lot more of Jason as we go forward.

So how you doing brother? I'm doing awesome. Yeah? Yeah, things uh. How's your week been? It's been great. I mean here we are still in COVID -19 land. Yeah. You know still trying to get through and figure out exactly what's going on.

I'm still holding out on, you know, waiting on to see what's going on with all the numbers, the actual numbers. Sure. Hopefully we can actually get some true real numbers from this whole thing because I'm pretty sure, didn't the CDC just come out with some.

I think they came out with new numbers. And you know. No one's numbers match either. Yeah, nothing. Everything's kind of fluctuating. Yeah, and I mean we have things that are, you know, you have people that are dying where they're just putting COVID on it.

Yeah. No matter if it is COVID or not. Yeah. It's like, wait a second, wait, what? You can't really call pneumonia. Well. You know and cross, but they're getting paid to do that so. Well here's, here's the issue is not only do I first hand knowledge of that, I have secondhand knowledge of that.

Here where I live in the county I live. I am a county commissioner so I'm in contact with our health director and things like that. Our very first case that we, that we classified as COVID -19, the gentleman had underlying issues.

He had diabetes, heart disease, some other issues and we just classified it as linked to COVID -19. Okay. And when I questioned the health director they said, well we tested positive for COVID -19 but we don't know if that's the cause of death.

So anyone who tests positive and they die, that's the cause. Wow. Which, which is a, you know, maybe a little misleading if it's not clarified for people. They just assume it's, you know, oh they caught this virus and then died from it.

And then I have a friends, two friends that are nurses, a nurse, registered nurse and then also a doctor, a good friend of mine. And they said that's kind of the same thing. If there's any type of respiratory issue, they just classify it as COVID -19 because they say they don't have the test and then move on from there.

Okay. Which, you know, it's, it's, it's unfortunate because looking back on this we really won't be able to tell if we're not, you know, classifying these correctly, we won't be able to tell. Right. You know, where people were actually affected, who had it, how it was transmitted, you know, miss, miss diagnosing the cause of death can really cause problems as we study this virus in the future.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not quite sure why we're doing that yet. I mean, there's all kinds of theories about it. Lots of conspiracy, a lot of conspiracy theories, which I mean, which isn't helping anything.

Which, you know, there's, there's truth to some conspiracy theories. There's, you know, there's not truth to some other ones. I think we have to use discernment and everything we look at, you know, when I look at the COVID -19, I see, you know, studies coming out that say, you know, mortality rate now is 0 .1 to 0 .4 fatality rate, excuse me, survival rates in the 99 and a half percent, because they, a lot of people have already been infected with it, but have already, you know, autoimmune to it or antibodies and don't show any signs.

Right. And this study came out of USC in LA County, which isn't exactly known for being conservative. It's a pretty, you know, not, you'd hope that science isn't political, but unfortunately we've seen that it can become political on both sides, numbers and stats and polls and scientific research.

So they're estimating that 70 of the population has been infected with it. I mean, that's huge. And they say most of those have no, no symptoms, which drops that more, you know, that fatality rate down to less than one half of 1%.

Right. My, my wife in December came down with this weird, this cough, you know, in this, in this, she started, I want to say she had a little bit of a fever, but, but she still says to this day that she survived COVID, you know?

So I know it was like, it went through her through the salon that she works at. Yeah. You know, and everybody had this weird thing, just random, weird cough. And I mean, who knows what it was? I know a lot of people that think they had it in late November, early December, December.

If you think back to December, I remember how many people had this just, they just kept calling it a real bad flu. Yeah. You know, and they classified anything with respiratory issues as the flu, right?

Because they didn't know, had no idea. So, I mean, it's crazy. It's, it's also, you know, it's, it's a great lesson on just trusting in the Lord as well. Yeah. Because we've seen, I mean, just fear and anxiety, enter the public sphere just instantly, overnight, over something you can't see, you know, something like a virus.

And I think it just really lets us focus that much more, put our attention to trusting in the Lord, instead of trusting in our own might, our own science, you know, our own understanding. But yeah, so way to start out with a downer there.

Sorry. Sorry. That's, you know, and I just fed right into it. I'm just kidding. I'm messing with you. Yeah, like I can throw I could throw a few more things in there if you want. No, I won't. How's your daughter?

All right. Oh, Emsley. Jane is amazing. Yeah, a couple months old, a little over a month. She is three months old on Sunday. Wow. I want to say something like that. But yeah, but yeah, I mean, she's, she's starting to do little giggles.

Yeah, a little laughs. And yeah, she laughs at me all the time. You know, just like our audience did there for a moment. No, I'm just joking. But uh, but yeah, man, she's awesome. She, she threw up on me before I showed up here had to change my shirt.

Nice. Which was cool. You know, it's all good. Baby love. Yeah. Which what shirt are you? Are you wearing that shirt tonight for tonight's subject? Yeah. Sola scriptura. I decided to go ahead and throw on.

The Five Solas and the Reformation

Yeah. One of the five solas. So that's what we're gonna be talking about tonight. Yeah. Yeah. We wanted to get into the five solas kind of history of where they came from. Where they're found in scripture.

What are they? Yeah. Some people aren't familiar with them. I had no idea what they were. Probably about a year ago. Yeah. And even now, I mean, like, it's such a deep subject. I mean, it's, you can go so far into that.

I mean, yeah, yeah, five souls is amazing. Well, it's weird for me because I grew up with some of them being taught to me but not being called that. Okay. You know, when when I was younger, it was well, the Bible is the inspired Word of God.

That's what we listened to. That's, that's our authority and nothing else. Right. But I was, you know, we were talking about sola scriptura, but that term never came up. Or where or why do we believe that?

I didn't even know until I got much older that there was other denominations and other religions within the Christian heading that believe differently. You know, Catholics, for instance, have church tradition, and the scriptures that they say define that are both authoritative.

Yeah, which we can get into that discussion because that one's that one's kind of a head twister where they say, well, one doesn't supersede the other. But essentially, church tradition does interpret scripture.

So in my mind, I would say your tradition is actually the last authoritative word over scripture if you're a true Catholic, but but we're getting ahead of ourselves. So yeah, so the daughter's doing good.

We're still getting through the COVID -19. COVID. Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, in the Hamlin household, life is good. Yeah, it's good. Us too. We are. Yeah. I mean, are you guys? Have you changed much?

I mean, I know this is your this is the way your life kind of looks already. You guys are homeschooling. And yeah, you know, I'm home from work and I mean, no, I've had a couple deals with real estate go through even during this time stuff that was already on the market that was vacant.

People are purchasing now in real estate, they're purchasing without viewing until they get to an inspection phase and the inspectors can kind of can can have a term that they use that get them into the house that it's essential.

So then, you know, the realtors and the buyers can go at that time. So it's I always find it funny that, you know, free markets will always find a way. Yeah. And it's it's I'm talking to people that are, you know, here in Michigan classified as the non essential, but they're still finding a way to get things done, whether it's virtual or, you know, some, some loopholes created in the executive order.

So for me, it hasn't changed too much. I'm loving, you know, here in Michigan, it was 74 degrees today, sunny. You know, we were outside playing soccer and football and you know, doing all that kind of stuff.

Yeah, planning to build another building here on the property, a garage. So it's kind of talking to a contractor about that just right out here on this on the side, probably like a three car that faces the house, do some finish off the asphalt and stuff like that.

So we but so that kept me busy for a little bit. But yeah, not too much has changed. Did you go up to Lansing the other day? I didn't. Yeah, here in Michigan, I was looking for you in the crowd. I was like, it's great.

No, I had someone reach out to me with his ak 47. You gotta be there Thursday at nine. I said, I might try to make it but I didn't make it up there. Yeah. But yeah, here in Michigan, for those listening outside of Michigan, there was, geez, three, I think three protests now one in front of the governor's mansion, one at the Capitol and then another one at the Capitol.

And we have a whole legal issue going on there. Our legislature did not renew the authority for the governor to extend the executive order. She says she does have the authority without going to the legislature.

They're both referring to two different public acts to back up their claim. And then our house state house submitted legislation that said we have the right to sue you if you do extend. They voted that in she immediately extended to May 28, or the shutdown and non travel between certain places.

And it looks like we're going to be in a court battle for most of the summer. Does this I mean, you know, I know you're you're in positive. I mean, I mean, is this more political? Does it look more political?

Is it more than than, you know, saving lives? I'm like the wrong guy and the right guy to ask. I guess. Okay, I'm the wrong guy. Because I think once you're involved in it, everything becomes political.

Yeah, it's it's so sad. I mean, everyone, and then there's double talk. So they talk one way, but you know, the real reason why why they're doing it. I said from the very get go under public active 1976 in Michigan, she needs to be checked by the legislature.

She's the executive, the legislature, the state House and the state Senate. That's they were voted in by the people now the governor, you know, is voted in by the by the people as well. But they're the voice of the people, especially the house they run every two years, and they're closest to their constituents.

And you have to have a balance of power. You can't have a governor, I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat or any party. They can't have full control of, you know, what's over private business even to have what to do and what to say.

The legislature keeps them in balance. That's, you know, we have the three branches of government for that reason. And I was really worried that the that the Michigan legislature was going to abdicate their power to the governor.

But I'll tell you what, when you have 1000 people show up in a protest, and you know, and kind of voice their opinions online, and, and you have grassroots from both sides of the aisle, really, that are displeased with some of the things that are going on that you're elected representatives, they have to respond.

And they did on April 30, by not extending that. I think both parties, Democrats and Republicans want to see us reopen. And I think both parties want to do it safely. Yeah, I don't think Democrat, I'm not going to demonize Democrats, or Republicans and say, Oh, one just loves business.

And the other one just doesn't want anyone to die, you know. But they have different ways of going about it. But I think too, it's hard for a democratically elect, or, you know, elected Democrat, to go against a Democratic governor.

Yeah. And I think really, when I, I've been in politics long enough, there's some other political stuff going on here. I don't have any firsthand knowledge. But I would say from her actions, our governor, she is vying for a VP slot with Joe Biden, she knows that the more time she gets on camera, the more time she can update.

I mean, even some of her words like my state and my my mind, it's like, well, it's kind of a wee thing, right? It's not just you doing it. I mean, you know, you have state police and sheriff and legislatures and local county governments, all private businesses and business owners all working together.

It's not just because you've decreed something. And then, you know, the solution happens. People have to obey it and, you know, social distance and do all those things. Yeah. So when I look at it, I go, man, I don't know, maybe I'm jaded.

But I think there's some political motivation from our governor there as well. Right. You know, she's already thinking about reelection two years in you normally do as a governor. So yeah, I mean, I, you know, I don't know, just just watching a lot of these small businesses.

Is this Mike going in and out? Yeah, I think we'll be going in and out. Yeah, it was last episode too, but it didn't show up on the recording. So I don't know if I've got something in the corner, but you should be good.

Okay. Um, um, but yeah, just small businesses watching, you know, some of these some of these people that are losing their businesses that know that they're not going to be able to reopen, you know, or there's way too many.

Way too many. Just what's the word I'm looking for here? Restrictions and sure and the way you're going to run your business by wearing face masks and face shields gloves, you know, changing your your gown every, you know, you're you're covering at at Mandy's salon, my wife's salon, they're gonna have to wear a face mask, a shield, wear a covering, you know, like they're cutting hair.

Yeah. And, but they're gonna have to change that every single person that comes in, they're gonna have to change it. And it's like, man, oh, man, like how much extra money is she gonna have to pay? That's her business.

So it's like, how much money are we gonna have to pay to have all of this extra? Yeah, you know, so it's well here and here's the argument that you get because the argument in the United States politically now has really been emotion versus logic.

And you get that a lot even in Christianity to what I feel versus what is true, right, right. And in politics, you know, the left is very good at emotionally driven arguments. And sometimes that's good.

Like you have to have empathy for people to also help legislate. And then the right usually uses facts and logic a little bit more heavy and say, well, no, this is the issue. We should do things by what the reality of what it is not what it feels like.

Obviously, I tend to lean more towards logic and fact and truth. And the reason why is because biblically, you know, Jeremiah says, Do not trust your heart or emotions, they will mislead you every time, you know, yeah.

So when I look at this, here's the issue. When you say I feel for businesses and spending this money, you know, maybe someone from the other side of the aisle, or even someone who is more mercy motivated and emotionally driven says, Oh, but what about people dying and this and that and I say, Okay, I don't want to be cruel.

And I'm not being non empathetic. But if we logically look at this disease versus other disease or viruses versus other viruses, this has an R naught of like two and a half, which means for every one person infected, you can infect two and a half people, right?

We now know that it's a 0 .1 to 0 .4 fatality rate, which is less than the flu or influenza, influenza strand that happens every year. You have most people that are passing away from it, that's a secondary issue, they already have primary issues with their health.

So when you look at the Coronavirus or COVID -19, it kind of equals up really to like a like a flu virus. Yeah, maybe a little more contagious, but overall, it actually has now we found out has less of a fatality rate than the flu.

So for the last 100 years, when we've been tracking types of flus, we've never shut down a government for influenza. And I'm not trying to sound crass here or you know, unemotional, but we have anywhere from 60 to 100 ,000 people every year that die right from these types of viruses.

There were, I think there were 44 cases in March when we shut the entire country down. Yeah, 44. I don't know if it was, I want to say it was 44 deaths. Sure. You know, and we shut the entire country down in the CDC.

That's what it's what it's what they came out with their numbers. Sure. The only issue with that is in February and early March, we weren't testing either. So I do understand that argument. You know, if I if we ran no tests, we can say no one has Corona.

Yeah, awesome. It's done. Obviously, the more tests that we have, right. The more positive results we're going to get to have the actual, but my my greater point to that was it's always risk versus reward.

What are we risking versus the reward. And we have something that essentially mimics the flu. And we are literally crushing people's livelihoods and putting them out of work and taking away their businesses that they've worked for for generations sometime.

That's not a good thing. And that can't last. You know, this virus is going to be around for years to come. Oh, yeah. The flu doesn't go away. SARS hasn't gone away. Ebola hasn't gone away. You know, h1n1 hasn't gone away, which we had one in five Americans affected by h1n1 under Obama in 2009 and 10.

We did nothing like 60 million Americans infected. That's no 60 million. Right. We're at 100 ,000 right now. Right. And h1n1 is much deadlier than anything we're talking about. So when I look at it through, you know, logic and kind of, you know, history and what actually is going on, it's very hard to justify all of this.

You know, the executive orders and the, you know, pandemic status and all these in a shutdown of private business. You just go, well, we didn't do this before. And we were just fine. And now we're gonna have much, much bigger risk of hurting the American people then, you know, not doing it, including debt, debt on the nation.

I mean, look, look where our kids gonna be paying. Yeah, I mean, grandkids, great grandkids. This is gonna go over. I really think it will. Unless you know, it was funny, I was listening to he's a I can't remember his last name.

I think it's Kyle Kalinsky. He runs like a YouTube show. He's an atheist and liberal. And I always tell people be informed about all sides of an issue. Yeah, you know, I'll dip into some atheism dip into some NPR dip into some MSNBC every once in a while, just to kind of see what they're talking about their talking points where they're coming from.

Because I don't, you know, all those things I just mentioned are not my go to news sources and my beliefs. But he was saying, Well, see, we can do UBI, which is universal basic income, we can do healthcare for all we've just found $4 trillion out of thin air.

And I went, Yeah, we didn't find it. He literally just devalued the currency by $4 trillion and added it to our debt. Exactly. You know, and we're already at $23 trillion. I mean, this can't keep going, right.

And if you know, and people go, Oh, well, you know, I'm getting a stimulus, and I'm gonna spend that money. It's like, well, we essentially just devalue the dollar by two or 3 instantly. So your dollar has 3 less buying power overnight.

And really the, you know, you know who that harms the most is people who actually save money, right, or invest in the stock market. If I have $100 ,000 saved in the bank, and you print $4 trillion out of thin air, you've just made my $100 ,000 worth $97 ,000.

And I haven't done anything, right. All I did was hold on to it and save it like I should have. Yeah, no, you're not. You're not. I heard that I heard Dave Ramsey actually say that, um, I think it was something like 40 of the population in America could not pay a $400 bill when all of this happened.

Sure. They had they don't have enough safe. $400 emergency. Yeah, I mean, I, you know, just that in general. I mean, it's, it's just surprising. Yeah, you know, I heard, I heard someone say in just full disclosure to everyone listening, Jason and I, we are not financial advisors.

No, we are not theologians. We're not licensed psychologists. So everything we say take it with a grain of salt and measured against the Word of God and your conscience, but you should play Taylor guitars, but you should play Taylor guitars.

Yeah. Did you see that comment on Apple? They said, I'm going to keep, I'm going to keep listening, even though I'm pretty sure that was Vince. It has that Vince. It could have been. That's a buddy of ours in the Taylor versus Martin debate.

But, uh, yeah, no, it's, yeah, it's, it's definitely, it's definitely crazy right now. Yeah. Um, so let's, let's maybe move on to some other things. Some, some Godly scripture, some, uh, some awesome, awesome God stuff.

Grace Alone

You know, when I was going through these solos, um, the topic, I mean, I was, uh, interior the entire time. I'm just like talking about salvation, man. I mean, I'm just like, I mean, and, and even the other night when we, uh, we're having a conversation with Savannah, her telling her testimony.

Yeah. I mean, just, just hearing your testimony. I mean, and I still get choked up about my testimony. I mean, just from where I was dead and, you know, spiritually dead, you know, to where God has brought me.

I mean, it's, you know, and I'm still a work in progress for sure. Sanctification is still happening. Yeah. But, uh, but man, it is, it is an awesome, awesome topic to go through, man. Which, uh, that's such a good point.

You know, I, every day I just go, man, I've, the Lord had no business saving me. Uh, and then I, I say that quite often, jokingly, and I, and I kind of got rebuked one time and, and I just heard the Holy spirit tell me, yeah, you don't even get to say that you don't get to say who the Lord chooses to save and who doesn't, who he extends grace and mercy to and who he, whom he doesn't.

Uh, and I went, yeah, even that can, you know, you don't want to get too prideful in that either. Right. But yeah. So the five solos, uh, I had a lot of people actually, before you brought this up, this is such a cool confirmation, reach out to me and, you know, private message me and say, here's some subjects we like to hear about.

And probably two or three people, uh, said the solos. Um, and for, for those listening that are familiar, some of this will be review for those of you that, uh, are listening and you don't know about them.

Uh, that's going to sound familiar and maybe we'll just classify it for you. And maybe you don't know about it at all. Do you want to run down the five solos for us? Yeah. Yeah. You have them there in front of you.

I could do that. So, uh, I'm going to ask you how to say this in Latin though. Okay. All of these, uh, all of these, you know, yeah, are said in Latin, but, um, solo gratia. Is that how you say that? Or do you, cause I always want to say gratia.

And I'm like, wait a second. That's that's Italian. Isn't it? Yeah. Isn't it? Gratia. Latin and Italian. Kind of right there. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So solo gratia. Yeah. Yep. That's a grace alone. Yep.

Solus Christus Christ. Christ alone. Uh, solo fide. Yeah. Faith alone. Soli deo gloria. Glory of God alone to the glory of God alone. Yeah. Solo scriptura, which is on my shirt. Scripture alone. Scripture alone.

So five solas really came out of the reformation. I mean, that's really where there started to be some focus on these kinds of theological points. And to, you know, and for people listening, you will never find, uh, the term five solas in the Bible, right?

First of all, it's Latin Bible. Wasn't written in Latin. Uh, but it's almost, I liken it to the Trinity, right? We don't have the word Trinity in the Bible, but any Bible believing Christian knows that the Trinity is in the Bible, right?

So the five solas are kind of summing up five biblical principles that are found throughout the Bible. And what happened during the reformation, I mean, the overview, there was, you know, obviously 95 things that Luther found, uh, you know, had problems with, with the Catholic church and he nailed them, you know, on the door there, but really what it came down to was solely FIDA, which was, uh, by faith alone, right.

Luther had a real big issue with work salvation and kind of at the time how the Catholics were saying, the Catholic church was saying that it took both faith and works to be justified in Christ. And I mean, it really came down to the book of Galatians for Luther.

And he was saying, no, uh, you know, there was all kinds of issues. He the Catholic church, but he stood up and he said, no, we've really strayed from what the word of God says. And out of that, within the first hundred years after the reformation, which was, uh, what, October 31st, uh, 1517, right?

1517. Then that first hundred years, we really started to see these solas, uh, kind of as a theological and doctrinal issue develop and be categorized. They really didn't even get categorized, categorized all five until the 19th century.

Um, I mean, through, you know, you see stuff in the 1800s where that you had faith alone, uh, Christ alone and scripture alone. And then you kind of had the other two, uh, in and out of there for a couple hundred years.

It wasn't until I believe like 1913 or 1914. And boy, I should know the name of the theologian that coined all five and called them the five solas, but I can't, you guys can Google it. So sorry about that.

But, uh, it really wasn't until the last hundred years or so to where we've even referred to him as the five solas. Just before that, we just knew that they were doctrinal issues that were found in the Bible and Protestantism adhered to them.

Okay. Yeah. Uh, most of the, most of these outside of maybe Christ alone, uh, you might have some other denominations like Catholicism have some issues with, and we kind of touched on sola scriptura, but which one did you want to start with?

Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, I think I, I was going to ask, um, you know, with, with, um, the start, I mean, we're talking about the dead, deadness and the wrath of God, right? Sure. Talking about being dead in sin.

Um, so I, I writ, I wrote down a few verses and I'd, I'd like to just, uh, go through them. Maybe, maybe try this out. Let's do it. Um, so Romans three, nine and 10. Um, what then are Jews any better off?

No, not at all. For we have already charged that all both Jews and Greeks are under sin as it is written. None is righteous. No, not one. And then if you go down to verse 23, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Um, and then if you move on, move on over to Romans six, 23 for the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus, our Lord. And Romans five, nine, since there, since therefore we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Um, first Thessalonians one, nine, and 10 for they themselves report concerning us the kind of reception we had among you and how you turn to God from idols to serve the living and true God and to wait for his son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

Oh, good. I, yeah, I, I mean, I have quite a few, man. Just, I mean the, just the, you know, the deadness, um, you know, the spiritual dead and just the wrath of God and how we're, um, you know, rebellious and, you know, we're guilty before Christ.

Right. Um, yeah. And Romans three, 23 through 25 there, uh, probably for me is a very clear, uh, along with Ephesians two, which we'll get into is a clear picture of, uh, grace alone. Yep. Um, if you read that one, uh, do you have that?

Why haven't in front of all have sinned and fallen short of the glory, but all are treated as righteous freely by his grace because of a ransom that was paid by Christ Jesus. And I'm sorry, I think you have ESV there.

I might be reading out of, uh, I know you text me before and said, what are you using? But I'm using com common English Bible. Okay. I don't know how I even got ahold of this Bible. It's my one that just sits out here in the office, but, um, all good.

Yeah. So that, that's a great one for grace alone. If you flip over to Ephesians two, four, four through 10, do you have that? Yeah. Read, read that for me. But God being rich in mercy because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we are dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ by grace, you have been saved and raised us up with him and sealed and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

So that in the coming ages, he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace and kindness toward us in Christ Jesus for by grace, you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing. It is the gift of God, not a result of works so that no one may boast for we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Wow. Yeah, man. So that's so straightforward to me, right? Uh, it's almost all was taking out the argument at the knees, right? Because he knew what they were going to say. He goes, look, you saved by grace alone through faith, which even that is a gift.

Even faith is a gift from God. It's not something you have in you to where you can work up enough of it, or you can gain more of it. Even the even the gift of faith is a is a gift that God gives to you.

So, you know, when we talk about grace alone, or solely Gratia, Gratia, excuse me, we have multiple Bible verses that show this. Another one I had written down here was First Corinthians 1510. Yep, that was my next one.

Do you have that one too? Oh, yeah, brother, because a lot of these are, you know, we'll probably have some of the same one. Oh, yeah, definitely. Just because we both did a little study. Yeah, we both did our own independent studies of this.

And yeah, these are great verses. Let me read First Corinthians 1510. I am what I am by God's grace, and God's grace hasn't been for nothing. In fact, I that is with me. No, I'm sorry. I have worked harder than all others.

That is, it wasn't me, but the grace of God that is within me. Sorry, I skipped the line there. Yeah, that's so I mean, even there you're seeing again, repeated. It's by grace. It's by grace. It's by grace.

There's nothing that you've done that can merit your salvation. Right? Yeah. We have Second Corinthians nine, eight, as well. Yeah, jump to that one. God is able to make all grace abound to you. So that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.

Yep. Yeah, so I think this these five solos that we're talking about, too, I think are foundational to Christian faith, right? I don't think that it's this, especially to Protestant faith, I don't think that we, you know, these are much more popular, I think, in the reformed in the Calvinist circles.

But I think Protestants in general adhere to, and there's some smaller denominations that don't, but for I would say 98%. These aren't outside of the, the realm of salvation for most, right? I wouldn't think I mean, it's grace, Christ, you know, scripture, I mean, which went in when I talk to people about these, the biggest comment I get is, oh, I understand that concept that I've been taught that concept, but I didn't know they were grouped like that, or had Latin phrases attached to them that, you know, we, we actually, you know, identified as that, right, which was the experience I had growing up.