Shocking: Publicly Rebuking a False Prophet
Pastor Wade Orsini of Apologia Utah, Deacon Andrew Soncrant, and Eric Collins of the LDS Evangelism team get into a spirited conversation with a False Prophet.
This is not how typical LDS Evangelism occurs, this man said that he receives direct revelation from God that could be called Scripture, therefore Pastor Wade was rebuking the man.
Transcript
So are you a Latter -day Saint?
No, I'm a true follower of Jesus Christ.
I'm part of the Kingdom of God on Earth.
Okay, do you go to ward sacrament meetings on Sundays?
Occasionally.
Okay, so you're a Mormon.
No, I'm not Mormon.
That's like calling me Moses.
And I know Moses, and I know Mormon.
And neither one of those are me.
Because Mormon's like a real person.
No, I know he's a person from the Book of Mormon, but...
He's a true prophet that lives in paradise.
Yes.
No, he's not.
Yes, he is.
No.
How do you know that, sir?
I know him well.
How do you know that he's a Mormon of God?
The Holy Ghost is confirmed to be true.
How do you know it's the Holy Ghost?
I prayed and asked God, and He told me by way of the Holy Ghost that Mormon is a true prophet.
So if I was a Muslim...
There's nothing.
So if I was a Muslim, David, and I said the exact same thing to you...
About what?
So I told you...
About who?
About Allah, about the Quran.
Allah is God, the Creator of all living.
It's an interpretation of a name.
What about Buddha?
Is that God?
Are you ready for this?
I'm going to share something with you you guys have never heard, and no man has ever discussed.
Buddha is Job.
Job said, I came into this world naked, and I'll leave naked.
About 3 ,000 years before Christ, the Tower of Babel existed.
It collapsed.
All the languages were confused.
Buddhism started by a man that lived in India.
Why?
Because they were taught about a Savior, a Messiah, who would come into this world.
And He was the only person that they had affiliation with that could make it understandable
to who this Messiah would be.
Where is that written?
That it's not true.
Really?
Yeah.
Do you know all God's wisdom?
It's all wrapped up in the Word of God.
Do you know all God's wisdom?
No, sir, you don't.
But you claim to.
No, I don't.
So how do you know that's true?
It's been revealed to me.
So you receive direct revelation.
I have.
And inspiration.
Really?
So you're on par with all the New Testament writers, with all...
On par?
Yeah.
What do you mean?
In my faith?
No, no, no, no.
Not in your faith.
The Apostle Peter said the writers of the Bible were carried along by the Holy
Spirit to write as they did.
God says...
Can I just share something with you?
What's that?
I just shared something with you that could be written.
You're a false prophet.
I'm not a prophet.
You're a false prophet.
You do not have the words of God.
You don't receive revelation from God.
You are a liar.
You are a liar.
I rebuke that.
That is false.
You are a false prophet and you need to leave here.
I'm not a prophet.
You are a false teacher, false word, false scripture.
You do not receive the words from the living God.
You do not have His words.
I didn't say I do.
You just said you did.
You said you received direct inspiration and direct revelation.
I do.
We won't receive that here.
You don't have to.
It's not ready for you yet.
Then you can leave.
I'm good.
You're taking away from what we're doing.
No, I'm not.
Yes.
I'm actually sent here by our Father in heaven.
No, you're not.
To stop you from condemning me to the Lord.
You're sent by your father, the devil.
You're sent by your father, the devil.
I'm not your brother.
Careful how you speak.
I'm not your brother.
Careful how you speak and how you address me.
No, no.
We are kind to everyone out here, but if you're going to talk the way you are, then I'm going to give it back to you.
You're saying that you have the words of the living God inside of you.
That is false.
Yes, it is.
I don't pray about things to receive truth.
Truth is in the word of God, sir.
You don't pray?
You don't pray?
What's that?
Of course I pray.
Why wouldn't you pray to know if something is true?
Is it not written in the scriptures that you should pray to know all things?
No, it's not.
Really?
Isn't that what that one prophet did, Joseph Smith?
Joseph Smith's a false prophet.
No, I'm asking about what he did.
What scripture did he use to pray?
He wrongly used James chapter 1.
That's it, James.
So you just basically said James.
Chapter 1, 5 is irrelevant.
No, I didn't.
You misused it, sir.
You misused James chapter 1.
He's talking about wisdom in the midst of persecution, perseverance, trials, and suffering.
And you're not going to pray to find out if what I shared with you is true?
Of course not.
I know immediately it's false.
Now what if when the Lord comes, careful, what if the Lord comes and stands before you and says, Brother,
what he was speaking was true.
Will you accept it or will you deny it?
Even if an angel or anyone comes from heaven and preaches a gospel or brings a word
contrary to the one that's already been given, he is to be accursed.
What was contrary?
You just said Job is Buddha.
What's contrary to that?
Where is that in the word of God?
Where isn't it?
You are a false teacher.
Where isn't it, brother?
I am not your brother.
I am not your brother.
That's unfortunate because we're all God's children.
No, we aren't.
Yes, we are.
He created all things.
No, John chapter 1 says that through Christ he gave the right to have the
adoption of sons and daughters to be called the sons of the living God.
Okay, great.
We're all sons and daughters of Adam.
We are not all sons and daughters of God.
That's unfortunate that you perceive it that way.
That's what the word says.
That's your interpretation.
No, it isn't.
That's exactly what it says, plainly.
There's over 10 ,000 interpretations.
It plainly says through Christ he gave us the right to become children of God.
Only through Christ can you receive adoption as sons and daughters.
Of course not.
Isaiah the prophet says that all men began on earth.
Let me ask you this.
Why is there so much opposition to good?
Can you name one thing?
Because there's sin in the world?
Can you name one thing within the kingdom of God on earth that's bad for mankind?
Kingdom of God?
There's only one.
There's nothing unrighteous in the kingdom of God.
But you are outside of it, sir.
The wrath of God abides on you.
No, sir.
You plainly show that you know not the scriptures nor the power of it.
No, because you're telling us that you receive revelation that is equal of that of the scriptures.
You don't.
You don't.
No, you don't.
You need to test the spirits, sir.
You need to test the spirits.
Because something is giving you something false.
If something is telling you that Buddha is Job, you are receiving a false spirit.
There's something that is attached to you even to this moment.
There's something that is false that is attached to you.
He's an idol.
He's a false god.
He's a false god?
Yes.
Of course.
Where did he come from, I ask?
He's an Indian deity.
Where did he come from?
Why does he exist in the manner that he exists?
He doesn't. He's dead, but Christ is alive.
We're talking about Buddha, his will.
He was a man, was he not?
Yes.
Why did he exist?
He was a store of wrath before a holy and just god, because he preached a false way and plan of
salvation.
Because Mary Ronald, the god spoken of in the New Testament, Zeta, is not the god of the Bible, sir.
So, if you're a prophet, I want to know what your revelation is.
I never said I was a prophet.
Okay, what's your revelation?
Before the Tower of Babel, all mankind were taught about a
Messiah who would come into the world.
The Tower was destroyed and all languages were confused and people were spread throughout the world.
In their new language, they remembered that there would become a Messiah.
And they started to put idols together, just like those of
Moses' people.
Trying to remember a Messiah.
Trying to remember the teachings of a Messiah.
Buddha is not that.
Buddha has allowed a civilization to reflect on goodness as
opposed to being captured by Satan.
No, sir.
That's nowhere recorded in the scriptures.
Do you think that the civilization in China and the Buddhists are going to
hold on to the teachings of Jesus Christ because of the familiarities?
Their Savior, who they thought was Buddha...
The Chinese church is growing because of the gospel, not because of Buddha.
They've rejected all that.
That's not what I said.
No, I know, but you said people in China are believing because of Buddha.
They aren't.
Those who are actually believing in Christ in China are believing because they heard the gospel of Jesus Christ.
They're parallel.
No.
Goodness?
No, sir.
Kindness?
Jesus came and suffered on a cross.
He didn't come to deny all forms of suffering.
We're talking about a way of life.
Jesus did not teach that you need to abandon all forms of suffering.
No, I'm talking about what Buddha taught.
He said you need to abandon all forms of these things in order to reach nirvana, to avoid forms of suffering.
Jesus said, pick up your cross and follow me.
He says this to his disciples.
He said, no, listen, sir.
I'm going to tell you what the scriptures say about Jesus.
I know the Savior.
I know my Savior very well.
I don't think you know him if you compare him to Buddha.
I'm not comparing him to Buddha.
I'm talking about a civilization like the Jews who were led by
Moses who put together idols because Moses was on the mount.
And because their prophet was gone, all they knew was what they should do with the idols.
And that is what happened with Buddha.
They made an idol.
You're saying Buddha was like a Moses?
Buddha was their idol, a replica of the Savior, which they didn't understand.
It's all that they have.
No.
They didn't have the Savior.
There's only one name in heaven and on earth.
So what's their position before God then?
What's their position before God?
The people who believed in the teachings of Buddha.
They thought Buddha was God.
They thought he was the Messiah.
What happened to them?
They thought he was everything that they were taught by their people and ancestors before them.
What happened to them when they died?
This is something you've never heard before.
I'm asking you, what happened to them when they died?
Who?
The people who believed in the teachings of Buddha.
You should care about that.
That's not why we brought it up.
Your revelation is in direct conflict with the words of the living God.
No, it is not.
Yes, it is.
Tell me how.
Because you're putting Jesus in parallel form to Buddha.
You said they are parallels.
Those were your words exactly.
That Buddha, which no man has ever considered, is
basically an idol of Jesus Christ.
And no man on earth has ever said that.
I am not claiming to be a prophet.
I don't think...
I'm not claiming to share to the world anything more than something that I received by
an inspirational thought that perhaps could be greater wisdom from God to help
those who are Buddhist convert to follow Jesus Christ like that.
Buddha?
Because Buddha is the symbol of who they should be worshipping.
Now, this is new to you.
This is new to any scholar that's ever lived on earth.
How do I know?
Because I've been talking on social media for the last year about it.
And no man has ever thought about this.
Why do I bring it up?
Because we're getting prepared to see a massive conversion of
followers to Jesus Christ.
Those who are...
It won't be through Buddha.
I didn't say it would be through Buddha.
You just said Buddha would be the gateway, the portal...
I did not say he was the gateway.
That people who are Buddhist will come to faith in Jesus through Buddha.
Like that, because of what I just shared with you.
They will recognize the truth that I'm speaking about their Buddha in relationship to the
Savior.
And they will convert their hearts like that and praise Jesus.
If they turn to Jesus...
There's no if.
If they turn to Jesus, it'll be because of Jesus.
It won't be because of Buddha.
I never said that.
I never said that.
Buddha can save just as much as the Mormon God can save.
Which he can't.
He can't.
No, sir, we stand upon the words of the living God.
You don't.
You don't.
You are presumptuous and prideful.
You stand on nothing.
You have no platform.
You have no solid ground.
You have sinking sand.
Of course.
Then we should praise together and sing hallelujah.
When they do, it'll be through the gospel of Jesus Christ.
And when they do, you'll remember this conversation.
And you'll say, my God, my God, I was foretold
that this was going to happen.
I have a question for you real quick.
So beyond all of that, who do you say Jesus is?
Who is Jesus?
My elder brother, my Savior, my Redeemer, the Messiah.
My elder brother, Savior, Redeemer.
What do you mean by...
The Son of God.
What do you mean by... The Almighty.
Okay.
So in John chapter 1, verse 1, it says, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.
Hold on, hold on.
Let me finish.
And the Word was God.
All things were created through Him.
There was nothing that came into being unless it was made through Him.
So do you believe the Bible when it says that in the beginning was the Word, and in the In
means without no point of origin or reference to
space and time.
So this is not God.
What's the Word?
Okay.
What I'm asking you though, is do you believe that Jesus has eternally existed, uncreated,
always?
Because that's what John chapter 1, verse 1 says.
Okay.
Do you believe He created all things in Heaven and on Earth?
So, true.
Yeah?
Okay.
So when you say Elder Brother, can you explain to me what you mean by that?
He is my Elder Brother.
Was He created at one point?
No, I'm trying to understand.
I don't understand what you're saying.
I know you understand what you're saying.
God the Father and Jesus Christ are two separate beings.
Let's be very clear about that.
No, that's actually not true.
Continue, continue.
No, it should be true.
No, just continue.
I want to hear more.
No, that would make multiple gods.
It'll be revealed to you one day.
Hold on, hold on.
It's already been revealed to me in Scripture that there's one God.
There's one true and living God.
The Holy Spirit can't contradict His Word.
The Word came by the Holy Spirit.
They are separate persons but one being.
Yeah, there's distinctions in personhood but there's one being of God.
There's only one God.
Of course.
It's by the Scriptures.
So by feelings?
Have you ever felt your mom love you?
How do you know your feelings bring you truth?
I trust in the Word that it's Word that says when you feel a burning in your
bosom, when you feel love, when you feel peace, when you felt mom's suffering, I can
exercise my faith that that is true.
And when I exercise my faith and time and time again I feel the Spirit
testify, my faith becomes perfected.
Okay, let me ask you a question then.
Why do you deny that?
Is that not powerful?
That's not powerful.
This is why the logic in it doesn't fall out.
Have you ever felt God's love?
Let me explain real quick.
So if I were to pray about something and say, Hey, you know what?
I really want to actually exercise my freedom to murder this person over here.
I've prayed about it and God revealed to me and I know it to be true and I feel the love of God because I'm
going to go murder this person.
Please share with me who that person is and don't come up with a fabricated name.
No, I mean there's murderers, serial killers that have done those very things.
Let me talk with them.
I'd like to meet them.
But how would you tell them they're wrong because you're telling the same thing?
It's a hypothetical.
I want reality.
No, serial killers have said the very things.
Please let me know who they are.
Please let me speak with those people and let me feel of their love.
Ted Bundy.
And they're sincere.
Ted Bundy, you'd be one of them.
He did claim that.
Was he sincere?
Can you foretell who they are?
No, is he sincere with his mission?
Did he say it was divine intervention and by the way of the spirit?
Absolutely.
And you would feel that love?
So does the jihadist.
So does the jihadist who commits suicide bombings.
It is.
I know who's genuine.
I know who's sincere.
Okay, so you're the standard of truth now.
So you can judge other people's feelings, but they can't tell you you're wrong.
Judge?
Careful, I didn't say judge.
But you are.
You're making a judgment.
It's called emotional quality.
I have the ability to read people's emotions by way of body language.
You can argue syntax, but that's still judgment, sir.
Discerning.
Exactly.
Discerning and judgment.
No, it's not.
It is.
Judgment for me is passing someone to heaven or hell.
No, we're not.
We're not talking about eternal judgments.
You make a judgment, you make a decision all the time.
So yeah, so in your discernment, you then have the right to say whether or not someone else is feeling
something that is true.
Because I can tell you this, listen.
I have the right to feel whether or not you're genuine.
And whether or not you're by way of the spirit of God.
How do you know that, though, is the question?
Because the person who prayed about it—.
The same way I know my Savior when he stands next to me and I can feel his presence.
I would say you—.
It's called love.
I would say you don't know, actually.
Actually, I do.
I would say you can't be certain.
No, I'll tell you why.
As a model of Jesus Christ for the last 12 years, I know him well.
I think you—.
He's made himself known unto me so that I don't need to see him.
Seeing the Savior would not change my faith.
I've never seen the Savior.
It wouldn't change my faith.
Okay, here's the thing.
I don't need to see him.
Sir, here's the thing.
The Bible doesn't tell me, though, that I need to feel something whether or not— to determine whether it's true.
In Acts 17 .11, Paul goes and he preaches the gospel to the Bereans.
And he says that these people were more noble than those in Thessalonica.
That they received the gospel with all readiness in mind.
And that they—he commended them for that.
But then he said, but guess what?
They searched the scriptures to see whether the things that he was saying were so.
So they actually cross -checked Paul, who was giving them the gospel, to the scriptures that they had,
which were the Old Testament, to see whether or not he said it was true.
They opened it up.
Is that true?
Is what Paul's saying true?
But when we talk about the Holy Spirit, what I would say to you is, I would say this is what the Holy Spirit does to testify to me the truth.
It says, holy men of God spoke as they were carried along through the Holy Spirit.
It says no prophecy ever was—1 Peter 1 .21—.
By man.
By the will of man.
But holy men of God spoke.
Sir.
Emotion's different than the Spirit.
Of course.
Sir, what I'm trying to get across is I don't doubt you experienced it.
I'd be stupid to say you didn't experience it.
Okay.
Let me ask you this.
When you see the Savior,.
And he says to you, what's your name?
Andrew.
Andrew.
Yeah.
Do you love me?
What would you say to the Lord?
I'd say, Lord, I have loved you as best I can, but your grace is sufficient for me.
And he'll say, did you feed my sheep?
Right.
And what would you say?
I'd say, Lord, I did what I could, but your grace is sufficient for me.
Okay.
When he approaches you, what would you do after that?
Worship him.
My way of what?
My heart, my mind, my soul.
I would run up to him and give him a great hug.
And I'd say, Lord, thank you for all that thou has done for me.
Thank you for saving my life.
Thank you for saving my family.
Thank you for saving my children.
Thank you for being the Savior of the world.
What do you mean by that, Savior of the world?
Atoned for all man's sins.
Every person?
Everyone.
So everyone who has lived after the death, the very resurrection of Christ, is going to heaven?
I said nothing about heaven.
Well, you said that.
Eternal life.
Atoned.
What does that mean, atonement?
It allows people to use free agency of where they want to live.
Okay, so you synchronize Mormon doctrine with Biblical teaching?
I don't know anything about Mormon doctrine.
Well, you said free agency.
That's not a Biblical concept.
That's a Mormon concept.
He believes in the Latter -day Saint version of Jesus.
It's clear.
He goes to ward sacrament meetings.
Who is the created being.
Did Jesus come about through the Father and Heavenly Mother?
Did He come from?
Did He come from?
Sure.
Yeah, I believe there's only one Jesus.
Oh, no, my friend, my friend, listen to this.
Jesus Himself will condemn people who say they believe in Him.
Then let Him do that, not you.
Because I promise you, Jesus does not conduct Himself in the manner in which you conduct yourself.
He does not hand out anti -literature.
Oh, listen real quick.
Jesus, you said that.
Is that not true?
No, He's the way, the truth, and the life.
Please tell me right now.
Oh, He took corded whips.
He flipped over the money changers' tables.
Please say in your words, not mine, that Jesus...
No, it is very relevant.
Literature was much different than tracts.
They didn't have tracts like that.
Would He hand out anti -literature towards another believer?
Truth?
Truth literature?
He would invite them.
They're not another believer.
Are you inviting or are you condemning?
Listen, what I want to say to you...
Simple question.
What I want to say is this.
Are you inviting or are you condemning?
No.
When we hand these out, we want them to know the truth.
They are followers of Jesus Christ.
No, they aren't.
They will kneel at His feet and worship Him with you.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.
And for you to say that these people will not do that, when the
Savior already said they will?
Sir, can I ask you one thing?
That's very alarming.
Sir, can I ask you one thing?
You're taking Philippians 2 out of context there.
Can I ask you one thing?
I'm just saying that's alarming.
If I'm a philosopher and I want to study absolute truth...
I don't think you actually can know absolute truth with your feelings.
I think you've already denied absolute truth.
What did Aristotle and Plato and Socrates...
How did they say, we'll take this and run with it.
We'll take this because it felt right.
It felt like what they wanted to live their principles by.
Their arguments were logically consistent.
Anyways.
You say you're a follower of Christ.
I am.
I don't say that.
I know that.
I know Him.
And that you believe what He said is true.
I know exactly what He said is true.
Okay, absolutely.
I agree.
What Jesus said is true.
It is.
And in Matthew chapter 7, He says, there will be people that come to Him and say, Lord, didn't we prophesy
in Your name?
Didn't we do miracles in Your name?
Are you prophesying?
I know, but I'm not prophesying out on the street.
Just listen to his point.
But Jesus says there will be people who come and say, are we not followers of You?
Did we not do these things in Your name?
And what's He going to say then?
He says, depart from me, workers of lawlessness, for I never knew you.
And why would He say that?
Because they didn't have faith in Him.
In the true Jesus.
Okay, so I'm telling you I have faith in Him.
You have faith in Him.
So what relevance does that have in this conversation?
Because if you have a Christ that can be compared to Pluto and Christ.
So the reason I'm here is to really try to help you guys understand something really important.
We need to unite in Christ and stop dividing between
Baptists, born -again Christians, and whoever else, non -denominational Christians, need to
stop attacking the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints.
It's irrelevant. It's not important.
It does nothing good.
Joseph Smith was the first one to attack it.
Yeah, he did.
He said all their confessors are corrupt.
Their creeds are an abomination.
He said we're the whore of Babylon.
Protestants.
Why did he say that?
Do you know why he said that?
Why was he anti -towards me then?
He wasn't anti.
Oh, wasn't he?
No, he wasn't at all.
Yes, he was.
He wasn't at all.
He was inviting all the world to come unto the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.
If it wasn't Joseph Smith, it would have been Billy Bob.
It would have been Joe Schmoe.
The gospel didn't need to be restored.
He's a Latter -day Saint, yeah.
Okay.
There is no such thing as LDS.
There is no such thing as Mormonism.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ.
Of Latter -day Saints?
Of Latter -day Saints.
Okay, there we go.
I am not Mormon.
All right.
So you are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints.
Thank you.
I'm just trying to understand.
Which is the kingdom of God on earth.
Okay, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.
When the Lord returns, he will declare to the world that this is his kingdom.
And all followers of Jesus Christ will become one.
Except for the ones in Matthew 7, right?
No.
All who accept his word will be part of his kingdom.
Will you become a god one day?
Will I become a god?
Like the creator of this world?
The one that creates worlds without number and has posterity like the sands of the sea?
Will you become exalted?
I hope.
I hope.
Really?
Blasphemy.
Blasphemy.
Straight blasphemy.
I would become like our Savior as I've been instructed to become.
I hope to become like him.
Okay.
I hope my ways are his ways and his ways are my ways.
I hope my words are his words and his words are my words.
Is Elohim the Savior or is Jesus Christ the Savior?
Elohim is God the Father.
Okay.
So you lied to me, Eric.
I didn't lie to you.
Never mind.
Keep going, Eric.
Will you become like Elohim and have spirit children and create your own world?
If there is an opportunity, no man or scripture can dispute, because it's not
written anywhere that otherwise, that if you become like the Savior,
who's to say the Savior could not become like our Father in heaven and create worlds without number?
Hebrews chapter 7 says that he's the same yesterday, today, and forever.
So he doesn't change.
He's been God.
He's not changing.
He's just creating.
You just said it can become.
That's change.
In the sense of creating.
I'm not changing if I go over here and make that scooter.
Okay.
But here's what I'm saying.
Can you become an exalted person?
Have spirit children?
Can I become?
Is it possible?
There is nothing in scripture that disputes that I can.
Wow.
Isaiah chapter 43 verse 10 says there is no God formed before me.
Presumptuous.
Who said that we're becoming God and replacing God?
Are you going to accept worship from your spirit children?
There's got to be some point that you brethren understand.
We're not brothers with you, sir.
Scripture can deny that.
There will be a day where I'm standing next to the Savior, and he will say, behold, this is me.
That's my fear for you.
If you don't turn.
Those words you will hear, sir.
Sir, you deny that.
You believe that you are going to become a God.
You believe that you must do.
Why does that offend you?
Because God says there is no God before me and there is no God after me.
I know not one.
Who said there's going to be a God before and after him?
If you become a God.
You'll be God after him.
Then you will be God after him.
The idea of becoming like the Savior is not relevant to you.
Joseph Smith says.
You don't.
No, no.
Joseph Smith says.
You've supposed and dreamed that God has been God from all eternity.
But I will refute that idea and teach you that you must become God yourself.
That's blasphemy.
Why is that blasphemy?
Because God says.
What did he say?
Because he says there's only one.
That's your interpretation.
No, it's not.
That's what the Scripture says.
But how many other religions say something different?
I don't care about what other religions say.
But what religion.
So your one religion.
Your one religion is holding tight on the fact that you can never become like God.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
So Jesus himself says.
But yet then God says become like my Savior, my Son.
That doesn't mean in deity.
That doesn't mean in deity.
You said anything about in deity.
Nature.
Oh, Joseph Smith did.
And you're actually interpreting that into the text.
But I want to say something to you.
You lied to me earlier, sir.
I asked you.
I never.
I didn't lie at all.
No, I didn't.
In John chapter 1, verse 1, I asked you.
Which is up to interpretation.
No, I can.
I'll quote you the Greek.
Right.
And which is up to interpretation.
No.
The words have meaning.
It is.
I think John wrote with meaning and wanted the people that he was writing to to understand what he said.
Which is up to interpretation of man.
So if all men interpret something differently, how do we know what is true?
Is your revelation up to interpretation?
Okay, then I interpret it to be false.
And then one day you'll know that it's true.
And that'll bring us great joy that we'll have the same understanding.
No.
You're a false prophet.
You're a false teacher.
It doesn't matter.
You're making.
You're claiming me to be a prophet because that's false witness.
Earlier you said I foretell.
Earlier you said I foretell this to happen.
What does a prophet do then?
I never claimed to be a prophet.
If not foretell and foretell, what does a prophet do?
I never claimed to be a prophet.
You say I foretell this will happen in the future.
I receive inspiration and revelation every day from my own family.
You're a false prophet.
Sir, sir.
You're dead in your sin, sir.
You need to turn to the true Christ of scripture.
I am.
You need the gospel.
You're grabbing from all these different things that are untruths.
You know what I don't do?
I don't preach anti -literature and tear people away from
their faith.
What are you doing to us right now?
You're trying to conform us to your teaching.
I'm trying to ask you to stop.
I'm here to protect the kingdom of God from people trying to tear it down.
When we live in a nation where we can't even speak of God.
You are so deceived.
We need to unite in Christ.
We need to unite in Christ.
There's only one Christ.
Your Christ is false.
Your Christ is false.
My Christ is right here, the guy that I'm a model for.
I know who my savior is.
What I'm doing here is to ask you to stop with the
traditions of the born -again Christian anti -literature.
Condemning the Mormon faith saying they have horns in their head.
We're talking to a real LDS person here.
He's actually very excited.
Did that not start with Paul the apostle going to the idol temple and saying...
What is your motive?
Do you think the savior would stand above you and say, keep it going?
You're doing a great job.
Absolutely.
No, he wouldn't.
He invites people to come unto him.
Why do you think no Mormons want to contend with you?
Why do you think I pulled over to talk with you?
Because I've been doing this my whole life.
You're contending.
I'm not contending.
I'm asking you to wake up and realize that there's one God, one Jesus
Christ.
No, you said there's multiple gods.
One God, one Jesus Christ.
You can be careful.
We can monitor my words and I won't go back on my words.
Do you know why?
Because the only reason I'm here is to ask you to unite in Jesus Christ
and stop persecuting those of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints.
Thank you.
Let me thank you.
Elohim is God.
I'm asking you to stop doing that.
I'm not going to stop.
Why?
Is it money?
No.
Are you a pastor?
You're a pastor.
You don't feed your family unless you have a congregation paying you.
And the Mormon Church is a multi -billion dollar organization.
It's a multi -billion dollar organization, sir.
No one gets paid.
It's the only church in the world.
You think Russell Nelson doesn't get paid?
No bishop, stake president.
Okay, but Russell Nelson, all them.
City Creek Mall doesn't get built based off of the profits of… Tithing, fast offerings.
Investing.
All the stock.
Everything to build up the kingdom of God on earth.
Temples.
The humanitarian effort.
What else would you envision the kingdom of God?
So they're a multi -billion dollar organization, yeah.
And God has all the money in the world.
He has sufficient for His needs.
And you're going to go against Scripture and you're going to muzzle the ox that
treads the grain?
Muzzle?
No, I'm asking you to unite.
It's a time to unite.
We're casting pearls, guys.
You are taking us away.
This is what he said he was here to do.
He said, I'm here to take you away from what you're doing.
Sir, turn to the living Christ.
Turn to the true God.
You are dead in your sins.
You are lost.
You can condemn me all I want.
I do this all day long.
Okay, you should hear what the atheists have to say about me.
I can care less about the atheists.
Well, then stop throwing stones at me.
Stop trying to put me down.
Because guess what?
It's water off a man's back.
No.
You know what?
Do you know how many pastors and priests I have?
This would be a much different conversation if you weren't a false prophet.
Prophet, this would be a totally different conversation.
But you claim prophecy from God.
I will not have that.
I'm not a prophet of God.
You are a dictionary jester.
You are a definitions jester.
Does that make you feel better?
You juggle.
Does that make you feel better?
You juggle everything around.
Does that make your congregation feel better?
What are you talking about?
I'm not talking about...
To mock, to put down, to belittle, to deceive.
No, I am calling you to consistency.
You keep changing definitions and labels.
You are inconsistent, sir.
I'm not very consistent.
No, you're not.
I don't think you are.
I think you already lied to me and John.
I haven't lied at all.
I haven't lied at all.
Brother, here's the thing.
The reason I'm here is because I'm doing...
No, you won't let me speak.
There's no reason for me to let you speak at this point.
I'm about to leave because I've already done my purpose.
You should leave.
Why should I leave?
Because you worship a false Christ that doesn't exist.
There's one person who can stand between you and the kingdom of God and it's me.
The brethren won't waste their time.
Wow.
The brethren won't waste their time.
I appreciate you.
The bishops won't waste their time.
No one coming out of that temple will.
Sir, sir.
But I've been doing this longer.
Blasphemy.
Blasphemy.
I've been doing this longer than you guys have been born.
I have one mediator between me and God the Father.
Who's that?
Jesus Christ.
Then why don't you represent him?
He took on flesh and died on the cross for my sins.
Then why don't you represent him?
I will stand and justify before the Lord.
You are not our mediator.
No, I'm Jesus Christ's representative.
Listen.
To tell you guys to stand down and stop attacking those of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day
Saints.
Jesus Christ is not the offspring of Elohim and one of his goddess wives.
Jesus Christ is the eternal God who took on flesh and died.
I'm asking you to stand down.
I'm asking you to leave.
And I'm telling you you believe in a different Jesus.
So what?
Then so what, sir?
I'm good.
I'm good.
These guys are determined to damn their souls.
They want to fight it.
That's fine.
That's why I'm here.
That's why I'm here.
I know.
If God was going to send someone.
We said to you last week as well.
If God was going to send someone here.
This guy supposedly sees visions and dreams, dreams as well.
This is so sad.
Listen.
Two false prophets speaking to us.
Wow.
This is great.
Let me ask you something.
If your Father in Heaven wanted someone to come here to tell you to stop doing what you're doing, who would it be?
Well, I would know according to Scripture.
And I know according to Scripture.
You contradict what the word of Scripture is.
You don't even know who I am.
But you've already told me different things that are contrary to Scripture.
Nothing I've said is contradictory.
So, so lost.
So, so lost.
Lost in the deception.
My friends, you have been deceived by false spirits that have no power.
I speak the everlasting truth that you are lost in deception.
No.
What power, sir?
You have no authority.
You have no authority.
I speak the everlasting truth.
No.
All authority on heaven and earth has been given to Christ.
And he says, therefore, go.
The Holy Spirit would not contradict his word, man.
He would not contradict his word.
I don't know why you're doing this.
Like, what joy do you get out of doing this?
I don't, I don't get any joy of talking with you.
You get more money.
You get more money.
There are tons of people.
You seem to know the motive of your heart.
But what's funny.
What is the motive of your heart?
Why are you here?
Well, only God knows.
The people would know Jesus Christ.
I have conversations with my friends who are pastors and priests.
They listen.
Because they know I care about them and I love them.
And I want the best for them.
And then they read the Book of Mormon and they go, this is the word of God.
So you lead them after other gods.
Wow.
Lead them after other gods?
Who wrote the Book of Mormon?
Joseph Smith.
Really?
In 180 days?
Yes.
Really?
Well, what about the one with the second degree or second level of education?
Here's the question that we share with this.
What about the first book that was lost?
Recently, the Jews, a couple years ago, the Jews came out and declared that, yes, there was a prophet by the
name of Lehi.
In the very time, declared in the Book of Mormon.
In the age of Jerusalem, declaring repentance to the ancient Israelites.
And suddenly he disappeared.
We don't know what happened to him.
These are the Israelites, the Jews, declaring this.
Can I ask you something?
Can I ask you something real quick?
No.
You have to record what we're saying to remember what you're saying.
Joseph Smith didn't have a recorder.
He had God.
Right?
Right.
So why couldn't God just tell him again?
Why did he?
I don't know.
That's why I'm asking you.
Why didn't God tell him again?
What did we learn from that?
He didn't write it again because he couldn't write it again because he had no idea what he wrote down.
What did we learn from that?
Because he just wrote it down.
And what did we learn?
Joseph Smith's the false prophet.
The obedience to God.
He's the false prophet.
When God tells you not to take the manuscripts and share them, you better listen.
So you repeat the indoctrination because here's the indoctrination.
Oh, wait, wait.
Guess what?
I lost them.
I can't rewrite it.
And oh, guess what?
The reason why is because God actually told me not to do that, and I disobeyed.
Once again, the truth will condemn them in that.
Indoctrinated from who?
From the church.
By their own conscience, they will be condemned.
Please tell me who has educated me.
Please tell me.
Did you go to seminary every morning before you went to school?
I went to seminary with every faith throughout the world.
I'm not being disrespectful.
No, it's fine.
Once again, it's fine.
You're disrespectful to the true and living God.
Jesus Christ is the eternal God who took on flesh and died on the cross.
I lied right there.
That's a lie?
That Jesus Christ is the eternal God?
That I am being disrespectful to God.
You are.
Once again, voice of deception.
Voice of deception.
Your prophet says that you can become God.
You must become God.
The spirit of contention is a fool.
No, guess what?
The spirit of contention is a fool.
The missionaries that go around don't act like you.
I discern by way of the spirit.
If I watch you guys talk, I say, contentional together.
If I watch the missionaries talk, I say, they have a spirit.
So I follow the missionaries.
I'm studying with you.
I'm born again Christian.
Come on.
Come on.
We're done.
I was.
Come on.
I was.
Come on.
Seventh -day Adventist.
Jehovah's Witness.
Pentecostal.
Jehovah's Witness.
I was almost a Jehovah's Witness.
I studied with every state.
And you know what caused me to join the kingdom of God on earth?
This is called contention.
I'll never see a missionary.
Let me ask you this.
When you come to have greater honor for your parents, doctrine as a child,.
I want to know your motive.
I want people to know the one true and living God.
Do you want me to rent my coat and come to your side and pay you money?
You're the one who came up to us as a false prophet with false revelation.
I'm not a false prophet.
So we have to handle it accordingly.
Never said I was a prophet.
All I said was that those who created Buddha were trying to emulate Jesus Christ, and they didn't know anybody.
That's all I said.
You said you received direct revelation and inspiration from God.
That's false.
That's a thought.
How can you deny a thought?
It's a theory.
It's an idea.
How's that false?
How's that false?
I could write a book on it.
How are you telling me that my idea, my inspirational thought is false?
Who comes up with your mental thoughts in your head?
Where do they come from?
From my psuche in the Greek, psyche, my mind.
I'm Greek.
My mom is from Sudan.
My yaya is from Thessaloniki.
Where does your thoughts come from?
Please tell me you know who puts thoughts in your mind.
Please tell me you know.
I'm trying to understand where you're getting at.
You're condemning a man that is speaking a theory that he received by
inspiration.
You've come to condemn us.
You're anti to us.
Yes, you are.
You're fighting to stop condemning the children of God within the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter -day Saints.
You're infringing upon my right to do this.
Yeah, you want me to stop.
Please don't talk about rights.
You're talking to a guy who stood up in front of a nation and taken the American flag away from people who wanted to burn it.
If there's a freedom of expression, a freedom of religion individual, you're talking to.
So don't talk about me infringing on your rights.
I have every right to stand here.
Well, you've come here to tell me to cease.
I'm asking you to unite with the followers of Jesus Christ
and to stop the division.
Stop the contention.
We have Joe Biden, who's a puppet in the hands of China.
China is being led by the adversary.
They're establishing a new world order.
What half light with darkness?
What half Christ with Belial?
We're talking about what church is true still.
Mormonism is of the devil.
Mormonism is of the devil.
Bella, you need to repent and believe.