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It'll be better, but anyway, I'm glad to be with you today. Allegedly being told the video is not working is that We're working on okay great, so I'm talking about I'm talking about the the visual thing when no one can see the visual thing.

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But evidently they can hear us just not see us. That's really weird I don't know how that works, but that's gonna be a little bit difficult because I want to be reviewing stuff on video. So we we hope that it's at least recording so this will eventually be up.

Yeah, that's good. Oh well That's just how it works technology. Not not our strong suit at times, and it just doesn't always work. Sometimes Skype works real well sometimes. It doesn't I've promised over and over again That I was going to start the program with a discussion of The Pope and I keep skipping over the Pope and we'll get back to the simply Syrah video and What you'll Ibrahim and other stuff like that, but I did want to talk about The fact that I have the very very distinct feeling That if you well, I was just watching a video somebody had posted on Facebook Just some students walking around their campus asking fellow students Who won the Civil War and Most of the people were like well who is in it was that in the 1960s?

We did and You know We live in a day where people don't have a Clue about history. I mean the public education system. Sorry to all you teachers out there, but It's a systemic thing. It's a systemic thing.

It's it's a societal thing. It's not just you You can't teach if you don't have a family structure and and all the rest that kind of fun stuff. It's just the way it is and as a result We have the 500th anniversary of the Reformation coming up next year now.

I Know I know I know It's just an arbitrary date and it is it is and I know and I've talked about before That when Luther posted 95 theses, he wasn't trying to start anything. He wasn't trying to start a Reformation far as saying from his mind it was literally in those days the the groups would the universities.

They didn't have football teams. They didn't have soccer teams they certainly didn't have rugby teams and So they would they would do their competition through debates. All day long debates. Can you imagine that?

I Can't get people to sit still for two and a half hours and they would they'd be doing it on their own and so all Luther was trying to do was to Arrange a debate Against another university as a professor at Wittenberg now, I'm not saying that he didn't believe what he was saying in the theses he did.

But the idea that he was going now is that this this is this is the day this is this is when it's all gonna begin. No, obviously that that simply was not the case at all. So with that in mind still History anyways has marked The Reformation to October 31st 1517 so we're we're coming up on 500 years.

There were all sorts of movements before that vitally important Erasmus was vitally important Wycliffe who us rise of nationalism printing press universities Renaissance Increase in knowledge of the original languages, you know, all that all that kind of stuff.

I all vitally important. I understand it but anyway Who cares about what happened 500 years ago, I mean the vast majority Roman Catholics don't care the vast majority of non Roman Catholics don't care.

If you do care You're gonna be looked at like you're just a little bit weird. Because the vast majority of people even in Protestant churches if you say Martin Luther, they're expecting you to finish the phrase King because they don't know who Martin Luther was they know almost nothing about his life and.

And The relevance that he has to them. None absolutely positively none so given that and given the collapse of mainstream Protestant denominations that have entered into liberalism that have collapsed.

Dude I I'm sipping my tea today. Because I was trying to I was trying to record him Just a one minute a one minute promotional video before him took us three shots because I couldn't get through one minute without my throat.

Going nuts so I'm gonna have to stop right once in a while I feel fine, but Something's going on to where my my throat and my voice is a little bit today. So anyway, um vast majority positive dominations have collapsed on their view of biblical inerrancy inspiration.

They don't care they. If you don't believe that the Bible is truly the Word of God if it's just simply men's thoughts about God then You're you're gonna think that what they did in the in the Reformation was Pretty much a joke.

Anyways, I mean, can you believe people once we're willing to die for stuff like this justifications all the scripture really? So all that to say that. It seems like the perfect time for the Bishop of Rome Frankie.

To come along and go hey, let's all get together. We're all on the same side here, let's there's plenty of room here in Rome, you know. You can fly on my jet and basically proclaim The Reformation to be over and I've talked about the the rumor going around.

About that was a Parker guy that had written that document basically saying all those anathemas. Don't have anything to do with not now. I know I know. The people he's going to talk to well. What is this January 26th?

Pope Francis asked Protestants and other Christian churches for forgiveness For past persecution by Catholics as the Vatican announced on Monday. He would visit Sweden later in the year to mark the 500th anniversary of the Reformation.

Well, that's. That's next year. So I'm not sure what you mean by that. Speaking an annual vespers service at st. Paul's Basilica in Rome attended by representatives of other religions. He asked Forgiveness for the un-gospel like behavior by Catholics toward Christians of other churches.

He also asked Catholics to forgive them who had persecuted them because there was persecution of Catholics, too. The Vatican announced on October 31st Francis would go to the southern Swedish city of Lund.

Well, the Lutheran World Federation was found in 1947 for a joint service with Lutherans to launch Reformation Commemorations that will continue throughout the whole next year now the the Lutheran World Federation is amazingly liberal.

He's not talking to conservatives here. He's not talking to conservatives. Notice this another article says. The surprise move will see the head of the world's Catholics worship alongside the heirs to a religious tradition founded in opposition to the Church of Rome and Which once regard the Pope as the Antichrist?

But then check this out. This gives this really gives you an insight. The modern-day Lutheran Church in Sweden continues to uphold principles that are anathema to all but the most radical Catholic theologians.

It has had a female archbishop Since 2013 has ordained women pastors since 1960 and embraces homosexuality the point of having both lesbian and gay bishops. Oh joy, so but what was weird there was. A Continues to uphold principles as if this was what the Reformation has been about.

It wasn't that's not what it was about and Good luck finding almost any meaningful press coverage of the real issues the Reformation. But I just have. I mean this is not exactly a amazing prediction on my part.

You know if I had If I had predicted yesterday that what was that guy's name Mallory was he the? Did he used to the third Democrat you got the two socialists and Mallory right was it Mallory? Oh? Mally, okay.

Martin Amal thanks. And so I was really Focused on his message. Seamus oh. Okay, all right. Seamus O'Malley. Seamus O'Malley he's he dropped out now, but if I if I were to have predicted yesterday That the Seamus O'Malley was going to win the Democratic side of the caucuses in Iowa That would have been an amazing amazing prediction.

To predict that Francis is going to say and do things over the next year and a half. That are meant to communicate the idea that hey We're all the same boat together. You know let's all get together is not overly shocking however however.

What we do need to keep an eye on and what we do need to be thinking about is How many Protestants are gonna go? Hey, I Think he's got something. I think there might be something to this. I mean, I don't want to make a direct connection but Francis seems to be somewhat of a populist and I'm thinking of another populist that seemingly recently has Attracted quite the Evangelical following as well in other words there seems to be a lot of people who Aren't concerned too much about the side issues as long as someone has a popular message.

And So It does seem like an opportune time for Francis to make overtures and Say hey, why don't you check out to you know wait on across the Tiber the Tiber River seems to be at low ebb right now and You know he's not like the other Pope who's still alive.

He's not a scary Emperor Palpatine like-looking dude like Like the last guy was Benedict Ratzinger. You know, you know when you see when you see the current Francis, you don't hear. You know, I thought the first The song that comes to mind it's more like won't you be my neighbor?

Is that the difference between Benedict and Francis is the difference between. You know. Your unbelief is troubling to me, you know. Versus you know, you know that underneath that thing. He's wearing.

He's got he's got you know a nice little cardigan sweater on and and. So I just I just get the feeling that he's gonna he's just gonna keep. Some of the channel says he's an evil. Mr. Rogers. Yeah, can there be an evil?

Mr. Rogers? I mean seriously, come on. Who's who's afraid of mr. Rogers? Well, you know, yeah, he could spike your Rubeus tea with. If we went back to those old videos, could we find Fred Rogers making demonic faces?

Just oh, I bet you if you if you played him slowly enough. It's slowly enough. You. Yeah, see here's here's here's fellow in. Here's a fellow in Sweden. Okay. This is Tim in Sweden. Actually a priest in the Swedish Church once invited a mom and later said Martin Luther would have clapped.

I almost died as someone who lives in Sweden. I can tell you that Francis is quite popular among evangelical Protestants here sadly enough. Well, no question about it. I was in Norway last year about this time.

And the quote-unquote, you know the state churches in those countries Bear almost no resemblance whatsoever to biblical Christianity. I mean, it's just a given everybody knows that. So he's talking liberals, but what I'm thinking more about is remember how Copeland and the word faithers Responded to the video that he sent.

You know, it's just like oh and then you've got Saddleback, you know Warren our Pope I Mean Warren's this close to just you know, hey, let's all go get baptized and start following the Pope type stuff so if you're not if you're not aware of why there was a Reformation or why the map that the issues still matter.

Why shouldn't you Get together with the Catholics. Why not? I mean The the secularists are going after us and they're going after the Catholics, too. So it's all just get together right and I've said those of you who've listened you've heard me say over and over and over again that as we become more and more marginalized pushed to a Smaller and smaller space we're gonna be closer and closer in proximity to Roman Catholicism and Roman Catholics and What I predict is that there will be more and more people Who will simply say, you know what?

We all believe in the triune God we believe in the deity of Christ we believe in the cross. We believe in the resurrection. We believe in divine revelation. We believe in heaven and hell. Well, okay. We believe in the afterlife.

How's that? We've got enough That we don't have to worry about the other stuff and with the Mere Christianity movement that is so popular. Where you have this this minima at least common denominator Christianity I think it's it's preparing the way for this reality that there's gonna be a lot of people That are just gonna go.

You know what? I Really don't think that this stuff that we've been talking about all this time really matters. You know infusion Imputation, you know. When when the government's taking your livelihood away and you're just trying to live does that stuff really matter?

Does it really matter anymore and That's we're gonna be up against. Yeah, it does matter because it determines what you believe the gospel is. It matters greatly, but there's gonna be a lot of people they're just gonna go.

Yeah, I Mean look at the people look ask yourself a question about the 12 13 14, whatever thousand people that head into that former basketball arena called Joel Osteen's Church. Okay, you know, they've been given no foundation none About church history.

Anything like that why they're not Roman Catholics or anything else. They're just there to see somebody smile and to be made to feel better about themselves and and really, you know, it seems like they They don't have the Doctrine and Covenants, but they believe the section of the Doctrine and Covenants.

It says it's it's God's man's immortality is God's great purpose and all that kind of stuff God's all about us and and blah blah blah. Do you really think those folks are going to Stand firm against papal wooing when it becomes Easier just to get together and to get ecumenical let's get ecumenical.

No, of course not because they there's nothing in their foundational beliefs that would cause them to go. No, there's a problem with this. There's a problem with the idea of getting together with Roman.

No, that's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. So I have a feeling Homosexuality gay marriage. Standing firm the gospel. These are all areas where People who stand firm are going to be under more and more and more pressure.

And If you don't know why these things are important if you don't know why these things matter if you don't see how these things are related completely to the gospel itself. You know if you're a standard American evangelical that has never been challenged.

To see how your doctrine of God Christ Spirit Bible revelation salvation church Ministry service missions if you've got all those things just spread out and you never are challenged to bring them next to each other and see if they're consistent then it's really easy people come along and pick off one at a time see and Say well, you know, you've always believed this but what if it's like this and the reason that people can change so easily is.

You know, it would be very difficult to change my perspective because on Missions. Because I've thought through the relationship of my perspective on missions to the church. Which is related to my understanding of the gospel, which is related to my understanding of theology proper sovereignty of God.

It's all it's all connected together vast majority of American evangelicals never challenged and In fact in the vast majority of theological seminaries, not all thanks be to Lord, but the vast majority of them.

The idea of systematic theology the coherence of scriptures as a divine revelation. That's been lost. And so you go in you take all these classes and you know I had one professor said one thing another professor said another thing and I Don't know.

And you you know, I've told the story of the man I knew and at Fuller seminary that we both started about the same time graduated about the same time. He He came in pretty pretty solid knew what he believed and he graduated with a master's degree in confusion.

He Had no idea what he believed once he graduated. He had much a much clearer firmer grasp on doctrine when he came in than when he graduated which is a Sad thing to consider it really really is. So anyway, I see stuff coming and especially if he does the big full document.

How many churches. The liberal churches are already there. They're you know, that's there's like, oh, I'll be great. I'd be wonderful. Are you are you well? Trained enough in church history and in soteriology to understand why The Reformation is still a current necessity and an ongoing movement.

How much would you be willing to give up? To continue believing that good question. Good question. That's why I want to talk about that and you just watch you just watch there's me more and more this now the thing to Remember Here is you know when it says?

Specifically To you know asks forgiveness. Let's remember something the actions of the Roman Church Prior to the Reformation during and after the Reformation. Especially in for example the promulgation of Indulgences for crusaders for the Inquisition.

These were not simply things along the side. These were things that were performed Directly under papal authority by the power of the keys. The claim at the time go read the documents yourselves the papacy at the time claimed the very Authority by which she has now defined doctrines since then such as the Marian doctrines since you know Immaculate Conception bodily assumption.

All that this goes directly to the authority of the Roman see and I know No one can ever disprove papal infallibility. It is a non disprovable statement. Because in Roman Catholic theology the Pope is infallible.

Except when he's not okay, he's always right except when he's wrong and We've all seen it. I just tell you go back look at the At the debate with Tim Staples and Robertson Janice, well, it's the same year.

They're the same year. They're within months of each other I think they're within 12 months of each other. So they may not bending exact same calendar year. But they're they're pretty close to each other.

Listen carefully and what you'll hear is two contradictory defenses of papal infallibility, but the primary thing is The Pope's infallible except when he's not and so I get that but for anyone seriously Thinking that the papacy can provide you with this kind of oh Isn't it great that?

We don't have to be divided and we can have a living voice to tell us what scripture to say isn't blah blah blah but it is To be honest with you when I hear Roman Catholic apologists doing that thing now I what I hear is a used car salesman Selling me a An AMC Pinto With a hundred ninety-eight thousand miles on it and won't show me the car facts.

Yeah, that's that's that's right. You just you just can't know history and And believe any of this stuff at least not in any meaningful fashion. But that's the point if our college students don't know who won the Civil War They certainly don't know what it was about either, huh?

No. So they can know anything about Martin Luther or Any of the rest that kind of stuff either. So that's why I want to talk about that and That's interesting. Um Real quickly on the 21st January before this gets so far old that it's You mean gremlin Pacer javelin?

AMC was gremlin what I say AMC Pinto. That's right. Pinto was a Ford. Yeah. Sorry about that. Yeah, it was AMC gremlin. My sister had clearly. Dr. White is not a car guy. No, I am NOT a car guy, but I do remember my sister's gremlin it was vomit green.

Literally, I saw those guys. Oh my goodness, and that was Wow that was. And it broke down about every three weeks or so I would say it was As bad but no, I am NOT a car guy by any stretch the imagination though I did.

Did you see a picture I posted in my of the? of the dart and It was black and white so Maybe that was after I gotten it painted Because I didn't get a paint eventually, but when I first got it, no two body panels were the same color.

It was it was Lovely lovely car. We were poor. We were poor. Anyways before I get back to the Video here back on the 21st of January care the Council on Islam American Islamic relations Nihad Awad national executive director for the Council on American Islamic relations Wrote our Religion is one Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

Here's what says a Christian professor at an, Illinois College should have said at a Christian College not just, Illinois Don't have anything doing it is now facing being fired by that academic institution because she sought to show solidarity with American Muslim women By wearing an Islamic headscarf or hijab perhaps her greater sin.

And of course this was the issue In the eyes of college officials was a professor's repetition of a quote by Pope Francis saying the Christians and Muslims worship the same God well That comes straight out of the Universal Catholic Catechism we we adore the same God.

As we've mentioned a number of times before but in case you again Muslims tend to. Well, if the Pope said it then why are you disagreeing with it? You know not really recognizing the differences that Exists between us Wheaton College and suburban Christian.

Christian in suburban Chicago recently began termination of cause proceedings against a professor Larisha Hawkins a Christian and an associate professor of political science the college. I thought she was an English professor Professor Hawkins on paid administration leave since December of last year.

In a statement the college said in part Dr. Dr. Hawkins paid administrative leave resulted from theological statements that seem inconsistent with Wheaton's colleges Doctrinal convictions which she voluntarily agreed to support and uphold when she entered into an employment agreement with the college.

It's clearly Wheaton College has the right to its own theological stance on the nature of God. You really believe that. But from an Islamic perspective, there is only one deity worshipped by Muslims Christians and Jews.

In fact the Muslim Declaration of Faith and Shahada states there is no God but God. Now one might claim now, of course, I just have to stop right there. What is the Shahada have to do with this? Well in the Muslim mindset, there's only one God.

So if you're worshipping God, then you must be worshipping the true God. I mean Do y 'all believe most do y 'all believe Mormons are worshipping Allah? Because they claim to be Christian. They talk about their God is the father of Jesus.

Now, of course, they mean that literally I mean they mean that in this surah 5116 way, okay. They believe in they make they make the term shirk. Look like it is utterly insufficient to express what they really mean.

You want association. The the Mormons make Hindus Look like monotheists. Okay, that's that bad. It's that bad is is how about them? Are they worshipping the same God? That's that's a question I'd have to ask you anyway.

Now one might claim that Muslims worship a lot not God. But that would be in willful ignorance the fact that law is merely Arabic translation for God and that all Arabic speaking Christians Referred to a lot of their prayers.

I I don't make that argument. I Get it. I know what Allah is. Muslims commonly use either God or Allah when referring to the single deity Islam's Prophet Muhammad Said both in this world and the hereafter.

I'm the nearest to all p of all people to Jesus the Son of Mary the prophets are paternal brothers. Their mothers are different, but their religion is one. Well if I could determine. Having read the Quran in multiple translations and sections of the Quran in Arabic having read all of sahih al-bukhari and sahih muslim Sections of jami 'at termity and sunan abu dawud and and other hadith collections having read through Lots of early tafsir literature ibn kathir and al-qurtubi and so on and so forth.

If I had any reason to believe that Muhammad had even the beginning of a meaningful knowledge Of what was taught by Jesus in the gospels. And what was taught by Jesus's apostles in the pages of the new testament.

Then I might have some you know basis for this but To say that I am nearest of all people to Jesus when I don't see any evidence that Muhammad knew who Jesus was Is one of the main reasons that we have to continue to have the dialogues that we want to have um.

In the quran islam's revealed text god clearly states the unity of monotheistic face in surah 2 surah al-baqarah ayah 136 Say we believe in god and that which has been bestowed from on on high upon us and that which has been bestowed upon abraham and ishmael and isaac and jacob and their descendants.

And that which has been vouchsafed to moses and jesus and that which has been vouchsafed to all the other prophets. By their sustainer we make no distinction between any of them and it is unto him that we surrender ourselves.

Well Um, but practically islam does make a distinction. Because anytime you quote anybody but muhammad. If I quote any biblical verse As teaching something other than What is found in the quran? Um that becomes corrected by the quran and by muhammad so there You do make a distinction because of the fundamental idea of the corruption of what has come before God also states in surah 262.

Rest assured that those who believe in the quran And those who follow the jewish scriptures and the christians whoever believes in god in the last day and performs good deeds Will be rewarded by their lord.

They will have nothing to fear or to regret. Well, yeah, that's a very very important text but unfortunately, it immediately raises all sorts of questions about Abrogation and how many people in islamic history has taught that this has been abrogated By what came after it?

And the deep influence that the doctrine of abrogation has had upon the development of the various strains of islamic theology, obviously if If your favorite theologians abrogate that text then the resultant stream Is going to be very different in its conclusions and somebody over here who doesn't abrogate it hence has to make room for it.

Um, nothing is mentioned By this article about that. But here's the the key issue, of course, there are theological differences between christians and muslims. But worshiping god differently does not mean we worship a different god.

Now that what how does that sound familiar? Heard that recently. Yeah, mirasol wolf from yale. So mirasol wolf. And the muslims are basically saying the same thing. Well these muslims. Um because thankfully I know of muslims that think To be honest with you.

I mean, this is gonna sound condescending. I'm, sorry. I'm not trying to insult anybody here, but forgive me, but This is just shallow thinking. It's shallow thinking. Uh, and it's shallow thinking on the muslims part, too.

I I'm, sorry. I just I just have to say it and I have to keep getting some ribos on the vocal cords down there, um. It's shallow thinking because The theological differences are not merely in practice or in methodology of worship but in the identity of the one being Worshipped and if the article is we worship the same god.

Then the issue must be focused upon that matter of who that god is. Okay um and I I don't. I don't since I know muslims who have thought that through and go. Yeah, there is a fundamental difference there.

I have a hard time then with intelligent muslims Who seemingly don't want to think through what the end result of that is? That's that's troubling to me. Uh, it it really is. Um, so. Anyways, um, this was an article that I found somewhat troubling.

Uh. It did go on to say throughout history rigid and inaccurate theological positions on the nature of god. And on the beliefs of other faiths resulted in conflict and lost opportunities for mutual understanding.

Okay, what do you mean by that? How about some examples? Well, we see such extremism today in the anti-islamic actions and beliefs of isis and its ilk. So does isis. Identify christian worship as shirk.

Yes most definitely most definitely. Would I say that? Would I think that the majority? Of salafi muslims around the world would identify uh christian worship as shirk. Yes when Sheikh yasser khadi addressed shirk 15 years ago.

Did he have any hesitation in identifying christian worship? as Shirk. No, does he now? Seems to um, so I I respect someone Who will stand up and say Tawhid Is so central and necessary to true worship of god.

That if you deny it now, of course, I would argue we're not denying the oneness of god. By a stretch of imagination but in the islamic interpretation of what tawhid means. Radical Unitarian monotheism.

Then if you say tawhid is necessary for the true worship of god. So much so that those who commit shirk. There is no forgiveness for them in the afterlife and the quran says it and i've never heard anybody Make an argument that that text in surah four has been abrogated.

Never heard anybody make an argument for that. On what basis. But what meaningful doctrine of abrogation would allow you to abrogate that text if it's unforgivable. Then I have respect for a muslim that will say you're emotional.

Um because I obviously on the other hand say Tawhid. Given that you come after the revelation. God has made of himself in jesus christ and reject it. You are rejecting God's self-revelation of himself.

That that is not acceptable worship in god's sight. You bunch of radicals. Well, that's that's how that seems to be. Uh that they what they're saying. Interesting it says we also see similar forms of religious and political extremism in the statements of public figures like donald trump and ben carson.

Interesting because I certainly. You know, I have tremendous Differences with ben carson as a seventh day at venice. But good grief, I see a huge difference between ben carson and trump when it comes to this type of stuff.

The purveyors of different forms of extremism feed off each other to reinforce their own bigotry and to gain unthinking and uncritical support. It is up to the mainstream followers of all faiths to reject rigid and extremist ideologies and to come together to marginalize extremists of all stripes.

So I guess Kara would want to see me marginalized because they would identify my stance as extremist. Because I believe what first john 2 says there you go um. Let me see if I can. I I wanted to have this up in a different format and I apologize for that.

But I do need to briefly address um. The issue of kent hovind here, uh yesterday. I yesterday morning a bunch of people started sending me stuff um concerning what Kent hovind had said on His kent hovind official youtube page where he answers emails and stuff.

Dr. Dino, uh. Is back at it and I responded. With a screen flow video yesterday. Because basically what dr. Hovind did was he uh, he punted. Uh, well here, uh, do you have it? Yeah, let's um, I plugged it in let's uh, let's hear what he had to say.

Unfortunately, I unfortunately took note of your recent comments accusing me of dishonesty. In regards to the radio encounter I had with mrs. Ripplinger in november of 1993. I wonder sir. Have you listened to the recordings of the encounter that have been posted literally for decades on the internet james?

I have not i'm sorry. Have you inquired of the host on the program whether the recordings are accurate? I don't know that. Now did you catch that? Um. Um, no, he has not inquired of pat shaughnessy or anybody else.

He hasn't listened to the encounter. And so what I did yesterday and what he does here is he made well. It might have been a different encounter. There weren't any other encounters. If if gail ripplinger was talking about an encounter between she and I.

That's the only one there's ever been because after that she wouldn't debate anybody so. What what other what other encounters could there be? Um. He hasn't listened. He hasn't done his homework. And basically he just punted and said well here here's gail's number give her a call.

He I had to replay the video from before where he was saying I was lying. He didn't say gail ripplinger says he was lying. He said That I was lying In the previous video, so he just he's just trying to duck responsibility for doing the right thing in this situation.

Well evidently um. We've gotten some uh, some emails. You didn't send me any of them. Did you? No, I didn't no. Okay. Well, we've gotten some some emails from folks that just feel that i'm just being terribly unkind.

I can't hold it. So if someone can go on Publicly accuse you of lying not just lying. Okay, you gotta understand something editing the tapes. Do you do you realize how seriously I take something like that.

Given what I do. The idea of I mean i've had people edit my stuff. Peter lumpkins edited my stuff remember. And we've had people try to suppress stuff. We had barry lynn try to suppress the debate we did with him and and Scott what's-his-face is still sitting on the Scott butler is still sitting on the videos of the first two PACO debates and and uh, you know, we've.

We had um, st Joseph communications had a set up a camera At the at the tim staples debate on papal infallibility, but wouldn't give us recordings. I know it wasn't it wasn't really for distribution. It was just so that tim could uh, you know, uh Practice how he presents stuff and we've had a bunch of things like that happen.

And so the accusation Against me that I would edit My encounter to make someone look back is an absolute repudiation of everything i've ever done everything I've ever stood for everything. That'd be like me saying kent hovind is a secret evolutionist.

Okay, and he thinks he can get away with that and I should just sit back and go. Oh, well, you know whatever hey if you're too busy don't worry about. Get real. And so beyond that. Evidently there seems to be and one reason I want to bring this up was which tells me that one of the uh emailers Chided me rebuked me.

For having made reference to kent hovind's incarceration. Go back over everything I said on the dividing line. And everything i've said in the video that I posted. Never said a word. Never said a word.

Well, okay, you know what at one point I said he's he seems he seems to have um. Become even more focused or something after getting out of prison. Maybe that's what they're referring to. I never made it an argument.

I never made it an argument. I think what happens in many of these situations is you get people who are fans. And they hear somebody say something they believe it to be true and they start repeating it.