Super Bowl "He Gets Us" & Murder on the House Floor

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I would say if the authorities didn't want us involved in the public square, they ought not to have crucified

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Jesus in the public square. Use humanistic principles. It's the same idea. Well, I would say the answer is yes. I would say that.

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Same answer. I would say what's the problem with stardust bumping into stardust? In the cosmic picture, none.

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There's no problem. Oh, right. In the cosmic picture, it won't matter. No, Mr.

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President. You are not protecting reproductive freedom. You are authorizing the destruction of freedom for one million little human beings every year.

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I'm sorry, my friends, but I am tired of seeing Jesus presented as a weak beggar.

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He is a powerful savior, and the gospel is not a suggestion, it is a command.

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Reverend Haller, don't you sympathize with that? I sympathize with every single human heart wishing to know the one true and living

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God, but I believe there's only one way that that can happen through Jesus Christ, and the gospel is about repenting of sin, not celebrating it.

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Amazing adventure. We will explore the spiritual abyss. You have not experienced this before.

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You're going to love it. Precious in the sight of the

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Lord is the death of his saints. This is going to be a tough show for us today, everybody.

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We just got word shortly before we went live that our hero of the faith, our friend, our brother in Christ, just passed into glory with the

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Lord, John Barros. Some of you guys who are longtime listeners know about John very, very well.

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John, yeah, where do you even start with John? We first learned about John in the film,

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Babies Are Murdered Here, it's still available for you guys on YouTube. I would highly encourage you guys go take a look at that after the show today, go watch

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Babies Are Murdered Here, the original one. That's where we first learned about John. We were brought under deep conviction as a young church.

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Watching Babies Are Murdered Here, Rusty Thomas' teaching in that video really convicted us and broke us as a church.

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Tony Miano, his courage and bravery and boldness. And then there was

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John Barros, and he was a different element of the film. He was somebody that was going to the

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Orlando Women's Center, in obviously Orlando, and he was preaching the gospel.

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He had been faithfully ministering out there on the sidewalk for years in silence. No notoriety, no big name, no nothing, just a faithful man of God just standing outside every single day on that hot sidewalk preaching the gospel in one of the most hostile, difficult environments.

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It's really ugly outside the Orlando Women's Center. It's very ugly. And I've said this, if you, by the way,

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I'm Jeff, that's Luke, and that's Zach. How are you? If you take a satellite image, and you can still pull it up from when

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John first started going out to the Orlando Women's Center, and you compare it to the satellite image today, you'll see that John literally wore down the sidewalk with his faithfulness.

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We'd like to find a way to get that sidewalk, because it deserves to be a monument. I'm on it.

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Yeah. It'll happen. And literally, if you go there today, you can see it right in front of you.

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He just grooves from the crutches he would stand on, and his feet, and you can put your hand across the sidewalk, and it just dips down.

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So he literally stood in front of that door preaching the gospel and calling out to those mothers and fathers for many years.

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And he saved untold thousands of children. And so we're doing what we're doing now with EAN in many ways, in many, many meaningful ways, because of the testimony and the work of John Barros.

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If he hadn't been presented to us, I just don't know, as a church, if we would have really understood that we have to do this, and it can be done.

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John became a very, very, very good friend of ours, and we went from looking on at his ministry and seeing that faithfulness, and being inspired by it, to knowing the man personally.

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Luke, tell everybody, when we were last with John, when we were asking John what he's most excited about going to heaven.

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There's a reason Joe's asking me to tell the story. I'm passing it on to you, because I can't tell the story.

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Yeah, we were having lunch with him, and where were we at? We just left the mill, or was that a different day?

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I think we just left the mill, right? Yeah. I think we had, yeah. That was the last time we served at the mill with him. And I almost went to jail for ...

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Tell you what, I know I'm rabbit -trailing now. Jeff will tell you, we left that place, and the first thing

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I said was, now I understand Peter cutting the ear off that dude. Anyways, we went to lunch with him, and I think

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Jeff asked him, what are you most looking forward to to heaven? And he said, not sinning anymore. And I was like, that's probably the most humble answer

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I've ever heard from anyone. So he's not sinning anymore now, and there's no more abortion for that man.

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I think one of the things I take from just knowing John, serving alongside him at different opportunities was, he was just an average guy.

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He was retired, and he finished well.

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I think that's something exceptional to be said for him, is that that man did more at his age and that stage of life than most

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Christians dare to dream of doing at that age and that stage. And I know

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I was praying the other night as we were preparing for him to enter into glory, that God would shut that place down that he ministered at for so long, and that it would be turned into a center to serve orphans and widows instead, after it's bulldozed and burned, and it has something erected on its ashes that stands forever to serve those that John laid down his life to reach and to serve for the kingdom.

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And my wife and I were praying especially that it would be named after him, in memorial to him, to commemorate his honor.

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And yeah, he is a major, major reason why we do what we do.

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And he left his mark, literally. He left his mark.

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And I hope and pray to finish how he left his mark.

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St. Andrew's Church, that's Dr. R .C. Sproul's church that he was pastoring, and it was

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Dr. Sproul that helped to get John the ministry funding that he needed to stand out there every day to preach the gospel and save those children.

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And another really interesting fact is that occasionally, fairly regularly,

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Dr. Sproul used to come out to the Orlando Women's Center just to sit on the sidewalk and watch and pray.

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And what was the story, Luke, that John told us is that John was at one point wondering like if what he was doing was valuable, meaningful, if, you know, like what good is one man going to do outside?

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They keep pouring babies in here to kill. And Sproul was there that day, and John, I think, was just reflecting on the fact like I'm just one man.

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Like where's everybody else? Like, you know, how come this isn't happening everywhere kind of thing. I remember this, yeah.

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He just had a moment of discouragement, which happens quite often out there when you're standing outside of hell's gates.

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And Sproul said to him, you just occupy the sidewalk,

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John, and God will bring the world to you. And my goodness, was that like prophetic.

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Yeah. And that's like, that's what happened. And John has told us so many stories of miracles and crazy things that happen out there through faithfulness.

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If you don't mind, in honor of John, I'm going to go ahead and play, I know you guys want to get to the show today.

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You know, we got a lot to talk about, some stuff that happened in Iowa that you need to know about. And we're going to try to get to the he gets us stuff.

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But in honor of the passing of our good friend, let me play this. Yeah, a few months ago,

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I was out preaching and I don't like to stop preaching once I get started. And, you know, we always have people behind us on the road that are, as I'm sure everybody that does this kind of ministry has, they all run by and roll their windows down to have such pleasantries for you to help you on your day.

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But somebody was behind me as I was preaching and they were, you know,

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I couldn't understand the word they were saying and they were getting very loud and everything.

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And my dear friend, Yoli said, John, you need to come talk to this guy said,

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Yoli, not now. I don't have time. I said, she goes, No, really? So I said,

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Okay. So I turn around and I look out. Here's this gentleman sitting in his car and he's driving a transportation car that delivers patients to doctors.

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So he's got this patient in the back of his car, but he stopped there literally crying his eyes out.

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So I go over there to talk to him and say, Are you okay? You know, what's going on? And he's going on and on and on in Spanish and Yoli's translating and he's saying,

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Thank you. Thank you for preaching. You were here. We were here almost a year ago and we heard your preaching and we were sitting in that room and we got in our cars and we left and we just want to thank you.

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And then the passenger, the poor passenger, he was happy for the driver, but he just went ahead and got out of the car and walked to his appointment.

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And then the guy gets his wife on the phone on FaceTime. And so I'm looking at his wife, beautiful wife, on his phone, on FaceTime with a little baby.

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She's bawling her eyes out, crying and crying, talking in Spanish, bouncing her baby around and I'm just going,

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Wow, this is pretty cool. And when they were done and I said, Thank you. I said,

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Well, hey, why don't you come to St. Andrews and and we'll go we'll go after church.

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We'll go get some lunch or something and have a have a talk. Just have a great afternoon. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. We'll do that. And I said, Well, that's great. That's wonderful. And I think

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I had a time of prayer for him. And then I said,

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Well, I got to go back. I got to finish preaching here. There's a bunch more people in here that were just like you were on the day you were here.

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And so he he said, OK, thank you. And I turned around to walk away and then something hit me like, like what?

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And I couldn't figure it out. And it was like, what is what am I missing? I felt like I was missing something.

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People watching this probably already figured it out. You're a lot smarter than me. But I I didn't get it.

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And I got back over to where I preach. And then it hit me. I said, Yoli, stop that car. And she goes,

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Why? I said, Stop that car. And she yelled for him and he stopped. We went walking over there and I said,

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I think his name's Alejandro. I said, Alejandro, how? I have to ask you a question.

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How in the world did you understand the preaching?

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Because I don't preach in Spanish. And he said, I heard every word that you preached in my own language.

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And I'll never forget that. I could not believe that. And again, that's it doesn't happen all the time.

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It doesn't happen to everybody. So you don't have to it's it's not all about you. It's you just have to be willing to go.

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And God makes up for the deficits. God makes up for the things. I can't tell you how many people that don't speak a language that God pulls out of that place.

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I don't know. It's just it's just beautiful. He is the one that does all the things that anything good down there is from him.

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It's certainly not from me or anyone else on that sidewalk. We we don't have that kind of power and never will.

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It's my favorite story of his. One of the verses I think of when

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I think about John is the Hebrews Hall of Faith, where it says they were stoned.

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They were sawn in two. They were killed with the sword. And then the description is of whom the world was not worthy.

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When I think about John, that's what I think of. I think that the world wasn't worthy of him.

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And that's just so common too for John. He always would want to make sure, and he meant it.

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He wasn't just trying to be self -debasing. He meant it because he just knew his own capabilities and deficiencies.

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And he just always wanted to make sure people understood that what was happening out there with the lives saved and all these miracles that would happen was truly

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God. It was of God and not him. Because John would just, even at times he would just say,

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I don't know why God uses me. Why did he choose me to do this work? He didn't even think he was very good at it.

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And man, there's just so many stories. I mean, obviously as Christians you grieve.

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But you grieve as those who have hope, not like the world. We know that right now

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John is experiencing incomprehensible joy right now.

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And so we're happy for him. But we're going to miss him.

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And we'll see him again. I called him the other day.

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We all did. But I had been missing him because when I was calling him when

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I was in Iowa, he wasn't doing well. And so I kept calling.

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We set a time, and then he would be sleeping and really struggling. So I was missing him. I was like, oh, no,

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I'm not going to get to say goodbye to him. I mean, I already have said goodbye to him, but I mean on the phone when he's truly passing.

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And I finally was able to call, was it two days ago, yesterday maybe? And he was very close to dying, but still able to, you knew that he was listening to people around him.

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So his wife Rebecca put me on the phone with him, and I was able to pray with him and just give him God's words about forgiveness and eternal life.

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And I said, John, I just want you to do one thing for me.

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I said, wait for me. I said, we'll be there soon with you. And she said that his hand shot up.

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So we couldn't have done the show today without mentioning at least that.

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And we know, we said before, I looked at the guys and I said, are we going to be able to do this show today?

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And they said, yeah. And then Zach said, and I agree with him, John would have wanted us to do this show today, because what we're talking about is vital.

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It's everything to do with everything John worked for. That's right. With that, we're going to try to transition and refocus ourselves.

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Forgive us everybody for the start of the show today and everything I know that you came because of the title, but here we go.

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So just want to quickly say, go to Apologyistudios .com to get more. If you guys are new listeners to the show, just know that this show is a benefit to the world and all the things you see coming from Apologyistudios happens because everybody has all access at Apologyistudios .com.

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So go and get that. We'll do some of the other stuff. We'll point you to just a little later on in the show.

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Need to update you on something that is so, so important. So everybody who watches this show and knows about our ministry knows that EAN, End Abortion Now, is a ministry or apology of church, and we've raised up and trained for free with giving away every resource, about 1 ,000 churches across the

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United States and globally. We've been able to raise up churches to save lives, to do what John was doing in Northern Ireland, the

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Republic of Ireland. We've been to Scotland. We just started setting up churches in Germany.

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So it's happening globally now, but mostly across the United States of America at mills across the country.

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Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of children have been saved through that work, but everybody also knows that God has given to us the privilege and the grace to be able to speak prophetically with the

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Word of God and the Gospel to legislators across the United States of America. In this legislative session, we had 21 prospective bills happening across the

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United States of America. Some of these are bills that we directly work to put in, and some of them are bills of faithful ministers and other churches and organizations, and it's their work, and we're backing them up.

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We're all working together. But the Lord gave to us an opportunity to, as the church, get a bill into the state of Iowa under Representative Zach Deacon, faithful Christian, solid, solid, solid brother, great legislator, and Zach Deacon himself, he put a bill of equal protection for all humans from fertilization into the state of Iowa.

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This bill was House File 2256. House File 2256, Representative Zach Deacon.

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Now, what's interesting about this, and everyone needs to hear this, is the bill is so patently obvious in terms of what is true and what the church and what the so -called pro -life organizations ought to believe.

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The bill says that we are in the image of God. It says that we are human from fertilization, and that all humans from fertilization in the state of Iowa deserve equal protection under the law.

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Now, what's amazing is that Zach and I were just talking about this before the show today, is that what happens typically across the

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U .S. when we get these bills in, the establishment, the pro -life establishment, the greatest enemy to the abolition of abortion in the

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United States of America, I will say it again, and I can prove it to you. No question. Greatest enemy to the end or abolition of abortion in the

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United States of America is not the pro -choice industry, not the pro -choice movement. It is the pro -life industry and pro -life establishment.

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That is a fact, and I can prove it. The establishment looks at these bills, and what's amazing is when they see them without, so I should say this, legislators see the bill, and even some pro -life organizations, they'll see the bill, and they will immediately go, oh my goodness, that's what we say we believe.

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It's human from fertilization. All life is sacred. Every life deserves to be protected. We want equal protection.

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This is a human being from fertilization. Absolutely, that's our bill. So that happened in Louisiana. It happened in almost every state we've ever gone to.

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The bill goes in. The establishment, the organizations go, hey, that's our bill. And that's what happened actually in Iowa.

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In Iowa, you had a number of pro -life organizations like Iowa Right to Life supporting the bill, putting their check, yeah, we support this bill, equal protection for all humans from fertilization, and then comes in the industry and says, uh -uh -uh, that's actually not what we want.

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It's really like clockwork at this point. Yeah, it is like you're just waiting for it to happen. We weren't surprised by it. As a matter of fact, I was only surprised that it took them so long.

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I remember when we were in the statehouse walking around, and I said, wait, to our representative, because he's like, yeah, all these pro -life groups are on board.

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And I'm like, well, have they read it yet? Yeah, yeah, they have. And they were like, yeah, we signed off on this. And I was like, well, we'll see how long that takes.

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And so what happens is these pro -life organizations, these pro -life legislators that look at the bill and go, hey, that's what we believe, right, of course we'll pass this bill.

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They then get a talking to. They get a talking to by the industry itself, and the industry reminds them of their doctrine.

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That is opposed, that's in opposition to our doctrine. And if you don't know this, you need to know this.

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Christians, pastors, churches need to understand this. The pro -life establishment believes the same fundamental thing about law regarding abortion for women who willfully take the lives of their children in their womb.

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Let me give it to you so you hear it at the start of the show, because you need to hear this. The pro -choice, the pro -aborts, that establishment, that industry, believes that a woman ought to be able to take the life of her child in her womb with legal immunity, that is protection under the law to do it, and with impunity, that is to say no punishment and without consequence.

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That is the position of the pro -choice establishment, the pro -choice movement. It is also the position of the pro -life establishment.

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It is the same position when it comes to law. The pro -life establishment believes that a woman ought to be able to take the life of her child in the womb with legal immunity.

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Proof of that is that they want all the bills related to abortion in the state to have a caveat that says that this bill will not apply to the mother of the baby being aborted.

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They want legal immunity for the mother who takes the life of her child, and they want her to do it with impunity.

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Proof of that is not just what happened in Arizona. It's not just what happened in Louisiana.

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It's not just what happened in every state in our union. Proof of that, that we've got these bills in, is what just happened in the state of Iowa.

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Happened again. Representative Zach Deacon places the bill in. It's got all the support from the pro -life legislators that see it and go,

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Yeah, we believe that. And pro -life organizations locally that didn't get a talking to yet. And the bill was killed by Representative Stephen Holt who had the responsibility and the opportunity to give the bill a hearing so that it could get to the floor.

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And so what happened was Representative Stephen Holt is an inconsistent man.

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He does not hold to a Christian worldview on this issue. I know that he professes faith in Jesus Christ, but Representative Stephen Holt now has blood on his hands.

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He killed the bill of equal protection and abolition for all humans from fertilization in the state of Iowa. He absolutely refused to give it a hearing.

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And earlier this week, while he was just inundated, and I mean that, inundated with phone calls and messages from pastors across the state of Iowa, from Christians across the state of Iowa, and from pastors and Christians across the

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United States of America, he was getting inundated. He tried to say that he thought it was a bad strategy, that he wanted to take a different methodological approach.

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He wanted to actually to compromise and deal with cowardice and not just say what he means and do what he says he believes.

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He says that he got into the legislature because he wanted to defend the pre -born. It turns out he does not want to defend the pre -born from their mothers.

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Let that hang, because that's a fact, and I can prove it to you. Representative Stephen Holt thwarted justice for the pre -born in the state of Iowa.

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He is guilty, guilty, guilty. There is no excuse for what he did. He professes to be pro -life.

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He takes pro -life dollars, and he takes pro -life votes. He says he wants to defend the pre -born, but he does not want to defend the pre -born from their mothers.

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He was obviously given instruction about yesterday afternoon, evening.

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He was actually given instruction and found out, oh, lo and behold, an equal protection bill, which, by the way, does not mention a woman.

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It does not mention a class of people. It mentions conduct. It mentions a definition of what's in the womb.

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He was instructed by the establishment that, oh, no, that would mean that a mother who willfully takes the life of her child unjustly in her womb would be seen as guilty and prosecutable under the law, and so Holt now had his new reason that he advanced last night, that actually this isn't the position of the pro -life movement.

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The pro -life movement does not want a woman to ever be seen as guilty for killing her child in the womb, and so he thought he found his cherry on top of the argument that helps to sort of distract from the cowardice in the man, and he actually went to say, this is not the position of the pro -life establishment.

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Let me read to you his words from last night. Here we go. So this is, here's his, well, this is actually not, this is seven hours ago.

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Steve Holt, Iowa House of Representatives, HF2256 update. After becoming aware that HF2256 allows for the prosecution of mothers, the

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Iowa Catholic Conference, the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition, Pulse Life Advocates, Iowa pro -life organizations since 1972,

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Iowa Right to Life, and Valor Iowa have all withdrawn their support for this, listen to him, poorly written legislation.

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Now, why is it poorly written, Representative Holt? Well, he's going to explain. No major pro -life group in the country supports the concept of prosecuting mothers.

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There is no pro -life group registered in support of this legislation, which means poorly written, according to him, means that it would mean that prosecuting mothers is now a thing in Iowa for mothers who take the lives of their children in their womb.

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By the way, as I said to Stephen Holt here, Mr. Holt, Representative Holt, you didn't finish the sentence.

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It's missing a chunk, right? Call your position, Representative Holt, call it sentimentalism, don't call it

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Christianity. Call it sentimentalism, don't call it courage. Call it sentimentalism, don't call it for life.

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It's none of those things. Your position is inconsistent, it's unbiblical, it's now led to the death of more children in your state, and you, sir, are directly responsible before God.

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Your profession of faith means zero to me in this instance because the stakes are too high.

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I don't care what you say, I care about what you do. Faith without works is dead.

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And so your profession of faith is meaningless to me, sir, because you are responsible for the injustice now perpetrated upon the pre -born children in your state.

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You are guilty, guilty, guilty. There is no excuse. And again, you didn't finish the sentence, sir.

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No major pro -life group in the country supports the concept of prosecuting mothers, period. That's strange because, you know, typically all of us who have a mama, we don't like the idea of someone prosecuting mama.

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We don't want someone prosecuting mother. However, how about Representative Holt, the mother who drowned her six -year -old in her bathtub?

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She's a mother. Should she be prosecuted? Or how about the mother who was driving down the road, pulled the car over, turned around, and shot both of her children in the chest on the side of the road?

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Should she be prosecuted? How about the mother who gives birth to a baby and then takes that baby and throws it away like human garbage in a dumpster?

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Should she be prosecuted, sir? I'd like an answer to the question, Representative Holt, because here's the truth.

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You cannot answer the question. Can't be done. Because your position is the same as the pro -choicer.

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The pro -choicer believes immunity and impunity. While human being is in the womb, when human being exits the womb, then it's a crime.

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Your position is the same as the pro -choicer in that respect.

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You do not believe that it is as human as you and worthy of the same protection and value that you have, sir, so long as it's in the womb.

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Your position is fundamentally not Christian. It is not consistent, and as I said to you,

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Representative Holt, I mean this with as much respect and honor for you and your position as possible. The blood of all of these children in Iowa, you are going to be held accountable for before a holy

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God. A holy God who commands His people this, in Isaiah chapter 1, cease to do evil, learn to do good, seek justice, correct oppression, bring justice to the fatherless.

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That fatherless, unrepresented, and unprotected child. These children in the womb.

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He says bring justice to them. Your cowardice is not convincing to me. Your inconsistencies are not convincing to me.

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And your position here is wholly unchristian, biblically and when it comes to Christian orthodoxy and the whole tradition of the

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Christian church since our inception. Your position that she is not guilty and she must be protected to do this in the womb is fundamentally anti -Christian historically.

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It is not consistent, and sir, Representative Holt, I pray for your soul, sir. I pray for your soul.

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I know that you profess to love the same Savior that we do, but your actions here have led to the death of untold numbers of children, and you will be held accountable before a holy

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God for what you did this week to thwart justice. And here's an invitation, Representative Holt. Here's an invitation.

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I invite you to come on the show. You will be treated with love, honor, and respect, but you will not be the kind of person that simply shows you a respect of persons or shows you partiality.

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I will speak to you as a Christian man, as a minister of the gospel, and I will speak to you challenging exactly what you've done here in the state of Iowa.

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Your position is inconsistent, and as I told you this week, we are going to make sure that every single

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Christian and pastor in your state learns about what you did to thwart justice for the preborn this week.

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And you're saying, you're advancing the argument, and I will stop here. You're advancing the argument. All these pro -life groups, they all agree that we can never prosecute a mother.

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Again, finish the sentence. It's a mother who willfully and unjustly takes the life of her child in the womb.

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A mother who murders her child in the womb. Finish the sentence. I know you think that you have them all on your side here, sir, but it's the same situation as happened back in the days of abolition.

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Same situation. Professing Christians who said, yeah, I know it's technically a moral monstrosity, an immoral monstrosity, and technically it's inconsistent, and it's totally not consistent with the gospel and the

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Christian worldview, but we need to find a different way to end this thing. Thank God for the abolitionists like William Wilberforce and the abolitionists in the

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South and the North and North America that didn't hold to your perspective, your methodology.

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They just gave the Christian worldview. They gave it full proof. They gave image of God.

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They had equality under the law, and thank God for those Christian abolitionists who preached the gospel, stood on the word of God, and were faithful.

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It's behind us now because of faithful Christians who were courageous. Sir, you are not named among them. You are not named among them.

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You are guilty of thwarting justice in the state of Iowa, and every minister of the gospel in the state of Iowa needs to call you to account for it, and here's the deal.

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Look, I understand this is a legislator. You've got to give honor to whom honor is due, and I want to do that. I respect your position.

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It's ordained by God, and you violated God's standards for your position this day, sir, and so you are guilty, and every minister of the gospel needs to confront you and call you to repentance because every single one of those children, their blood cries out from the ground, and you're accountable because you can't say that you believe human from fertilization.

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You can't say that you wanted to defend the preborn and then say, but I want a class of killers protected in this instance.

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I want the mother to be able to do it with immunity under the law and impunity. That's what you meant by poorly written.

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Poorly written meant equal protection, image of God, glory, hallelujah, but what you're saying is that there should have been a line in there that said this shall not apply to the mother of the baby, meaning you want a protected class of killers.

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It's not poorly written. It just comes into conflict with their doctrinal position. It's a disagreement, not that it's poorly written.

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Right, and so I said to him, and I'll just read this line and pass it over to you, Luke. I said, question for you.

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I said, since you believe women ought to be able to kill their children in the womb with legal immunity and without punishment, do you believe those same women ought to be prosecuted if they kill their newborns?

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I'd like to see you answer that question, Representative. Can you do that for us? Can you publicly answer that question as to whether you believe a woman who kills her newborn baby ought to be prosecuted?

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Because if you do, it demonstrates that you don't really believe that the preborn are human like us.

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Yeah. You hold to the same position as the pro -choicers. Oh no, it's on its way to being human.

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We should sort of respect it, is the pro -life position. But the pro -choicers believe the same thing. You know, in the womb, we don't like this, we wish it didn't happen, but we should have the right to do it without any kind of punishment or consequences.

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But once it travels through the magical birth canal, and once it's actually in front of me, well then, in that case, in that case, we should offer it protection.

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Except now with some of these ballot measures where they'll say, however, however, if extraordinary medical means are necessary to preserve the child's life when it's exited the birth canal, then they should also be up for grabs in the womb as well.

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Meaning preemies are up for grabs. See, pro -choicers hold to your same position. Representative Holt, you hold fundamentally to the same position as the pro -choicers.

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You do. You do. And you can't argue that position. I challenge you to join us on the show to argue that point.

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I will demonstrate to you, and you will not be able to refute it, that you hold to the same fundamental position as the pro -choicers when it comes to the woman and that legal protection she deserves under the law to kill her child in the womb.

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Your position is the same. It is not Christian. Stop pretending that it is. Yeah, I was just going to say,

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I mean, we all know that Christians always like to shout, Romans 13, Romans 13, obey your leaders.

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Submit to the authorities. And, I mean, Representative Holt, if you're watching this, I would encourage you to read very carefully through Romans chapter 13.

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Paul is very clear that you have your authority because God's given it to you and lays out what your jurisdiction is and that is to protect the innocent and punish the evildoer.

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And, sir, you're doing the opposite of that. You're punishing the evil and protecting the evildoer in this situation.

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That's right. So you should really, really pray through that. And if you happen to know Representative Holt and you go to his church, you should talk to his pastor.

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Yep. Absolutely. So I want to let you guys hear from his own mouth here. This is Representative Holt. This is last night he posted this video.

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Again, clearly Representative Holt was instructed and updated by the powers that be in the pro -life establishment because his original argument against giving the bill a hearing was just in terms of strategy and those sorts of things and then it flipped and now he is all in on, oh my goodness, this would prosecute women.

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That's poorly written. Pro -lifers don't believe that. And so this is - It's amazing how that changed. Yeah. Up front it was strategically this is unwise.

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Let's wait to see how the Supreme Court of Iowa rules on the heartbeat bill. Yeah. This is how we got to this point is by being strategic and then lo and behold it's the doctrine of the pro -life establishment.

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Yeah. Here we go. So this is his reality check HF 2256 and jailing mothers.

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Such manipulation. Jailing mothers. It's deceptive language. It's very deceptive language. But mothers who murder their children in the womb.

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Reality check. A horrific piece of legislation known as HF 2256 and the real fight for life.

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Hello everyone. For Freedom Watch I'm State Representative Stephen Holt. As Chair of House Judiciary I'm called upon to determine whether bills assigned to my committee receive a subcommittee or not.

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I receive lots of bills. Some of them well written. Some of them not. There have been various bills advanced by some this session with the intention of protecting unborn children.

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As Chair of House Judiciary some have come to my committee. Unfortunately while well meaning some of these initiatives were not well thought out strategically nor were they well thought out in terms of the implications and practice of what they would actually do if enacted.

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I would offer the following perspective to those who actually care about winning the fight for our unborn children as opposed to attacking others simply because they disagree on the best path forward to protect our unborn children.

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So quickly this is not a disagreement over simply the best path forward. This is a foreign and antithetical world view.

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And really a novel position in the history of the Christian Church. That's exactly right. I think people need to really get that emphasized in their minds is that the argument coming from the other side is what you guys are advocating for the pro -life movement has never advocated for.

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It's like no flip that on its head. Your position is the novel one. The Christian Church has been united throughout history on this point.

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In some ways excessively united. Like saying to a woman early on in the church that if you've had an abortion you're guilty of murder you have to turn to Christ for forgiveness for that.

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And we'll bar you from the table. And we're going to ban you from the table for like a period of 10 years. That was excessive and wrong. That's how committed

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Christians have been in history to this being murder for her being guilty and her needing forgiveness. By the way,

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Representative Holt I don't know if anyone has said this to you yet but you profess faith in Jesus. You are saying that women are victims here.

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You are saying they are not guilty which means that don't preach the gospel to them about their abortion because they're victims too just like they're babies.

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In other words you've not only you've not only thwarted justice for the pre -born you've now removed the gospel for the mother.

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Because if she's not guilty she doesn't need forgiveness Representative Holt. Right? And so when he talks about defending the pre -born defending the unborn defending children in the womb let's make sure that we're all clear

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Representative Holt does not believe that that child in the womb and the pre -born and the unborn deserve equal protection like you and I do.

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He is on record now saying it. He believes that there is a class of killers who deserve legal immunity under the law.

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When he calls it horrific legislation what's horrific to him to his mind is that it would mean that a woman who willfully and unjustly takes the life of a child in the womb would be seen as guilty under the law.

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He does not believe that she is guilty under the law. She must be afforded legal immunity. So that's the horrific part of the legislation.

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Make that very clear. The bill is well written. It's written by a constitutional attorney who's argued an amicus brief before the

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Supreme Court. The bill is very well written. It's just in complete opposition to his world view.

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It's not simply a methodological difference. It's a world view difference. You don't believe

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Representative Holt that human beings in the womb deserve the same value and protection as you do or your children who are living do.

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You believe that they are valuable in some way but there must be a class of people who can kill them and get away with it.

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That's what you believe. And again, as Zach said, your position is the novel one in history. Your position is the novel one in history.

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That can be demonstrated to you ad infinitum, ad nauseam throughout Christian history how Christians have spoke to this issue on the basis of the word of God with consistency and even in the law.

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Sir, your position is the anti -Christian, anti -historical position. You are the novelty in history and it is your position that is leading to more and more death.

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First of all, many of you who have followed me in my years in office fighting for conservative values know that one of the main reasons

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I ran for office was to fight for unborn children. I voted for the original heartbeat bill and also worked and voted for it the second time.

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So he voted for the heartbeat bill twice. Let's talk about that for a minute. Is that consistent?

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Is a heartbeat bill consistent? Or is it what God would call partiality? Is it unequal stones?

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Is it unequal weights and measures? An abomination. An abomination, he calls in the scriptures a number of times, actually.

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He calls that kind of partiality an abomination. Because I have a question. I thought, I thought that the pro -life position was that we are human from fertilization.

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I thought the pro -life position was that life begins at fertilization. That is a biblical fact and claim.

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And it is an unavoidable, indisputable, incontrovertible, biological fact.

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It's a fact. Human life begins at fertilization. The only difference is the difference of degree at that point.

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But you are you, the human you are now, you are that human at fertilization. I thought that the pro -life position was that position.

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I thought that. And what's interesting here is you have a man who's bragging on the fact that he voted for a heartbeat bill.

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Wait, I thought that it was human life from fertilization. I didn't know the position was when there's a beating or working heart, we're human and worthy of protection.

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And extending that, that's what the pro -life movement historically has said is the moral obligation.

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Because it's human from fertilization, it must be protected from that point until natural death.

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That's right. So if you're saying out of one side of your mouth, it must be, it ought to be, it's a moral obligation that life be protected from the very beginning, and then you're legislating out of the other side of your mouth saying, we will concede and accept that we can protect babies with a working heart.

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Yeah. That's lying. Right. It's a lie. Yeah, exactly. And what's interesting too is that Representative Holt, you may not be familiar with this, but the

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National Right to Life and those major pro -life organizations, the industry that's guiding you, that industry years ago, we have them on record telling people not to do the heartbeat bills.

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They wanted to go for a different approach because they thought there'd be consequences for going for the heartbeat bill. By the way, heartbeat bills, you want the assassin who's being paid to murder the child, you want them to find a heartbeat.

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If they can't find a heartbeat, then they can kill the child. This is a person who murders children for a living.

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You think that they're going to find the heartbeat? So in many cases, it would just be a moot point. But it's not the

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Christian position that a working heart is what makes you valuable. In that case, there's a lot of elderly people, a lot of people who need heart transplants that probably have some questions.

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Representative Holt, if what makes me fundamentally human is a working heart, it's not a

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Christian position. Being human is what makes you valuable. Yeah, image of God, human by nature is what makes you valuable.

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And all of it, respectfully, sir, is irrelevant now.

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That's correct. All of your pro -life accolades, your resume here, sir, is now a throwaway and irrelevant, however inconsistent it was.

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It's all irrelevant because you had the bill before you that says what you say you believe.

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And that is that it is human from fertilization and all human life deserves equal protection. And you, sir, killed that bill and you made sure that it would not get a hearing or get to the floor.

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And now you are attempting to vilify the bill that you say you believe. And the only part of the bill, to my understanding, that you don't believe, that you don't profess to believe, is that it doesn't afford protection for mothers to kill their own children.

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Because that's what you want. That's what makes it horrifying, is that there should be a class of killers allowed to kill their children.

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I believe we must continue to do that if we are to achieve ultimate victory. Some will say we have not gotten anywhere and while it is true that abortion continues and we must continue to fight against it every day, it is profoundly false to say we have not gotten anywhere.

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When our original heartbeat bill and 72 -hour waiting period were struck down by the courts, creating a fundamental right to abortion in the

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Iowa Constitution that had never existed before, I advanced the idea of passing a 24 -hour waiting period as a way to force the court to revisit the issue.

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By that time, as a result of the judicial nomination reforms that I floor -managed into law, numerous justices had been replaced on the

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Iowa Supreme Court, justices that were much more constructionist and conservative because the reforms

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I floor -managed fundamentally changed the makeup of the court. Because of these changes, I believed it possible we could get a different ruling.

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I believed with the passage of a 24 -hour waiting period that Planned Parenthood would sue, and they did, and that it would end up once again in front of a now much more constructionist

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Iowa Supreme Court. And that's exactly what happened. And now we need to talk about the historic

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Christian doctrine of the lesser magistrate. Because the Supreme Court in any state and the

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Supreme Court federally is not the supreme being. There is this doctrine historically that our nation was built upon, sir, and it's called

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Lex Rex. The law is king. And that means that there is a transcendent law that lesser magistrates are obligated to uphold always, and that's ultimately

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God's law. This is something that came over from the Covenanters, the Huguenots.

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It's in British common law. It's the historical tradition of how our law works, sir. And you just saw it in action in the state of Texas, where the

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Supreme Court made a ruling regarding the Border Patrol, and the state of Texas said to the Supreme Court, you can go pound sand, because we are the sovereign state of Texas.

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We have an obligation to protect our citizens. The law that is transcendent is above your ruling.

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Your ruling is fallacious. It's something that happened, Dred Scott, where the Supreme Court gave an abominable decree and said that slaves needed to return to their masters, and thank

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God for northern states that told the Supreme Court, you can go pound sand. We're going to flex our rights as lesser magistrates.

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We're not listening to your lawlessness and your decree. And what you ought to have done in the legislature and in the government and the state of Iowa is you should have actually said, no, these are human beings.

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We're going to protect these human beings at any cost, and the Supreme Court can go pound sand. You should have had that fight.

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That's the more courageous fight, is to flex your position for the sake of the citizens of Iowa like Governor Abbott did in the state of Texas.

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And it's a constitutional position, and it's a biblical position. Right. Because they're going against the

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Constitution. That's the point. Which says, no person may be deprived of the right to life.

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Life. That's the first fundamental right. You're the law -abiding one if you reject any decree that denies what the law says.

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Proverbs 28, 4, those who forsake the law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law strive against them.

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Yeah. That's the lesser magistrate in action. That's right. That's right. And these are all just excuses.

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You know, it's like, I'm sitting here listening, and it's all just one excuse after another to just not do the right thing.

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And a 24 -hour waiting period? If he really believes that? Okay. As long as the mother jumps through this hoop, then she can kill her baby law.

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Right, exactly. That's what that is. Yeah. Not impressive, sir. Can I say that to you with as much due honor and respect that I can?

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Not impressive. And let me ask you this, Representative Holt, because you profess faith in Jesus. If you put these moves of legislation before the throne of God on the last day, these bills of partiality, you can kill these kids but not these kids?

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Permission. You can kill these kids as long as you have a 24 -hour waiting period or whatever these things are. You can kill these kids with these tools but not these tools.

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If you put that legislation before a holy God on the last day, does he hate that legislation or does he approve of it?

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Answer that question, Representative Holt, and I think you have the answer to your position. God hates partiality.

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He hates unequal weights and measures. He calls it an abomination. And so all of this talk of all the partiality and all these moves of compromise and all the rest in the midst of baby murder, it's thoroughly unimpressive to a person who actually wants to stand on the

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Word of God and be consistent. You should take this in, my friend.

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You should take this in and reflect on it. Don't resist it and be prideful. Don't be haughty.

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Take it in and reflect on your position. When you think through what you have been saying to vilify this bill,

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I want to ask you to think about what you are saying. You say that she should not be prosecuted, she should be immune if she kills her child willfully in the womb.

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Do I believe that if a mother kills her child outside of the womb, she should be given legal immunity and she should be free from prosecution?

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No, you don't believe that, which says something about what you believe is actually in the womb. And what you believe about what's actually in the womb is thoroughly inconsistent.

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This strategic decision resulted in the Iowa Supreme Court striking down the previous

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Supreme Court decision that had created a fundamental right to abortion in the Iowa Constitution. And this was a monumental triumph in the fight for the unborn.

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Around that same time, the U .S. Supreme Court struck down Roe v. Wade. Unfortunately, the

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Iowa Supreme Court was ambiguous in their ruling and they failed to allow the heartbeat bill to go into effect.

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So, we pass the heartbeat bill once again in special session. And I was one of the loud voices calling for a special session to pass the heartbeat bill.

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The court challenge is currently moving through the system, ultimately to be decided by the Iowa Supreme Court in the months to come.

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Earlier, I mentioned the importance of being strategic. Many pro -life legal experts believe it important that we wait for the heartbeat decision before determining our next course of action.

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Don't you love how these politicians that deal in pragmatism use that language? Yeah. The pro -life experts.

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We talk about experts and strategy. Experts and strategy. Yeah. It's a way of getting around the obvious, and that is that you are thoroughly inconsistent.

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You are not courageous. Exactly. What is the mechanism guiding their strategy?

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Right, not scripture. No. Not a bold, humble, biblical worldview.

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Not that. It's the pro -life experts. Here's my suggestion to you, Representative Holt, and I want to honor your position as someone in government.

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I believe God's actually created your position and decreed your position. You should be listening to the pastors in your state.

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That's who you should be listening to. Those are the, quote, experts you should be relying on. Because that's actually the way it should work.

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That's right. The state has their duty to be a deacon, a servant of the true God, not some other

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God, the true God. And what you should be doing is you should be asking and leaning on the wisdom and the theological experience and expertise of the ministers of the gospel in your state.

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They should be telling you, Brother, this is the word of God. Thus sayeth the Lord. Hear His words. Obey His voice.

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Do what He calls you to do. Those are the experts you should be listening to. Not the legal strategists and the pro -life experts and all the rest, because their position is fundamentally not

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Christian and it's inconsistent. And I have one more thing to suggest to you if you just would think about this, humbly, please do.

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Think about this humbly. What if you got the heartbeat bill? What if you got it?

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State of Iowa. Heartbeat. Find a heartbeat. Can't kill the baby. Okay? Kill the other ones. If you can't find a heartbeat, you can kill them.

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But if you find a heartbeat, you can't kill that baby. Great, okay. Now, let's say that a woman in the state of Iowa takes pills, does it on herself.

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She does DIY. She does a do -it -yourself abortion, does it herself. She doesn't go to an abortion mill, just takes pills, right?

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Takes the pills. You want her legally immune, don't you? You want her with legal protection, don't you?

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That's your position. Is even with a heartbeat bill, abortion is never criminalized in Iowa because now you've set the stage with your position that she's a victim, she must be protected, no legal consequences whatsoever under law.

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Which means, Representative Holt, your position would never lead to the abolition of abortion. You don't want abortion to be ended criminally.

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You just want it to be regulated. You want a certain class of people to be able to do it and to do it without legal consequence.

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That is a fact. So brothers and sisters, there is a bit of Holt today.

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Can you pull up Holt's information for us real fast so we can have everyone contact and call him to repentance and tell him you're praying for him.

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You want me to send it to you so you can put it on the screen? We have the flyer. Just pull the flyer up and just give everyone the details.

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Never mind. Oh, you already have it. You go ahead and give it. I just want to make sure. Probably find it quicker. I was going to say, pull it up on the screen.

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Oh, that's a good point. Actually, I do have it right here on my page. Sorry, everybody, for the delay here.

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So I'm going to pull it up on the screen here. Just a moment. This is his information.

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All right, so there you go. So all of his information is there for you guys. I'm going to encourage you to respectfully, graciously, but boldly call

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Representative Stephen Holt, express your dissatisfaction of his inconsistency.

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Call him to repentance for thwarting justice for pre -born humans in the state of Iowa. And I want to also say, so his number there is 515 -281 -3221.

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His email address is stephen .holt at legis .iowa

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.gov. I want to express my gratitude for the churches in the state of Iowa, dozens of churches represented here in the state of Iowa who were working together so faithfully to help to establish justice for the pre -born.

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These Iowa pastors and Christians are an amazing group of people. I'll tell you what, they just leapt and jumped and moved and faithful and so amazing.

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Thank you to all of you, all of you pastors in Iowa who've been working so hard and will continue to work hard.

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We're all working together as a church on this and so I'm just so grateful and inspired by your faithfulness and your courage and your discipline to just get the work done.

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These are people who literally at last minute's notice essentially worked to get flyers out and literally drove to get to neighborhoods to put flyers on doors to notify

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Holt's constituents and his voters about what Holt has been doing and how he's thwarting justice and so let me tell you right now, you have some awesome pastors in the state of Iowa and I mean that, some awesome, awesome faithful pastors and I am so humbled that we have the opportunity to work with you and so looking forward to working together with you in the future to once and for all establish justice in Iowa and let me share with everyone before we get to the heat, he gets us stuffed quickly.

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One of the things that's really blessed me and you may not have heard me say this so I do want you to hear this is the story of William Wilberforce.

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We like to think of the story of the abolition of the slave trade in England. We like to think of William Wilberforce as the giant and the hero, it's the image of God, that's my brother, equal protection, he's using the word of God, he's faithful, pointing people to Christ, pointing people to God's law word, all that stuff.

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You like to think of the moment of like he comes before parliaments and he's preaching and parliament sort of like throws up sackcloth and ashes and is like, yo we yield and this is evil, we've done this evil thing and it's over, that's not what happened.

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It's more like Jeremiah. That's not what happened. William Wilberforce goes first before parliament and he is preaching before parliament and he's overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly rejected, rejected outright.

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At one point, when he goes before parliament, he preaches for three hours, he talks for three hours to parliament and you like to think, whoa was this like a sinners in the hands of an angry

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God moment, right? And then everyone's just broken and they end it? No! Overwhelmingly rejected.

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It took William Wilberforce speaking to parliament for about 20 years in a row.

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And then finally, because of that faithfulness, because of that truth being spoken in the public square and before the legislature, finally the hearts and minds of those in that community were finally changed and broken enough where they actually were able to do away with this ultimately.

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And I just want to put that before you for everyone who's frustrated by all this evil in Iowa and Louisiana and everywhere else.

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William Wilberforce had about 20 years on this. It's only been since about 2015 that bills of abolition have been being put in.

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First one was Senator Joseph Silk in the state of Oklahoma with our friends there in Oklahoma and we're grateful for that start to all of this and it's just growing and growing and growing but we're only in what?

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Year nine? And with Wilberforce, like that was decades of being consistent in the proclamation.

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Yeah. Not calling for half measures and settling. Yeah. Like that was decades of faithfully telling the truth. Yeah. Going all the way in your proclamation holding up God's standard.

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Yes. That's how long it took of telling the truth. Yes. That's right. So let's just tell the truth.

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Yes. And get this done. Where there's no prophetic vision that people cast off restraint but blessed is he who keeps the law.

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That's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah. So let's move now to I hate

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Macs. Can I say that out loud? I'm with you. Can I say I hate Macs? Like I'm trying to get to the videos that we

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Oh, I was like who's Macs? But then I realized you were talking about your computer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, look like I'm over here trying to like get to the bottom so I can pull there, now it finally appears.

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Oh, okay, there it finally appears. I'm sorry for all you guys that love Macs. Everyone here made me get a Mac like you need a

01:02:35

Mac because it's easier to bring stuff together all this stuff and like, you know what? I'm going to go back to I'm going to go back to the

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PC stuff. It works just fine for me when I'm leading that's all I'm saying. Yeah, well. Not the Mac, my PC I'm saying.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. I know, I know. If I had that I'd be totally happy. So let me pull this up.

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So this, we're going to do the he gets us situation. He gets us.

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He gets us. So you inform me. Or does he? I'm sorry, I'm just out of things right now, guys.

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I'm, you know, we got busy ministry stuff, pastoral ministry. We've got families. We've got end abortion now. We've got so much going on.

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And so I also got twins and I'm not sleeping a lot. So I'm not up on all of the current stuff.

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I just learned that it's a green family with Hobby Lobby that's behind, at least a large person portion.

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They have contributed quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah, to the he gets us campaign. So let's do the commercial.

01:03:30

This is the Super Bowl commercial. He gets us, lit the internet on fire and let's just take a look and analyze it and then play another one that was made in response to it.

01:03:38

So this is the he gets us Super Bowl commercial. Let's take a look. Precious heart.

01:04:02

I was standing. You were there. Two worlds collided.

01:04:13

And they could never tear us apart. We can live.

01:04:37

That's not the first time you've seen it. That's the first time I've seen it. Is it really? Yeah. Oh, are you sure? Yeah, yeah. That's the first time

01:04:42

I've seen it. I mean, I've heard everyone talking about it. So I wanted to wait to see it fully live. You wanted the full candid reaction.

01:04:49

I wanted the full reaction. Yes. Did you see the other one? Who is my neighbor? No. Did they play two during the

01:04:56

Super Bowl? Oh, I see. Okay, okay. So this is a multi -million dollar ad campaign. 17 million.

01:05:02

Altogether, about 100 million has been invested in this since it first aired. Really? So the whole campaign, not just this particular ad.

01:05:09

I think this was somewhere around 20 million to get into the Super Bowl slot. Yeah. Wow, wow, wow. So there was one last year, of course.

01:05:18

And then they were thinking about what ideas to do for this one. And they were thinking, well, what about the symbol of Jesus washing someone's feet?

01:05:28

They were inspired by this idea of Jesus loving his enemies. Yeah, yeah. Because he did, he did.

01:05:34

And I don't know if people know about He Gets Us, but if you look at their About section on their website, they consist of not only

01:05:42

Christians, but people that are, they say, curious about the message of Jesus and inspired by his person and his acts and his life.

01:05:51

And they are collaborating together with people of various backgrounds and different perspectives to create these ads that go out.

01:06:00

Yeah, so let's go to this image here up on the screen right now. This image here of some kind of a priest, minister washing the feet of, well, he's obviously gay, that's the point.

01:06:13

Yes. The way he's sitting. What makes him gay? Is it the roller skates? Is it the...

01:06:18

No, it's... It's effeminate mannerism. Yeah, it's malachoi. It's pretty self -evidently effeminate. Yeah, and, yeah.

01:06:25

And so, obviously, this is portrayed in such a way as to say, well, here's a gay guy, here's a minister washing his feet.

01:06:32

Here's the problem, fundamentally, when I first view this, is that Jesus washed the feet of his disciples.

01:06:39

Yeah, those who followed him. Who followed him. You're not going to find anywhere where Jesus is washing the feet of unrepentant people.

01:06:48

He washes the feet of his disciples to show his sacrifice, his humility, his condescension, his service to others, and giving us an example of how we should treat others in the body of Christ, he washes their feet, which is a very big deal in that culture, in that time period, feet are viewed a certain way, and so to get down there and wash feet is a very, very big deal.

01:07:06

It's a very humiliating thing, but he does it for his disciples. And I'm also remembering the woman who actually washed

01:07:13

Jesus' feet. There you go. I'm remembering how she washed his feet. As a sign of her repentance.

01:07:18

Her brokenness and washing his feet with her tears kind of thing. And her hair. And her hair. And so, but what's, you know, let me scroll back to the one scene that is jarring, there you go.

01:07:31

Yeah, that's obviously the one that would resonate. I've got stuff to say about this. It would resonate with all of us here. Because why? I'll say quickly here, the people in the background there, save the unborn, save life, they're the people who are off in the background, obviously not really helping.

01:07:49

You could be doing something better. They must just be hanging out there having a little party. Yeah, yeah. So obviously the image is supposed to say, this is the way you deal with murder at the abortion mill.

01:08:00

You wash the feet of the woman going in. I will tell you, after years of experience doing this, hard to wash the feet of the mothers who are walking and bragging about killing their children, kind of hard to do.

01:08:11

Actually, we're kind of like the ones who stand out there. And what we're doing is we're pleading with the mothers not to murder their children.

01:08:17

And we're offering, here, watch this, we're offering more than washing their feet. Let me tell you right now, if they said, wash my feet and I won't kill my baby,

01:08:24

I'd wash their feet for them. That's the kind of thing that we would do out there. But actually the people out there standing there with the signs and advocating for these children's lives, they are actually the ones who are saying, we'll adopt your baby, we'll take care of your needs, we'll pay, do you need a place to live?

01:08:40

We got a car for one of these women. The list goes on. We've paid for medical bills, we've paid for house payments, we've put groceries on their table, we've thrown them baby showers, all that stuff.

01:08:51

So we've done all those things, but I've never actually washed the foot of an unrepentant, murderous mother outside of the abortion mill going inside.

01:08:59

So that's interesting that it's being portrayed this way. And then these people being pushed to the back.

01:09:06

Go ahead. Well, one, something I just noticed that's incredibly unrealistic, she's wearing overalls, not sweatpants.

01:09:15

So they got that wrong right off the bat there. Yeah, they're told to wear comfortable clothing when they kill their children. Yeah, ain't coming in in overalls,

01:09:21

I can tell you that much. So the reason I asked if you saw Who Is Our Neighbor, because it's another one,

01:09:26

I think it's a little bit shorter maybe, but if you go to the website, they have like, you can, there's a link for it.

01:09:33

And so I took a screenshot because this is important. So remember, we're watching the one you just showed, the clinic, right?

01:09:42

Yeah. I'm assuming they make it look like she probably just had an abortion. So if you click on the

01:09:48

Who Is Our Neighbor, so talking about Jesus, it says his belief was simple and unfiltered.

01:09:53

Everyone is a neighbor, everyone in every sense of the word, not just the people in our orbit whom we have something in common with, but also the ones we don't notice, the people we don't value, and those we don't welcome.

01:10:08

Admittedly, noticing people who aren't loved ones or a part of our day -to -day life isn't always top of mind in a world that often feels more digital than tangible.

01:10:16

It's no secret that our ability to connect with each other is duller than it used to be, not to mention our attention at any given moment is being pulled into what feels like infinite directions.

01:10:26

So the ones that are unwanted and unnoticed and not valuable. And that's who's missing from this.

01:10:33

Those are our neighbors. Right. So you've got clearly the refugees. You've got all these people who are the rejected.

01:10:42

Everyone puts the people they love in their sphere, and we reject these ones, and so we should actually reach out and love those ones.

01:10:48

I love that message, by the way. Yeah. I love that message. But if you really want the unwanted, like the throwaways, you should have had one of these, like the baby, not the mother who's killing her baby.

01:11:00

Right? So where are they? But, you know, the whole theme needs to be addressed in terms of like, what does

01:11:06

Christian orthodoxy on this issue? Well, he gets us. I would say there's nothing wrong with that.

01:11:13

He gets us, because biblically, he gets us in our humanity. Yeah. Because he's the

01:11:18

God man. He is truly God and truly man. And so, yeah, I would fully be behind the branding of Jesus, who is the

01:11:26

God man. He gets us. He identifies with his people. That's right. And he gets us in our humanity.

01:11:33

He sympathizes with us in our weaknesses. He's the God man. He took on flesh. He walked among us. He experienced this world, this life.

01:11:39

He experienced hunger and pain and stomachaches and sickness. And he experienced a death of loved ones around him.

01:11:47

He was in the midst of a world that's just in so much sin and rebellion. And so he gets us.

01:11:52

He knows what it's like to have people lob false accusations at you. He knows what it's like to experience physical assault and abuse.

01:11:59

He knows what all that is. He knows for people who just sit there and stand before the cross and rail against him while he's suffering in his most painful moment.

01:12:08

He gets us in that sense. There's nothing here. There's nothing, and I've said this often, that you can bring to the

01:12:15

Lord Jesus that he doesn't identify with you in, in terms of the pain and suffering and evil of this world.

01:12:23

He gets us. He knows what that feels like. If you've been the victim of sexual assault, right, and you're yelling and crying out to commission, he gets us perfectly in our humanity.

01:12:34

But Jesus, the Lord of glory, he's the sin bearer, and he's condemned and receives the wrath of the

01:12:41

Father and the Lord lays on him the iniquity of us all. He receives that penalty due to us.

01:12:46

That's what Jesus does, but he doesn't get us in our sin. And this portrait here, right here, of this minister washing the feet of a man who is clearly unrepentantly gay, that's the point of the portrait, is not helpful for the cause of the gospel because actually what the

01:13:04

Bible teaches is a such -were -some -of -you message. And the such -were -some -of -you message is a message that is true because something comes before it, and that is a call to repentance and faith and to join

01:13:17

Jesus in his death and resurrection. Jesus says to people in his gospel message, very different, very, very different than is preached in modern evangelism today, he says, if anyone comes to me and does not hate, and now he's naming your favorite people, father, mother, and everybody else, and he says, and even his own life, he's not worthy to be my disciple.

01:13:35

Where's that in the he -gets -us stuff? Jesus says, come to die or don't come. You see, that's the biblical message.

01:13:41

Come to die or don't come. This is a mess. And guess what he gets us? Your hundred million dollars ain't saving anybody with that message because if there's no call to repentance and faith and to come to die with Jesus and rise again, then you don't have the biblical gospel.

01:13:56

You're preaching another Jesus and another gospel. And it's like with Representative Holt. Call it sentimentalism, but don't call it

01:14:04

Christianity. Call it sentimentalism, but don't call it gospel. Call it sentimentalism, but don't call it

01:14:09

Jesus because this is saving nobody because if we're not telling people to repent and believe the gospel, we're not saying what

01:14:16

Jesus said. Don't tell me what Jesus did in terms of wash his disciples' feet.

01:14:21

He had more in his ministry than that. And Jesus had some very, very hard things.

01:14:27

Let me just say this. Let me go back to the portrait real fast. Okay, here we go. Let me just scroll it back to that image because I think it's potent.

01:14:34

See this, this image right here? Family planning clinic right here, murdering children inside there, right? Get the people in the back off to the side.

01:14:40

Like you're doing this wrong, guys. You shouldn't be doing this. I'll tell you what, the people who do that have saved tens and tens and tens of thousands of lives from death.

01:14:49

So I'll stick with that crew, right? I've never seen somebody wash feet outside of an abortion mill and save a baby from death, but I've seen those people saving lots of people from death.

01:14:59

But let's say he gets us. How would Jesus respond to a moment like this where women are murdering their children inside of an abortion mill?

01:15:07

How would he respond to something like this? Well, I seem to remember Jesus saying that if you do anything to one of these little ones, it's better for you to have a millstone put around your neck and thrown into the sea.

01:15:20

Where's the millstone in this picture? Because the he gets us portion, if you're gonna show this with the little ones being destroyed and clearly

01:15:29

God's heart towards little ones and little children and all that, there's some deeper spiritual meaning behind that as well, of course, obviously, but it's based upon the principle of God's heart for the little ones.

01:15:39

He says it's better for you to have a millstone around your neck. So where's her millstone? I'm missing that in the photo.

01:15:45

That's my point. I'm just thinking through all these different ones. As far as where Christ gets us, like the abortion one.

01:15:55

He gets the baby. He was murdered. You can identify.

01:16:02

The immigrants, he gets that. Or the people that are poor, he gets that. The homosexual?

01:16:10

No. If you want to go down the different sins, he doesn't get those.

01:16:18

For the point they're trying to make. You're saying he gets them in their experience in terms of the poverty, all that stuff, but he's not gonna identify with their sin.

01:16:32

It's a distortion of the biblical truth. It's conflating. We're just gonna throw all these things into this.

01:16:37

The things that we want to protect, the things that we think Christ should represent, we're gonna put them in here.

01:16:45

Let's take one category, and let's put inside of it homosexuality and poverty.

01:16:50

He gets us. That's not how it works. And equate that to the marginalized.

01:16:56

Exactly. Because those are the groups that we're trying to reach with this. And however well -meaning the intentions were behind this, it is completely misdirected in its application.

01:17:07

Awfully so. You look at all those images, you don't see, for example, flip it on its head, and you see a person of color washing the feet of someone wearing a

01:17:18

MAGA hat. They're not trying to reach that demographic. That's perfect, but it's funny.

01:17:26

That was excellent. See, the thing is, though, there is an agenda. There's no white Christian nationalist in this, for sure.

01:17:32

And I don't think the agenda, they might profess this is to appeal to the unbeliever. But I think, in reality, it's more of a discipleship campaign for Christians.

01:17:42

Right. Here's how you ought not to be. Look at these angry people standing over here in the corner trying to shame these women.

01:17:48

That's not who you want to be. This is how you want to reach people, by washing their feet and serving them. And even that picture of what

01:17:56

Christ is doing there, doesn't he say to his disciples, if I don't wash you, it's because you have no part in me.

01:18:01

And so there is an aspect of that symbol that is priestly, right? Jesus is priestly saving work to cleanse his people, but that sympathetic priest, right?

01:18:13

That occupation that he has is for his people. Who are his people? Those who have repented and believed in him.

01:18:20

So I think there's a lot going on here. There is a weaponized empathy, because what they're wanting to do is appeal to the masses and say, look,

01:18:28

Jesus sees you. He sees you. He knows your lived experience, right?

01:18:34

That's the kind of language that they want to speak in this. But it's like, yeah, he gets you.

01:18:39

He understands you, but that's why you had to come and die. Because he really gets you.

01:18:46

He knows himself. And that's why he knows you completely. He reveals himself the way that he is, and who he is, is not you.

01:18:54

He's not like you. The fundamental message, I think at the bottom of this, what people take away, unfortunately, is that God can be made in your image.

01:19:06

Rather than understanding that he made you in his, and you need to bow to him and worship him.

01:19:12

He cannot be brought to be your lap dog and affirm you in your sinful lifestyles and sinful choices.

01:19:20

He actually calls you to turn away from yourself and towards him. He's not going to turn a blind eye to what you're doing.

01:19:28

Aside from all the, it's leak through with social justice stuff. Because, I mean, again, the

01:19:34

Native American, the person of color, the homosexual, those are just marginalized categories.

01:19:42

In our culture today. Artificially so named. Yes. Right? But again, you don't see this flipped.

01:19:48

And it's the oppressor, oppressed narrative that's going forward here. And that's why it's fundamentally a different Christian message.

01:19:58

It's not a Christian message. Or methodology. Because you made a good point. You noted that they may express that their motivation is to try to reach the unbeliever.

01:20:08

But in reality, what you're doing is you're placating to the unbeliever. And nobody's reaching an unbeliever who placates to them.

01:20:16

You have to give, you have to reach the unbeliever with the truth. And Jesus was perfectly satisfied. Here's the problem with all these campaigns, the methodology to like, let's just try to placate to the unbeliever.

01:20:27

The problem is, it doesn't actually match Jesus' evangelistic methodology. Where Jesus is perfectly happy and satisfied.

01:20:36

He's content with having a crowd of thousands and then whittling it back down to 12 again.

01:20:43

When he says hard things like, if you don't come, die. Don't come. Now, most people will be like, you know,

01:20:51

Jesus, maybe you should think of a new strategy there. Because you could have a really big tent situation going on here and a lot of people following you.

01:20:57

And Jesus is perfectly satisfied to make sure that the people who are following him understand his message and they truly are following him.

01:21:04

And what we can't do is say, I'm going to reach the unbeliever by placating to them. That is not an appropriate

01:21:10

Christian theology nor methodology in terms of evangelism. So there was another video that, did you, by the way, you want to ask me that?

01:21:20

I was just going to say, I don't know who made it. I shared it. But the best thing I saw was, it was like the ark.

01:21:27

Did you guys see, it was like a picture of the ark and the flood and there's like someone drowning and it said, he gets us. And I was like, nailed it.

01:21:33

That's like, you have been in the creation museum? No, unfortunately. You will, someday.

01:21:40

Someday. It's on my bucket list. The most memorable part for me was when you're in the creation museum, not the ark, there's a part where you walk through and it's like the story of Noah's ark and all that.

01:21:53

And there's like a giant 3D model of the ark and it's raining and there's just all these people, not like this big, but there's all these people like reaching and they're drowning and all that.

01:22:05

And I'm like, that is what we didn't have on the flannel graph growing up. Yeah, the flannel graph.

01:22:10

They didn't show those people. We didn't have the technology for that kind of thing. They didn't show all those people like, you know, drowning and dying.

01:22:16

And like, that was like the most, like that hit me. I was like, man, like you don't think about that. By the way, the pro -life groups thought that this was a positive ad.

01:22:27

March for Life, Students for Life. Did they? They were commenting on the scene of the woman having her foot washed outside the clinics, you know, saying, what's the big deal?

01:22:36

Jesus was compassionate. You know, he. But the compassion to me in the photos is actually highlighted more so in the people standing back there who were there quote unquote protesting because in reality, we know those people.

01:22:48

Yeah. We are those people. I am that person. I am that person. And we're the ones that are out there doing more than washing foot as a symbol.

01:22:55

We're actually out there offering to adopt, pay for their cars, pay for their bills, take them to their doctors.

01:23:01

It's platitudes versus substance. Exactly. Like that's what it is. And so we're also loving the mother enough to call her to repent of the murder of her child.

01:23:09

Yeah. Which the woman washing her foot in that video would not do. Right. This imaginary AI character.

01:23:14

Yeah. That's the point. So there was another ad. Someone sort of made one like, maybe it should have been like this.

01:23:20

And it's making the rounds. Yeah. Can we shout this brother out? Yeah. His name is

01:23:25

Jamie Bainbrick. He creates really good content. And he's actually a resident of Northern Ireland.

01:23:33

Oh. He's an associate pastor there at a church. Oh, wonderful. I would love to connect with this brother. But he makes great material.

01:23:39

He's got a fabulous Irish accent. Oh. I wonder if he knows any of the people that we know.

01:23:45

I can probably make this happen. But he's the one responsible for making this. It took him one hour to make it. No kidding. Remind me.

01:23:50

I'll make that happen. Well, it's gone super viral now. Here it is. Here it is.

01:24:27

Two worlds colliding. And they could never tear us apart.

01:24:47

We can live for a thousand years.

01:24:53

Woo, that was actually really good. Currently at two million views on X. And everyone's taking it.

01:24:59

It's on YouTube as well. Taking it and downloading it for themselves and putting it on their own channel. I've seen people putting it.

01:25:05

They're not the original. They're those 100 ,000 on this little private person's thing they downloaded. By the way, you're not supposed to do that.

01:25:11

He said he was overwhelmed at the response. He had no idea that it would launch the way that it did. Yeah. Yeah.

01:25:17

Wow. What a blessing. What a blessing. Yeah, I was surprised. I didn't feel worthy to be in that one.

01:25:24

Thanks, Jamie. Good work, man. Praise the Lord for that. So let's end the show today.

01:25:32

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01:25:38

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Lord now. But we have all of his stuff for you, and it's for free as a gift from the Bonson family through us to you.

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And so we will catch you all next week. That's Luke DeBeer. Peace out. I'm the Ninja, and that's