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And I hope to see you there. Well, I'm absolutely thrilled to have a returning guest on today. Who is an old friend of mine and actually at one time was one of my pastors at? Grace Reform Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, New York his name is Mark Romaldi, and he is an author and currently pastor of Sovereign Grace Church of Greenbrier, Tennessee and today we're going to be addressing a Christian response to the satanic LGBTQ plus mockery of Leonardo da Vinci's painting of the Last Supper at the 2024 Summer Olympics in France.
We're also going to be announcing the upcoming Bible conference a featuring pastor mark and several other speakers at Grace Church at Franklin in Franklin, Tennessee And you'll be hearing more details about that.
But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron trip and sign radio pastor mark Romaldi.
Thank you, Chris. As always it is a privilege and an encouragement for me to be on here with you.
Well tell our listeners for the sake of those especially who have not yet heard you on this program. That's Sovereign Grace Church of Greenbrier, Tennessee. Also known as Sovereign Grace Church of White House, Tennessee.
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Great and This upcoming conference. I'm very excited about it. My very dear friend longtime friend. In fact, he may have I may have known pastor bill believe it or not longer than I've known you pastor mark.
I met Pastor Bill Sasser in the late 80s and perhaps the early 1990s when I used to attend the the John Bunyan conference which began in Lewisburg, Tennessee and Then switched to a new location years ago in New Ringgold.
I'm sorry Lewisburg, Pennsylvania I got mixed up there because one of the speakers at the conference is in Lewisburg, Tennessee. The John Bunyan conference has started in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania and then switched to New Ringgold, Pennsylvania And now are being held in a Franklin, Tennessee, but I first met Pastor Bill Sasser way back then when I used to attend those fairly Often annually for a while and I was excited to hear from him not long ago That he had invited you to be featured as a speaker at his conference coming up there.
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Franklin, Tennessee at Grace Church at Franklin and it's one of these Unusual Bible conferences that is not based on one theme as most are. Pastor Bill wants each man speaking To just unburden his heart with what he believes the Lord has most pressed upon his heart and mind to declare to the those gathered there and.
Can you remind me of what are the dates of that conference coming up? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So the dates for the conference will be September 12 13th and 14th. So that is a Thursday a Friday and a Saturday and it will be in the evening at 7 o 'clock p .m. Of course central standard time on the 12 13th and 14th.
Possibly the 11th as well. If he has this additional speaker that he's thinking of that may possibly come to speak as well. But please mark those in the calendar and I hope to see. Anybody who's able to attend?
I hope to see you there.
And I don't know if the information is up yet. But for more details at least on how to get to the church where the conference is being held Go to Grace Church at Franklin org and that's Grace Church at and that's the word at a T Not the symbol Franklin org and you will get information on how to get there and hopefully they will Very soon have all the details on the conference provided as well.
I don't know if you have selected your own personal theme yet. But if you have can you let us know what it is? I.
Was thinking Chris that I might go with the the importance of bringing back head coverings into the church when I'm just kidding.
Well, Rich Jensen would be there our mutual friend.
No, I I haven't yet. I know that in a general sense I think the men most of the men are obviously looking to do something. That's. That's focused on the centrally on the gospel and on Christ. Something to do with the glory of the gospel and along those lines, but I don't know offhand.
What what my text is at this point just yet?
Okay. Well, we will keep our listeners updated on that as we get those details. And today we are talking about as I mentioned earlier a Christian response to the satanic LGBTQ plus mockery of Leonardo da Vinci's paintings painting of the Last Supper at the 2024 Summer Olympics in France.
Now. People on social media. Some have at least not the majority some have wrongly concluded.
That.
The theme that we are addressing today stems from our View that Leonardo Leonardo da Vinci's painting has some kind of sacred place in our hearts. In fact, there is even a debate amongst Reformed Christians as to whether an image of Christ Should ever appear in a painting or a drawing or a sculpture.
Even if it's not used for worship first purposes as it is in the Roman Catholic Church, of course, they would call.
Veneration of images, but it's blatantly worship as you and I know but And I'm not sure I am in the camp of Prohibition of all images. I have perhaps a different opinion than a lot of Reformed folks about whether it's a violation of the Second Commandment because if I personally believe and you may totally disagree with me, but if one were to take the commandment According to exactly what it says We shouldn't even have a painting of a bird in our house.
I think the commandment is Connected to bowing before and worshiping the image.
But I.
Don't know if I'm a minority or not in the Reformed camp, but I know that I have some allies The late R. C. Sproul being one. But that has nothing to do with our topic today. We're addressing it because it is obviously not an attack on a painting.
It is not an attack on Leonardo da Vinci who Homosexuals actually claim as one of their own. Whether that is true or not is debatable. But it's an attack on Jesus Christ. And don't we have to recognize that when things like that?
In current events Become the the highlight of media attention when things that in and of themselves Aren't directly perhaps an attack on Christ. They are in reality the intention to be an attack on Christ and to be a mockery of Christ.
Yeah. Yeah, Chris. I think that that's the important thing to see there. It's not as you said It's not Leonardo da Vinci who was under attack or even his artwork or art style as paintings but the reason why that that is a an issue of concern is because What's represented in that painting?
You know we can go on and say well the more than likely the table wasn't straight like that and different things about the seating of the Apostles and They would have been on the floor whatever it is all kinds of things that people can say.
But the reality is what's represented by that painting everybody knows what's represented there and the intention of the of those who are Who have done this at the Olympics is it's not to not to mock da Vinci.
But to deal to to mock the the supper itself and when what's represented there and with Christ and his Apostles. So it's what's that symbolic of whether or not we respect da Vinci, you know for that painting.
You know that people can debate that till the cows come home and wrestle through that but the issue is the event itself. Which is biblical and it's clearly portrayed in Scripture is what really is being mocked there.
Just just for a moment Chris Let me just say this probably I would assume unless anybody is is basically their head is buried in the sand at this point that they know we're talking about on the at the Ceremony the opening ceremony of the Olympics in Paris France.
We're talking about the the picture that with this the scene that was there of the an array of Gay and lesbian folks all seated at a table across the table similar to the to the painting of the The Last Supper by da Vinci.
Representing the The Last Supper now that was more that that was more than a picture wasn't it? Wasn't it actually like a live.
Act today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was a live portrayal. There were there were actions. They were dancing drag queens in the background. So so was yeah, there was a child even they had in there. So yeah, it was actually a live portrayal of that of that scene there and it was intentionally meant to To mock, you know.
What was taking place at the The Last Supper as we know in the in the general picture that people see Jesus at the center. He's there at the table with six Apostles on each side and you can see their expressions as they're listening to his teaching.
And then in the in the actual portrayal at the ceremony. They have just again all these these gay folks drag queens and at the center is a Heavyset lesbian woman who has a halo effect around her head clearly trying to indicate the.
That she's supposed to be representing Christ in some sense. And so when seeing that that that that live event as part of their other things that went that transfer. That that that went went on as well there there was an outcry of many Christians right on the on the internet and.
Just seeing it as an insult as it as we believe it was meant to mock the Last Supper. But but yeah, it's to answer your question though. It is it's it's more than just the painting or da Vinci that that's irrelevant.
It really is that they're trying to mock what what took place there at the supper in Christ and Christianity and even the. The woman who was at the center there of the table had posted on her Instagram.
I believe it was a picture and this is what I meant by the picture actually a picture of that scene that was. That was there at the Olympics. Above the picture of the Last Supper of da Vinci's Last Supper and she put in a comment.
Basically something along the lines with it being that this is the new gay the gay New Testament or something like that. She said something along those lines.
As well.
Yeah, and I just saw recently on social media Someone I don't know if the person himself was or is a Christian but he was Mocking Christians who are getting all uptight and out and outraged over the the mockery of the Homosexual transgendered folks.
Recreating da Vinci's Last Supper scene and he Posted a photograph of.
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Mural in a Mexican restaurant and the the mural was a recreation or replica of da Vinci's painting. But all of those in the painting Featured at the Last Supper including Christ were holding Items of Mexican food tacos burritos and things like that.
And he said well, I hope you wouldn't be offended by this. Would you now? Again This is not in regard to The mockery of a painting. I could care could not care less about the mockery of a painting.
But.
Isn't this just a part of? belittling. The seriousness of what occurred at the Last Supper.
Yeah, Chris, I agree a hundred percent and let me just preface The answer that I question with one other thing too as well the immediate reaction after there was an uproar from for many Christians and different level of Reaction some people were more angry than others and as you said some Christians were going against other Christians and whether or not they should be offended and Whether you know just a back-and-forth which we'll get to as well.
But but there was also then an immediate response by many Non-christians trying to say that it wasn't a portrayal of the Lord's Supper or the Last Supper at all it was actually supposed to be a painting a portrayal of the painting of the Feast of Dionysus who was a Greek God the the God of fertility who was leading a Feast the festive time of revelry and drinking wine and it's a pagan festival and and they would show pictures of that.
And so you had that immediate response where people were like coming against Christians and look you guys are showing how Intel Unintelligent you are so just to say real quick to that because I think that needs to be answered and it has been answered that the the people Organized the event itself and organized the scene admitted that it was inspired by the Last Supper and even in the name the title of The scene in French it even mentions that it's that supper.
Specifically now they did add Greek mythology into it. They've they've you know, it mixed it in there. So you did have this, you know blue looking guy up there who's supposed to be this this feast. You know this Dionysus God, you know Greek God and so on so they did mix in some Greek mythological elements.
But it was very clear that it was meant to reflect the Last Supper. That was the point they apologized for doing that after the uproar and Even as I said the woman who was at the center of that the the heavyset lesbian woman Herself was even saying that this is the New Gay Testament.
So I just just to clear that up that it very much was meant to mock the Lord's Supper, but it is something that Should be offensive to Christians. We'll get into that more more. So even going forward as well.
It is something that is offensive because it's mocking. Not just our Lord and Savior which in itself is horrific and offensive but it's also mocking our Lord and Savior at a a sacred assembly a sacred event with his Apostles as he's preparing to officially establish the new covenant in his blood.
Literally right before he was going to go to the cross to be crucified. And now he was laying himself down as the sacrificial lamb. On behalf of sinners and his the cup representing his shed blood and the bread representing his broken body and so there's a solemnity to the event that it's just nothing to To play light with or to kid around with or joke about at all.
If somebody was kidding around about something that Peter did or he's goofing off or you know. There's a place for that perhaps. But when you're dealing with something like this and the solemnity of the event and what went on there.
And also the intentions of the French folks who put this together who were really trying to mock religion as a whole. It's it's it's deeply offensive how we respond is another question. But but it is deeply offensive and yet seeing that in a Mexican restaurant would bother me it would trouble it should trouble us.
Now when you said you had witnessed in the media Christians Attacking other Christians for being offended. I have not seen that but I have seen Christians saying that we are angry at the wrong thing. That the the Da Vinci painting itself is blasphemous because they're against any kind of images, but are you speaking of something else?
Oh.
Yeah, there was a there's there are there are Comments and things being passed around by different Christians who have made comments on it and really some some of the arguments that Christians were saying that we shouldn't be offended about this and they're criticizing other Christians are basically saying look There's a couple of the arguments we should expect this from the world.
Why are we offended or upset about this? This is what the world is is going to do. It shouldn't bother us. We shouldn't be offended by it. We should anticipate that and you know, and so on the other argument is that you know God doesn't need us worms to defend him.
You know. We're like worms that we feel like we have to defend God in some way by being upset about this and it's like a worm. Trying to defend, you know an 800-pound bear or something like that. And then others would even say that you know We're jeopardizing our Christian witness by getting upset and we really should be more loving.
To the folks who even were doing this and that these are the kinds of people. Right that are in this scene that Christ would have had eating with him At the table or he would have been eaten with tax collectors and sinners.
So they're trying to see it more as showing compassion on these folks and we're not saying that there's no room for compassion but they're they're throwing out the sense of the offense that this is to Christ and that he called sinners to repentance and it wasn't just in all grace and no no call to to deal with sin as Christ has done in the scriptures and that.
These kinds of things offended him and you know Jesus got offended when his when his father's house was Was contaminated by those who had money changes in there and so on and and even by the world in general, you know.
These kinds of things should be offensive.
And.
It's not wrong. For for that to trouble us when we see these things because this is the Savior who we love. Who we care about. Who was. I won Chris one thing I looked at as an example. I thought about it even as a much in a much lower lesser sense.
Even how would how would these folks feel if if somebody mocked, you know their child or their mother or their wife? You know who had cancer. And on the day before that she had some folks maybe gathered around with her and was Ministering to them in some way and was being you know was about to die.
And if somebody mocked that scene. You know about what happened to your own to somebody who we love like that. Now all the more we're talking about Christ the Son of God who laid down his life for us.
And so it should be it should be offensive to us. We should be offended.
Yeah, and this reaction that you mentioned from Christians Who said we should not be? Wasting our time opposing this blasphemy because We should be expecting this from the world. Well, if only John the Baptist had known that before he had his head cut off He never would he never would have brought to the attention of Herod that he was living in a Anti God anti scriptural marriage.
And so, you know that that kind of stuff sometimes strikes me as a false piety. Yeah, now there is a part of that. I agree with We are not to be shocked by it. They are right we shouldn't we should be shocked when when the world says wonderful things about Christ and his church and so on but and and also we should not let it consume us where we are losing control of our tempers and And reacting in kind and Wishing violence against people or anything like to that measure but at the same time We cannot remain silent about things like this as Christians.
No, in fact Chris, I think with what you had said about John the Baptist Is significant in that text where it talks about John calling out Herod. It says that he reproved him. For his adultery and Herod was not a was not a You know a Jew he was he was an Edomite.
He was not somebody who was necessarily committed even though he did at sometimes lip service to the Jewish faith. So here's a king and ungodly King set over the Jews by the Romans whom the Jews really don't respect and John's calling him out and it could be very easy to say.
Well John, what are you doing? You know, he's part of the world but even also in Ephesians chapter 5. It specifically says there and it uses that same word reproved by the way in the Greek that's used about with Speaking about John the Baptist there.
It says here in Ephesians 5 just read these verses real quick here therefore be imitators of God as beloved children and walk in love as Christ loved us and gave himself for us a fragment offering a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you as is proper among Saints. Let there be no Filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking which are out of place but instead let there be thanksgiving for you may be sure of this that everyone who is sexually immoral or Impure or who is covetous that is an idolater has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Let no one deceive you with empty words. So because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. So now we're talking about those who are unsafe. Therefore do not become partners with them for at one time you were darkness.
But now you are light in the Lord walk as children of light for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true and Try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness.
But instead expose them that's the same word reproof that's used about John the Baptist what he had done. Expose them for it is shameful to even speak of the things that they do in secret. But when anything is exposed by the light It becomes visible for anything that becomes visible as light.
Therefore it says a way go sleeper and arise from the dead and Christ will shine on you. So we have a responsibility in our actions and how we live and even in our communication and what we do how we speak.
To expose the darkness. I mean, that's what we do with the law. We we tell people this is God. This is this is God's law and this is what he says and it's that Conviction of sin that will that can and will be used by God to bring people to Christ and the gospel.
So we're called to expose and to reprove. Those who are not just people in the church. But even those who are committing these kinds of acts and especially in the public arena.
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And once again, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. I don't want to beat a dead horse on this but going back to the The criticism that some of our brethren in Christ have towards us.
Who.
Say that we shouldn't even be concerned about the element of This being a mockery of Christ. Their main concern is that anybody would care about a painting since it's a violation of the Second Commandment.
But can't both be true. I mean, why would you be upset at? The public mockery that is Clearly intended to be toward Christ even though it's a mockery of the painting. Yeah. Yeah, I agree Chris.
I think both can be true and they're two different issues. We can we can debate about like as you said earlier the whether or not the second commandment applies to that and if not or Is there anything else in Scripture that would inform our decision on whether it's appropriate or not to pictures of Christ?
So that can be debated and the painting can be debated but the fact of the matter is that the what was going on at the Olympics is It's directed at what's represented in that painting. And so it's it's because of the scene there because of what was happening there with Christ.
Everybody knows that scene they see that paint and they recognize what it represents and so they're going after the what the painting itself represents and It's not so much the the images or the pictures of what's in there and that that's why it's important.
It's it's like thinking about things from the in the sense of the spiritual. The spiritual aspect of things what what are they really attacking in this? Is it is today? Is it you know? Paint colors and crayons and things like that or is it the actual?
Person that's represented in that painting and that's what the issue is. They're going after Christ and his apostles and what took place in that event. And so they're using the painting. Because they know it represents it, but they're really going after the actual event itself.
So I agree with you you both of them are two different issues. And we have to separate them and say it's it's okay. We can talk about the the pictures and the painting and so on and wrestle through that.
But we don't need to address that to see that this is a direct attack on on what went on in the event itself.
Now I have been pleased.
There seems to be a nearly universal Discussed over this even by many liberals in the media. Because they recognize it for what it was. It was meant to be an attack on the Christian faith in some shape or form.
And they yeah, and even liberals have said now that was unfair. You're unnecessarily offending Christians and that shouldn't be done at Something like the Olympics that millions of people globally look forward to and participate in.
Even Christians participating even some in this current Olympics.
Yeah, it's supposed to be a uniting that the Olympics is supposed to be allegedly right a uniting event. Where the world comes together to compete in these various ways and so you're right. Allegedly, I don't know that again.
You don't know what you're reading is whether what you're reading is true or not anymore. And some of the media but allegedly some with some some big You know financial supporters of the Olympics and who have donated some of them have pulled their support again.
I don't know if that's just Hearsay or if that's true. But but there are some that in there that have done that that would would be known to be of a liberal of a liberal kind. As well, if that's true, that would be interesting.
Now one thing in our enthusiasm overseeing nearly universal condemnation Don't we as Christians have to be careful? Just like when it comes to our outrage over infanticide and Same-sex marriage and many of the social and moral ills that plague humanity We have to be very careful that Even though there is a place I believe in the life of a Christian for co-belligerence For joining arms with people that don't believe in Christ in the gospel on a common cause.
We have to be very careful that we are not giving the public Idea that we affirm false religions. We'll give you an example There are evangelicals that are Rejoicing that Roman Catholics are vocally opposed to what occurred.
But it was interesting somebody emailed me a video and the on the video it says French Christians worship Jesus in response to the mockery of the Last Supper and In the video you can hear the song that thousands of French people are singing.
It's Ave Maria. They're not what they're not worshiping Christ in response to this they're worshiping Mary so we have to be careful on how we publicly reveal our Outrage over these kinds of things, don't we?
Yeah. Yeah, Chris I think you're 100 right and you hit the nail on the head with using examples like Planned Parenthood and infanticide that there were a lot of Committed Catholics in fact who put us to shame to some extent in and they're just You know coming up against the the the murder mills and they're there, you know.
Granted, you know what's motivating and what they do when they're there and you know chanting the Rosary and things like that and bringing Statues over of Mary and so on is not something certainly would approve of what they do.
They are very anti You know abortion and so on and so there is a place, you know in a sense a moral stance where you can agree on That but we do have to be careful that we don't let down the guard or or or trim.
You know trim any of our differences that are related particularly to the gospel and right into two important spiritual matters that that the Roman Catholics Would differ with us on so we do have to be careful not not to join hands in such a way with anyone that would compromise.
And go the other extreme it'd be better. It'd be better to deal with the offense or let the offense pass than to go to the other extreme and compromise the gospel. Because we want to get people who will agree with us.
I think I read something again. Don't don't quote me on this but I think I read something about someone who was asked trying to see if there were maybe Muslims that would want to get together with Catholics and and try to in some way stand up with you know against this kind of thing and you know.
And you could see that there could be an ecumenical response. But where that leads could be problematic if it's anything more than just you know. Anything more than what's on the surface of it being offensive, you know to to to what Christ had done them.
Yes, and Muslims even a part of their religion Have a high place in their religion for their Jesus and even their Mary which are fictitious. They're not the Jesus of the scriptures or the Mary of the scriptures they don't venerate or worship either And believe that is utter blasphemy to do so, but they they are often offended by this kind of thing as well because They have such a high regard for Jesus and in their opinion being a prophet of God and Even possessing many of the attributes of God that Christians believe except for his deity and You know and except for his crucifixion and so on and they they view Mary in high esteem.
But we have to be careful that we are not giving people the the idea that we are Viewing the Muslim Jesus as the same as the biblical Jesus.
Yeah, and even the even the the Lord's Supper itself. Which is obviously the right but being portrayed and all this the the Muslims would would have a hard time.
Agreeing with with what's right is ended in that right because they don't believe in the crucifixion never occur, right?
Exactly. And then the atonement and the crucifixion so so they would see it more. What would be offensive to them is more of the fact that that they're offending a great prophet of God one of the one of.
The best.
Prophets of God less Muhammad maybe, you know. That that would be where the offense would come in. But certainly not not anything related to the actual event or what the meaning of those of the Lord's Supper is.
Now just like with anything else in life when something is getting global attention shouldn't Christians.
In wisdom. Take advantage of these kinds of situations as a platform to declare the truths of Scripture and the gospel, especially.
Yeah, in fact Chris as I was thinking about the our response to this, you know there's so much debate and back and forth about the response and whether or not you should be offended and I think there's a difference between Being offended and how you respond to that offense so you can be offended and and and rightly so and yet respond In a way as you said before that's not violent.
Or you know in some way that's not appropriate. So I think there's a place to say Yeah, this is offensive, but then the response to that is the key. How do we respond? And I think there's a place where we can express our disapproval to this and speak about you know.
Why this is something that that is offensive to us not in a hateful a vengeful way, right? We're not we're not going to Speak against people in a way that's not gonna not gonna produce a means of giving the gospel.
I think it's important that we we do things in a way that's conducive to proclaiming the gospel. So so we're not coming out throwing spears, you know at people or ready to burn down Paris and you know.
And and cursing people and things like that, but maybe even just coming say look, you know, this is offensive.
But please hear me out. Let me explain why this offends me. You mean I bought all that gasoline for nothing.
Yeah, and you have it shipped over there, too. Yeah, but but maybe just saying something like hey, can we just talk about this. This is why this is why this offends me. Let me tell you about who this Jesus is in this picture what he means to me what he's done and according to Scripture.
How who he is what he's accomplished how God relates to me because in other words using it as a bridge in Some way into the gospel. So rather than one extreme just responding in violence and you know, you look, you know you're offending Christians and you know and becoming very angry and losing the opportunity or the other extreme and just saying just acting like it's Not happening and not responding at all and saying well, I'm not offended who cares.
There's a there's a ground, you know there's a place to say let's let's let's respond to this and express that we're offended but let's let's use that as a means of Showing others Who this Christ is and what the gospel is?
I mean what better opportunity do you have to give the gospel then to discuss what happened to Lord's Supper? I mean, it's all there. The gospel is in the elements. It's in it's in what Jesus said. It's the the initiating of the new covenant.
So if we I think we just need to be more on top of how do we respond to this in a way that gets? The gospel out so we're offended we can express that and we should and I think we have a right to but also seeing it as a means of You know a goal in mind as well of getting the gospel on.
Yeah, and We also have to be careful about our allies When it comes to the shared.
Criticism on.
What has occurred here. What I'm speaking of specifically right now is. Is there is a phenomenon that is becoming more dominant lately where there is a growing number of TV hosts and podcasters and authors.
Who are conservative?
Homosexuals.
Fox News has a number of them and Recently I was watching a Fox News program that featured Tammy Bruce Who. Very often she's right on the money about a lot of things. She's very articulate and she's very intelligent, but she is.
Public advocate of something that God considers an abomination and She was not defending what happened at the Olympics. She was very critical of it, but she was defending drag queens in general saying it's an art form and That it was just poorly used at this event because it was unnecessarily offensive to Christians.
No, Tammy Bruce. It's not an art form. It's a grotesque Abomination to God and I don't even know why someone would think that's an art form. It's even a mockery of women it really is the equivalent of.
Minstrel show act. Mocking women when you have drag queens up there. They're not. Typically looking like real average women. I love you comments on that when we come back. We have to go to our station break.
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Now right before the break. I was mentioning that you even have a growing number of professedly conservative.
Like Tammy Bruce and others outraged by what took place at the Olympics not because of What was going on necessarily but that the timing and the agenda may have been off that that it was Unnecessarily as insulting to Christians That they might equate it to there's nothing wrong with eating a pork sandwich but you shouldn't do it in front of your Orthodox Jewish friends or something like that because as I was saying Tammy Bruce even described drag queens as Being artists.
This is an art form, which is ridiculous. And if she said it is not connected to sex, which is another ridiculous absurd why of course it is but The Jason Chaffetz was sitting right in the same panel with her he professes to be a Christian, I don't know anything about his So-called Christian background.
I know he's a graduate of Brigham Young University. So it's possibly he is a Mormon I don't know. I agree with him a lot but he did he in protesting the Event at the Olympics said nothing in protest to what Tammy Bruce said defending the art of drag queenery as it were and we have to be careful when we are Publicly aligning ourselves with people that may agree with us on one thing But we may be just as equally opposed to something else.
They're promoting. Don't we?
Yeah, yeah, I think we do need to be careful especially today Chris I think in politics in general the by and large the Republican Party even the conservative branch of the Republican Party is is actually quite liberal and you know, and it's and it's take particularly on issues that relate to morality and.
You just see the shift on issues of abortion and just some of the pullback with that. And and of course issues related to transgenderism homosexuality. Most of the conservatives today are fiscally conservative, you know.
And I'm not saying we don't agree with those issues and I'm not saying that they're not in a better place that would be healthier for our country than than the Democratic Party is but the shift of the Republican Party is in it is so far to the to the left in that sense that we really need to be careful when when trying to In any way identify ourselves with these folks even people like Sean Anity who was allegedly a good Catholic, you know.
Who's divorced now? And I don't know if he's remarried or whatever, but but even him, you know, I've seen I've just seen him really drift. In those kinds of ways whereas in the past he had more of a moral backbone.
As well, so so I just think I think you're right. I mean we can we can Agree in certain respects, but we need to be careful that we don't line align ourselves with them in such a way that people just kind.
You know just. You know distort the lines that that that actually separate us we need to be clear that we don't stand where the party is today and where they're going and. And and those kinds of areas as you said.
With where they see that as an artwork and things like that. There's a real light. Just such a light view of those kinds of things Transgenderism and homosexuality things like that from from the conservative base overall.
I'm not saying all of them but in a general sense.
Well, let's move on to another area of the Olympics. Which may be even more horrifying? The transgendered so-called boxer biologically male boxer.
Pummeled a Female a biologically female. It's just amazing that we have to Use these clarifying terms like biologically male biologically female but this Biologically male. Grotesque.
Man who.
Portrays himself now as a female. There's nothing at all female an appearance about this person.
This.
So-called transgendered boxer doesn't even have fake breasts. I mean, it's ridiculous you see this Muscular man in the boxing ring who maybe have eyeliner on and an effeminate haircut. Beating the snot out of a woman in 44 within 46 seconds, I believe the female victim of this Gave up and and Out of you know the fear of further injury which is completely sane and rational to do so I I she shouldn't even gotten into the ring to begin with.
This is Another Reason why we have to even question Whether we should in any way Support at least this Olympic event. I'm not talking about the boxing match. I'm talking about the Olympics in general.
And there's going to be disagreement about this and I don't think that you could necessarily. Take a hard line and say all Christians must follow step with what you believe and do. Because like for instance, you may have Christian parents who have a child who is a Christian Participating in legitimate Events at the Olympics.
There are Christians who are athletes in this summer Olympics. So how do we as Christians? Respond to such things as this in your opinion, especially when you're talking about publicly.
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's that's a really good question. And I know that's all over the internet as you said all over social media. What happened with with that woman from Italy. Karina. I think her name is and the Algerian.
Man, who is.
Main Khalif, I think and you see her crying in the ring the Italian woman. And I mean, I think it's definitely something that we need to to to address. Maybe even try to get down to the roots of some of this this because really right this is the product of you know.
Wait, this is something that's building on something else. It didn't just start with with men going into women's, you know sports. It started with you know even the idea of a man a male being able to identify as a female and and the culture and surrounding society having to accept that that as true and everybody has to call that person what they think they should be called and identify them, you know as Binary or whatever whatever choice they have for what they want to be.
And it really comes down to it at the root of it all right a rejection of God. A Rejection of him as the creator and the designer. Because we have we are what we are we have the bodies that we have we have the gender that we have the parts that we have the The hormones that we have because that's the way God designed us.
And so it's a product of the fall right that leads us to to distort God's good design in every area of life so it leads to all kinds of problems and one of those things as it's carried out further and further down the road is To be able to get up and actually say well, I'm no don't think I'm a male today, right?
You've already rejected the designer. So everything's up for grabs.
Well.
I think I'm a cat or I think I'm something else and With that kind of logic when you carry that out and you have no God which means you have no law or universal law. And you have no design you can put children in the ring you know at some point with with with adult males and have them, you know boxing or or worse even than that children, you know being able to be touched and you know and violated by by by adults because As long as they agree with it or they don't they're okay with it.
And so it's it's just it's a product of that kind of of that kind of compromise with with who God is in Scripture. But yeah, I mean, it's it's a clear It's it's something that should Really disturb us.
I mean even we talked about being offended. It should disturb us to sit there and to watch.
A male.
Actually pummeling a female it's so disturbing, you know to see that. And and we talked about some of those things Chris earlier just women being welcomed into situations that at.
At other.
Points in history where there was a respect for God where there would there would be a clear delineation between what manhood is and womanhood is and even the types of Things that women should partake in or shouldn't partake in just out of respect for what a woman is, you know.
Is that the way that she's designed the emotional aspect the weaker vessel aspect of that? And so yeah I think that we should stand up and it is it is showing it is showing up as we've seen as well in in that there are women who have been strong proponents of transgenderism and.
And you know women becoming, you know, very independent in a sense and Let's get rid of the male leadership male headship. And it's kind of backfiring in them because a lot of them are saying that okay.
Well, you've opened the door a crack there and now it's here and there's some of those women even are saying well This isn't fair and this isn't right and and I agree with them. But when you open the crack even a little bit here here we are.
But we I think we should take a stand. But again, we need to we need to do it in a way where we get down to the to the root of it. And not just at the surface so we deal with it at the level of the gospel the fall of man and Show how it's getting here and at the same time trying to protect our women right and pull them pull them.
I don't want to say just let them get pummeled and not address that but I think that we need to get down to the Root issues here and hopefully pray that God will use it to see. Just the disorderliness and of man as a result of this in nature.
And this is where we are apart from God and.
I'm assuming you agree with me, but I don't know. I'll find out in a second that it's completely appropriate for a Christian To publicly say I am NOT going to watch the Olympics for one second because of this grotesque dishonoring of God and his word.
It's one thing to say that and another thing to say that a Christian is a sinner. Because he's watching the Olympics. Especially if he happens to know Christians that are involved in the games.
Yeah. Yeah, I absolutely agree with that Chris. I don't think it's wrong at all for someone to come out and say because of this I I'm not going to in any way show support to the to the Olympics at all because they're allowing this kind of thing and I don't I think you're right.
It's it's a difference between saying that and someone coming out and saying that you're not a Christian or how could you? You know be a man a woman of God if you watch, you know anything, you know at all in the Olympics I think that it's something that has to come back to the conscience but I can see that as being a you know, it's an area that that we have to respect the sensitivities of people on Both sides of the fence so to speak with this I can see a healthy place for coming out and saying that I'm taking a step out You know in this area and I'm not going to support it at all.
So yeah, I don't there's nothing wrong with voicing that at all.
Yeah, I just popped into my head. Pastor Doug McMaster's who advertises new Hyde Park Baptist Church on the show was quoting the chariots of fire movie where Eric a little. I think he may be mispronouncing it.
Eric's last name. He calls him Liddell, but he was the Scottish Athlete during the Olympics.
Germany when Hitler was Fuhrer and. It's interesting that he viewed Being involved in any kind of a less athletic activity on the Sabbath to be a violation of God's commands. But he still participated in the games just refusing to compete on the Sabbath.
So there you have an example of someone who is an honorable Christian. In some ways a Christian hero from from our past.
You know used his gift at an event like that. But not putting his seal of approval on everything that happened now, of course. What we are seeing today makes that pale in comparison.
Pale into insignificance in comparison, but the the point is there that you have a man at the same time making a bold stance for Christ. And in publicly doing so. By being involved in the Olympics and declaring Christ is the reason that he runs.
But at the same time not running on the Sabbath because it violated his conviction. Am I making sense there?
Yeah, yeah, no, you'll make it a hundred percent sense and I think that was a real noble thing that that Eric had done and that and that's only one of a you know of a hand of. Probably a lot more than the things that he had done to show his faith and and to step out in that way.
And and and it did stand out. I mean it was it was all over the you know, the papers I mean, it was all advertised. It was it got a lot of publicity and he took that stand at a time when most people wouldn't have because you're like well This is the Olympics, you know, what are you doing?
It's it's so it's only it's only one Sunday or two Sundays right out of the whole year and his his if nothing else his unwillingness to compromise really. Stood out and like you said today. It's everything is like intentionally not just the Olympics.
I mean everything is intentionally just. It's just set up for it to be on Sundays. That's just. Everything you know sports entertainment, whatever it is. It's just there there there's no honoring of the day.
So it's it's even harder in some ways but but yeah, I think I agree with you on that I think it was it was a good thing and and what he did and I think it impacted people. For great good, especially at a time when you see the collapse of any sense of honor or for the Lord's Day.
Even amongst many Christians. Yeah, we have Daisy in. Either a taka or a toka. Tennessee. Is that anywhere near you mark? I.
Man, I I don't know enough about Tennessee, but I I would say I don't think it's near me. Just off off the the cuff because I don't know.
80 okay.
80k. Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know enough, but I'm guessing maybe not.
Okay, and for those who are listeners who are puzzled why mark wouldn't know since his churches in Tennessee. He's a fairly recent transplant there is a New Yorker as you may be able to detect from his accent.
Which is so thickly, New York. It makes me sound like I'm from Oxford, England Daisy says. Do you think what is going on with this? Transgendered stuff. Reveals that there is something going on that is supernatural in nature demonic forces that have brought many people who aren't even in Participation and these vile acts to approve of them.
Yeah, I mean, I would say that that's just a biblical fact. I mean, it's not even an opinion that that these things are all we know that. Right behind the scenes in the invisible realms. We know that there is there is an overlapping reality.
With ours where there are all kinds of higher powers and things at work and and so when you look at and you you follow scripture and you also follow the Just the trajectory of our nation and how we got here.
You know, there are things that are being done today, you know when I was a kid, you know. When I went to school. You you would never ever ever have had a single person in the entire school who would have come up and said, you know.
Oh, I think I'm a girl. I think I'm a boy when they really were the opposite. It would have been unheard of, you know, you had some homosexuality, but even that was more discreet to some extent. So these things have opened so wide and and a lot of that does have to do with the ongoing rejection of the gospel and God giving us over to our sins as it talks about in Romans from when he hardens the people and he they suppress the truth on unrighteousness and so he gives them over and before you know it there's Attraction between same sexes and they continue on and God just hardens more and more.
And so I think what we're seeing is the evidence of it of our nation. Really in a state of Deep hardness from God under judgment really on under judge not waiting. I'm not awaiting judgment. That's true.
But under judgment, that's evidence of his judgment upon us and and now it's it's just the acceptable thing it's it's become like the Avenue of Trying to get attention right if you if you say you're a pro transgender.
It's almost like it's a wonderful thing to just say that. So that you can kind of get accolades and everybody kind of falls around you and hugs you and you're welcomed. You know, and it's it's a means of being welcomed if you if you accept this and and even approve of it.
And that's why you have Even people in these these wealthy companies, you know target or whatever when they they they highlight it or advertise for these things. They know they're gonna lose a lot of money because of it.
But they still do it and cater to it to try to appease, you know. Those who who who are given over to this so so yet to answer the question just simply and basically it's definitely an evidence of demonic action and you know what's going on, but it's also an evidence of God removing his is his common grace and in that area and Just delivering us over to you, you know to our sins you want to reject me.
You want to continue to not give thanks to me and acknowledge me as God and reject my son. Okay. Well, let's see where that leads. Now. Let me let me remove my my restraining grace and before you know it we're just doing insane things even like denying, you know, our own gender and And you know dressing up as the opposite sex and everything else.
So yeah.
Yeah, when you look at photographs of that man in the boxing ring Beating the snot out of a woman it has reached a point of utter and sheer Insanity in addition to being Vile and grotesque satanic activity.
It's just crazy That anybody would say that's a woman. You can't deny it. You can't question what that person believes. She is. Of course, I would never use the word she and describing that but that isn't this just mind-boggling Insanity and lunacy and in fact, I don't think a single person on the planet Earth Believes that's a woman no matter what they say.
They don't know they don't believe that's a woman.
No, and and and and 25 years ago if something like this happened, you would have seen that boxer torn limb from limb from everybody who was you know live there watching or you know people even even just you average people who Were rejecters of the gospel would have would have been sensitive to that and said, how could you do that?
You know that kind of thing. So yeah, it's it's it's. You want to say it's insane in one sense, but the reality is Insanity almost almost gives it too much credit. It's it's really a hardness. It's a it's an actual hardness of heart because they know like you said Chris deep down inside.
Everybody knows that this that that that's a male, you know, that's a hundred percent. They know that and yet they're approving it in there it's almost like sticking up the middle finger at God like there's an intentional rebellion against Christianity Christian principles and Against God because of because people want their sin.
They want to continue in their sin and so they're angry at God and so they're going to approve things that they themselves even though are.
Completely.
Logically. Just nonsense.
Right.
The thing Satan.
Does.
Influence people in acting crazy because even in The account of the demoniac and Luke after he was exorcised And expelled of the demons He was clothed in his right mind afterwards. Oh.
Yeah, that's right.
We have. Let's see, I was just looking at this question from Flanders Long Island. Mm-hmm, and it is Michelle from Flanders Long Island wants to know. Do you believe it is appropriate at all to begin with?
To have women involved in the sport of boxing. Now, that's interesting because Pastor Mark and I were discussing that briefly before the show. And I and I was saying that Although I fully support Women learning how to defend themselves. I don't have any problem with women learning martial arts.
And especially when you when you're involved in martial arts. The intention in the sport is not to physically harm your opponent. And it is more of a restrained Participation in using those.
Arts.
And I in fact, I know a Friend of mine has a daughter Who has achieved a black belt in several? Martial arts and she has retained her femininity. She's not a butch woman masculine and she's also a a marks person and an expert with firearms and in the military.
I don't believe that women should be in combat, but she happens to be in the military.
Now.
That there is. There is a different phenomenon with the sport of boxing though because your intention is to knock someone unconscious. So I can see some validity in being opposed to Women being involved in boxing.
What is your thought on that?
Yeah, I don't think it's it's a healthy thing at all as well and it's not to degrade women. It's not to say that they're not strong women and that women can't learn. You know all the different techniques of boxing and they're probably many women boxers who would to would knock me out.
But I just I don't think it's it's appropriate. I don't think it's God honoring when you look at what a woman is supposed to be like in Scripture just the. You know the gentle quiet disposition, but as you said Chris, I don't think self-defense is wrong.
But I but to them to be, you know, pummel each other in the face and you know trying to knock each other out. I just I don't think that's befitting of of what the scriptures described as as a godly women.
And I would agree with you as well with the military I think that I don't think it would be a good thing for a woman and you see this even in Scripture as well. With those who went out to war for a woman to be out actually in the infantry like, you know actually fighting the battle and the scenes because there are certainly things that can happen to a woman that can't happen to a man as you know as serious and as far as.
What can take place with a woman if she gets captured and things like that. So I don't I don't I don't see that as a as a healthy thing in and of itself. But but it being in the case that we have women boxing I certainly think it's even worse.
To be at a level where now you have a man boxing a woman is. Taking at least at least a woman boxing a woman. You know, there's a visit, you know, there's an equality of you know.
Of.
You know their abilities and strength and where they're at, you know, they're their hormones and so on. It's not a man.
Yeah, and there has been an overall effort to in the media and in movies and in television to give women masculine roles and Feature them as experts in masculine activity where they shouldn't be involved in that.
They're there they're destroying their femininity and once again, I have to repeat that my friend's daughter for instance is Involved in the martial arts and an expert at them and I don't have a problem with that.
I think with the growing number of male creeps out there I think I think it's good for women to learn how to defend themselves. Yeah, but that yeah. That's a different thing than the sport of boxing though.
And if you look to Chris that like I mean I probably wouldn't be underestimating to say like 90 of the the movies and the media that's out there Really has the emphasis on on a woman being the you know.
The superhero who's out there knocking people out and round out and all that and the men are kind of really weak they're just portrayed as weak buffoons and you know, they don't even know their left arm from their right arm and and Even in the household the men are just idiots, you know.
Just be a drinking idiots, you know out in the you know in the yard and the women the ones who are who are you know, running the ship and it's there really is a push to Minimize the the importance of masculinity, right?
They call toxic masculinity and a toxic masculinity today is what is is what healthy masculinity used to be. It's not this, you know this extreme sense of abuse that you might think of when you think of toxic masculinity so it's so it's even it's it's we're so inundated in our culture by the emphasis on feminism and on it's bad to be you know to to emphasize anything about a man even with all the the intersectionality and all those things you can you find that just men are just really being pushed back and and it's it's really it's it's affecting the way people think about families and about Male leadership and male headship and and it's it's it's a it's a tragedy because you can see what it's doing to our country I mean look at our military right even for that matter what we have going on in there and they're feminizing things in the military and so we're seeing the concept all this comes back down to again rejecting God and his design and you know for for our for us and.
We are going to a break right now, and I want to tell Our next questioner Linda to be patient. We'll get to your question right after we return and apparently she knows who you are because she has been attending Sovereign Grace Church after recently moving to Tennessee, but we'll be with you Linda momentarily and Don't go away folks.
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Linda.
And she says my name is Linda and I recently moved to Tennessee and started attending Sovereign Grace Church. Upon my arrival in response to Pastor Mark's comment of using this incident as a means to get the gospel out I was reminded of the Genesis account when Joseph faced his brothers and said as for you you meant Evil against me, but God meant it for good.
My prayer is that the Lord will be quick in his providence to use this sad and profane incident to grow the Christian In their sanctification and bring our Lord Jesus the glory to him. Thank you for all you do.
Very very wise and insightful comment from Linda. Any response to that.
And man, I just I think it speaks for itself, thank you so much Linda. I think that that's right on and well written and and I agree with you. That's a great prayer and let's let's pray to that end. They're very good.
Well before I take any more listener questions, I really want to make sure that you Have anything to say that you wanted to make sure was included in our conversation today. And then if we have time, I'll take another listener question or two.
Yeah, I would just say Chris that I think that these kinds of things that are happening around us and our culture and even the the continued regression of Our country and into deeper and deeper sin and hardness that I would pray and hope that our churches Would be would be ready to all the more stand out as lights to walk in a way That's pleasing to our Lord and Savior and to use these opportunities As means of outreach that not not to ignore them not to let them pass by.
But these are these are hot topics that may open up avenues to to speak to others. And if we do it with a sense of grace So that we can there's nothing wrong with being able to express a concern or even to say that yeah, this this does offend.
But just to respond in a way where we're not going we're not going overboard and swinging the sword But even explaining why and using that as an opportunity for the gospel. So I would just want to encourage everyone pleased to use this opportunity as Much as you can to to get the gospel out and to take a firm stance and to let your light shine.
Before men Amen, and we have A listener named Bob in White Plains, New York and Bob asks the question. So Unless I missed this already and I apologize if you're repeating yourself What specifically are ideas that you have how Christians can productively?
Respond to this protest what has happened without perhaps even drawing? Without even drawing. Unnecessary added attention to these events which sometimes happen during public protests of things that Christians participate in.
Yeah, that's interesting. I remember when there were long lines of picketers during the showing of the last temptation of Christ movie. And that was actually bringing more attention to that horrible film.
It was giving it free advertising. So that was an interesting added factor that Bob in White Plains Brought up. But any comments on that?
Yeah, just quickly Bob I would say that you know to to use this opportunities I was just saying as a means of getting the gospel out there. Most of the people who have witnessed this scene On their television sets in the general culture at large in our country and probably all over the world Has not the slightest clue of what the Lord's Supper what that last supper even means.
What it represents what happened there? What the New Covenant is all about. What the cup represents. The bread. They probably don't even really understand anything other than a surface level of what they've experienced.
Maybe in a Roman Catholic setting or so. It really is a good opportunity to say Hey, let me let me just sit. Let me sit down with you or even if you write something on a social media. Let me just explain to you what's what's at stake here how important this particular event is what it means and.
And use that as an opportunity to give the gospel. So so be if be offended rightly, so it should trouble us but just Gone are your you know, your emotions in a direction prayerfully where you use this as an opportunity to to be able to convey to people.
What exactly is is is that? Supper that last supper all about what does it mean?
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