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He's an author, filmmaker, podcast host, White Rose Resistance 1619 Project. We talked about it all. And he's going to be a speaker at the Dangerous Friends Conference coming up March 14th and.

15th.

I'm sorry, March 13th and 14th, Montclova, Ohio, which I will be at. DMW, Dead Man Walking Podcast, will be at podcasting, interviewing, covering that for.

You.

And the list of speakers is pretty insane for the Dangerous Friends Conference. It's pretty cool. Got to meet Seth for the first time, Seth Gruber, and boy, was he a joy. And he's one of those guys where you ask a question or you have a thought and he just goes off 10, 20, 25 minutes and he's talking about stuff.

And one of these guys that can pull references and historical stuff and facts right out of thin air because he knows it. He's got it memorized. He's been living and breathing it for decades. Younger guy, but boy, was I impressed.

And I think you guys are really going to love the episode. I mean, we talked everything from pro-life and abortion stuff. We talked post-denominationalism. We talked about what it means to have dangerous friends.

People who believe in dangerous things and where you can come together with them and how we should and who we should link arms with when fighting trash world and the Leviathan and secular federal government.

Like does denominations matter? Does what you believe matter? Who do we fight with on issues, big issues such as the trans issue and abortion issue and all that? It was a cool episode, you guys. I think we ran about, oh, I don't know, probably 50 minutes or maybe an hour, which was a little longer than I thought we would go.

But I absolutely enjoyed it. And I just let Seth go. I'm like, yeah, tell us about it, ma 'am. Because it was pretty cool to hear someone who is so just in that world and understand how to fight it and understand that he talked about Margaret Singer a lot, too, and some of the history things that people don't even realize with her.

I was aware of them, but not everyone is aware. But yeah, good episode. I think you guys are going to enjoy it. And here we go. It's me and Seth Gruber right now. So, Seth, welcome to Dead Man Walking Podcast.

How are you, brother?

Good, great.

Thanks for having me on.

I love the background in that in your studio there. I'm a little jealous, honestly. Yeah, I was watching and only not listening. It's pretty sweet.

So we got we got the lion there and we got some books back there that'll rip your face off and shock you. But I'm on the road so much, you know, Greg, that, you know, once you come back home, you got to have a place you enjoy being in, you know.

So I tried to make a place basically that like, you know, if Bruce Jenner walked into it, he would turn cis again.

Yeah, you know, I get a little bit of pushback, too, for my bookcase. I've got the systematic theologies and then right below it, Bill Gothard character sketches from when I was in third grade homeschool and people go, why are those up there?

I just remember where I came from, you know, throw those old things behind. But yeah, so so good of you to be on. Spend time with us. Give us a little intro, because I know of you. I don't know a whole lot.

I think maybe my listeners might know more about you than I even do, which is sad to say. But give us a little origin story of Seth Gruber, where you came from, how you grew up, what you're all about.

The Last Stand for Christian Resistance

Yeah, thanks, bro. I heard that we have more mutual friends than Hunter Biden has hidden coke stashes. And so I was I was grateful to hear that. That's a lot of mutual friends. And I'm grateful for how God's sort of uniting people across theological lines as long as we get the gospel and the core essentials.

Right. And and I'm grateful for how many people are recognizing that we're really in the season of the last stand. If Western civilization is going to survive, then we will need a rebirth, a renaissance of Christian resistance once again.

And that's going to require brothers and sisters across theological lines who simply know what time it is and are ready to bleed out on the field together. And what I would find finalize that statement was saying is for the sake of the children, the next generation and our witness.

And so things are out of control in twenty twenty five. I mean, obviously I'm grateful that Jezebel fell from her tower on November 5th. And but Trump is no savior. He's just a tourniquet. And so now it's time for the church to get back into the business of what we should have been doing all along, which I just call resistance.

But but why the heck should anyone listen to me? Well, I've been a pro-life activist since I was a fetus. So a really long time. So you wanted to survive.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

My mother was leading a pregnancy center in the late 80s and early 90s. I was born in ninety one. And so back then, bro, in the 80s, there were like 70 percent less pregnancy resource centers in the country than there are today.

And so she was in her late 20s leading a pregnancy center before it was as popular and hip to do in the pro-life movement. And she was leading that center while pregnant with me. And so she was waddling around the center, loving on moms and saving babies.

And so if if I wasn't a baby, I wasn't a person. Right. Because I was just the insensate blob of non-person tissue. Then I guess whatever is in the mother's body is her body. So according to the law of transitive properties, if A equals B and B equals C, then A equals C.

So I guess I saved those babies, too, that she saved while I was in her uterus. I don't know. I'm trying to figure all this out. But so then I was home.

Now, that sounds like proper leftist logic to me.

Yeah, I was I was homeschooled through eighth grade grade, Southern California. A long story short, I begged my parents to let me go to public school. I wanted to be a sports jock and have the big social scene.

So I went to Whittier High School, which is Nixon's alma mater in Los Angeles County. And my senior year, I did my senior project on abortion, Greg. And they told me, you can't pick the topic of abortion.

And I said, here's a copy of the Constitution you hacks. I recommend you read it or you're going to have a lawsuit on your hands. And I only embellished a little bit there. And so I did threaten to sue my alma mater, Whittier High School, in the fall of 2009 at the beginning of my senior year for viewpoint discrimination.

And they backed off real quick and I did whatever the hell I wanted. I then went off to a fake Christian college in Santa Barbara named Westmont College down the street from Oprah's house. And I didn't I didn't know, Greg, that I was going with to college with a bunch of wokey woke, neo-pagan, Gnostic, Palestine-defending, pro-abortion Democrats.

I didn't realize that. And like my New Testament professor had the Palestinian flag on his on his office door. Multiple of the professors were pro-choice. And so I discovered this as the president of the first pro-life club.

And so I held aborted baby photos on campus my junior year after being banned from bringing in an organization to do a similar display. And Time magazine covered it. I'm sorry, World magazine covered it.

Christianity Today covered it before even before Russell Moore had urinated all over the publication. And that was sort of the beginning of my pro-life activism in a very real way. And so why do I tell you those stories?

Because I took two important lessons with me that have become the tone and tenor of the White Rose Resistance, which is the fastest growing pro-life organization in the country, launched right after Roe v. Wade.

Lesson one, sometimes when you tell tyrannical little Fauci and Faustian dwarves to sit down, they do because it's just the appearance of strength to cover an inner weakness and they would rule over you if they could.

But one man plus God equals a majority. And all we needed was me to stand up and look at my high school people in the face and say, shut up. I'm going to do whatever I want. We need more of that in the church today.

Secondly, in college, I learned that the problem isn't really a bunch of evil Moloch like they all worshiping, you know, demons and demons. The problem is those of us who know better and do nothing and say nothing because we're cowards.

That that was the second lesson I took with me, which is really everything we do at the White Rose Resistance. Yes, I do college campus tours, Greg, like we go into the fray and we do activism and stuff like that.

But almost everything we do is focused on awakening the church. You know, Albert Einstein said the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate and encourage evil than from those who actually commit it.

Sophie Scholl, the namesake of the White Rose Resistance and the namesake of my third child. She said the real damage is done by all of those millions out there who just want to survive. It's the honest men and women who just want to be left in peace.

Those who don't want their little lives disturbed by anything bigger than themselves. Those with no sides and no causes. Those who won't take measure of their own strength for fear of antagonizing their own weaknesses.

Those who don't like to make waves are enemies. Those for whom freedom, honor, strength and principles. It's just literature. Those who live small, die small. The problem has always been a flatulent, pathetic, cowardly church.

And we're seeing that more today, I would say, in the last few years than ever before. And that's why I love the work you do. It's why I love the work that Clear Truth Media is doing. It's why I love the work that Megan Basham is doing with her book, Shepherds for Sale, because we have to expose those in the church who care more about buildings, budgets, baptisms, and they're plus one with Rick Warren on Klaus Schwab's jet to go to Davos at the World Economic Forum every year.

We have to expose those people and we need bold Christian leadership in the local sphere again, where pastors just care and love for the sheep in the city that they live. Because when Christians live like that simultaneously all around the country and the culture, that's how resistance and reformation happens.

So welcome to Dead Men Walking.

Yeah, I love it.

Absolutely.

You know, it's funny. You're a fellow disruptor, so we're going to get along great. You know, you talk about senior projects. I did mine on the buying of Congress and the pulpit. And then I intertwined both politics and religion.

And my English teacher said, you can't do it on that. Can you just do it on like Smashing Pumpkins or something, like everyone else is doing, you know, do it on your favorite band or something.

So you're a big fan of LBJ, obviously.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

So I've been reading this book that my mentor, Dr. George Grant, turned me on to. It's called A Texan Looks at Lyndon, A Study in Illegitimate Power by J. Everett Haley.

Is it good?

Yeah, super interesting. Yeah, I'd recommend it to you. Yeah. J. Everett Haley ran for governor of Texas in 1956. And so he looks at LBJ. It's a really interesting piece. But but yeah, dude, I mean, you were touching on all the things you're not supposed to.

So good for you.

Yeah, but my point being, too, is from a very young age, I recognize that, you know, the Western Christian church fear and fears the culture more than it fears Christ. And when I say fear, I'm not saying scared.

I'm saying in the use that Proverbs use it honors and and really reverences. So what the Christian church has done is we want honor and reverence from the culture and not necessarily from Christ. And I agree with your sentiment that that's probably the most dangerous thing that's happened in the last 15, 20, 25 years and further back, I would say, is is the is the Western church bowing to the culture.

And that's why the culture wars are so important, because the leftists and the pagans and the secularists understand if you have the culture, you have the majority of the evangelical church. And we need guys like you standing up and being disruptors and saying, no, we're not going to do that.

And it's funny, because when you stand up to them, you realize it's kind of a straw man. Yeah, you know, it's kind of they sit down.

Like you said, the emperor has no clothes.

The emperor has no clothes.

Yes. Like Leonard Ravenhill said, Greg, the reason we have so many pygmies in our pews is because we have so many puppets in our pulpits. It's like Upton Sinclair said, it is almost impossible to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it.

I sent that to a Christian apologist friend recently. Our relationship has been completely destroyed, you would know his name, because of his silence on so much of the corruption happening within Christian universities, the church, Big Eva, big evangelicalism.

And I think it really explains so much of what we're seeing today, by the way, Greg. And again, you know, that's why I came on your show, because I'm like, oh, this guy's friends with Clear Truth Media, you know, and that's why I love what they're doing over there.

I wrote up, I think, still to this date, their most viral article. It was a total God thing. I don't know how it went so viral. But, you know, Steve Dace read it out loud on his show. John MacArthur's director of Grace to You was resharing it.

Eric Metaxas was resharing it. It really took off. And it was called The Most Evil Man in Evangelicalism and Those Who Platformed Him. And we looked at all the kind of the Big Eva stuff, which I'm happy to get into if you want.

But I mean, I think that quote by Upton Sinclair really helps elucidate so much of what we're seeing happen in the culture right now. I believe that unless the church flatulent becomes the church militant, it will become the church irrelevant.

And for too long, the church has cared far more about sort of their their attaboys and accolades from the culture than they than they do about hearing well done or than they do about pure and undefiled religion.

You know, I just had Megan Basham on the show for the second time. She's a dear friend. We're actually we do a book club with our air support donors at the White Rose Resistance. That's people who give seventy dollars a month or more to my ministry.

And we read a book together about every six weeks or seven weeks and we talk about it live on Zoom. So we're doing that her book this month in January. She may come on the show to discuss it. But she tells this fascinating story in her book.

And I think it's one of the most powerful takeaways actually from the entire book, which I've read all of it. And she talks about the guy who who used to run Christianity Today and I'm blanking on this name right now, but he has a now deleted article, which only thanks to the guy who wrote Live Not By Lies, Rod Dreher, who captured aspects of that article before it was deleted.

The former either editor in chief or president of Christianity Today talked about in a now deleted article about how a chill and a buzz would run through the whole office anytime their publication would get quoted or retweeted by The Washington Post or The New York Times.

And he said this thrill went through the office and there was this excitement as if we've arrived, that we're respected now, that they see us now. And he said that that spirit, he said, controlled a lot of the things that they would cover and not cover.

He even said, for example, you know, if we did ever cover the marriage issue or or male headship issue or women preaching issue, right, we would only cover it from an egalitarian perspective. I mean, he was like openly saying these things.

Right. Yeah. And then then he deleted it because he basically admitted what what all of clear truth media exists to do, what Megan Basham's book exists to do, which is to say y 'all are just hirelings.

You care far more about what the culture thinks about you than really obedience and subservience to Christ and standing for righteousness and a standard in a culture of death that is in dire need of the prophetic voice of the church.

So anyways, no, this segues us really nicely into the 1916 project, the book and everything surrounding it. Can you tell the listeners a little bit about that? Obviously, we're going to link that up below.

So if you guys are listening or watching, you can go click through, find out all about Seth and that book. But I was flipping through it online, kind of a digital sample. I don't own the book. I will be ordering it.

Tell us what that's about, because it sounds like it's kind of what we're talking about here in some way.

The 1916 Project and Margaret Sanger’s Hidden Legacy

Well, all this goes together. Right. So I have a chapter in the 1916 project called Woke as Wolves. And actually, if if if you guys want like a really great like treatment of Big Eva, if you don't have the stomach for Megan's entire book, which I really think every Christian should read, Shepherds for Sale, then my chapter is only that.

And yet it'll tell you everything you need to know about all this stuff. So, yes, of course, all this stuff goes together because evil is powerless when the good are unafraid, to quote Ronald Reagan. And and it seems like you understand a lot of this, too.

The reason LBJ came up with this idea of the Johnston Amendment, which if you don't know what the Johnston Amendment is, guys, that's the whole like separation of church and state. Hey, pastors, don't get too political from the pulpit or maybe we'll take your 501C3 status.

By the way, they've never actually done that. Organizations like mine are in greater danger of losing their tax exempt status, Greg, than churches are. Like you said, the emperor has no clothes. It's basically just a facade.

But the reason LBJ came up with that is because he didn't like the Christians who were criticizing him when he was a senator. It's just silenced the church. That's always been part of part of the goal.

So anyways, the 1916 project is a documentary in a book. It went viral. We've had nearly a thousand churches screen the film since June. So it's a 75 minute full length documentary. And the book goes significantly deeper than than I could in a 75 minute film.

The film features Dr. George Grant, my mentor and the smartest human that I know, Pastor Jack Kibbs, Eric Metaxas, Dr. Nancy Piercy, Bishop Wooden, John Amanchukwu and Bill Federer. And so we did church screenings exclusively from June until the end of October.

And then we posted it on X and on Twitter in Spanish and English. We got 11 million views together combined. We've now pulled it from Twitter. It was never going to live there. It was just for the premiere.

And now we're in conversation with distribution partners. So people should be able to stream it very soon. Hopefully this quarter, the first quarter of 2025. But guess what? Any church can still host a screening.

So you can go right now to the 1916 project dot com, the one nine one six project dot com. And you can press host a screening. And if your church leadership gives the blessing, you can host that screening at your church right now.

So and so and the book goes a lot deeper. What is 1916? It's the date when Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood and the patron saint of feminism, as some have called her, which was actually probably Shelley, actually.

But in terms of impact, Sanger opened the first Planned Parenthood clinic, the first birth control clinic in the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York. That is the beginning of the billion dollar organization we know today is Planned Parenthood, who is the largest abortion provider in the world, the largest provider of pornographic comprehensive sexuality education in America's public schools.

That if your head has not been buried in the sand, Christian, you might have seen angry, pissed off moms and dads speaking at school board meetings in the last three and a half years. They're largely pissed off about a lot of the obscene stuff in the kids books.

Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of comprehensive sexuality education, and they are now the second largest provider, actually, Greg, of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. Of course. For America's gender confused youth, that's one organization.

How does one organization do all of that? Well, you've got to go back to 1916 to understand that the Hitler links, the Nazi links, the KKK links, the eugenics links, the population reduction links. Like if people listen to your podcast, Greg, they're probably like, yeah, I knew that.

Didn't she speak to a KKK chapter? And like, didn't she call like black people human weeds or something like that? OK, that's only scratches the surface. Y 'all have no idea. And part of the reason, Greg, is that this has been hidden from the American people.

A hundred percent. It's not a forgotten history, though. There's some of that. It's more of a hidden history. Like there has been an attempt by the liberal establishment, and I use that word very liberally, to curate and manage the history of some of the liberals movements or some of their heroines or heroes or, you know, saints, because the history of liberalism, and I use that not in the classical sense, but more in the modern sense, the history of liberalism, leftism, I call it secular humanism, secular progressivism, is so dark and disgusting that your run of the mill Kamala voter on the streets, if they were to learn it, would would look at you with a jaw drop like WTF.

Like, what the? And how do I know this? Because I like read some of these quotes of people on college campuses. Right. And I'll say, you know, who said that? And, you know, or, you know, you tell them what Margaret Sanger did.

And your run of the mill Democrat voter, Greg, is like, what the heck? Because if that history were to become common knowledge to the layperson, I think most sort of common sense liberals, left of center Americans would run, run, run, run from today's Democrat Party.

And so what's hilarious to me, Greg, is that when it comes to racism, the left is very happy to say that anything that was racist, you know, back then is connected to like everything today. And so like, you can't distance yourself from it.

And so that's why we got to tear down the statues, man. That's why we have to rename universities that were named after founders that we didn't like. That's why, you know, Aunt Jemima, if you put that syrup on your pancakes, you're probably a racist, right?

Like they say. And then that's the premise of Black Lives Matter, by the way. And critical race theory. Right. Like what's that dude's name? Not not Ibram X. Kendi. Ibram X. Kendi, it says in How to Be an Anti-Racist.

Greg, he says that the answer to discrimination then is discrimination now, right? That we have to discriminate against white people because, you know, their great grandpapas discriminated against us.

Right. I mean, the whole thing is that like if the if the if the roots of something is racist, then the tree that has grown from those roots is racist as well. And by the way, they like told us this in 2020, right?

They said defund the police. Remember? Because they said, well, the police force originally was used as this way to round up and and recapture escaped slaves, which, by the way, some of that's true. But but they say, therefore, like it's racist today like that.

Those seeds are still there. And so you got to defund the police. OK, now do Margaret Sanger. Now do Alfred, now do Hugh Hefner, right? You notice how they don't apply those same premises to their heroines and heroes today.

So a lot of what we've done with this, Greg, is to simply expose what has been hidden. You know, in Psalm 88, it talks about how righteousness cannot be done in a land of forgetfulness. Right. In Hosea four, six, God says my people are being destroyed for lack of knowledge.

They're actually being destroyed actively now. We're being destroyed for lack of knowledge in the American church today. And I'll tell you this, the number one response I have received from the tens of thousands of people who have watched this movie live and from reading the book is the response.

I've never heard any of this before. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess we're trying to make Margaret Sanger famous. And my contention is that she's probably the most successful like leftist revolutionary of the 20th century in terms of her impact on today's culture.

Not even Alfred Kinsey could have been who he was without walking down a trail. Margaret Sanger had already been had already blazed for him. And so that's a little bit of what the 1916 project is. And it finishes both in the film and the book with a call to Christian resistance, telling the story of the heroes of the original white rose resistance in Nazi Germany.

But it's a beautiful film aesthetically, philosophically, ideologically, spiritually. It's a beautiful film. So I would recommend the book and the film to your audience. And thanks for letting me rant.

No, I love it. And I'm glad you're fighting that fight because, you know, I was just talking to someone last week about how demoralizing and how frustrating it can be when you seem like you've been in the trenches on certain subjects for years and years, sometimes even decades.

And then you do some of those subjects you see come to fruition and people come into enlightenment on it. But still, I think Sanger is one of those to where we have made some headway, but like you said, the mass majority of just people in general don't understand the facts about who she was, what she believed, what her life was like.

And if they did, I'm echoing you, it would be, I mean, it would be like a bomb going off. If actual mainstream went out and said, this is what we're basing our whole ideal on over the last hundred.

And I mean, remember like Nancy Pelosi got the Margaret Sanger award. Great.

That's what I mean.

Hillary Clinton got the Margaret Sanger award and Kamala Harris was working really hard to get the Margaret Sanger award. By the way, Kamala Harris is the first, is sort of the first Margaret Sanger. She too slept her way up the levers of power.

But anyway, that's a conversation for another time. But Kamala Harris was really trying to get the Margaret Sanger award and Planned Parenthood loves her. And then they just stopped giving it in the summer of 2020 in July of 2020 due to pressure from BLM.

By the way, this is because Greg, the revolution will always eat its own. And so in July of 2020, BLM Antifa and the, and the disciples of the 1619 project, not the 1916 project, the 1619 project said, Hey, Hey, this was right after they canceled Aunt Jemima, you know, and they were calling to defund the police.

Pro-abortion leftists and BLM, Greg, not pro-lifers said, Hey, Planned Parenthood, your founder, Margaret Sanger was a racist and a eugenicist. And bro, I was like front row seats, man, popcorn, lots of butter, extra large Dr. Pepper.

I'm here for it all. Like this is hilarious. And so they came to the pressure from the pro-abortion left and they took her name off of the Margaret Sanger center that in New York city, their mega Planned Parenthood clinic on bleaker street got rid.

They took her name off of it. New York city got rid of the sign that said the Margaret Sanger square for goodness sake. And it was that month that they stopped giving out the Margaret Sanger award. Now, listen, can you imagine if, you know, I don't know, the GOP had been giving out like you know, some awards in the name of some racist or something or slave owner, you know, to, to like mainstream Republicans.

Can you imagine the kind of field day the media would have with that? What the DNC would do with that? Well, then I would love, I would love to ask some questions of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and the entire liberal establishment who defended her and carried water for her for decades as to what they would say about some of her quotes, you know, like what, like what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you have to say to Margaret Sanger saying, we are paying for and even submitting to the dictates of an ever increasing unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at.

All.

What would you say to her quote when she said the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over fertility of the mentally and physically defective. What would you have to say to the woman who called for sterilization and segregation camps to be set up on us soil?

What would you say about the woman who said that we should sterilize young women? And then if we determine that they're fit enough to have kids, then we can undo the sterilization process. If we decide to let them have kids in the process, what would you say to the woman who said our, our objective is unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children.

Or how about to the woman who said, keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain clients whose condition is known to be detrimental to the, to the stamina of the race. I mean like we could go on and on and on and on.

Like I could read these quotes to people and say, who said this? Um, you know, uh, Donald Trump or Barack Obama. And they would all think that these were some sort of like, you know, racist xenophobic, uh, comments that they attribute to Trump.