There Be Dragons: Evidence Men Walked with Dinosaurs

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April 17, 2022

Does the Bible hold that men walked with dinosaurs? Did Adam and Eve take dominion over and name all of the creatures, or just some? Is there evidence that man walked with dinosaurs? Are the dragon myths and legends real, at least some of them. Join Dr. Dan Biddle from Genesis Apologetics as he explores these topics.

00:00: And we're talking about a very interesting, enthusiastic topic today about dragons and dinosaurs, so I see some students here.
00:07: Let's get some feedback. I want some answers to questions, so here we go.
00:13: This is a model of a skull, and I want to know, is it real, and what is it, and where was it found?
00:22: Can anyone tell me anything about this skull? First, let's start with some group feedback.
00:27: What does it look like it belonged to? A dragon, that's exactly right.
00:34: Can I have any students tell me, be brave? Do you think it's real? Right there in the front row.
00:41: It's not real, okay, we have one student saying it's not real. What do you think in the back? Yes. Not real?
00:49: What do you guys think? Yes. It's not real? What do you think when we're in the blue shirt?
00:56: It's real, he says. Okay, so I got one taker that says it's real, so if it's real, what do you think it belonged to?
01:03: Yes, in the blue shirt again. Okay, so he's actually right.
01:10: This is a true skull from a pack of syphilis. This is a dinosaur skull, but what does it look like?
01:18: It obviously looks like a dragon. And today, we're going to have to earn it, because we're going to have to go through all kinds of slides to get there, but at the end, because I want to save it to the end for some good reasons,
01:29: I want to make sure you guys track with me. We're going to talk about maybe these creatures actually lived after the flood, and maybe some of them are in fact real, and we have some good credible evidence that will explore that.
01:40: But thank you very much for your feedback about that. I'll leave it right here so we can take a look as we go through.
01:45: So just a little bit about our ministry. It's called Genesis Apologetics. You can go to our website, just those two words put together,
01:52: Genesis Apologetics. We put out several different movies, one's called Genesis Impact. We have a debunking evolution,
01:59: Seven Myths, Foundations, and we have a new one called The Ark in the Darkness, which will be out in theaters.
02:05: It's going to be a prominent movie on Noah's Flood that will come out in about a year and a half. We strengthen a lot of people on social media.
02:13: We have about 120 ,000 subscribers to our YouTube channel and about 11 million views so far.
02:19: We speak in a lot of different private Christian schools, especially in Northern California. We give a lot of local church presentations and conferences called the
02:27: G1 Conference. That's a little bit about our ministry. Our two primary programs, which, by the way, are free to students.
02:34: You just go back to our booth in the back and both of these programs are free. The first one's called the debunkevolution .com.
02:41: You can download everything there on the website if you like. But what we do there is we take life science programs that people go through in public school and in biology classes, and we took the top ten pillars of evolution and addressed them from a scientific and biblical standpoint.
02:56: And the Seven Myths program is better designed for high school students before they go away to college.
03:02: It's designed to strengthen their faith in the Genesis account because kids today, students today, want to know that if the truth doesn't start in Genesis, where does it start?
03:12: How many pages do they have to turn before they bump into truth? And we believe that it starts on the first page of God's Word.
03:18: This is probably our most popular book called Answers to the Top 50 Questions about Genesis Creation and Noah's Flood.
03:25: Because we have a pretty prominent Facebook and Instagram presence, we get a ton of questions and comments with people asking us all kinds of questions about Genesis and the
03:34: Flood. So we compiled a book of the top 50 questions that we get and put that out for free.
03:40: You can also download our mobile app by going to the iTunes or Google Play store, and we have about 120 ,000 people that have found that useful by installing it on their phones, and it plums into the main primary
03:53: YouTube videos that we have on YouTube. Here's a couple of our movies available. Those are also free on our website, or you can go to the back and grab some
04:01: DVDs. And here's more about our Noah's Flood movie. We're working with Ralph Stren as the director -producer to put out this movie.
04:10: He put out the movie called Genesis Paradise Lost. Has anyone heard of that movie? Really great movie.
04:15: It's the fourth on Christian Cinema right now. It's probably the leading creation film that's out there right now.
04:21: About two hours long, gets into the Genesis account, and he'll be doing our movie about the Flood. And we have a book that will complement this movie that's also available in the back of the room.
04:32: So first, before we get into the dinosaurs and dragons thing, I want to talk about my first source book that I'm going to be using to describe the case for dinosaurs and dragons, and it's the
04:43: Bible. And I have to say, quite honestly, that I would not be standing up here today as a person who loves evidence, as a person who has a
04:52: PhD in behavioral science and spent about 20 years testifying as an expert about evidence in statistics and research in state and federal court cases,
05:01: I would not be here today if the Bible was not robustly and rigorously valid and reliable.
05:09: So what do I mean by that? Well, let's look at what the Bible says about some things.
05:14: Because the Bible should be both valid, which means it's got to be accurate in what it predicts, and then
05:19: I would also want it to be reliable. I would want it to be consistently translated over the generations so that I know that the
05:26: Bible that I can get today on my phone is truly, in fact, the inspired, inerrant word that was first written down.
05:34: So what I mean by reliable is here's an example of an archer who would be shooting arrows.
05:39: He's got a really tight cluster in the upper right corner there, and this archer is reliable, very consistent, but they're missing the bullseye.
05:47: So that's an example of reliability because we would want what we have, we want what's originally written, but that would be what was written would be not accurate.
05:57: So we would want those clusters to move down a little bit, but what if we have this kind of a pattern with an archer?
06:03: This is neither an archer who would be reliable or valid. They're missing the bullseye, and they're missing the bullseye consistently.
06:10: This person would just be hit and miss. But here's what we want. We want the Bible to be both reliable and valid.
06:17: We want it to be reliable with respect to what was originally written down or recorded over the centuries, and we would want it to be valid in its predictions about prophecy and how it applies to our life.
06:28: That's the only way I'm going to base my family and my values upon a book. It's got to be both reliable and valid.
06:35: So what does the Bible say about itself? How is it different from any other book that we can get at any other bookstore in the world?
06:43: Well, the Bible says about itself in 2 Peter 121, for no prophecy or teaching was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the
06:53: Holy Spirit spoke from God. 2 Timothy 3 .16 says that all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.
07:05: So we have a religious book here compiled in the 66 books of the Bible that claims to be inspired written by God through man.
07:14: That's what we have today. So is it reliable? Well, here's just one example. Do you know that if we look at some of these ancient works of history like Caesar about the
07:23: Gaelic Wars and Tacitus and Domitians and Homer, we have hundreds and hundreds of copies of these, but they're far away from the original.
07:32: This work here is 400 years away from the original, and this one's 1 ,400 years away from the original.
07:38: But the Bible, we have over 5 ,300 manuscripts of the
07:44: Bible that we know are less than 300 years away from the original. So we have the reliability question answered.
07:51: We can go back through antiquity and take Bible manuscripts from many different cultures and compare them with what we have today, and we have incredible, incredible consistency.
08:02: Well, what about archeology? Do you know that here's just one small example, because I'm going to give you a tour through lots of different examples here.
08:10: Here are 53 different people in the Bible that have been confirmed and validated by modern archeology.
08:18: Not dozens, but 53 of them. That's half of 100 people that you can go back specifically and say,
08:24: King David, and here are some records about where he lived and what he did. And pick another patriarch from the Bible and go back, and you can validate it using modern archeology.
08:33: Well, what about Jesus? Do you know that there are at least 43 prophecies about Jesus that are not vague.
08:40: They're very specific prophecies about Jesus. We're not going to read them today. I would encourage you to look into this.
08:46: If you're a skeptic here today or watching online, just consider that we have very, very valid, reliably written prophecies that we can go back to antiquity and see what they said about this coming
08:58: Jesus and validate that Jesus himself fulfilled these prophecies, and there's at least 40 of them.
09:04: These are just some examples. Okay, what about the Dead Sea Scrolls? That's probably the most amazing thing that's happened in your guys' lifetime is this
09:14: Bedouin Shepherd was out looking for a lost sheep, chucked a stone up into a cave to try to scare the sheep out and heard some shattering glass and walked in there and found the greatest discovery in our lifetime with respect to the
09:27: Bible. Multiple, multiple jars of pottery filled with ancient scrolls that were over 2 ,000 years old, and now we can use those ancient scrolls to compare what was written back then to what we have now 2 ,000 years later.
09:43: It's an amazing thing. 40 ,000 scroll fragments have now been pulled out of 11 caves, and they're actually still finding stuff over there.
09:50: It's incredible. And we know from a lot of different dating that they were at least written 2 ,000 years ago.
09:56: There's one that we can pull out and look at today. It's just a great Isaiah scroll. You can go to Israel and see this today.
10:03: It's just one of seven complete scrolls that were found, and it has the entire book of Isaiah, and we know from different dating methods it was more than 2 ,000 years old.
10:13: But here's the key. We can confirm that this book was written before Christ, over 100 years before Christ.
10:21: And why is that important? Because it has over 12 prophecies that were very specific, very granular about Christ that we can now confirm were written before Christ that we can confirm happened in Christ's life.
10:35: So we can go back and validate it. So we just look at one chapter, Isaiah 53.
10:41: Here's all the words in Isaiah 53 in our modern Bibles. We can now take all of those words, phrases, and sentences in our modern
10:51: Bibles today and go back to the Dead Sea Scroll and see over 2 ,000 years of transcription to see and determine if it was accurate.
11:01: And here's why that's important. Here are the 12 prophecies that were written about Christ that we have in that chapter.
11:08: It says things like this about Jesus, about the Messiah. It said he would not be widely believed.
11:14: He would not have the look of majesty. He would be despised and suffer. He would be concerns over others' health and he would die for our sins.
11:22: Pain and punishment would be for us. He would not respond to his charges. He would be oppressed and killed.
11:29: So are you getting the idea? These are very specific things that we're talking about, about the Messiah, and all of them came true when
11:37: Christ died. So now that we have this information, we know that the original scroll was written by Isaiah in about 700
11:45: B .C. We have this, the Dead Sea Scroll of Isaiah that was written in about 125
11:51: B .C. Then we have the Aleppo Codex which was written about 1 ,000 years later.
11:56: So we can compare our Bibles from here to here and we knew that this jump was pretty reliable and pretty accurate, but we didn't have this until about 60 years ago.
12:06: Now that we have this, we can go back and check 2 ,000 years of recorded history to see if our modern
12:13: Bible translations are accurate. And of course, guess what we found? It is, in fact, reliable for about 2 ,200 years of transcription.
12:24: Not only that, because it was written before Christ by 125 years. We know that Christ was crucified somewhere around 30, 33
12:32: A .D. We can now prove that those 12 prophecies written about Christ that could be for no other man in history because they're so specific, we can prove that they were valid.
12:42: So the Bible accurately made predictions about the Messiah, and all of them came true when
12:48: Christ was crucified. Okay, so let's talk about why is that important.
12:54: Well, we can go back and check all these four different written copies. And you know, some people have broken it down.
12:59: They said of the 166 Hebrew words in Isaiah 53, only 17 letters in the
13:05: Dead Sea Scroll differ from the Codex, which is about the 1 ,000 A .D. But only of those, 10 letters were spelling differences, four letters were stylistic changes, three letters were added for the word light, and one word was added.
13:21: So it's 99 .4 % the same. That is incredible. So if you can see the little red part
13:28: I put here in Isaiah 53, only that word is a discrepancy between the 2 ,000 -year -old version and the version that we have today.
13:36: It's talking about, well, the Messiah, he will see the light of life and be satisfied, or he will just see the light and be satisfied.
13:45: That's not bad for 2 ,000 years of transcription. So we can trust what the Bible says about things in life, and especially things about dinosaurs, which is relevant to our talk today.
13:56: I will stand up here and say that what you believe about dinosaurs has huge theological implications about what you believe.
14:04: And we know from psychology that what you believe is going to result in how you behave, and how you behave is going to turn out into your life outcomes.
14:13: That's just straight common sense. I would also say that what you believe about dinosaurs also reflects what you think about God's character, because we all know what the
14:23: Bible says about creation. It's very, very clear, and God's word is either instructive or not. And dinosaurs are used to promote evolution all through your children's lives.
14:33: Everywhere you guys go, natural history museums, NOVA, History Channel, all these things are designed to get your students to believe in evolution, because they attach fascination with dinosaurs to the idea of millions of years of evolution.
14:47: Put those things together to carry your student through a belief system that's going to be indoctrinated in them about the idea of millions of years in evolution.
14:56: So here's just an example of some books to prove this out. So here's a book that's actually called Life Through Time, the 700 million years of history on Earth.
15:06: Life Through Time for kids. It started with the Big Bang. Here's another one called Billions of Years of Amazing Changes and Amazing Evolution, the
15:16: Journey of Life. So millions and millions of kids around the world right now are going through these books and playing video games where they're being programmed dinosaurs, evolution, millions of years.
15:26: It's being seeped into their minds, and God is giving, he's getting really no credit for the design of these creatures.
15:35: So here's why it's important, because you really have two choices about God's character and dinosaurs.
15:40: The first choice is this. If you believe in evolution and the idea of millions of years, either as a
15:46: Christian or as a secularist, you have to say, you have to ask this question, did
15:51: God really use a long, slow, clumsy, random, murderous process to bring about life on Earth through survival of the fittest and random mutations?
16:02: Because that's what you're saying. If you believe in the idea of dinosaurs and millions of years, you're saying that God used this long, slow, random, murderous process of these creatures surviving and adapting and changing and survival of the fittest to go from one step and progression of vertical evolution to the next, to the next, to the next, to eventually lead to man on Earth.
16:21: Or the other choice, if you're a creationist, is simply this, that maybe God created everything initially perfect, lovingly gave us free choice, and then we messed it up.
16:33: That's what I'm here today to promote is the idea that God created these creatures perfectly on the sixth day of creation.
16:39: They started out as vegetarians, so did we, gave us free will and free choice, and then we made the choice to go against God, and through that sin came death and corruption and bloodshed.
16:52: So if you hold to a literal interpretation of Genesis as we're promoting here today, you have creation with six days that are perfect, then you have at some point the fall where sin enters into the world, and the effect of that fall, as said according to Romans and First Corinthians, was death.
17:08: Death came through sin, and then we have things like thorns and thistles also were part of the curse.
17:15: Well, you know, there's a problem with evolutionists because those thorns and thistles supposedly are millions and millions of years old before humans were even here to sin.
17:25: So if you hold the literal interpretation, we put thorns and thistles and death as a result of our sin, and then we have death and suffering as brought into the world through our bad choices, through Adam and Eve.
17:38: But if you hold to a non -literal interpretation of Genesis, we have creation, and then we supposedly have millions of years of life and development that at some point
17:47: Adam and Eve came around, depending upon your timeline, maybe between 60 and 200 ,000 years ago if you believe in the evolution story of deep time, and then at some point we have the fall and sin, and then we have all these millions of years before that, and we have death and suffering and bloodshed before that.
18:05: So how did death and suffering get into the world before we were here to bring it? That's a very, very big moral problem and a theological problem.
18:14: And of course, we have thorns and thistles in the fossil record supposedly before humans were even here to bring the result of sin, which was thorns and thistles, which would really make the fall having no effect and making death and suffering
18:27: God's fault. Well, it's not. Death and suffering and bloodshed and cancer is a result of our choice to go against God.
18:35: So you can't really have man's idea here, which says that time and death eventually led from a rat -like creature that they call
18:44: Schrodinger to go over to mammals all the way up to man, but God's Word says that everything started out perfect and it was death and sin that brought suffering and bloodshed.
18:54: So the evolutionists would say the progression of millions of years eventually led from apes to us, but the
19:00: Bible's much, much different. We started out perfect and through sin, death and suffering came. So let's first frame about dinosaurs in the
19:09: Bible. When did they come about and where did they go? So if we have a 6 ,000 -year timeline, if we hold to a historical, literal interpretation of Genesis, we've got about a 6 ,000 -year timeframe here.
19:21: Dinosaurs were created on the sixth day of creation. Then at some point, the fall and corruption came into the earth.
19:28: And then the flood happened about 1 ,656 years into, after creation.
19:34: And then we would have about 85 different family types of dinosaurs. Secularists would say there's 1 ,000 species of dinosaurs, but only about 85 at the family level.
19:45: It's our belief, as most creationists would hold, that those 85 different varieties of dinosaurs were brought onto the ark, and then after they get off the ark, after the year -long flood, that's when things like they were hunted into extinction, they were not equipped for the new world after the flood, and extinction happened rapidly for most dinosaur species.
20:08: However, some of them lived on today, not to today, but lived on later after the flood, probably through medieval times to create a lot of the myths and legends we have about dragons today.
20:22: So let's first take a look at God's idea of a dinosaur, starting with Behemoth in Job chapter 40.
20:30: If you don't mind, I'd like to read this because this is probably one of the most impactful things a speaker can ever say about dinosaurs.
20:37: We'll start up here in Job chapter 40. So the context is
20:42: Job is whining for chapters and chapters and chapters, and then finally his friends say, you ought to just curse
20:49: God and die. You're going through all this suffering and everything, and so Job's pleading before God and saying, help me, help me, help me, and God shows up to Job and tells him to hold onto himself and listen, and some of the first things out of God's mouth is,
21:03: Job, I'm the creator. I create all these powerful, amazing things, and then
21:08: God begins to talk about his amazing creature called Behemoth. He says, look now,
21:14: Job, at Behemoth, which I made along with you, like on the same sixth day of creation.
21:21: This creature eats grass like an ox, and see now, he has strength in his hips. Why would
21:27: God have to point out that this creature has strength in his hips? Doesn't every creature have strength in its hips?
21:33: But God's pointing it out and says, well, something about Behemoth, he's got really strong hips, and his power is in his stomach muscles.
21:40: So some creature's got power in his stomach muscles. He moves his tail like a cedar. So right now we know we're outside of conventional animal taxonomies.
21:51: There's nothing we have alive today that's going to move its tail like a cedar tree. The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
21:58: His bones are like beams of bronze. His ribs are like bars of iron. He is the first, and the
22:04: Hebrew's talking about the chief or the first in a ranked list. You take an ordinal list. God says this one is at the top.
22:11: God's saying this is the biggest, baddest thing I ever made on earth. He says he's the first of the ways of God.
22:19: Only he who made him can bring near his sword. Surely the mountains yield food for him, and all the beasts of the field play there.
22:26: He lies under the lotus tree in a covert of reeds and marsh. The lotus trees cover him with their shade, and the willows by the brooks surround him.
22:34: Indeed, a river may rage, yet he is not disturbed. He is confident, though the
22:40: Jordan River gushes in his mouth, though he can take it in his eyes, or one pierces his nose with a snare.
22:47: That's almost a riddle if you read that last sentence. Another translation puts it like this. Can one take him by the eyes or pierce his nose with a snare?
22:56: Did you know that a sauropod dinosaur, when it's standing up, is unapproachable? Look where his eyes are located, about 50 feet high in the air, and he's got one eye on each side of his skull.
23:07: You could not get near this creature without it noticing. And then why does God say that only its creator, only the creator of this behemoth, can even approach him?
23:18: Because if this dinosaur turns around in a circle, it's got a 270 -foot kill zone with a 10 ,000 -pound tail.
23:25: It's unapproachable by man. So I would say that this description in Job fits the sauropod dinosaur quite well because it has a tail that sways like a cedar tree.
23:35: It's the first among God's works and the chief of all of his creation because there's no other creature that's ever been discovered that's bigger.
23:42: Some of these creatures in the fossil record are 122 feet long and over 70 tons.
23:47: And look at this. It does have strength in its loins and power in the belly of its muscles, or power in its belly muscles.
23:55: Its sinews of its thighs are closely knit. It's got bones like tubes of bronze and ribs like rods of iron.
24:02: Do you know that if you look at a sauropod, the only bones in its body that are fully ossified, that are fully solid, are its rib bones, exactly like the
24:12: Scripture here says. Ribs like rods of iron, but its other bones are hollow like tubes of bronze.
24:20: And a river can rage and doesn't alarm it. It's secure, though the Jordan could surge in its mouth.
24:25: Well, the Jordan could surge in its mouth because it's planting its 70 -ton body into the river and nothing could move it.
24:32: So God had a perfect description of this monstrous creature called a behemoth, and it fits all 14 characteristics of Job chapter 40.
24:42: Some study Bible notes will say, well, maybe it's a hippopotamus or maybe it's an alligator or a crocodile.
24:48: None of these characteristics, well, some of them could be stretched to fit, but they really don't fit a sauropod dinosaur.
24:55: Job chapter 40 only fits a sauropod dinosaur. So here's what it looks like.
25:00: Here's its femur bone. Look how big that is. It's the largest animal recorded in history. There's its footprint.
25:06: This is God's idea of a dinosaur. He says it's the chief, the first in rank of all things that he made.
25:13: That's the leg. Here's a diplodocus, which is a type of sauropod. Huge tail. And when you zoom in close on its neck here, you can see that it has these neck attachment features called the double -beamed chevron bones.
25:28: Let's take a quick look at these double -beamed chevron bones and what they can do. They would allow its neck to fold over or bend over and not fold in half because it's got a super long neck, some cases 50 feet long.
25:42: They're interlocking and twistable. They're perfect for linking tendons and ligaments without pinching your veins and things like that.
25:50: It surrounds the esophagus and the trachea so we can breathe and eat, and it's unfoldable in certain areas.
25:56: So something's going on here where God has a very clever design with these creatures, but it gets even better.
26:02: Do you know that its neck is built like a suspension bridge? Someone engineered this creature because you can't have a long tail without a long neck and you can't have a long neck without a long tail.
26:14: The features of those two form a weighting system that creates what's called tension loading and compression loading.
26:20: That's the only way you can get this huge creature to walk around and live. It's just the same type of way that they built suspension bridges today.
26:29: So we could honestly stop right here, as far as I'm concerned, and say how is it that this ancient manuscript that we know is at least 3 ,500 years old records a perfect description of a known creature called a sauropod dinosaur?
26:42: Why does God brag about it and say it's the chief of all of his works? And now we've figured out, well, it's the biggest thing ever made.
26:49: That's amazing stuff, but it gets even better. These vertebrae inside the sauropod are 4 1⁄2 feet long or 4 1⁄2 feet wide, but they're pneumatic, which means they're honeycomb or they're filled with air.
27:03: Over 90 % of the vertebrae cavity is actually filled with spongy air so that it could even lift up its head.
27:12: Otherwise, if you had a huge, fully ossified vertebrae, it would be so heavy it couldn't even lift up its head, but God knew exactly what he was doing.
27:20: The text gets even more uncanny when you start looking at the engineering and design. So remember what the verse says, that he moves his tail like a cedar.
27:31: The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit. Just look at that verse for a minute.
27:37: Moves his tail like a cedar, and the sinews of his thighs are tightly knit. And sure enough, paleontologists have just discovered that the way that the connecting tendons and muscles work on a sauropod dinosaur is it necessarily had to sway its tail because of the sinews of his thighs are tightly knit and he moves his tail like a cedar because they've never found sauropod tail drag marks in sediment layers that have turned into rock.
28:06: They always find they're carrying their tails up high and it's because of how the muscles have connecting points back to the tail vertebrae.
28:14: Just amazing, amazing design. So how did the dinosaurs go extinct? Well, they went extinct in the worldwide flood.
28:20: I think that's quite obvious. Let's take a look at some of the key flood verses. In Genesis, we have here in chapter 711, in the 600th year of Noah's life, in the seventh month, the 17th day of the month, so we know we're dealing with a history book here, the same day were all of the fountains of the great deep broken up and the windows of heaven were open.
28:43: So something started on the ocean floor that led to the demise of the dinosaurs.
28:49: Let's just take a look at one theory about that. I think it's the one theory that's been proven now.
28:54: It's called catastrophic plate tectonics where these six really smart PhDs got together in the 90s and framed this theory, and it's now the most substantiated theory about the flood in the world.
29:06: Here's what it looked like when the fountains of the great deep broke open. We have a catastrophic event that was going on on the ocean floor that was volcanic in nature, broke open the ocean floor with linear steam jets coming up with critically heated water turning into steam and causing tsunamis to come onto land in rapid, successive ways.
29:28: We know this happened because we have models of Pangaea where it's modeled using John Bob Gardner's Terra model where Pangaea broke apart when all the fountains of the great deep were broken open.
29:40: We can see today that there's over a 40 ,000 mile linear rift system that goes around the world almost two times over.
29:48: We can see the fountains of the great deep. You're looking at Genesis 7 verse 11 in real time here.
29:54: These are the fountains of the great deep where they broke open and how we led to a Pangaea -like continent splitting apart.
30:01: It even gets more obvious when you look at the mid -Atlantic bridge right there in the middle of Earth. We can see another map here where we take the water away.
30:09: We can see the continental shelves. It's like a 10 ,000 mile baseball scene that goes right down the middle of Earth there.
30:16: That's where the fountains of the great deep broke open causing tsunamis to go up on each side of the continents rapidly burying the dinosaurs.
30:24: When that happened, we have a phenomenon known as seafloor spreading where the magma was coming up from underneath the
30:32: Earth and spreading. When it's spreading, it's creating new seafloor that's pushing these continents apart.
30:38: This is just an example where it happened at the mid -Atlantic bridge. As the magma's coming up, it's creating new seafloor that's going against the land masses on either side.
30:49: When that's happening, we have the downward -facing seafloor coming over here to the overriding plate, and they bind and create tension.
30:59: The largest earthquake in recorded history happened in 2011 with a 9 .1
31:05: Richter scale earthquake that happened in Japan. We know it was a seafloor slip. In fact, it slipped by 60 feet.
31:13: It was enough cause to bring a huge tsunami that went up uncovered over Japan killing all kinds of people and wrecking all kinds of real estate.
31:22: So it's still happening today, only at a much slower rate. Experts have estimated that during the flood, they're happening at a rate of about one every five minutes.
31:33: So here we have the magma coming up. It's creating new seafloor. It's subducting underneath the landmass here.
31:39: And when that's happening, the subducting landmass, or the subducting seafloor, is coming over the downward -facing seafloor here.
31:48: It's coming against the overriding plate. It binds and creates tension and then slips. And when it slips, it's going to bring tsunamis that go out to sea and tsunamis that are going to come onto land.
31:58: And this is exactly why we have 14 states of dead dinosaurs buried in the middle of America.
32:05: It's not just that area. It actually encompasses three countries. It's 1 ,800 miles long by 1 ,000 miles wide, and it encompasses a million square miles total.
32:16: What I just explained to you, catastrophic plate tectonics, is really the only way you can explain a one -million -mile square area here that's been buried with all kinds of dinosaurs.
32:29: Well, the evolutionists would say, no, we think it's an asteroid called the Chicxulub asteroid that landed on the
32:37: Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico. Well, look where that little asteroid hit, way, way down here, and some simulations have been run of where the tsunamis would come up on land, would cover most of Texas and everything.
32:48: But it completely missed the dinosaurs in this area, some of which are buried under 100 feet of mud.
32:55: So the asteroid theory really can't explain how you have 14 states of dead dinosaurs over here buried in mud layers.
33:02: And here's an example of a helicopter over a B -rex, and it's under 100 feet of mud in the middle of Montana that's about 2 ,000 miles away from where the
33:11: Chicxulub asteroid hit. So it definitely missed this entire whole region over here of dead dinosaurs.
33:17: So if we drop the rock, take a look at the asteroid, it's going to create a... With the simulation, it's going to go up and bury some parts of Southern America, but it's going to miss what
33:26: I just showed you here. Something else had to have happened, and what happened was a subducting plate.
33:32: In fact, in California, it was a ferulon plate that subducted under the west coast of America, bringing up mud and sediment in a catastrophic way, draping it right over the entire continent, and that's how we know that these creatures died.
33:46: So it came in from an east -to -west, or west -to -east fashion like that, and bringing in these repeating tsunamis that are responsible for burying all these dinosaurs.
33:57: Well, how do we know this happened for sure? Well, it's quite obvious. You look at fossil correlation. We know now we can go and take a look at different species that are buried on matching sides of continents when they used to be put back together.
34:10: We see some brothers and sisters are on one side over here, and then the sister of that creature might be over here.
34:15: We have the same species that used to be spread over the continents when they were together. So let's take a look at a specific example.
34:23: We can see here these two continents, and every one of these little dots is a massive fossil graveyard, and we can see this little notch here has all kinds of dead creatures and lots of dead creatures over here too.
34:35: So if we splice them back together in a pangea -like formation before the flood, we can see we had a happy little biosphere here with all these plants and animals living over here.
34:46: Then they were catastrophically spread apart when the fountains of the great deep broke open. And now look at this.
34:52: We can actually correlate all these different same types of plants and animals are now buried on matching sides.
35:01: So you've got cousins and brothers and sisters that are now 3 ,000 miles apart that used to be together.
35:07: That's solid proof that this thing happened rapidly and catastrophically. But if we needed more evidence, let's look at some dinosaur taphonomy.
35:16: And this is where we study how these creatures were buried. What type of dirt and material are they buried in?
35:23: Well, it's interesting. If you look at the dinosaurs that are just in America alone, they're buried in a matrix of three different types of substances, mud, sand, and ash.
35:35: So how do you take 14 states in the middle of America and fill them with mud, sand, and ash, and then jammed in the layers of that mud, sand, and ash, put dinosaurs and fish together?
35:47: So we have land creatures and marine creatures that are buried together in the middle of America in those three types of products, mud, sand, and ash.
35:56: Well, catastrophic plate tectonics is probably the only way you can explain that because if you have this abducting plate that goes over the overriding landmass and it binds and releases, it causes a tsunami.
36:08: That's going to bring up mud and sand from the ocean and bury it onto land. And when this abducting plate happens, we have volcanism that happens on the coastal regions over here, bringing up all kind of ash and burying them together.
36:22: So I would say that CPT, or catastrophic plate tectonics, explains perfectly what happened to the dinosaurs.
36:30: Let's go in and drill even a little bit closer. So take a look at this. This is all the Allosaurus creatures that have been found on the
36:37: American continent here. So you can see all those little blue circles here are where they found the
36:42: Allosaurus creatures buried. And now keep your eye on those circles as we fly in the sauropods.
36:49: Wow, look at that. The sauropods are buried in the same places that the Allosaurus are buried on, almost like something happened to both of them at the same time.
36:57: And then if we fly in the Stegosaurus, same kind of thing. They're buried in the same regions. So if we fly them all in together, we have a dinosaur kill zone that happened in a snapshot of time.
37:08: It wasn't evolution over millions of years because these families of different species are all found smooshed up together, buried in mud, sand, and ash.
37:18: But it even gets better. Let's look at dinosaur soft tissue. So if you go back in the textbooks about 20 years ago, when
37:26: I went to college, the paleontology field at that time would swear up and down that dinosaur bones, dinosaur fossils, are just rocks.
37:36: They're leftover, petrified images and traces of what used to be a bone, but they're not still bone.
37:43: That was collectively the main thought and thrust of paleontologists. In fact, they still teach that.
37:49: Here's a quote from one video. There's many that say fossils are teeth and bones that have changed into stone.
37:56: Let's look at a quick video that talks about fossils then and now. Here's another example from a workbook that says minerals in the ground or groundwater surrounding the skeleton slowly replace the bone to form a fossil.
38:08: Let's take a quick look at a video that explains this. After he died, other dinosaurs ate him, and the rest of his skin and muscles rotted away, leaving just his bones.
38:20: These were quickly buried by mud. Over millions of years, more layers landed on top, mud, sand and even volcanic ash.
38:33: This added up to a lot of weight on top of the skeleton. Some parts got crushed.
38:40: The layers of mud, sand and ash turned into hard, sedimentary rocks. While this was happening, water seeped into the bones.
38:51: It left behind minerals, turning the bones to stone. While this was happening, the water seeped into the bones.
39:02: It left behind minerals, turning the bones into stone. If you go to a natural history museum today, that's what they're teaching you.
39:09: But what do we know now about dinosaur fossils? What does the real scientist say? Let's take a look at a secular paleontologist, probably the most famous one in America today named
39:20: Jack Horner. Let's see what he says about it. We all know that bones are fossilized.
39:26: And so if you dump it into acid, there shouldn't be anything left. But there was something left.
39:32: There were blood vessels left. There were flexible, clear blood vessels. And so here was the first soft tissues from a dinosaur.
39:42: It was extraordinary. But she also found osteocytes, which are the cells that laid down the bones.
39:49: And try and try, we could not find DNA. But she did find evidence of proteins.
39:57: But we thought maybe, well, we thought maybe that the material was breaking down after it was coming out of the ground.
40:04: We thought maybe it was deteriorating very fast. And so we built a laboratory in the back of an 18 -wheeler trailer and actually took the laboratory to the field where we could get better samples.
40:16: And we did. We got better material. The cells looked better. The vessels looked better.
40:24: Found the protein collagen. I mean, it was wonderful stuff. Now let's take a look at what
40:31: Dr. Mary Schweitzer says about the dinosaur soft tissue. And in these cross -sections of fossilized bone, she saw something that she and everyone else had thought was impossible, round structures that looked like red blood cells, dinosaur blood cells.
40:49: Inside those channels where the blood vessels would have run were these little round red structures that were all kind of lined up like a train, and they were bright red and translucent.
41:01: Nobody else had seen anything like that before. The very idea of blood cells in a 70 -million -year -old bone was more than unconventional.
41:11: It was radical. Nobody was imagining that dinosaurs might have had preserved soft tissues.
41:18: Derek Briggs is curator of invertebrate paleontology at the Peabody Museum at Yale University.
41:25: So along comes Mary Schweitzer, and she's starting to look inside dinosaur bones and has made this startling discovery about the presence of red blood cells.
41:35: What was your initial reaction to that? Oh, I think the same reaction as everybody's, that this was totally improbable.
41:44: She perhaps misinterpreted the evidence or was exaggerating the potential for what she was seeing.
41:50: So skeptical at first? Oh, yeah, definitely. Why do you think it didn't occur to anybody? Because we have this clear understanding that part of all biological cycles involves decay.
42:00: I mean, nature is set up to break down that material and recycle it, so it's just improbable that those kinds of very delicate structures would survive, particularly for millions of years.
42:10: When you think about it, the laws of chemistry and biology and everything else that we know say that it should be gone.
42:16: It should be degraded completely. This is not possible. Do it again. We got another piece of bone, we put it in the solution, we waited 2 or 3 or 4 weeks, looked again, more blood vessels.
42:30: We must have repeated that with probably 17 or 18 different fragments of bone.
42:39: Amazing, isn't it? So no one expected to see that 20 years ago, but now it's in bone after bone after bone.
42:45: So we're going to skip through some of this stuff here and get into this. All right, am
42:51: I getting a little bit of feedback there? I'll try to talk softer. So if we look at fossil views in paleontology, the idea was that dinosaur fossils are just rocks, and their idea was that, well, that confirms our beliefs that fossils are millions of years old, and they would also say that this proves that evolution occurred millions of years ago and that biological processes are set up to decay over time and fossilization takes millions of years.
43:16: That was the thinking before they started running into this information. Then they discover things like red blood cells and collagen and tissue inside these bones, and about 2003, some findings were earlier, and now they say, well, my gosh, maybe the most reasonable conclusion will be, well, perhaps dinosaur bones really aren't millions of years old.
43:36: Maybe they're only thousands of years old, but instead what they're doing is saying, well, now we need to find a rescuing device, some way to say that these soft tissues can maintain in bones over millions of years, and they still haven't found it, and they never will because these things are set up to decay over time.
43:54: It gets even more obvious when we look at dinosaurs' mummies like this one found in Wyoming called
43:59: Leonardo. Here's a scan of Leonardo. They still found what was inside of its gullet or its stomach when it was dying.
44:06: They found ferns and berries and magnolia trees inside of its gullet still, and it still had ligaments attached.
44:15: You can see traces of muscle, all kinds of stuff in this creature. Now, after they first discovered dinosaur soft tissue about 20 years ago, the scientific field outside of creationism, we're talking about secular peer -reviewed scientists, now have 120 peer -reviewed science journals establishing and confirming soft tissues in dinosaur bones.
44:37: Dr. Thomas from ICR has compiled the list. Here's just what it looks like. These are all peer -reviewed science journals that now say 120 articles.
44:46: Yep, we're finding raw materials inside of these dinosaurs. And people like Mark Armitage are taking
44:53: Triceratops' horns now and demineralizing it. You can stretch and pull these materials.
44:59: There's no way that bone is 65 million years old that still has bio -organic material in it.
45:05: And we have things like red blood cells that are lined up like a train inside of a blood vein there.
45:12: And now even the director and founder of the Royal Tyrrell Museum in Canada, the largest dinosaur museum in the world, admits usually most of the original bone is still present in a dinosaur fossil.
45:24: That never would have happened 20 years ago. It's amazing. So now you can actually find in some museums, they say, well, although this thing's 69 million years old, it's still original bone and not rock.
45:36: So there's some admittances that are happening. But the real clincher that's undeniable, and there's no way out of this, there's no rescuing device for it, is collagen, which
45:45: Dr. Schweitzer has established at the molecular level to be organic to the creature she's finding it in.
45:52: So it's not intrusion, it's not contamination. They're finding collagen in dinosaur bones, which is the material that makes bones are made up of bone mineral and collagen, which makes them soft and flexible.
46:02: And they're finding collagen in dinosaur bones that are supposedly 75 million years old.
46:08: Well, unfortunate for the field of evolution, there's now been at least five different decay studies on collagen.
46:15: Some experts say, well, collagen has to decay after 10 ,000 to 30 ,000 years. There should be nothing left.
46:21: Some scientists are willing to stretch it out to 100 ,000 years and say, if you take a dinosaur bone, throw it in a pile of mud, come back 100 ,000 years later, there should be faint traces of collagen left.
46:32: But the last one, the Buckley study, came out and said, well, we can give it 300 ,000 years to maybe 900 ,000 years, but they won't give it more than a million years.
46:41: How in the world can collagen be in dinosaur bones, then, if collagen can only last, according to them, no more than a million years, but these dinosaur bones are supposedly over 60 million years old.
46:54: They can't have a rescuing device because the bones are not that old. The bones are just thousands of years old.
46:59: So what is the data fit better, dinosaur bones with these 16 different types of bio -organics only being 4 ,400 years old or being 65 million years old?
47:09: The data and the science clearly supports our perspectives on this. Now, again, if we need to go further, we can.
47:18: We can take a quick look into the evolution theory of dinosaurs. They have this idea that dinosaurs came from some type of an early ancestor over here.
47:27: Then they think it transitioned with all these nodes on the branches that start branching off and off and off.
47:33: That's their theory. This is from a dinosaur encyclopedia book that's secular. But did you know that the yellow lines are what they actually have in the fossils, and the gray lines are all theoretical?
47:46: They're all inferential. So if you take away the inference and all the guesses and you're left over with just the fossil evidence and you take away deep time, then you just have a whole bunch of dinosaurs that were created on the sixth day of creation.
48:00: The rest is all just theory. There's even leading paleontologists coming out now saying things like this.
48:06: From my reading of the fossil record of dinosaurs, no direct ancestors have been discovered for any dinosaur species.
48:14: Alas, my list of dinosaur ancestors is an empty one. Another site here from one of the leading experts of pterosaurs in the world says, well, we know very little about the evolution of pterosaurs.
48:26: The ancestors are not known. When pterosaurs first appear in the geologic record, they're completely perfect.
48:32: They were perfect pterosaurs. So there's no evolution of these creatures. When they find them, they're fully formed.
48:39: You can go to the Chicago Field Museum, like Dr. Carl Werner did, and see their supposed branching off here.
48:44: And he asked the experts, well, if you think that over here that these creatures turned into that creature turned into that creature, led over to this, give me some examples of your transitions.
48:55: And they couldn't do it. They couldn't come up with the common ancestor, and they can't come up with the branches here.
49:01: So we know that there's been 78 T. rexes discovered, but they don't know where the T. rex came from.
49:06: It just shows up in the fossil record fully formed. So without a common ancestor and without examples of the transitions, you can't have evolution.
49:15: Let's just take a quick look at one. So you've got the armored plant eaters, and then you've got the ceratopsians.
49:22: So they say that these evolved from a common ancestor, but look how different these creatures are. You've got a triceratops with two horns poking out the top of his head, and a chylosaurus has got a big ball, a weighted ball on its tail, and an armored top on its back.
49:37: These are two totally differently engineered creatures. They're definitely not on some type of an evolutionary branch, but they supposedly evolved from a common ancestor that they cannot produce.
49:48: No transitional forms like that. And so why, if we have 100 ,000 fossil dinosaurs that we can pull out and put in museums, and we have 3 ,000 full skeletons, shouldn't we have lots and lots of transitions?
50:02: Well, we don't. We don't have any transitions. If you would think you would have only 1 ,000 dinosaurs, maybe we could find some transition, but we have over 100 ,000 in display to museums, and they can't offer the true transitions.
50:15: The story even got worse revolution when now they're finding dinosaurs that were supposedly transitions, but they're finding these transitional dinosaurs before the things that they supposedly turned into, in layers that are even dated older than what they supposedly turned into.
50:31: So now they've got to go back and rewrite the textbooks on what transitions they supposedly have.
50:36: But the big one for me is that they say dinosaurs turned into birds or chickens. That's their current theory.
50:42: They didn't just go extinct, they turned into birds. Well, then why are dinosaurs found buried with birds?
50:49: Why are there 120 different bird species found buried with dinosaurs?
50:54: Things like this cormorants and seagulls and owls and even ducks, we find these creatures buried in dinosaur layers.
51:01: But who's ever been to a natural history museum and seen dinosaurs displayed with either mammals or with birds?
51:09: They don't do it, because they want the reptilian evolution idea to be carried forward. They'll never display a dinosaur with a bird, because they know that's going to debunk their idea that dinosaurs devolved into birds.
51:22: So now let's get to the conclusion of the talk. We'll take about the last 10 minutes here and just talk about the dragon overview.
51:29: So I'm going to skip the video here and just pull out a couple of quick quotes for us here. But the idea that there be dragons, so dragons are historical in every country in all of recorded history.
51:41: I like to regard myself as a scholar. I don't like shooting from the hip, but I put up this statement as a very bold proclamation.
51:50: I've got resource after resource after resource that can back that statement up. We're going to skip what they are today, but I can stand here before you and say dragons are historical in every major country in all of recorded history.
52:05: Why is that? Why do these different people groups around the world have myths and legends about these dragon -like creatures?
52:12: So here's one, this is from a quote from the Discovery Channel movie called Dragons. There is one creature remembered in the legends of almost every human culture that ever existed, a creature depicted with remarkable similarity by the
52:24: Chinese, the Aztecs, the Inuit, who live in a frozen land where there's no reptiles even found.
52:30: Even they have stories of this animal, cultures from different continents, people who had no contact with one another, yet all of them have stories describing the same mythical animal, a dragon.
52:42: And I can, again, bring up quote after quote after quote to substantiate dragons are a worldwide phenomenon.
52:49: So even things like this, this quote says, of all the creatures that ever lived, pterosaurs probably most closely resembled the dragons of the
52:57: European legend. And why is it that pterosaurs with a 30 -foot wingspan, they sure look like a flying dragon.
53:05: There's lots of different species of pterosaurs, but some of them certainly look like a dragon.
53:10: Here's Hogwartsia, Dragorhagons Hogwartsia. This is the model of the skull that we have here.
53:16: Well, what does it look like? It sure looks like a dragon. Here's a medieval rendition of what they think some dragons might have looked like in medieval times, and you compare that to this skull, sure looks like a dragon to me.
53:29: Here's what its full skeleton looked like, and there's a close -up on its skull, very much looks like a dragon.
53:35: Here's a painting that's almost 800 years old from the Chinese culture. Sure looks a little bit like Dracorex.
53:43: Very interesting. Why do they draw these dragons to look very much like dinosaurs? So next, let's just take the last couple minutes here, and we're going to cover the topic of some evidence that we think dinosaurs did walk along with man.
53:56: But first, I need to say this. Do we really even need any extra stories? I don't.
54:02: I hear all kinds of myths and legends about dragons and dinosaurs living around even today, or you got cryptozoologists that talk about this stuff or the medieval legends.
54:11: Personally, based upon just what we've reviewed so far, I don't need another scrap of evidence.
54:17: So I'm going to present to you guys today some optional extra evidence that we don't need to base our faith on, but I think it's very interesting, because we can't go back and verify these dragon myths and legends.
54:31: I don't want us to base our faith on them. I think all you need to believe in dragons and dinosaurs is
54:37: Job chapter 40. It's written in inspired Scripture. That's good enough for me. But let's take a quick tour of some of the myths, legends, drawings, historical accounts, and ancient military accounts of dragons from most every people group around the world.
54:51: And again, these are supplementary. Let's just take Britain alone. Let's just take a little look at the
54:57: United Kingdom. Do you know in that little tiny country has over 81 myths and legends of dragon tales that span hundreds and hundreds of years?
55:07: That one country alone, 81 different dragon myths and legends. But here's what
55:12: I think is going on, you guys. I think if you go back in history and look at dragon myths and carvings and paintings and legends and military accounts and dragon legends from all over the place, which there are,
55:24: I think a lot of those are fakes. And I also think a lot of them might have some truth to them.
55:32: But I think some of them have a basis in history. So let's just take a look at some of these guys.
55:38: Marco Polo, Alexander the Great, Cassius Deo, Anthony Curtis. These are all, for the most part, reliable historians that we use today in college textbooks to base a lot of our history on.
55:50: Well, what do all these guys have in common? They all talked about dragons. Dragons as real creatures living and walking with man.
55:59: Look at Marco Polo, for example. We based a lot of our initial maps and early world history on this guy.
56:07: Here's what some of his early maps look like. He actually did a pretty good job at charting things out about 600, 700 years ago.
56:14: Well, we trust him a lot because Christopher Columbus even relied on the travels of Marco Polo for guiding his sea route over to China.
56:23: The first European to visit China and the Asian record is in detail. He popularized the
56:28: Silk Road, which is over 4 ,000 miles long, and many early maps of Asia were based on his descriptions.
56:35: Well, what's less known about Marco Polo? Well, he talked about dragons. He talked about in this one specific place, even in a province named
56:43: Kyrgyzstan, he says, here are found snakes and huge serpents that are 10 paces in length with 10 spans and girths, so 50 feet long and 100 inches in girth.
56:53: At the fore part near their head, they have two short legs, each with three claws, as well as eyes that are larger than a loaf of bread and very glaring.
57:04: The jaws are wide enough to swallow a man, the teeth are large and sharp, and their whole appearance is so formidable that neither man nor any kind of animal can approach them without terror.
57:15: Others are smaller in size, being eight, six, or five paces long. Amazing description from Marco Polo.
57:22: Here's a cave drawing that's been carbon dated to 3 ,300 years old by Vance Nelson.
57:27: He's got the book out called Dire Dragons. He went in there and studied this place. I actually had the local archaeologist send me this photo.
57:36: What does that look like to you? It looks like a sauropod dinosaur surrounded by a group of hunters with spears drawn trying to kill it.
57:45: Where did they get the idea of what this sauropod dinosaur looked like? We know that this is 3 ,300 years old.
57:52: That's pretty good evidence. Again, supplementary evidence. What about this temple in Cambodia called the
57:58: Tophram Temple? About 900 years old. It's got all kinds of cave drawings and everything.
58:06: If you wander around this temple and go to Cambodia and check it out, you find this etching.
58:11: Look at that. That looks an awful lot like a stegosaurus. Very, very interesting.
58:17: How did they get the idea of how to draw a stegosaurus and put it into their temple like that?
58:23: Here's a Palestrinian mosaic, or a Nile mosaic. It's in the floor. It's a huge mosaic, about 6 meters wide by 4 meters high, of what they referred to in the mosaic as a crocodile leopard.
58:37: They've got people trying to surround this thing and kill it. It sure looks like a creature that supposedly went extinct over 100 million years ago.
58:46: Looks like this crocodile leopard, even when you zoom in on its face. It looks like what they're drawing here is a good representation of an animal that paleontologists would say is no longer around, but looks an awful lot like some form of a dragon.
59:01: The summary version is that the creationist perspective of all these different dinosaurs that came off the ark at the family level,
59:09: I think that theropods probably lasted the longest after the flood, probably dying out into medieval times, being hunted and killed and moved into extinction.
59:21: The pterosaur family, we have all kinds of myths and legends from people calling them the thunderbirds.
59:27: We have Herodotus talked about these creatures living and flying around in Egypt and everything. But again,
59:33: I think all of these should be viewed as supplementary. All we need is really God's word as your presupposition that these creatures existed and that they were designed and created along with man.
59:44: But if you take that and add to it dinosaur soft tissue and what we're finding today, I think it's a case closed for dinosaurs walking with man.