September 5, 2017 Show with Dan Phillips on “God Meets ‘Harvey’: One Houston Pastor’s Reflections on the Sovereignty of God Amid what FEMA Calls the Greatest Disaster in Texas History (& Hope From Psalm 29)”

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September 2017.

Many of you know that last week we had scheduled originally

To have Dan Phillips pastor of Copperfield Bible Church in Houston, Texas as our

guest that day and Unbeknownst to us a hurricane

Known as Hurricane Harvey swept through Texas and is known by

FEMA as the greatest disaster in Texas history.

Well Obviously our guest that day last Monday

Had to postpone his interview because of all the Things that were going on.

He did not even know what kind of dangers or hazards Awaited him in the aftermath of the

storm.

There was even a tornado That touched down not far from his home.

He didn't know What kind of damage he would receive from flooding and

so on so he postponed his interview and Providentially we are able to

interview Dan Phillips today.

Dan Phillips Received his Master of Divinity from Talbot Theological Seminary.

And he has taught seminary and college classes in New Testament studies Hebrew and Old

Testament theology.

He has preached.

He has preached and presented seminars on Proverbs and the sovereignty of God.

Has written biblical newspaper columns and tracks.

Has hosted a radio talk show and Has an ongoing conference and pulpit ministry.

He is most broadly known for his writing on the pyromaniacs blog with Phil Johnson and Frank Turk

and at his own blog blog a biblical Christianity, which

is bib chr Dot blog spot comm.

He is also as I said earlier the pastor of Copperfield Bible Church in Houston, Texas.

And today we're going to be discussing God meets Harvey one Houston pastors

reflections on the sovereignty of God amid what FEMA calls the greatest disaster in Texas history and

we're going to be gleaning hope from Psalm 29 as well.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Dan Phillips.

Thanks.

Well, that's obvious and that's what we're gonna be talking about.

That is nothing to do with our control.

Exactly, and it was quite understandable that you postponed last week.

Our folks I believe you gave on your last interview Our listeners

your testimony of conversion, so we don't need to do that again, but I would like.

For our listeners Who missed your first interview?

I would like them to be given a description of Copperfield Bible Church in

Houston, Texas.

Church that actually has been in ministry since 1934

That'd be a good place.

Before me was a graduate of Master's Seminary I'm a graduate of the temple

to the inerrancy of the word and preaching of the Word of God Gospel of Christ above all

else which we we lived in Sacramento

both my wife and I had good jobs and I had ministry through blogging and preaching and

conferences, but this church reached out and Still love it.

Love the people.

They're the dearest people and they've really shown themselves to be Heroes just really

wonderful thing.

I'm not sure what else to tell you briefly.

That's okay.

But I just thank God that you are here to actually have this interview and that from what I

understand.

As far as your own Home or your own family physically and the congregation

where you pastor I'm from what I understand.

There was no serious damage to you personally, but it was quite a tragedy nonetheless.

Well, that's the point.

You did not in any way prepare me for Houston weather.

There are just a number of things that are unique about Houston weather and one of the things is

its ability to do would seem like Sniper weather.

I mean literally when dry in his

front.

That's not unusual.

Days can just change Dramatically.

Never in California what I started a off warm and ended up Cold or

vice.

You can just have drastic changes.

Hope to be a meteorologist.

Yes, sure was.

FEMA

wouldn't

call it the

greatest

disaster in

Texas

history for nothing.

And it ended up being I read somewhere a one and thousand year.

By the way in studio with me is my co -host the reverend buzz Taylor.

Hello.

It's good to be with you and.

And it is quite astonishing the The details that you gave in a

recent sermon where you were Discussing this very

issue this very incident God in our hurricanes is I believe

what you titled the sermon.

That's right, but you said that this hurricane dumped 27

trillion gallons of water upon Texas and Louisiana and that

that amount of water would fill the Houston atrodome 85 ,000 times

would supply New York City with water for more than 50 years.

And we put the entire state of Utah knee -deep in water would cover Washington DC

with 21 ,000 and 79 inches of water and would cover the entire state of Rhode

Island in 931 inches of water.

That's pretty remarkable.

That's right.

That's right.

Wow.

That's something.

That's just a few miles from the church, but a few miles in the other direction in

our area we and

that was.

That was new.

This is all very much in that.

Yes, and Not to undermine the seriousness of the number of lives

that were lost there were 66 confirmed deaths one in Guyana and and

65 in the United States, but that seems Like a relatively small

number demonstrating God's actual mercy.

Yeah in the midst of this storm.

Because when you we hear about things that are called natural disasters in other parts of the

world you.

Sometimes hear of tens of thousands or more people losing their lives much

worse.

I gather a hurricane.

In 2001, I think

now I've been here for

just now in this case.

One of the things that happened is

jokes on the water.

They're taking their high -water vehicles and they were just rescue.

I wasn't and then of course a lot of our neighbors in Louisiana came out and what they call the Cajun Navy

and then other people from other states just coming here to help.

Yeah, obviously I'm a native New Yorker and I vividly remember after 9 -11

All of the people from all over the United States and other parts of the world who came to ground zero

to do all kinds of volunteer work not only digging through rubble, but also just ministering to people.

And.

Even on Long Island, New York.

Not long ago after a hurricane the Southern Baptist Convention had sent out workers to help people

with their storm damage in their homes and remove mold and things all kinds of

charitable and wonderful deeds of mercy.

Well, as far as this storm is concerned did you or anyone in your

congregation? Evacuate or did you need to evacuate?

What was the circumstance with that?

Yes, a number of families in our church were

We're just ministering.

Just sacrificially.

Had a

chance to how we were going to approach this.

I had people asking me through Twitter and through Facebook to

give before we'd even had such a such an idea put in place.

We do now.

By the way, would you mind if I mentioned that on our church page?

There's a way of donating.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

Definitely.

Give us all the information.

The church page is Copperfield Bible Church org.

You just write that out Copperfield Bible and you'd see a button on the

home page that says storm relief and by means of that button you

could you could give and storm donation pardon me and we're going to use

that on for the we've

got a Crisis pregnancy center that we support

that was in a straight line probably a mile or two from my home.

They were devastated going

to be total.

They're just going to be Declared a disaster and others are going to

attempt to rebuild and mold, you know, which is quite a right I say immediately

but the walls have to come out floors have to

come up.

There's just so much and it's not going to be gone.

They say for another week or more the waters just standing.

People who don't know the area the way I've seen it explained is it understand that our

elevation is something like 35 feet and

the way that levees and bayous

and In certain areas parks and whatnot.

So if there's a certain amount of water that can handle that but then beyond that we start

as an amazing flood of

water.

Yeah, well one of the primary reasons obviously we wanted you on today is to have

the reflections upon this disaster by a Pastor

such as yourself who is a firm believer in the doctrines of sovereign grace.

Someone who knows that God never takes a nap God never goes on vacation

he never You know loses his Attention or

focus in such a manner where he forgets what's going on in another area of the universe.

He's on the present and he's omnipotent and and unfortunately

We have both heard Over the years over the decades when things

like this happen and Sometimes even the secular media will ask

Ministers for especially if they are famous ones like Billy Graham or people like that.

But even more especially you'll have Christian media asking men in the

ministry and prominent Christian figures why did this happen where was God when this happened.

And Sometimes very often perhaps even more often than you will

receive or hear biblical answers to this.

You have people I believe Who are well -meaning but

definitely misinformed biblically no matter how famous they are or no matter how well -read they are.

In the Bible, I mean some of these men you would think have memorized great portions of the Bible.

But they seem to want desperately to defend the character of God.

So they will say well God had nothing to do with this.

Yeah, and you're thinking especially if you believe in the doctrines of grace.

He had nothing to do with this.

So what was he doing that?

What was he doing when it was happening?

They seem to think that that makes God a More kind and loving and compassionate God,

but yeah, how can sitting there with your arms folded?

Watching these things and doing nothing or turning the other way.

How on earth is that a more loving approach than God being actively involved in these things?

Exactly and I'm sure that in many of these cases I have no doubt that that they have the best

they do achieve is they do achieve a short -term comfort because we like to think that

somebody's done his best that.

Even if somebody fails if he's done everything he can when we feel a whole lot better than I mean.

I remember hearing a story about a a nanny who's the child she was caring for was

kidnapped.

Well, she felt like a wildcat.

But she wasn't successful because she was just thinks well of her and and rightly so for

doing everything.

She could she just failed but she meant to she did everything she could and I'm sure a lot of these people think that they're

doing God a favor and Giving people emotional comfort by saying well, you know, God's doing all he can but there's

forces of nature that he said in the motion.

That he's not going to interfere with or or this or that or the other thing and and the effect the short

-term Comfort when you think oh good.

Well, at least he you know, this wasn't his fault.

He tried his best.

They just he just can't do everything but then when you a look at Scripture and you be think

that through.

Well, how do you know he's gonna see he says what's going to happen in Christ's return

and the kingdom and the judgments and eternity.

How do you know he's going to be able to pull that history

through his fingers?

Oh, and why are you even why are you even going to pray the next time it happens?

And it's interesting it's interesting that even the secular media and all kinds of secular

Corporations when contracts are signed say it is

a Corporation who is

Setting up some major event where Thousands of people are expected to attend and people have invested

money in this and they will put the in the contract That this event will take place Barring

an act of God or something like that.

They will call these natural disasters so -called Acts of God even the secularists do.

That's right.

That's right.

But of course it falls far short of the biblical Picture of God who is like

someone 15 -3 says he's in the heavens everything.

He wishes he does.

Or Romans 11 36 said to him and be

glory forever.

He is that glorious being because he is Lord Creator and Sovereign over all.

And there's nothing that doesn't that happens up.

I forget who said it said once that the history of the Bible could be

characterized as a Series and the

greatest of those which is the greatest the greatest and most pivotal act of

God ever and Yet is the most

from faith and what we know by God's Word.

Well, you're the most disastrous.

In fact, I know that some people are going to be upset with me for saying this but I don't know how you

could reject Definite atonement otherwise known as particular

redemption or limited atonement without coming to the conclusion that the cross

was the biggest failure in the history of Humanity because of the fact that

according to the non -calvinist Christ's intention was to save every living soul

that ever has lived and ever will lived and even according to them most of these.

People will die in their sins and be damned.

Did not face.

That's right.

That's right.

Well, I want to read a Psalm 29 right now.

It's a brief Psalm and it is a Psalm that gave you great inspiration in the midst of this and in the

aftermath of this and it's the the bedrock of a sermon that you preached

recently.

God and our hurricanes which by the way, people can hear at sermon audio .com and

Its entirety.

You will probably hear a lot more Biblical content in that sermon, even though it's shorter than a

two -hour interview.

There's so much more going on in an interview that You will probably hear more about the Word of

God's What the Word of God has to say in this matter in and in pastor

Dan's Sermon, which I urge you to listen to after the program, but here's a psalm of

David 29.

Ascribe it to the Lord.

Oh sons of the mighty.

Ascribe to the Lord.

Glory and strength.

Ascribe to the Lord.

The glory.

Do his name.

Worship the Lord in holy array.

The voice of the Lord is upon the waters.

The glory of the God of glory.

Thunders and I'm hearing thundering out beside my window right now in the studio here.

This the Lord is over many waters.

The voice of the Lord is powerful.

The voice of the Lord is majestic.

The voice of the Lord breaks the cedars.

Yes, the Lord breaks in pieces the cedars of Lebanon.

He makes Lebanon skip like a calf and Syrian like

a young wild ox.

The voice of the Lord hues out flames of fire.

The voice of the Lord shakes the wilderness.

The Lord shakes the wilderness of Kadesh.

The voice of the Lord makes the deer to Calve and strips the forest bear.

And in his temple everything says glory.

The Lord sat as king at the flood.

Yes, the Lord sits as king forever.

The Lord will give strength to his people.

The Lord will bless his people with peace.

Amen and amen.

And just to emphasize the last

two lines of this psalm the Lord will give strength to his people.

The Lord will bless his people with peace.

Don't you think that one thing?

Sometimes Christians well -meaning Christians often do and perhaps I do it more than I care to

Admit or more than I realize we give these Promises

to non -believers and attempts to comfort them.

And I believe that there's an appropriate way to do that if they repent and come to Christ they can receive these promises but sometimes we

will just Attempt to comfort even the non -believer with these things and

even things such as Romans 8 28 That all things work together for the good.

And we'll leave out the the second part.

For those who love God are and are the cold according to his purpose.

These these are not just promises that are Blanket statements to all of humanity that all men and

women and children can grasp on to as promises for themselves.

Yes, well we have a summary of basically the The things

that you addressed in your sermon that we can I think attribute to

this psalm and We I think we should go over some of these things during the

course of the next 90 minutes of the program.

The There are things that in regard to facing a

crisis or tragedy like this.

You have said there are things we need to know there are things

that we need to have and there are things we need to do and

Perhaps we're going to go to our break right now.

Or perhaps we will go to our break right now.

I should say and when we come back we will begin with some of your Your

things that you believe the Bible teaches that we need to know to begin with.

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If you just tuned in to iron sharpens iron radio our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes.

To go is Dan Phillips pastor of Copperfield Bible Church in Houston, Texas.

He's also a published author and Today we are Discussing in the wake of

Hurricane Harvey that just recently Happened several days ago.

We're discussing God meets Harvey one Houston pastors reflections on the sovereignty of God amid what

FEMA calls the greatest disaster in Texas history and Hope from Psalm 29.

If you'd like to join us on the air our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

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But Pastor Dan Phillips, we do have some listeners waiting to have their questions asked and

answered.

But before we go to them, I at least want to Get as much as we can

accomplish done During the next segment here

on what we need to know when we're in the midst of a tragedy a crisis whether it is a

hurricane an earthquake a tornado a Fire a bout with

cancer a divorce.

The loss of a loved one whatever the case is that is putting you through a

Trial a trial that perhaps before it began you never thought in a million years.

You'd be able to manage living through a trial that.

Many in our audience may be going through trials that are their own hurricanes in their lives.

And the first thing that you have listed From what you have gleaned from a psalm

29 is that there are things we need to know and the first of those things is that God

alone is Lord if you could explain.

I'd be happy to yes I'm 29 was my my best friend

my go -to script.

You don't really know

if your roof has leaks until you get a good

rainstorm and then suddenly you find out.

Yep I've got a couple of weeks.

You can have an absolutely orthodox profession and.

You don't know how sound your grasp of it is.

Your personal grasp and your confect in your affections and your heart until you're tested

and.

The advent of the storm the threat to my family.

Just really put me back to the scripture put me back to looking to this song.

Again, and again the person into an email that I sent to the congregation.

And then I also made a sermon out of it and the email in

the sermon it calls on us

heavenly beings.

He's speaking presumably to the angelic or

splendor of holy.

Magnificent thunderstorm that he himself saw forming out at sea.

Hitting the land at the north coming down through the south leaving a flood starts off.

He starts off I

think

probably

one

of the

most

central

thing

the

most central thing about how to approach.

Calamity or really any act of God.

Everything depends on how we approach.

We're not.

Yeah, and you addressed in your sermon the Unfathomable power of

God and this hurricane as record -breaking as it was and

As deadly as it was and as horrific as it was this was not an exertion of

energy on the part of God that Made him break a sweat.

Obviously, I'm using anthropomorphism morphisms there.

But if you want to use another anthropomorphism There would have been more wind just from him batting

his eyelashes.

This was this was really nothing in compared to the power of God.

So if you could explain a little bit more about God and his

Omnipotency.

You said well, why would God make all those planets and then all those stars if there wasn't.

My some thinking is if God has limited resources

Them in a certain way or there's not enough payback.

You might simply do it because it's

the

life and

white incomes and

not one

needle.

Okay.

Are they defective or something?

And so you run back to the moment

of creation when

God spoke.

I have

left.

I got $99

but if I have

Infinite

dollar

aging wild isn't one of his

great is

that kennel?

Compared to looking in the book of Revelation and the prophets the Old Testament.

What's going to happen when God comes.

Strong men are going to be trying to hide under rocks.

And that is all the more reason to pray with confidence when you're going through some kind of a

crisis or tragedy Is because there is nothing that is too great

for God to accomplish if it is according to his will he there is no

hurricane or flood or tornado or

earthquake or fire or whatever catastrophe you can imagine or

Boiling it down again to the personal.

There's no bout with cancer.

There's no divorce.

There's no death of a loved one.

There's no any Personal trial or disaster loss of a job

that God cannot rescue you from the event may still occur

doesn't mean that if we pray as fervently as we can that the Lord

is promised that that earthquake is going to stop with an instant within an instant of us praying or

anything like that or Whatever that trial is, but he will deliver us From

being overwhelmed and crippled by these events, isn't that true?

No, I'm so glad you brought

that up and that's

a very the wonderful

thing any person come

to this and he

can call him

father.

Call him father because he's been given that John 1 12 all we received

into them.

He gave in a new age type.

But when they just don't know me they use

my father because

that's the way our Lord Jesus Christ

through Jesus Christ We receive the adoption.

We're adopted into the

family of God

and I

just used a phrase that.

Immediately after it came out of my mouth.

I Thought that I'd better further explain.

I said that God rescues us from being crippled now there are many people who may be physically

crippled after a hurricane or a Catastrophe like this they may even die.

But what I meant, of course in the context of what I was saying is that we will be rescued for being spiritually

crippled and the word of faith movement would immediately rush and jump on

something like what I said and and take it to heart to mean that

If your faith is strong enough, you will not even be physically crippled during something like this.

That is not at all a promise of God, is it?

No, we're not when I embrace God's

will and conform ourselves to his will.

God is Lord.

This is the whole thing We're talking about.

Saying God is Lord is not a clever way of working me back to being Lord again.

And having a way that

I can responding.

However, it calls me to by obedience by return preaching

this and that is

to send this wise.

By design if

he wanted so he

could have

so obviously

it's God and

he sought him again.

And he saw them again.

Specific is a mercy that

God did not.

And the reverend buzz

Taylor my co -host has something to say.

Well, yeah, I find myself.

Talking with us.

All too often.

I'm in the situation that Job was in where I have to admit that I spoke too soon and I put

my hands over my mouth.

Oh, yes.

And of course, you've never really experienced what Job has been through.

No, thank God for that.

But.

The.

I thought some of the things were just as bad when it was happening.

Yeah, I.

Cry when the pizza delivery comes late.

But living in an area like this right now.

It really it makes I imagine.

What you're going through

through a whole

different looking

around

me and people just

living

miles away.

Yeah,

and.

Another way that We have to remember is it not true that

God alone is wise is It has a lot to do with what we were saying before

In regard to those who rush to attempt to defend God in a very

unbiblical way.

By claiming that he has nothing to do with a certain tragedy or

Some occurrence that is bringing about calamity and God in his

wisdom.

He knows what is best and Even if we on this side of heaven will never

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I Mean very often he does reveal his purposes to us later on when we go through a trial.

But he doesn't always this side of heaven reveal these things.

We have to keep that in mind no matter how horrified or dismayed or distressed.

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We have to always remember that he alone is wise as Much as we may look upon

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folks that make us just really Be

taken aback in awe.

At their their brilliance, but but only one is omniscient.

Only one is wise as God is wise and he knows What he is doing when things

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In fact, we got to go to a break right now if you could pick up right where you're left off there I would appreciate it connecting those dots

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Phillips of Copperfield Bible Church in Houston, Texas.

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FEMA calls?

The greatest disaster in Texas history and hope from Psalm 29 and before the break

pastor Dan We were connecting some dots in regard to the wisdom of God that only God is wise.

Yeah.

And

the next.

Thing that we need to know is that God alone is good and it reminded me of

a sermon that My my very first pastor is a born -again believer Mike a

dash who I just mentioned before of solid ground Christian books.

He preached a sermon that was under the title God is good

always good and only good to his people.

And if you could exploit if you could explain that because your average person Who has a

very diminished understanding of either good or evil?

They will say well, yeah, I know that God is really really good.

But come on He's not the only one who's good.

My mother is is really wonderful and I know a lot of people who are good.

In fact, I'm pretty good myself.

I've never murdered anybody or stolen any from anybody.

I've never committed adultery and I pay my taxes and I work hard nine -to -five and I'm I think I'm a pretty

good guy.

We'll explain what you mean by that.

God alone is good.

Well, it's all in the end.

Then why do

you know

I guess

maybe from God is

thinking to

see

that

in

the psalm is

just

and

Promising to be

their

God with

no

every time we

likewise

wishes a relationship.

We're

his

people

and he

commits

himself

at it

that

way

even though

it

makes

all

the

sense

in the

world

to

our

natural Reason we would miss absolutely

was actually going on.

Now you may have even heard this already in the midst or in the aftermath of this storm

but the thing that Christians often hear That sometimes even stops us in our

tracks and get us tongue -tied is.

When someone says well, it's easy for you to say I mean you were not one of the

families.

You are not among the families that lost loved ones in the aftermath of

Hurricane Hank or Harvey.

I'm sorry you you were not.

You didn't lose your home or your church.

You didn't lose loved ones.

You did not become blind or deaf or Disabled or you weren't

physically scarred by this.

You know, who are you to talk?

It's easy for you to say how do you respond?

To the it's easy for you to say remark.

Especially when it comes from someone that may have lost precious loved ones

or have may have experienced overwhelming disfigurement physically

or some kind of Loss traumatic dramatic loss

that that that you and I were spared from.

And

yet still trying to say

yeah, look at what you're saying.

The whole thing about is not

something that is bubbling up from inside of me.

Then if I were to instead

what I

can also say, I

I just I express

unconditional

suffering and I don't make any pretenses of Trying to

compare

hurts.

We've

always

had to

go in

there.

Yes.

We

have a question from Joe in.

Slovenia who says dear brother Chris.

Thanks for having pastor Phillips address the obvious questions that many will ask about Harvey.

Is this hurricane an act of God's judgment if so?

How so and in what sense.

If not, why not and in what sense.

Our natural disasters quote -quote? simply the result of the fall and the fact

that we live in a fallen world generally affected by sin and.

What types of purposes and intents might God have in allowing or intentionally bringing such

Devastation in the lives of those who are living through it.

Many thousands in southeast Texas will be wrestling with these and similar questions.

Please address them for their sake.

Thank you so much for the comfort counsel and pastoral care of your ministry in these trying times.

Well, let me start with the first of the series of questions that Joe in Slovenia asked.

Is this.

Well, we'll get to as many as we can.

Is the hurricane an act of God's judgment.

Well, and that will take

it's just by saying

first of all, of

course

everything in decree of God Please don't get past me.

They aren't just mad.

He's not a deist God.

He doesn't just start creation going and then go off and watch TV or something.

So he is Lord and sovereign overall.

Why.

Was our house were not other other

shut in their homes for several days surrounded

by water.

But

why

what

to them.

That's way over my for

those

thing God brings

into our

life is by leading us to

be challenged and

they

find and

they're

reminded

that

they

don't

really

finally

control.

It's

slip

out of

their grasp get

a

warning

shot and to a man.

They all preferred the warning shot.

Yeah.

Like an army.

And then he

talks

about an army.

And that in

fact we

have to.

We have to go

to our final break right now and we'll pick up where you left off.

Because I want you reminded me immediately of Luke 13 versus

1 through 5 and then we can perhaps pick up on that when we return.

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about God admits the most horrific or the greatest

disaster in Texas history according to FEMA and We are talking

about the sovereign God in the midst of these things.

It has also Been called the theodicy defense of the goodness of God in the midst

of pain suffering and evil in the world and when usually a

disaster of this kind comes about even if it's a so -called

natural disaster evil often rises up when people loot and rob and murder and all kinds

of things people become Very often the worst they can be and others

rise up to the occasion by God's mercy and Come to the aid and rescue of other fellow

humans in all kinds of heroic ways, but before the break I

Wanted to bring up Luke 13 1 through 5 where we read now there were

now there were some present at the time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate

had mixed with their sacrifices Jesus answered do you think that these Galileans were

worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way.

I tell you no, but unless you repent you too will all perish or those

18 who died when the Tower of Insulam fell on them.

Do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem?

I tell you no, but unless you repent you too will all perish.

This sounds a lot like what you were saying earlier a warning shot rather than being shot.

Well,

I'm

sorry.

John 9

They say rabbi who sinned this manners.

Parents He

was

and obviously

Hurricane Harvey

did not.

So you

got

a warning

shot

opportunity

for

God's

glory

church.

My wife

reaching

out and many people

have reached

out to it.

See that that's that's.

I'm not

Believer if

I need help and let my

church know.

So the coach is a lot more existentially.

He wasn't interested in just having a Lamp faculty lounge

team to repent.

And Joe says our natural disaster

is.

Simply the result of the fall and the fact that we live in a fallen world generally affected by sin.

Well, I Would think that you would believe that that is a part of it but

the question almost implies a nearly a deist understanding of things that

God is just like watching a world that he wound up like a clock and Now it's just

taking course according to the curse The for according to the fall of

Adam and he's just kind of sitting there watching the nest the natural intrinsic

Things that would naturally occur because of the curse and he's not really

personally involved in.

Yeah

And.

The last question Joe has what is.

What types of purposes and intents might God have in allowing or intentionally bringing such?

Devastation in the lives of those who are living through it.

Well, you've already mentioned.

One way is that to warn people of the wrath to come.

But what else might you add to that.

Well

Thank You Joe.

In

Slovenia

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listening to

on a

sharpened

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keep spreading the word about the program in Slovenia and beyond.

We have RJ in White Plains, New York who wants to know Isn't

it true that many of?

We who are Christians sometimes take an approach that is unbiblical where we claim to have even

if unconsciously The mind of God and knowing why he has brought disaster to a

particular place.

We might say that is because there is such a large population of homosexuals there or this sin

or that sin.

Isn't that dangerous and after all aren't Christians often? severely injured

and Affected by these events that are allegedly because of the homosexuals in the area.

I mean it that is a true true statement.

Sometimes people will make these.

These predictions were actually out and outright declarations that that's why God did something in a

certain place and yet.

You might have a pastor say excuse me.

My church was wiped out and we're honoring God.

Amen.

Yeah, you just got.

Well you also in your your.

The gleanings that you took from not only this experience but from Psalm 29.

You have come to things that we need to have and that is

God's Word and God's Son.

If you could explain and we will have to take an abbreviated form of your explanation because we only Have about

10 minutes left.

Amen, I'd be happy to do my best.

So we need to have God's Word 29 7 times and

he is hearing

God loves me that having a bad meal mean that he doesn't like me.

He's an unaided

of our

lives

or

remind

him

of

that

great.

So yeah, I said to my

Lord so

that my right hand and

waiting for the

day and you have said

in your.

Excellent sermon that What we What we need

to do is Number one don't ask why me and also

don't ask why not me.

Right and then that kind of goes

back to

this.

I'm not a believer.

He does everything he does to give me an opportunity and a reason.

Then again.

It's Peter didn't like what he said about how he's going.

Okay, what about him?

And Jesus

said

the

promises

of

and the

grace to

be.

We have time for

one

more question.

BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania.

Says you said that it's futile to ask.

Why me.

But couldn't that be a valuable question to ask so that someone could weed out?

The sin that is in their lives.

For instance if a person is stricken from some kind of a venereal disease.

That would draw them to the conclusion I need to be sexually pure.

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Do you follow what the listener is asking?

Yes,

and

because.

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Well, Dan, it has been such a joy to interview you again.

I'm so thankful to God that you were spared from Great harm and tragedy during the midst of this

this hurricane and then your congregation was spared.

I look forward to having you back on the program.

In fact, if you could hold on I'd like to schedule another interview with you.

And I want to thank everybody who listened especially those who wrote in and I want you all to always remember The rest of your

lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.

We look forward to hearing from you and your questions for our guests tomorrow on iron sharpens iron radio.