September 5, 2017 Show with Dan Phillips on “God Meets ‘Harvey’: One Houston Pastor’s Reflections on the Sovereignty of God Amid what FEMA Calls the Greatest Disaster in Texas History (& Hope From Psalm 29)”

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Many of you know that last week we had scheduled originally To have Dan Phillips pastor of Copperfield Bible Church in Houston, Texas as our guest that day and Unbeknownst to us a hurricane Known as Hurricane Harvey swept through Texas and is known by FEMA as the greatest disaster in Texas history.

Well Obviously our guest that day last Monday Had to postpone his interview because of all the Things that were going on. He did not even know what kind of dangers or hazards Awaited him in the aftermath of the storm.

There was even a tornado That touched down not far from his home. He didn't know What kind of damage he would receive from flooding and so on so he postponed his interview and Providentially we are able to interview Dan Phillips today.

Dan Phillips Received his Master of Divinity from Talbot Theological Seminary. And he has taught seminary and college classes in New Testament studies Hebrew and Old Testament theology. He has preached.

He has preached and presented seminars on Proverbs and the sovereignty of God. Has written biblical newspaper columns and tracks. Has hosted a radio talk show and Has an ongoing conference and pulpit ministry.

He is most broadly known for his writing on the pyromaniacs blog with Phil Johnson and Frank Turk and at his own blog blog a biblical Christianity, which is bib chr Dot blog spot comm. He is also as I said earlier the pastor of Copperfield Bible Church in Houston, Texas.

And today we're going to be discussing God meets Harvey one Houston pastors reflections on the sovereignty of God amid what FEMA calls the greatest disaster in Texas history and we're going to be gleaning hope from Psalm 29 as well.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Dan Phillips.

Thanks.

Well, that's obvious and that's what we're gonna be talking about. That is nothing to do with our control. Exactly, and it was quite understandable that you postponed last week. Our folks I believe you gave on your last interview Our listeners your testimony of conversion, so we don't need to do that again, but I would like.

For our listeners Who missed your first interview? I would like them to be given a description of Copperfield Bible Church in Houston, Texas.

Church that actually has been in ministry since 1934 That'd be a good place. Before me was a graduate of Master's Seminary I'm a graduate of the temple to the inerrancy of the word and preaching of the Word of God Gospel of Christ above all else which we we lived in Sacramento both my wife and I had good jobs and I had ministry through blogging and preaching and conferences, but this church reached out and Still love it.

Love the people. They're the dearest people and they've really shown themselves to be Heroes just really wonderful thing. I'm not sure what else to tell you briefly. That's okay.

But I just thank God that you are here to actually have this interview and that from what I understand. As far as your own Home or your own family physically and the congregation where you pastor I'm from what I understand.

There was no serious damage to you personally, but it was quite a tragedy nonetheless.

Well, that's the point. You did not in any way prepare me for Houston weather. There are just a number of things that are unique about Houston weather and one of the things is its ability to do would seem like Sniper weather.

I mean literally when dry in his front. That's not unusual. Days can just change Dramatically. Never in California what I started a off warm and ended up Cold or vice. You can just have drastic changes.

Hope to be a meteorologist. Yes, sure was. FEMA wouldn't call it the greatest disaster in Texas history for nothing. And it ended up being I read somewhere a one and thousand year.

By the way in studio with me is my co-host the reverend buzz Taylor. Hello.

It's good to be with you and.

And it is quite astonishing the The details that you gave in a recent sermon where you were Discussing this very issue this very incident God in our hurricanes is I believe what you titled the sermon.

That's right, but you said that this hurricane dumped 27 trillion gallons of water upon Texas and Louisiana and that that amount of water would fill the Houston atrodome 85 ,000 times would supply New York City with water for more than 50 years.

And we put the entire state of Utah knee-deep in water would cover Washington DC with 21 ,000 and 79 inches of water and would cover the entire state of Rhode Island in 931 inches of water. That's pretty remarkable.

That's right. That's right.

Wow.

That's something.

That's just a few miles from the church, but a few miles in the other direction in our area we and that was. That was new. This is all very much in that.

Yes, and Not to undermine the seriousness of the number of lives that were lost there were 66 confirmed deaths one in Guyana and and 65 in the United States, but that seems Like a relatively small number demonstrating God's actual mercy.

Yeah in the midst of this storm. Because when you we hear about things that are called natural disasters in other parts of the world you.

Sometimes hear of tens of thousands or more people losing their lives much worse. I gather a hurricane. In 2001, I think now I've been here for just now in this case. One of the things that happened is jokes on the water.

They're taking their high-water vehicles and they were just rescue. I wasn't and then of course a lot of our neighbors in Louisiana came out and what they call the Cajun Navy and then other people from other states just coming here to help.

Yeah, obviously I'm a native New Yorker and I vividly remember after 9 -11 All of the people from all over the United States and other parts of the world who came to ground zero to do all kinds of volunteer work not only digging through rubble, but also just ministering to people.

And. Even on Long Island, New York. Not long ago after a hurricane the Southern Baptist Convention had sent out workers to help people with their storm damage in their homes and remove mold and things all kinds of charitable and wonderful deeds of mercy.

Well, as far as this storm is concerned did you or anyone in your congregation? Evacuate or did you need to evacuate? What was the circumstance with that?

Yes, a number of families in our church were We're just ministering. Just sacrificially. Had a chance to how we were going to approach this. I had people asking me through Twitter and through Facebook to give before we'd even had such a such an idea put in place.

We do now. By the way, would you mind if I mentioned that on our church page? There's a way of donating.

Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. Give us all the information.

The church page is Copperfield Bible Church org. You just write that out Copperfield Bible and you'd see a button on the home page that says storm relief and by means of that button you could you could give and storm donation pardon me and we're going to use that on for the we've got a Crisis pregnancy center that we support that was in a straight line probably a mile or two from my home.

They were devastated going to be total. They're just going to be Declared a disaster and others are going to attempt to rebuild and mold, you know, which is quite a right I say immediately but the walls have to come out floors have to come up.

There's just so much and it's not going to be gone. They say for another week or more the waters just standing. People who don't know the area the way I've seen it explained is it understand that our elevation is something like 35 feet and the way that levees and bayous and In certain areas parks and whatnot.

So if there's a certain amount of water that can handle that but then beyond that we start as an amazing flood of water.

Yeah, well one of the primary reasons obviously we wanted you on today is to have the reflections upon this disaster by a Pastor such as yourself who is a firm believer in the doctrines of sovereign grace.

Someone who knows that God never takes a nap God never goes on vacation he never You know loses his Attention or focus in such a manner where he forgets what's going on in another area of the universe.

He's on the present and he's omnipotent and and unfortunately We have both heard Over the years over the decades when things like this happen and Sometimes even the secular media will ask Ministers for especially if they are famous ones like Billy Graham or people like that.

But even more especially you'll have Christian media asking men in the ministry and prominent Christian figures why did this happen where was God when this happened. And Sometimes very often perhaps even more often than you will receive or hear biblical answers to this.

You have people I believe Who are well-meaning but definitely misinformed biblically no matter how famous they are or no matter how well-read they are. In the Bible, I mean some of these men you would think have memorized great portions of the Bible.

But they seem to want desperately to defend the character of God. So they will say well God had nothing to do with this. Yeah, and you're thinking especially if you believe in the doctrines of grace. He had nothing to do with this.

So what was he doing that? What was he doing when it was happening? They seem to think that that makes God a More kind and loving and compassionate God, but yeah, how can sitting there with your arms folded?

Watching these things and doing nothing or turning the other way. How on earth is that a more loving approach than God being actively involved in these things?

Exactly and I'm sure that in many of these cases I have no doubt that that they have the best they do achieve is they do achieve a short-term comfort because we like to think that somebody's done his best that.

Even if somebody fails if he's done everything he can when we feel a whole lot better than I mean. I remember hearing a story about a a nanny who's the child she was caring for was kidnapped. Well, she felt like a wildcat.

But she wasn't successful because she was just thinks well of her and and rightly so for doing everything. She could she just failed but she meant to she did everything she could and I'm sure a lot of these people think that they're doing God a favor and Giving people emotional comfort by saying well, you know, God's doing all he can but there's forces of nature that he said in the motion.

That he's not going to interfere with or or this or that or the other thing and and the effect the short-term Comfort when you think oh good. Well, at least he you know, this wasn't his fault. He tried his best.

They just he just can't do everything but then when you a look at Scripture and you be think that through. Well, how do you know he's gonna see he says what's going to happen in Christ's return and the kingdom and the judgments and eternity.

How do you know he's going to be able to pull that history through his fingers?

Oh, and why are you even why are you even going to pray the next time it happens? And it's interesting it's interesting that even the secular media and all kinds of secular Corporations when contracts are signed say it is a Corporation who is Setting up some major event where Thousands of people are expected to attend and people have invested money in this and they will put the in the contract That this event will take place Barring an act of God or something like that.

They will call these natural disasters so-called Acts of God even the secularists do.

That's right. That's right. But of course it falls far short of the biblical Picture of God who is like someone 15 -3 says he's in the heavens everything. He wishes he does. Or Romans 11 36 said to him and be glory forever.

He is that glorious being because he is Lord Creator and Sovereign over all. And there's nothing that doesn't that happens up. I forget who said it said once that the history of the Bible could be characterized as a Series and the greatest of those which is the greatest the greatest and most pivotal act of God ever and Yet is the most from faith and what we know by God's Word.

Well, you're the most disastrous.

In fact, I know that some people are going to be upset with me for saying this but I don't know how you could reject Definite atonement otherwise known as particular redemption or limited atonement without coming to the conclusion that the cross was the biggest failure in the history of Humanity because of the fact that according to the non-calvinist Christ's intention was to save every living soul that ever has lived and ever will lived and even according to them most of these.

People will die in their sins and be damned. Did not face. That's right.

That's right. Well, I want to read a Psalm 29 right now. It's a brief Psalm and it is a Psalm that gave you great inspiration in the midst of this and in the aftermath of this and it's the the bedrock of a sermon that you preached recently.

God and our hurricanes which by the way, people can hear at sermon audio .com and Its entirety. You will probably hear a lot more Biblical content in that sermon, even though it's shorter than a two-hour interview.

There's so much more going on in an interview that You will probably hear more about the Word of God's What the Word of God has to say in this matter in and in pastor Dan's Sermon, which I urge you to listen to after the program, but here's a psalm of David 29.

Ascribe it to the Lord. Oh sons of the mighty. Ascribe to the Lord. Glory and strength. Ascribe to the Lord. The glory. Do his name. Worship the Lord in holy array. The voice of the Lord is upon the waters.

The glory of the God of glory. Thunders and I'm hearing thundering out beside my window right now in the studio here. This the Lord is over many waters. The voice of the Lord is powerful. The voice of the Lord is majestic.

The voice of the Lord breaks the cedars. Yes, the Lord breaks in pieces the cedars of Lebanon. He makes Lebanon skip like a calf and Syrian like a young wild ox. The voice of the Lord hues out flames of fire.

The voice of the Lord shakes the wilderness. The Lord shakes the wilderness of Kadesh. The voice of the Lord makes the deer to Calve and strips the forest bear. And in his temple everything says glory.

The Lord sat as king at the flood. Yes, the Lord sits as king forever. The Lord will give strength to his people. The Lord will bless his people with peace. Amen and amen. And just to emphasize the last two lines of this psalm the Lord will give strength to his people.

The Lord will bless his people with peace. Don't you think that one thing? Sometimes Christians well-meaning Christians often do and perhaps I do it more than I care to Admit or more than I realize we give these Promises to non-believers and attempts to comfort them.

And I believe that there's an appropriate way to do that if they repent and come to Christ they can receive these promises but sometimes we will just Attempt to comfort even the non-believer with these things and even things such as Romans 8 28 That all things work together for the good.

And we'll leave out the the second part. For those who love God are and are the cold according to his purpose. These these are not just promises that are Blanket statements to all of humanity that all men and women and children can grasp on to as promises for themselves.

Yes, well we have a summary of basically the The things that you addressed in your sermon that we can I think attribute to this psalm and We I think we should go over some of these things during the course of the next 90 minutes of the program.

The There are things that in regard to facing a crisis or tragedy like this. You have said there are things we need to know there are things that we need to have and there are things we need to do and Perhaps we're going to go to our break right now.

Or perhaps we will go to our break right now. I should say and when we come back we will begin with some of your Your things that you believe the Bible teaches that we need to know to begin with. And hopefully we'll be able to get through as much of this content in a summary form.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnson. If you just tuned in to iron sharpens iron radio our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes. To go is Dan Phillips pastor of Copperfield Bible Church in Houston, Texas.

He's also a published author and Today we are Discussing in the wake of Hurricane Harvey that just recently Happened several days ago. We're discussing God meets Harvey one Houston pastors reflections on the sovereignty of God amid what FEMA calls the greatest disaster in Texas history and Hope from Psalm 29.

If you'd like to join us on the air our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com, but before we do that, we just heard my co-host the reverend buzz Taylor. He was the one that voice in the ad that we heard from Cumberland Valley Bible book service CV BBS .com.

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But Pastor Dan Phillips, we do have some listeners waiting to have their questions asked and answered. But before we go to them, I at least want to Get as much as we can accomplish done During the next segment here on what we need to know when we're in the midst of a tragedy a crisis whether it is a hurricane an earthquake a tornado a Fire a bout with cancer a divorce.

The loss of a loved one whatever the case is that is putting you through a Trial a trial that perhaps before it began you never thought in a million years. You'd be able to manage living through a trial that.

Many in our audience may be going through trials that are their own hurricanes in their lives. And the first thing that you have listed From what you have gleaned from a psalm 29 is that there are things we need to know and the first of those things is that God alone is Lord if you could explain.

I'd be happy to yes I'm 29 was my my best friend my go-to script. You don't really know if your roof has leaks until you get a good rainstorm and then suddenly you find out. Yep I've got a couple of weeks.

You can have an absolutely orthodox profession and. You don't know how sound your grasp of it is. Your personal grasp and your confect in your affections and your heart until you're tested and. The advent of the storm the threat to my family.

Just really put me back to the scripture put me back to looking to this song. Again, and again the person into an email that I sent to the congregation. And then I also made a sermon out of it and the email in the sermon it calls on us heavenly beings.

He's speaking presumably to the angelic or splendor of holy. Magnificent thunderstorm that he himself saw forming out at sea. Hitting the land at the north coming down through the south leaving a flood starts off.

He starts off I think probably one of the most central thing the most central thing about how to approach. Calamity or really any act of God. Everything depends on how we approach. We're not.

Yeah, and you addressed in your sermon the Unfathomable power of God and this hurricane as record-breaking as it was and As deadly as it was and as horrific as it was this was not an exertion of energy on the part of God that Made him break a sweat.

Obviously, I'm using anthropomorphism morphisms there. But if you want to use another anthropomorphism There would have been more wind just from him batting his eyelashes. This was this was really nothing in compared to the power of God.

So if you could explain a little bit more about God and his Omnipotency.

You said well, why would God make all those planets and then all those stars if there wasn't. My some thinking is if God has limited resources Them in a certain way or there's not enough payback. You might simply do it because it's the life and white incomes and not one needle.

Okay. Are they defective or something? And so you run back to the moment of creation when God spoke. I have left. I got $99 but if I have Infinite dollar aging wild isn't one of his great is that kennel?

Compared to looking in the book of Revelation and the prophets the Old Testament. What's going to happen when God comes. Strong men are going to be trying to hide under rocks.

And that is all the more reason to pray with confidence when you're going through some kind of a crisis or tragedy Is because there is nothing that is too great for God to accomplish if it is according to his will he there is no hurricane or flood or tornado or earthquake or fire or whatever catastrophe you can imagine or Boiling it down again to the personal.

There's no bout with cancer. There's no divorce. There's no death of a loved one. There's no any Personal trial or disaster loss of a job that God cannot rescue you from the event may still occur doesn't mean that if we pray as fervently as we can that the Lord is promised that that earthquake is going to stop with an instant within an instant of us praying or anything like that or Whatever that trial is, but he will deliver us From being overwhelmed and crippled by these events, isn't that true?

No, I'm so glad you brought that up and that's a very the wonderful thing any person come to this and he can call him father. Call him father because he's been given that John 1 12 all we received into them.

He gave in a new age type. But when they just don't know me they use my father because that's the way our Lord Jesus Christ through Jesus Christ We receive the adoption. We're adopted into the family of God and I just used a phrase that.

Immediately after it came out of my mouth. I Thought that I'd better further explain. I said that God rescues us from being crippled now there are many people who may be physically crippled after a hurricane or a Catastrophe like this they may even die.

But what I meant, of course in the context of what I was saying is that we will be rescued for being spiritually crippled and the word of faith movement would immediately rush and jump on something like what I said and and take it to heart to mean that If your faith is strong enough, you will not even be physically crippled during something like this.

That is not at all a promise of God, is it?

No, we're not when I embrace God's will and conform ourselves to his will. God is Lord. This is the whole thing We're talking about. Saying God is Lord is not a clever way of working me back to being Lord again.

And having a way that I can responding. However, it calls me to by obedience by return preaching this and that is to send this wise. By design if he wanted so he could have so obviously it's God and he sought him again.

And he saw them again. Specific is a mercy that God did not. And the reverend buzz Taylor my co-host has something to say.

Well, yeah, I find myself.

Talking with us.

All too often. I'm in the situation that Job was in where I have to admit that I spoke too soon and I put my hands over my mouth. Oh, yes.

And of course, you've never really experienced what Job has been through. No, thank God for that. But.

The. I thought some of the things were just as bad when it was happening. Yeah, I.

Cry when the pizza delivery comes late.

But living in an area like this right now.

It really it makes I imagine.

What you're going through through a whole different looking around me and people just living miles away. Yeah, and.

Another way that We have to remember is it not true that God alone is wise is It has a lot to do with what we were saying before In regard to those who rush to attempt to defend God in a very unbiblical way.

By claiming that he has nothing to do with a certain tragedy or Some occurrence that is bringing about calamity and God in his wisdom. He knows what is best and Even if we on this side of heaven will never understand that or know what his purpose was.

I Mean very often he does reveal his purposes to us later on when we go through a trial. But he doesn't always this side of heaven reveal these things. We have to keep that in mind no matter how horrified or dismayed or distressed.

We are in the midst of something. We have to always remember that he alone is wise as Much as we may look upon our fellow man, and there are geniuses that are among us. There are brilliant people among us inventors and scientists and all kinds of folks that make us just really Be taken aback in awe.

At their their brilliance, but but only one is omniscient. Only one is wise as God is wise and he knows What he is doing when things like this occur. In fact, we got to go to a break right now if you could pick up right where you're left off there I would appreciate it connecting those dots and If anybody would like to join us on the air.

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