Incarnational Thoughts, Callers

Colossians 1:9-17 and the Prayer for Spiritual Maturity

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And so from the day we heard we have not ceased to pray for you asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will and all spiritual wisdom and understanding so as to walk in a manner worthy of the Lord fully pleasing to him bearing fruit in every good work.

And Increasing in the knowledge of God may you be strengthened with all power according to his glorious might for all endurance and patience with joy. Giving thanks to the Father who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the Saints in light.

He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us the kingdom of his beloved Son in whom we have redemption the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God the firstborn of all creation for by him all things were created in heaven and on earth.

Visible and invisible whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities all things have been created through him and for him. And he is before all things and in him all things hold together. Thus says the Apostle Paul to the Colossians the church at Colossi a church that he himself had not been to in a church that he himself did not found.

Its founding was through his the wisdom granted to him by the Holy Spirit. However, that is in the ministry that was his in the city of Ephesus the major city of the Lycus River Valley Colossi up river from there and as a natural result of a sound mature church being founded in Ephesus over time the church in Colossi is founded as well because the message spread and This is what you might call an incarnational devotion this morning as we start the dividing line and Line up your phone calls at eight seven seven seven five three three three four one.

I got that nice ring in in the ear again. Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one is the phone number. Didn't say hear anything about the incarnation in that text you had the prayer of the Apostle Paul.

That He had prayed for the Colossians. It does certainly give us an insight into how we should be praying for others. And if I might just on a personal note ask for your prayers for an event tomorrow.

I can't go into details right now. I hope that I can in the future. But there's something going on tomorrow and I know my heart is certainly set upon a certain result. But I want the Lord's will to be done, so please pray that that will be done tomorrow if it is you'll be you'll be informed and Many of you I think will be excited about it.

But We are told about the content of the Apostles prayers by this particular study. He was asking the father that the Colossians be filled with the knowledge of his will and all spiritual wisdom and understanding.

He did not pray that they would be Physically blessed with large houses and Pretty straight teeth and pretty hair and one limb the same length as the other limb. Instead the prayer of the Apostle for the Church of Colossi was they be filled with the knowledge of his will In all spiritual wisdom and understanding and Once they would have this knowledge of his will once they would be filled with it.

It wasn't just an external thing. It wasn't. Oh, I attended a Bible study. I got some good ideas. And so whenever I think about that Then I will think back to what I learned there know this knowledge of his will is all-encompassing.

It's about all of life. It's about seeing how God's will for the Christian is a life encompassing will. That's what means to be filled with the knowledge of his will to have spiritual wisdom and understanding.

He was praying that the Church of Colossi be be mature. To not remain in the baby stage not remain infants in Christ but that they were to be filled with the knowledge of his will and all spiritual wisdom understanding so as so as to have the ability to Walk in a manner worthy of the Lord.

Now, of course, no one would know that You need to walk in a manner worthy of the Lord if there wasn't something different about your life. If you weren't marked by the name of the Lord. But clearly to walk in a manner worthy means that you're walking in a manner both toward God as his Disciple toward Christ as his learner as his follower and to the outside world as one bearing the name of Christ.

So as to walk in a manner worthy of Lord fully Pleasing him Fully pleasing him pleasing him in all respects in all ways. Not just in part of our life but in all of our life in the way that we think the way we act the way we speak the way that we Dress the way we respond to adversity and difficulty.

Now notice this is this is not Some kind of step-by-step dress like this Wash like this Live according to this specific rule type of a situation. That is that enforced on every culture. These are words for every culture for all time.

And yet the point is that by the application of the Word of God and to the ministry of the Spirit of God. Every generation of believers Should know what it is to walk in a manner worthy of the Lord being fully pleasing him pleasing him in all respects in all things.

Bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God. Now that bearing of fruit we can't allow the world to define for us what that is. Especially as we come to the end of a year and we look back over the preceding 12 months one thing that every Mature person learns.

Is that the past 12 months went faster than three preceding 12 months now? I realize of course It didn't go by any faster time has been going at the exact same speed. I live in Arizona at least we really believe that we don't play with our clocks.

We don't we don't speed it up slow it down once or once twice a week or a year. You know we I fully know that this past year has been just as long and just as short as preceding one but if you're busy in the things of the Lord, it just seems like time passes ever more swiftly and As we look back over this year, I think it's good to ask yourself a question Did I bear fruit in every good work and again don't let the world define that.

What does that mean? Was I pleasing to God? Have I grown in my knowledge of what is pleasing to God bearing fruit in every good work and Increasing the knowledge of God do I know more? About Christian truth today than I did at the beginning of 2010 or have I slid have I forgotten have I been?

So taken up by the things the world and the pressures the world that I have not pursued this it has to be an object Of pursuit it has to be something that you are are seeking or You will not grow in that knowledge.

Increasing in the knowledge of God is That a goal. It has to be for the for the believer that this is this is not Gnosticism there are people who you know throw the term Gnosticism out at everything without even knowing what the Gnostics were actually about but Increasing the knowledge of God.

That is a worthy goal. Most of you know I did not have this goal at the beginning of 2010. But most of you know I don't look like I did this time a year ago, and I'm glad for that. I'm very glad for that.

Health has now become something important to me and and I work hard toward it, but you know bodily exercise is of little profit in comparison to Godliness sometimes that's abused. I Know that I feel much better.

I know that I I live life with more energy. When I am taking care of the body that God has given me. I don't worship this body. It's it's falling apart. It's you know we're closing in on the big 5 -0 here some people have already gotten there.

Turn up your hearing aid. I said some of you Yeah. Some of our I got in there, but I I'm not there yet, but I'm working on it and Yeah, you didn't even you didn't get a chance to open your microphone.

I took you out. That's that was pretty good. That was a preemptive strike. That was pretty good but It's amazing how we can be disciplined in that area and right now. I really am disciplined in that area.

I'm I'm doing a week here my birthday is coming up on Friday, and I'm doing a week here right now. My goal is and I'm on track my goal is to climb 16 ,000 feet This week. I'm a bike 16 ,000 feet that is about 3 ,000 more than ever done before.

And that's how I'm gonna celebrate my birthday. I am disciplined and My diet is disciplined, and I'm disciplined in these things because I can see the benefits as Christians as Christians do we even know what our goals are supposed to be.

I? Mean. Physically you you want you want heart health, and you want you know you don't want to be encased in a in a in 300 pounds of fat and you don't want your heart working that hard. And you don't want to be playing with cancer and all the rest that type of stuff.

We ever we know we know what health is do we even know what health is in the Christian life. Do we consider pleasing God and increasing the knowledge of God as a sign of spiritual health and If we do what are we doing to pursue it, or is it just sort of you know I hey.

You know I showed up Sunday morning at church all year. Well. That's good. But did you show up at church expecting something from God did you prepare yourself prepare your heart prepare your mind? Did you follow up on what you learned there are?

Parallels between the experience that is ours physically and spiritually. Paul continues on may you be strengthened with all power according to his glorious might for all endurance and patience with joy all endurance steadfastness.

With joy giving thanks to the Father who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the Saints and light now. I Don't know that anyone in this life Could ever fully plumb the depths of what it means to share in the inheritance of the Saints in light.

But I can tell you one thing that sounds awful glorious to me. You know I think we try to sometimes you know picture what heaven's gonna be like and what what glory is gonna be like and mind has. It does not enter into the heart of mind of man.

I has not seen ears not heard neither and into the heart of man those things which God has prepared for us and This inheritance of the Saints in light. I Don't know what that is. I don't know what's gonna look like.

I don't I'm almost afraid even try to describe it because I don't think our language really is up to it personally but note That those who will share in the inheritance of the Saints in light. They are thankful first and foremost not to themselves.

Not to an organization to no earthly powers. Giving thanks to the father Who did not simply make it possible for you to qualify yourself? That's not what it says. It says giving thanks the father who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the Saints in light.

It's all of God. That's why we give. Thanks. Just as in first Corinthians it is by God that you are in Christ Jesus by his work that you are in Christ Jesus and We give thanks to the father Who has qualified you to share the inheritance Saints like we didn't qualify ourselves.

He didn't look down the corridors of time and say oh, there's someone to qualify themselves. I will now select them. No, the sovereignty of God divine monergism is the foundation of the Saints giving.

Thanks to the father. We give thanks to the father because he has delivered us not we deliver ourselves now. He made it possible for us to deliver ourselves. He has delivered us from the domain of darkness see the Saints in light the domain of darkness and Notice his deliverance was twofold.

He took us out of the domain of darkness now. Those who are in the domain of darkness love darkness. They they they love they flee from the light. They scurry away from it, I think one of the more modern examples of this for those of you who watch such things, but I saw I am legend and if you've seen I am legend because of some Stupidity that man did there was a virus that mutated and Destroyed the vast majority of mankind except for a very small number.

But didn't destroy them it didn't kill them it altered them horribly and made them so they could not stand sunlight and One of the scariest parts of the movie was where he goes into this dark building to find his dog.

Because you know, they're in there. But they can't stand light. They have to stay out of the sunlight. It drives it just you know, it's the old vampire and light type idea it seems to go way back in human history that those who are evil do their deeds in the darkness and That's a biblical theme as well.

The natural man loves the darkness because he thinks it hides his sin because there's that conscience thing going on. Those who are saints have the share and the inheritance of the Saints in light. Come to the light but see that's not natural that is not natural and Anybody who thinks it's natural?

Well, you know, I'm just a morally neutral person and I'll just sort of I'm gonna just naturally come to light. No, that's not the nature of the unbeliever. So he has delivered us from the domain of darkness and Transferred us.

It wouldn't be enough just to deliver us from the domain of darkness. Just put us back in a morally neutral spot. That's what some people think prevenient grace is. There is no such thing he has delivered us from the domain of darkness and Transferred us.

So he delivered and transferred us. It wouldn't be a complete salvation if he didn't do both things. It only be a half of a work. But you see he took us out of the domain of darkness and he transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son.

Wow, I just something just struck me. No, it's not revelation. Let's not let's not to get confused here. You know, I'm not on TV. I'm I'm not gonna pull the oh The Lord just spoke to me thing that you see on TV on all the time and blah blah.

Well, I actually mentioned I'm sorry the challenge between 20 and 22. We need to be politically corrected at least here in Phoenix. It is he transferred us to the kingdom you cannot be in a kingdom if you do not have a what a king and He is king of kings and Lord of Lords.

Is there not a very popular heresy in So many evangelical churches today That you can be a follower of Jesus But not submitted to his lordship. The anti lordship movement the cheap grace movement the Bob Wilkins heresy movement.

But you see if you have been delivered from the domain of darkness, then you have been transferred To the kingdom of his beloved son. You are in a kingdom. You have a king you are under his authority.

The idea that you can just tip your hat Toward Jesus Christ and say oh, I believe you died and rose again. That's it. No repentance. No lordship. No, you see as long as you realize the work of salvation is divine work God delivers from the domain of darkness and he transfers To the kingdom of his beloved son, and that's all there is no other way.

There's no other purpose if you're gonna be pleasing to God. That's the way it is. The kingdom of his beloved son in whom we have redemption the forgiveness of sins. In whom. See to be in his kingdom has to be personal because it's in him in Christ we have the redemption the forgiveness of sins.

Now the parallel passage in Ephesians 1 7 says through his blood. But all of the early manuscripts all the way through I believe to the 9th century at Colossians 1 14 say in Whom we have? redemption the forgiveness of sins.

And it's only later that a parallel corruption takes place and through his blood is inserted. Even the majority text agrees with that just for those of you who might be looking at that If you are in the kingdom of his beloved son, you have redemption.

You have the forgiveness of sins. I remember a Conference a little little talk that we gave in our old offices long long ago and a Current Roman Catholic apologist his I believe his father-in-law was with him in attendance and Had the strange belief that redemption the forgiveness of sins were two different things and He just he just kept mocking that he called it Mickey Mouse.

And I remember taking him back to this text in Colossians 1 14 look right here in whom we have redemption the forgiveness of sins and I explained the construction and how the forgiveness of sins is renaming redemption how this is and oh No, just wouldn't have it would not have it not a person under the authority of the Word of God.

That is for certain well, all of that I really wasn't planning on talking much about because the Incarnational thought is found in the description of Christ. Having been told that we have Redemption the forgiveness of sins in him.

We are in the kingdom of his beloved son. He is described as the icon the icon of the invisible God the prototype Ahs pass a stessa Oh's the firstborn of all creation not the first created the firstborn the one who has preeminence over all of creation.

He is the image of the invisible he is the one who reveals to us. Hebrews 1 says that he is the exact representation of his being. The correct air. The imprint the stamp that is left by the by the ring and it's a perfect stamp.

It's a perfect representation. No, mere creature could say that for by him. All things were created in heavens on earth visible and invisible than thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things are created through him and for him and he is before all things and in him all things hold together.

Now I have often commented on the fact that this is such an incredible section. Describing Jesus Christ the creator of all things Paul Exhausts the Greek language. He exhausts the the prepositions that you can use we have n alto by him where all things created and Then we have D out to through him ice out on for him pra pontoon before all things and Then n alto it's it's it like wraps it up.

He uses all of the prepositions that would be relevant here to explain to us That this one is not part of the creation. He is the origin of the creation. He's the purpose of the creation. He's the means by which the creation came into existence.

This is the creator and when we take all the New Testament together, we see that creation is the work of the triune God father son and Holy Spirit but I said that this was a Incarnational devotion as I was thinking about this this morning how we want to start the program today everyone thinking about the holiday season.

I Suppose there's one or two crusty Puritans during everything there can to not think about the holiday season right now. But the reality is that for the vast majority of us and even for the crusty Puritans It is always appropriate Even when you recognize the Violation of divine truth that is so much a part of our society Abuses of Celebrations and things like that.

It is always appropriate to think about The incredible miracle of the incarnation. I think in some ways There is some truth to the assertion that Western Christianity, whatever that is Western Christianity is not as Centrally aware of this divine truth as it should be and given that we live in a land where naturalistic materialism and secularism is now the The religion of our fellow citizens and it is it's the religion of our fellow citizens.

We need to realize this this belief in incarnation is Grossly offensive to them. It's grossly offensive because what are we saying when we talk about? The incarnation, what are we saying? We are actually making the assertion That the Creator Himself and that's unpopular enough as it is, but they know the creators there.

They're investing a lot of effort in suppressing the knowledge of the Creator. The Creator Himself has invaded His own creation and if he has invaded his own creation Then they know there is absolutely positively no way they can get around dealing With this Creator.

He's personal. He's the the incarnation is in your face Christianity it's in your face. Because he's in your world. He took on flesh. He didn't stay Safely at us. He didn't stay at a safe distance. You know how you're following those emergency vehicles down the road and it tells you how many feet you're supposed to stay behind.

It's supposed to stay at a safe distance. God didn't stay at a safe distance he invaded and the reality is That the message that we proclaim is a radical radical message. It's a message the world mocks.

The world thinks we are absolutely completely disconnected from reality if we are honestly telling people that our God Entered into his own creation the Muslims find it impossible to believe. The Jews rejected the secularists rejected the cults.

Rejected see this is what makes Christianity radical. This is what makes it different. This is what makes it unique. This is its heart. That's why Nicaea was so important not because something was revealed there but because something at heart already been revealed was defended there.

Its necessary Implications and conclusions were seen there. They'd always been there. They'd always been understood. But against the greatest attack upon them it withstood not necessarily in 325 but over the next number of decades.

When that affirmation that it was God in human flesh. Not a God not a godlike one not a secondary deity. But truly God. Emmanuel with us. Not Emmanuel man you little L with us but Emmanuel with us it always been what the scriptures had taught but that is the very essence of the faith and We cannot be ashamed of that.

We cannot draw back and become comfortable with a Jesus in a manger. See, it's one thing to say that God's far away and we'll leave him out there. It's nothing. Well, you know little babies that little baby grew up and drew drove the money changers out of the temple and He said a lot of very uncomfortable things certainly about religious hypocrites.

But he also talked about being the soon-and-coming King and a kingdom of heaven and the only way into that kingdom of heaven is through him and no one else and The world doesn't like that and the world wants to reject that and the world is embarrassed and they will try to make you Embarrassed to believe it.

But you can't be embarrassed to believe it that is the very essence of The Christian faith. Beautiful text not not normally a incarnational text. But you see this one who made all things in heaven and earth.

This creator of all things is said in the very next chapter to dwell in bodily form. Bodily form Colossians 2 9 for in him all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form. The incarnation was real and That's the thought.

I thought I would be able to get into 10 minutes and it took 30. Started preaching again. Sorry about that. Eight seven seven seven five three three, three, four one. We already have Justin and Elijah online got room for you during the break.

We'll be right back.

Calls About Mormonism, Acts 4:13, and Joseph Smith

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And welcome back to dividing line on a Tuesday morning. 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 4 1 is Skype up. Dividing dot line on Skype and I even have tweet deck up today dr. Oakley 1689 via Twitter and so let's Start getting to the calls here and let's talk with Justin.

Hi Justin. Hi.

I have a question on some Mormon Doctrine some Mormon issues. I'm a I'm an undergrad student. And I've been given permission by my professor to write a paper on Acts 413 where the Apostles are described as uneducated.

Or unlearned it. Mm-hmm. In my dealings with Mormon friends, I grew up in Reno and that's right down the street from Salt Lake so we had. I had quite a few Mormon friends and in my dealings with them always come up the.

They relate Joseph Smith as being unlearned. As if to relate him to the Apostles. In my research I'm finding that very much to be true. And I just wanted to get your perspective on that.

Well first I think you mean 413 where they're described as a grommet toy. I think Just just in passing this has nothing to do with that. But in regards to your your your paper you might want to include in your discussion what the actual meaning of grommet toy means a grommet toss does not necessarily mean illiterate as Bart Ehrman insists it means in Acts 4.

There's really good resources on that as far as the Utilization of the term at that particular point in history. And I think it'd be good to take old Bart out on that one because it's it's pretty easy to do but just in just in passing but as far as Joseph Smith is concerned He certainly wasn't illiterate, but he wasn't overly literate either.

I think the interesting thing to deal with with Joseph Smith. I mean, I don't think there's any any benefit in arguing well Joseph Smith was Unlearned like the Apostles were well, there's anybody could you know make that claim on some level?

I'm unlearned about all sorts of things. That that's that's hardly that's hardly an issue the point is I think to Utilize that claim to to help to examine His his prophetic claims because a prophet May focus upon his unlearned nature to say well, these things are not coming from my own self.

But the problem with Joseph Smith is he gave us all sorts of things by which we can examine his claim to prophethood. Where he claimed to be able to go beyond by supernatural means What men of his day could do by natural means in other words, he claimed to be able to read Egyptian while the Rosetta Stone was still being translated and there was almost nobody in the United States that can make heads or tails out of Egyptian hieroglyphics and yet he claimed to translate the the papyrus Into the book of Abraham and 500 pages of the Book of Mormon from reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics by a supernatural means from golden plates or then taken back to heaven well, we can't look at golden plates because of that, but we still have the papyri and Charles Larson's book by his own hand upon papyrus remains one of the best books documenting the fact that when we can actually test his claims to Do by via supernatural ability?

What he could not do by natural ability he fails miserably and That would be the direction that I would go as far as that goes. Because I don't think there's anything really to do benefited by Arguing about whether well, he's a parallel with the Apostles.

The point is if the Apostles were our grandma toy, which means they were not trained in the rabbinic schools. Yet Of course that's referring only to the you know, people like Peter it would not actually make application to Paul.

Paul would not be described as a grommet oi as a grandma toss because he Was trained at the feet of Gamaliel and he was trained in the rabbinic schools. And I think that's what a grommet oi means in that particular context but There's not much to be argued for there.

The point is that they as regular men were called by God Empowered by the Holy Spirit and then their understanding of the Old Testament scriptures their proclamation their steadfastness their patience and endurance so and so forth very different than what you see in the behavior in life of Joseph Smith who Was not patient and did not endure and frequently was very angry and engaged in all sorts of ridiculous behavior Treasure-seeking and all the rest of these things so that that would be the direction that I would go I'm not sure how much room you have in your paper, but Any one of those areas would be well worth developing.

Well, thank you, thank you, yeah, I only have five to eight pages in my.

And yeah, is that and is that a double spaced 12-point font. Well, then that's that's that that's that's an introduction for me that that's that's that's the first few paragraphs. Yeah, I understand, you know, you can you can do it.

I didn't seminary there was more than once I asked my professor for for a waiver on length and. Some that stuff is still posted on the web. You know most most professors. You know, we look at the length of the paper and go.

Yeah, I can see they really fluff that one out to try to make it as as far as it was supposed to go. I'd rather I'd rather read a longer paper that is well argued and shows some research then. Something that someone has just fluffed out to make it dare barely reach the minimum distance.

So. At least that's that's me. But you know. You might have a grad assistant doesn't want to read anything extra so you can ask. Yeah, it doesn't hurt. All right, thank you stay warm up there in northern New York, I bet it's pretty pretty cool up there right now.

It's about 70 here, thank you very much for calling Justin. I love it. Eight seven seven seven five three three. Yeah, it's about 70 degrees outside right now going for a high of 76. They set a new record on Sunday of 79 beat the old record of 78.

Yeah. And most of my friends up in North North good old, you know, Milo Hotzenbuehler the poor guy up in up in North Dakota Milo's having a tough time. He it's so cold up there. He can't get moving enough to sing winter in North Dakota.

That I mean you Winter in North Dakota is this great song that makes you really have to work hard to sing it and it's too cold for him To even sing it. So that's that's how cold it is in North Dakota right now.

Anyways, eight seven seven seven five three three three four one dividing that line on Skype Dr. Oakley 1689 on Twitter hey Milo's actually listening right now. Maybe I'll fire up a Milo song here a little while.

Let's let's first. Let's talk with.

Elijah hi Elijah. How you doing? Dr. White. Thank you for having me on brother. I really appreciate it. Yes, sir. Your ministry has been a blessing to me and Your labor and the field has definitely brought me through In understanding reformed faith much better.

That I came out of a Calvary Chapel.

You are not alone in that. I'm getting lots of contact from people going. Hey, that's what happened to me, too.

Yeah, yeah, it's common. You know, you're definitely uh, you're definitely not wrong when you uh, you know you. Because you know as long as Calvary Chapel keeps pointing their uh Followers to the Bible, you know, they're gonna they're gonna come to reform theology.

So yep, you know, it turned out that way in a weird sense for me. So but my question Concerns New perspectivism. I have a close friend Who was a brother in the Lord and lately? He's been quite a fond influence of such men as EP Sanders and NT Wright In respect to their view of Paul on new perspectivism.

And I've done a little research in regards to what it is and you know, I've listened to your bait with father Mitch Pacwa on justification because it's relevant and it's helped me a lot in understanding You know justification from the Roman Catholic perspective and from the Protestant but I'm still a little foggy on the essential issues really of new perspectivism and the implications of Their view of justification and exactly how would you recommend me approach?

In defense of the Protestant view of it.

Well, let me see and I see if I can get somebody in channel or maybe sir brass can do this but I think that on sermon audio someplace I. Some some presentations that I made at a church in Texas. I think it was San Antonio.

I'm I'm I don't remember. But I did a weekend on new perspectivism. I know. That at Grace Covenant Church in St. Louis, I did a weekend on new perspectivism as well, though. I don't know what those are online.

I think somewhere my lectures specifically on NT Wright's book on Paul What the Apostle Paul blew in justification are available online?

Yeah, I did actually get a one of your lectures. I forgot where it was. So I think of a great Church that you just said. I spoke of a day spring fellowship, right? Yeah. Yeah, you did you are you were going through NT Wright's book a lot of locations of him a lot.

Which it was helpful as to what he believed. You know, I I was just wondering if there was a direction that you would have me go. I mean because when I was interacting with my friend He it kind of makes sense why he's been into the whole he I am over by and Philadelphia.