Closing Arguments, White vs. Zaatari

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debate but now we have shown that Jesus is not God for two reasons they admit that Jesus added to his nature and that's a nature change whether you like it or not and the

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God of the Bible says my nature does not change then we have Mary crystal clearly she didn't believe

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Jesus was God and he acknowledged it he knew you couldn't get away with it the Old Testament says a virgin will give birth you say that the one she gives birth to is

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God it happens word for word and she doesn't believe that he's

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God you cannot escape this point you cannot escape the point that during the light notice in tonight's debate

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I've brought in more information from the lips of Jesus from the times of Jesus more than he has

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I'm going to the people who walked with Jesus I showed you none of them believed he was

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God he keeps going to outside sources after Jesus left which

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I still quoted from Acts Peter is saying Jesus is a man so either way they still didn't believe it and again during his lifetime they did not believe he was

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God that point remains you cannot refute that fact during the lifetime of Jesus what did they debate

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God or Prophet neither Messiah or Prophet you can't refute that sorry then he brings up the point about John 1 1 notice we spent half of that time on John 1 1 which isn't even

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Jesus speaking notice that I'm not saying John supports his view but notice the interesting point there that we spent half of the

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Q &A on what John said and then on what Hebrews said and I don't have a problem with Hebrews I'm not saying they're bad guys

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I'm just saying okay they said these things brilliant show me where Jesus said these things to back their view up the

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Quran says Jesus is a prophet he says I don't go to someone 600 years later true but if that person 600 years later is making points that are being backed up from the lips of the person himself then he has a point you keep caught he even admitted when he quoted

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Colossians 1 he had he refuted himself by mistake he said did Moses ever say such a thing did

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Jesus say such a thing no he didn't then he changed his argument and he said well that someone in the time of Moses say such a thing about Moses which proves my point

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I have no problem with Hebrews with Timothy etc

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I repeat quote them but back them up with the words of Jesus notice the circular reasoning

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Jesus is God because the New Testament says so where's the proof from Jesus himself you haven't showed it to us and then the word was

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God and it became flesh yes Allah says be and it is the word manifests itself

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Allah says be he created all of this is God's Word he simply said be and it becomes that's that's how you explain it and then what about all the other

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Christians who don't interpret John 1 1 according to his Trinitarian view that the definite article is missing now he'll argue and they'll argue but it doesn't matter because let's just go to Jesus so the definite article is missing before it says and the word was

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God let us assume that the definite article isn't missing let's assume that the word is called

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God well if anyone studies the Bible they will know that many men are called God as well isn't it strange that in the

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Bible being called God doesn't make you God in the absolute sense unlike the Quran when you're called when

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Allah says Allah he only refers to himself in the Bible when you're called God it doesn't really mean you're the true absolute

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God and that's how we can easily interpret John 1 1 Jesus never said

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I'm God he said I'm a prophet a Messiah so if he's called God we understand that in the sense of the

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Old Testament like when Moses was called God basically a servant a prophet but not the true absolute

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God because Jesus fails all the criteria with a mere Rasul say this with the whole mighty

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Almighty God come out of a womb out of a vagina I'm sorry I know the

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Muslims will ever accept such a belief and then a last point he says we

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Muslims do this because the Quran disagrees wrong we do this because it's the truth what about all the

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Christians who aren't Muslims who interpret things like I do are they doing it because the

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Quran told them no because it's the truth that's what you get when you read the

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Bible so dr. White has failed to show us where Jesus says I am God and he has to show it because the

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Old Testament God time and time again says he's God dr. White has showed failed us he failed to show us anywhere in the four

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Gospels where people believed he was God he only can show you doubting

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Thomas another Trinitarian says no this is even under dispute he can't shows any of these things so who does he go to outside the four

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Gospels I argue on the lips of Jesus and another point he said the

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Prophet Muhammad never said I am a prophet wrong go read the Hadiths I'm not a heretic

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I believe in the Hadiths the Quran says follow the Hadiths the Hadiths show the Prophet saying in crystal clear

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Arabic I am the last prophet so he does say it you can't shows where Jesus said it so you've been refuted there as well so yes go home and examine the facts go to a

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Christian website name biblical Unitarian calm they have responses to every point he brought

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I can't respond to all of them but they have it all on John 1 1 on Hebrews on all of it isn't it ironic that in Hebrews which he quotes

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Jesus is set to have a God in Hebrews chapter 1 I believe isn't that interesting he goes to Hebrews to try to prove that Jesus is

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God yet the author of Hebrews says that Jesus has a God yeah

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I'm gonna worship Jesus as my God and I'm gonna worship his God as well that doesn't make any sense it only makes sense if Jesus isn't

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God which is why he has a God time please and thank you thank you once again

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I thank all of you for being here late into the evening I thank you for your attention I would like to thank

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Sammy's artery for being here this evening I would like to give him a couple of gifts there's a book by a friend of mine

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Daniel Wallace and some friends called reinventing Jesus a scholarly work on a lot of the attacks upon Jesus these days and and a book that I wrote called the forgotten

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Trinity and I would like to give these two I hope you can see through some of the the bluster that we've heard this evening

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I don't see any reason to talk about oh I've refuted you here and refuted you there you're the judges this evening and it is up to you to determine who is rightly handling the word who looks at context who looks at background and who's using the same standards in applying their arguments to one side or another we just heard all sorts of non -christians as if they're

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Christians Muslims if a person does not believe Muhammad's a prophet is a Muslim okay so if I start quoting orientalist don't believe

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Muhammad was a prophet and calling them Muslims would you be offended and why are you quoting Unitarians to me to redefine

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Christianity all sorts of Christians disagree about these things does that provide an answer to what I have pointed out in John 1 1 no

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I debate those folks and refute them too you had no response provided John 1 1 you had no response provided to the fact that Jesus identified as Yahweh and to stand here before you and say oh he's never shown you where anybody believed

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Jesus was God well I just refer you to the opening statements the opening presentations texts like Titus 2 13 2nd

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Peter 1 1 our great God and Savior Jesus Christ where that is not the case I've also pointed you to the words of Jesus and I ask you a simple question

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Sammy just said oh you see I go to the words of Jesus and they're consistent with that book that comes 600 years later where in the

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Quran do you ever find Jesus saying these words and now glorify me father together with yourself with the glory which

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I had in your presence before the world came into existence which surah is that a missing ayah perhaps maybe

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Uthman missed that one no the fact of the matter is

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Jesus spoke those words and no mere Rasool would ever dare to claim that in eternity past he was the object of the glory of God and then say to God as a man upon earth glorify me that's what

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Jesus says and that's why his disciples described him in the way that they did that's why

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Paul describes him in Colossians 2 9 is all the fullness of deity dwelling in him and bodily form that's why the writer to Hebrews he just mentioned

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Hebrews chapter 1 I exhort my Muslim friends take the time to read

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Hebrews chapter 1 absorb it look at the Old Testament passages at sites see the description of Jesus as the final revelation of God as the

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Son of God isn't that contradictory to surah 112 isn't it

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I think it is as the Son of God the creator of all things did all thing we're all things created by Jesus the

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Bible says it clearly in Colossians 115 Hebrews chapter 1 and then it says all the angels of God worship him to all the angels of God worship prophets and then those words about the unchanging

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Yahweh from Psalm 102 25 to 27 are applied by the author to Jesus there is only one way my friends that those words could be written and that is that the person who wrote them believed in the absolute full deity of Jesus Christ making the same distinction we do between the father and the son and that is what

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I have presented to you this evening we have seen if we step aside from the rancor and the claims of I refute you there and I refute you there and leave it to you the audience show you the respect to allow you to examine the argumentation when you do so you see from the beginning and the

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New Testament that in every single book Jesus either says and does things in the

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Gospels or is described by his followers in what follows in ways that could never fit the

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Muslim Jesus that's why when I debate for example Shabir Ali as I have debated him before he simply dismisses these

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New Testament texts they're they're they're not inspired their later corruptions they have to because recognize that there is no possible way for there to be harmony between this text and the text of the

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Quran they contradict each other I submit to you that the writer of the Quran did not know that and only later generations came to realize it and therefore as a result began to attack the validity and text of the

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New Testament and so I say to you this evening when we look at the sources that have any meaningful claim as having anything to do with Jesus what do we discover we discover that they uniformly without question testify that Jesus Christ was not a mere

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Rasul yes he was a prophet Lamb of God King of Kings and Lord of Lords but he was not the

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Muslim Jesus he was the Jesus of the New Testament the

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Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end the first and the last and he is the one who says he gives life to whom he will if you're a

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Muslim here this evening I want you understand the reason that we do all of this is our prayer that in his mercy and his grace this great