March 13, 2019 Show with Justin Peters on “Sanctification Through Suffering: One Christian’s Refusal to be Deterred or Defeated by Cerebral Palsy”

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And I am so thrilled to have back as a returning guest today, one of my favorite guests, Justin

Peters.

He is an evangelist, a conference speaker, and founder of Justin Peters Ministries.

We are going to be addressing the theme, Sanctification Through Suffering, One Christian's Refusal to be

Deterred or Defeated by Cerebral Palsy, and we're also going to be announcing the upcoming conference on

the theme of Sanctification Through Suffering.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Justin Peters.

Hey, Chris, it's an honor to be back with you.

Oh, it's my pleasure, and your commendation for Iron Sharpens Iron Radio is one of my most prized possessions,

and I thank you for writing that for us probably a year or so ago.

I'm just thrilled and honored to have that featured on our website.

Oh, absolutely.

Well, I meant every word of it.

Well, I appreciate it, brother.

Well, first of all, let's hear something about Justin Peters Ministries for our listeners, especially, that are

discovering you for the first time.

It's all across the United

States, 25 different

countries now,

so

it's got to be

very

good.

Well, I hope to remember to keep repeating this website.

This is a very important website that everybody listening should have on file somewhere, but it's

justinpeters .org, justinpeters .org, and you will

discover a wealth of information.

There.

And God willing, this isn't set in stone yet because Justin and I just started to communicate

about this just moments before the show started, but God willing, Justin will be the

January 2020 speaker at the next,

or I shouldn't say the next, next year's Iron Sharpens Iron Pastors Luncheon.

So mark that down somewhere to remind me, not to remind me, but to

ask me more information about that as we get closer to that date and we have more details

finalized as to the exact date and all those other specifics.

The next Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Pastors Luncheon is going to be held, God willing, May

23rd of this year, featuring Dr. Tony Costa of Toronto Baptist Seminary, where he is

the professor of apologetics and Islam.

And he is a Reformed Baptist and a really phenomenal preacher and teacher and speaker and lecturer.

And I'm sure you will love Dr. Costa.

But as I said, hopefully in 2020 in January, we will have Justin Peters join us.

Now let us know something about this conference, the first one that you will be a

part of, you're on the speaking roster at the Sanctification Through Suffering Conference

in Freehold, New Jersey.

Tell us about that.

Yes, Sanctification

Through Suffering, Frank

Wallace,

Striving for Eternity Ministries is headed by

Andrew

Rappaport, which may not sound

exciting, I suppose.

I've seen that you're the reality of

loss of living in a fallen

age.

Taking this topic, and we're going to be looking

at it from a toll of

our suffering, we'll be looking at all of these issues.

And the Bible has me.

I'm looking forward to

it.

Amen.

And you say that it doesn't sound like a very joyful topic.

But in reality, those who are suffering, so those who are going through a heartbreaking

trial of some kind, they may wind up rejoicing while they're there because

they may find purpose in their suffering for the first time in their lives.

The fact that it is titled Sanctification Through Suffering obviously

intends to convey the biblical idea that our suffering is not purposeless,

as I think those who deny the doctrines of grace, I think that if they deny

God's sovereignty over all things, I have a hard time understanding how they can come to the conclusion that

suffering can always have a purpose and a good purpose for a Christian.

It doesn't always have a good purpose for everybody, but it has good purposes for Christians or those that the Lord

is drawing to himself before they're saved.

But people may wind up having hearts overflowing with joy while they are in

attendance and after they leave.

Yes.

And

Charles

Spurgeon,

if

this

is...

Yeah, there's another key element to Romans 8 .28.

And many times, well -meaning Christians, perhaps, and perhaps greeting card

companies that are run by people that aren't even Christians at all, but who love Romans 8

.28, at least part of it, that all things work together for the good.

But obviously that's not the end of the story.

The full text reads, For those who love God and are the cold

according to his purpose.

Not every human being can look at their infliction and their suffering and their trials and

take comfort that it is for their good if they are headed for hell.

This is not the case unless, unbeknownst to them and all of us around them, they are one of the

elect that is not yet born again and is being drawn to God.

But a lost person cannot hold on to this as a promise to him or

her, can they?

No.

No.

If you don't have your confidence, it would indeed seem

meaningless.

There's nothing inherently within a person, himself or herself,

to be able to,

yes.

That is why it's foolish and unbiblical and something that you can never find anywhere in the pages of

scripture, where a Christian is to approach a lost person and say to

him or her, God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life.

You would have to be a prophet to know that God has a wonderful plan for each and every

individual that we meet, because that tragically is not always the case either, which goes

hand in hand with what we just said.

Exactly.

That's not even something I would say

in and of itself that is true.

God does love us.

What God deems as wonderful may not always seem so wonderful.

God had a wonderful plan that God had for Stephen.

God had a wonderful plan for the life of the Apostle Paul and John the Baptist, and the wonderful plan that

God had for their prison.

God does indeed love us, and

it may not always

seem God is most.

When things are going, we are in the midst of

trials, when we are in the midst of persecution, when

we are in

the

midst

of...

Well I have to say that no portion of my life involves unicorns.

Same here.

Well unless you are referring to

the occasional trip to the zoo that involves rhinoceroses, or is it rhinocerai,

or I don't know, how do you say that in plural?

That's a good question, I'm not sure.

But it is believed that the original intention of that word,

unicorn, was not a horse with wings and a horn, it was referring to rhinoceroses as

originally.

Right.

Well, this interview would not be complete, especially regarding the

subject matter of sanctification through suffering, if we did not hone in on one of the main reasons,

in addition to your brilliance and your biblical wisdom and biblical literacy and knowledge,

one of the reasons that you have been invited to be on the roster at this

conference, sanctification through suffering, is that you, for the majority of your life,

have been battling with the infliction of cerebral palsy, and people

who have gotten to know you are just so impressed and perhaps

even envious of the way that you handle yourself in public

as a brother in Christ having this dilemma of cerebral

palsy, and many of us do not fare nearly as well as you do with

things infinitely less serious.

I could include myself in that number, the amount of times I grumble and complain.

Now obviously I also do not hang out with you behind closed doors when you are

alone and in the privacy of your life, you may go through a great

deal of difficulty handling what you are experiencing, I don't know.

But people that know you, you don't wear that on your sleeve in public, that's for sure.

But if you could tell our listeners all about this journey of yours from the moment you first knew,

or that your parents knew, that you had cerebral palsy, and then continue on from there.

If you are not born a

consequence of something, in the injury,

either to my limbs and my

nervous

systems,

nine months of

it, my parents,

until time came when I should have been sitting up, I

wasn't, and I still

wasn't

sitting

up, so

the other

end of

the

spectrum

until you can

get dressed,

he has

the same

condition

I did, he cannot

dress himself, he cannot

feed

himself,

he

cannot

move

about,

and

Matt

Kennedy

is

completely

non

-existent.

You reminded me of something that a dear brother said to me, and he

was a dear brother, he is now with the Lord, but I think in an effort to,

perhaps unconsciously, be super spiritual about matters,

and perhaps even intending to be comforting to me, he said something that was rather foolish, when I

had discovered that my mother, back in 1995, had pancreatic cancer, with a

very grim diagnosis of six months to live, as it turned out, she went

home to be with the Lord six weeks after her diagnosis, rather than six months,

and she was raised a Roman Catholic, and had remained a Roman Catholic her entire life, until

six weeks before entering eternity, praise be to God, she embraced the true gospel, she

renounced prayer to Mary and the saints, and was trusting, she was trusting solely in

the perfect, finished work of Christ on Calvary, and she expressed these things without

coaching from me, these naturally flowed from her heart and mouth,

during the last six weeks of her life, after being more heavily evangelized,

perhaps, by me, but not in an overbearing way, but just in a

conversational way, and these things came out of her like a fountain, but anyway, this brother,

this brother who was in attendance at a prayer meeting before my mother died,

and I was asking for healing for her, if it be God's will,

this brother after the prayer meeting was over, approached me and said, brother, just remember,

it's a sin for you to want your mother to live, if it's the Lord's will for her to die,

and I said to him, yes, that's true, brother, but how do I know that's God's will until it happens?

I mean, while she's still alive, there's nothing wrong with me having hope,

and nothing wrong with me praying that the Lord miraculously

delivers her from that death sentence, but it was not his will to do that, and she is in

heaven with Christ, but that's the kind of foolish thing that, it's a good reminder

to not only us, but to others listening, and to perhaps that we

can mildly and gently correct others when they say foolish things, but Christians, even seasoned Christians can

say very foolish things in an effort to encourage and comfort someone in a time of despair, don't they?

Exactly right,

that was

nothing at all wrong for someone to

be healed, but

in doing so,

God does not remove,

yeah,

that was,

I am

immortal

until God

takes me,

but none of us

knows,

nothing at all wrong.

Well, the best of us say stupid things, in fact, if anybody listens to Orange Herb Zion Radio on a daily basis, they know that I say

them probably every day.

Yeah, we have sermons that I preached when I was

much, much younger, and what did he.

Say?

Well, we have to go to our first break right now.

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This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with less than 90 minutes to go

is one of my favorite guests of all time, Justin Peters.

He is the founder of Justin Peters Ministries, and he is also speaking at a conference in

Freehold, New Jersey very soon on the theme, Sanctification Through Suffering.

That's coming up actually this weekend, Friday the 15th and Saturday the 16th of

March.

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We do have a number of people waiting to have their questions asked and answered, but I am

going to hold off for a little bit on them because they are not on the topic that we are addressing.

So I will get to them, God willing soon, but I just wanted to flesh out more of this

specific topic that we are addressing on Sanctification Through Suffering.

One of the things that goes through my mind is someone like you who was born with cerebral palsy, you have never

known anything else, you, for lack of a better term, and I don't

mean to be insulting in any way, but you may be having an easier time, and in fact you are

certainly having an easier time in life managing this because you have never known anything else, than

someone who has become inflicted with a

medical or physical problem later in their lives that they have never

experienced.

There are people out there who have been primarily conditioned athletes,

people who have been at the top of their health and fitness and strength and

speed and endurance and stamina and skill in athletic

endeavors, who have been stricken with things that have basically

made them either temporarily or permanently give up those kinds of activities and perhaps even

basic run -of -the -mill ordinary activities that your average person goes through every day

including even the elderly, they may not even be able to do things that

senior citizens can do with ease on a regular basis.

They are going to be typically hit harder mentally and emotionally and even spiritually

than someone like you.

Would I be jumping too far of a leap to come to that conclusion?

No, not at all, Chris.

I don't know what it's like.

Oh, I've not only interviewed David Miller on the show, but I've also heard him preach at the G3

conference and in fact the last time I was there I had the privilege of having my photograph taken with him.

I don't right now,

no.

Yeah, he was a star athlete in high school.

Yes, that's correct.

And now he is.

But I would imagine though, and perhaps you are far more sanctified than I am, in fact I already know that

you are more sanctified than I am.

There's no guesswork involved in that.

But I'm assuming that even somebody as godly as you are, not that you would brag

about that for yourself, but am I wrong to think that you are at times

guilty of envy of when you look at people doing things with ease that you cannot do, a

child or even a senior citizen doing something that you even need their help on occasion?

Does that bring envy into your life or perhaps you've been able to overcome that

in your sanctification?

Well, I

just got back

from

the church hotel.

And who is this?

Jim Osmond.

Oh yes, I have had Jim on and he's your pastor.

Yes, yes.

And when we left the hotel, I

get dressed once a month,

no small task, and I'm in my

suit and that, being

able to, you know,

dunk away.

I guess

envy, I suppose,

that would

be nice.

I can't do that, have no comprehension of it.

Well, don't feel too bad because I can't do that either, even though I'm comparatively able -bodied.

I'm colorblind, which also puts a big hurdle in my getting dressed.

Oh, I can imagine.

And of course, I don't mean, I hope that none of my listeners think I'm being rude by saying that in comparison

to some serious condition that you're in.

Well, one of the reasons that I think that you could be an invaluable, one of the many

reasons that you are invaluable to discuss this, obviously, having

gone through such a debilitating illness for your entire life.

And as you've already used the term yourself, handicapped, I'm assuming that the politically

correct language police are off -bounds when they start

insulting and defaming people for using terms like handicapped and

disabled.

Are these appropriate terms for you?

For

time.

That's what I am.

I'm not one to get challenged or whatever.

Well, I think that you are an excellent guest to

speak to the hearts and minds of people, not only who are going through an infliction themselves

of a wide spectrum of things that could be going on in their lives.

But if they are a Christian, they have the absolute certain promise

that this will work together for their good from our Lord.

And how can you counsel those listening, whether it is

someone in a wheelchair or in a hospital bed who can't even sit in a wheelchair, or someone who is

perhaps even just racked with depression because their spouse has cheated on them, or their

spouse has abandoned them, or their spouse has died, or a precious child has died, or

you can go on and on with the horrific things that could happen to a

Christian or perhaps even a non -Christian that is listening that may be

provoked to jealousy in a good way, the kind of jealousy that Paul desires to see happen

in the hearts of his kinsmen, the Jews, but a jealousy to want to know

Christ, to know that all things will work together for their good if they are one of Christ's.

Own.

But what kind of counsel can you give to our listeners when they wake up in the morning, the very first thing that they may be

thinking of when they stare at the ceiling, when they open their eyes in a hospital bed or

other circumstance, if you could, just unburden your heart and speak to the hearts and minds of our listeners?

Yes, Chris.

I would, knowing

that I do not

deserve to remember,

you know,

the

age -old question, why does God

allow that?

You're not a good person.

I'm not a good person.

There is none who is good, no, not one.

There's none who understands, none who seeks after God.

Jesus told the rich young ruler, what must I do?

No one is good.

There is only one who is good.

Affirming

has never been, there's only been one time in

which a bad thing happened to a good person.

Yeah, I just saw a meme recently on Facebook where the late R .C. Sproul was being

quoted as saying, why do bad things happen to good people?

That only happened once and he volunteered.

That was the way it was worded.

That's right.

That's exactly right.

Amen.

So, the

other

thing,

I would

say, I've

ever, not

to the things that

are seen.

Amen.

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Sanctification Through Suffering.

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Before we return to our discussion with Justin, I just have some important announcements to make regarding upcoming

events that I hope that you will attend, the first of which we've already been repeating throughout the program,

but it deserves repeating again, and that's the Sanctification Through Suffering conference where Justin Peters is on the speaking

roster.

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That's this Friday, March 15th, and this Saturday, March 16th, in Freehold, New Jersey,

and that will be held at the Chinese American Bible Church on 65 Gibson Place

in Freehold, New Jersey.

And it will not be conducted in the Chinese language, that's just the venue where they are having

the event.

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Then, coming up, is another conference where Justin Peters is on the

speaking roster, along with my very dear friend since 1995, Dr. James R. White of

Alpha and Omega Ministries.

They are going to be speaking at the Community Bible Church in Victoria, Texas

on Friday, March 29th, and also the 30th

and the 31st.

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The church is located on 2205 East Mockingbird Lane.

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And that's March 29th through the 31st, the Sufficiency of Scripture featuring

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Cuomoistan, the Soviet Socialist Republic of Cuomoistan, named after Andrew Cuomo,

the horrific, God -hating governor of that state.

But that is another topic for another time.

Then coming up on March 30th, for those of you who live

closer to Long Island, New York, my friend Bruce Bennett, who is my second guest tomorrow, 5 to 6 p .m.

Eastern on Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio.

Pastor Bruce Bennett, who is pastor of the Word of Truth Church in Farmingville.

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apologist named Matthew Luke Broderick.

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Then I want you to know about a very important conference that I am going to be

attending, God willing.

This is right here in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania,

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Ministers Conference, which is being held at the Elizabethtown College in

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person and work of the Holy Spirit than those heretics that our guest, Justin Peters, spends much of his life

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We do have an anonymous listener, Justin, who wants to know if you have a wife that helps

you through your daily tasks in life.

I do, indeed.

Praise God.

Yes, indeed.

Praise the Lord.

Preaching minister John,

he had to preach, so she's quite the...

has helped me.

In fact, she... she helps me do...

usually...

In fact, I probably... the things I used to do for myself, she now helps me...

I don't burn quite as many calories getting dressed nowadays as what I used to do.

Well, thank you, Anonymous.

Keep listening to the show.

We have Don in Valdez, Arkansas, and

Don asks, I live in a small town in Alaska...

I'm sorry, I said Arkansas.

It's Valdez, Alaska.

I live in a small town in Alaska, and I just found out that a small NAR wannabe

is trying to get foothold here.

I've talked with my pastor about this, and we have a tentative plan for dealing with them.

Can you ask, Justin, if there is, aside from

praying and educating our church, is there anything my proactive...

Is there anything my proactive...

There's a little bit of grammatical error here, brother, so I'm going to have to try to sort this question out.

Is there any proactive things he would recommend us doing?

Thanks for your time.

Yeah, great, great question.

And I'm sorry, Don, you said you wanted to remain anonymous, but that was your very last sentence in the question.

So next time, if you want to ask an anonymous question, put it in the subject line, not the very last line as I'm

reading the question.

Sorry about that, but anyway, Justin.

Well, maybe this will be a warning for these NAR folks to pack up and get out of town, get out of

Dodge.

Yeah, exactly.

Heath Joyner,

Todd White,

Lou Engel, I

would say proactively

maybe a couple of things.

There's a new documentary out entitled My Brandon Kimber,

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And maybe order some of those, I think, as soon as you can

amongst them.

And I'm not that I may come

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me come in in

predefining

deception.

I've had the privilege of having our mutual friend, Kosti Hinn, on this program, and he is

quite a remarkable young man, nephew of Benny Hinn, who has

committed his life not only to preaching the gospel, first and foremost, but also to exposing men like his own

uncle and other charlatans that teach very dangerous and deadly and damning

doctrines.

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who's coming from Toronto to do our pastor's luncheon.

And Kosti Hinn, I'm looking forward to Kosti Hinn

coming back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio soon.

And this NAR is the new apostolic revival, correct?

New apostolic reformation.

New reformation, I'm sorry.

In fact, I know that I have done at least one, perhaps more,

interview on that, and when I find that book on the archives,

I will let you know about another book that I recommend that I had

featured on this program.

Let's see here, we have another listener, and this listener is, I believe, a

first -time questioner.

My name is Ethan.

I'm 28 years old.

I live in Sophia, West Virginia.

My question is in regard to same -sex attracted people who claim to be Christians like Sam Albury.

To be certain, I've listened to hours and hours of the man's preaching, and I do believe him to be regenerate.

I do question the Living Out website he's a part of, though.

If I were same -sex attracted, it would make me feel pretty empty and hopeless.

I'm very concerned because the church tends to be rather quiet about these incredibly serious and

almost increasingly common issues of biblically -minded human sexuality that a

born -again person who remains same -sex attracted after being led to salvation will

feel pretty alone because of hateful, graceless people who also claim Christ and

therefore, perhaps, be driven into not -so -orthodox branches of Christianity.

I don't see any warrant to believe that every same -sex attracted person who surrenders their life to Christ will be

immediately, if at all, this side of eternity, cured of their broken sexuality.

Of course, Christ is enough.

His word is sufficient.

In other words, what I'm asking is, what is your biblical understanding of someone who struggles with same -sex attraction, but is

indwelled by the Holy Spirit?

Obviously, a celibate lifestyle is the only answer, aside from maybe some type of Orthodox Christian -oriented

conversion therapy, in hope of developing appropriate attraction to a spouse of the opposite sex.

Should same -sex attracted persons seek a relationship with the opposite sex if they don't

possess the gift of singleness?

Okay, well, there's a lot to unpack there.

Yeah, that is a controversy in the Church amongst conservative Bible -believing

Christians who know that homosexuality is an unnatural and damning

sin.

The issue that becomes a controversy is to what degree a

truly regenerate person will struggle with a same -sex attraction desire.

Do you have your own thoughts on that, even though that's not the hallmark of your ministry?

Do you have any comments that might be helpful to our listener on that?

Good, but non -practical.

Oh, yeah.

I've interviewed Owen on the program.

Okay.

And he makes a case, and I agree with, 1 Corinthians

6, verses 9 through 11,

that same -sex, or

do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?

Do not be deceived, neither fornicate.

And then Paul says that some of you, you were those

things, you're not anymore.

You have been crucified in the name of the Lord Jesus.

There's a Greek in there such were some of you.

It's not enough

that

you

shouldn't...

Even if he's attracted physically to a non -Christian woman, it's still natural.

The question is, how does he respond to that attraction?

Yes.

They're attracted to women.

It's a natural desire, but it's

an attraction that stems...

Yes.

There's nothing in the Bible that speaks of regenerate people having this ongoing

struggle.

Now, I've heard people that would agree with us theologically on 99 of

things who will say that we should not completely rule out in

somebody's life that occasionally, if they had a previous experience

before their salvation, if they were involved in that very unnatural and wicked

behavior of homosexual activity, that occasionally even a regenerate person might have a flare -up of

desire that they have to put to death in their hearts and minds.

Do you think that that is possible?

I mean, this is something that is totally foreign to me.

Obviously, I struggle with sin every day, but not this sin.

And the thing that makes it unique and different from, as we were saying, heterosexual lust

is that an attraction, a sexual attraction to the opposite gender is

a gift from God.

And if we abuse it and misuse it, we are sinning.

But we can never say that about a homosexual attraction.

It is never a God -given gift.

It is something that should always be a red light, a red flag in someone's mind.

This is unnatural.

This is bizarre.

This is damning and deadly.

Right.

Even to evangelize us, some might use it as an excuse to do something like that.

Right.

The thing, I mean, I heard just one lecture by Sam Mulberry, and he said the right things

through the majority of what he was saying.

And I was agreeing with him.

But he seemed to be resigned to the fact that this was his lot in life, to be a

same -sex attracted pastor and just to live celibate and to

warn people about physically consummating these

desires.

But that seems to me a denial of the power of God, like you're waving the white flag and

you're saying, well, Satan's won with this issue in my life, so I'm just going to accept this

and just try to be responsible with this.

But almost, I mean, people might think this is an exaggerated comparison, but somebody's on death

row and they're regenerate, even though they have spent their life as a serial killer.

Would a reborn believer in Christ Jesus, who is a new creation in Christ,

would they continue to fantasize about murdering people?

I mean...

Exactly.

Exactly.

Or a child molester?

Right.

I don't...

I just don't get that.

And...

But anyway, that is an issue that I said in the beginning.

There are brothers and sisters who agree with us on nearly everything, who

have disagreements over this issue.

Not that they ever say it's okay to behave in that way, but they wonder about how much of those

desires can remain in somebody who is reborn.

Logical reason to not.

You show me someone who is...

And this is something I agree with you, because I can't relate to this on any level.

And something else I can't relate to is people, how it's hard for me to even...

People who find...

In that way, that is so foreign to me.

And if...

You show me someone who...

Right.

And so, it's an inherently sinful, disgusting,

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They believe in a sovereign God who commands all men everywhere to repent and believe the gospel.

If you're looking for a church that believes in expository preaching, which is simply biblical preaching,

in New York City, I'd like to recommend that you visit New Covenant Church, NYC.

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Hello, my name is James Renahan, and I'm the president of IRBS Theological Seminary in Mansfield, Texas.

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Welcome back.

This is the last few minutes of our show today.

If you have a question, send it immediately or forever hold your peace because we're rapidly running out of time.

First of all, I want to thank Arnie from Perry County, Pennsylvania who reminded me of the book that

I highlighted on an interview on Iron Trepans Iron Radio, A New Apostolic Reformation, A

Biblical Response to a Worldwide Movement by Doug Guyvet and Holly Pivick.

That was featured on our December 8, 2017 episode of Iron Trepans Iron Radio.

Thank you, Arnie from Perry County for bringing that to my attention and memory.

Our last question about people struggling with same

-sex attraction actually lends itself to the theme in general of suffering

in this way that there are many people as you can imagine, Justin, who are

suffering because they have a painful desire for someone

to love in their lives and for some providential reason they can't

find that person.

Perhaps it could be through a disability and you, in spite of a disability,

God granted you a precious gift in having a spouse but there are others that may never have a spouse

because of a disability or it might be many other reasons.

It might be that their pastors have counseled them not to remarry because

they have been married and divorced multiple times.

Who knows what the reason is.

But can you give a word of encouragement.

And comfort.

To those who are battling depression because they just don't think that they are going to have

a person and of course the only biblical way that they could have a person

in a romantic sense in an intimate sense is a person of the opposite gender than themselves.

But for those folks who feel that they are just crushed inside because they are fairly certain

that they will remain on earth for the rest of their days

without a significant other.

What can you say to those folks?

Sure, Chris.

And I know that I'm 37 years

old

and I know it hurts.

I know if

you have a

desire for a spouse make it a matter of prayer and you never

know you never know when in God's providence He will

bring you someone.

I had just about given up by timing

and He brought the right person to me.

Never give up.

God will bring that right person.

And surround yourself number one

with like -minded

believers.

Amen.

And as my pastor said to me many years ago when I was a young new Christian in my

mid -twenties he said, always remember it is far better to be single and want to be

married than to be married and want to be single.

And I want to remind our listeners that the conference being held this Friday and Saturday March 15th and 16th in Prehill, New

Jersey where our guest Justin Peters is featured on the roster you can

find out more details at strivingforeternity .org strivingforeternity .org and of course

Justin Peters ministry can be found at justinpeters .org justinpeters .org.

Thank you so much Justin for being our guest today.

I want to thank everybody who listened and wrote in questions.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.