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Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.
Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.
If you'd like to talk with dr. White call now. It's 602 9 7 3 4 6 0 2 or toll-free across the United States. It's 1 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1. And now with today's topic here is James white. And good afternoon welcome to the dividing line getting started an hour early because I will be Meeting with some of you this evening at the sound and pound the conference in downtown Phoenix.
Sound as in teaching pound as in pound the streets take what you Started explain that to you so that you were not confused. Anyways, starting off an hour early. I think I have a two to four six eight nine Tabs open in the DL materials folder here.
I don't think I get to all them. But One and and I also have Queued up even though I'm obviously not even gonna try to today the Don't know what they said. This is not a debate. It was a dialogue. I always worry about people who are afraid of the word debate and we don't want to offend anybody.
You can always tell it's gonna be a little on the wimpy side. But anyway There was a debate that took place Very recently Mike Licona was involved with a Yale theologian and It was on whether Jesus believed he was divine and We're gonna listen to it next week not this week and I think it's an excellent example of How to identify?
Well The the Yale theologians primary arguments are well us theologians. If you're gonna be a credible theologian, I'm sorry us historians if you're gonna be a credible historian you can't believe this either.
I think the absolute necessity of approaching the presuppositions upon which these folks base their assertions and if you don't the fact that you're left with really nothing much to save them and We'll be taking a look at that.
I did mention last week on the dividing line. We did and I did not mention this on Tuesday. I apologize. But I mentioned very briefly on the dividing line from Detroit last week That we have an opportunity now it's already slid off the blog because rich is flooding the blog at the moment with stuff that I wrote when I had hair and when my kids were small and You know stuff like that but May need to pop it back up just for Visibilities sake just so that so we can see it But have the opportunity have been invited By dr. Goriel at ABN to Do a televised version of the dividing line every every other week on ABN which would require six trips over the course of the year to Detroit fly in do the live show Stay the night next morning record the next three weeks worth of shows and fly home basically and ABN is not a is not flooded with money or anything like that and so we would need to raise the funds to be able to pay for the flights and Basically getting me around and stuff like that while I'm there and so we've put a link on the blog and a PayPal account and If you all think think that's something that's worth doing.
Then that's what we'll do and we will take a look at What kind of funds are provided over the next few weeks and make the decision from there? As to what is enough to get started Etc etc and we'll see how that how that goes.
Obviously there you know there are limitations to what you can do there. There are more things you can do in A televised broadcast then you can do like this. I mean, let's face it. You know it Sometimes I have to provide graphics and put graphics up on the blog just to be able to address certain things obviously there are some advantages and Could bring a wider audience to the vine line.
We'll see we'll see. I I put it out there and Leave that to the people of God. But I only mentioned that on a dividing line that was on a at an odd time and an odd day and Hence, maybe there might be people who didn't weren't even aware of it.
So I thought I would mention that The Christian Institute is a Website that I like to look at. I'm not sure why I like to look at it because it's frequently very depressing. I Love this one. This one was from what's the date on this because I've had this one up here for a little while 25th of October so six days ago a Brighton Council this is the Brighton and Hove City Council in the United Kingdom a Brighton Council is thinking of banning the use of mr. And mrs. In official documents all in the name of equality.
The bar me proposal. That's not language. We'd use here. The bar me proposal has been suggested following a council survey into the lives of transsexual residents. But Tory councillor Don Barrett said it's completely ludicrous and shows a complete lack of respect.
Are they going to address letters properly? This is just political correctness gone too far. The idea is backed by deputy leader of the council felon McCafferty felon Phelan. I am well, I've never heard that one before.
Bellum McCafferty who thinks it is useless to call people. Mr. Or mrs. I don't know. I think it helps a lot first. Walk up to a big nasty looking football player and call him. This is you find out how fast it'll work.
Yeah. Counselor McCafferty said trans people aren't necessarily male or female and Sometimes they don't want to be defined by their gender. Putting mr. And mrs. On a form is completely useless. The proposal to ban the terms we presented to the council in December.
It was recently announced the socialist government in France is planning to scrap the words mother and father when it introduces gay marriage and of course, we just had this week the fact that the Socialist government France will now pay for all abortions for everyone Borscht on demand totally paid for by the French Government, so there you go socialism.
It's great thing. It's it's wonderful. Great thing. Yeah in a similar vein. From let's see. What's the date on this one. October published October 30th. Politically correct a mugging at Queen's University.
This is very interesting. Listen to this. This is what's coming folks. This is what is coming. Michael Mason's 50-year teaching career ended on a sour note. Last fall his history classes at Queen's University were abruptly canceled after he was accused of making racist and sexist comments in the classroom he had used the terms raghead towelhead chaps and little yellow sons of bleep.
A student complained that his borderline racist comments made her very uncomfortable. On top of that one of his female teaching assistants complained because He told them they should become mistresses.
Dirty old creep not so fast. The subject of the course was imperialism and neo-colonialism at the time of the Second World War. Professor Mason was using offensive phrases to illustrate the attitudes of that era.
They were direct quotes from contemporaneous documents. A Context that was abundantly clear to nearly all the 140 students who had flocked to his popular course. As for mistresses professor Mason had merely expressed the hope that his mainly female students would become masters and mistresses of the material by the end of the semester.
These nuances didn't interest the administration which quickly called him on the carpet. The department chair sent him a letter reprimand saying he had contravened the university's equity policy. He was summoned to a meeting where he was told he had failed to create a safe space for students.
One of the administrators spoke the need for inclusivity inclusivity in the classroom. They told him they had decided to open an investigation and that he should stop teaching until it was completed. Some was almost humorously outrageous says the 74 year old professor who had been recalled from retirement to teach the course.
He had in fact invented the course and had taught it for years with great success. So I thought who better. The complaint about the mistress's remark he says came from a female graduate student in Gender Studies who had been appointed his TA.
Professor Mason then took a medical leave. A dozen students wrote him letters of support saying his course is one of the best they'd ever Taken. The Canadian Association of University teachers Meanwhile open an investigation of its own last month delivered a scathing report that demanded the university apologized to professor Mason.
It's not surprising as academic mugging happened at Queens. This institution has long been obsessed with the politics of gender race and speech. Its liberal arts courses offer the usual faddish attention to race class gender oppressed groups colonialism and the sins of dead white males.
It has a sizable bureaucracy devote to improving human rights Employment equity diversity anti-racism awareness and so on as the CAUT report said faculty members Express the feeling that the administration tends to be panicky when it comes to issues of racism as there have been a number of cases In the past few years that have proven embarrassing to the university.
Anyway, as he says at the end of the article, I had always hoped I would have a heart attack clutching a piece of chalk. He told me I was hoping I'd go on to 100. Oh you know, I. It's just it is a clear example of how Absolute simple common sense Has abandoned the Academy?
These people got so many degrees. They can't tie their shoes anymore. They can't brush their teeth. They can't add two and two they are simply stupid. I mean, this is stupidity this is this is stupidity on the level of driving down the road and Literally interpreting road signs so that you end up doing dumb things that people aren't supposed to be done.
It's just it's just ridiculous and yet this is the very essence of Politically political correctness in the Academy. What was that line from the few a few good men the Rocco sluggle sluggle school for the galactically stupid?
I Have absolutely no idea. You know anyone I know from that one is you can't handle the truth. Yes, well, I think this one that line plugs right in that's I'm gonna tell you it is absolutely Amazing. And speaking of more looniness from from Canadia.
This is from The National Post up in Canada. Those who encourage or incite terrorism could be barred from Canada under guidelines tabled by Jason Kenney. Those who publicly glorify terrorism or incite hatred could be barred from visiting Canada under guidelines To be tailed Wednesday by Jason Kenney the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration.
The minister was to brief the standing committee on citizen Citizenship and immigration in the afternoon on details of a controversial proposal that would give him the authority to keep certain foreigners out of Canada.
Canada Canada for public public policy reasons. While critics are concerned about the vague wording of the legislation the new guidelines List the behaviors and activities an immigration minister could consider when deciding whether to use the extraordinary power a copy.
The guidelines obtained by the National Post says the law would apply to those who Publicly promote or glorify terrorist violence or terrorist organizations outlawed or sanctioned by Canada. It could also be used against those who encourage or incite terrorism incite hatred.
There's likely to violence against a specific group or promote counsel encourage or incite serious criminal activity. These guidelines would apply to a foreign national who makes public statements or uses any means to broadcast right produce publish or distribute material including a website in public speaking to express such views.
Now you Need to understand that sounds like they're talking about keeping wild-eyed jihadis out of Canada, right? It goes on to say the guidelines appear to be a response to recent plans speaking tours by anti-muslim US pastor Terry Jones and a radical Muslim imam who advocates stoning homosexuals to death.
US neo-nazis have also visited Canada on speaking tours in past years. A second section of guidelines would allow the minister to keep out current or former senior members of regimes against which Canada has imposed sanctions as well as any Associate or a relative of such people.
The point is that once governments start claiming these kinds of Powers then you very well know How they're going to be using them and even if they are originally intended Just to keep a wild-eyed jihadi out.
Then the politically correct crowd cloud crowd comes along and says Well if you're gonna do that to the Muslims, then you need to do that to the Christians, too, and so Let's just say that I wouldn't have to be worrying too much about visiting Canada very often in the future.
If something like that were to happen, that's just sort of how that works this morning. It wasn't very I've got a little bit of a cough going so I apologize everyone's while disappear and hit my cough button and clear things up, but It's also causing me to fumble and stumble over a few words as well, but anyway This morning I watched the view yes, it's it's a Confession I have to make it is probably the very first time I have ever purposefully Turned this on in fact everything I've ever seen of this program has been clips that people have played on the internet to demonstrate What inane idiotic thing had just been said on the view or recently the last one was whoopi Goldberg Demonstrating that she thinks the Mormons are actually Mennonites.
That was pretty cool. Yes. We watched it all the way through. What you actually watched it all the way through the whole thing. No sir, okay, I did record it but thankfully I I happened to Come in to the room right as they started the section with Rachel held Evans and the year of biblical womanhood and So I knew she was going to be on and I predicted exactly what was gonna happen first of all you're not gonna Be on for very long.
So you're gonna have no more time than you probably had on good morning America or whatever program. She was on last week was and And knowing the wild-eyed feminists who populate the stage It was gonna be nothing more than a Let's laugh at some other things the Bible says.
Oh, it says this didn't that's LA and What is the primary thing that I have just Wanted to. Yeah, I've just been very clear. I said on Twitter. I think I said on the program as well In the video Clip that they did in fact they did more.
I think they did more on the morning program than they did on the view but they did a video clip and They showed Rachel held Evans in light of I think it was from Leviticus 25 During her monthly time Living in a tent in the front yard of her house.
So she'd move out once a month, and that's where she lived is outside and I pointed out to her on Twitter. That is just Excuse me one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life. Um Jewish women didn't do that they're Jewish women didn't have a second house they moved into.
So on on any level it you know ignore the purity laws For the people of Israel and application in modern context you can lay that aside. And the simple fact the matter is even The folks to whom these laws were originally given Didn't interpret them in this way so the only reason that you have to do this is to mock a kind of Literalistic fundamentalism that doesn't even exist.
That's the only reason to do this it's just it's just absurd. Well Guess what happened on the view today exactly what I said was gonna happen on the view today. They brought that up. She talked about it.
She didn't contextualize it. She didn't say now. I realize that This is look you need to understand. I only did these things to point out That that we need to engage in meaningful exegesis. She's not doing any of that and They used her for exactly what I said they would use her for now.
Thankfully there are a number of folks who are Responding to Rachel held Evans whether Thomas Nelson will publish their books or not. I don't know. I I would say Thomas Nelson should just be absolutely embarrassed by this, but anyway Kathy Keller Wife of Tim Keller and a contributor to his book the meaning of marriage Offers a serious review according.
This is on the Sun Justin Taylor's blog on the gospel coalition blog. And he provides some quotes from the review that said many of the same things that I was trying to say briefly. And it was titled a year of ridiculous biblical interpretation.
It's just exactly right. That's the whole point that I was making and Here are some of the quotes you began your project. This is mrs.. Keller speaking to Rachel held Evans. It was all 31 years old. It doesn't have any kids.
You began your project by ignoring actually by pretending. You did not know about the most basic rules of hermeneutics and biblical interpretation that have been agreed upon for centuries. To insist that it would be picking and choosing to preclude the Levitical code from your practice of biblical womanhood is disingenuous if not outright deceptive in Making a decision to ignore the tectonic shift that occurred when Jesus came you have led your readers not into a better understanding of biblical interpretation, but into a worse one.
Throughout your book you have ignored or even hidden from readers the fundamental principles of scriptural interpretation. Including the difference between narrative and didactic as well as the importance of placing commands in their context within redemptive history.
So love is the reason you will reject some parts of the Bible and embrace others. But where do you get your definition of love if not from the Bible itself? And if you say parts the Bible express love and other parts express power interests.
You've clearly gotten your standard and definition of love from outside the Bible. Specifically from contemporary sensibilities and these are your ultimate authority and norm that is for sure. Finally you have become what you claim to despise.
You have imposed your own agenda on scripture in order to advance your own goals. In doing so you have further muddied the waters of biblical interpretation instead of bringing any clarity To the task.
Well certainly. If anyone is looking to Rachel held Evans for insight into biblical interpretation. Well you you get to pay for. You get what you pay for? But that is Very much case if if that's the only book you've looked at or if that's your only exposure to these things.
Yeah, you're gonna. You're gonna be in a rough a rough space. No no toys about it. And I suppose I should say you know if you'd like to Defend Rachel held Evans you can give us a call. I suppose eight seven seven seven five three three three four one sort of working through these things, but if there's if the Grand Poobah determines that that your call is Worthwhile you'll have to convince him of that don't just call him say I want to talk to James.
That's not gonna do anything. Then I have I have one here. It's sort of funny. I might get through these. I have one here is sort of funny on the evangelical textual criticism blog which I Do follow. There's this funny.
Well, it's SBL ETC dinner you have to really be into acronyms. Okay society for biblical literature evangelical textual criticism dinner SBL ETC. Textual critics especially go to SBL tend to be pretty geeky.
That's just that's the only way to describe these folks. I Don't know I've seen pictures and most of them look like they they need help from the 60 year old woman in the in The row in front of them to help get their luggage up into the overhead rack, but anyways Yesterday they posted something about I'm finalizing this was Hmm that's interesting no name.
Oh there is Christian Ascolan. I am finalizing plans for a dinner at the hard rock cafe in Chicago from Monday at 8 p .m. I Recommend that we congregate at the end of the papyrology and early Christian background session and Take the elevated train in the city center together at about 7 p .m..
So look out folks. You've already missed it that would have sort of fit Halloween anyways right there just a whole group of textual critics on one train. That's just would have been frightening. I should note this session includes two papers on the second century green papyri.
Alternatively you can meet the group the restaurant 8 p .m. In either case Please post in the comments below to indicate your attendance so we can reserve enough places. Attendance is open to all who love textual criticism and fatty foods.
Why did I mention that because you get little itty-bitty bits of information? From strange places. You'll notice he notes here. I should note that this session includes two papers on the second century green papyri.
Something tells me I don't know this for certain I'm guessing but something tells me that's a discussion of the papyri that have not yet been released in the Brill book. Why is it become being called the green papyri because it talks about second century green papyri?
We're not talking about environmentally friendly papyri here. That's not no Something else so Interesting you can sometimes grab things. From that now something will take a little bit longer. Have you seen how?
Often. In fact, I I saw I should have kept this and I didn't. I apologize. I should have let me. Let me actually open another window here. See if I can still pull it up because it was I thought rather well written and It was under this one here.
There it goes. Yes, this is interesting. It is February 27th 2013 Barack Obama having been safely re-elected awakens one morning to news that the Muslims in Pakistan Afghanistan Indonesia Egypt and elsewhere are rioting and storming US embassies tearing down the American flag and raising the black flag of jihad.
February 27th, by the way was the day the Reichstag fire in 1933 if you are familiar with that particular story. They're in a rage over a book that depicts Muhammad is waging war against his enemies can Consummating a marriage with a nine-year-old girl when in his 50s and raining down curses upon Jews Christians and others.
Islamic texts accepted by mainstream Muslims show Muhammad doing all these things. And of course, that's true. A Grim-faced Obama immediately takes to the airwaves. This book is reprehensible and disgusting.
Obama tells the world his eyes flashing with indignation. It does not represent the position of the government United States and we condemn it in the strongest possible terms. This unseemly provocation of the noble believers in the Holy Quran has to end.
This is America. We are better than this. We are not a people who condone hate. We are a people who offer a welcoming Helping hand to those in need and it is high time that we afford religious minorities the same Protections we strive so hard to offer to racial minorities.
The Obama administration quickly drafts a law. The criminal is the use of any means to broadcast right produce publish or distribute material and encourages or incites terrorism. Including a website and public speaking and have material that incites hatred that is likely to lead to violence against or stigmatized stigmatization of a specific group.
The international community is thrilled. European heads of state rushed to congratulate and thank Obama. British Prime Minister David Cameron calls him far-seeing. Germany's Angela Merkel says he is a true statesman.
Dutch Prime Minister Mark root Opines that Obama is richly deserving of his Nobel Peace Prize. And predicts that a new era of peace will soon dawn between the West and the Islamic world. Akmal adan is son none.
Oh good grief. It's an odd glue whatever. Secretary-general the Organization of Islamic Cooperation Announces that he is gratified the United States has finally recognized the red lines. It cannot be crossed regarding discussion of the holy figures of the world's greatest religions, by the way.
Many of these statements have links in them to where these folks have actually said these things just in a different context. The mainstream media is just as happy. Eric Posner writes in slate that finally Americans have come around to the rest of the world's point Of view and that there is no sense in the First Amendment and that we need to be not be paralyzed by constitutional symbolism.
Sarah Shays in the Los Angeles Times Hails the new clarity about the distinction between speech that is simply offensive and Speech is deliberately tailored to put lives and property at immediate risk.
In the Washington Post Nathan Leone effuses that the US has recognized the power of our Multiculturalism will finally reach our true potential as a nation. Not the voices of intolerance that wish to divide us along religious lines have been drowned out by overwhelming calls for pluralism and coexistence.
Muslim spokesman the u .s. Are enthusiastic as well? Harris Taron of Muslim Public Affairs Council heralds the imminent demise of the hate-mongering industry in the United States that sees Islam as the problem.
Imam Hussam al-Husseini of the Karbala Islamic Educational Center in Dearborn expresses his satisfaction. The u .s. Has finally put a law not to insult a spiritual leader. Muhammad kata katana ni of the Islamic Center of Passaic County, New Jersey is likewise pleased that we as Americans have put limits on Borders on freedom of speech recognizing that non-muslims have no right to talk about Muslim holy issues as doing so will incite hatred or war among people.
A Few roadblocks still remain on the road to peace. Some radio hosts object but local stations drop their programs for fear of losing their advertisers and FCC licenses. A teary-eyed house minority leader John Boehner Says that a press conference look.
I agree with the president that the Muhammad book is reprehensible and disgusting. And I don't condone hate speech in any way shape or form. But I am concerned about the First Amendment implications of this new bill.
After a firestorm the press however charging the Boehner and the Republicans favor hate speech and are sowing division among people. Boehner backs down and agrees to support the bill. A Supreme Court challenge is quickly defeated when justices Sotomayor Kagan and Sunstein Lead a six to three majority vote in favor of the proposition that hate speech is not entitled to First Amendment protections and can lawfully be subject to restrictions.
The change the media books critical of Islam and Muhammad disappear from the shelves. Websites tracking jihad terror activity are shut down and After vowing to continue to call attention to Islamization and the spread of Sharia in the West a few bloggers are quietly imprisoned.
The mainstream media is unperturbed. These people were after all purveyors of hate speech. But when Washington Post executive editor Marcus Brocky is taken in the custody After a story reporting on new statements calling for jihad by the Taliban's Mullah Omar Post publisher Catherine Weymouth is outraged the story She writes in a front-page post editorial was merely reporting on Mullah Omar's words.
If there was any incitement to hatred it was on the part of Omar not the post. White House press secretary Jay Carney However explains the president feels this kind of reporting can tend to stigmatize and increase Suspicion of the Muslim community in the United States.
The post and the rest of media has to learn to be more inclusive. Well You get the idea and the scary thing is there's so many links in this To things that have already been said. That we really have to think a lot about these calls.
I'm reading an October 28 2012 piece. This is actually Real it's not a fictional piece based upon what people have actually said. This is a real thing. Saudi King demands UN resolution that condemns insult to Islam.
The fourth estate cooperative contributor. Mecca Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has called on the United Nations to issue a resolution condemning any country or group that insults religions and prophets.
King Abdullah made the call Saturday at Mina Palace in Mecca while addressing religious leaders and the heads of the Hajj which was Going on just just recently the Hajj pilgrimage was was taking place.
This is just one of many we are seeing them all over the place and They're always put in the context of We want to call for Laws against the insulting of all religions. Well, they really want that. I Mean there's one in particular.
Yeah, we all we all know that we all are well aware of this and. And It is it is obvious when you look at what happens what has been happening in the quote-unquote Arab Spring. The persecution of Christian minorities the persecution of cops in Egypt the driving out of the vast majority of Christians from Iraq.
Which was once a very nice place to be but isn't any longer. All of this kind of stuff is all around us and If the continuing What he said here, he also said that his duty of every Muslim to protect Islam and defend the prophets.
Hmm. If the UN heeds the call the corresponding resolution would condemn the US filmed movie. US filmed movie. You mean it was made in the US I guess innocence of Muslims allegedly made by Coptic Christians and cast American actors.
The movie mocks Prophet Muhammad Islam's founder by portraying him as a child abuser and womanizer in the movie. Etc. Etc. Etc. Do they does anyone really really really really really believe that what is being requested here is a broad-minded fair law limiting attacks upon all religions.
Is That really what we want here because I just want to ask my Muslim friends. In fact, I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. But I just saw that there was a dialogue on this including Abdullah Al-Andalusi in the UK and an atheist and some Christians and Abdullah wrote the article on it.
And so I'd like to listen to it myself, of course but there are very very very strong words in the Quran Regarding Christian beliefs. Surah 517 says they have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ the Son of Mary.
So the Quran says we're disbelievers now if someone were to say That Muhammad is a disbeliever. They would find that very very offensive right and so would these laws Prohibit my saying that Muhammad was disbeliever.
Sorry folks the voice is really going faster. Surah 4171. O people the scripture do not commit excess in your religion to say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah Jesus Son of Mary was but a messenger of Allah and his word which he directed Mary and a soul created a command From him.
So believe in Allah and his messengers and do not say three desist. It is better for you indeed Allah is but one God. Exalted is he above having a son to him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth and sufficient as laws to pose of affair of affairs.
Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of Allah nor would the angels near to him and whoever disdains his worship and is arrogant he will gather them to himself altogether and So you have the statement that?
We are committing excess That we must desist From what we are doing so our religion is excess and we must desist from the statements of the very heart of our religious faith. Surah 572. They have certainly disbelieved to say Allah is the Messiah the Son of Mary while the Messiah said Oh children of Israel worship Allah my Lord and your Lord.
Indeed he who associates others with the law a law has forbidden him paradise and his refuge is the fire and there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. They have certainly disbelieved to say Allah is the third of three and There is no God except one God.
If they do not desist from what they are saying they will surely Afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment if These folks are serious about not offending Other religions. Are you gonna stop preaching the Quran?
Because I mean you're gonna you're really obviously Anyone any Muslim who is suggesting laws like this obviously you Are going to stop publicly teaching the Hadith right because the Hadith are much worse than the Quran.
I Mean clearly there's Condemnations there, and there's there's I mean there's some really There's some nasty stuff in the Hadith. That's just the only way to put it. But this is the Quran. And the Quran says of me.
I'm a disbeliever. Allah has forbidden me paradise. There is no one will help. I'll never find a helper that a painful punishment awaits me and Later on we're said to be deceived. I 75 says the Messiah son of Mary was not but a messenger.
Other messengers have passed on before him and his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how we make clear to them the signs then look how they are Deluded the Quran says I'm deluded.
I'm going to hell. I'm deluded. I'm a disbeliever. Would the law Be applied to the Quran so the Quran could no longer be preached now. We all know it wouldn't. Which is why these? people calling for these things are either ignorant of biblical and Quranic texts and Toto and We know they're not.
Or we know they're only talking about one religion and hence. It's okay To preach the Quran and it's okay for the Muslims to say that the Christians are in excess and all the rest of stuff there, but they're deceived and that's okay.
We just can't return the favor. We just can't say yeah, well you know the person who wrote that I'm really not thinking is a representative of God. Oh No, you're not allowed to say that. That violates the law the violates the UN and believe me folks if there's any reason For us to have nothing to do with that body of yahoos, there's a good reason for it right there.
Because I can just see them passing something like that. I simply do not know Of any Muslim that with a straight face Can read these texts and say yeah, we can we can say that we're not inciting the violence.
Excuse me. Did you all see that horrific video of the young martyr man? just a few months ago and They cut his head off, and it was graphic and it was horrific and it was horrible. But you see the reason that they can get away with stuff like this the reason that King Abdullah who gets Millions and millions and literally billions of dollars of our tax money.
The reason he can get away with this kind of thing is Because the vast majority of folks even if they saw it didn't understand a word that was being said. I did. These were the very Texts that were being chanted in Arabic as they sliced the man's head off so it does incite the violence and we have evidence of it and the amazing thing here is Who's doing all the violence.
The Quran incites to violence in the killing of Christians and Then they say that the movie incited who to violence Christians. No Muslims again who are burning down stores and killing people ah people running around going a lot of Akbar and La ilaha illallah.
So evidently that one group can be incited to violence from any direction. From their own text or for somebody else's. So evidently the idea is if you all don't stop insulting us we will continue to kill ourselves.
So do something about it and I just go really. There there are people serious serious people in positions of high authority who are actually seriously considering this. I Don't even know What to say to something like that.
Because it's it's just absolutely amazing that there would be anything like that at all. Maybe you'd like to comment eight seven seven seven five three. Excuse me three three four one. My voice had been fine until I started talking a bunch, and then it decided to start going crazy again.
It strikes me that when you and I were younger men um I don't remember that the the concept of Getting in someone else's face and offending them Was not what sent you to jail it was the other guy doubling up his fist and hiding you in the nose for it.
That was considered a breaking of the law and it's when These things are taken to the level of violence. That that is supposed to be where the you go from being a civilized person to an uncivilized person.
And that's where society steps in. Let's see that this is all upside down now. It is all upside down because what you're assuming there is that a mature person Does not have to react to provocation because we're human beings we can control ourselves.
And when you do react, and that's when you cross the line. That's the old way of looking at things that was that's naive. We need to realize that these folks can't help themselves. Even if they've never seen it all it takes is for them to know that somebody around the planet posted on YouTube a Video that would offend them if they saw it and that's enough to murder people.
That's that's good enough. Well the reaction from those here who are Politically correct is run amok we go back to even when we were children the sticks and stones will break our bones. I was about to say that's no longer that you can't chant that anymore.
That should be illegal on the playground the the politically correct roots that started back in the early 90s late 80s. All of that I you know I you you don't have a right to offend me. You don't have a right to have a right feeling unoffended.
Yeah, and. And that morphs into an automatic looking for offense. Seeking to be offended. Oh good grief. Yeah. Once you start teaching people that they are victims yeah. And that they can act upon their victimhood, then they will always be looking for reasons to complain and That statement that's exactly what I was talking about was sticks and stones may break my bones, but words Will never hurt me.
I don't think we hear that anymore. I Mean I haven't been on a playground a long time. But that's certainly not what's being taught. In our schools no, that's not the approach at all anymore. What's being taught is teachers are looking for stones and your words will break my bones and therefore I will sue you.
Mm-hmm. That's the new that's the new limerick on the on the playground and we're now seeing the result of that. And what was the whole what was why would why were we taught those those lines? We were taught those lines because it was communicating to us that a mature person is someone who is not controlled by words that we can evaluate words that we can recognize when someone's simply teasing us or even seeking to offend us and We don't have to respond to those things that a mature child a Mature person an adult is in control of their own mind and in control their own actions.
And that's what makes them mature. But that's not the case anymore. It's not the case in the educational system. It's not the case with I mean we all know That now the very fact that I know you might hold a view.
You might hold a belief that I find offensive is enough for me to act for me to be offended and for me to seek to Limit your ability to express Those perspectives that I would find offensive. Well, I think also this all goes into a larger picture where The youth of America is expected not to be able to control themselves.
Now you get into sex education in the schools and what it's become you get into this an animal. Anyways, yeah, we're all animals were at least they're not going to control themselves. They're they're gonna be this way in that way.
So the expectation is if you insult Johnny Johnny's gonna want to hit Jimmy in the nose and you're gonna have a fight break out on the Playground or if Johnny likes Janie. They're gonna go have sex anyway.
So let's just go ahead and give them all the stuff to do be able to do that. And we don't teach our kids to be responsible. We don't teach our kids to control their tempers. We don't teach our kids not to insult one another and we don't teach our kids to control their sexuality.
There you go. And what do you have? You have a society of chaos. Yes, you have Europe, which is you know on on the brink of Whatever. It's on and then you bring the Islamist into the picture who are doing with all of what you just described over on the other side and this Kind of thinking person looks at that and goes.
Oh, what did we do? I'm sorry. What did we do? Yeah. Yeah, you're breathing that that is your problem they want to kill you, you know. It doesn't matter what laws that they pass what religious speech what religious?
Activity is restricted by the government. They will still want to kill you unless you convert. And even that look at how they treat each other over there whether you have The more militant ones and the moderate ones.
They're killing each other over there. We're talking about the massive examples of violence amongst the quote-unquote Arab Spring which has turned into the Arab winter. Just look at how these or these Societies have treated the Christians.
Something has happened the past couple days. I don't know if y 'all saw it. But for some reason the current American administration is all sudden realized that they and I've known this all along. I mean before Syria went into civil war 18 months before Syria when the civil war.
Someone I know told me it was gonna happen. And if someone I know knew it was gonna happen then clearly People in the know knew it was gonna happen as well. So it wasn't some surprising thing and The people including a certain senator from our own state Who have been very Open in saying we need to be arming these people and they need to.
We need to be setting them arms and stuff like that. And I'm just sitting here shaking my head going. Such ignorance of what's going on over there and such ignorance of who's who? Because what you're saying is Let's send more and more arms to the very people who did Benghazi.
Let's send more and more arms to the the very people who are have driven Christians out of Iraq. Let's just keep giving American arms to everyone who will kill Christians and persecute Christians and that's exactly what's going on.
That doesn't mean I like Assad, but Assad wasn't killing Christians. It's just it has been an absolute disaster over there and not just the past four years, let's be honest American policy has been a disaster mainly because we don't we don't secularists are going to be a disaster at dealing with Islam and The the the people with the ak -47s in our hands who just want to engage in mayhem and they're using religion as an excuse are going to continue doing that and you cannot reason with them and It's very very difficult to try and call for a recognition Of the fact that there are Muslims who don't want to kill you.
There are Muslims who are embarrassed When they see these people on television screaming and acting like The militant loons that they are. Because they are there and we recognize those folks are there.
But it's very hard to differentiate between between them and these folks partly because they're not given the press that they need to be given. I recognize that but the other scary thing and I keep mentioning this and I hope it's getting through to you is That when you think about the moderate Muslim over against the radicalized Muslim, where is the dividing line between them?
Where's the battleground? What makes the difference between them? It's what scholars they trust to interpret the Hadith in the Quran and There are so many interpretations so the material where the battle must take place is So self-contradictory and so quite literally incoherent.
That I just don't think there's any way that any one side can win the battle and When you have here's where theology matters the vast majority of Islam is nominal. In other words, the people in these countries are Muslims because they were born that way.
They were just born into it, that's all they know it's like Being born in Dallas. You're a Cowboys fan. Okay, it's just it's just it's just natural. You're born, Ohio. You're a Buckeyes fan. It almost has the exact same level because of the nature of Islam.
And the fact that you don't have The same kind of conversion experience that you have as a Christian. I mean we saw what happened when Christianity was the default in a nation to if you're born as a Christian.
What does it do to Christianity? It drags it down the levels all the unregenerate people that are inside its walls. Well, you look at Islam. You're looking at masses of unregenerate people. There are going to be people in those groups that are going to use religion as a means of expression of their evil and so I see constant reports in Europe of enclaves where Muslims Muslim youth are involved in in gang rapes and.
It's becoming more and more common because the law is breaking down in these certain areas what is 700 zones in France that you just don't go into without armed escort and. And what is that? It's it's an example where religion is being used by unregenerate men as.
The mechanism that allows them to fulfill their lusts if they're violent if they if they're racist if they hate certain groups of people. Then you can find a religious leader that will give you a reason to act out those things.
You can do it. It's all it is. And so we see this happening around us and the West has little response because we don't have a moral backbone or a moral foundation upon which to stand anymore anyways, and so.
There you go. There's there's there's there's what's happening. Yeah. And just so that those who may be listening to think that this is somehow turned into a political Discussion the point of all of this is how we practice our faith Within the society how what goes on half a world away?
When we look at that map behind us and we have a persecution by the way the persecution map of believers brothers and sisters in Christ who Just to be able to have the scriptures in their hands could cost them their lives.
That's the kinds of things we're talking about it's a big picture and all of these things affect how we practice our faith and Be able to share our faith if a day may come when we're not even allowed to share.
I'd even allowed to not even allowed to say it because the politically correct Movement has Succeeded. Well folks Next Tuesday Next Tuesday is election day and Those of you who live in a land Where you have the freedom to participate.
I? Do hope that? You will participate. I guess we're Planned on being here. So we'll we'll have a program I doubt that it'll be on anything Overly political you might need a break by that point some of you who live in places like, Ohio.
Imagine you've just about throwing your TV out the window, but it's just like talk about Over doing it. I saw some I saw some Numbers about the hundreds of millions of dollars. You know who's really happy right now?
Everybody who owns a radio or television station in, Ohio or Wisconsin. They are part of the one half of 1 let me tell you right now. They have been making it hand over fist, but there ain't nobody watching no more.
Because I don't about you. I'm I I didn't want to go to the mailbox anymore I mean do it and I'll I'll admit maybe you do you probably do you're weird, but I don't I do not even look I Just I I'm not even I searched through the mail right now for the bills the stuff looks official and Everything else just it's gone because Every day, it's just stuffed full and I watch very little television.
But I can't help but be running into political ads all over the place. What was I watching? Oh, there was one there was one show I was watching last night. There is a show that my wife and I watched together and we argue about what's gonna happen and fun stuff like that so it's sort of a couple's thing and But They they we have a Senate race going on here, I guess a pretty close Senate race here in in Arizona and The Democrat has pulled video of John Kyle and John McCain Saying nice things about him went ten years ago when he was running for Surgeon General or being Nominated for Surgeon General, right?
I guess you don't run for that. Do you? And So that'll play and I'm like, ooh, that's a well That's that's something and then the very next commercial is Kyle and McCain today saying liar liar. It's like I was 10 years ago, but we're not supporting you and we've learned better and it's like wow.
Man, and this is prime time. I cannot imagine This and this is on one of the major net. This is one one of the three major networks and it's just like wow. So it's it I imagine they're just getting sick and tired of the whole thing, but we'll be here on Tuesday the 6th and Who knows?
Maybe something will happen between now and then maybe The mainstream media will actually talk about Benghazi who knows maybe something will happen between now and then I don't know but we'll be here and Hopefully we'll be able to maybe take your mind off those things and talk about some things that have actually Really eternal of value to them because well, I think I think I think Tuesday is important I really do and I think Tuesday is important as to how far into the future We'll be able to do this program and talk about the things we talked about here.
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