May 20, 2022 Show with William F. Hill on “A Call to Presbyterians to Return to their Conservative, Confessional & Biblical Heritage”

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So I was very grateful for that. Today, we have a returning guest. I always love interviewing William F Hill who is pastor of Providence Presbyterian Church in Evansville, Indiana, which is a member of the Presbyterian Church in America denomination.

He's also a blogger at the parchment net today. We're going to be addressing a call to Presbyterians to return to their conservative Confessional and biblical heritage. It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Bill Hill.

Thanks, well, once again tell our listeners about Providence Presbyterian Church in Evansville.

Sure. Well, as you mentioned you're gonna learn. Yeah. We used to be called and I'll be even.

I'll be even happier when I hear the good news that the name has changed once again to Providence Reformed Baptist Church.

I wouldn't be complete if you didn't at least say that one.

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Probably know chance of that happening. I mean it could but I probably wouldn't be the pastor.

Well, if anybody wants more details about Providence Presbyterian Church in Evansville, Indiana Go to Providence Church E .V as in Victor V as in Victor calm. That's Providence Church E as in Edward V as in Victor V as in Victor calm and I will hopefully remember to Announce that information again toward the end of the program.

Confessional Presbyterianism, the PCA, and the Risk of Drift

Well, we are going to be talking about something that is fairly controversial. The theme as I already mentioned is a call to Presbyterians to return to their conservative confessional and biblical heritage it seems to me as a.

As an observer.

That while.

Reformed Baptists Confessional Reformed Baptists are having their own Infighting and disagreement and in-house debates ranging from irenic and brotherly Disagreement towards more towards the The hostile side of the division.

There's some pleasantries and friendly disagreements and there's also some Especially on the internet unfortunately some nasty exchange between Confessional Reformed Baptists and in our situation from what I see it's not typically Because there are confessional Reformed Baptist churches becoming more liberal They are becoming more Stern and rigid in With with whom they have fellowship and have distance some have distanced themselves with other confessional Reformed Baptists because they don't think that they are Accurately Really following the the summary of biblical belief in the confession and some would say that they're not truly full subscriptionist etc.

And even though that a decade ago There was little or no Disagreement at all amongst these same brethren over these issues. These seem to be new issues that have Arisen amongst us. I'm not saying that the issues are new really there are old issues, but they are issues that Have come have become more central in the minds of our Reformed Baptist brethren.

But on the other side of the coin I am seeing and you could correct me if I'm wrong I'm seeing even within conservative Presbyterian denominations Some nervousness and anxiety and regret and disappointment amongst My friends and brethren in the varying conservative Presbyterian denominations as they see a Softening on the opposition to homosexuality and the adoption of Things that would come under the banner of the social justice movement and critical race theory.

So Tell me in your own words How are you? Responding to this and have I accurately described the situation and How we are to proceed from here.

Yeah, no, I think but in-house debate Whoever it may be it will be solved there frankly. It creates more at the time that I had articles books and so they're going to be depending on me to guide them through these somewhat difficult things.

And with that said we are as a session. We are actually the seeds exactly how that impacts us as a church, which is obviously our a great concern that we have. So That's what I'm doing. So I'm simply in addition to that, of course being active both in my own Presbytery.

But as well as a General Assembly, which is a month from now, I think June 20th. I'll be in Birmingham, Alabama. I'm serving a course there is where discussed debated and presented to the floor the Larger of the deliberation and vote and that's the where I think the effort needs to be not helpful as far as information.

It's just not going to solve the problem. It won't solve the problems that occur in fact, sometimes I think they only make things worse, but that's More or less. So yeah, that's what I'm doing. That's what I'm trying to put my time my effort I only have so many hours in a day like everybody else and I just can't fight every battle but but I can't put my time and energy into those ruling elders that that I have here at Providence and try to Inform them as to how to respond to it in a godly way in a biblical.

He's trying to maintain our vows to to the denomination to the Lord as it pertains our confession as It pertains our polity and to do things.

Now both of our Confessions the Westminster and the 1689 London Baptist Confession are nearly identical. The reason that confessions have existed and you can correct me if you disagree, but it is to state a biblical summary on the main points of doctrine that a particular church or fellowship or nomination Desires to preserve and It avoids people Coming up with all kinds of Aberrant heterodox or heretical Interpretations of scripture and Covering themselves by claiming that they see these things in the Bible.

One of the reasons why Churches are confessional is That there are many people throughout history who have called themselves Biblicists and who claim they are only using the Bible alone as their inerrant infallible authority and their only guide for theology doctrine practice and all things related to salvation and godly living.

But As I said before when somebody ascends into a pulpit They can claim things that they are teaching are biblical. And yet there will be many Who radically disagree and there will be many throughout history?

Whom these individuals would be? Contradicting many throughout history who are considered heroes of the faith and defenders and champions of orthodoxy. So How is it then that a confessional church in your opinion?

How is it that a confessively confessional church can go off the rails like this? We we have sometimes used even the phraseology that the Confessions are guardrails. But it seems that there are some that have broken through the guardrail and gone off the cliff.

How does that happen the confession of faith the larger and shorter catechism couldn't upon? Leads into many other areas. This has been a in the eldership. That's why being the Presbyterian is helpful because you have there to help men those senses when they're broke and To try to plug the gap when that doesn't happen.

Of course these views become more mainstream or more dominant. We're dealing with one right now when it comes side B. We're dealing with a theological issue As much as a practical issue and a lot of that stems right down to the question of our definition understanding of original sin in the doctrine of coccupacence and how that is Answered by the Westminster standards.

Now the Westminster standards answer that quite clearly. However, there have been some within our own denomination that have willingly either ignored Those sought ways to get around them and We haven't yet as of yet been heading off though what we have at least in some corners of the PCA.

We have some that hold to a Roman Catholic and anti-confessional positions. That's an example of one such case in which a lie It's allowed to will begin to affect and erode the confessional of the denomination and create now.

Could you define contiguous ensign also.

And also be clear about what the Roman how the Roman Catholic Church views that then regardless I am a sinner therefore I sin. It's not that I become a sinner when I sin. I'm already a sinner. Prior to some strikes at the issue of desire It have a desire to same-sex attraction that the desire itself is not.

Our confessions make it quite clear that that desire itself is sin. Whether you act on it or not is irrelevant. It is still a sin and It doesn't necessarily have to be homosexuality. If I have a desire to murder my neighbor it's a sin.

Whether I actually murder my neighbor or not is irrelevant. Well, it would be very relevant, of course, but it's still the point that the desire itself is still sin.

Yes, of course. I mean, that's what Christ himself said about adultery that right. If we lust we've already committed adultery in our heart.

Pass it our rules. Both of those overtures that sought to ordaining but that said it doesn't mean that the denomination itself as a whole wants to ordain Homosexual men. We have to be very careful here.

I don't know why people vote the way they vote. I only know what the outcome of the vote is. Can only imagine I would. Regardless of the reason we precisely because over history before what does it mean when they send the earth.

Period of time? So forth and so on there's been of Christ and what catechism that's. We are not to have any images of any kind whether in the mind or elsewhere of any member of the Godhead. That seems to be a matter in which people are company and.

Choose to. Not agree with no that latter one would be. Wouldn't it largely be due to a difference? Whether or not one Adopts the normative principle of worship or the regulative principle of worship the latter of which prohibits including anything in worship that is not specifically mentioned as either a command or a matter of a Apostolic example.

That we would have in the worship service not not in other areas of life, but in an actual worship service. Where's the normative?

So much to the people that I've. Pedagogical reason so you might rather it's unavoidable to Confessional matters that has been wrestled with but in the interest of full disclosure. I am a strict subscriptionist.

I am a. We get away from the whole concept of good altogether. Then the denomination has basically created to pin the denomination like it or not. There are conservatives. There are progressives. There are liberals and I know people don't like those titles.

They're just titles. I'm not using them pejoratively. They just are what they are. It's like if someone were to call me a Calvinist I don't get upset if someone says I'm a Calvinist. I'm a Calvinist. It doesn't bother me.

You know, they're using it pejoratively or not doesn't matter. It's true those terms and it's for sure. Well.

The PCA, Homosexuality, and the Meaning of Sin

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You've mentioned before the break When you were including a list of labels of Men in ministry and perhaps even congregations within the PCA you mentioned among that list of Descriptions that would have included conservative and progressive and liberal you've actually mentioned liberal.

Now that is usually a term as long as I have been an evangelical. That is reserved for people who have crossed the line into heresy and even apostasy. I mean are you speaking about full-blown liberalism in the PCA such as a Belief not only that somebody could be a quote-quote gay Christian.

But that somebody can be actively involved physically in that. That behavior that damnable and unnatural behavior, which God calls an abomination. And that they may even deny some of the pillars of the faith as liberals often do such as the virgin conception of Christ the deity of Christ the bodily physical resurrection of Christ the Trinity.

We could go on and on and on about Many ways in which your typical mainline denominations including many within the PC USA Would be guilty of and I said many not all. I even know some thoroughly reformed and conservative and Biblically sound men who remain in the PC USA.

But I think that they're a minority. For sure, but is that what you're saying that there are those kinds of liberals in the PCA still in leadership and ministry?

I would change to our confessional doctrine. Just like in just like on paper.

For years Before many of them decided to be honest and give up on their confessional standards the Episcopal Church claimed on paper to adhere to the 39 articles of religion, which are very conservative and Calvinist and The book of common prayer and so forth, but that was a facade they didn't really uphold to these things.

They just put them on their websites for some reason. We're talking about the people leave doesn't work itself out in its actual practice. That's what I'm getting at here within the confines of my denomination.

We have clear statements within our confessional standard which I Stop using as an administrative Means and start applying it not only theologically within the confines of the church But also practically pastorally within the confines of the church the path of orthodoxy We we would bemoan the PC USA Being a part of now.

I'm not suggesting the PCA is a liberal denomination. I'm not saying that at all. I don't want anybody to write you or write me later and say that I said that because I didn't say that. What I'm saying Is that we are in danger of moving in that direction when we fail to use our confessional standards both Theologically and pastorally and when we do not use them in both ways in which they need to be used.

We run the risk of becoming a progressively Leaning if not full-blown liberal leaning the nomination at the end of the day. The consequence is just that and that's a store nomination that has started to play loose Ends up in and so No, I don't know of any Individuals within the PCA that would deny the deity of Christ.

I hope there's none I don't know of any would deny the inerrancy of scripture or the inspiration the inspiration or Motality the five solos of the Reformation. I've never experienced a person like that.

There are people within the denomination that I don't agree with on matters pertaining to the Lord's Day and The the days of creation images of Christ and And so forth but that does not make them liberal but I'm simply using the term in the sense of Within the boundaries of our confessional standards if we begin to play loose and fast with those clear statements of our own Doctrines we run the risk of becoming that B and say well.

Yeah, I don't know why for some reason you are breaking up. I don't know why that is occurring, but it is happening sometimes usually towards the end of your sentences. But Would you say? might my immediate observation Seeing and hearing about all these things that are occurring in your denomination and elsewhere is That there seems to be a difference of opinion Amongst folks in the same denomination about How can we call God a God of love and Have such harsh views Against people who are involved unrepentantly in certain sins either in thought or deed and also the Compartmentalizing they would say some folks of Sin itself and putting sins in different categories.

Some being more serious than others and they will say that is wrong. That you very often hear people saying That as soon as the issue of homosexuality comes up, you will hear people saying hey, let's not forget A heterosexual lust and adultery and fornication is just as bad and sin is sin is sin and We can't put that certain desire in a higher category of Disobedience and on and on we could go.

But obviously well first and foremost Not all sin is equal. That's why there were only certain sins in the Old Covenant that required the death penalty. And even in the New Covenant You're not going to typically have a person under church discipline.

Because they may have eaten too much at the church picnic or if they may have lost their temper Playing volleyball. I'm sorry. Yes, right. So, but but am I somewhere in the right ballpark there that this seems to be the two reasons.

Yeah, I went in doctrinal standards by reason of stuff, you know these things King David. But you also have the fifth commandment. You got the first commandment. You've got the ninth commandment. They're really inconsequential, but the he eternal just response of the Holy God.

Whether it's I stubbed my toe and I took the Lord's name in vain or. Either one, they're all bad. But one obviously is far worse on a horizontal plane than the other.

Yeah, as far as as far as being an existence in the life of a professing Christian and member of the church that's correct and for instance the issue of The equating of Homosexual and heterosexual lust I do not believe is Proper or biblical because one is a misuse the heterosexual lust is a misuse of Something that is a God-given gift.

We are given the gift to be Attracted to the opposite sex and we sin when that goes outside the boundaries of marriage. But a homosexual desire and lust can never be viewed as Acceptable it can never be redeemed in the sense that it is.

Okay, as many Evangelicals are now saying as long as one doesn't Consummate the thought and desire in a physical act and that's actually As you were saying before about Roman Catholicism, they will ordain priests Who admit before ordination that they? Are home they will actually a call themselves homosexual, but as long as they take a vow of chastity That isn't a roadblock at all that they think that that's completely fine and acceptable as long as it remains locked within their thoughts and not become Consummated physically, but I'm gonna have you pick up on that when we return from a midway break as we're going into the middle of show already and folks Please be patient with us.

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