Episode 5 - Cussin' and Two Listener Questions

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Speaking of which well last time on our podcast we were discussing language

What it has to do with What we talked about honor we talked about integrity then we talked about the phrase.

Oh my god It's a good bad. It's a neutral Should a Christian say it if you say it what's the consequence, you know positive negative

So we're gonna be continuing that discussion today. But first let's bring some spiritual questions up in here

Warming it up. How could we have done better this week? Spiritually, what what's our where did we fail this week?

Well, I know that I failed in the respect of attitude and trust

It was a nice convicting message from some guy up there preaching this morning at our church that wouldn't

His name may rhyme with the oh, why? so anyway, but I know that specifically for me

I was getting to the end of my school week before our first first home game and I was just in a bad space questioning a lot of things and Just let it just led me to prayer to really focus on what

I was What I was doing and was I doing it for the right reason and I realized I wasn't so Got some conviction straightened my mind up straightened my heart right and moved on so It stunk but it did it did it did in the end get better got me where I need to be so Repentance turning away.

Yeah, I'm doing something different and not doing the same direction. That's right Yeah, I didn't do the greatest being a state of prayer this week, you know you

Wake up within two days. Okay, how much have I communicated God the past two days, you know, it's a a lot of times

I do okay at that, but I was pretty poor and Praying this week and being in a state of prayer with God and it showed in the beginning of my week, but Yeah took care of that.

God woke me up for that halfway through and I took care of that last week But yeah, I would say Not in a good state of prayer beginning of the week, you know

Whenever I start my day with God whether that's through Singing to him whether it's a prayer or that's the reading the rest of the day

I'm gonna write from the line when I don't start my day doing that. It takes me a while to get going So that's somewhere.

I failed this week was starting my day with God and being in a state of prayer This week

I messed up a lot with my anger I've dealt with anger issues long time something to fight on all the time and I have these

Processes or processing, you know where you go through to try and okay I know that the natural level of anger that I get when things upset me is irrational

That's like I know at the very beginning as soon as I feel anger. I know that this is an irrational amount and Like so let's calm down That's any time

I get angry and so that that's a good start Yeah, it's a general rule for me, yeah, it's just like I know that I do not feel anger in correct amount

It's always more than it needs to be. And so I Go through processes and do all that to try and say, okay, let's do it.

And if any of that fails if I'm unable to do that, then I'm just I'm just I'm just mad for the rest of day and I let you know a bad five seconds or a bad five minutes dictate

The whole day and so I'll say out and I saw that post I saw a post this is yours by the way

You can have this back. I saw a post online It's like did you have a bad day or did you have a bad five minutes that dictated the rest, right?

I said, oh crap. I'll say I didn't have a bad day I just had I just had a poor reaction to a tiny thing and I failed my process and so I've been like twice this week

Where I was it's like I was just like I caught myself. I'm like am I pouting I Got I look at myself.

I think am I pouting right now? How old am I like how I was like I've been mad all day.

I've been in a mood. I was like I was at work and all my staff were just like you Okay, thank you.

Good. It was like cuz I'm supposed to be telling people what to do. I'm just like I Just kind of mad right now

I need to fix myself and so That's something I failed man. It's a I have a tendency to whenever I Get upset.

I want to hold on to it or I want to hold on to a situation Sometimes man,

I just gotta get that stuff That that mess will eat you yeah, sometimes I recognize when

I'm making too big of a deal with something when someone asked me What's wrong? I told them and like all right. Yeah Yeah, that was the thing.

Yeah, what made you mad that you ruined your whole day? What I just told you I mean, I thought that was just the bill.

I mean that that was it. That was the whole thing right there That's what made you that upset No, honestly, that's how you that's how

I talk to myself sometimes like seriously Is that all it takes good, come on, come on, yeah,

I give myself the tough coach talk Really? It's gonna put you down 10 more yards 10 more yards.

You're the worst. Yeah Yeah, I mean that's where I failed this week

Let's talk about some language dude, okay Let's talk about some language so last week we mentioned oh my god, and we were on the precedence

We were just on great discussion and I was doing something called advocating

For the devil. Oh my gosh. I was playing devil's advocate. I was being real annoying about it

I just want to continue to do that. All right. All right So this is

Hunter V Andrew V pastor Josiah Yeah Hunter the

Andrew Yeah, we're clickbaiting it language

Okay, let's talk about words the power of words the importance of words

What are we what should we and what should we not say and why like why is it important like grand scheme of things

So I would like to let one of you open the floor Okay, so let's let's just start off recap on oh my god

Okay, oh my god I Would say that's probably not the best phrase for a person to be using

You know speaking of the Lord's name in vain It's kind of like when I used to get frustrated and I would say

God bless I think I've mentioned this last week, but I wasn't really asking God to bless something I'm saying that in vain and really

I'm just saying that so I don't say something else So really that would be an example. All right, you're not actually asking

God to bless something, right? And I think that is the idea behind When Jesus Preaching on letting me ask yes or no.

No before that He says don't take an oath by heaven or earth or on your head or just let your yes be yes

And you know, in other words Don't make fake oaths. You're not gonna be keep and have to use them You should be so honest that if you tell someone yes, it's gonna happen and you say no

So like when you say hey, can we do a little lunch? You're like probably

Right, that's not a yes or no, that's a More it's a disguise. No, but yeah, right probably is okay if you actually probably but if you really mean no

You just don't want to say it you're being non -confrontational. Yeah, you shouldn't be right. You should just say no It's not like one

Baptist saying I'll pray about it and then I never pray about it Only say that if you're in fact actually gonna go pray about it.

Otherwise just say yes I mean, I beat that by saying let's pray about it now. Yeah, I'm 100 % that person.

I'll pray about it I'll really mean it at that moment. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Someone asked me. We know that got resolved.

I never prayed for it Yeah, yeah, I said I know Yeah, we've been praying for this person and by we

I mean I am so far.

Oh my god, probably not a phrase we want to make a habit Unless of course you're using it in the exact phrase like if you're actually calling upon God As far as words in general

David said let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight.

Oh God my rock and my redeemer Jesus said out of the abundance of the heart or the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks so in other words

When we say something it slips out Normally, it's not really that it slipped out really we have been meditating on it before and it may not be true

That doesn't mean we didn't mean something by it, even if it wasn't true Finally We are supposed to have total control over our words and over our bodies

So whatever we say needs to be intentional and I see that you open my Bible to James 3

I'm assuming you want me to read some James 3 I open that up to refresh me because I knew

I would want to be talking about James 3 I would say this You know

When we talk about cussing or cursing and this and this may surprise a few people but If you're looking for a

Bible verse that says thou shalt not say and then with the 2021 American modern curse words, you're not going to find any verse like that Correct.

So it's not words in and of themselves that are wrong to say What the

Bible does say is do not let any unwholesome Filthy language come out of your mouth

And it doesn't have a wordless to what that is There is a verse in Ephesians 4 that says

Put away lying speak the truth and love instead of tearing each other down Use your words to build each other up according to the need of each one

So in other words the words of encouragement and you may need for me and may not be the same adult needs from me

Okay, so there is a certain way that I would speak to one of my fighters at the sojourn

That I may not use for my three -year -old Ava Right, right or for my brother hunter but none of that should be filthy or unwholesome or Reviling tearing down.

It should all be with the intention of building up. So here's here's my advocation argument

Just go ahead and say it it's the devil's argument. Okay, that's fine It might not be depends on how you feel about what

I said, okay So we have a moral versus ethical dilemma in my opinion right now again, morals are

What is ethics is what should be correct, right and a lot of the time morals are going to be defined by Culture so what's good in America might not be good somewhere else and vice versa.

For example in Scotland Every all the guys, you know, not really but there was a time where a lot of men were killed in America Men wearing skirts.

It sends a whole different message Yeah And I think the same thing is gonna go for language in Ireland Scotland England even

There are certain curse words that they use over there. Like it's nothing and they wouldn't have even known that it was a curse word

Right over here. That word is on you don't say it, you know, you see what

I'm saying? Yeah So I think language plays a part in that just like what is morally okay

So we're really asking Should the Christian language be formed around ethics around morals so around don't let any unwholesome speak

Well is oh my god unwholesome speak Here is the colloquial term

Oh my god, or should that be more of an ethical thing where we say it might not morally be wrong

But ethically we don't find it appealing. Can you say what you said define the two terms of ethics and more so morals?

Morality is about what is so let's say for example in America It is morally okay to abort your child because those are the laws they say the choice of the woman and all that is morally

Okay Ethically, it is horribly not. Okay, because of what should be what our our ethics come from the

Bible So that's why I'm confident saying ethically abortion is wrong. So at least in America, it's totally right

Ethics would be worldview. That's what we're yeah, I'm gonna equate that to two other terms

Yeah It's about your ethics is about what the world should be in your view and we as us we get our view on ethics from Right morals are what is

Culturally culturally. Okay. So what is right morally? It doesn't always line up with what is right ethically so you can be a moral person without being an ethical person, right?

So from this point forward whenever we say we were talking about the argument of morality versus ethics

We're looking at culture versus worldview Okay, just want to clear that up So that way all of us all of us are on the same page from where we're talking about So I guess the big question here is

Should that phrase? Oh my god, we looked at are we obeying it? Morally, are we obeying it?

Ethically, what does our look at and if it's ethically why exactly would it be at that would be ethically wrong?

Let's say first off your point about Different dress code and stuff like that.

Yeah, I think the Bible Paul would agree with it He says don't do anything that don't dress unseemly doesn't nature itself teach you doesn't matter.

So there is a sense for example, I Don't think a missionary

Should go to certain Middle Eastern countries and present the gospel clean shaven If he's a man, right because he will not

Fit in he will not Reach as many people probably right you understand what

I mean? In other words in some Countries, you know for a man to be clean -shaven is well, he's a boy right, so Yeah In other words, there's a sense in that and what you were saying about culturally acceptable and I understand all that I Think the answer to the oh my god question would be right and I think hundreds points perfect Whether or not it's morally, okay, if our ethical stances do not take the name of Lord in vain

Then that would supersede the morality of whatever the culture is But I would also say

When it comes to other curse words Yes, it is a bit arbitrary

For a Christian to say well these exact words would be curse words by God's standard

But these one that is a bit arbitrary so I do think it is

The Bible is silent on exactly what those words are, but it says whatever is unwholesome filthy or unseemly

That's what it says. Whatever put somebody down. So for example Let's just get what we know to be objective and then that gets us a framework.

So what do we know to be objective? All right, the Bible says don't tear down but only build up Ephesians 4.

Okay. Well that eliminates several phrases in my mind right now Okay, okay The Bible says not to use

God's name in vain. Okay. Well, I don't made several more phrases right there The Bible says

God total control of your mind and body. Okay that removes any it just slipped out

Okay, so far yeah, okay, so we so once we start getting these objective standards out of the way, there's only

That eliminates the majority of scenarios that we have probably just thought over described Not only leaves a few left that we can have any discussion about at all no making sense in other words

Yeah, once we get those objective ones out of the way we get a subject right, right and even there my next point would be

Come out from among them to be separate says the Lord touch not the unequal thing In other words there needs to be some difference in language and of course that goes far beyond simple cursors

There needs to be some difference in language Someone should be able to watch the way you live and listen to the way you talk and before you have even said

Romans 7 10 says this they already know they already know they know what you believe, right?

But yeah, I think we on the other side of it do a disservice if we make some type of word list and Say these are what

God says are acceptable and these are what God says are not acceptable. Shut up is a no -no word I remember being told one time that I was cursing because I used to wear a cop

Cop like police officer CEO. Yes Yeah, because it was a disrespectful to police officers.

You're calling my cop. Yeah interesting. Well, that's a good No, no, I know and it was just in ignorance because you know, as far as I know that Check on this the etymology that is the

New York cops used to wear the copper badges You remember bugs many of the coppers? Yeah, I think I'm pretty confident.

That's what it is So anyway, it's not derogatory in any way to call themselves. They had a little show about it.

It's really cool So in order to pick your argument apart, go ahead I'm sorry.

This is the role that I'm In order to pick the argument apart

I wanted to ask no Hawaiian rules with us He said this role

No Warmed up with butter and honey. What if they were comment if you disagree?

There I met you at a high speed and they hit the person behind you and you can't help it like Pelted with a

Oh, I love Hawaiian rules. Okay. I like those things play but nothing's funnier than watching the person next to you

Train our train or ship or just plain So in order to pick your argument apart, you know in order to pick your argument apart, here's this what do you guys?

What would you say it means? To take the Lord's name in vain says do not take the Lord's name in vain

You just sit to me last time I'm listening to you first now, I mean you dishing me and I'll all right

We'll say a possibility that all right vanity all this vanity So if you're going around and just saying

GD sure GD this GD that yada. Yada. It has no meaning it

Literally, you're not giving glory to God. It's the name it look very much. Does it lessen the name?

It is nothing or God bless if you're not actually saying

God bless this or What's still? Oh my god saying that that it's vanity

There's no reason for you to say you could say oh my corn And it would mean that absolutely.

No new phrase just so here's another here's another question before we continue with that one Do you think that God is his name or his title?

Like would you say God is? His name or do you say that he is

God that is his title? Well, I would say If it if it is his name

If we're if we're gonna go with the name and that would be the man that would that take like it's a name of our

God But if it's a name of our God, then I'm up then I can get behind the argument a little more

Well, but if this is like a title, he is God he or he is our God. I'd say well if I were to say

Oh my president would I be insulting or lessening president Joe Biden? You know, you know

I'm saying just like oh my god, if that's a title well Okay, so my before if I may faster before you do your point

If that's the case Then you're less than me You're not showing respect to that title like we talked about last week if you're not going to show respect the title

It's also vain to say that title So if you if you don't show respect, all right, let's use the president if you say

You use that terminology issues. Okay, you belittled the idea of the president. It doesn't matter

It doesn't matter what the presidency is. It's vain now. It's a President's here.

If you look at that, you're like, oh the president doesn't you know, the president doesn't mean anything to me

I see why you say that I would disagree though. Just saying oh my president I don't think it you know, cuz that's an argument that was used when

I was younger When I said, oh my god, and my parents would say what if I said, oh my hunter

Okay, like I never I never understood so I was wondering if that is So I'm wondering

You know, what is our opinion on the word God is it a title or is it his name well his name

It doesn't matter. His name is Yahweh, right? We say God that represents not

Allah or Rob or Thor that represents our God So right, it's the same thing.

In other words, in other words, his name is Yahweh. Yes But when we say God we are referring to Yahweh.

We're not referring to anyone else. Yeah, okay Yeah, so And I would say that The difference in those two examples is one is far more

Holy and reverent than the other So it should be held in the higher standard So the whole oh my hunter thing.

Yeah, of course you didn't care doesn't matter the point in the other one is Are you?

God is never more than repentant call away So when you say oh my god you stop

Is that really a time that you need to be calling out to God And of course the answer is no

So when it says, you know, take the name a Lord man, of course his literal name is Yahweh Right, but when we say

God, that's who we're representing. So my argument would not be That it's blasphemy or something something like that.

Oh my god, my argument would be That's probably not something we should do as nothing, of course,

I myself have done it many times my argument would be that How could that not be?

Mainly calling on him You're not actually communicating with him. So is there a version is there a possibility?

Is there a way to separate the Reference to the

God named Yahweh Versus a reference to a colloquial phrase that everybody says like what so in other words when

I say, oh my god Does that is there a way to separate like can somebody rightly claim?

I am NOT referencing God himself. I'm just saying this phrase that makes it separate.

Sure. Could you yeah, they honestly do like is it? Is that passable?

I mean technically yeah, sure is it possible should a Christian do it?

No, okay Yeah, I mean, of course it's possible. It's also possible

To have secondary meanings for words all the time But you know that your listeners will be thinking the primary meaning every time you say it

Yeah, you can you can use the same argument for any cuss word Yeah You can you can say that all day long, but is that Is that what the intent of the heart was right?

That's what the intent of the heart wasn't. Okay. Sure, but who's gonna judge that right? Who can't judge that?

That's the first question that I asked that Andrew said, what does it mean to take the Lord's name in vain?

Did you have a different answer than him? No, I think that's right. I think it is Using it in a way of Which God does not want it to be used

You're not calling out to him. You're not reading his word. You're not actually speaking to him. You're not talking about him

You are so you're not even talking about him. You are literally using Okay a guy

Used to before he was saved it goes church used to say all the time Christ on the cross. Can you hurry up?

No, okay. Now that reaction right there. Why is that different? It's Christ not

God So it shouldn't be different. It's the same thing. He's not actually

Having any meaningful discussion about Jesus on the cross. We are not actually having a meaningful description about my

God So there's no different. I will throw another disclaimer that I am playing a role that I will share my true opinion

Of course, okay, but I'm gonna say this I'm gonna say this I just feel like to me because I don't actually believe one point taking point taking.

Um, I do think Different to say to say

God versus God who the argument my character's argument is

Is a title more than a name I've been saying Christ Right crisis

Christ, but yeah, you don't nobody else ever has ever been referred to as Christ that I know

Well, that's a Jesus unless you read that one Twitter post by that guy. Okay.

Yeah We're gonna talk about There was a there was a post

I don't know I don't know the guy's name But he said that Jesus was a Christ Buddha was a

Christ just starts naming all these random people It's like that's we're all there. Everyone is unipersonalism, basically

Saying Christ Jesus on the cross you are being very that's two names or a title and a name if you want to say that That's two names and referencing his crucifixion, which is gonna be different than saying.

Oh my god To the average person because oh my god is a very popular

Low -key phrase that can be used in many different ways You can lowercase that G.

You can you know, anybody who doesn't believe in a God at all can be saying it versus Christ Jesus on a cross is basically saying

Exactly you're right, you know exactly so in other words, you can have a little bit of anonymity or a little bit of Maybe I'm talking about a name.

I'm not versus I am definitely talking about it, and I definitely don't care that happened

Do I know what you're saying? Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know my character's thing.

Yeah Yeah, I know it's good. I just hate the way he looks at me when I say this. I'm like disappointing I Let me know what your next yoga class is because that was a stretch but if you're going to do that You know

If you're going to do all that, that's fine. Well, your question was should a Christian Say that that was your original question and you have not provided your character

I'm not about anything at all convincing to say the answer. Yes. Yeah Thank you're one of your defense arguments was even non -christian say that or non

Or atheists say that that was one of your roles point. That's right. So one of your defense arguments was well atheists say it

Cool great point and see and to to that to the whole See, I can't even say

I can't say that It hurts me too much that whole you said

They may not know they they know exactly what the reference thing, okay, it doesn't matter to them

It's vanity. It's foolishness. Who cares right? It's nothing it may have not even happened

It doesn't matter or it's vanity taking the Lord's name in vain or the title or whatever representation you want to use

It doesn't mean anything. Do you put it at the same level as oh my god.

Yes It's it gets as we saw

All of us not being guilty Yeah, this is a question of whether we should or not, yeah,

Jesus is God so you're literally saying the exact same thing, right And and yeah, I want to just want to say that one more time

We're not saying that we're sinless. We've all made we've all done this before this week.

Yeah, right It's lived out. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly So this is the standard.

Yeah, this is the standard we need to live to and we don't Yeah Your character

Hector can we call you Hector? Oh, yeah, that's perfect. All right here from this point forward

You just teach Spanish for a while Anyway, so I'm Hector Just don't say don't send me an actor.

Oh, that's perfect. I've been rector Thor Continued anyway, um

Taking his name in vain. Could it also mean this and this is something that I've thought about a lot is

Do not take the Lord's name in vain do not as Hector you as hunter. Yes. Okay.

Cool. Yeah Do not take up the Lord's name in vain So in other words do not take the

Lord's name in vain and the way That I've learned to understand is a little version of that is do not take up the

Lord's name in vain In other words if I do not believe in God or if my actions declare that I do not believe in God Do not claim that I do

So in other words if I were to say I wear a cross around my neck I've got a

Bible boot I've got a

Bible verse Tattooed on me yet,

I am not a Christian and I know it or I do not adhere to what

God says and I know Like I might fool myself into thinking that I'm a Christian and there are hundreds and thousands of people and well

As I speak right now, everybody listening knows somebody by name who fits this description Think I'm a

Christian Yet, I'm definitely not I don't act like it or anything like that. That's Bible verse.

I got the cross on me And I'm dragging the name of God and the reputation of Christians his followers through the mud

So would you consider that taking God's name in vain I Take his name claim him for myself and yet it's worthless

Well, yeah Well, if it's not knowingly that's one thing but if it's knowingly it's even worse, but yeah, of course, that would be

Sort of throw that one out there. Yeah, that's cuz I just cuz I like Well, thank you

Hector. Yeah. No, I'd agree. I think that it's it if you're if you're knowingly doing it

And then that's a whole nother story. Like that's our that's it. That's the next level of I don't care

That's evil strategy. Oh, yeah. Hey guys, so much. You are strategizing to drag

Christians name That sounds like a Bible thing, did you just use scripture to back up your point?

Yes Oh, you shouldn't point a you shouldn't do that. No your point right there was not taken. Don't do that around Hector Okay, I'm gonna break character for a minute to say my

Welcome shoulder Welcome back at the meet got it.

I'm ready. I got this. Well, I'm gonna say my piece Well Hector, here's some things that I would say to against your point

Everything is permissible, but not everything is profitable Sometimes wisdom and discernment need to outweigh

Your eagerness to speak Or your lack of thought and what you're doing

There are reasons that I do not cuss Let no one wholesome speak come from your mouth.

Jay of the entirety of chap James chapter three. I think we're gonna need to read that at some point for sure

Okay, and you know, you can take that into account, but that's gonna be my secondary reason My number one reason is to follow this command let your light shine before men

Right to be a difference the and that's literally that is my that is what

I think about every time I want to cuss and done don't um is The easiest way to separate yourself from other people's language and the way you speak and that's why

I love that's why you opened up the Conversation with my main point is people know that you are different before they ever

Hear you talk about anything spiritual. Yep You know, I've had jobs where you know, it might take a couple weeks, but they'll come up and say do you not cuss?

Yeah Yeah, do you not cuss Don't cuss no say really

I'll give you a hundred dollars to say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I want you to do it. Yeah, really? But you know

I'm saying like they desperately want you to and they you know, they fabricated did you just cuss

Really I thought I heard it No, and I I don't have to defend myself because everybody else in the room knows.

Yeah, he didn't cuss He know we know he didn't cuss because that's something that I take very seriously and if I fail everywhere else

Then that's one thing that I can still do that is very obviously letting my light shine like I'm not gonna live like that I'm different and it's amazing how much it's such a small like It's a small change that makes a huge impact on people.

Yeah, and that's what I do I talk about this with my friends all the time I'd say do you know how much funnier

I would feel if I cussed like sometimes in my joke It'd be so much funnier to me sometimes just to throw in something like that but it's so easy not to and To make that difference and it's not even a sacrifice.

Yeah, you know I'm saying. Yeah, I was like It's just such a small thing that makes such a large impact

There's no reason not to do it and When it comes to stuff like oh my god

It's one of those things that I legitimately I did not want to think about because it's one of those things I just didn't want

But in truth if you think about it, and you put it in a perspective It's probably something you should do It's probably not

When you come to something like oh, yeah like because I would see this is a big deal

But when I look at the facts, and if I follow my own rules for myself have discernment

Be different let your light shine You know I'm saying like okay Everything's permissible not everything is profitable is it profitable for me to say oh my god

Is it does it help me run the race? Does it you know I'm saying then I have to say

It's not profitable So like my final answer yeah, it's permissible

It's not profitable. Yeah, yeah, it's not profitable so sometimes there are things that you need to give up and there are things that you need to sacrifice

Some of them are bigger than others because this one isn't that big Sometimes you just have to make that decision

You know I'd be remissed if I didn't quote Patrick Starr, I would do it We're just using those sentence in the hand

The whole episode about them cussing okay, go ahead and try and use their sensor. Oh, I can't

I can't Nobody can I just want to hear you try I Can make a lot of noise

I Don't know

Yeah, cuz we have a Listener question

Well We have two questions we have two

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Two questions today and we have time for both of them. So here's what we're gonna do first question

I'm gonna direct towards the pastor Josiah the Bible says It's absent from the body then present with the

Lord when a person dies Does that mean he or she immediately stands before God and it's an instant heaven or hell at that moment question mark?

Oh Thank you the question. Okay All right Yeah, so Right now

If a Christian dies, they immediately go to be with Jesus How do we know that Can you ask you from the bodies to the present with Lord Paul says to depart and be with Christ would be far better Jesus looked at the thief on the cross and said what today

You will be with me in paradise. Where is Jesus? He's sitting at the right hand of God the

Father in heaven When Stephen was being such stone the next chapter seven, he looked up. He saw Jesus standing at the right hand of God Notice he was not sitting.

Oh, yes one of his own was Being killed. So yes when

Believers died they meet and they go to be with the father Yes, when unbelievers die, they immediately go into outer darkness now

What is cool is that? Those believers still have something to look forward to and that they do not yet have their resurrected bodies.

Their spirits are with them But the great judgment day Doesn't happen till the end of the millennium

Now when believers get the resurrected body at their rapture and all that the dead in Christ rise a lot

So they'll be united with their bodies At the end of judgment at the end of judgment when

God creates a new heaven and new earth That is where the eternal state is that is where Streets of gold pearly gates all that stuff.

That's new heaven new earth So that part's not right now, but the simple answer the question is yes believers are in heaven with God right now

That's where they're at. They have their spirits. They have no crying pain sickness none of that They don't have the resurrected bodies yet, but they will one day

And that will be even better But as you see the believers in Revelation looking forward to that day when we get a glimpse into heaven

They're looking forward to that day. And that's the same with first Thessalonians second Thessalonians was talking about. Yeah.

Yes Yeah, because the the the believers in first Thessalonians asked that same question. What are our loved ones doing right now?

And the answer was they're in eternal bliss with Jesus and with God the Father But one day their spirits are there their bodies will be resurrected into a glorified state

So long story short Yes, there is an immediate instant upon death

Ascension in the heaven or descension into we'll call it hell The eternal state will be both of those parties will be united in their bodies and their bodies so Yes for a fact.

We know that our loved ones are with Jesus. Their bodies will be resurrected at the rapture Very good

Okay, I'd take that point anything Earlier when you said my main point is this

I'm so mad And most people don't get that joke, that's okay.

Yeah, I'm one of those Maine, Maine and Connecticut States. Oh, yeah Listen to a question.

Yeah. Oh, man, just this I didn't mean that you're You right on off Alright This is from I think

I can say his name Yeah, this is from one of our members here when

Lee Stewart lovely yes, great guy Forgiveness, I'm really sarcastic great guy.

I love the guy forgiveness and forgetting When do you forgive if the person you were trying to forgive never stops doing the action?

You're trying to forgive him or her for should you forget? should you forget forgive someone and their actions and understand and under what circumstances which so we're talking so the question is is basically if somebody you're trying to forgive someone of a specific action that you're doing they're doing but You've talked to them and they're just they're not changing that you're trying to forgive them, but they're just not changing

What how we how would we? We're talking I think it'd be profitable to first say what are we called to do?

So our situation is a repeat offender with no intention of changing Are we called to forgive a person who?

Asks for no forgiveness, or are we required to forgive a person who does not plan to repent the answer is yes

Guys we aren't called to just forgive the repentant. We are not called to have anger cold anger and resentment in our hearts

Our sins ourselves are cast as far as the East is from the West We forgive because we are forgiven

And I think that's the first thing the first thing which I think is woven into the question he understand

I know I'm supposed to How do I what is the thing?

This person who continues to do it continues to do it Don't forget that forgiveness isn't about The stopping of the original sin so in other words

I can it's easy At least easier if pastor

Josiah were to punch me in the face Right And then he stops punching me in the face

At some point I eat forgiving him will be easy because he's not still punching me in the face

It becomes more difficult when he's continuing to do it, but this is a question of responsibility

I am NOT responsible for what pastor Josiah does What he does is on him

I'm responsible for what I do Right. So when I was young, like I said earlier in the podcast

I had troubles with anger and Whenever somebody would egg me on or be up be mean or do something bad and I would explode

My dad would punish me and I'd say Why I was like, you know, and he said

I know exactly what happened, but you're not responsible for what they do You're responsible for how you handle it and you're responsible for what you do and so I Am NOT responsible for somebody if they want to keep sending against me if they want to keep doing something bad

They want that's not my business I'm called to forgive and that's not contingent on their repentance it's

You need to forgive them If that means I don't expect them to stop

That doesn't mean I'm not going to be bothered by it It doesn't mean that I'm not going to be hurt when they hurt me

It just means I am going to be humble enough to not consider myself more important than what

I'm called to do So if I say man, it's really hard to do this because they keep hurting me.

They keep hurting me How much do your feelings matter in comparison to your calling by God and It's so much easier to say from right here when

I don't have a specific thing in mind personally But when you're dealing with that is very difficult, but the brass tacks the big facts is this

Then actually didn't mean for that to run the big fact is this I Am responsible for being obedient to God Regardless of what anybody else is doing, even if it is a personal attack upon me.

I Am called to forgive Not to hold a grudge not to hold anger not to hold resentment so Be careful when expecting something in return as in repentance or sorrow or a

Change in attitude from the other person when you forgive Because that is not necessary for forgiveness.

It makes it easier. It is not necessary As Christ has forgiven us so we must also forgive

Well, Jesus didn't wait for any of us to say we were sorry. Yeah. No, I do want to give a side note that's gonna sound like Easy way out, but it really isn't

People Misunderstand the difference between justice and forgiveness Forgiveness does not take away justice

For example your sin God forgave your sin But the price still had to be paid for it

The price still had to be paid for it. It's actually something that separates us from Islam in that Islam Allah forgives and then whatever injustice was done

It will never justice never done In Christianity the God of the Bible God forgives, but the payment for sin is still required

So Jesus was still crucified There's still gonna be in other words

God is a perfect judge perfect judge have perfectly equal scales

They will be balanced out on the end That's why somebody will be paying for your sin.

It will either be Jesus for you Because every single hidden thing will be revealed

Every wrongdoing will be accounted for nobody gets away with anything If Christianity is true, which it is

Nobody gets away with anything It will be paid for either by Jesus or by us

So forgiveness is not a removal of justice Forgiveness not a removal of justice

Forgiveness is an attitude of the heart It doesn't even remove temporal earthly justice.

Someone could have done something illegal to you and there still should be temporal justice done to them

Forgiveness is an attitude of the heart not of the outside only and that is not a

Yeah hunter, but that is a in conjunction with Forgiveness has to do with the heart it is

People think that the only type of forgiveness is mercy in a way That's not

Forgiveness is of the heart Temporal justice God calls for that Eternal justice

God is that there's not an absence of forgiveness though Correct, and there's no scenario.

Well, there does not need to be an attitude of forgiveness in the heart That Does not always mean a removal of justice.

However Just like God's law was merciful even though there are Punishments attached to them.

I don't think of all God's commands Ranked in the most difficult as forgiveness.

I am I was actually talking to Jeremiah brother Jeremiah the other day About the most difficult single verses in the

Bible to obey Yeah There's some of them that are like First, you know first people be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect.

All right, I'll get right on that Husbands love your wives. Oh, there's a comma just as Christ loved the church

Yeah, forgive just as Christ has forgiven you see if you just left all the just as Yeah, I was comparing me to God, yeah

So, yeah, it's uh, let me it's 214 do everything without grumbling or complain

Mostly when I'm grumbling or complaining I tend to stop thinking about that verse Yeah, yeah, but I say it's one of the most difficult because it is the one of the most difficult acts of humility

So if you're if you're gonna ask the question how? Like, okay. I know I'm cold too. I know to keep all that in mind.

How? Does one forgive? The only way and that I have found this is me speaking personally on how to forgive

It's an act of utter humility that far exceeds

Any basic Humility that would that you would You'd show anywhere else.

In other words, it's easier for me to say. I don't know. You know what I won But it really wasn't me.

It was my trainers. This was that, you know, and be humble in that It's a whole nother level to say my call to forgive is more important than half than me

In the fallen human state forgiveness trivium, this is unnatural. Oh, yeah It's on that it goes against everything in your being because even if you have a low opinion of yourself

That's still a pride thing You know I'm saying like even if you don't consider yourself much you do

You still hold how your view of yourself higher than truth And so at the end of the day when you have to forgive somebody who is a repeat offender with no intention of stopping

Then you have to say You know, what's more important than me is my calling to forgive.

I Have to consider myself less important than the directive. I've been given by God And that is the hardest part and that's why

I say it is an utter Act of complete humility to forgive and that's why

I think it's the hardest thing because I struggle with that That's that's a difficult thing to do

Forgiving when they don't want it when they don't ask for it when they definitely don't deserve it, but you know, who else didn't deserve it

You know I'm saying Well, it's a earlier pastor Josiah when you're talking about The Justice it's still there regardless of forgiveness

There's two accounts in the Old Testament. You can look at Noah mmm, because the

Ark was a Was an act of mercy he could have killed Jonah He could have killed.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's another one But he could have killed everybody every and just started right back over again, but he did he saw

One man took his family put him in an ark killed everybody else Yeah there even though there was mercy involved and this is one of the things

I'm trying to make sure my service students know is the two main themes of the story of the story the historical account of Noah was

There's wrath Will be paid poured out and there's mercy that God will give.

Yeah Whenever they wanted and the other one. Oh, yeah, and the other one is Solomon more

Fuck, but let me find ten people Okay, I couldn't find people. How about what was the next number?

Let me find one person Okay, how about 40?

It was like it was the easiest business deal you've ever heard I just agree to go on that go on that town of a hundred thousand people and find ten dudes who loved

God Well, I mean he started what if I found 50 guys like Sure, yeah

Just like Cuz I know like this isn't really a debate you like you're not really talking me down fine

God showing I I think you could say that that was just a point of mercy going Alright, she'll have this conversation you can do that, but at the end of the day his wrath still was poured out for justice of Yeah, they were doing and then what?

Who turned around it was lots of lots wife He said run go straight.

Don't turn around. Don't worry about it Oh, yeah, I don't know how you see was that insulting about it, okay

You know, I actually But I like that because It was he had a heart for the city like pain.

I kind of want don't want them to be destroyed and God's saying Which is I can put a listen to my point.

Yeah, like I I'm being kind of like, okay About 20, okay, sure

Okay, if we find 20 because and that that's the way it's like man. We couldn't find

Anybody I am now you understand a little bit more from God's perspective Of why he's doing that because you know, hey, man,

I don't want this place to be destroyed I know you don't what if why I thought you can you can ask me a number

Ask me a number. Don't ask me how many to find I will look You know, which is the complete opposite?

Jonah work because Jonah's like No, you need to eat.

I am so excited for when you kill everyone there and God's like no They're repentant.

Yeah, they're coming back to me. Well, no, no, that's not what you said You're gonna do you said you wanted to kill everybody and that's what

I'm excited for. I'm gonna sit here Can you do it and God's point? You have more mercy for a student plant that I destroyed more than you do for 120 ,000 those who don't know

Remember God destroyed the plant that we're in shade It's like why'd you take away my shade man

You know the account ends there. Yeah, we don't have It ends right there.

We don't have an account of Jonah's repentance or not. We're not sure he just sits there waiting Waiting for God's wrath to be poured out.

Maybe Jonah just stopped writing Anyway, give me the opportunity but just to reiterate those points that the

Has to be that there would be no reason for grace or mercy if there was no wrath, right?

Right. I mean, that's why Isaiah 53 Says it pleased him to crush

Jesus severely on the one hand it was Grueling and heartbreaking for him to pour out his wrath on the other hand.

It pleased him because his wrath was satisfied Well to conclude

This wonderful episode. I've had a really good time Hector had a really good time spoke to him during the break.

Yeah, he really loved Conversing with you guys Yeah, we'll bring back

Hector someday we'll bring him back Next time we have something for him to talk about but uh, let's uh, let's recap real quick language the power words guys it's the intent of the heart and Use discernment when you speak in other words, does it is it letting your light shine?

Are you being separate among men? Does it build up?

Yeah Is it profitable? Does it help you run the race? And I'll think of all these things not even just in how you speak, but how you think and what you do

It just covers speech as well Sometimes and in the last episode

I brought up Proverbs chapter 4 ponder the steps of your feet Don't you let your don't look to the left or the right but keep your eyes set before you and that is going to include and just need to have a little discernment about Yeah, I might be allowed to do this

And maybe one of these episodes will talk about free will free choice Versus determinism and all that but I have the ability to do whatever

I want to But is it profitable that I do that sure and do the people and Hebrews it says therefore

We have a great cloud of witnesses around us And we are being watched especially if you say

I am a Christian boy. Oh boy. Are you being watched? so your language is a great way to Make that difference and to build up and to have profit

Let our prayer be that of David I forgot about this till today. So I'm 141 verse 3

Set a guard. Oh Yahweh over my mouth. Keep watch of the door of my works

But James chapter 3 We could have made this whole episode reading

James 3 So go home and study James now, I feel bad for not using enough scripture in the podcast

Go home and read James 3 and if you don't feel convicted Congratulations. I don't know how it changed for you.

Yeah, you're the perfect man. Yeah Yeah, you are able to tell you if you are able to tame your tongue You are a perfect man able to tame every part of the body.

Yes No, there are those of us who have doubts that you are that man. Oh for sure. You're not Yeah, you're not

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