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How can a young Christian keep the faith in a social justice world? A 2 Timothy 2:2 conversation between Pastor Jeff Kliewer and Kyle Robinson
Welcome, my name is Pastor Jeff and this is Kyle Robinson. We are here to talk today about social justice. And the question that I'm going to ask you, Kyle, is how can a young Christian keep the faith in a social justice world?
That's the issue we have. So as a pastor, I have no righteousness of my own. The only way that I sit here justified before God is because of the blood of Jesus Christ. I'm not more righteous or holy than anybody.
I'm a sinner. In fact, I'm a chief of sinners. But I believe in Jesus Christ. And part of being a follower of Christ is to follow what he says. In 2 Timothy 2 .2, he says, what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.
So the point of this video, Kyle, is I want to sit down with you. You're a young man. You're in high school. And I want to ask you about what it's like to be a Christian in a public high school in New Jersey.
I want to ask, what are your experiences? And we can talk about those things. But my goal in this is to disciple you, not with any wisdom that comes from me, but to take the scripture and say, this is what the Bible says about a given issue.
And this is how we can apply that as Christians in this world. So let's go ahead and do that. We'll talk about gender. We'll talk about abortion. We'll talk about race and the Black Lives Matter movement.
We'll talk about government and money and all different kind of topics that all can be summed up under this idea of social justice. So before I give you the first question, which I'm going to ask you what it's like for you, and give me a story about being in a public high school.
Before I do that, what is social justice? Social justice, I think, is a religion that many people are following. It's a religion because people are zealous for it, like someone else might be zealous for God.
It's a cause that people serve that's bigger than themselves and that they can lay themselves down for. And the concept behind social justice is liberating the oppressed. So it's identifying who is being marginalized or oppressed or hurt in society and stepping into the rescue to deliver them from that.
So the point of oppression could be any number of things. It could be someone who's being persecuted because of their race or a heteronormative person persecuting or victimizing an LGBTQ person. Or it could be the male dominance in society and how that holds women beneath a glass ceiling.
Or it could be economic where somebody has more wealth than another person and therefore the poor have oppression because of that. Any number of issues. But these concepts of bringing equity and inclusion and diversity to the society is kind of what social justice is all about.
So that being said, the reason for this video, I want to hear from a high school student.
And I want to know what it's like.
You're a Christian young man in a social justice world. So tell me, what is it like for you?
Well, as a Christian in a public high school during a social justice era, it can be difficult for people to stand up and say what they believe because it's not only being followed by the students and posted on social media and popularized and just the norm, but it's also being taught by the teachers.
Like, for example, on abortion, I was in biology class and my teacher was telling us all about the embryo and how doctors can see if an embryo is going to be a baby, if it's going to have a disability or like autism or sickle cell anemia or anything like that.
And she was implying the idea that it is not right for parents knowing this to bring a child into the world and then it should be aborted. And when I said, well, I don't think that's right, and I don't agree with that because I believe the Bible.
And the Bible says, do not commit murder. And I know this is wrong and God values all life. And when you try to step up and say it, you're kind of made a joke of and the teacher just kind of laughs and says, well, you're not very responsible then.
So that's just one example.
And so are you the majority at your high school?
No, I'd say I'm a very slim part of the population. I'm a minority being a Christian high school.
05 All right.
So for an issue, let's say what you brought up, reproductive freedom, they call it. Reproductive justice, even like the just thing in this social justice world. Up is down, down is up. Right is wrong, wrong is right.
Sweet is bitter, bitter is sweet. Isaiah 520, they will say that justice demands that a woman have a right to choose. But why would we say that a baby has a right to live? Well, how do we differentiate between these two opinions?
There's one way to establish that, right? If it's just your opinion, my opinion and somebody else's opinion, that's there's no objective standard, right? So how can a young man keep his way pure? By guarding it according to your word.
Psalm 119 verse nine, the word of God answers this question. So is the embryo inside of a mother, a human life? Yes, it absolutely is. And how do we know that?
The Bible, the Bible, right?
Psalm 139 says, it's David speaking and he says about God, you knit me together in my mother's womb. He was me while he was in the room, in the womb. So he was being knit together by God, but he was already identified as a person, the personal pronoun me.
God identifies the embryo in the womb as a living human person. In fact, John the Baptist, when he was in the womb, leapt for joy when Mary came into the same room with Jesus in the womb of Mary. So the Bible clearly identifies the baby inside the mother as a living human being.
So we can stand on that.
Yeah.
So in your class, out of, what is there, 30 kids in there?
Around 30, yeah.
How many agreed with you?
I don't know if any did, maybe one or two.
I don't think so.
All right, so here's an irony. So you have the social justice world where the majority oppresses the minority group. Hasn't it flipped at this point that in America, to hold to the teachings of the Bible is now the minority position?
Definitely.
In your school, there's no doubt. All right, so here's what I want to do. Let's take a couple different social justice issues and talk about them one by one. And not just making up stuff as if our opinions matter.
Pastor Jeff's opinion on this does not matter. But God's opinion does, right? So let's go to Exodus chapter 20, and I want to read from the second table of God's law. So God's law, the 10 commandments came on two tables.
And the first four commandments were vertical. They were man relating to God, that you're to have no other God but Him. That's the first commandment. You're not to make any idols. You're not to take the Lord's name in vain.
And you, what's the fourth one? To remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. These are vertical, meaning this relates to how you relate to God. And then the next six, the second table of the law is how we treat one another.
So here's the issue. Someone might say to you, Kyle, well, you're not loving because you have a certain position on sexuality or on race or on gender or on finances. But what is love? That's the question, right?
So if we're to love God and love others, the question is, what does it mean to love? Love has to be in keeping with God's truth. So if you're telling somebody a lie, are you loving them?
No.
No, right. Okay.
So let's start with gender. The fifth commandment says, I'm sorry, this is the, yeah, the fifth commandment. It says, honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
Biblically, gender is prescribed by God. In this verse, you see, honor your father and your mother. And there's a promise that's associated with this. If you honor your parents, your days will be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
So there's a blessing that comes from honoring the parents. And what you have taught here is a reflection of the original created order. In Genesis chapter one, God makes them male and female. This is God's design.
Gender would be a binary. There's a male and there's a female. And in marriage, they come together and children come from this. And this then is the basic nuclear family where you have father, mother, and children.
In the world that we live in, is the nuclear family honored?
What do you see at your school?
Well, in my school, I just think that a lot of kids are doing the opposite, not really honoring their father and mother, beginning with their worship, other things other than God, and they want to live for themselves.
But also now, especially now in not only the Black Lives Matter movement, where they speak of disrupting the nuclear family, which most people, the high minority are following, also LGBTQ, they want to get away from having a father and a mother, and they want to have a father and a father and a mother and a mother, which goes against the Bible and against God.
Right.
So you just said something interesting. Black Lives Matter, that's ostensibly about race, right?
Well, so you mentioned this before we started this video, and so I Googled it and we looked it up, the mission statement or the statement of belief of Black Lives Matter on blacklivesmatter .com. So their own words, right?
Let me just read from blacklivesmatter .com. We disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family structure, the requirement, by supporting each other as extended families and villages. Like Hillary Clinton, it takes a village.
And that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable. So rather than supporting the nuclear family, the language here is to disrupt the nuclear family.
Then he goes on, or the website goes on to say, we foster a queer affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather the belief that all in the world are heterosexual, unless she or he disclosed otherwise.
So the Black Lives Matter agenda is to disrupt the nuclear family and foster a queer affirming network.
And that goes against Black Lives Matter in itself.
How so?
Where the biggest telltale sign of whether someone's going to be successful or not successful comes from, are they going to have a mother and a father in their own household? Because if one of them's missing, the statistics show there's a very high chance that they're not going to be successful, or they're going to end up in prison, or unemployed, or just stuck in poverty.
Hmm. So are you saying that the narrative that white privilege and the whole racism of society, the societal built-in racism is not what's creating the disparities of outcomes in people's lives?
No, it's not.
Right. You're right about that.
Have you heard of Jordan Peterson?
I've not.
Jordan Peterson, he's a professor in Toronto, and he's done sociological studies on this, trying to trace out the connection between things like if you're raised by your father and mother, and other factors such as height or even appearance.
And all of these factors kind of run through the matrix. He found almost no correlation between race and disparities, but most of the disparities could be just kind of parceled out based on just a few things.
One, if the father is in the home, living in the same home. So there again, we have the nuclear family. Number two, if a person has children inside or outside of wedlock. If you wait to have kids until you're married is one of the biggest predictors of outcomes.
Interesting, isn't it?
All right, let's go on.
That's what the Bible says.
If you do it God's way, that's neat. All right, so then the next thing is the next command, you shall not murder. When George Floyd was murdered by a cop, who do you know that supported that officer?
No one.
I've never met anybody.
Yeah, no one.
When 600 ,000 babies are murdered inside the wombs of their mother, more than maybe 50 of this country supports that murder.
Probably over 70 of my school.
Really?
So this is the rejection of God's law. You shall not murder. Next, you shall not commit adultery. Biblically defined, sexual morality is not immorality, but the moral sexual ethic is one man and one woman in marriage.
LGBTQIA plus rejects that teaching on the face of it. How prevalent is that at your high school?
It's very prevalent. LGBTQ history is now, it needs to be taught in history now. It needs to have at least one full lesson, but now it keeps growing each year. And now there's LGBTQ clubs, and there's GSA, which is Gay Street Alliance, and a lot of new clubs coming in.
And Pride Month is a big thing among high schoolers or teenagers or just young people in the world today. And if you go against what they think, they'll just think that you're a homophobe because you're Christian.
And they'll say, well, God hates gays, so that means you're homophobic and you're just doing this out of hate because they're just too blind to see that it's actually out of love.
So you don't hate gay people at your school?
No. Yeah.
What would your desire for them be? Would you want to see them come to know Christ?
Yeah, that's just the main goal for everyone that I meet. Just want them to know Christ and know the love of God and just know His grace and everlasting life.
I knew a young man back when I was living in Florida who his parents had been missionaries. And when he came back to the States, he fell into homosexuality and then even into male prostitution and all kinds of just a horrible lifestyle that was destroying him.
Even though he had been raised in a Christian home, he himself had not been born again. There came a point in his life as he progressed through his 20s, he came to believe in Christ for himself. And you know, Jesus Christ completely delivered him from not only the practice of homosexuality, but the desires for homosexual relationships.
He was set free by the power of Jesus Christ. And you know, he's not the only one I know like that.
I know many people like that. Here's the interesting thing.
If there's one person who is, if I'm not lying to you, or if this person isn't lying to me when he tells that story, it completely destroys the narrative, which is that people are born a certain way and nothing can change that.
Dismantles it.
It completely destroys it, right? So in Ephesians, I'm sorry, 1 Corinthians chapter 6, referring to the subject of homosexuality, it says, such were some of you. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
So somebody listening to this video might say, well, see right there, the Bible is hateful. It wants to condemn people to hell. If I were judged based on what I've committed in my life, I would go to hell.
I'd be sent to hell because I'm a sinner like anybody else. But look at the rest of this story here. It says, and such were some of you, but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God.
Amazing. And I noticed in that scripture there, it doesn't just point out homosexuality because a lot of people are under the illusion that Christians are against gay people and the LGBTQ. And we just are homophobic and we think that God hates gay people.
No, God hates sin. And homosexuality is one of those sins. And I'm just as guilty as anyone else in the world. And I deserve hell too. And it's just, if a Christian or anyone witnesses to you and tells you to turn away from this lifestyle and follow Christ, it's not because they hate who you are.
It's because we've been where you were in that same situation. And we just want all people to come to Christ. It's not out of hate. It's out of love. And it's sad to see in the churches even today are trying to compromise the new lifestyle with the Bible.
And when you try to compromise, you're not walking in love anymore.
You're walking more in fear of society and you're walking in compromise.
Absolutely. That's exactly what it is. Because it says, such were some of you, but you were washed. You were sanctified. You were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. His name has power to set the sinner free.
He is able to do that. And he does it again and again. There's thousands upon thousands of testimonies of people who have been set free from homosexuality. Just like there are thieves who have been delivered.
Read the story of John Welch. He grew up in like a Christian home. But by the time he was a teenager, he was off on his own. He had run away from home. And he became a thief on the border between like Scotland and England.
And he would go back and forth just stealing from homes. But at some point, the Lord drew him back. He came back, repented of his sin, and became one of the most powerful preachers this world has ever seen.
He was a thief, but completely delivered. I mean, one of the things when he was so powerful preaching the gospel, he got kicked out of Scotland. The king who was anti-Christ kicked him out of Scotland.
So within 14 weeks, he learned French and began preaching in French. And there wasn't long before the French king came and attacked the city of Ayr where he was preaching the gospel. And no, that was a, it wasn't called Ayr.
That was the Scottish town. But the king sieged the town. The people built the fortifications around the town. He shot a cannonball over the wall. It hit not just the preacher's house. It went through the wall of the preacher's house into the bed where he was sleeping and split it in two.
But missed him by an inch.
Wow.
He ran out of the house where he was, tried to rally the people. The gunners were scared to get up on the wall. So he himself grabbed the powder keg and ran up to the wall. Another cannonball from the king hit the, he was using his hat to hold it, hit it out of his hand.
And he had a second near-death experience. And then they got on the wall and shot back at that gun and blew up the king's gun on the first hit. And the city was delivered from that siege. That's history.
That's not...
It's amazing.
It's not a fairy tale. He continued to preach the gospel. Eventually made it back to London, preached the gospel on his deathbed. He was allowed to preach in London one more time. And he got out of his deathbed, went to the pulpit, preached, came back and died.
Why am I telling this story? It's the power of God to change somebody. This is a thief who was just living on the border of Scotland and England, who was so completely changed by the gospel. He lived this life of power in the Holy Spirit.
It reminds me of the Apostle Paul, whose job was to kill Christians, which is amazing. He was just a Jewish teacher who believed the Old Testament. And when the Christian movement started, his job was to kill Christians and stop them.
And on his way to go capture and kill the Christians that he could find, he was stopped by... He was blinded by a light and a voice called to him and said, Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? And he said, Lord, Lord, who are you?
And the voice was Jesus. And he just turned from...
His name was Saul.
And then Jesus turned his name into Paul and became a new creation in the eyes of God, similar to the story he just told. And just completely did a 180 and wrote most of the New Testament.
And the irony there is, listener, the person who wrote these words is the very Apostle you're talking about. First Corinthians was written by Paul, and he's the one that said, such were some of you, but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
So the world is going to tell you that it's hateful to try to change a person. And even like counseling to try to help somebody come out of homosexuality, that's called... That's even outlawed in many places.
I think it's outlawed, probably in New Jersey. But you can't outlaw the Bible. The Bible, the word of God overpowers sin and changes the sinner from the inside out. It's a beautiful message. The Lord has the power to change us.
I was a sinner who was dead in my sin, but Christ came into my life, transformed me. When I was in college, I went to Eckerd College down in Florida, and I was a basketball player. And there came a point in my walk with Christ where I started to doubt everything.
And I didn't know because I had these liberal professors that were saying that the Bible was full of myths. Have you heard that at all?
Oh, yeah.
And contradictions?
Many times, yeah.
So there came a night where I just... Before God, I opened the Bible and I said, Lord, if this is true, show me. And the Bible fell open to Micah chapter five, verse two. And it said, Bethlehem, though you are small among the tribes of Judah, yet out of you will come the one to be ruler of Israel.
And I knew in that instant that the Bible was true because Micah, writing these words hundreds of years before Christ came, just said the birthplace of the coming Messiah, that he would be born in Bethlehem.
And Jesus was born in Bethlehem. And that's how my faith in Jesus Christ was solidified when I was in college. Just completely changed my thinking. So many people doubt the power of the Word of God. They doubt the Bible.
They don't think that it's true. How did you become a believer in Christ?
Well, I was a freshman in high school, and I was raised Catholic and was baptized and confirmed and went to CCD my whole life. And I never really thought much about the Bible. I never doubted that Jesus was real or the Bible was true.
But I also had an image of God being kind of small and like a fairy tale, you know, long, long ago, far, far away kind of thing. Yeah, I think there's a God. I think there's a Jesus, but I'm so small.
I don't know if you can even hear me kind of thing. And I was more focused on just living for myself and just doing what made me feel good and just so focused on myself. I didn't think too much about God.
And my brother said one day, he said, hey, let's go to church. I was like, all right, it's fine, because he said, we're going to go play basketball after, but you got to come to church. That's what he said.
I said, all right, that's fine. And then I came here and Jeff was preaching, and it just opened up my eyes so much because it just hit me like all this stuff I never knew. I was thinking I was going to CCD and thought I was learning about the Bible for the last, since I was in first grade all the way through eighth grade, and I didn't know any of this.
And I went the next two Sundays, and I learned more in just three services than I have my entire life. And not only that, it hit me. This is true. This isn't just some book. This isn't some other religion where you have to earn your way.
It isn't like I have to do all these things to be good enough. And the Bible says you're not good enough, and you can't make on your own, and you're not saved by your own merits or for your own works.
There's nothing I can do so great that I can earn my way and earn God's love. It's you can do nothing. I'm already dead, and you need a Savior. And I was born again when Jeff was preaching. He said, everyone, let's pray.
If you want to be born again and know Jesus, raise your hand. And I just said a prayer with him where he said that, Jesus, without you, I am blind. Without you, I'm deaf. Without you, I'm crippled. Without you, I'm dead.
And it hit me like a wave. I am completely lost, completely dead without you. And everything in the Bible is true.
Yeah, yeah.
In Ephesians chapter 2, it says exactly what you just said. You were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience, among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath like the rest of mankind.
A couple of interesting things there. One, people who are just following their own passions are led by their emotions. What they feel is right. What they think is right. They're led by their own course, but they don't realize they're following the course of the world.
And as we look at social justice, that's the course of the world right now. That's this tsunami wave of opinion that swept over the world. But not only following the course of the world, following the prince of the power of the air, the devil.
Behind all of this, there are demonic forces. The devil is orchestrating things. So this is some bad news right here because it starts off by saying you were dead. You were blind and deaf and crippled and dead.
I was all of those things.
Dead and sin.
That's a really bad state.
But.
There's a but.
So do you want to read that?
Is it Ephesians 2 .4? But God, being rich in mercy because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ. By grace, you have been saved and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
But. Wow.
You can stop right there. But God, just those two words right there that God stepped in. How did he do it? He sent his one and only son, Jesus, into the world to die the death that we deserve, to rise from the dead.
And he does the same kind of thing in your life that you're dead in your sin, but God intervenes. He sends the gospel to you. You hear the good news about Jesus Christ. And then he awakens you. He gives you life that from the inside, you believe your heart leaps forward to Christ because his spirit is at work in you.
It says being rich in mercy because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead, made us alive together in Christ. By grace, you have been saved. What does that sentence mean to you?
By grace, you have been saved.
By grace, you have been saved. This is just, there's nothing you can do. And God doesn't need us. He was already living in perfect communion with the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. And he's all powerful.
He can do anything he wants. There's nothing he can't do. And we're just little beings. And we just, we're not much of anything, to be honest. And then, but by his grace, for some reason, he does want us.
And we can't do anything on our own. We're nothing compared to God. We already sinned. We already deserve hell. And he'd be just in giving us that. But by his grace, he saves us. He chose to do it on him, not us, all God.
Jesus chose to save us by his grace, not by anything of our own.
Amen.
That's gospel truth right there.
All right.
Now we're going to wrap this up by bringing it back around to where we started.
Okay.
The last three commandments of the Ten Commandments. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Thou shalt not covet your neighbor's property or his wife or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
These are the commandments of God. And what I'm saying is that the movement in the world that's called social justice is against all of those commands. So let's just think through. The elements of social justice and why they're against the command of God.
And they bring death. They don't bring life. So we talk about things like gender. Social justice is against the nuclear family. God has prescribed that in the home, the husband would be the head of the wife.
I could have just said a curse word right there to the social justice world. The husband is the head of the wife. Do you believe that?
Aren't you like, aren't you?
What do they call that?
Misogyny?
Yeah, that wouldn't fly too well today.
No, and it's not flying well for the world. But how does that work in the Christian home? Is that working for Christians?
I think it is.
Where the biblical pattern is followed, where the husband takes the lead in the home, right? It doesn't mean domineering. Headship means leadership. And the metaphor of the husband being the head of the wife pictures in Ephesians 5, the way that Christ is the head of the church.
So how is Christ the head of the church? Here's how it is. He lays down his life for her. He washes her with pure water and the word. He loves her so much that he's willing to sacrifice for her. So when I say that in my home, I'm the head of the household.
Yes, it does involve elements of leadership, but it also involves elements of sacrifice. That I need to be the first one to step to the table to apologize when I'm wrong. I need to be the one to exert my energy to do the hardest things that have to get done.
I have to be the one that takes the responsibility to train my children in the scriptures. And my wife also does a great job with that. But the pattern doesn't mean domination. It means that there's a role, a biblically defined role.
And I'll say it even extends beyond the home in a sense. In the church, the only one who should be standing up behind the pulpit, proclaiming the word of God authoritatively are men. You shouldn't have female pastors.
Did you know that?
I did know that.
Yeah, good. I knew you knew it. But so how would that fly at Cinnamon Sin High School?
Not too well, especially considering the amount of female teachers too, where teachers are kind of the head of the classroom.
Now, do you think that that's biblically wrong for there to be?
No, I don't think so. Just especially now with the social justice and the people saying that they want equality and that women should be the same as men and that everything should be the same and women are just as good as men and can do everything they should do or can do.
And to say that men should be the head and women should follow in a household like that, which would go against everything they're teaching and everything they believe in.
Right. What about the idea that someone can just pick what gender they are and transition?
That doesn't make too much sense to me because I just think you're born one way and that's how God made you for a specific reason.
Right. Has anybody ever changed their gender? No, their chromosomes. No, biologically, no. A person can only essentially mutilate a body. But you can't change the gender that God has created. And when a child has some kind of gender dysphoria and feels that he's a boy trapped inside of a girl's body and they begin hormone treatments at age 11, you know what that is?
That's child abuse.
That's child abuse. And biblically, we understand that. But social justice teaches the exact opposite. That's the kind of the T in the LGBT. Right. Okay. So we talked about gender. We've talked about reproductive justice, which is the worst lie imaginable.
Biblically, thou shalt not murder. We've talked about LGBTQ and God's biblical sexual ethic, which still stands. He's still God. He still gets to define the sexual relations of his creation. He's God.
The human made in his image are not supplanting him and defining things now, right? He gets to define that. Now, let's take a little bit of time to talk about race. Because over the last couple months, race has been the biggest subject on anybody's mind because of what happened with George Floyd and really the response to it.
So the teaching of the culture today is that anybody who's not a person of color is oppressing people of color.
Do you have a problem with that?
Yeah, I do. I just, well, I mean, from the biblical perspective, I just think there's really only one race, the human race. It's just silly to me how some people, I guess the majority of people, want to create division amongst the population because of something so insignificant as skin color, which is just the amount of melanin someone has in their skin.
It's just so silly how that would even work. Especially right now, I think that the Black Lives Matter movement is a lot of fallacies and a lot of lies that are being taught. And I mean, the thing I'm just most grateful for is that God doesn't look at skin color, and He just looks at the heart, and that's how we should all look at people.
I mean, MLK said that he hopes that we wouldn't be judged by the color of our skin, but the content of our character.
Right now, I think that from a legal system and from the laws, everyone is completely equal under the law. And you can't really stop individuals from being racist, I guess, in their own self. You can't stop some individuals, but the United States isn't systematically racist in any way.
I agree with you. Now, biblically, what you're saying is that we're all one race, right?
So, do you even accept the category of black-white as a binary?
Act 17. I love the little pauses. Act 17, 24. The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is He served by human hands as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.
Now, listen to this. And He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods in the boundaries of their dwelling place.
Every person comes from Adam. So, that's why you say that there's one race.
We all came from the same person. And what's awesome is I remember Billy Graham said this one time. He was talking about John 3, 16, for God so loved the world. And it does not say that God so loved the white man, God so loved the black man, God so loved the gay man, or Africa, or Asia, or America.
It said God so loved the world, He loves all people, that He sent His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. So, it's not just, well, we're this race, so we're in God's favor, and you're that race, and you're over there.
No, He loves us all, and He had a plan for all of our lives, and He set us on our own course, and we all come from the same Adam and Eve, and we've all fallen in the sin. We're all like that. At one point, we're all just dead people walking, and that's a common factor of all people that we just need Jesus, and we're all in the same boat.
So, who invented this idea of Angloid, and Mongloid, and Negroid, and all the different quote-unquote races? Well, that developed culturally over time. And then, of course, Darwin was the one who promoted that evolution brought forth different races in different places, and created these categories.
So, which is it? Did God make all people from one man, Adam? In which case, there's only one race, and the difference between people is just about how much melanin is in your skin, which really has more to do with how far a person was from the equator as micro-evolutionary changes took place.
Not macro, meaning there's not a change from one species to another, but people who, for generation after generation, procreated in Scandinavia would have much less melanin in their skin because of the conditions of the environment than someone who was very near to the equator.
It might be a light-skinned person or a dark-skinned person, but it's always going to be a person.
It's just a person, right? So, there's no difference biologically. So, now here's the real kicker with what social justice does. It grabs that evolutionary model of Darwin, and then it does something else with it.
It takes one part of humanity and calls that group a person of color, and then it separates out those who are supposedly white, which I don't know about your skin, but you were at the beach the last week or so, right?
So, is there anything white about your skin or my skin?
I'd say it's more of a light brown.
Yeah, just a light brown, but to be called white, what is the reason for that? It's to create this binary between person of color and white, and then to take the next step and say, well, the white is oppressing the dark person of color, whether it be any ethnicity that's not from a European descent.
So, to create that binary and that system of oppression, this perfectly defines cultural Marxism. Marxism is this idea of oppressor and victim, right? Marx wanted to see the overthrow of basically the West, capitalism, because he saw a proletariat and a bourgeoisie, and the people with power and money were oppressing the poor.
That's how he saw the world, just kind of two systems, the rich versus the poor, and he wanted to see the overthrow of this. So, basically intentionally stoking division to bring about a revolution, right?
Well, that didn't work in America. It worked in Russia until it fell apart, and what communism always does, it worked in China and Venezuela and Pol Pot and every place where it was tried, it failed. But in America, Americans said no to communism and this whole Marxist system.
So, what happened? Did the Marxists just quit?
No, it seems like they're kind of going strong in our society today.
Stronger than ever.
But now it's cultural Marxism, so it's not just rich and poor, it's any area of difference you could imagine. It's skin color. So, there are Marxists, hence the BLM movement, which is Marxist, who come in and pit people against one another, whites versus people of color.
I think Adolf Hitler was quoted in saying that if you let me control the textbooks, I'll control the world. And he also said, if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough, people will believe it. And that's kind of what's happening now, especially as the younger and younger people are, it's just becoming a norm.
They're starting to believe that there is a really large gap and that there's an oppressor victim relationship and that it's kind of just like cultural Marxism now. It's just being taught at a fundamental level.
Absolutely. Well, it was Lenin who said that, who cares if two-thirds of the population is killed if the one-third that's left is communist? That's pretty evil. That's like some Thanos stuff right there, like thin the herd.
Yeah, really.
But that's the Marxist mentality of destruction. There's no concern about how much has to be destroyed as long as what comes out of it is this rebuilt utopia. And their utopia is diversity, inclusion, equity, where everything is equal.
So is capitalism or communism more biblical?
Say capitalism.
Capitalism. And that comes from the Ninth Commandment. Sorry, the Eighth Commandment. Thou shalt not steal.
And I think Paul talks, kind of justifies capitalism in some ways when he talks about converting wages into, or labor into wages.
Yep, yep, absolutely. Yeah, Timothy Kaufman has that great video on that for anybody who wants to look that up from Sweet Social Justice. He talks about that. So capitalism is biblical because it's built on the biblical ethic of private property, that you own the possessions that you can control, that you have acquired by your work, that you've traded for as you've used money to make that trade, that you have private property that no one has the right to just come and confiscate.
But a command economy like communism, and this whole Marxist idea, is built on the concept that government can come and seize your wealth through taxation, not for legitimate biblical means like the defense of the common good, so police forces and military, things that are prescribed in the Bible, but for whatever social engineering they want to do.
So if they want to redistribute your hard-earned cash to give reparations for slavery, a Marxist would say, go for it. A capitalist would say, that's stealing for them to come and confiscate your wealth backed by the force of government, meaning if you don't give your taxes, what will they do?
They'll take it.
They'll take it. They will arrest you or they'll commandeer it somehow from your bank accounts.
Yeah, I mean, everything in this whole social justice category is just completely backwards.
It's completely upside down.
Yeah. Yeah.
All right, well, you made a claim and this one I'm going to kind of draw on statistically through the realm of just looking at reality as it is, because all of reality belongs to God. So biblically, I agree with you, there's only one race.
So to keep pressing the categories of people of color versus whites is itself unjust. But if we just look at it, just assuming those categories, looking at the statistics, you said that systemic racism is not really a thing.
It's not really happening the way the BLM movement claims. So let's just take an example of that. The BLM movement claims that, like LeBron James says, that people are just, black people are just getting hunted in the streets.
And the police are just shooting black people left and right, killing unarmed black men and women and children all the time. And this is a huge systemic problem within the police force.
What do you think?
That's just a big lie, I think, because if you look at the actual statistics of cops killing people and killing black people, it doesn't add up because white people are killed more than, or white men are killed by cops more than black men are, but obviously there's a higher population of white men.
But then you look closer and say, well, if black people are being arrested at a much higher rate than white people are, and white people are still being killed more, then it's actually, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than black people.
Well, I'll just let you talk.
Yeah, no, you're right. And there's a Wall Street Journal article that kind of lays out all of those statistics. For example, last year, I think it's either nine or 10 unarmed black men were killed by police.
It doesn't sound like a genocide to me.
And 20 unarmed white men were killed by police. So when you compare those numbers with the millions of police contacts with whites, blacks, any race, there's just no statistical way to say that the police are systemically hunting black people and killing them.
And then I also saw an article by Matt Walsh where he actually, it's from the Daily Wire, where he actually looked at every one of those instances of people being killed unarmed by the police. And in many of the cases, there was a threat to the life of the officer where someone is using a car trying to pin an officer to the wall, or someone's trying to grab the taser and has actually tried to grab the weapon of the officer.
All these factors come into play as well. So even of the nine or 10, not all of them were unjust. Now, some of them are. That will happen. You're not going to get rid of all evil in the world. It's just impossible.
We can't just ban racism or ban anything.
Well, the number one cause of death of black men under 44, I think, is black-on-black violence. And that, when you look at Black Lives Matter movement, it actually goes against the safety of black people.
Because like we looked at before, the nuclear family and having a father in the household is, prevents violence from happening from other, from their children. And if there's a mother and father in the household, the child is more likely to stay out of crime and be successful.
But when that is disrupted, the cycle will continue and go on. And then we add the disruption of the nuclear family, keeping the cycle moving, and also the abortion, hundreds of thousands of black babies being killed, it's reversed to what they want you to think.
They're actually killing black people at a much higher rate. And it's just, they're creating a big illusion.
Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was explicitly a racist who was trying to kill black people. So who, who can support Planned Parenthood, which is founded by Margaret Sanger, and they continue to plant their abortion mills near black populations as much as possible.
So they're explicitly racist, and yet Black Lives Matter partners with Planned Parenthood. They're in, they're in league together. So how is that the pursuit of justice?
You know, there'll be a lot of people who would watch this video and say, you're two white guys talking about race. You don't even have a right to talk about it. What would you say to that?
I mean, that just, it's kind of just an unveiled argument. And in my opinion, it doesn't make much sense because, I mean, we're all people, we all live in the same society. And I mean, that's like saying that someone without a driver's license doesn't have the right to talk about.
DUI or drinking and driving should be illegal. Well, it's saying, well, you don't drive, so you shouldn't talk. No, we can all see what's going on, have an opinion of our own. We can all look at the same statistics and come up with our own opinion.
We can see that we can all seek the truth for ourself.
Yeah, absolutely. And that whole view, which would say, well, you know, white people can't speak to race, only a black person could know what it's like to be black and therefore have a valid opinion about these issues.
That's what's called standpoint epistemology. Epistemology is a study of how you know things. You know things, according to postmodernism, by your standpoint. So, your experiences from your standpoint tell you what's true.
And truth is only what's true for you. It's a subjective truth. It's not an objective truth claim. And so, postmodernism and standpoint epistemology would say, well, you have to be black to know what racism is and to talk about it.
And if you even try, Robin DiAngelo, that's white fragility. You know, so even to have this conversation is racist in that worldview. But here's what's wrong. And then I'll pass it back to you. What's wrong with standpoint epistemology is it's a complete rejection of the Bible.
Our epistemology, our way of knowing things is God's word. God informs us what's true. He gives us categories of justice. He helps us to understand. He gives us his Holy Spirit. And we, like you said, live and experience the world just like anybody else.
We have access to the same statistics, the same reality that we live in. So, if you utterly reject standpoint epistemology, then somebody can be angry and blue in the face about us talking about race.
But it doesn't change the facts. Facts don't care about your feelings.
Yeah, exactly. I was having a conversation to a kid. He's in a grade below me, but we're having a conversation. He's black, and he's part of the LGBTQ community. We're talking back and forth for a while, and it basically ended with him saying that he doesn't care about the statistics or anything because he's black and gay, and I'm white, so I oppress him.
And he's saying, if you're white, and you're straight, and you're Christian, you're the biggest oppressor in the world, and he's black, and he said, I'm black, and I'm gay, so you oppress me. I'm a victim.
And then he said, and you don't have the right to talk because you're just a white church boy who's too blind to see.
Well, this is the religion of social justice, and that particular aspect is intersectionality,.
Right?
Intersectionality is looking at how your different points of oppression all come together to make you doubly oppressed. So, if he's black and he's gay, then that gives him two points. Now, if he was a woman, then he would be even more.
That's a triple threat.
That'd be the triple threat.
If he was an immigrant, two, and if he was poor, man, if he came from a poor background, this guy would have all the authority in the world. He could be Hannibal Lecter killing people left and right. I don't know the guy, but he would have all the authority to speak in the world under that system because intersectionality gives points to how much oppression you have.
But that's fundamentally untrue, and it's just a lot.
Yeah, definitely.
So, circling back around then to the next commandment there, the ninth commandment, thou shalt not bear false witness. If somebody says, like LeBron James, that blacks are being hunted in the streets by whites in this country, first of all, I reject the whole binary of white and people of color.
Is that not false witness?
It is.
It's just not true.
It's a big lie.
If people say that the system of justice in this country, starting with the police, and then the sentencing of criminals, and all the way to, I don't know, the whole process of incarceration, without evidence claiming that all of these systems are racist, is that not false witness?
The statistics don't back up that charge.
So, this is the ninth commandment. Then the final one, the tenth, is coveting. Thou shalt not covet. Paul talked about how this was the commandment that really slew him. As he looked at some of the other commandments, he thought, all right, thou shalt not murder.
I've never killed anybody. So, well, he kind of did have a part in the killing of Stephen.
Thou shalt not commit adultery. You know, many of these commandments, he thought outwardly he was obeying them. But what he realized is that coveting is in the heart, that you just desire something that belongs to someone else.
And because of that covetous desire, you envy and you might commit other sins to get.
Those things.
But even the desire in the heart is sinful. I think that social justice itself is an entire religion built on coveting.
I think you're right.
Coveting what belongs to somebody else.
And people, I think, at a fundamental level with just their heart will pretty much want to do whatever they can to get what they want and what other people have. And they're going to use every advantage they can get to get where they want to be and reach their goals.
So, if that happens to be race or gender or sexuality, they're going to use that to get to their end goal.
And the thing about this religion that is social justice that it's painful to watch is that it doesn't bring life. It just brings death. A person who goes down the road of social justice will necessarily become increasingly bitter and destructive and unthankful and ungrateful and angry because the desire of social justice, cultural Marxism, is to divide.
The point of it is to cause chaos and to make people angry and divided and hateful. And it wants to bring the whole system down. Western civilization, which kind of grew up out of biblical ethics, it wants to tear it down and build this utopia based on communism and a command economy, which ultimately will be the worst oppression that anybody could imagine because there's always going to be some power that fills that void.
There's never going to be a complete sharing of goods, you know, from each according to his ability to each according to his need. What will happen is a ruler will come in like Mao Zedong or Pol Pot or whoever it was, Stalin, and they will kill people and take power and command the economy.
So the antidote becomes far worse than what they're fighting against. You're not going to get a utopia out of this. But on the more individual level, the person who's buying into this, so they're listening to this race narrative from Black Lives Matter.
He's a 10-year-old kid who's hearing the talk from his dad. His dad sits him down and says, son, I got to tell you, this world will never let you succeed. The white man is out to get you and they talk about the police and how you have to be aware that the police want to kill you.
And when they turn 16, you know, if you get pulled over, you keep your hands on the wheel and you better be aware that this police officer is wanting to kill you. This whole narrative that's being taught to young, quote, unquote, Black men and women is completely destructive to their lives.
It was Walter Williams who he's an economist from Temple. And then I think now he's at like George Washington University somewhere. He's an African-American, as if that's a thing, Black, whatever, professor who said the most discouraging thing that he ever saw was in the 1980s, a young man who was about 12, 13 years old came up to him and they were talking about what he wanted to become when he grew.
Up.
And the young guy said, I wanted to become an Air Force pilot. But then I realized that the white man will never allow me to be an Air Force pilot. And the kid left and Walter Williams was so disheartened by that comment because he said, this was decades after the Tuskegee Airmen flew in World War II.
Decades later.
But the cultural message to this child was the white man will never let you succeed. So what did this kid do?
He believed the lie.
He just went his whole life believing the lie.
Convinced that the white man would hold him down. He didn't enroll in the Air Force and he didn't believe that through the power of God in his life, he could do and achieve what God's calling him to do.
Yeah, that's just very sad.
The ideology is the problem. The person who's constantly beating this drum that you're a victim, you're a victim. And what you need to do is stand up against the man and fight the system and change the system.
And speak out and all of these. This kind of rhetoric is the very thing that's destroying people. Whereas the gospel offers the exact opposite direction. It says you come broken and responsible and say, I am responsible for my sin.
I'm a sinner. And you cry out, save me. And God rescues the sinner and changes you from the inside out. And then you live by the principles of that book, the Bible.
I think this all could have started in the Garden of Eden.
Well, when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, just living their life, the devil came to them and said that if you eat this apple, if you eat this, you will be like God. And God is kind of oppressing you and keeping you as this person.
And they said, if you do this, you can be like God, which is what's going on now. They're saying, if you do this, if you follow us, if you listen to this, you can kind of overthrow that. And you can have the same value, the same equality and same everything as everyone else.
But that's not even going on anymore. It started in the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve just wanted to be like God. And they had a covenant problem after it was brought out to them and said, this isn't enough.
And we need to be like God.
That is exactly right. Does God make everything equal in this world?
No, not even a little bit.
Does God have the right to not make things equal? Does he have the right to prosper Job beyond any other person to where he was the richest man in the East, to give all that wealth to one man, Job?
He has a right to do whatever he wants.
Does he have the right to take away from Job and make him the poorest man on the earth to the point where all of his children were killed? All of his cattle, everything was destroyed. And he was left scraping himself with a pot shirt and reduced to nothing.
But you know what Job said in that? He said, the Lord gives, the Lord takes away. But blessed be the name of the Lord. That's the Christian attitude. It's gratefulness. Here's how I look at it. And I've had periods in my life where I lived in the inner city.
We bought a house in Kensington for $27 ,000 and we lived there. And we had very little too. We had little income living there for many years. So I know what it is to have little. And I know what it is to have plenty, to have little or not enough.
Or, you know, God is, I know what it is to be in either of those circumstances. But I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. The Christian attitude is to say, even if I have nothing, even if I die to live as Christ, to die as gain.
Everything I have above six feet from the ground, six feet under the ground, is just grace. I'm owed nothing. The world owes me nothing. God owes me nothing. Every breath I have is more than I deserve.
And so every gift that comes into my life results in gratitude. And so you live this life of being grateful. You're thanking God all the time. You wake up every day joyful because He's given you even the simple pleasures.
Like I get so much pleasure out of mowing a lawn.
You know what I mean? It's such a different way to live life as a Christian versus a social justice warrior.
Yeah, especially to think that we all deserve hell. And to wake up every morning and just breathe air is just such a privilege.
It's such a mercy.
So we're talking about social justice. My point in doing this video with you is to have a conversation with you. Because hey, it gives us a chance to look into the scriptures and say, what saith the Lord, right?
What does the Bible say about these issues? I want you to succeed as a Christian young man. Succeed in the sense of holding on to your faith. But not only you, every high school student, and every young adult, and every boy, girl, person on the planet that watches this video.
I want them to hear about Christ. And I want them to understand that social justice is a pseudo religion. It's a false, fake religion that's vying for their allegiance. It's built on lies. And I'll kind of close with this analogy.
Then I'll kick it to you to kind of close this out. There is a writer for Desiring God, a friend of John Piper. His name is Greg Morse. He's a black guy. He talked about how he went for a walk with his wife and his baby in a stroller.
And they went around the corner. And as they came across the way, there was an old woman, white lady, walking towards them. And she turned and crossed to the other side of the street. And crossed the street on the other side of the street.
He passed her and went home and thought about it. And what Greg Morse says is, I could have written a Facebook post about this and gotten thousands of likes and comments. All I would have to do is say that I was a victim of racism.
That this woman crossed the street as I was coming. Because she saw a black man, she felt threatened by it. But he realized, and this is his worldview because he's a Christian. He realized that to say that, to say that because of racism, this person crossed the street is bearing false witness against that woman.
And he gave a number of examples of what could have explained this woman crossing the street. And it would take Gnostic knowledge, some supernatural secret wisdom. What Vodibachan often talks about, ethnic Gnosticism.
You have to be a Gnostic. You'd have to have some special way to read into a person's heart to know why she crossed the street. So what he concluded was, he doesn't know why she crossed the street. Maybe she has some reason other than that.
And he can read the article. Gave all kinds of different reasons why she might have crossed the street. She might not even have noticed them coming, him and his wife and their baby.
I know when I walk my dogs, people from, they see me come, they just cross the street. Or if I'm walking on the same sidewalk as someone, sometimes I'll just walk the other way.
Well, one of the examples that Morse gave, it could have been COVID.
Could have been COVID.
She could have been afraid of COVID. Like, how do you know it's race?
Yeah, that's true.
And that's so often the case in all of these things.
Okay, we'll go here.
Even that Derek Chauvin guy, who we all saw that video and thought, that's horrible.
What is this idiot doing?
There was nothing in that to say that it was because of race. I mean, some people said they work together. So they might've had a personal vendetta. And that was true. They had worked together. Other people say that it's some kind of like psyop that the government planted this guy.
A lot of people have that theory. People have all kinds of theories as to why. But you'd have to have some special knowledge as to why. Unless he had been posting KKK stuff on his Facebook. Or he was shouting something or else.
Or if he yelled Allah Akbar, maybe it was a Muslim terrorist. You'd have to have some reason to call it racism. But all of that rioting over an issue with George Floyd. That the guy died at the hands of a cop.
But this particular person was arrested and was charged with murder. And everybody agreed that what he did was evil and sinful. So there's two competing worldviews here. There's a biblical worldview. And there's a social justice worldview.
So let me just let you close it out here. And we'll circle back to the original question. We've looked at the Ten Commandments. Well, the second table of the law. How we love other people. And how that relates to all these social justice questions.
What is it?
How can you live in this world as a Christian? When social justice is just taking over. It's what the teachers talk about. It's what the other students talk about. It's if I try to watch NBA basketball.
I'm seeing Black Lives Matter on the court. So you're growing up in this world now.
I guess by guarding your faith according to his word.
You're going by the word, not by the culture.
It's just got to hold fast to your faith. And go back to the word. And realize that it's a lot more important what God knows about you. Than what other people think. And people, I guess our whole lives are going to try to try to make judgments of each other.
And accusations of people. But at the end of the day, only God knows the heart. And he knows who you are. And we're all just sinners. And we've all fallen short of the glory of God. And we all deserve hell.
And we've all come from Adam. We're all the same race. We're all people. And we have one common thing. It's just we need Jesus. And Ephesians 2 .8, you've been saved by grace through faith. Not of your own doing, but a free gift of God.
And it's not a result of works that no man may boast. So no one person can do something so great. And that another person can't turn their way. No, we're all the same. And sin is even in the eyes of God.
Christians are not homophobic if they tell gays that they need Jesus. No, they need it just like I need it. Because I'm a liar. And I'm guilty of all the commandments. And we're all just people. And we need Jesus.
Thank you, Kyle. Appreciate you coming in.