Black Lives Matter - The Real Agenda

It's that it's fascinating to me how easily someone in one religion can find the fallacies and biases in another religion. I think that what's fascinating your raise your razor-sharp on your your your criticism of Islam here.

Yeah, and but what I find fascinating Jeff is that you recognize that with other religions.

But you don't do it with your own because I that may be the case. And there's that confirmation bias coming up again. Apologetics live to answer your questions. Your host from striving for eternity ministries.

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So we are gonna be live tonight. We're gonna deal with the topic of black lives matter. That isn't not even controversial. No one's even discussing it online at all. But we do have a couple of special guests first.

I'm gonna bring in dr Silvestro a regular here and he wait who's that that you have next to you?

Anthony, well next to me is the second best-looking guy out of us three. It's a.

Mike Stockwell, so I guess that makes you the worst-looking guy out of us three. Well, I'm glad that you admit to that early. Barely didn't understand. So, mr. Mike Stockwell you are when we get you to introduce yourself for folks who don't know here you are with.

Cross cross Countries, I call it now because you're going international cross countries. Evangelism is what should be Galaxies. Yeah, how about you let folks know who you're like what you do and.

What how people can get a hold of you? Well, my name is Mike Stockwell up from Long Island, New York. I'm part of a ministry called cross country evangelism. I co-labor with Robert Gray. He's also a full-time Minister.

We go out into the public forum and we preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. Our website is cross country evangelism dot-com and We are in a down right now with the chaotic way that the the world is. We're just kind of going day by day and Doing whatever we can do hand out tracks and share the gospel in every way we can.

That right now. We're looking forward to when things get back to normal so we can get back to normal.

Yeah, and Frank here is calling you machine gun Mike, you know carry machine guns. Do you? Did you see those. All. Right, so we're gonna have someone else that's gonna join us that is gonna be someone you guys are gonna see more often in The politics live.

He's gonna be helping out sometimes. Co-hosting hosting before we do. Anthony. We should we should start off with the announcement that we still have not gotten answers to some things. No, wait, do we we know?

Yeah, so of questions. We asked 12 questions. Let me read the questions. I'll read the questions and we could talk about the response that for but who they're for right? These are for these are questions that we've had for anyone who's been watching our projects live.

We dealt with a some dangerous doctrines from a Mike Reed he. It's hard for me to say pastor in case these things that are these doctrines are true. I if they're true, I can't call him pastor, but he's at a church in in.

And I forget the name of the church Davenport, Iowa Grace Fellowship Church, okay.

So you guys have done a series of things about his doctrines and I came up with 12 questions with some help. From listening to you guys and talking to you guys. These are 12 questions. We wanted to get answered from Mike Reed and.

So these are the questions and I think they're pretty clear. Tell you where I think we at least it seems he stands on things.

Well and and to be fair right we because you know. He felt with when he talked to me on zoom phone calls and why he kept telling me he didn't want to come on and answer questions. Because he said there was just long answers.

You decided to distill these questions down into literally 12 yes, and no questions except for the last one. Yes 11. Yes or no. Yeah, one a little explanation, but literally 11 years to know. And then Kevin Yones.

Also added in another five or six questions on top of that which are also yes or no questions. You may not know that Andrew get those. Yeah, that was also sent to Mike Reed and his elders and and those questions were also yes or no.

And those questions were very simple. Have I Kevin Yones or Jen? Slandered you in any way. Have I or Jen, you know his wife lied about anything. We've said right several questions like this were very pointed about.

What Kevin did in his three and a half hours in his in the interview?

Did he lie about anything? So these are very easy questions for Mike to be able to answer because he accused me and well you and indirectly me of Allowing slander and even participating in it. And so the challenges that I had for him if these things are true.

If these the answers of the any of these questions are yes. Then that wasn't slander. It's truth, right? And so slander requires lying for the purpose of defaming someone's character or reputation. So here's here's a dozen questions from Mike Reed that we'll get to the the answers we got.

So number one. Do you meet with women alone on a regular basis? To. Did you ask details about do you do you ask details about spousal intimacy. Number three? Have you ever said to not trust the elders is to not trust God?

For have you ever said whatever the elders would counsel you is it for your life is perfect. Five. Have you ever said that GFC Grace Fellowship Church is the only true church in the Quad Cities? Six. Do you believe the elders have nearly unlimited authority in the lives of their congregants.

Number seven? We. And number six is kind of interesting with black lives matter discussion because he was saying that he was talking about slave masters that the Congregation being slaves supposedly in the the pastors being the slave masters so that could fit in well with tonight.

Seven. Have you said if someone owns guns? Not the kind on mark on Mike's arms there. But if someone owns guns is in the military or police they have a premeditated murder in their hearts. Number eight.

Do you share the details about counseling sessions with other members? Number nine. Do you ever imply that men and women should be able to kiss someone else on the lips? That is not their spouse. Number ten.

Have you ever? Shared details of your own sexual intimacy with any Any of the people in your counseling sessions with members of the opposite sex? Number eleven. Do you believe you are infallible against sexual?

Immorality. And number twelve by name what specific pastors theologians and or teachers have condoned The practice of meeting with women alone in counseling sessions. And so we've had those questions out for two weeks now.

And Anthony as as you know, we did get an answer back. Would you like to hear the recording? Yeah.

Yeah, I heard you got you got something recorded. So yeah, what is what is the answer that we got my greed? Here we go.

Crickets. So we should we should introduce this fourth person for tonight's show. This is problematic. Do we really want to do this? I don't know. Yeah. Oh. There is there is Justin Pierce. Introduce yourself to the audience and let folks know where you're at and how they could find you.

Okay, I'm pastor Justin Pierce Frank Kroberg pastor Justin Pierce grace reform Baptist Church here in Blountville, Tennessee, we're a small church as Evidenced by the fact that we're reformed I guess.

We're we do evangelism. And of course that makes us doubly small we we love to go out and share the gospel with as many people as we'll hear and we Thank you very much Marcy we we we actually it's our heart and our desire to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ to edify the saints to bring them up to to teach and train and disciple the saints of Almighty God to to be equipped for the purpose of the ministry that God has set for them and We'll do it.

Anyway, we can. I've been doing Evening devotionals for the past few months and it's because of this kovat hoax and he I said hoax because of all this going on I decided to do a evening devotional and we've had quite a few people that have jumped on board and I I am very grateful for the opportunity and you guys contacted me and And asked me if I want to do this and as you know, Andrew, I just I Did I paid you quite a bit?

Well, I don't remember what it was. I had Mike come over to Anthony's house and he's strong-arming him I Would not want to be strong-armed by Mike Stockwell though, that's that's danger. That's uncle Mike there.

He's a big teddy bear is what he is. He's loud and scary, but he's a big teddy bear for anybody doesn't know him.

So so, okay first off. When we put up comments on screen people in podcasts have no idea why you just thanked Marcy. So Evening pastor Justin you got at least read the comments when you when you respond well, I'm learning and and and there's Anthony Anthony responding in comments and So people are gonna think it's me when it says he bribed us and no one gets to know why.

That was Anthony putting that out there just for the record. All right, so Justin you're gonna you're gonna help us out sometimes and as Not too many folks publicly know I've been a little bit busy I'm not getting into details of why but I've been carrying a couple of extra hats and jobs and Just been doing a lot more preaching locally, and so I've I'm drowning in a lack of time and you came to save the day.

So I'm gonna I do want to go over a little bit and I don't know, you know, we I Just I went to the website the black lives matter. Oh, well. And they have a couple things. I found very interesting there.

They actually tell you what their goal are, you know. You know, you're not I find very interesting about this. Just off the bat of reading it I Didn't see a whole lot about Black lives. I saw a lot of homosexuality.

Saw a whole lot about where's the one line? We disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family structure required by supporting each other as extended families as villages as A collective. Hmm. Wait, isn't that right out of Marx's book?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, just just thought I was out of his playbook. But that's really what we're gonna talk about is is what their agenda is now. Let's start by the fact and I'm gonna hand this most of us off to you guys and probably be quiet for a bit but I want to start off with saying, you know, I think that it is.

What what happened to? George Floyd. What was a tragedy? I don't think he was a man that we should be holding up and honoring. This is a criminal who was arrested a multiple drug possession and charges.

It's not that there's something That you know, he is he's not a a someone that's a like a hero in in our society. He's being held as one. But I think by a false standard it's false narrative and I'll say I'll just say why.

Well We've seen time and time again with these attempts to try to make issues of racism. What I find is that most of them have nothing to do with racism. You know a guy's Michael Brown standing up saying hands up don't shoot he was shot in the back.

No, he wasn't. He was shot in the chest while someone was while he's punching the officer so hard his eye popped out, right? So we have all these cases, but here's the thing that I see with this one is We've yet to see anything that shows that this is racist other than the fact that it was a white officer and a black Guy what happened was wrong.

Yes, I think that this officer we do know that the officer and and Floyd knew each other. We that they used to work together and from what we can tell from different people that the officer had issues with him.

I I'm guessing but I think this was just a control happy officer that got his his day that he thought he could teach Floyd a lesson and It got out of out of control and he rightly is is in prison. Or gonna be.

I mean he's he's arrested right now, but there is son. I didn't notice what was the the cry for justice. What did we see? It was a cry that the the cop wasn't arrested. Then it was a cry when he was arrested that all three of them or the other three weren't arrested.

So the other three were arrested then it was a cry that there was third-degree Manslaughter not second-degree manslaughter. And so it got moved up to second degree and then it was a cry. We have to defund all the police.

Why would we need to defund all the police because of what one officer did is all the officers Responsible for what one officer did because if that's true. Then can we take that same logic and say that all blacks are responsible for the rioting that has gone on?

I know that any anyone that's thinking would say no you cannot blame all blacks for the riots that went on. Why? Because it wasn't their fault. And it's not the fault of every good officer who several of whom have been slain this week for doing what for protecting and serving the public for trying to prevent people from being looted and robbed for trying to prevent other injustices and There you're never going to have Injustice Make a justice and that's what we have going on.

That's why what Humble Clay says here. It's an anti Christ agenda and it's because Injustice murder robbing stealing these things are not gonna bring about righteousness. No and So Anthony, I'm gonna hand this over to you.

I know you and Justin have been doing a lot of research on this and I've kind of been busy preparing sermons. So I'm gonna let you guys go and I'll just pop in now and then. Sounds good.

Thank you, Andrew, yes, thank you. So so Justin, you know, we we spoke on the phone the other night. You've done a ton of research. I've done the same on this and and I think I would like to start off with us in.

In Colossians here. So Colossians 2 verses 8 to 10 because I think this says a lot and. And Justin I would like you as a pastor just kind of speak to this so. So I'm gonna read it here starting in verse 8 see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men.

According to the elementary principles of the world rather than according to Christ. For in him all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form and in him you have been made a complete and he is the head over all rule and authority.

So, you know what we're seeing in this passage and then I'll hand it over to you is is. We're seeing a dichotomy right you are either. Your mind is being taken captive through philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men.

That's one side and then the other side is according to Christ and. As we see in the Bible, I mean there's two worldviews. It's it's the worldview God's worldview the worldview we see in the Bible a Christian worldview or everything else.

So, what can you say about Colossians here for for listeners as we walk into the issues of black lives matter. Well, you have to understand that.

The very first Warning is talking about philosophical arguments that are empty. The warning is that there are philosophical arguments that They don't have salvific value. They don't have truth value. They don't have they don't have actual Logical step-by-step value or and they're they are Unworkable in the in the truth of the human mind, okay.

Not only in truth of human mind, but as you work it out, you realize where the final authority rest and that's in Jesus Christ, you know, it's according to human tradition now you think. We are we are pent up with human tradition today, you know.

According to the the elemental spirits of the world and not according to Christ and what this is talking about Is is the very idea that you you brought it up there? We have we have two different worldviews either.

There's the the Holy Spirit inspired grounded centered biblical worldview or there's the humanist Antichrist anti-god worldview and. Either one of those worldviews is going to dominate you and make no mistake if you claim There is no God and you claim that you're going to hold to you know, Nietzsche Freud Philo you're gonna hold to you know Darwin or anything else that you want to hold on to the empty philosophy and the vain philosophy of the human tradition.

It's not just in a vacuum. It actually comes from the spiritual forces of the world the dark places of the world you know you if you think about if you think about you know, what the scripture warns us about about the the powers and the principalities and.

You know all those spiritual forces. Where do they come from? They come from Satan himself. They are they are the enemy of God and they are the enemy of the people of God. They're enemy of actually all people, you know.

All those people that have given themselves over to the world's traditions are actually given themselves over to Satan and that's what the warning here is because we're told that we are to Have all of our thinking all of our reasoning are all of our rationing skills the logical understanding.

Grounded in Christ and in the Word of God. You know as you know, you talk about presuppositional apologetics from that standpoints. We come from an axiom. You know, I talk about axioms all the time. Because it is it's impossible for you to change an axiom in your life and the axiom that you start out with from.

From an infant is that first of all, you're dead and trespassing sin and you don't know it. You don't know Christ. You don't know God as your Savior. You don't know the Lord. You don't understand the things of God.

You are not drawn to the things of God you're an enemy of God in your mind through your wicked works from the from the womb to the tomb and Unless something happens that changes that The Holy Spirit changing that you will not come out of by your own intellect out of the world's tradition.

The world's philosophy and turn yourself over to the Lord Jesus Christ. God must change your axiom. Your axiom is your your absolute starting Point you're the the thing that you hold to be the the absolute truth of all life and you cannot Change that except for through Jesus Christ who is the head of all things of all rule and authority.

And he is the one that has called us to repent and believe in him. Yeah.

It's the reality here is that like everything else that that Andrew has done over the years that I've done in other avenues over the Years is and and I know you do this as well. Justin. Oh Mike does this is is.

Everything we hear we are to be taking that and comparing it to scripture. And if it's if it's scriptural it's got to be truth because scripture standard truth if it's not. We look at this as an empty deceit or philosophy of a tradition of man.

That is against the Christian worldview. And that's the thing we have to understand is that if if it doesn't line up with scripture it is literally against God. Amen, so so having settled that. Any movement whatsoever is going to have philosophy behind it, right?

You're gonna have some type of of thinking that goes behind it and we have to now take those thoughts captive. We have to decide are these truth or are they not and so here's here's how I want to start this off.

Justin is is with this because people are asking what is the black lives matter movement? There's been a lot of stuff thrown out there. And so I'm gonna start off with what it's not. Okay. And so number one it is not about the well-being security or safety of all black people.

That's been clear. How do we know this because we see that? For instance retired 77 year old st. Louis black police captain David Dorn. He himself would be speaking up out about this right now. He himself was trying to stop a riot from the riot from breaking into the pawn shop.

He was protecting but he can't speak right now why. Because he was murdered by black lives matters protesters. What else is it not it is not about black business owners who had their shops destroyed and looted during the riots.

At the end of day at the end of the day on June 2nd now I know I realize this is over a week ago, but there were 11 murders and in the city of Minneapolis alone 55 million dollars of damages. Which means by the time we total up all the damages.

I mean, I did a Facebook live video of the city of Cleveland with Mike just a few days ago. Lots of damage down there the damages. I would not be surprised if they didn't get up into the billion-dollar range or more.

Because of all the cities and all the destruction that has occurred everywhere. Unfortunately, the media is not going to report this. But it was it was a lot of destruction, okay, so what else is the black lives matter movement not about well.

It's yeah, you know, it was really neat about what you just said, you know, they say that you said the media won't report it. Mm-hmm, there was actually a Reporter that was sitting there trying to say how peaceful things were and right off the corner.

There was like cars burning and. So you didn't see that the. They're trying to say it's peaceful it which shows you there's there's a different agenda going on here. Yeah.

Oh, yeah the word peaceful has been used many times by reporters in in in Describing these protests and it's as people have seen there anything but peaceful. So, okay. Here's here's a big one, right? And this is this is one that I know Mike can attest to as well.

Black lives Don't seem to matter much in the womb. And and I don't know if Mike wants to share but I mean this was brought up right among. This is brought up when we were together and we ran into two of the protesters.

Black lives matters. What did they tell you when you brought up black babies?

Well, first off they had a sign that said I wouldn't have been killed and That kind of drew us into the conversation and I Asked him I said well why in your worldview is it wrong to kill. And I said I can account for it in my worldview.

I Know that that God says that murder is wrong but how is it in your world. And we and we did get into the discussion of You know the the baby, you know that that's being murdered that life matters and To the They they were looking at it like like we were just a Cold to that fact and we weren't we can.

We care about all lives. I mean we care about all the the babies.

Yeah, yeah, it was really interesting listening to them. But so I want you to think about this black. Yeah, and I hate that term but they were using it. So I'm gonna use it right. For for for blacks there is they make up just 13 of the population, right?

Now when we look at since 1973 the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court ruling there has been 44 million abortions taken place. 19 million of them are black babies. So that means while blacks make up 13 of the u .s. Population They make up forty three point two percent of total abortions.

Literally, there's three times as many black babies being killed in abortion mills than there are. Everyone else and so We also see that Planned Parenthood 79 of them the surgical abortion facilities are within walking distance of mine minority communities so We I think we've seen a number of ways that black lives matter.

What they're not there are certainly not about all black lives. And and here's one major point is this. They seem to have a lot of goals and I think Justin we're gonna be getting into the some of these tonight, right?

Yeah, they have a lot of goals. It seems like. But they're not endgame goals. No, and so it what what is the endgame goal? Yeah, is it just anarchy? Is it just destruction? Is it this this false idea of having everything completely equitable?

They have literally no endgame and that really should trouble us if there's revolutions that happen. It's usually because there's an endgame, right? There's something that they're trying to actually accomplish and so far.

There's nothing that it's trying to accomplish other than destroying everything that's out there.

Exactly, you know when you're talking about the abortion issue, you know, I mean I've gone up to you know up until I had my surgery. I wasn't able to go up for a long time and Praise God getting back to health there Mike.

I'm getting getting good and strong.

Yeah, I noticed that I see like half of you. Yeah, I'm about half as big as I was. Yeah years ago when we were in DC you were no offense. You're twice as big. Oh, yeah.

No, I really was I I actually I got really depressed and really upset because I was told.

Looking at his belly when we say that because he's Set that I'm skinnier than he is now.

No, hey my wife's been feeding him healthy. So he's gonna come out of here trim when he's when he leaves you said you took him to all you can eat sushi. So she's healthy. Yeah.

50 gallons of it is not the. The evidence is sitting right next to Mike.

Okay, he said Mike's gonna come out thin somehow, but and we're both gonna come out then.

Well, I was gonna say is is you know, you you talk about the end goal the end game goal here you know, we've got an abortion clinic right up the road and I go up to it and we we talk to the people that are there and there's a doctor who has pulled firearms on people threatened to kill him and he has several different abortion clinics and He's got himself in trouble several times.

He is now not licensed, but he's still able to practice because he has a judge that has given him Stay of you know judgment and it's been that way for a long time. But the abortion industry is not about you know Women's rights or it's not about those things.

It's about the the unimaginable depravity that is going on in the American heart. I mean you think about it. Planned Parenthood is started by a leftist Margaret Sanger and Hillary Clinton and many others her daughters and everything else.

Bragging about how great Margaret Sanger was and I posted on here. She loved the idea of wiping out and annihilating the black Americans, you know and for somebody to say that they the goal of BLM is to is to you know, oh, we just want to see our kids be able to go home.

Margaret Sanger says we do not want it to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population in 1939 she's the founder of Planned Parenthood. She says it seems to me from my experience. That while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors.

They can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table. Which means their ignorant superstition and their doubts. We should hire three or four colored ministers preferably with social service backgrounds with engaging personalities the most successful educational approach to the Negro is Through a religious appeal and make no mistake.

This is about the the class work. It's about the political warfare. It's about Lying to people to garner their votes to make them. Make them think that that it's okay for them to kill their own babies.

To murder their own babies in the name of political expediency and their freedoms. Okay.

But that's there's there's a guy here that we need to interact with spooky bedhead that hair. He's making he's making some comments in here and made some comments earlier. Let me find the earlier comments so we can interact with it because you know.

And if folks want to come in we're you know. The just go to apologetics live comm and you could you could join in the discussion. So his the first thing he had said was this. Hmm. What about the treatment of peaceful protesters and the actions of police?

Now one of the things I had said to him You know is what what are that where these peaceful protesters, you know, if he's referring to the old man that everyone was referring to. The guy who just minutes before the video where he gets pushed down by police supposedly.

Which you know, you look at it didn't look like a very hard push. However, you know when you're trained if they're trained you don't need a lot of force to push someone down however, just minutes before that you saw a bunch of you know, you saw this guy agitating a bunch of People there and you see you see different guys that are saying this guy's looking for a fight.

He's looking to start something. Yeah, same guy. So he so this so spooky Bedhair said wrong one. Here was this thing. He said the endgame would be not be Not be killed by police while going on with your daily life.

And so here's the the hypocrisy I see here. Because how many police have died just trying to do their job this week.

Well, but think about this way, too. That's a narrative. Correct? That's a political narrative, you know, the reality doesn't fit the narrative. So what you have to do when you don't have the evidence.

You scream you louder you yell louder and you hit the pulpit harder.

But but but let's let's look at the facts look at each of these cases. Trayvon Martin, right? We talked to we saw this whole thing with Trayvon Martin supposedly Trayvon Martin was was chased down by a Puerto Rican guy and shot because he was wearing a hoodie.

Then he went and that was the narrative that was said by the people when he got to court. What do we find? We find that the gunshot wound shows that that Trayvon Martin was on top of the guy the guy shot from the bottom.

We also heard from Trayvon Martin's best friend that he was on the phone with that. He told her he was gonna go teach this guy a lesson. He wasn't walking away as the narrative was he was chasing someone down Michael Brown.

The claim hands up don't shoot and we find out he wasn't walking away. He wasn't shot in the back. No. He was chased the police officer in a the guy's car was Punching him while the guy was in his car to a point where his eye basically falls out and he was shot again from his back.

So when we look at the evidence, it doesn't fit with the narrative. So we see constantly is the media rushes to a narrative that makes claims. What we what we do see in that video is a bad cop killing a guy that didn't deserve to die.

Yeah, well, let's but there's nothing there that said it's racist. That's a bad cop doing a bad thing to someone that didn't deserve to die that day. Yeah, let's give some real statistics.

Okay, this is in 2020. Now these are there we have numbers of people that have been killed up up until about a week ago now. People that have been killed by police officers. Okay, so in 2020, I use all males no females two Native Americans nine Asians 46 Hispanics 76 blacks 149 unlabeled and a hundred and forty-nine whites.

These are these are the people who were killed. This is a. This is not a systemic issue of of only black people being targeted. Number one number two. Now of the of the 76 blacks that got shot and killed don't get me wrong.

It's a tragedy right in in most cases. How many of them do you think were actually unarmed? Nine. So out of the 76 that have died at the hands of a police officer in 2020 Only nine of the 76 were actually unarmed.

Which means which goes to show that these the rest were probably justified and and. Again, this is what statistics actually bear out. So when people are saying this is a systemic issue. This is a systemic police issue systemic racism issue.

We've got I've got lots of other stats I can throw out. This is a just the first set I wanted to do. This does not bear out a systemic problem.

You know. The issue that you end up seeing when they say it's a systemic issue. They're saying all whites are responsible.

Correct. Exactly. Okay. Yeah.

So then let me just ask the simple logical question. Then are all blacks responsible for what the blacks are doing? You know what here's the thing that amazes me right now we have a they're discussing whether to rename.

Uh all the like the forts that are named after confederates NASCAR just removed the the confederate flag all this because it somehow is a tie back to slavery and we have to remove all that. However, you know what isn't being removed?

The democrat party the party of the kkk the one that actually supported started and helped with the kkk. That's where you have that the party that was of the south that wanted to keep them down. To to keep blacks as slaves.

They're the ones that are somehow. Are the ones that everyone's saying? Oh, they're going to be the savior. How are they the savior? What have they done? Let's look at what they did in the carter years.

What did they do? During the carter years you you had the the state department carter state department bringing drugs in. From colombia mexico nicaragua different places and bringing them into the black communities doing what destroying the black family bringing drugs into the the The community.

You ended up having there was the democrat solution welfare. Now you have a you have a solution to single motherhood. Yeah, so so you have the the simple reality is why don't you see the the jewish people?

Crying out for systemic racism or the chinese or the japanese because all of them were slaves. In in a sooner time we the japanese well, the chinese were were slaves in the west coast. After slavery was outlawed you have the japanese that were slaves in this country.