Black Lives Matter - The Real Agenda

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It's that it's fascinating to me how easily someone in one religion can find the fallacies and biases in another religion

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I think that what's fascinating your raise your razor -sharp on your your your criticism of Islam here

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Yeah, and but what I find fascinating Jeff is that you recognize that with other religions

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But you don't do it with your own because I that may be the case And and there's that confirmation bias coming up again

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Be so we are gonna be live tonight. We're gonna deal with the topic of black lives matter

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That isn't not even controversial. No one's even discussing it online at all, but we do have a couple of special guests first I'm gonna bring in dr.

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Silvestro a regular here and he wait who's that that you have next to you? Anthony well next to me is the second best -looking guy out of us three.

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It's a Mike Stockwell, so I guess that makes you the worst -looking guy out of us three.

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Well, I'm glad that you admit to that Barely didn't understand So, mr.

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Mike Stockwell you are when we get you to introduce yourself for folks who don't know here you are with cross cross

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Countries I call it now because you're going international cross countries evangelism is what should be

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How about you let folks know who you're like what you do and What how people can get ahold of you?

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Well, my name is Mike Stockwell. I'm part of a ministry called cross country evangelism.

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I Co -labor with Robert Gray He's also a full -time minister we go out into the public forum and we preach the gospel of Jesus Christ our website is cross country evangelism dot -com and We are in a down right now with the chaotic way that the the world is we're just kind of going day by day and Doing whatever we can do hand out tracks and share the gospel in every way we can that right now

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We're looking forward to when things get back to normal so we can get back to normal Yeah, and Frank here is calling you machine gun

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Mike, you know carry machine guns. Do you? Did you see those

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All right, so we're gonna have someone else that's gonna join us that is gonna be someone you guys are gonna see more often in The politics live he's gonna be helping out sometimes

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Co -hosting hosting before we do Anthony We should we should start off with the announcement that we still have not gotten answers to some things

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No, wait, do we we know? Yes, so of questions. We asked 12 questions. Let me read the questions

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I'll read the questions and we could talk about the response that for but who they're for right? These are for these are questions that we've had for anyone who's been watching our projects live we dealt with a some dangerous doctrines from a

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Mike Reed he It's hard for me to say pastor in case these things that are these doctrines are true

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I if they're true, I can't call him pastor, but he's at a church in in and I forget the name of the church

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Davenport, Iowa Grace Fellowship Church, okay So you guys have done a series of things about his doctrines and I came up with 12 questions with some help

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From listening to you guys and talking to you guys. These are 12 questions. We wanted to get answered from Mike Reed and So these are the questions and I think they're pretty clear tell you where I think we at least it seems he stands on things

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Well and and to be fair right we because you know He felt with when he talked to me on zoom phone calls and why he kept telling me he didn't want to come on and answer questions

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Because he said there was just long answers you decided to distill these questions down into literally 12 yes, and no questions except for the last one.

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Yes 11. Yes or no Yeah, one a little explanation, but literally 11 years to know and then Kevin Yones Also added in another five or six questions on top of that which are also yes or no questions

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You may not know that Andrew get those Yeah, that was also sent to Mike Reed and his elders and and those questions were also yes or no and those questions were very simple

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Have I Kevin Yones or Jen? Slandered you in any way have

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I or Jen, you know his wife lied about anything We've said right several questions like this were very pointed about What Kevin did in his three and a half hours in his in the interview?

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Did he lie about anything? So these are very easy questions for Mike to be able to answer because he accused me and well you and indirectly me of Allowing slander and even participating in it.

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And so the challenges that I had for him if these things are true If these the answers of the any of these questions are yes

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Then that wasn't slander its truth, right? And so slander requires lying for the purpose of defaming someone's character or reputation

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So here's here's a dozen questions from Mike Reed that we'll get to the the answers we got so number one

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Do you meet with women alone on a regular basis? to Did you ask details about do you do you ask details about spousal intimacy?

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Number three. Have you ever said to not trust the elders is to not trust

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God? For have you ever said whatever the elders would counsel you is it for your life is perfect Five have you ever said that GFC Grace Fellowship Church is the only true church in the

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Quad Cities? six Do you believe the elders have nearly unlimited authority in the lives of their congregants number seven?

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we and number six is kind of interesting with black lives matter discussion because he was saying that he was talking about slave masters that the

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Congregation being slaves supposedly in the the pastors being the slave masters so that could fit in well with tonight seven

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Have you said if someone owns guns? Not the kind on mark on Mike's arms there

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But if someone owns guns is in the military or police they have a premeditated murder in their hearts

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Number eight. Do you share the details about counseling sessions with other members?

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Number nine Do you ever imply that men and women should be able to kiss someone else on the lips?

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That is not their spouse Number ten. Have you ever? shared details of your own sexual intimacy with any

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Any of the people in your counseling sessions with members of the opposite sex?

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Number eleven. Do you believe you are infallible against sexual?

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Immorality and number twelve by name what specific pastors theologians and or teachers have condoned

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The practice of meeting with women alone in counseling sessions. And so we've had those questions out for two weeks now

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And Anthony as as you know, we did get an answer back. Would you like to hear the recording?

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Yeah Yeah, I heard you got you got something recorded. So yeah, what is what is the answer that we got my greed?

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Here we go Crickets That's not

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So we should we should introduce this fourth person for tonight's show This is problematic.

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Do we really want to do this? I don't know. Yeah. Oh There is there is

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Justin Pierce Introduce yourself to the audience and let folks know where you're at and how they could find you

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Okay, I'm Pastor Justin Pierce Frank Kroberg Pastor Justin Pierce and grace reform

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Baptist Church here in Blountville, Tennessee. We're a small church as Evidenced by the fact that we're reformed

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I guess We're we do evangelism. And of course that makes us doubly small we we love to go out and share the gospel with as many people as we'll hear and we

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Thank you very much Marcy we we we actually it's our heart and our desire to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ to edify the

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Saints to bring them up to to teach and train and disciple the

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Saints of Almighty God to to be equipped for the purpose of the ministry that God has set for them and We'll do it.

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Anyway, we can I've been doing Evening devotionals for the past few months and it's because of this kovat hoax, and yeah,

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I said hoax because of all this going on I decided to do a evening devotional and we've had quite a few people that have jumped on board and I I am very grateful for the opportunity and you guys contacted me and And asked me if I want to do this and as you know

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Andrew, I just I did I paid you quite a bit Well, I don't remember what it was

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I had Mike come over to Anthony's house and he's strong -arming him I Would not want to be strong -armed by Mike Stockwell though, that's that's danger.

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That's uncle Mike there. He's a big teddy bear is what he is He's loud and scary, but he's a big teddy bear for him, but I didn't know him

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So so, okay first off When we put up comments on screen people in podcasts have no idea why you just thanked

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Marcy So Evening pastor Justin you got at least read the comments when you when you respond well,

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I'm learning and and there's Anthony Anthony responding in comments and So people are gonna think it's me when it says he bribed us and no one gets to know why

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That was Anthony putting that out there just for the record. All right, so Justin you're gonna you're gonna help us out sometimes and as Not too many folks publicly know

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I've been a little bit busy I'm not getting into details of why but I've been carrying a couple of extra hats and jobs and Just been doing a lot more preaching locally, and so I've I'm drowning in a lack of time and you came to save the day.

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So I'm gonna I do want to go over a little bit and I don't know, you know, we

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I Just I went to the website the black lives matter. Well, and They have a couple things.

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I found very interesting there. They actually tell you what their goal are, you know Or you know,

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I find very interesting about this Just off the bat of reading it I Didn't see a whole lot about Black lives.

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I saw a lot of homosexuality So a whole lot about where's the one line?

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We disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family structure required by supporting each other as extended families as villages as A collective.

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Hmm. Wait, isn't that right out of Marx's book? Yeah. Yeah Okay, just just thought I was out of his playbook

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But that's really what we're gonna talk about is is what their agenda is now let's start by the fact and I'm gonna hand this most of us off to you guys and probably be quiet for a bit, but I want to start off with saying, you know,

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I think that it is what what happened to George Floyd What was a tragedy?

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I don't think he was a man that we should be holding up and honoring This is a criminal who was arrested in multiple drug possession and charges

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It's not that there's something That You know, he is he's not a a someone that's a like a hero in in our society

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He's being held as one But I think by a false standard as false narrative and I'll say

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I'll just say why what we've seen time and time again with These attempts to try to make issues of racism.

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What I find is that most of them have nothing to do with racism You know a guy's

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Michael Brown standing up saying hands up. Don't shoot. He was shot in the back. No, he wasn't He was shot in the chest while someone was while he's punching the officer so hard his eye popped out, right?

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so we have all these cases, but here's the thing that I see with this one is We've yet to see anything that shows that this is racist other than the fact that it was a white officer and a black guy

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What happened was wrong? Yes, I think that this officer we do know that the officer and and Floyd knew each other

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We that they used to work together and from what we can tell from different people that the officer had issues with them

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I I'm guessing but I think this was just a Control happy officer that got his his day that he thought he could teach

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Floyd a lesson and it got out of out of control and he rightly is is in prison

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Or gonna be I mean, he's he's arrested right now, but there is son. I didn't notice. What was the the cry for justice?

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What did we see it was a cry that the the cop wasn't arrested Then it was a cry when he was arrested that all three of them or the other three weren't arrested

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So the other three were arrested then it was a cry that there was third degree manslaughter not second -degree manslaughter

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And so it got moved up to second degree and then it was a cry we have to defund all the police Why would we need to defund all the police because of what one officer did is all the officers?

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Responsible for what one officer did because if that's true Then can we take that same logic and say that all blacks are responsible for the rioting that has gone on?

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I know that any anyone that's thinking would say no you cannot blame all blacks for the riots that went on Why?

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Because it wasn't their fault And it's not the fault of every good officer Who several of whom have been slain this week for doing what for protecting and serving the public for trying to to prevent people from being looted and robbed for trying to prevent other injustices and There you're never going to have

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Injustice Make a justice and that's what we have going on. That's why what humble clay says here.

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It's an anti Christ agenda and it's because Injustice murder robbing stealing these things are not gonna bring about righteousness.

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No, and So Anthony, I'm gonna hand this over to you I know you and Justin have been doing a lot of research on this and I've kind of been busy preparing sermons

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So I'm gonna let you guys go and I'll just pop in now and then

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Sounds good Thank you, Andrew, yes, thank you. So so Justin, you know, we we spoke on the phone the other night

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You've done a ton of research. I've done the same on This and and I think

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I would like to start off with us in in Colossians here, so Colossians 2 verses 8 to 10 because I think this says a lot and In Justin, I would like you as a pastor just kind of speak to this so So I'm gonna read it here starting in verse 8 see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men

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According to the elementary principles of the world rather than according to Christ For in him all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form and in him you have been made a complete and he is the head over all rule and authority so, you know what we're seeing in this passage and then

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I'll hand it over to you is is We're seeing a dichotomy right you are either

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Your mind is being taken captive through philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men.

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That's one side and then the other side is according to Christ and As we see in the

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Bible, I mean there's two worldviews It's it's the worldview God's worldview the worldview we see in the Bible a

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Christian worldview or everything else So, what can you say about Colossians here for for listeners as we walk into the issues of black lives matter

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Well, you have to understand that the very first Warning is talking about philosophical arguments that are empty the warning is that there are philosophical arguments that They don't have salvific value.

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They don't have truth value. They don't have they don't have actual Logical step -by -step value or and they're they are

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Unworkable in the in the truth of the human mind Okay, not only in truth of human mind But as you work it out, you realize where the final authority rest and that's in Jesus Christ, you know

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It's according to human tradition now you think We are we are pent up with human tradition today, you know

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According to the the elemental spirits of the world and not according to Christ and what this is talking about Is is the very idea that you you brought it up there?

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We have we have two different worldviews either. There's the the Holy Spirit inspired grounded centered biblical worldview or there's the humanist

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Antichrist anti -god worldview and Either one of those worldviews is going to dominate you and make no mistake if you claim

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There is no God and you claim that you're going to hold to you know,

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Nietzsche Freud Philo you're gonna hold to you know Darwin or anything else that you want to hold on to the empty philosophy and the vain philosophy of the human tradition

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It's not just in a vacuum. It actually comes from the spiritual forces of the world the dark places of the world you know you if you think about if you think about you know, what the scripture warns us about about the the powers and the principalities and You know all those spiritual forces.

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Where do they come from? They come from Satan himself They are they are the enemy of God and they are the enemy of the people of God They're enemy of actually all people, you know

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All those people that have have given themselves over to the world's traditions are actually given themselves over to Satan and that's what the warning here is because we're told that we are to Have all of our thinking all of our reasoning or all of our rationing skills the logical understanding

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Grounded in Christ and in the Word of God You know as you know, you talk about presuppositional apologetics from that standpoints.

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We come from an axiom You know, I talk about axioms all the time

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Because it is it's impossible for you to change an axiom in your life and the axiom that you start out with from From an infant is that first of all, you're dead in trespass and sin and you don't know it

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You don't know Christ. You don't know. God is your Savior. You don't know the Lord You don't understand the things of God.

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You are not drawn to the things of God you're an enemy of God in your mind through your wicked works from the from the womb to the tomb and Unless something happens that changes that The Holy Spirit changing that you will not come out of by your own intellect out of the world's tradition

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The world's philosophy and turn yourself over to the Lord Jesus Christ God must change your axiom.

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Your axiom is your your absolute starting Point you're the the thing that you hold to be the the absolute truth of all life and you cannot

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Change that except for through Jesus Christ who is the head of all things of all rule and authority And he is the one that has called us to repent and believe in him

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Yeah it's the reality here is that like everything else that that Andrew has done over the years that I've done in other avenues over the

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Years is and and I know you do this as well. Justin. Oh Mike does this is is everything we hear we are to be taking that and comparing it to scripture and If it's if it's

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Scriptural, it's got to be truth because scripture standard truth if it's not We look at this as an empty deceit or or philosophy of a tradition of man

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That is against the Christian worldview And that's the thing we have to understand is that if it doesn't line up with scripture it is literally against God Amen, so so having said all that Any movement whatsoever is going to have philosophy behind it, right?

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You're gonna have some type of of thinking that goes behind it and we have to now take those thoughts captive We have to decide are these truth or are they not and so here's here's how

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I want to start this off Justin is is with this because people are asking. What is the black lives matter movement?

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There's been a lot of stuff thrown out there. And so I'm gonna start off with what it's not. Okay, and So number one it is not about the well -being security or safety of all black people

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That's been clear. How do we know this because we see that? For instance retired 77 year old st.

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Louis black police captain David Dorn He himself would be speaking up out about this right now

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He himself was trying to stop a riot from the riot from breaking into the pawn shop.

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He was he was Protecting but he can't speak right now why because he was murdered by black lives matters protesters

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What else is it not it is not about black business owners who had their shops destroyed and looted during the riots

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At the end of day at the end of the day on June 2nd now I know I realize this is over a week ago, but there were 11 murders and In the city of Minneapolis alone $55 million of damages

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Which means by the time we total up all the damages I mean I did a Facebook live video of City of Cleveland with Mike just a few days ago

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Lots of damage down there the damages I would not be surprised if they didn't get up into the billion -dollar range or more

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Because of all the cities and all the destruction that has occurred everywhere. Unfortunately, the media is not going to report this

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But it was it was a lot of destruction, okay, so what else is the black lives matter movement not about well

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Hey, it's yeah, you know, it's really neat about what you just said, you know, they say that you said the media won't report it mm -hmm, there was actually a

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Reporter that was sitting there trying to say how peaceful things were and right off the corner. There was like cars burning and So you didn't see that the

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They're trying to say it's peaceful it which shows you there's there's a different agenda going on here. Yeah Oh, yeah the word peaceful has been used many times by reporters in in in Describing these protests and it's as people have seen there anything but peaceful So, okay.

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Here's here's a big one, right? And this is this is one that I know Mike can attest to as well black lives

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Don't seem to matter much in the womb And and I don't know if Mike wants to share but I mean this was brought up right among This is brought up when we were together and we ran into two of the protesters black lives matters

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What did they tell you when you brought up black babies? Well, first off they had a sign that said

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I wouldn't have been killed and That kind of drew us into the conversation and I Asked him

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I said well why in your worldview is it wrong to kill and I said

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I can account for it in my worldview I Know that that God says that murder is wrong but how is it in your world and we and we did get into the discussion of You know the the baby, you know that that's being murdered that life matters and To the

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They they were looking at it like like we were just a Cold to that fact and we weren't we can we care about all lives.

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I mean we care about all the the babies Yeah, yeah, it was really interesting listening to them.

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But so I want you to think about this black Yeah, and I hate that term, but they were using it.

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So I'm gonna use it, right? For for blacks there is they make up just 13 % of the population, right?

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Now when we look at since 1973 the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court ruling there has been 44 million abortions taking place 19 million of them are black babies

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So that means while blacks make up 13 % of the US population

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They make up forty three point two percent of total abortions Literally, there's three times as many black babies being killed in abortion mills than there are

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Everyone else and so We also see that Planned Parenthood's 79 % of them

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The surgical abortion facilities are within walking distance of mine minority communities so We I think we've seen a number of ways that black lives matter what they're not there is certainly not about all black lives and Here's one major point is this

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They seem to have a lot of goals and I think Justin we're gonna be getting into the some of these tonight, right? Yeah, they have a lot of goals.

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It seems like But they're not endgame goals No, and so it what what is the endgame goal?

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Yeah Is it just anarchy? Is it just destruction? Is it this this false idea of having everything completely equitable?

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They have literally no endgame and that really should trouble us if there's revolutions that happen

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It's usually because there's an endgame, right? There's something that they're trying to actually accomplish and so far

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There's nothing that it's trying to accomplish other than destroying everything that's out there Exactly.

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Yeah when you're talking about the abortion issue, you know, I mean I've gone up to you know up until I had my surgery.

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I wasn't able to go up for a long time and Praise God getting back to health there Mike. I'm getting getting good and strong.

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Yeah, I noticed that I see like half of you Yeah, I was about half as big as I was. Yeah years ago when we were in DC you were

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No offense. You're twice as big. Oh, yeah. No, I really was I I actually I got really depressed and really upset because I was told this is looking at his belly when we say that because he's

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Set that I'm skinnier than he is now No Hey, my wife's been feeding him healthy.

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So he's gonna come out of here trim when he's when he leaves You said you took him all you can eat sushi

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Sushi's healthy. Yeah The evidence is sitting right next to Mike Okay, he said

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Mike's gonna come out thin somehow but and we're both gonna come out then Cooking Well, I was gonna say is is you know, you you talk about the end goal the end game goal here you know, we've got an abortion clinic right up the road and I go up to it and we we talk to the people that are there.

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There's a doctor who has pulled firearms on people threatened to kill him and he has several different abortion clinics and He's got himself in trouble several times he is now not licensed, but he's still able to practice because he has a judge that has given him a

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Stay of you know judgment and it's been that way for a long time But the abortion industry is not about you know

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Women's rights or it's not about those things. It's about the the unimaginable depravity that is going on in the

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American heart I mean you think about it Planned Parenthood is started by a leftist Margaret Sanger and Hillary Clinton and many others her daughters and everything else

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Bragging about how great Margaret Sanger was and I posted on here She loved the idea of wiping out and annihilating the black

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Americans, you know and for somebody to say that The goal of BLM is to is to you know

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We just want to see our kids be able to go home Margaret Sanger says we do not want it to get out that we want to exterminate the

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Negro population in 1939 she's the founder of Planned Parenthood She says it seems to me from my experience

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That while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors They can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table

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Which means their ignorant superstition and their doubts We should hire three or four colored ministers preferably with social service backgrounds with engaging personalities the most successful educational approach to the

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Negro is Through a religious appeal and make no mistake. This is about The the class warfare.

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It's about the political warfare. It's about Lying to people to garner their votes to make them

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Make them think that that it's okay for them to kill their own babies To murder their own babies in the name of political expediency and their freedoms

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Okay That's there's there's a guy here that we need to interact with spooky bedhead that hair

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He's making he's making some comments in here. He made some comments earlier Let me find the earlier comments we can interact with it because you know, and if folks want to come in we're you know

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The just go to apologize live .com and you could you could join in the discussion

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So his the first thing he had said was this. Hmm. What about the treatment of peaceful protesters and the actions of police?

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Now one of the things I had said to him You know was what what are that? Where are these peaceful protesters?

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You know if he's referring to the old man that everyone was referring to The guy who just minutes before the video where he gets pushed down by police supposedly which you know

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You look at it didn't look like a very hard push However, you know when you're trained if they're trained you don't need a lot of force to push someone down however, just minutes before that you saw a bunch of you know, you saw this guy agitating a

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Bunch of people there and you see you see different guys that are saying this guy's looking for a fight

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He's looking to start something Yeah, same guy So he so this so spooky

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Bedhair said wrong one. Here was this thing. He said the endgame would be not be

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Not be killed by police while going on with your daily life.

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And so here's the the hypocrisy I see here Because how many police have died just trying to do their job this week?

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Well, but think about this way, too That's a narrative Correct. That's a political narrative, you know, the reality doesn't fit the narrative

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So what you have to do when you don't have the evidence you scream you louder you yell louder and you hit the pulpit harder

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But but but let's let's look at the facts look at each of these cases Trayvon Martin, right?

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We talked to we saw this whole thing with Trayvon Martin Supposedly Trayvon Martin was was chased down by a

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Puerto Rican guy and shot because he was wearing a hoodie Then he went and that was the narrative that was said by the people when it got to court

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What do we find we find that the gunshot wound shows? That that Trayvon Martin was on top of the guy the guy shot from the bottom

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We also heard from Trayvon Martin's best friend that he was on the phone with that He told her he was gonna go teach this guy a lesson

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He wasn't walking away as the narrative was he was chasing someone down Michael Brown The claim hands up don't shoot and we find out he wasn't walking away.

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He wasn't shot in the back No He was chased the police officer in a the guy's car was punching him while the guy was in his car to a point where His eye basically falls out and he was shot again from his back

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So when we look at the evidence, it doesn't fit with the narrative So we see constantly is the media rushes to a narrative that makes claims

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What we what we do see in that video is a bad cop killing a guy that didn't deserve to die

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Well, let's but there's nothing there that said it's racist That's a bad cop doing a bad thing to someone that didn't deserve to die that day.

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Yeah, let's give some real statistics Okay, this is in 2020 Now these are there we have numbers of people that have been killed up up until about a week ago now

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People that have been killed by police officers, okay, so in 2020,

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I use all males no females two Native Americans nine Asians 46

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Hispanics 76 blacks 149 unlabeled and a hundred and forty nine whites

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These are these are the people who are killed this is not a systemic issue of only black people being targeted number one number two

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Now of the of these 76 blacks that got shot and killed don't get me wrong it's a tragedy right in in most cases

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How many of them do you think were actually unarmed? nine So out of the 76 that have died at the hands of a police officer in 2020

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Only nine of the 76 were actually unarmed Which means it which goes to show that these the rest were probably justified and in Again, this is what statistics actually bear out.

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So when people are saying this is a systemic issue This is systemic police issue systemic racism issue.

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We've got I've got lots of other stats. I can throw out This is a just the first set. I wanted to do this does not bear out a systemic problem

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You know the issue that you end up seeing when they say it's a systemic issue They're saying all whites are responsible

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Correct exactly. Okay. Yeah So then let me just ask the simple logical question

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Then are all blacks responsible for what the blacks are doing? You know what?

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Here's the thing that amazes me right now. We have a they're discussing whether to rename all the like the forts that are named after Confederates NASCAR just removed the

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Confederate flag all this because it somehow is a tie back to slavery and we have to remove all that However, you know what isn't being removed

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The Democrat Party the party of the KKK the one that actually supported started and helped with the

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KKK That's where you have that the party that was of the South that wanted to keep them down to keep blacks as slaves

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They're the ones that are somehow Are the ones that everyone's saying? Oh, they're gonna be the Savior. How are they the

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Savior? What have they done? Let's look at what they did in the Carter years. What did they do? During the Carter years you you had the the

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State Department Carter State Department bringing drugs in From Colombia Mexico Nicaragua different places and bring them into the black communities doing what destroying the black family bringing drugs into the the

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Community you ended up having there was the Democrat solution welfare. Now you have a you have a solution to single motherhood

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So so you have the the simple reality is why don't you see that the Jewish people Crying out for systemic racism or the

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Chinese or the Japanese because all of them were slaves In a sooner time we the

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Japanese with the Chinese were slaves in the west coast After slavery was outlawed you have the

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Japanese that were slaves in this country People don't know that in the 1940s during World War two six million

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Jews that were were killed in in Nazi, Germany I don't hear too many of the the blacks crying up and going we got to do so we got to have we

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See reparations for that, you know, what's different with those cultures? They valued family and education and that is consistently what people who overcome

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Recognize, you know what families have come to this country? My wife's family has given up a lot so that she could be in this country and have a better life.

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I remember interviewing someone on the podcast many years ago and He's African American and he said his parents were slaves and He's he he does not happy with what they had to live through But he's glad that they did it because he gets to be brought up in America.

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Yes. That's the thing There's no one saying we should send people back to Africa They wouldn't most people don't want to go there

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But they're not glad that their their ancestors struggled what they should not have had to struggle with So that they would be here

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My family go back generations struggled with a lot to Avoid anti -semitism and that got me in America.

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I'm glad that they were able to leave Russia and Romania to get here But it doesn't mean that I sit here and say well everyone owes me something.

39:34

Yeah Well, you know you think about it what you're seeing now is is a systematic dismantling of the

39:41

American Way of life the the great nation that we were I remember listening to Lecrae talking about Going on the wild now thing and he's sitting there done by when was

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America great Let me tell you when America was great America became great the moment that we came together as a people as a nation and sought to create a stage a world place in the world where we could come together as a

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Religious people the Constitution Declaration They talk about the fact that we are endowed by our

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Creator This is the first nation that has said that we want to look at what the other nations that we come from Have done wrong the leadership that they've done wrong and we don't want to be that we don't want to do that we don't have want to have dictatorships and oligarchs and all those things and we want to have a free nation of free people who've come together with The rights of free people endowed by their

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Creator To worship the Almighty God the whole I mean if you look at the Constitution, you know, people say that you have freedom of religion here in America Which is part of our constitutional right or the

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Declaration of Independence tells us we are we are we have a creator Nature's God who has made us and if you look at our history

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The the the soldiers the the people that fought the people that that lived and died to make this country free

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They were not all just you know, the you know White privileged

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Americans they sat there and they suffered and they died and they went through major hardship

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To create a world where our their ancestors would be free

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They knew they wouldn't have freedom but their ancestors would have freedom and what we're seeing now

41:30

Is what Stalin said that he wanted to do? Stalin said that he would he would come in into America and That that they would systematically destroy the nation from the inside We started to see that after World War two when they started bringing in these educated enemies into America Bring bringing them giving them amnesty putting gave them the information to the government

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So they got amnesty they were allowed to come into our teaching jobs to our our schools to our colleges universities

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And they were given free rein to indoctrinate to bring in whatever the radical anti -american ideologies were

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With impunity they brought it in and they started slowly teaching it. I can rant for a long time on that but one thing

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I want to make sure we do is we start to get into some of the bullet points and That's what I wanted to do.

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Yeah, and So I want to I want to say one thing because there's there is this

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Comment and then Andrew will kind of get into the bullet points here If the problem is systemic does that release individuals from individual guilt?

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I? Want to be really really clear and I want to set the stage for the rest of this show. This is not a systemic problem

42:50

We do not have if you okay, so we talk about systemic Okay, we we have to understand what is the definition of systemic so systemic has to be something that is

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You know without using the same word in the definition, right? It has to be system wide system at systemic means that in whatever system you're looking at So whether it's governmental laws

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Education economics, whatever it is that the entire system of that is rigged the entire system of that is is

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Forcing whatever they were claiming it's a force to happen Which means that if it was systemic injustice, that means that there would be either laws written or unwritten that were in place to Systemically do this to black people that if it was if it was about economics that there would be laws

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Systemically in place to do this against all black people to keep them suppressed and not allow them to have good jobs

43:47

This is not the case We have had laws abolished in this country for at least 60 years now

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The last of the laws that had segregation and things like that have been abolished. They're gone

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So we don't we don't have those issues Systemically now look if somebody wants to make a claim that there's individual racism out there.

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I agree. I agree there is But we have to understand you cannot overthrow a system that doesn't have a systemic problem

44:19

This is an individual problem. And so when we have an individual problem, what is it? Justin?

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You just said it's a heart problem It's a heart problem. That means the solution isn't going and changing laws because the laws are already there

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So this it's not about going and trying to destroy systems because the system isn't rigged

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It is about the gospel It is about going in and in and teaching what the truth of Scripture is and and pray for changed hearts

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Pray that people aren't being captive by by by the empty deceit of men and philosophy of man

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But instead are captive by the thoughts of Christ like that's that's the issue and that's the thing we have to really press forward here

44:58

In the rest of this show because it's not a systemic problem Well, they're trying to make it out to be let me tell you why

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I think they're trying out to be is for this simple Reason and this is the most depressing thing You know, the

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Democrat Party was the party that supported slavery the Democrat Party was the party of the KKK Party was the one that there of Jim Crow.

45:19

They they the party that that fought, you know that that fought the Republicans You know and fought against the freeing of slaves.

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It was it was the Democrats that Fought against civil rights.

45:34

They they fought all along until they suddenly realized they could get the black votes It was the first black there was there was in in Congress Republican Senate Republican And so now you might want to say the first black was

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Was Democrat that was president. However, he was more white than black. He was raised in a white family.

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He had to be taught By his own read his own book. He had to be taught as a teenager what it meant to be black now

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How do you have to be taught what it means to be black? in other words That says that it's not part of the actual experience just by the color of skin

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It's actually sad because the Democrat Party has found a new way to enslave blacks.

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They keep them poor They keep them on drugs. They eat to me.

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I'll be honest if it was me I would be completely offended when the

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Democrat Party keeps saying that That blacks need a handout like they cannot get an education

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With that that Anyone that's black that hears that should say wait a minute

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What are you saying that I am NOT equal to any white person that I can get an education without you helping me?

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Because you know what? There's just as many smart blacks as there are whites It has nothing to do with color of skin.

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In fact the reality and Anthony will get to this later There is no race.

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There's one race a human race and They're the the difference that people end up seeing and trying to make a difference is to divide that's from the devil

47:08

Okay So the reality is what you end up seeing is the Democrats are trying to just find other ways to keep blacks enslaved

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Keep them down. Keep them uneducated. Keep them poor so that they keep getting that 96 % vote

47:22

And the answer isn't these peaceful protests either that's that's not obviously working we've seen what's happening with that people are getting murdered stores are getting

47:33

Destroyed looters are taking everything that they can get their hands on So obviously the peaceful protest to change this isn't happening because it's like we read in Colossians there that they're going through these philosophies and in vain deceit and they're running to these things thinking this is the answer and it's not the answer and like Anthony was saying it is the gospel.

47:58

It's about Jesus Christ being the answer to change all of this and Not just gathering together and then getting this mob mentality and destroying things.

48:07

It's not it's definitely not it's it's the downfall if anything so you think you think about the the

48:15

The what you're just saying there is you have the vein philosophy. Well, what is the philosophy today?

48:21

It's the cultural Marxism It's the socialism. It's the the, you know, all of the you know, the communism.

48:27

I mean look this is what it's matter Yeah but this is this is Hitler Stalin Mao all of these guys that have come together and They've been teaching this stuff and all of their the people that have agreed with them have taught this and indoctrinated people

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That they've told people that you're the oppressed they've indoctrinated children They I mean you think about they even did it in their own societies.

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Do you guys remember the brown shirts? You guys remember remember the discussion about the brown shirts when you were kids when

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I was growing up. They actually taught history They you know the schools they actually did they were they were not good

49:03

But they weren't terrible the Roman Catholic churches they worked with Hitler and they helped the helped

49:08

Hitler and a lot of ways to do a lot of things that were wrong and one of the things that was done is they were indoctrinating these children their own children to be loyal to the

49:17

Führer and What he would do is he would teach them that they should destroy their own communities and report their own

49:24

Families and it reminds me of a biblical passage that we're told that in the end days They will think they're doing

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God a favor by killing you or Oppressing you and those things.

49:35

Yeah, so so before we get to Andrew and going through these bullet points I'm gonna address race because Andrew brought this up.

49:42

And so let's let's just knock this out right now Christian If you say race if you say different races you are not using

49:53

Christian language Bottom line races do not exist according to God that is a secular humanist viewpoint

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That is an evolutionary viewpoint that is a different monkeys or ape like creatures evolved to different types of human beings some of which evolved better than others and By which we would have gotten

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Caucasoids and mongoloids and Negroids and a couple other groups depending on which time -life article you read back in the 40s and 50s

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You know, that's where race comes from. It does not come from the Bible The Bible says one blood one race every human being on this planet comes from Adam and Eve Every one of them and in so now look are the concepts of nationalities or ethnicities in the

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Bible Yes, those are there and God's gonna save people from every tribe tongue, you know nation

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So we see that there but it's it's one human race Now look,

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I guess I love to throw some of the science out right because people are gonna say well, that's not science Let me show you science human

50:59

DNA About 3 billion base pairs in human DNA We there's about 25 ,000 genes in the human genome of those 3 billion base pairs

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And so out of the 25 ,000 genes that are there that only makes up about one that makes about 1 .5

51:16

percent of our genome The rest of the genes have other functions We know that on the low end a few dozen

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I've heard it as low as about 20 To as many as possibly a few hundred genes can play a role in skin color

51:32

It's probably on the lower end versus the higher end of that. But either way it doesn't matter in this

51:39

It's a very simple math I did and When we look at the amount of genes that affect skin color versus all the information in DNA The amount that affects the skin color is somewhere around point zero zero one two percent

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It's kind of small isn't it? Yeah twelve ten thousandths of a percent isn't isn't a

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Oh, I forgot her name. That's claimed. She was Cherokee. She's she's more Cherokee than that. Yeah.

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Yeah yeah, Elizabeth Warren is is more Cherokee and then the difference between the darkest of the brown and the lightest of the light across across the world and and here it

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Gets even better. There are science studies to show that of all the genetic variability of human beings

52:35

That they only see Again that about that same percentage somewhere around one tenth of a one ten thousandth of a percent of of a difference in genetics between Any two different people on this planet?

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Literally, there is there is virtually no difference between all of us so I think we need to put to rest this issue of race and talk of talk biblical language here and Understand it's one blood one race.

53:08

Now. How do we deal with this stuff? So Andrew? black lives matter movement, they they've got 13 points, right?

53:18

Hey, I think you've got 13 points. Yeah. Yeah So do me a favor and just read the first four of them right off the bat because black lives matter

53:26

This is their campaign right and they've they've distilled it down to 13 bullet points The first four what what are those?

53:35

What do you have there? Well, let's see. Why don't I just share the screen? So that we could read them all together

53:46

Here we go, so this is the black lives matter website So let's get to where they're

53:55

Here's there that by the way, the question was asked earlier. I didn't put it up on screen.

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Someone asked whether the founders Are Homosexual that was a quite queer homosexuals

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Here are the founders that you can you can read about And so there's three women

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And you're gonna focus see a lot of what you see is Right here that their focus is going to be on race gender sexual orientation and gender identity

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You're gonna see a lot of that Now I don't know whether they specifically

54:35

Practice homosexuality, but as we go through their website, here's here's where we start Well, so you know

54:41

Andrew before you read these Let me let me bullet point them first and then I'm gonna have you go through these So because I think it's important for people to understand the bullet points and then let's start going through these and explain them

54:52

But there's they distill these down into 13 bullet points as their as their focus and then they've written out this narrative that you have

55:00

Here on the screen their first four bullet points racial injustice police brutality criminal justice reform black immigration

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These are these are the first four bullet points. These bullet points would seem to be

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While I disagree with them. They seem to be consistent with what we would expect from the message

55:21

They're putting forth as black lives matter However, when we look at the last nine points of it, this is where it gets interesting

55:30

Yeah, and and I do want to say, you know I don't know if you guys have heard that there's a campaign where everyone's supposed to call or Message all their friends and family and let them know

55:43

That they're not gonna speak to them until those people go and support black lives matter financially

55:50

Okay, the company's I mean and we'll get to this maybe later but how many people have been fired there's the one

55:58

Athlete, I don't know his name, but he was fired from the the because of what his wife said

56:05

What happened to Justin? Yeah, you're talking about cross. It's the CrossFit founder his no.

56:10

No, I'm sorry No, you're talking about Drew Brees his wife. Yeah, the football player Drew Brees his wife came out and said something

56:18

Apologize herself and and the things he got fired for something she said on social media.

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Oh, that's a different story. Yeah Really clear about this what's going on? This is

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What you see with companies this is economic terrorism people's jobs are being on the line unless they carry a certain tone

56:37

There's no they're they are restricting freedom of speech They they no freedom of speech no freedom of religion

56:46

The that is the real goal behind this is to end this stuff And you know what you end up seeing here is you're going to see they they're gonna say we're open -minded

56:56

While they shut down anyone that disagrees with them anyone that doesn't carry the party line and you see this in companies where companies are

57:03

Being forced it is not in a company's best interest to take a position Politically and for generations that they you didn't have that Okay, this is one of the things

57:13

Barack Obama changed He got businesses to push a political agenda and now what happens people are afraid to speak out of bins about these things because they'll get fired so Good reason to work for yourself for for ministry, but ministry doesn't pay.

57:29

So Unless you're Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Well, yeah, so Let's look at a couple of these

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Because I do want to look at some of these, you know We we acknowledge respect and celebrate differences and commonalities

57:47

Now I want to address this because there's nothing that sounds wrong about that. It sounds like a good thing

57:55

But I want you to remember this one because it's the only time you're going to see it Because after as we go through these

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The rest of them don't celebrate differences In fact, that's what all these these protests are about is that everyone isn't bowing a knee to a certain position

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Okay, this is intolerance You know The the fact is is that we have to understand that people have differences

58:25

People have commonalities and we want to focus as a nation on that which we have in common

58:31

And so Gary's giving it the saying that it that was a soccer player in LA that You know, oh, yeah, we're talking about the

58:41

Differences that they're focusing on is like the LGBTQ and that's who they're they're focusing how they're saying

58:48

Oh, we want to cater to these different people and invite them in but but that's the problem

58:54

This is who they're they're gaining and having part of their ministry what they're doing their mission

59:01

Well, and that's right and you know, Mike let's focus on how many of these actually deal with race and how many deal with homosexuality

59:09

The majority have to do with homosexuality. Well, there's a reason for that when you talk about I mean you think about it you have the the the arts the industry you have the the policies you have the the the legals you have

59:23

Attorneys you have Politicians you have the media Entertainment everything you can think of that is

59:30

So pro -homosexual today right now that if you speak negatively you are

59:37

Conspiracy nut you're a tyrant. You're you're evil and awful and become target for them and they're gonna come after you some way they're gonna come in and try to shut you down and shut you up I reminds me of the time that the

59:51

There was a professor at Brown University who came out against did an experiment on transgenderism and said how it was a mental illness and These are the same people crying science science but when she came out against it, they tried to blackball her and get her kicked out and and get her removed and She was just simply doing an experiment that that they didn't like the outcome of it

01:00:19

And and this is there, you know

01:00:28

It's We do a seminar on it so this is not something that It should be unaware to anyone who follows but there's a lot of people

01:00:40

I was talking to someone today who just is unaware that what's really behind this is

01:00:47

Mark social Marxism Exactly. It's the same thing that the the whole push for LGBT.

01:00:53

It's the same with the the the You know environmentalists and it's the same here the the the sad thing is what they think is gonna be the utopia where they're gonna have the freedom and other people are that have all this money is just gonna give it to them and They're not gonna have to work hard for for anything

01:01:11

It's just gonna be given to them The reality is when the when the the social Marxists get in power these very people that are out protesting peacefully or not are

01:01:22

Gonna lose all freedom They want to get rid of the police. Well when when when the social

01:01:27

Marxists replace the police With people that are in line with them.

01:01:33

Guess what happens you lose all your freedom Mafia did that to be you're going to be put into Concentration camps or anything like that that they want because they are gonna be the ones in control

01:01:45

But what are you missing? I mean if you notice the narrative that's not being spoken today on Almost any news media anywhere is about the trials that are going on that are exposing all of the past Criminalities that have been going on within our former government the former administration

01:02:04

The FBI leaders and all the things that are going on and that's why you know I'm not trying to be a conspiracy nut or whatever you will call it.

01:02:12

But yeah, we know that the kovat 19 thing was going on and it was There was people that were dying and it was it was bad but was it as terrible as that was let on or was it just a a

01:02:26

Position to get everybody in home and in quiet and once it stopped what happened? Oh, we got to go, right?

01:02:31

Yeah, but here's the thing. Okay, so I Still the whole kovat thing does get me because I don't understand like, you know, you want to say it's conspiracy

01:02:40

I find it hard to believe the whole world would follow with that I mean, I do see that, you know, China releases this thing and it does benefit

01:02:47

China They're able to while everyone's at home They crack down on Hong Kong and shut it down and have just taken over what they would they should we're not supposed to do for another 50 years or a little bit less then you have them just Basically saying well now we're gonna try to break up the trade deal that they didn't like in the first place

01:03:06

And then you know and then you had people that were trying to keep people at home After the the numbers come out that you know, there really isn't a reason to keep you like the whole thing

01:03:16

The stay at home was not a cure stay at home was to prevent having hospitals overfilled with people, but it was never a cure and so it was always gonna be we had to get back to work and so but there were people that saw this and said hey we can we this if we could destroy and this is the pathetic thing

01:03:37

For the Democrats the only way they win the election is by destroying the economy and the country That's what they said.

01:03:43

They would do. Yeah, and and now you end up seeing that the economy is coming back and pretty strong and now all you're hearing is

01:03:52

About this and why and I do think it is a part of what you're saying The last thing they want to do is show that you know,

01:03:59

Biden and Obama Were breaking the law at the highest level of government committing treason by un -american citizen so but so let's let's go through these because I think

01:04:12

We want to get through them and folks who want to come in challenge us or ask questions go to apologetics live comm

01:04:18

There's a link to join there we vigorously we work vigorously for freedom and Justice for black people and by extension all people know that sounds good

01:04:31

But when when you're doing half a billion dollars of damage in just in Minneapolis How is that justice?

01:04:41

No, here's the thing. I don't see any of these black lives matter people Crying out against the riots.

01:04:48

I have not seen it if it's there Maybe maybe it is but I would think that if it's there CNN would be blasting that But I haven't seen much of that.

01:04:57

I've seen people trying to say there isn't any uh rioting going on they're trying to you know, because after it started getting showing the the hypocrisy of it and really the hypocrisy is

01:05:09

You're seeing it as well with kovat. I think anthony you and I were talking about this earlier this week Right.

01:05:14

I mean i'm just every sunday. I'm gonna call it a protest. I'm gonna bow my knee before the king I'm gonna sing songs to the king.

01:05:21

I'm gonna read the king's words I'm gonna preach the king's words and we're gonna call it a protest Because if it's a protest

01:05:27

I don't have to wear masks I don't have to be socially distanced. I can have as many people in the room as as need be

01:05:34

That's a protest Now when anthony when you were out in ohio protesting for them to open the government people were saying you were putting everyone's lives at risk

01:05:44

Oh, yeah. Yeah Yeah, the news the news media were ripping us to shreds because we weren't standing six feet apart from one another didn't have masks on I mean never mind that the police and highway patrol that were there

01:05:57

Keeping an eye on things didn't have masks and weren't having six feet of distance between them either But you know, okay, so we we let's compare those protests first Why was there no violence by the police was it because you guys were white do you think?

01:06:12

No, I I think it's because we didn't break a single window I think it's because we didn't go steal anything out of businesses and we certainly didn't kill cops or kill other people

01:06:23

While peacefully like actually peacefully protesting No, here's the thing that I notice

01:06:31

And and I know I I shouldn't do this. I shouldn't apply critical thinking I know that's a bad thing with these things

01:06:40

When you do a protest during the day um You know, do you have a lot of people there to see it during the day?

01:06:53

When you think in the middle of the day, right there's going to be people At night are more people out at night to see a protest or during the day?

01:07:04

I'm gonna be it during the day, isn't it? So right off the bat whenever you see a protest that's scheduled after dark

01:07:12

They don't have good intentions You know just generally you're not having good intentions

01:07:19

You're Huh, I said their deeds were done in darkness exactly Exactly, you know, so I I think that just that there's there really are two different protests that are going on There's those during the day and those at the night and I think we see a difference in behavior

01:07:35

But we also have to remember that there is there is something systemic I think going on anthony This is where I may disagree with you the systemic thing even in the questions that we had from You know, uh spooky bed hair

01:07:47

I think is my I forget the name if I got it wrong. Sorry But it's the idea that just because of the color of your skin all cops are looking to kill you

01:07:57

Yeah, that's systemic Not systemic in the in factual but systemic in thinking because it's been drilled into people

01:08:06

Exactly, and that's the narrative. That's that's what's been going on for Generations now is the idea of oppression olympics are going on You have the the you know, the the victim narrative status going on Where you're constantly a victim and and you're being taught

01:08:24

Not just not just um, hey, I think something's going on wrong in the system You know, you have to understand the system is america

01:08:32

What they're saying is is america Itself is systemically The system itself is racist that every single individual

01:08:44

Is racist or or they're they're oppressive or they're evil or they're wicked and they need to be uh re -educated

01:08:53

They need to be stopped from their from their America thinking the american way truth justice the american way and they need to be as humble clay says indoctrinated

01:09:04

They need to be indoctrinated and change their their philosophy There it needs to be changed as we just read there at the beginning of the show the philosophy of the world

01:09:15

Needs to overtake the philosophy of the past hundreds of years of christian ideology

01:09:22

That was in america not saying america is a christian nation, but we had a christian ideology and now that's changed

01:09:29

Now that's changed anthony. This question came up from melissa. What is antifa? Would you be able to address that?

01:09:38

you know Long story short. We don't know a ton about antifa The name antifa is supposed to stand for anti -fascist but in in reality, um, they seem to be very fascist

01:09:53

Um, look their their whole goal Is is really they're the ones who are doing everything they can to flip everything upside down Um, that's really the bottom line of who they are.

01:10:05

It's a very amorphous organization Which is why we don't have a lot of information on exactly who they are or or what they're about But they're growing and they're radicalized

01:10:16

And and I really look at them as as the next isis It's just the isis of america is really who they seem to be

01:10:26

Well, one thing that I want to make sure that everybody knows Um, i've done some studying on antifa.

01:10:31

Okay, it's not been a lot because there's not like you said anthony There's not a super A huge amount out there because it's it's suppressed

01:10:39

Um, but if you will, uh, look at some of the riots that have been going on in the different college campuses whatnot those were actually

01:10:46

Uh part of antifa groups for the most part. I mean you have you have two different leftist groups here that's going on black lives matters is more of a of a soft soft political group

01:11:01

Uh antifa is the radicalized um the leftists that are the children

01:11:08

Of the privileged groups that have come out of berkeley and harvard and yale and all these colleges and they've went from starting from Uh, the big colleges down to even the smallest colleges my own son

01:11:23

Uh was talking about, you know the where he was at, uh, in in one field

01:11:29

You know versus one field versus another you can have an entire different college experience one being all political all leftist all

01:11:40

You know agenda for the for the narrative the change And it comes out of social marks marxism.

01:11:48

It comes out of the the uh, the indoctrination uh, but it actually believe it or not a lot of it came from uh

01:11:56

Like I said the coming out of world war ii bringing people into indoctrinate and to teach our children

01:12:02

And we saw it open its open itself up its head up with the occupy wall street

01:12:08

I got a question for you. Are the are the two overlapping is antifa overlapping with uh, black lives matter

01:12:17

Are they combining and now this is like a conglomeration here of what we're seeing it's

01:12:25

Organized disorganization and the whole purpose in it. Um you see There look there are there are people that are that are that are have been fed a narrative all of their lives

01:12:37

That have been told all of their lives that I mean, I I actually listened today to a man doing a ted talk

01:12:44

And he said I I had I had to write it down. It just it broke my heart Well, I had to actually write it down what he said

01:12:50

He did a ted talk and he said that when he was going through alabama that he him and his white girlfriend was pulled over and uh

01:12:58

At night, they were pulled over and he said I I did what I was always taught to do I I got my my wallet out my

01:13:05

I got my stuff out and all my information out and put it out on the on the On the dash I put my hands up on there and he says and I survived

01:13:15

Being pulled over by a female police officer and everybody cheered Did you hear the political narrative did you hear the leftist narrative did you hear the the the the victim narrative

01:13:26

I survived being pulled over see they're taught this these groups of blm and and antifa and and all of these people in these different groups are being taught that that You know that white racist cops are trying to kill you and that's all they want to do

01:13:45

But you know why you know why that person survived? Because he didn't do anything every single other person survives when you're not causing a problem

01:13:54

You know what a police officer's main thing they want to do get home in the night He wants to pull velcro off his side.

01:14:00

Yeah, I mean it's it's the the reality is that if if you know i've been pulled over and You know,

01:14:09

I remember once I got pulled over because our light was uh, I didn't know it I didn't immediately assume the officer had you know ill intentions and of course they're gonna say well that's because you're white

01:14:20

Well, you know the the reality is if you Behave like someone who is going to be a threat then someone who is in a position of authority

01:14:31

If they feel threatened Are going to apply authority. Let me ask you a question.

01:14:36

Andrew. Hold on. Mike's gonna ask him. Oh good No, you opened up earlier about the man who got pushed down the older man and uh

01:14:47

I mean, I look at the guy what he was doing for that instance here is an army of police coming with clubs and and shields and helmets and you think you're gonna dance through this

01:15:02

Group of men who are coming in all business And kind of get in between it's not gonna happen and so I really

01:15:10

Uh, I think it was a little aggressive. They could have been a little more Kinder and gentler with the guy and maybe push them aside or someone could have said.

01:15:18

Hey, mister move out of the way but you don't go like kind of like into the crowd of police who are coming to do their job and and and I and I think that's the problem is that People think they can just do whatever they want.

01:15:32

You see that coming you get out of the way. It's common sense Well, and that's the thing. Let me just I want because we do want to get through these points

01:15:40

All right No, no, no, you're you're fine. It's more Justin and I and anthony

01:15:47

Mike says like four words and he apologizes He should we like when you when you speak mike.

01:15:52

So let's look at this We we work, uh vigorously for the freedom and justice of black people by extension of all people the point

01:16:01

I see with this one is What they're calling freedom and justice Is not freedom for all people

01:16:09

That when you declare that you want the police defunded And get rid of the police

01:16:15

So that they've been not arresting you That's not going to be freedom for other people Okay But and with each one of these they it actually shows more of They start off with the the the thing that everyone can agree with.

01:16:29

All right Respect for of ours and celebrate our differences and commonalities. Everyone can agree with that Okay, but with each one of these you start to see their agenda build we intentionally build and nurture a

01:16:44

Beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful Struggle that is restorative and Not depletive.

01:16:55

So here here just into what you said here is the narrative right in here Yeah, the struggle now now if you read james cone and any any

01:17:04

One that has done anything in the area of social justice, uh black liberation theology, you know the name james cone

01:17:11

But you read his books in the 60s and 70s and 80s and what's his argument? His argument is that blacks are treated as subhuman

01:17:20

There was a time that was true. Yes, not today. He argues that blacks are not allowed a freedom of vote

01:17:28

There was a time that was true, but that's not today See, they're stuck in a narrative.

01:17:34

That's the past Arguments that worked for the past and they're trying to use them today So that is the problem is that they're they're not having the struggle that they claim

01:17:46

The struggle that you see that they're arguing for today is the self -created struggle and if you want the evidence of that Read barack obama's books

01:17:56

Yeah, he'll tell you that he didn't notice it. He didn't notice racism He had to be taught it his mother realizes as a 14 50 year old boy that he didn't know what it meant to be black

01:18:10

Isn't that part of being the color I mean, he's supposed to be the first black president, but it sounds like he didn't know what it meant to be black

01:18:18

What does it mean? It wasn't he wasn't liberal enough see because Race what they call now for racism has nothing to do with color of skin

01:18:27

It's a they'll argue it's an economic problem. It's a political issue Yeah, that's why well can't be racist and that's what

01:18:34

I was going to ask you andrew. Um, This this narrative that's going on. Um, let's say go back.

01:18:42

Um 60 years 70 years. Um We put andrew rapaport and his family in germany

01:18:52

Are they going to say? Oh, you're a white guy. You're okay Are they going to say? um

01:18:58

You have a little jewish and have a little yellow sticker with six stars

01:19:04

Yeah, and see here's the thing the the constant victim narrative It has an agenda it has a purpose and the whole entire purpose

01:19:13

It's not about it's not about. Um, true justice. You have to ask the question.

01:19:19

What is justice? You know when you take you say you want justice. It's you know, vaude balcombe said it this way.

01:19:25

He said justice Is it's never has an adjective with it. There's no such thing as social justice when you take take anything and put it into Um an adjective in front of justice you destroy the meaning of the term justice because justice means that you are just and right with the law and in this case true justice

01:19:48

Is your just and right with the the final standard of all law and that has to be god

01:19:54

Okay, and and the reason we can say that is because in order for you to say it was wrong

01:19:59

And by the way as a christian, um, mike said it just right as a christian I have a worldview that can justify

01:20:07

Why it was wrong for that police officer and why he should get the death penalty For doing what he did.

01:20:12

He murdered that man and I can say it As a consistent christian that what he did was was wrong.

01:20:19

It was wicked. It was violent. It was disgusting But I can also turn around and say true justice

01:20:24

Doesn't blind itself and doesn't say it is perfectly acceptable for me to kill steal and destroy

01:20:31

I I can say it's it's right for me to seek justice to love mercy and to do what?

01:20:37

Walk humbly with my god. Yeah Okay, so we're gonna get into some more here And anthony we may have to do a part two because I know you probably had some other things

01:20:48

Well, I I do let me let me say this though before you start talking through more of this before You know because I want to make sure people understand at least a basic overview of this issue

01:20:58

Black lives matter again has 13 bullet points and that's what we're kind of working through right now But just just the bullet points right first for racial injustice police brutality criminal justice reform black immigration

01:21:11

I would disagree with the way they define those but at least we can say that According to black lives matters.

01:21:18

It seems to be consistent with what they're trying to Gain or what they're aiming for The last nine points on their list and these are the things we're going to continue to go through here with andrew are these economic injustice

01:21:32

That's cultural mark. I'm sorry. That's that's classic marxism Lgbtq and human rights

01:21:39

That's cultural marxism environmental conditions cultural marxism voiding rights and suppression cultural marxism healthcare

01:21:48

Universal type health care cultural marxism government corruption Well the way they define it.

01:21:54

It's cultural marxism education cultural marxism common sense gun laws cultural marxism

01:22:02

The all of these things if you go back and look at what the what happens In the period of the enlightenment period that led to the french revolution

01:22:12

This is all This is all cultural marxism. This is cultural marxism before we had

01:22:18

Karl marx Who came about who wrote his book his 60 -ish years or so after the french revolution?

01:22:26

and and so We can trace the history. I don't think we're gonna have time to do it tonight And maybe i'll do it right at the very end.

01:22:33

It's fascinating to understand What is actually going on right now with black lives matter and what the actual?

01:22:41

um What they're actually trying to accomplish in the background So so having said all that it's most of what their agenda is is cultural marxism.

01:22:50

It's not What they're claiming it to be in black lives matter. Well, but how do you how do you get rid of?

01:22:56

Look what you're doing to poor john wilkinson there. Look you're putting him to sleep. Look at this I mean, he's out like a light there listening to you.

01:23:03

Oh there see he woke up So but think about it, how do you how do you change the the the the um the fundamental ideology of a nation when you go in and you do things like uh point number six is

01:23:20

Uh, we make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate. Yeah, let's get

01:23:27

We're because these actually build in a in a pattern, right? Yeah, but let's let's get because and we'll pick up the pace because I think anthony's right to go through the history and and the thing is that Understand that what what

01:23:39

I believe is this Blacks in america are being used by the same democrat party that enslaved them for years.

01:23:46

They wanted to keep them in slaves To keep them from voting to keep them murdered in the womb

01:23:53

That's the party of the democrats And what do you see they're just finding another way to enslave them to keep them down To keep them from getting education to keep them from having a family so that they can keep them in control and voting for them

01:24:06

That's what this is about And and maybe if we get a chance i'll play Justin, you sent me a clip of a pastor that said that exact same thing except he happens to also be black saying the very same thing so uh

01:24:19

I just blew this up. So it's a little bit easier to read uh We we see ourselves as part of the the global black family

01:24:29

And we are aware of the different ways. We are impacted Or privileged as black people who exist in different parts of the world now,

01:24:38

I find that interesting because They always say that whites have the privilege um

01:24:44

But what are they doing? They're trying to say blacks all over the world. Well, I got news for you blacks in africa

01:24:51

Have a very different culture than blacks in america And so it's it's you know, the the idea that just of color of skin makes the unity

01:25:02

Breaks down in what I said of barack obama. He had to be taught what it meant to be black. Well, you shouldn't

01:25:08

If this is the case, you wouldn't have to be taught it um, we are guided by the the fact that all black lives matter regardless of actual or perceived sexual

01:25:20

Identity, wait, wait, what? How did that get in there? Right. This is where we start to see the change that anthony was talking about and mike was talking about All of a sudden this is all black lives matter regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity gender identity gender expression economic status ability disability religious beliefs or disbeliefs immigration status or location

01:25:46

Huh? Well, but you think first you want to see that this is a destruction of the nuclear family

01:25:52

Let's stop saying nuclear the biblical family And so we make space for transgender brothers and sisters

01:25:59

To participate and lead and I think maybe this is why people are asking the question of are the founders

01:26:06

Homosexual or practices because so much of this is going to be about homosexuality, which has nothing to do with the blacks

01:26:14

In fact, typically blacks used to be against homosexuality more than the whites But you know, that's all changing because again, there's this

01:26:24

Forcing of the agenda you know so, uh, we we are self -reflective reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift black trans folk, especially black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by the the trans -agnostic violence now, so Here's the thing that you end up saying

01:26:53

What does the whole idea cisgender or any of this have to do with being black Does everybody know what cisgender means?

01:27:01

a good point So cisgender is this concept like, you know, you have male and female

01:27:09

It means normal. Let's just be honest. It means normal biblical genders

01:27:14

It means what the science says you're born male or female period let's just let's just Be blunt.

01:27:23

Okay, it's normal 10 years What what? Every culture everywhere around the world believed for the last except for the last 10 years

01:27:32

But yeah, but it's it's affirming delusion It's saying that sin in the name of tolerance and empowerment

01:27:38

Is is okay and destroying a biblical standard of complementarianism And it's it's uh, egalitarianism.

01:27:46

It is uh, uh trans and and all of the other lgbtq agenda ideologies but the whole purpose is

01:27:55

There's not enough people that are so radicalized. They want to destroy the nation

01:28:01

So let's go ahead and and engulf as many people that are anti -christ

01:28:07

And you know indulgent In this one movement to get as many people in that movement as possible

01:28:13

Justin, you know what this reminds me of this so reminds me of four years ago

01:28:18

When the four of us were down in dc for the reason rally and the four years before that when the atheists were going to show

01:28:25

What a political clout they had and they were going to have this reason rally and they would do it in dc Just before an election and basically they had this big, you know

01:28:34

Get together where they're going to talk about atheism and all they did was bass christians and conservatives.

01:28:39

That was all it was It was nothing about atheism. I listened to the talks and four years ago They were going to show that they had this major impact

01:28:46

They had it all scheduled that they were going to have atheists meeting meeting with Senators and and congressmen to show how much clout they had that they could be a a force and what did they do?

01:28:56

They did the same thing black lives matter did they wanted to kowtow to the the homosexuals to say hey

01:29:01

We're welcoming to them and it it diluted their message And and a whole bunch of atheists didn't and and you know what this year you guys you guys enjoyed going to a reason rally, right?

01:29:10

Oh, wait, they didn't have that's right And Blame for it that you know, we ruined their event.

01:29:16

We we did make up 20 of their event we were evangelizing. That's what we were doing and so it was kind of upsetting though anthony for for years striving fraternity hosted events down there to to promote evangelism where you gather a bunch of Atheists and and now we can't do it anymore because they don't have the political clout they claim

01:29:36

You look like you're going to say something No, I you know what I was really looking forward to going down there again this year and I was uh,

01:29:43

Really sad to find out that that uh, they weren't they weren't doing it But you know, I I distinctly remember the atheists that were there

01:29:50

Were really upset that they were over as they said overrun by the homosexuals

01:29:56

Yeah, right. I mean they were they were upset about it I think they were almost as upset at the homosexuals for overrunning their event as they were the christians being there

01:30:05

Yeah, and I saw that as I walked through the crowd witnessing to both sides it was really really interesting so let's let's

01:30:13

Because I do want to try to get through this so you can get to some of the stuff you had there Um, we build a space that affirms black women

01:30:21

And it's free from sexism misogyny and environments In which men are centered now

01:30:31

So if i'm reading this, right They're against black men Yep I mean it is started by three women

01:30:40

So it sure seems that they just they just rejected half of the blacks

01:30:46

Who's less unless the men are wearing dresses? maybe um

01:30:52

We but then they would just be men who are cross -dressing Or trans

01:30:58

And you know someone used to be men who were cross -dressing. Yeah, so Anthony son, you did say earlier that I I did want to mention and Highlight for folks because may appeal may not pick up on it when you said that this is about biology

01:31:12

Cisgender is about biology People are born xxxy. I mean you're male. You're female if if the these people who want to say there is no god

01:31:22

Okay, if there is a god then there's male and female there. That's it. That's all that god created

01:31:29

If you say there is no god Then you got a real dilemma if you're saying that people can identify as a female but actually be born male because their biology

01:31:39

The science is male They can't go against that The only way they could identify different than their biology is if there's something immaterial of them a spirit

01:31:52

Something that if there is no god that can't exist So you see they they end up in these arguments blowing away their atheism

01:32:00

Blowing away their arguments for science Okay, so we practice empathy we engage comrades

01:32:08

Wait that where do we hear that term comrades? There you go I mean, this is right out of What you end up seeing with social marxism what you see out of mao and lenin and stalin

01:32:23

Okay This is not language that you typically hear in america Okay, we and we we practice empathy we engage comrades with the intent to learn

01:32:34

About and connect with their context now. Are they trying to do that with the white context?

01:32:44

And that's the issue Okay You don't do that with the and and let's make make it clear

01:32:51

This is not about the overthrow of america. Okay, because I want to make sure that's so clear This is about the overthrow of god

01:33:00

Because if you look everywhere In the united states and that's what the ripping down of all of our history is all about To destroy our history so that we don't understand that we were a people that came out of depraved wicked societies that were unbiblical societies john's asleep and we have we have these societies that were were

01:33:23

We said that they were unrighteous and we wanted to have a free land where we could worship who our god, we wanted to be able to worship god freely and and This that's what this country was founded upon whether you whether you want to say that america is a christian nation or not

01:33:41

Our founding documentation was that we wanted to be able to worship god freely And have the freedom of religion.

01:33:48

Sorry, uh dan brown. It's not freedom from Religion, it is freedom of religion.

01:33:54

They wanted to be able to worship god According to the dictates of scripture not according to the mandates of men

01:34:01

And they wanted to be able to honor god and to serve him and they brought along a lot of sin a lot of baggage

01:34:07

And it took a long time and a war and fighting and civil war and all kinds of stuff For people to to work out the wickedness and depravity that they've been taught for so long

01:34:19

And and we have a we have an entire society that is founded upon in god we trust it's

01:34:24

Our society is founded upon The god of the bible now make it clear. It's not just saying in any god

01:34:30

We trust it's the god of the bible and when the people say we need to destroy the system

01:34:36

They're saying they need to destroy the american way of life where we are one nation under god

01:34:44

You know and you and you look at this what we're looking at here. It's just uh the homosexual agenda under the guise of black lives matter when this all started, uh there was that whole thing where they were offended because comparing black, uh slavery to and and black oppression

01:35:05

To homosexual oppression and and that's not the case here what we're seeing through this is is the very opposite they're trying to come in under the guise of the uh, black lives matter and It's just uh, it's the agenda they're trying they're trying to use that I mean

01:35:22

I mean look look most of these things don't have to do more with homosexuality. Let's see And look at remember.

01:35:28

What is it that everybody has said is needed? It's $15 an hour education

01:35:35

Well, it's you know, you you need you know, what is it that that gets people out of you know the jews that came out of the holocaust

01:35:43

They didn't go to the government and say give us handouts put us on the government dole you need to make things right

01:35:51

What they did was they said they said to their kids get an education Get in a position where you you have control over your future

01:35:59

Get have a strong family See, but everything that you're going to read here now is about the destruction of the family and the destruction of education

01:36:10

And that they're they're actually trying to keep people in that position the why because you know and I I forget the quote that I got from uh

01:36:20

Daryl, harrison, but there's a quote that he got from uh, Frederick douglas that said as long as there's there's people who can profit from racism racism will continue and that's what you have here

01:36:31

There if you go to this website, I mean they are covered Covered with different things of asking for money

01:36:39

This is big money folks Yes, you can big money at this and as long as they can keep making money

01:36:45

They're going to keep people down keep them feeling that they're oppressed and who's doing the oppression It's the it's the very people that say they're leading them

01:36:52

We make we make spaces what they say we make spaces family -friendly Okay, so family -friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children sounds good so far, right?

01:37:04

We dismantle the patriotic patriarchal Practice that requires mothers to work double shifts

01:37:12

So that they can do they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work

01:37:20

Now think about what that's saying they So so what is it that they're saying here is the family -friendly but the problem is a patriarchal side in other words

01:37:29

If you have a father that goes out and works and the mother who stays home and raises the kids somehow that's wrong

01:37:34

Well, they're not as we go as we get up remember earlier. I want to make sure

01:37:39

I read it, right? But they they said earlier In one of their early ones that they they celebrate our differences commonalities

01:37:46

They work for freedom and justice for for all people ultimately, right? So these were the things they they want to they they want to um do all this

01:37:55

But what do you see they want to destroy the very things that are going to help the family they want to destroy

01:38:01

The family and where's the family double shifts by the way working double shifts is not because some guy was was

01:38:08

Taught that he could be a deadbeat dad just impregnate a woman She can go on welfare or work while he's gone and she's having to work and raise a kid on a doing now double shifts when

01:38:21

I saw that at first I thought they were against women who have to work two jobs And still raise a family because that's really what happens in a lot of these cases

01:38:29

But no, what what is it that they want so that they don't have to mother in private as they practice

01:38:35

Public justice work in other words. What's more important to them? the practice of justice work not mothering they devalue

01:38:46

What real what the real joy should be for the mother? Is to raise the family

01:38:51

That's a privilege us guys don't get they get to do that And that's something that they devalue

01:38:58

They demean it and they're not they're not even addressing the fact Is in the last one where they they're upset with the the the men

01:39:07

The black men, but they're not calling out the black men who are leaving these women as single mothers Which is a major problem in the black community.

01:39:16

Well, but think they're hiding behind a victimhood language again I mean look brother. That's the foundation of the dnc history.

01:39:23

I mean, it's the foundation that you're a victim you need The the big, you know, you need big brother and I know we've taken that context to say that's that's terrible

01:39:32

But but we when we say it takes a village and that's what they're going to say next You know this village ideology

01:39:39

We're gonna we're gonna sit there and say it takes a village Well, you know as as chris hans holt says they're basically the current generation wants to replace god with government and that's uh, that's communism 101

01:39:53

And that's exactly what they're saying comrade, you know, we want to we want to uh

01:40:00

What happens when the black lives matters the the lgbtq ia or whatever all the initials they have now?

01:40:08

Um, what happens when those and the antifa and and you know All the socialists and everything all the marxists get together and they actually take power.

01:40:16

They become the government So what they're saying is is we want to dismantle your government

01:40:22

Replace it with another government that will give everybody everything they want and if you will follow along with our program

01:40:28

We will give you whatever you want well, you want to see justin how quick that's affecting is notice that all of the

01:40:37

People that want gun control All these democrats and liberals have been fighting for gun control. They don't want guns

01:40:43

They say that guns are supposed to only be for hunting somehow when we would say the second amendment Is to protect us against the tyranny tyranny

01:40:51

Government a tyrannical government, right? And yet what are you hearing from black lives matter now?

01:40:57

They need military style weapons to fight the police. Well, wait, why do you need to fight the police?

01:41:03

You see they're calling for war When they say that all of a sudden all these, you know people that would be against guns are suddenly supportive

01:41:13

Of black lives matter having guns. They want to replace the police with a police force that they could control

01:41:19

Let's move on. We got four more left um Now look at their goal and just think is this really the the what they said at the beginning trying to celebrate?

01:41:30

You know our differences and commonalities We disrupt the western prescribed nuclear family structure

01:41:38

Requirement by supporting each other as an extended families and villages that collectively care for one another

01:41:44

Especially our children to the degree that mothers parents and children are comfortable Now notice they say this but they're against they're against What they claim is is with white privilege and white systemic racism they claim

01:42:00

But if that's what if that was really true, which I don't believe but if that was true

01:42:06

They shouldn't be fighting it according to this But what do they want they want to disrupt the western prescribed nuclear family again?

01:42:13

They want to destroy the family why because that's how they keep their control but think about Go ahead.

01:42:20

I'm, sorry. I I want to jump in real quick If you look here the the family friendly structure that you're talking about is the village

01:42:27

It's the village and here's the point The the western prescribed nuclear family is the biblical family

01:42:34

It's our laws are are founded upon the scripture and we understand that god has made them male and female

01:42:41

We understand that god has prescribed marriage and he has ordained it to be one man one woman for one lifetime

01:42:47

And that's exactly what god wants and and if you want to see your kids to be moral and right and upright and righteous

01:42:53

And not murderers and killers and thugs and everything else If you want to if you don't want to see them that way then you put you raise up a

01:43:00

A husband and a wife that is committed to one another and committed to the best good of that child

01:43:05

And i'll promise you if you try that you will see your society and your community

01:43:12

Grow up to be a better people and that's what god has has called for even in the wicked cultures that aren't godly

01:43:19

Even in those cultures that hold to a husband and a wife That raise their children in the righteous way and what they're saying is is they want to absolutely annihilate that they want to destroy it

01:43:31

But there's more than that They want to exploit children as the token next generation for the blm antifa and their social warriors

01:43:40

So that they have their vote as andrew said and they have their hearts and they have their souls

01:43:46

As the and that's what satan wants So So they say we we foster a queer affirming network

01:43:55

Can I say one more thing which by the way, I don't know what queer affirming has anything to do with being black Okay, can

01:44:01

I add can I add one thing in here real quick andrew? I I missed it, but I want to say this to the degree that mothers parents and children are comfortable what's missing fathers

01:44:13

And And that's really what you see you see that there This is a constant attack.

01:44:18

All these points are an attack on christian values and to have i'm sorry But to have jd greer the the head of the southern baptist convention be out there and saying that we need to support this

01:44:30

What is wrong with you? wolves and sheep This is this is so anti -christian

01:44:37

And yet they want to they want to make it sound like they're they're tolerant of all no you're you're hating christianity when you want to Look at the wording that they have disrupt

01:44:48

They want to disrupt They they want to dismantle These are not words of getting along.

01:44:54

These are not words of tolerance There's no forgiveness and there's no teaching of it. So they say we foster a queer affirming network

01:45:02

When we gather we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking

01:45:11

The belief that all in the world is heterosexual unless s he she she he

01:45:21

Or they disclose otherwise, so in other words, it's they're against the norm they're common sense biology male female

01:45:30

Okay um the the next one we cultivate an intergenerational and communal network of free

01:45:41

From ageism now, what does age have to do with color of skin? Again, we believe that all people regardless of age show up with capacity to lead and learn

01:45:54

That has nothing to do with black lives You see this is the whole thing This is how you know that this is a political agenda and not righting wrongs of justice of the black people

01:46:05

Black lives matter is not about black lives. It's about homosexuality Anti -family pro

01:46:15

You know, well not just homosexual pro pro transgender pro women taking the roles that men should have

01:46:23

It's it's an anti -biblical message the last one we embody and practice justice liberation and peace

01:46:29

In our engagements with one another that's that's what they claim. They're about Those are their those are their their their talking points

01:46:38

And they're exactly the opposite of every one of those things that you just mentioned. They're the complete opposite yeah, and you know, they hate when people will point out that if you if you would restore

01:46:51

Family and education you'd have a stronger black family you'd have

01:46:58

More educated blacks and you wouldn't have the arguments that people are trying to make today that they can't be educated

01:47:06

Yeah, it's not it's not about liberation It's not about justice They say that but in actuality, it's the complete opposite Well, and you think that those three uh number 13 there

01:47:18

We embody the practice and practice justice liberation and peace in our engagements with one another

01:47:26

We're we're at at uh at friendship with one another we're in fellowship with with one another

01:47:32

It reminds me of that passage that says something about you know, what what fellowship does light have with darkness? You know what friendship was, you know

01:47:39

Christ had with belial and if you think about it you think about this Anybody that doesn't openly affirm friendship with that group with antifa black lives matter lgbt socialism marxism

01:47:53

Your crush your sons you're destroyed. Uh, your your families are destroyed defamation looting

01:47:59

You know, you think there's there's destruction of property uh life and limb And this liberation theology

01:48:06

Is tied directly to the agenda that uh a religious tenant

01:48:13

Is not acceptable a biblical tenant is not acceptable and there can be no peace with you because you don't affirm

01:48:21

The things that even satan loves the sins of the world You know, it reminds me of first corinthians 6 if you listen to 9

01:48:31

What don't you understand that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of god? Do not be deceived neither the sexually immoral

01:48:37

The idolaters adulterers men who practice homosexuality thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor revilers

01:48:43

Those people love to fight and brawl nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of god Now here's the good news such were some of you

01:48:52

You can be washed and made clean you can be right with god If you will not look at your victimhood, but look that you are a victimizer

01:49:02

You're a sinner in the sight of a holy god. Just like I am And if you don't have christ wash you and make you clean you're going to stay that way

01:49:11

Sorry, I started to preach I I get there. That's that's a part of the job,

01:49:16

I guess Do you guys have a headache going through those points like I do right now? Actually I do you know, it's really is an infuriating because what it shows is that You know, so many people don't know what they're really about Yeah, and and people are funding these guys and companies

01:49:34

Are being encouraged and encouraging people. I mean all the fortune 500 companies are are sending out

01:49:41

I mean I have friends who sent these to me where their companies are like Encouraging them go go donate to this

01:49:47

You know, there's one person's company if you take a day off they'll pay you to take a day off To go protest now the irony is

01:49:57

I asked him, you know, are you you're supposed to be working from home because of covet? Yeah But your company's going to pay you that you're not allowed to go to the office because that could be dangerous to your health

01:50:06

But they're going to pay you a free day off to go and protest You know the reality is a lot of these protesters are being paid 200 a day to go protest

01:50:18

You know, I I had someone I talked to today. He has his boom. His business is booming He's trying to hire people but no one's got, you know, he can't get anybody to come in because They're being paid to stay at home

01:50:29

Or to go protest. Yeah, at least that ends soon, right? I think towards the end of july that's done

01:50:34

So yeah, hopefully, you know, the thing is what do you have? You know, I sent There was a conservative black who basically said the problem in the black community and you hear this from plenty of people, you know um

01:50:48

Candace owens says this Uh, bill cosby says this I mean a lot of of blacks who have said this that the problem with the black community

01:50:57

Is fatherless homes And a lack of education when you when you have a fatherless home and you have a mother who's working two or three jobs

01:51:04

Just to try to make ends meet She has no time to focus on her her children

01:51:11

She's exhausted by the time she gets home and then she's trying to clean and cook and take care of them They're not getting a good education and they're not getting a good home and what ends up happening the very things that we see

01:51:23

That's that's the big thing that a lot of people don't want to focus on A lot of people don't want to focus on what we end up seeing is is caused within their own community

01:51:34

Okay, amen. Um And and you know, they could you know, you could blame others all you want

01:51:42

But there is a point in time where every culture every people every person needs to say, you know what

01:51:49

I need to take Responsibility for my own actions and that's what we don't see you.

01:51:54

You see all this writing and looting. What are they doing? They're blaming others It's the police's fault.

01:52:00

Really? You you know, you you need new kicks because of the police, right? I mean, they're they're breaking into footlocker and stealing shoes

01:52:09

That's that's because of the police that's justice no, it's not You want you you figure you can get away with it and and wait till they defund the police

01:52:18

You know, you have no police there. It's really gonna happen. So uh, anthony, we we got about 10 minutes left you want to Rush through the history that you had yeah,

01:52:29

I I I will i'm gonna do a a special thing here I'm, not gonna go through all the history of it, but i'm do something different Um, I want to say this and before I get to it in the city of cleveland, you know

01:52:39

I'm in a suburb of cleveland, ohio uh 85 -ish percent of African -american kids because I hate the term black.

01:52:51

They're not black. We're not white. We're all shades of brown, whatever Rum is most of them aren't african -american either.

01:52:58

I know I know I know so anyways around 85 percent of kids are in fatherless homes 85 percent and this is consistent with big cities across the country

01:53:14

Let's solve the fatherhood problem first And and then I think you're gonna see a lot of other things fall into place for black people

01:53:23

You know, I can tell you my son's almost 13 if I wasn't around It's hard enough

01:53:30

With me being around to keep him in line Let alone if a father was not in the house, you know, and so I I I agree with that You know, you've seen him, right?

01:53:43

He's a great kid he's very intelligent, but he's also, you know, he's a sinner So, okay.

01:53:50

I still wish that you'd keep justin in line Yeah, I try There you go

01:53:55

So, okay, so let me give this let me give this to you guys because I find this just fascinating I'm somewhat of a history buff.

01:54:03

I love history And I I also recognize that history has a tendency to repeat itself very similar to the issue

01:54:10

Uh, we read in the bible. There's nothing new under the sun um I I want to give a little bit of history going back

01:54:19

Even further than what i've done with social justice over the last hundred ish years so For anybody who's listening who knows a little bit about history

01:54:27

Did yeah, anthony just admit that he's hundreds of years old. That's what it sounded like to me That's that's why

01:54:34

I have a receding hairline So for those of you who are history buffs 1715 to 1719 what's significant about those dates?

01:54:45

That is what we call the french enlightenment period also known as renaissance humanism

01:54:51

And this is a time period that was marked by philosophers and scientists and uh

01:54:57

In in general what they were doing is writing to undermine The monarchy and the church which was all over europe, right?

01:55:05

I mean you had monarchy and church and a lot of times those were those were tied very close together and so The french enlightenment period and the philosophers of that time they centered on this what they called the sovereignty of reason

01:55:17

So the church is sovereignty of god the philosophers are sovereignty of reason the exact opposites and uh

01:55:27

Their source of knowledge is is the evidence that they gain from their senses Versus our source of knowledge is from god

01:55:36

Now they advanced ideals in their writings liberty progress toleration and separation of church and state

01:55:45

So here's what I find really interesting 1789 marked the time the starting point of the french revolution

01:55:55

And without getting into too much detail on this. This is essentially what happens Is uh is you have three classes of people you have the upper class which held virtually all the power

01:56:07

This was the nobility and clergy They held all the power the second class

01:56:13

That held virtually no power were what they call a bourgeoisie. These were the business owners merchants bankers this type of stuff

01:56:23

And then you had your your bottom which were the workers the laborers and this was essentially there was a class system and there was

01:56:35

Tension in the classes, but the biggest tension didn't come from the lower class working class

01:56:41

The biggest tension came from the middle class who were the bourgeoisie again business owners bankers merchants

01:56:49

Because they're saying well, wait a minute. We hold like a lot of wealth We own business and commerce

01:56:55

But we have virtually no power. We want power And so what happened?

01:57:01

They are the ones who started the french revolution But did the bourgeoisie

01:57:09

Do the work themselves Of course not. What did they do? they

01:57:16

They went down to the lowest class And they got them to rise up And so they got the workers to rise up the working class and they got them to do the riding looting and striking during the french revolution

01:57:31

And so the merchants again ones who wanted the revolution They wanted power and they got the low class what they would call the low class to do the work for them now as as a little a few years went on what happens the

01:57:48

Bourgeoisie the middle class they gained a ton of power. I mean there was the They they they chopped the king's head off.

01:57:55

They killed many other people. They gained lots of power But then some things didn't go so well for a little while The bourgeoisie started to lose out a little bit to whom to the low class who was uprising because They still had something they wanted to gain out of this

01:58:12

And as they're trying to gain power what ends up happening? The entire police the police overthrown because the the nobility were overthrown churches overthrown

01:58:23

It's it's literal anarchy for years until a certain individual comes into power

01:58:30

Napoleon bonaparte Comes into power in a police state through the military squashes everybody so at the end of this we have

01:58:44

The power being held by literally a dictator government control Yes, there is still more power gained by the middle class and more clout

01:58:55

But ultimately the ones who did all the rioting were the ones who ended up In the exact same position that they started with So why why do

01:59:06

I find this fascinating because if we forward about from this point? We forward about 60 years and we now get into Karl Marx And Karl Marx and there's other philosophers at the time

01:59:18

Karl Marx Started to look at well, wait a minute look at how how france kind of evolved through this time and we still see we still see the

01:59:29

The merchants the bourgeoisie owners having power and having lots of wealth

01:59:35

The lower class not having it because again, even though they did all the work during the french revolution They stayed in the exact same position in the end

01:59:43

And and at that point Karl Marx saying well, wait a minute The bourgeoisie are gaining

01:59:50

Lots off of the worker working class. We need to equal out the economy here

01:59:55

And so this is this is where the birth of classical marxism came from which is which is again

02:00:02

Evening out the money evening out the wealth among all the people So I say all this is the background because this is really important And for those of you who've seen my social justice teachings if you haven't go to the striving fraternity website

02:00:16

Find where I spoke on this last july at the striving fraternity Equipped jersey conference.

02:00:21

You can get the whole hour there and get the background to the social justice But these two things go go together perfectly

02:00:29

So now let's fast forward to today We have a leftist agenda that is trying to gain power and control for themselves

02:00:41

Yep, these are essentially the bourgeoisie These guys

02:00:47

Want the power are they fighting it themselves? Nope What are they doing? They've gotten the lower class

02:00:54

Not my not by what I would call it, but you know, but government standards they get the low class the working class

02:01:00

To get up into loot and to riot They get them to do the bidding for themselves Now while they do this just like what we saw in the french revolution, and by the way, this has been copied in history many many many times

02:01:13

They're going to riot. They're going to loot. They're going to steal. They're going to destroy They're going to do what they want to get rid of the police well played just like it's been done many times before and so Literally the low class black lives matter.

02:01:27

Hear me out If you don't understand what is going on you are being used right now

02:01:33

You're being used by the left you're being used by the left political agenda And you're being used to do all of this stuff and tifa

02:01:41

You're just the you're just the strong arm side of this and as as this is going on Who is going to gain all the power?

02:01:48

It's the leftist and when you abolish all the police while you're trying to gain the control and power you're trying to gain

02:01:54

Guess who's going to squash you out in the end with a police state? Today's bourgeoisie

02:02:00

You're democrats you're liberals who are trained to trying to gain power not for you but for themselves

02:02:08

And so that is what communism is is when you have one Or a few people wealthy people in charge of everybody and this is why you see billionaire businessmen

02:02:21

And very very wealthy sports guys sports figures all in the leftist agenda because they're part of it and so This is not about conspiracy people guys.

02:02:34

This is literally this is history repeating itself We have a we have a perfect historical context from french revolution, but we've got many other times

02:02:43

So I I really hope that you really look into this and get a get an understanding and for those of you who are listening this who are

02:02:50

Who don't understand what to think about black lives matters and maybe what they say on the outset seems to be reasonable

02:02:57

I want you to understand this is not reasonable Obviously, we're out of time today I think we're going to have to do another show on this real soon and actually walk through what the bible teaches

02:03:07

Versus what black lives matter says I know what their bullet points today as andrew clearly went over as as justin

02:03:14

I also spoke to Every one of those bullet points is against the bible and and I think we're gonna do another show

02:03:20

As to exactly how it's against the bible in every way amen

02:03:28

Uh anthony's doing a message on sunday, too. Maybe we can get that. Uh Recorded and you can get that out on black lives matter.

02:03:36

Yep. Absolutely. Yeah, so i'll be doing a sermon at uh, So i'm filling in for pastor austin hetzler again at christ the rock church leary ohio

02:03:43

And uh, i'll be doing a sermon on this it I I have a feeling you know Austin is a is a record breaker his sermons usually go like an hour, you know anywhere from like 55 minutes to an hour and 15

02:03:54

I think i'm gonna break his record when it comes this sunday Yeah, i'm not surprised.

02:04:00

So you're going for three or four Yeah, somewhere three or four hours. I don't know. We'll figure it out

02:04:06

You know one thing I just want a little anthony there. I see him in the reflection Actually, that's little julie.

02:04:13

She oh that's It's the same height I can see they're about the same height and just as skinny.

02:04:20

Yeah Okay What are you gonna say? Um, you know there

02:04:27

Yeah, we're here. Justin. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. I thought I was I thought I was mean I just I didn't want to interrupt But I just I want to make it clear to everybody that hears this, you know um

02:04:37

The the murder of uh, mr. George floyd, uh, george floyd It was it was vile.

02:04:44

It was disgusting It was heartbreaking. I I I couldn't watch all of it

02:04:49

I watched the eyes and the intent I watched how he was being held down And for those that don't know

02:04:56

I am a former police officer. I spent eight years in law enforcement. I I got out Uh after a while for other reasons um

02:05:06

But we were never trained to do that type stuff there was a restraint that you showed that you when you have somebody in handcuffs you

02:05:16

You you be very gentle because you got to realize and i'm not saying kid gloves But you have to be very very careful because you could hurt somebody really bad and this is evidence now any stupid uh department that would think it was okay to To to do that type of a hold or to try to justify it

02:05:35

Uh, i'm, sorry, but that's just wicked. Um, we don't justify sin you know god called me into this ministry because My heart is to share the gospel and when

02:05:47

I was in law enforcement, I was there to serve and protect and I I it broke my heart to watch so many uh

02:05:57

Good officers being vilified all over the place you you see Just the whole culture saying that we need to end all cops because all cops are all bad

02:06:08

All the time. Well, let me tell you something that is always true about all things. Nothing is ever all always

02:06:14

Okay, it is never all always you have you have bad cops because they come out of the same depraved gene pool

02:06:21

That all of the other society comes out of you and I have a heart issue And what broke my heart was watching that happen and then it then it being blamed on cops

02:06:35

Brothers and sisters listen to me men and women listen to me There is one god and one savior and his name is jesus christ and we all need to submit and surrender to him because if that man, uh

02:06:46

Chauvin, whatever his name is if he doesn't run to christ, he will burn in hell for eternity and he will face true justice

02:06:54

Okay, but you and I will too If we don't know christ and we haven't come to him

02:07:00

And it just it tears my heart out to to hear people say to to hear people say the things that are being said

02:07:07

In the name of some kind of justice narrative. This is not about justice If you want true justice

02:07:14

You want god to be fair you want fairness then we all deserve the same death and penalty and the same destruction

02:07:22

You know, we we all do and we need christ just as much as chauvin did just as much as floyd did and everyone else

02:07:30

And I think I wish we'd gotten to farther, but we just didn't but brother That's I I want everybody to know that we we don't we don't look at.

02:07:38

Uh, um Floyd and we don't look at chauvin and say trying to justify it or anything else.

02:07:43

It was wicked, but it wasn't race Those two men knew each other and they had some major issue against each other and they had a heart problem.

02:07:51

They had a sin problem And you know, let me close out with this, um, you know, we didn't talk much about george floyd

02:08:02

Um, you know, we started off the show by saying You know it what happened to him was wrong period and I don't hear anybody trying to justify that I don't hear any police trying to justify it.

02:08:14

Everyone is condemning it. I you know, look you're You've been a former police officer.

02:08:20

I like what what chris says Uh forces for the purpose of gaining and maintaining control.

02:08:25

You must de -escalate To the appropriate level to maintain control and that one issue that I had with what

02:08:33

I saw here you had a guy who Had his knee on on the back of somebody

02:08:40

Who in and they were telling him get in the car and he's like I can't move. Of course you can't move

02:08:45

You have you have three officers pinning you down You know the it was you know,

02:08:51

I I took that watching it as you know, the the guy was just he he was on a

02:08:57

He liked having control Guess what? This is no different than all the people that are looting and rioting

02:09:04

It is exactly the same desire. They want control. They think they could do whatever they want

02:09:10

It's the same. It is the same behavior that that cop had he didn't like this guy

02:09:16

He knew him didn't like him for whatever reason But he I think he just wanted to exert his control and show that he had it

02:09:23

And now for the right, I mean, I don't think he's gonna last very long in prison personally but the reality is

02:09:32

That what he did was absolutely wrong But to blame that on others and make others responsible is also equally wrong

02:09:43

Because the other people didn't do that to him And to assert that he did it because of the color of his skin again wrong if it that's not true you know, there's there's a lot more behind the scenes with this, but The issue that must be addressed is the fact that what you saw with that officer

02:10:03

Was he was he was relaxed? You didn't see him struggling to keep control

02:10:11

I think he was enjoying the the control that he had the the the power he felt over another human being

02:10:18

And I just want you to think about that because when people are out there complaining about These officers and arguing against white supremacy while they promote black supremacy

02:10:30

It's just as wrong In the the solution to all these problems It's not the government

02:10:38

Trump's not going to fix it. Pelosi's not going to fix it. Black Lives Matter is not going to fix it You want the ultimate solution to this?

02:10:46

It was done at the cross jesus christ You know, melissa said it justice was done on the cross

02:10:54

It's the only place where you have justice and mercy You can't have justice and mercy.

02:11:00

They're mutually exclusive If justice says that if I slap justin here across the face, then he gets this.

02:11:07

He must slap me back Then justice would say he must slap me back mercy would say he can

02:11:14

Resist and not do it But he cannot do both Because if he just hits me a little that's not just and it's not mercy

02:11:22

You see the only place where you have justice and mercy is at the cross where the full weight of our sin was paid

02:11:33

Just wasn't paid by us Jesus christ took the full weight of our sin upon himself.

02:11:41

He paid an eternal consequence he paid that And because the full weight was paid because of who he is almighty god

02:11:51

He could then set us free and show mercy. It's only at the cross that you have justice and mercy

02:11:59

So next week anthony, um, I think uh, you know, I just I wanted to get through those points

02:12:04

It took longer than we planned. Um, and I know you have a lot of history you want to do So maybe we could do that.

02:12:10

I know we do have some things we wanted to get back to Uh, there's some other interviews you had lined up dealing with the whole issue with mike reed and some things there

02:12:19

Uh, we're not unfortunately done with that issue We'd have to be happy to be done with the issue if he would answer the questions we asked but until he does we're gonna keep pointing out that here you have someone who is

02:12:32

Teaching things in the name of christ That you don't find in scripture.

02:12:38

You'd see actually you know Scripture would would say that some of these things shouldn't be practiced

02:12:45

And he won't he won't even answer for it I mean simply yes or no if he teaches it say yes, if he doesn't say no, but since there's recordings of it

02:12:53

He's got to say when he changed his position on this And I think the reason he he doesn't want to do that in my opinion

02:12:59

The reason he doesn't want to do that and he likes having these zoom meetings with multiple people You know and just you or he wanted to have one with multiple people and just me guys all on his side

02:13:09

It's because he wants to he wants to control. Hmm. We've been talking about that a lot tonight Same behavior same thing because this is part of the human the human sin problem

02:13:19

You know So anthony anything else that you or mike want to say before we close out?

02:13:26

uh No, you know Andrew I think you uh said it best same same with you.

02:13:33

Justin is that Is that uh, the the answer is the gospel the answer is changed hearts

02:13:41

It is this is not a systemic issue. It's not systemic injustice. It's not systemic racism

02:13:50

It is it is not about uh, john Sleeping through the entire broadcast.

02:13:56

What no i'm good boring part. That was good Hi john, did you have any questions for us tonight?

02:14:09

Okay, oh wow You guys are just mean yeah

02:14:15

The the other thing is that it's it's 10 14 here on the east coast. It's only 7 14 for him on the west coast

02:14:23

I think it still works nights. Come on. I I work graveyards. Yeah, gotcha. Okay There's a pretty dog

02:14:31

Where's the chickens at john the best was the chicken in the backyard when he came in that was the best part

02:14:37

And the last thing i'll say is we will uh, obviously have a second show on this christian Please if you have if you for whatever reason think that you should support this movement whatsoever stop stop

02:14:52

Learn about it. There's there's plenty of really good theologians That's that you can learn from you heard a lot of from us tonight

02:15:00

You'll hear from us next week as well, but there's there's a lot you can read Um to know that that nothing about this movement is christian at all.

02:15:08

In fact, it's the exact opposite of christian. It's satanic So stan says yes second show, please but I think