Trump, the Constitution, and Extremist Groups w/ Davis Younts

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So be looking for that. I think we're going to be going through these a lot because I know a lot of people go to the mill and try to save babies.

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That's what that track is for. We're very excited about those tracks. Let me just bring in my guest here.

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This beautiful bearded man. Davis Younts. Younts some of this.

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What's up, brother? You must have come up with that yourself. Gentlemen, how we doing? Doing great. Thanks for being here, man.

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I let the record show that Davis did not have a beard when

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I first met him. Well, he's got one now. A very short beard.

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Man, is that thing incredible. It's like its own entity. Yeah, it's going.

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It's going, man. We've had Davis on a lot. I'm privileged to work with him very closely with Stand With Warriors.

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We're going to talk about a bunch of stuff today that kind of all tie together.

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The first thing I will start off with a disclaimer because we are going to talk about Trump. This is not an official endorsement for or against Donald J.

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Trump as president. Let me repeat that. I am not telling you whether or not you should vote for Trump.

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We're going to talk about him and some of his policies and where we're at as a nation. Which isn't in a good place.

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I will just say that. I already saw people in the comments saying they're struggling. They don't know what to do, how to vote. I get asked a lot who should

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I vote for? My answer is always vote your conscience. I'm not going to sit down here and tell you who you should vote for because I don't want people voting for someone because I said

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I'm voting for that person. I want you to vote your conscience. That's the truth. If I'm being honest, I haven't made my mind up yet.

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That's the part that I'm wrestling with in my own conscience. Should I vote for Trump or not? Do not vote for the other silly goose.

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Wow, that was very nice of you. You could have said something else. Some holy spirit restraint.

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Yes. And it's not just, to be clear, it's not just the silly goose. It's the entire platform, regime, the structure supporting the silly goose.

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Exactly. Boy, I am hot. Did I mention I was hot?

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It's okay. We're rolling with it. Davis, why don't you tell us what's going on. I know you're a busy man because you have some big cases which we'll get into, but what's going on with you right now and then we'll get into Trump.

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Absolutely. As you know, Staying With Warriors is needed now more than ever.

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We started this during COVID and it just continues. Things are ramping up. We're working very closely with Brad Geary.

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He had the opportunity to be on the Sean Ryan show which was fantastic. I got to be on there as well. His case is moving forward.

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He's a Navy SEAL captain, a strong Christian brother, incredible testimony. He is being persecuted by the

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Navy because he's not willing to go along with a lie. He wants to stand for the truth, tell the truth about what happened in Navy SEAL training.

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He is facing the loss of his retirement. If anyone's interested in following that, you certainly can follow his case and be on the lookout for news about that.

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Staying With Warriors is taking donations to support him and help his family pay for legal fees.

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They are going to be significant because we're looking at not only fighting within the

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Navy system, we're looking at seeking injunctions in federal court and putting a stop to what's happening at the highest levels.

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That's one piece. The other piece we'll get into a little bit later but we are dealing with Christians, people who have biblical values, traditional biblical values when it comes to marriage and human sexuality are now being labeled as of June 14th by the

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United States Army as extremists. So that's something we can talk about as well.

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Wow, what a bombshell that was. I don't even know how to respond. I'm going to need a minute.

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David sent me a text, he's like, congratulations, you're now an extremist. I'm like, well that's not the first time

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I've been called that. Probably not the last. Yeah, so there's a lot going on.

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I'll just say this, Davis, it's so cool, I know we've talked about this and you've talked about it, which by the way,

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Sean Ryan Show is one of my favorite podcasts. I think it's number two of all podcasts. Brad's interview was six hours long and absolutely incredible.

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My favorite by far. And my man Davis gave me a shout out. Proud moment there, thank you buddy.

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Thank you for that. It's amazing how and I was talking to Brad about this the other day, which

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I've gotten to know Brad incredibly well. Man, that guy is, he's legit, I'll just say that.

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It's amazing to me how, you know, Davis, how God brought us together just kind of like no plans or intentions and ever since then it's just been like God keeps bringing more and more guys in front of us and just how he's kind of orchestrating all this and all the connections.

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Like I was listening to Brad's interview and there's all these names he's mentioning and all of a sudden all these puzzle pieces start coming together in my mind and I'm like bro, this is not a coincidence.

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God's doing something. He's giving you a platform. He's the man for the job for sure.

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And so I've just been super encouraged. Despite all the craziness going on in the culture and stuff we're going to talk about today, it's apparent that's one of the reasons

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I chose the verse that I did. God's still sovereign, still in control and he's orchestrating all of that. So I'm very thankful for that and encouraged.

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So, we'll just get right into old Donald J. What kind of sparked honestly this conversation

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I've been wanting to have for Davis for a little while because he was on CrossPolitik, which by the way,

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I got a little bone to pick with CrossPolitik. I just listened to the show that you just did with them which we're going to talk about that situation and Toby tried to claim you as their lawyer.

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He's like, it's our lawyer. I'm like, hold on a second Toby J. Sumter. Davis is my guy.

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Don't be claiming him. But it's my bone. I'll have to reach out to him. You had been on there probably about two months ago,

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I'm guessing now. You were talking about the Constitution and I think they had just asked you is the

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Constitution dead? Actually it was Mims who messaged me and he was like, you need to have Davis on to talk about this.

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So I went and listened to it and I was like, oh that's actually a really great conversation. Because this is a debate going on right now amongst conservatives, amongst

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Republicans is the Constitution functionally defunct, I suppose if you will.

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I'd really be curious to dive into that. I'm trying to keep it organized because we could go all over the place and this is going to tie into our ballot initiatives.

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We'll start with the Don. Here's the thing that we'll start here.

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I just saw Jeff shared it yesterday he just released the RNC platform.

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Nowhere on there is the mention of the board. Right, it's gone. Which obviously we have major issues with.

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Here's what's killing me and I think I know what's happening but the

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Republicans are completely ignoring the conversation and they're ignoring it because they want to get reelected.

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They're like, if we just ignore it don't talk about it then maybe we can get some of these middle ground liberals to vote for us and they're just scared of losing the election.

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But then we have the left side, they're going all in we got the ballot initiatives and all that. They're all in and they're full steam ahead and then we just got all these

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Republicans just acting like it's not happening and it's super frustrating. So let's just start there.

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It is the principal issue of their platform that they're running on and they're proud of it.

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They're incredibly vocal about it. Speaking about the Democrats it is their sacred sacrament child murder up to the point of birth and that's probably being covert about their actual intentions if we're being honest because I think given their power structure and their desires and designs for the future they may desire to even go further than that.

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I think the only thing holding them back right now is the restraining hand of God upon their wickedness and the fact that they don't have enough power to accomplish and carry that out right now.

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So yes, it is incredibly concerning the overall direction of the Republican Party and the

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GOP and their platform and like you said I think I understand the why the strategy behind it.

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Everyone always points to the fact that well look Donald Trump gave this issue back to the states. That's where it should be, that's where it belongs and I understand why they would seek to downplay it in order to appeal to the squishy middle.

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I still think it's wrong. For sure. It demonstrates a complete shift of the principles that we have come to deem worth conserving.

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If life is not worth conserving and if it's not being vocal about being steadfast in conserving that and outspoken and if we're not willing to say that and hold to these convictions in a public manner then really conservative as a label ceases to be meaningful and significant and so when you see the absence of these things it just goes to show that you know the practical outworking of these things is this when they're quiet on the murder of children in the womb that trickle down effect is that at the state level we no longer address the question of the murder of children in the womb

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I mean the conservative Republican representatives because look he's staying away from it, don't address it this is not what we're emphasizing right now.

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We have an election to win and you see at the state level now pro -life groups and Republican representatives have followed suit.

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They want to distance themselves away from this topic and away from this subject because hey this seems to be the direction that the culture is moving so we're not even going to have the fight we're not even going to have the argument, we're not going to make a compelling we're not even going to mess with it because apparently there's just too much at stake right now.

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Davis, love to hear your thoughts brother. Man, so much there I think to begin with we've lost our way when it comes to even understanding the electorate.

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I mean I don't understand this fascination with abandoning unborn children as politically expedient.

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It's not going to work. I mean look at Florida here's the example. I mean I honestly have concerns that Trump won't win

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Florida. That sounds insane to say but the turnout in Florida for Molech worshippers who want to have the freedom to murder children, they're going to turn out to vote for that amendment to enshrine the right to kill babies up to the moment of birth, even partial birth in Florida.

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They want to enshrine that and I guarantee you there will be billions of dollars pumped into a turnout operation to get people to come out and vote in favor of that.

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And so if on the other side there is no momentum there is no enthusiasm to save and preserve life why are we why are you and I struggling with how we're going to vote personally in this election?

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A lot of it has to do with the life issue because that to me is a center point in what

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I'm going to do. We have to be able to preserve the most innocent. Why else do we have a constitution? Why do we have a bill of rights?

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Why do we care about anything else if we're not preserving innocent life? So I just think the expediency of it is deeply deeply troubling because even look at the 2022 election.

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The governors that won big that could have had close elections were very pro -life. Even on the

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Republican side because it energizes the base. I mean how many people have been consistent adamant pro -life voters for so long?

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I think that's one piece and then I think the other piece is look it used to be a saying you can go back to the 90's early 2000's and the pro -baby murder lobby that crowd when they lost an election they would say the fetus beat us they would literally repeat that mantra and they would say the fetus beat us what does that mean?

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It's because the focus even the messaging was on the right thing which is the preservation of a human life the preservation of an innocent child and somehow over the last few years and it feels like it's happened very very quickly but all of a sudden the big pro -life lobby big pro -life organizations aren't even focusing on the baby anymore.

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It's about the woman and caring for the woman throughout her life and I'm sorry but that messaging not only does it not send the right message not only is it not the right priority it's just a watered down version of whatever the other side is selling and it's idolatry because it's not focused on the right thing so I mean

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I think that's hitting it pretty hard but what are we are we idolizing self or are we worshiping God and the truth in this so again

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I think from a practical perspective my frustration in all of this is there's no excitement among the base among conservative

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Christians to come out and vote unless we're going to stay true on that life issue and that's why it's just it's sad on so many levels that that's been taken out of the platform.

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I think that's helpful I think a big takeaway there is that what this does is it effectively neutralizes the resistance to this tsunami of bloodshed that we are on the verge of experiencing in our state and in other states you mentioned

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Florida yeah I'm just not confident at this point really that they won't get it

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God is sovereign and he works through providence and the work of his people but I think these kinds of things show us that along with them being strategic choices by the

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Democrats right swing states you know red state activity right think about the massive demoralization of Christians and conservatives if these things are successful in a bastion of liberty like Florida to put abortion rights on the ballot up to birth that is a massive blow to the morale of conservatives and Republicans if we can't win on life there in this red haven sanctuary if you will where all these people moved to during COVID because it was a bastion of liberty like if we can't win there and I think the pro -aborts are strategic in choosing these places because it's a demoralization campaign alongside of being everything else that it is right you're not for this then you're not going along with what popular opinion wants you're the weirdo you're the crazy you're the fascist you're the extremist you're out of touch with what people want this is what your state wants and so to your point

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Davis we're going to channel a bunch of money and infrastructure and resources into your state to manufacture excitement around the killing of babies right

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I think this is incredibly likely what they're doing I'm not convinced that the majority of Arizonans want this

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I'm not but like the presidential campaign that we're seeing on one side right now the tendency is to manufacture the excitement of a fake revival to get you feeling crazy for not going along with the crowd so Christians have to not go along with those who are doing evil in that way and we really have to consider you know standing now we have to stand now and we have to speak and we especially need to put as much pressure on Trump as we can to correct course on this and to take a solid stand for the sake of these children yeah and what

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I've heard and this is just hearsay but I've heard that the plan is they're kind of you know going silent going soft on this and then they want to win all the things and then they're going to go hard after that and I'm like okay one

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I'll believe that when I see it but two even if that's true like that's so pragmatic and just infuriating

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I'm like why can't we just be courageous and a little dishonest if we're being you know if we're being real it's a little dishonest you know like oh let's wait till we get power then we'll be up front with what we really want right but it's like where we're at now because people are cowards because no one will stand for truth and you know we've watched that this year in our own state with the pro -life industry here in Arizona just just wussing out on stuff and not being courageous you know and they were influenced by Trump if we're honest for sure yeah and you know we're fighting the ballot initiative here we can talk more about that but you know we see the pro -life industry here in Arizona like they're not they're just they're literally not putting a dime into it and they've already accepted the fact it's going to be it's going to get voted in and then they want to put all their money into fighting on the back side and I'm like what is happening here but that's what we're up against and you're right it starts at the top that's the platform you know

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Carrie Lake folded like a like a lawn chair on that and and yeah

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I don't want to ramble here but you mentioned the constitution right I mean the constitution the 14th amendment we know why we have it because there was a certain group of people being dehumanized at one point in history and we have another category of persons that have been dehumanized for five decades now at the very least and continue to be dehumanized and so if we can't guarantee equal protection under the law for all human beings from the moment of fertilization if we can't even affirm that we're yeah we're in big trouble that the drift is real yeah

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David did you want to add anything yeah I just want to say you know I think too what we have to remember when we're silent on this when we compromise on on abortion you know we know we we know based on scripture based on our conviction abortion is murder this is the taking of an innocent human life and so if there are so called pro -life groups that are compromising on that that are weak on that that are talking about the mother and not talking about the murder of a child and protecting mothers who engage in conspire to commit a murder that hypocrisy is apparent

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I mean that's part of the problem I think it has a negative impact on on our testimony because we look like hypocrites when that occurs

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Christians look like hypocrites because how are we any different than the other side or the secular world because it looks like we're just using that issue then to gain power but we really don't care about the baby yeah right we really don't care about that innocent life so the other thing

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I will say is when we're silent we send such powerful messages through our silence it's the same thing that happens in the church you know we look at a church that remains silent on something that's a critical cultural issue that's happening around us and what does that message send that message sends either we're not serious or we don't care about that issue or that sin just isn't that big of a deal because we're going to remain silent on it and the world looks in or even people sitting you know our our children teenagers sitting in the pews of our churches see that they see that silence and they see us as hypocrites because we're not willing to push back and fight against murder against slaughter and I just think that's so critical because if we compromise on this if we're soft on this if we're weak on this we look exactly like the other side that's just doing this because they're power hungry and quite frankly from a worldly secular perspective from a non -biblical perspective sometimes some of their arguments sound more compelling the way they present them because you know

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Satan's the ultimate deceiver so it does you know tickle the ears to hear some of the things they will say about you know freedom and it's a woman's body and all these things that are just horrific lies but they sound good if they're not if they're not confronted with truth they sound reasonable to our human logic.

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Excellent, excellent point. So I mean that brings us into the conversation then you know is the constitution and I've heard men that I love and respect very much basically say the constitution's dead every politician's a liar it's like okay hold on let's let's back up here a little bit let's not we're not there yet that's my position and I understand

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I I talk to a lot right so I have a more optimistic view of the constitution and the state of our nation than some some

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Christians do and I'm dying to hear you're taking this and yours as well but you know

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I don't think we're there yet and I think the reason we're not there yet is because we have guns and I don't want to rabbit trail too much but it's the truth like if we didn't have the right to bear arms it'd be a different conversation right now and I really think that's what's holding everything together

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I think the founding fathers had a lot of fantastic foresight in putting things together but I mean what's like so going back to the ballot initiative because this is part of this conversation a lot of people don't realize what what these initiatives are doing are attempting to undermine the democratic process and I know we're in the name of democracy in the name of democracy and I know we're a constitutional republic but that's they're still they're trying to undermine that process how do we bypass the rule exactly exactly and so that right people don't understand that they're just like oh it's just another ballot initiative and it's like you don't understand this is actually undermining how our entire process was established and so I know they already passed it in Ohio I talked to my cousin a couple weeks ago who lives in Ohio and they were furious over it you know they're

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Christians and they were just furious over that and you know we're fighting here like we it's basically like our church and a handful of other people which is again just so frustrating that have been fighting this you know so for example here in Arizona they needed 340 or 320 ,000 signatures they had 800 some thousand 150 ,000

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I think supposedly so we literally combed through every single one of those signatures I mean we got video of these guys cheating like they're like you know lying we combed through everyone got we like got so many of them thrown out or should have got so many of them thrown out because they were not done how they were supposed to have been done there's all kinds of stuff and we had a lawyer that was representing this and they literally backed out the last second because they were scared scared of the left they were scared of losing their job yeah and we're still we're still actually we're waiting because I think everything's due tomorrow right if I remember correctly we're doing that somebody's doing an amicus brief anyways so we're waiting because they got they got they got ruled against in the lower court so it's up to Arizona Supreme Court this so hopefully next week we'll hear on that and there's still a chance we might it might be ruling our favor but the point is like again it's just it's undermining the process people aren't being courageous they're not standing up for for truth and so I take it real quick I'm sure

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Davis wants to jump on this like glass of milk in a snowstorm or whatever the expression is

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I guess I've never heard that one definitely he wants to be like white on rice you know that's what I mean alright back on track here so in the name of democracy undermining the democratic process the rule of law how we change the law in our nation by putting up the question of who gets to live and who gets to die to a popular vote like that's what these ballot referendums are all about so I'll just say this one of the things that you just pointed out

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Luke is the downfall of pure democracy and that is mob rule so when the mob is in charge when

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Vox Populi, Vox Dei right when the voice of the people is the voice of God those who do maintain an office who are office bearers are put in a place where they are put in fear of the mob in fear of the people and when they're in fear of the people in fear of the mob and I'm not talking about a righteous kind of fear like we should put in the hearts of our legislators because of our values and the fact that they need to stand on moral principles and so on and so forth when it's exercised justly and rightly that's a good thing and that really is the point we are not a nation of moral people we are an immoral people largely and so we cannot leave these kinds of questions up to an immoral population this is the danger of this really anyone who votes against human life ought to be kept as far away from the levers of power as humanly possible as humanly possible you want that kind of an immoral apostate culture far away from the ability to bypass the rule of law and what

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I've noticed lately is that these abortion access groups people that are fighting to put this on the ballot complain so much in the courts and in the appeal process about not receiving a fair and impartial hearing right they use these terms impartial, democracy so on and so forth but they just don't recognize how hypocritical they're being because impartiality applies fair and equal treatment under the law for everybody so they're willing to shout that from the rooftops while denying pre -born children fair and impartial treatment under the law as persons right and that's really what this mob rule descends into so does that mean that things like the constitution are dead?

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I don't think so but I would love to hear Davis bring us into that conversation a little more.

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Take it away man so much there I just I think it's important that we kind of take a step back and recognize when we start talking about the constitution whether or not it's dead we do have to take a moment and just dispel sort of a worship of the constitution right so there are conservatives they call themselves strict constructionists or otherwise that have almost like it's almost like those folks that are

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KJV only right the KJV version is the only inspired word of God right they have that sort of worship of the constitution as if the constitution itself the written document was somehow inspired by God or perfect and it's not it's far from that and in fact we fought a bloody civil war that in part was a debate about some provisions of the constitution and what it really meant and whether or not states could you know voluntarily leave a union they voluntarily entered so I say all of that to say

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I am a constitutional lawyer I'm a constitutional scholar I love the constitution but we cannot worship it as this perfect document what is perfect I think about our constitution is the fact that it is founded on the word of God and the founding fathers imperfect human beings were at least seeking biblical inspiration for what they were doing there is so much of the handprint of God in the constitution itself and it was only possible the

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American Revolution was only possible because of the Great Awakening and revival right so I say all of that is backdrop to say the constitution isn't dead the people are dead the people are dead the hearts of the people are dead and we need a revival because the constitution is not infallible document the system that is there is the best that has been created in human history for human flourishing after the fall when we start looking at that but it's the hearts of the people that are dead it's us that are dead that are degenerate that are not worthy of the constitution and for the most part far too many people in our government see the constitution as an obstacle to either power or accomplishing what they want to do and so they want to either give just you know passing you know passing homage to the constitution and move on or just ignore it all together so that's where we have to be careful

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I don't think we can be just you know purely strict constructionists and say the constitution is this infallible document that's right in a lot of respects but we have to be careful how far we go so I don't think it's dead but the people are dead man that's a helpful way of thinking about it yeah that was really helpful

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I appreciate that because the founders were brilliant in that I think they understood better than anybody that what is the constitution it's a standard outside of yourself right it's a higher law because fallen man left to his own debased passions will destroy himself and others and so inherent within the view of the founders worldviews was definitely

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I don't see how you can escape this a recognition of the human sinfulness of man thus the division of power and all of those things right you cannot place all of this power within one centralized entity which is what we are increasingly seeing more and more of in our day is a totalitarian state that gobbles up all of its smaller parts and assimilates them into itself to have centralized power right but in the name of democracy so as long as the people vote for dictatorship and totalitarianism then it's okay not the case well yeah and that goes back to the fact that we're not a true democracy we're a constitutional republic lex rex the law is king and that's what we're getting away from that's what this the ballot initiatives are trying to do right you're the standard the people you decide there's no standard outside of yourself you decide

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I mean I'll allow genesis three right you determine for yourself between good and evil apart from a standard outside of yourself which the constitution is that but as you pointed out it's not infallible the word of God is above that as the infallible standard so in every case we point to the higher law yeah and I appreciate what you were saying there

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Davis I just dropped my charging cable hopefully the thing doesn't die because and I think you would agree with this

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I mean I was raised you know in the church but under this understanding that it's all about who's president and that's what's going to change things and you put all of our our hope in the government and especially higher ups like they're the messiah like they're going to fix things and you're like no it's actually people need

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Jesus right spiritual transformation but that's that's post millennialism you know it's it's right and that's what we are constantly saying is it starts the individual and I've talked about this quite a bit but honestly if we want real change like it's not going to be who we vote for for president it starts in our houses it starts with our dads being good dads and leading their families and it starts with the self government and the family the church and then the civil but we get too focused on the big picture and lose sight of what's right in front of us and if we want real change it's got to start in our own houses and if it doesn't start there then it's just we're chasing his own thing at that point

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Absolutely and I think too the other piece you know of the constitution being dead even during COVID right the

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COVID tyranny the other tyrannical things we have seen recently we saw glimpses of the constitution working we saw glimpses of what a constitutional republic can be and what it looks like and where do we see that we forget too often the federal government isn't the be all end all and the separation of powers in the federal government really isn't the starting point for separation of powers separation of powers isn't just at that level it's also at the state level it's also at the county level so we realize there are these lesser magistrates there's things like county sheriffs that are sometimes the bulwark of the first level of pushing back against federal tyranny state tyranny and otherwise and even things like the district attorney's office and who's sitting in that seat as a district attorney so when

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I say the constitution isn't dead we have to remember sometimes the elections that we can have the most impact on are at the state or really the local level

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I was talking to someone I met just a fellow christian brother who I encouraged to run for county commissioner

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I met him at a conference and only 3 ,000 people voted in that primary and he won and now there's this christian sitting in this county influencing the sheriffs influencing policy and it was just he was just a regular guy never been involved in politics but he's like I kind of feel like I need to do this but I just say look at that difference

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I ask anybody do you know who your district attorney is what's the name of the district attorney in your county and you think okay how often does that impact me everyday well look at Michael Cassidy the guy that that beheaded satan in Iowa the

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DA in Iowa was a Soros funded DA that got 300 ,000 dollars in campaign donations from a

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Soros you know funded PAC to be there and they went after Michael Cassidy as a christian for a hate crime and yet how many people how many christians even cared or paid attention to that district attorney's race so absolutely you know

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I would encourage everyone to vote vote your conscience be consistent in it think of you know unfortunately for the presidential election we're looking at the lesser of two evils

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I think that's probably the analysis that will cause me to vote prayerfully and sadly with a lot of remorse

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I think in what we are called to do but we have to look at the local elections and how much that impacts and what you guys did trying to fight the ballot initiative in in Arizona those are things we have to do because you know a family a church a community getting together talking walking through these things bringing biblical principles to the ballot box can have a huge impact locally

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I mean why did Obama become so interested in Soros you know funded

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DA's and electing DA's because they saw that's an easy way it's a relatively small investment to have a huge impact on policy and what's happened throughout

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America and so you see cities that are just lost in utter chaos but they've sown destruction because they understood how they could use the constitution how they could use the ballot box at the local level to create chaos and could you maybe help flesh that out just very briefly the significance of having the

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DA I mean because this is just a determinant of which crimes are predisposed to be prosecuted right what becomes focused on in the legal level absolutely a district attorney in a county has incredible flexibility to decide what to prosecute and what not to prosecute which crimes to go after which crimes to let go so you see that across the country you could just look at you know numerous cases where crime goes unpunished murder you know goes unpunished people are released people are let out on bail there's just you know the cries of injustice are replete and that is because the district attorneys many of them have become political operatives or I mean they're just given over to the spirit of man and they care more about politics they care more about critical theory than they do about justice and it has creates havoc in these communities example of this if I'm not mistaken

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David Delighton in California the Center for Medical Progress when they dropped all of those videos on the abominable actions of Planned Parenthood the

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DA at that time I believe Kamala Harris rather than going after the ones killing babies went after the ones exposing it so I mean that should give you a sense of the significance of that office

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I suppose yeah you know we've I mean this is I'm so thankful you brought that up Davis this is something we've witnessed experience here in Arizona even since 2020 the left has very carefully and did so they planned it but they got key individuals elected they didn't have to win everything they got key spots elected like you're talking about like the county recorder in Maricopa County you want to talk about all the election fraud who was running the show it was the

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Democrat county recorder you know the Arizona in a swing state that particularly matters the

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Arizona attorney generally talking about you know it's not the district attorney but the attorney general same thing and she's even come out and said that she's not going to prosecute you know any abortion crimes in Arizona so there was just it's exactly what you're saying there's these key positions they didn't have to win everything but they knew who needed to win they made sure it happened and you know we're paying for it now and we've witnessed all that and so we need this is this is why we have to think smaller we have to think locally and be aware of what's going on when it comes to voting otherwise we're just like I said we're just casting votes into the wind for no reason at all absolutely and how many counties is a total just look at the swing states

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I mean you know three counties will potentially decide Pennsylvania in this election just like it did last election

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Michigan Arizona New Mexico I mean it's only a few counties and who are the elected leaders in those counties who have you know millions of dollars hundreds of thousands of dollars been pumped into getting in positions of authority in those counties and look at the difference that makes and yet you know we complain or we're upset the

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Constitution is dead all these illegal things are happening but what have we done on a local level and again do we even know the names of those people do we even care enough to do that exactly so this is a good spot

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I think to transition to the next part of the conversation so bring us into what you're dealing with right now and how this all ties together yeah so you know with Sam with Warriors and what

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I do in my legal practice we're seeing a shift I'm seeing a shift in a lot of places where critical theory and just you know really communist ideals and it all comes back to the worship of man's humanism are just seeping through everything we're seeing you know a lot of my work is military and what we're seeing is the military is adopting policies that are just unheard of a few years ago but they are now present and so all of this has an impact so we have sidelined

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Christians we've sidelined chaplains it started in the military with chaplains not being allowed to pray in Jesus name and in many circumstances being you know trained to do that not being allowed to do that even if that was consistent with their faith you know strong Christian biblical chaplains being forced to perform same sex weddings or getting in trouble for it so all that pressure came in and you had this campaign in the military and now it's turned to the point where about a month ago you had training slides leaked that were labeling pro -life organizations

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Christian organizations as extremist groups right these are examples of extremist groups you should stay away from just run of the mill bland pro -life organizations and that's on the heels of this

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June 14th policy that we talked about so June 14th of 2024 the army issued an update a policy memo on anti -extremism and defining extremism in the army why do we care about that one of the things they include in there is a statement defining examples ideas of what an extremist group is or extremist activity is so for example they label an extremist group as any organization that's advocating against or advocating for discrimination against LGBTQ individuals that really is defined as anyone who would say marriage should be between a man and a woman and we should not legalize we should not state sanction gay marriage well if I advocate against that if I advocate for marriage between being a man and woman that that be the law of the land then

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I am an extremist here's what gets very interesting the church I go to the church you gentlemen are a part of that message is preached from the pulpit right this is

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God's plan for the family this is God's plan for human sexuality well that teaching that preaching would be labeled as discriminatory be advocating would be labeled as advocating for discrimination so if I was still serving in the

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United States Air Force if I was not retired if I was still serving and I go to my church on Sunday and then

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I donate money to my church which advocates for marriage between being a man and a woman which goes and prays outside of libraries when there's going to be a drag queen story hour which is involved in you know abortion male ministry all of those things when

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I donate my tithe money I am supporting according to the army definition I would be supporting an extremist group so arguably under this policy if it's allowed to be maintained and in place there is a clear argument to be made that anyone who donates a tithe to their church that has biblical values and again we can just look at human sexuality and marriage you're contributing to an extremist group under this policy and that may sound conspiratorial that may sound extreme but right now in Idaho Stan with Warriors is representing a major in Idaho who was fired from his position in the

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Idaho National Guard simply because of statements he made in a private capacity he's a guardsman he's only in uniform one week in a month two weeks in the summer he was in a private citizen capacity running for office a year before he got hired into a leadership position in the

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Idaho Guard and he was fired from that position in six days after someone complained about things he had said in a private capacity as a private citizen while running for office that were consistent with biblical views of marriage and human sexuality he was literally removed from his position after five days because someone complained about things he'd said before he got into that job and they made that person sad those were discriminatory and so the recommendation now that's on the table it doesn't mean it will be adopted by the

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Idaho National Guard but they literally conducted an investigation where they are now recommending that anyone going for a leadership position be vetted so that no one like my client is ever hired again for a leadership position in the

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Idaho Guard that's the consequences of this when we look at this so that's where all of this comes together and that's why

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I say the church has bought into all kinds of myths when it comes to not having an influence on society we have allowed secular humanism just pure man worship to become the primary religion of our nation and we haven't pushed back the church has abandoned the public sphere and these are the consequences and you're literally at a point where Christians can be labeled as extremists no one even bats an eye no one even thinks about at the pentagon even thinks about what that means for just people who attend a bible teaching church and now the consequences are apparent

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I know it's a crazy crazy story I know that you're trying to protect the identity of the client can you talk about what it was that he said that got everyone all up in arms nothing any different than what you or I would say when we're talking about our biblical views he was advocating for marriage to be between a man and a woman and that we should have you know traditional biblical views of human sexuality he was absolutely campaigning running for state office on the grounds that we should not be mutilating our kids just because they have gender dysphoria so all of the things we would look at and say the bible gives clear teaching on this this is a loving way to approach the world this is

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God's plan and so none of it none of it was extreme none of it was outside the bounds of what the bible teaches and it wasn't

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I mean not even said in a way that was particularly harsh literally just espousing biblical teaching on those issues have you noticed that the secular humanists as Davis calls them are remarkably discriminatory when it comes to someone violating their blasphemy laws right these blasphemy laws are unavoidable it appears to be but it seems that in you know not even being particularly offensive in the way that they this was communicated you still violated the law and you must be punished there must be atonement made to our false gods our false religious system in order to make these things correct

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I think it just speaks to the nature of there will be an ultimate standard and as secular humanists believe that will be found in man and in his word or as Christians believe it will be found in the word of the living

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God and so that's not something that we can afford to be shy about any longer really at this point if we don't speak now if we don't act now if we don't maintain the courage of our convictions in the face of this onslaught on reality which is what it is it is is an attack on reality itself to say that you can't discriminate against this person for their sexual proclivity is like saying you know you must bow the knee to our lie that there is no such thing as gravity you must operate in a fictitious world of our creation not in of course the world that God made where these things are objectively true that what promotes human flourishing is intact whole integrated sexuality men women you know men laying their lives down for women the roles of the genders together life itself family marriage the building block of any healthy society you know it appears that enunciating those things will put you under the boot of heavy discrimination because really this is the lie that we've bought is that there's such a thing as neutrality in the public sphere that someone's not going to impose their morality their belief system their blasphemy laws in the public square and it obviously that's just not correct obviously yeah well and I'll just we'll end on this point here

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I want I just want to make the point to demonstrate why what

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Davis is doing with words is so important keep just if you don't think people think about it like this but normally you know our military servicemen and women just they do what they're told right and that's just the way you're trained you do what you're told here you know this started with a bunch of seals that said this is this is not okay you know because they took an oath to a constitution that wasn't dead right exactly right it's an unlawful order they said are they make the oath to the constitution not to their superior officers right not to the whoever is coming down supposedly

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Biden but who knows if he was even awake but the point is like that that's not who they swore their oath to it's the constitution and they are like the last bastion of defense for us right because think just think about this here you have the army trying to tell their servicemen and women that these guys are extremists do you understand what that means that means that they're trying to prepare them to say these are the guys that are actually the problem that you need to be able to to fight against it's these

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Christian groups it's these you know white uh Christian nationalists extremists whatever like that's why this is so important and that's why it's so important again what

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Davis is doing with with the guys we're representing with Brad with your major in Idaho you have guys that are saying no this is this is not okay and I'm not gonna

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I'm not gonna let this slide I'm gonna stand for truth and so anyways I just wanted to mention that Davis I'd love to hear your take on that no that's absolutely right and you know that was that was our heart in this is to to find

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Christian men in these positions in the military in federal law enforcement that are willing to take a stand and actually understand what an oath to the constitution means because without that what you're seeing is the military being conditioned to turn on traditional values and the problem is you know just I mean how understand we've seen this this has been the case throughout history

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I mean look at the fall of the Roman Republic it went from a republic to you know tyranny look at Germany before World War II all of the military if you were gonna stay in the military you had to swear an oath to Hitler you had to swear an oath to Adolf Hitler why because that became you know there were there were

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German generals and others who literally defended their war crimes by saying well I was just following an order and I took an oath to Hitler and I couldn't go back on my word right

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I mean we look back on that we realize how absurd that is but that's what's unique about our oath in the

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United States military to the constitution unique in world history that that's the oath that was made but it's so important so as a

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Christian you understand it's an oath to the constitution it's an oath to the principles of what our nation is about which is why you know so many people were convicted over COVID because the executive branch was ignoring the law and that that created a constitutional crisis so that's what we're looking at here is we're looking at finding ways to get the right people like Captain Geary who we can support when they're taking a stand for truth and for the constitution and tell their stories in doing that we share the gospel regardless of the outcome we have the opportunity to share the gospel where we're taking a stand for truth and we're hoping the whole idea behind staying with warriors is inspiring other people within the military and without throughout society to be bold in their faith to be bold in talking about their faith and to hopefully see revival within the military spread throughout all of society that's that's what's on our heart yeah and this just goes to one of my favorite verses in Proverbs where there's no prophetic vision the people cast off restraint and that's what we're witnessing right there's been no prophetic vision starting in the pulpits it starts in the pulpits again self -government church or family then church right like it starts in the individual it has to start in the pulpits there's been no prophetic vision and that's what's been so encouraging to me about the guys that Davis has been representing

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I mean I sat in that room with them and they said I'm one of them literally said I'm willing to have my career martyred in order to stand for the constitution that's incredible and we need more men not just in the military more men in general but anyways

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I'm rambling now so anything else you want to add Davis and then we'll get out of here in a second and we are going to have an after show so you can stick around Davis is going to be around for a little bit for all our all access subscribers but Davis you want to add anything else

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I just want to say you know don't be discouraged by any of this you know again we wouldn't have the nation that we have if it wasn't for revival at the

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Great Awakening the American Revolution started in churches we can get there again we just we have to be faithful God has a plan so that's where we get optimistic right but be engaged at the local level and it really can make a difference so where can people go to help support the work you're doing standwithwarriors .org

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is the best place to start so standwithwarriors .org there's information about what we're doing there's information about Geary's case and you know just keep on the lookout for that folks can follow me on Twitter I guess it's

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X now but standwithwarriors .org is a great place to start and we just launched standwithwarriors action right so we can do more stuff legislatively more is that the plan yeah absolutely so we have the original 501c3 and we've launched standwithwarriors action which can get involved in political issues so donations to it are not tax -deductible but it gives us the flexibility to engage policy in a way that we can't as a 501c3 excellent

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Zach you want to add anything to that or have any closing thoughts no no I really appreciate this it you know makes us just recognize to the sacrifice of these men and willing to put so much on the line for the sake of freedom and to really leave behind a legacy of doing the right thing

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I think for the next generation of fighters and so I'm grateful to these men and Davis for representing them so it's it's a blessing amen well tell you what we'll go we'll jump on the after show here in a few minutes so this is what we'll do if you guys want to stick around again those who are all access which we thank you so much for your support in partnering with us if you stick around have some questions you want to ask

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