MSL: May 15, 2024

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And we had some errands today, and now here I am doing radio.

So let's get on with Alex from Orlando, Florida.

Alex, welcome.

You're on the air.

Hey, I'm still alive.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's right.

Well, your listeners might not know.

I'm in the middle of an extremely stressful move.

You mean the move that you were supposed to do earlier when your wife asked you to when she was pregnant and stuff like that?

And you kind of went, hey, I don't know.

Yeah. Yeah.

Now it's happening.

We don't need to get into the detail.

What?

What?

We don't need to get into the detail.

Oh, I got some details.

I got some details.

I know.

I know.

Are you opening the door for her?

I'm opening the door for her.

I am very attentive to her.

I mean, I have to still go back and forth from Orlando to South Florida a few more times,

but she is.

To what?

What?

To open doors for?

Watching the...

No, not to open doors for her.

I mean, I'm just saying what I'm having to do is I have to go back and forth and she's got a yeah I'm still there for

spiritually.

Okay.

I'm hanging in there man.

It's been a.

It's been a lot.

It's been a lot.

So I appreciate.

I'll plug.

Yeah, I'll plug the calm prayer team.

They've been praying for me a lot.

I really appreciate.

What is it prayer at calm org if you guys.

Yes prayer.

Prayer.

I'm surprised you remember that that's pretty good.

Well, you know them a lot of prayers.

Was that I?

Said I send them a lot of prayers.

Well good.

Yeah, they're blessed.

They're there for joined us a great job leading it and working it so.

It's right and you and I have certainly had many conversations had to correct you so many times.

Oh my goodness.

You know, and I've had to correct you as well.

When did that happen?

You don't remember.

It's I just don't say it's possible.

I mean, you know.

I'm trying to make you look humble on the air.

You get this.

Oh.

I'm already humble enough.

Let's worry about it.

So so there you go.

So.

Yeah, so I forgot to tell the screener but Framework interpretation a friend of mine was asking about

that.

What do you know about that?

Framework, it's called a framework hypothesis about the six days of creation where day one and day two match and three

I'd say day one and day four day two and Day

five and day three and day six.

So it's one two three in one column then four five six in the next column.

And so one and four two and five three and six and then they kind of match.

That's what's going on there.

Yeah, does it have any biblical basis, I mean, I don't see any.

What do you think?

Well, I was introduced to it as a theory in seminary.

I remember it was very interesting.

And on day one There's the light and the day.

And on day four.

Is.

When are there two greater lights or in the heaven and the earth?

So there's light and light and then day two.

I'm looking at my notes here.

Well, actually that's scripture.

Yeah, there's a Expanse in the heaven separate the waters above waters below and then on

day five.

Talks about be fruitful multiply the sea monsters.

So it has to do with that that stuff.

So you see there's a parallel.

That's why they call You know what it is.

Well, so what I from what I've learned I mean is that somehow people can fit evolution in there.

That's why I'm a little suspicious of it.

You can fit evolution into anything.

Not that it's valid.

You can make it fit.

You can just go.

Hey, it's evolution.

Well, it doesn't mean it's true.

So just because the framework hypothesis can be used for that doesn't mean it's false.

Doesn't mean it's true.

Any more than the six days or long periods of Paleozoic Cenozoic Mesozoic, etc.

And so therefore his see that could be used that way, too.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

No, I I got you.

Yeah, I was just when a friend brought it up.

He said that.

He thought they were trying to bridge the gap between science and the Bible by using the framework interpretation.

To fit evolution in there.

So everyone's happy, you know.

No, no, no.

No, I wouldn't I wouldn't grant that.

That's why they're trying to do it.

Use a framework hypothesis for evolution.

Nope I would not grant that I don't.

Okay, so you wouldn't agree with that?

No.

You know, I'd like to see you know what this guy says and why why he would say that's what it necessitates.

I don't see it.

You see the day one through six, you know I've heard people say well, there's no actual

Description of how long a day is so God used evolution and each day is a period of time and you can see the evolutionary

Process and all this stuff.

I've seen the same thing with regular your day.

Okay, I got you.

So if an atheist or something's trying to use that to say well, yeah evolution exists.

You look at your framework interpretation I would be like, well, no, I would go to no.

God created Adam from the dust of the earth and they said be fruitful multiply.

There is no evolution, right?

Right.

He created them.

Evolution macro evolution doesn't work micro is fine.

Okay, yeah, so yeah, it's it's okay but.

Yeah, it's I wouldn't worry about it.

Okay.

It's not okay.

Well good.

Yeah, I wonder I want to call you up and this guy's coming over to help me move a little More so I'll tell him

I'll share the show with him.

What you're in what you did.

Oh, well, he holds to it.

No, no, he doesn't hold to it.

He's been studying it and he just wanted to understand it a little more and he didn't agree with it.

Like me when he told me about it, and he was just trying out.

Yeah, we didn't agree with it.

But some.

See, I forgot the names of them, but there's a few theologians who hold to framework interpretation and I think

that can be problematic.

Yeah, I would agree.

Yeah, it's not necessary that we hold of the framework.

It's not necessary to hold to a 6 ,000 day Creation I mean a six -day

literal 24 hours.

Oh, I do think that's what it's leaning towards but it's all not Mandatory.

We have freedom in certain areas to interpret things because nothing in there is

Absolute though some might say it is.

There's a yes and a no to it.

So.

Yeah Yeah.

I haven't.

You have time for one more question.

Yeah, sure.

Okay, I just kind of want to get your take on this so.

Actually, I don't know I'll talk to you later about it's kind of a little bit personal and I don't.

Just do it over the air like embarrass you.

Well, okay.

It's it's about someone I know and I'm just like wondering.

And I'll never listen to your show.

Who listens to your show.

Okay.

Yeah, no, so here's so here's the here's the question, okay, so I know someone

Who's a pastor?

Okay, and They were with

Their their wife now was divorced and has two kids, okay, and

They're not his biological kids.

Okay, and they're now older and They think

that he's the biological dad he's never corrected them to say that he's not their

biological dad.

Okay, then he needs to tell them the truth because otherwise he's promoting a lie.

That's what I'm thinking.

I asked.

I've been asking a few people about that, you know, I know it's a sensitive situation.

But what I'm thinking is not only is he a Christian herself profess Christian.

He's also a pastor.

And how can you get in the pulpit every week and not I.

Agree, you know and still doing this, you know, I agree.

I think that yeah, I.

Think you know like Santa Claus.

We never told our children Santa Claus was real because that was a lie.

We just we didn't ruin it for them.

We just said yes.

And clauses, you know, it's not really it's just but the people I like to talk about him and things like that and

other children believe he's real.

So don't you know, it's not our place to say he is or isn't to other people, but we wouldn't.

We would not do that for our kids.

Okay.

Can you give me a Bible example?

Is that not deception?

Like would that not be withholding information?

And.

Like an Old Testament example of that.

Well, yeah, you see the thing is don't lie.

So the kids are saying hey, my real dad.

It's not true.

If he doesn't correct them, then he is having them believe a lie and he's to correct them.

In loving, you know lovingly and patiently and stuff like that, but he's be done.

Now here's another question.

If you know because I talked to him about that I just met the guy and I just kind of wanted to be a little sensitive.

I said, you know I don't know if that's right and he kind of brushed it off.

Now if he's been corrected about that to do the right thing and he continues to do this Do you think he's qualified to be

a pastor?

I?

Think the elders need to talk about going because we don't know all the circumstances.

I'm not saying it's a yeah Sure circumstances.

Okay to lie, but it might be that the kids are very young.

It might be they're fragile might be something has happened traumatizing.

You want to wait, you know.

And you plan to tell them it's a grown -up or they're certainly not a problem here.

You know, it's like, okay.

Look, we got to sit down.

We're gonna talk.

All right, and that's what needs to be done.

Yeah, because I would expect if you if you became a Christian and a pastor I mean that would first of all, you're gonna

stand before a holy God when you when you die and you're gonna answer for that second you are going to.

How can you live with that in your conscience and how can you be in the pulpit a holy place?

Proclaiming the Word of God week after week.

Having that on you, you know, I.

Agree, I agree.

I wouldn't be able to do it.

I mean.

But like I said, we don't have all the circumstances and we need to be careful.

And not be too judgmental too quickly and stuff like that.

But that's what you do.

Okay, just check it out.

Yeah, okay.

I appreciate that.

Well you go drink your vitamin C Garbage concoction and have a nice night.

No problem I.

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Yeah.

Yeah, of course, man.

All right.

I'll talk to you later, man.

All right, buddy.

God bless.

Okay.

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Anonymous from Raleigh, North Carolina.

Welcome.

You are on the air.

So should I change my voice to Hi, good evening, brother.

That was bad.

Almost said my name.

Anybody out there listening?

I did my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ Church.

I know listening but anyway, I'm wondering.

I've been in.

I didn't know how to ask the question or what but I'm to the gentleman.

Before you.

My.

Eleventh or twelfth great -grandfather was Hans Landis.

He was the last Anabaptist minister.

He.

He was arrested he was Him and his friends, you know brothers in

Christ and all escaped.

He however went back to be near his family or exactly

details I but then he was Rearrested he told them before he was he told

the executioner That he forgave forgave him and it said that he smiled at

him.

But that I'm wondering.

Question I'm wondering.

I've been in no less no less Let's burn Easter every father's name Shepherd.

I was not like that, you know.

Nothing we could do to win his love.

I've been in no less than 30 in those 30 motorcycle car accidents.

Other things I rather not say but you know, definitely there's no other way that I'm still here.

But God's grace and mercy.

Do you have a question?

The thing is thanks.

Thanks.

Real me.

Does that have anything to do because I've heard of generational curses but what could that be

have to do with because of Hans Landis like the generational that I

Show me more grace and mercy because he was a martyr.

I.

Don't.

Okay.

Confused so.

Going about generational curses, are they real?

No, no.

Okay.

I know that there's I think there's generational curses if I'm not mistaken.

But could it also work the other way.

Because he was a martyr that he stood firm.

I mean could that be passed along to.

I mean to where I've.

He showed me more.

I don't know.

No.

He did what happened to him was on him and you know, the Lord will reward him for his

faithfulness, but.

Other than that, you know we talk about generational curses, but generational that blessings.

There's kind of stuff like this spoken of and in The exit exit 20 the Ten Commandments area

so they're spoken of but.

But you know, I'm not sure how much one want to get into it.

I'm not sure.

Okay, okay.

No, no, we're just saying that is there a way that I have been shared.

I mean, I've not shown more mercy and grace and others but That I'm still alive because of something he

did.

I mean like through the bloodlines.

I'm just well, there's a yes and a no to that you can still be alive because of something he did like.

You know, he moved your family from one place to another and that saved your life and that's why you're here.

So there's a direct and indirect means of the answering that yeah answers yes, but if you mean is there a

spiritual thing that came down.

That's.

It's tough because I'm sorry.

It's tough because we don't know what extent it promises.

God might have been involved with it for progeny.

Okay.

Okay, okay.

Well, thank you so much and listen to you all the time and really appreciate you more

than you could even know.

I've gleaned a lot and you can learn a lot.

So thank you so much brother.

Well, appreciate it.

Appreciate this.

All right.

Oh.

Thank you, sir.

Have a blessed night a blessed every day.

You too.

Thank you.

Well, all right.

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We can't get things solved.

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I don't know what's going on.

It's just one of those things that happens sometime.

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But you can't over the radio so that that's okay.

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I'm thinking here thinking a couple of things.

And we get some of the emails we have some Good real question emails that came

in.

So I think I'm going to get to some of those.

All right, let's just do that right now.

Let's see listening to radio show and I have a question.

The conversation with a Muslim he had a hard time with what was written said it didn't mean what it says.

I forgot what verse that was or what we're talking about.

But anyway, he was one to say.

I see the same thing as this Muslim replied from Most that I see from your forums

that Jesus was God.

I'm a bit perplexed over why they say and what is actually written that Jesus said to himself.

It's got to sent him.

I'm not sure what the question is.

Here's my oh, here's my question of these if Jesus was God then who was this that Jesus spoke of?

And said he could do nothing at all without his father.

Who sent him without adding to or taking away from what exactly written?

Okay, so questions like that I can't answer because there's so many if this

condition of that minus like it like five or six different things in one question.

And I'm not able to answer that so I would just suggest that if someone has a question It just need a basic question.

So I know exactly what it is.

That is the topic alright, so We'll get on to another question.

Let's see if one give me call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six.

Can you please help me understand why one would hold to what is.

To what is called?

Corporate election and why one would believe in this over an individual election.

Corporate and individual are both true in the Bible individual election.

God picks individuals to be saved and he picks people groups and he did that with Israel to

be saved a corporate work and we always have to define our terms and we're talking about stuff like that to see if

If what is being said is what we understand the question to me, you know, what's the terms there?

So also does this deny original sin?

No, it doesn't and man state of depravity.

Okay.

Okay.

There's so much I want to discuss.

Well, Jeremy.

Give me a call, you know, or we can get it on to some other stuff.

Anyway, all right.

Let's see.

Here's another one.

When did Jesus get the Spirit?

Well, that's a tough question because there's two levels we can answer that get the Spirit well since he's God and the

divine nature and the Holy Spirit and father and son are all in Intermixed as one divine

essence.

Then he's always had the Holy Spirit in that sense because the father said Holy Spirit are all one thing.

But as a man under the law Galatians 4 4.

Then he received the the work of the Holy Spirit upon him at his baptism

now that's.

Now can we say well, that's what he the Holy Spirit moved in him as a man.

I'm not gonna say that but I Believe was in the womb.

But that's another thing because it says after this he was baptized by John was like a dove and wouldn't the wilderness to be tested.

Yeah, so it's just different levels of answering the question because we don't know.

What exact issue you're trying to get to anyway?

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Welcome back to the show.

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two two seven six and I can get you in the phone.

We have nobody waiting right now.

And I'm still having problems with the microphone.

I do not know what's going on.

It's a weirdest thing because everything should be working fine.

And for some reason it's not working in the stream yard.

It might be that there's a little glitch in the stream yard.

That's where I'm thinking now.

All right.

Let's see, let's see, let's see.

Defending the Catholic faith against the match slicks of the world.

Well, that's awesome.

I got checked out stuff like that.

You know, the Catholic faith has got a lot of problems.

Let's see.

I have a friend who believes that the Ark of the Covenant is right now at this moment in heaven.

He cites Revelation 11 19.

Does the Ark represent the presence of God?

Yes, it is the presence of God.

Does the Ark in Revelation represent Jesus or is this the actual Ark in the temple of Jerusalem like my

fellow blue?

There's just I can't answer.

It's just not that easy there's.

The Revelation is a symbolic book and very symbolic so if it says the Ark is in heaven,

it might mean it in a spiritual way and Sometimes say well and then means it can't be on earth.

Well doesn't mean that because there are there's a city in heaven that is spoken of but it doesn't seem

to be a literal city.

The way it's described but yet it's called a city.

So it's just not that easy to say.

Well, this is what it means.

And.

It's tough now.

So Read the article.

I Just I really can't get into it Explain to me because really what would happen is I would be explaining things

that basically end up with but it doesn't really we don't Know that's how it would be.

I just don't see how we really can get around that right now.

Let's try this one.

Let's try this one.

My understanding regarding demons and their abilities towards us believers.

Is that they can torment and afflict us?

Yes, they can.

I don't see a scripture to support believers being possessed but rather oppressed.

Good for you.

Agreed with that.

What concerns me is the growing number of so to speak ministries traveling the world casting demons out of believers.

Some with manifestations and posting these events on YouTube and social media platforms.

Yeah, I have a concern about that as well.

I don't believe it's legit and I don't know anything in scripture that

says that.

That we can be possessed as Christians, you know by demonic forces, I don't see anything so what's happening in those places

was a lot of places, it's.

It's.

Emotional ism and cultural necessity.

And it could also be that there are really demon -possessed people who are pretending to be Christian who On the surface look like it, but are

really not.

And that's one of the things that might be the case.

All right, eight seven seven.

Two zero seven two two seven six.

Let's see Horvath from Virginia.

Welcome.

You're on the air.

Hi.

Can you hear me?

Yes, I can.

Okay.

So my question is I mean, I know homosexuality is

Is wrong and.

There are.

Pastors who are Not are pretty

much saying that like in the Bible during like Sodom and Gomorrah that

God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality but in

hospitality and.

The men.

Yeah, and all the men that were coming in to like rape the angels, but that wasn't it was more to

like Show their dominance rather than to really rape them.

And there's a book called unclog bird and It's pretty much it talks about Christians

who have or saying that you know when they were talking about homosexuals in the Old Testament and the New

Testament.

They were more talking about pedophiles and not homosexuality.

And so how how do you.

How do I like but that?

Well first first of all, I need to just say that such pastors who teach that are fools and servants of the devil.

They need to repent.

I need to trust in the gospel and leave the word of God really says instead of twisting it to To serve

the enemy of our gospel of Satan himself.

So if any pastor wants to debate me on this who says homosexuality is not a sin or Sodom

and Gomorrah, then you contact me and we will go at it.

We will have a nice polite debate and using the Word of God.

But just call the pastors who affirm such heresy to repentance and they need to repent.

All right, so it was not an issue of homosexuality.

That.

I mean of Excuse me inside of a Gomorrah.

It was not an issue of just hospitality.

Yeah, God wiped out our entire city because they weren't hospital or nice.

They were didn't house people.

It's ridiculous.

This is foolishness.

It's the fools getting in the in the pulpit serving the devil and they are Imitators of

the truth and they need to be rebuked and kicked out of the pulpit and they need to repent and come to the Faith that's what needs to

happen.

So sodomy is derived from sawed -dumb and we know what that means it's for our God's judgment

and so.

They wanted to get in and do that to the angels and men and they were forcing themselves in and it's just insane.

So it just makes me mad when people do stuff like this.

It's just horrible.

And so when we go to Leviticus 18, I believe it is.

It says you shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

It's an abomination.

Also, you shall not have intercourse with an animal is so before we get into stuff, okay, because they're children but any rate.

So it's an abomination in the Old Testament.

It's an abomination in the New Testament.

It's just how it is.

Right now what do you do with them.

And so my sister.

She has a her friend who's also a pastor who I mean, I I don't believe that women should

be pastors.

I know you feel the same way, but she's she's a quote -unquote pastor and my sister has really

taken to following everything she says and.

Yeah, no, but I

mean I I I'm not sure how to get this pastor Hannah her name.

How do I get her to like call you and debate you but I'm just worried I don't like to sort of follow

someone like that.

Well, I've been offering.

I've been doing radio now Five days a week 19 years and one day a week two years.

So 21 years of radio, but for a good Portion of it maybe

close to 17 18 years.

I don't I can't remember maybe more maybe less but I've been periodically offering over the radio to have a debate

a formal debate on the issue does the Bible support women pastors and elders and

I'd be glad to debate them and I've never had anybody take me up on it.

Not even once.

And I don't want to because I will go to the Word of God and I will put their feet to the fire.

And I'll call them to repentance in the debate say you need to repent of these things.

Here's what the scripture teaches.

Etc. Etc.

There's a theological reason to this as well and Not just a biblical one, there's

theology behind an equated order.

So she won't do it because they're unrighteous.

I remember once I was in Escondido, California San Diego County and I was at a coffee place

and as a woman Obviously a woman pastor had to call her on at a Bible and she's working on stuff and I went up to her and I said

Oh you're a pastor.

She says.

Oh, yes.

I said.

Would you be willing to have a discussion with me about the biblical basis women pastors and she's immediately said I'm not talking to You or

anybody about it.

Just very hostile and I said the Bible tells you to give an answer to everyone.

I'm asking Tells you to do that and she goes I'm not talking to you get away and

so You know when when but they're obligated to defend the faith and

this is a this is a critical thing this these are one of the topics that gets me going because

It's it's like when I talked about marriage yesterday to the guy men need to stand up as hard acting like men

they need to start being godly and strong and not hold a finger up in the air see which way the doctrinal or

Social wind is blowing or sit there and kowtow to the leftist and the Liberals and they need to start being men.

They start following the Lord Jesus and say I'm gonna follow my Lord.

And if my wife doesn't like it too bad, and if my boss doesn't like it too bad I'm following my Lord my Savior Jesus

Christ and we need to start having men who do this.

Well, we need to start have men in the pulpit who do this and men in the in the church Say no, we're not gonna have this

and we just tell you guys out there men we tell you if you're sitting underneath a woman pastor you are supporting

sin and Rebellion against God's Word you are supporting it.

You're that's not what you're called to do as men and if you're a woman pastor, and you are involved in sin and rebellion against

God you to repent and Be glad to have a debate on this a formal

debate we do it online.

I'll come to your church, and we will we'll have a debate on it.

But like I said, they never call me up on it never do they never no one ever accepts it.

Good now go ahead.

I got so much I could just You more crud about it.

Well fact.

I'm going to did you know I did research and And 80 of the denominations and

churches that adopt women pastors within two generations started docking homosexuality.

Yeah.

Yeah, heresy breeds heresy.

Okay, and well, we got a break coming up.

So thanks for letting me.

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We'll be right back after the break.

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All right, welcome back to the show.

Let's get back on with Horvath.

Are you there?

Yes, I'm here.

All right, so yeah.

One of the topics that gets me going.

So two of the topics.

So.

Any more comments or anything you want to ask?

So the same pastor was telling my sister that a lot of the the translation from the Bible

Part of the whole like the homosexuality is God didn't condemn it that whole translation is

because it it's been mistranslated and

So I just I don't I Don't know like how could I tell my

sister like that's but that's that's not true.

Like I.

Mean God Romans.

Let's go to Romans 1.

Okay, so I'm having to do a translation thing.

The word for homosexuality didn't occur until the 1900s.

And then it was added into the English translations of the Bible because the term came Took to to bear that's what it

means, but it comes to the Greek word or Senate quite thus man better.

That's what it's taught.

It means man better our sin.

Go eat us go eat us and you what.

That is, but that's actually the Greek our Senate quite thus so it has to do with sexual perversions of

the same sex.

And If you go to Romans chapter 1.

It says.

For even though they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks.

But they became futile in their speculations and their foolish heart was darkened professing to be wise.

They became fools and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for the image of form of crippled man, etc creatures.

God gave them over to the lusts of their hearts to impurity so that their bodies would be

dishonored among them.

For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie worship the creature rather than the creature.

For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions as in verse 26 of Romans 1.

For their women Exchange a natural function for that which is unnatural in the same way.

Also men abandon the natural function of the woman and burn with the desires toward one another.

Men with men.

Committing.

Indecent acts and receiving their own person to do that the due penalty of their error and just as they did not

see fit to Acknowledge God any longer God gave them over to a depraved mind.

To do those things which are not proper check this out being filled with unrighteousness wickedness greed evil.

Full of envy murder strife to see it was on and on and on and.

What's interesting is the last verse says this in chapter 1?

Although they know that the ordinance of God is that that those who practice such things are worthy of death.

They not only do the same but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

So now that pastor is giving hearty approval to the practice of evil and he

is under judgment.

Okay.

Alright, thank you so much.

You're welcome.

All right.

Sounds good.

All right.

Now, let's get over to Jim from Greensboro, North Carolina.

Welcome you are on the air.

Thanks Matt.

I have not really heard you talk about this.

Maybe just I haven't listened when someone has but with the end of times and signs of that

nature.

What do you.

Let's just say.

One of the signs is the building of the temple in Jerusalem the third times.

Yeah, and I'm like, well that hasn't happened.

So we're not near that but then I go.

Well, Is that a metaphor or our symbol for a different?

Thought pattern.

Is it a physical third temple or like, you know, our body is a temple.

Is it a symbol for a different thing that we're just.

I'm not looking at it looks like it's gonna be a physical temple.

That's gonna be rebuilt.

In fact, the Jews now have the the red heifer and They are training priests now.

So Oh Wow.

Yep.

Now I've been to the the site and I've been to the Dome of the Rock.

I've been outside and walked around it and there's a very large area.

Very large area where you could build a temple.

Jewish temple right there next to it.

Now this this is gonna this would greatly offend the Muslims it would greatly offend them,

but.

Well, so what but There's plenty of room to build a temple in that area.

Okay.

There's another area down the steps a whole nother area where They're a temple to go in.

There's there's I would say this is off the top of my head.

Football fields.

There's probably two football fields down below and maybe two or three above.

That's how much how much space there is.

Okay, I have listened to some people talk about the Antichrist and of course whenever that

particular person comes I'm told do you think that that

Antichrist would be a Jew?

That would bring that particular area of the country together.

No, I think it probably be a Muslim.

I think he's probably gonna be a Muslim I've heard about he might be but it would make

sense because Muslims would accept a Muslim.

But they would never accept a Jew to be over them in that area.

I don't see that it's happening the thing about Judaism and Christianity.

We're tolerant of others.

But Islam is not tolerant.

You know, don't take Jews and Christians as your friends or a 551 says so we're not so.

They're intolerant and and it's a it's a death cult is what it is.

We're not killing people right, that's what it teaches and so the when things get

really bad it might be that a Muslim will arise who's the Antichrist and He will offer

peace and the Jews will say fine.

And that he allows the temple to be rebuilt and when that happens.

When that happens saddle up where they're yeah, yeah saddle up yeah, and then

get ready because one of the other prophecies is a 200 million man army that marches up from the east

along the dried -up Euphrates River and the Euphrates River is drying up.

It's good.

In fact, oh, wow.

Yep, and that's China has 200 million man a potential army there.

So and then Magog from the north maybe Russia come down in Israel

along with the Kings from the east to take a spoil out of Israel and

The the thing that Israel has is the Dead Sea.

The Dead Sea has trillions of dollars of minerals in it, but extracting it is very

difficult right now.

I don't know why they're not doing it.

But it might be one theory is that it might be that There's gonna be so much wealth that they're gonna

have because of this that they'll quickly become the richest nation in the world in the history of the world.

With the if they can get it I've heard theories about this, but you know, you don't know, you know, and I've been there

into the Dead Sea I've floated in the Dead Sea and It's really interesting.

It's so thick with stuff that when you're in a normal pool.

You can float, you know, I'm six feet tall 215 pounds.

I can float up to about my chin, you know, or my my nose, you know that range but in the Dead Sea.

It's a it's below my pecs.

The water level is right about there.

It's just okay.

Yeah, it's that that going it.

Yeah, you know, it's just amazing.

And.

Then I got a drop of it in my eye and I was almost crying like a little boy who bonked his head.

It was really really bad.

Yeah.

All right, well, that's very interesting.

I appreciate it man.

Well, sure man.

Well sure.

God bless.

Anything else.

Okay.

So, you know I had this article up.

What are some of the signs of the end times?

A lot of people think.

Now I'm gonna just you know pop some balloons here.

A lot of people think we're gonna get pre -trib wrapped record out of here.

I don't see that in Scripture.

I hope I'm wrong and If you hold to that position, I hope you're right but having

just really just Examined it.

Let's just say Looking at the verses that support it and the verses off and taking it

way out of context.

You're like two men the field.

Once taken one is left.

That's has nothing to do with the rapture when you look at the context just stuff like this.

I believe we're gonna go through it.

I believe we're gonna see the trial.

The tribulation just says so many Christians throughout the centuries have who've been martyred have been beheaded been burned

Frozen to death torn apart by animals.

Why do people think that hey today we're special in America.

We're gonna get out.

No, we're not.

But.

There are many things that the Bible talks about that are Signs of the end times.

Let's read some to you.

And this is this is where we get into what's called Depressed get ology get eschatology this

study of end times and this is depressing.

So depressed get ology so there'd be the presence of false Christs

and false prophets.

So.

The the Muslims both have a false Christ and a false prophet as do the The

Mormons for example, and well the Jehovah's Witnesses because they all teach about who Jesus is.

But they're all false and they all have prophets and they're all false.

They're gonna be war.

This is out of Matthew 24 the persecution of the faithful.

That's Matthew 24 9 Says they will deliver you to tribulation.

It will kill you and you'll be hated by all nations.

Because of my name now, here's the thing.

People say we're gonna get out raptured.

Well, why would it say they're gonna be killed for his name?

If God wants us just to not have to go through this why are they going through it?

There'll be apostasy that's occurring.

Okay lawlessness Will increase and love will go cold at the

2412 talks about that.

There'll be earthquakes famine and plagues in increasing areas.

Okay, Luke 21 an increase in selfishness at second Timothy 2 2 and that's

certainly the case also in 2nd Timothy 3

Chapter 3 verses 2 through 5 it talks about to be an increase in the lovers of self and money and pleasure

arrogant disobedience ungrateful unholy haters of good.

That's we see that in America right now.

Conceited appearing godly, but are not we see that in a lot of churches appearing to be godly but are not.

The mocking of Jesus this is happening more and more by the media and movies and things like this.

There'll be an increase in knowledge that's obviously the case inside of Daniel 12 verse for a rise of spiritism

this is dealing with not Christ.

But the idea of spirits and coming in contact with spirits and energies and things like that.

There'll be a decay in marriage that is obviously happening.

There'll be a rise in false teaching.

That's obviously on the rise.

The gospel will be preached to the whole world.

Oh, that's good because people are going to be raised up by God through all of this to preach and teach that gospel and

praise God.

Praise God.

And also there'll be signs in the heaven different kinds of signs.

The moon the Sun of the moon will be darkened.

This is Matthew 24 29 the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky.

Matthew 2430 there will be according to Revelation 11 18

abuse and Destruction of the earth and its resources.

Yeah, that's happening.

And so all the nations of the earth will gather against Israel.

That's Zechariah 12 3 rebuilding of the temple.

2nd Thessalonians 2 talks about that the arrival of the Antichrist also 2nd Thessalonians

2 there'll be the enforcement of the mark of the beast.

Revelation 13 17 it's Reminiscent of the enforcement of the vaccine, you know for

kovat the jab they call it.

I never believed it was the mark of the beast but I wonder if it could have been a test run to see how many people would buy into it and just

Get with it do what they're told by the government.

By the people in power.

It could have been a test run.

Who knows?

I'm just you know, just thinking out loud and also repentance of Israel and the Jews come into faith in Christ.

That's Romans 11.

So all of this stuff is yet to some of its come yet to come on the scene.

A lot of it is here and So there you go, and we could do a study sometime on

why we're gonna go through the tribulation.

Wouldn't you guys like to hear that on the radio show sometimes?

People go no.

Hey, there's the music may the Lord bless you and by his grace we're back on there tomorrow and We'll

talk to you then.

So god bless everybody.

We'll see you.

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