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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live.

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I am still getting over that bit of chest congestion from a week and a half ago. Sometimes they last a long time.

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And that's the way it goes. So today's date is May 15th, 2024. If you would like to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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You can also direct an email to me, info at karm .org. Info at karm .org.

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So oh, there we go. Click that right there. OK. Now we're good. All right.

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Well, I've got a cup of coffee. And ransomware is today.

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And now here I am doing radio. So let's get on with Alex from Orlando, Florida. Alex, welcome.

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You're on the air. Hey, I'm still alive. Yeah. Yeah.

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That's right. Your listeners might not know I'm in the middle of an extremely stressful move.

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You mean the move that you were supposed to do earlier when your wife asked you to when she was pregnant and stuff like that. You kind of went, hey,

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I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Now it's happening. We don't need to get into the details. What? Why? We don't need to get into the details.

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Oh, I got some details. I got some details. I know. I know. Are you opening the door for her?

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I'm opening the door for her. I am very attentive to her.

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I mean, I have to still go back and forth from Orlando to South Florida a few more times, but she is.

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To what? What? To open doors for her? No, not to open doors for her.

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I mean, I'm just saying what I'm having to do is I have to go back and forth and she's got a, you know,

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I'm still there for her spiritually. Okay. So I'm, I'm hanging in there, man.

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It's been a, it's been a lot. It's been a lot. So I appreciate it. I'll, I'll plug.

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Yeah. I'll plug the Karm prayer team. They've been praying for me a lot. So I really appreciate, uh, what is it?

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Prayer at karm .org. If you guys need prayer, prayer, I'm surprised you can remember that. That's pretty good.

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Yeah. Well, you know, them a lot of prayers was that I said,

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I send them a lot of prayers. Well, good. Yeah. They're blessed. They're there for Joanne does a great job, uh, leading it and working it.

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So it's right. And you and I have certainly had many conversations to correct you so many times on my goodness.

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You know, and I've had to correct you as well. When did that happen? You don't remember?

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I just don't see how it's possible. I mean, you know, I'm trying to make you look humble on the air.

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You get this? Oh, I, I'm already humble enough and you don't have to worry about it. So, so there you go.

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Um, so, uh, yeah. So I forgot to tell the screener, but, uh, framework interpretation, a friend of mine was asking about that.

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What do you know about that framework? It's called the framework hypothesis about the six days of creation where day one and day two match and three, uh,

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I'd say day one and day four. Day two and day five and day three and day six.

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So it's one, two, three, and one column, then four, five, six, and the next column. And so one and four, two and five, three and six, and then they kind of match that's what's going on there.

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Yeah. Does it have any biblical basis? I mean, I don't see any, um, what do you think?

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Well, uh, I was introduced to it, uh, as a theory in seminary, I remember it was very interesting.

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And on day one, there's the light and the day. And on day four, uh, is when are there two greater lights are in the heaven and the earth.

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So there's light and light. And then day two, I'm looking at my notes here. Well, actually that's scripture.

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There's a, uh, expanse of the heaven, uh, separate the waters above waters below. And then on day five, uh, talks about, uh, be fruitful, multiply the sea monsters.

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So it has to do with that, that stuff. So you see, there's a parallel. That's why they call it, uh, you know, what it is.

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Well, so what I, from what I've learned, I mean, is that somehow people can fit evolution in there.

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That's why I'm a little suspicious of it. You can fit evolution into anything, not that it's valid.

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You can make it fit. You can just go, Hey, it's evolution. Well, it doesn't mean it's true. So just because the framework hypothesis can be used for that doesn't mean it's false.

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Doesn't mean it's true. Uh, any more than the six days or long periods of, uh, Paleozoic, Cenozoic, Mesozoic, et cetera.

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And so therefore, let's see, that could be used that way too. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

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Yeah. No, I, I got you. Yeah. I was just, when a friend brought it up, he said that he thought they were trying to bridge the gap between science and the

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Bible by using the framework interpretation to fit evolution in there. So everyone's happy, you know, no, no, no, no, um, no,

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I wouldn't, I wouldn't grant that. That's why they're trying to do it. Use a framework hypothesis for evolution. Nope. I would not grant that at all.

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Okay. So you wouldn't agree with that? No. Uh, you know, I'd like to see, you know, what this guy says and why, uh, why he would say that's what it necessitates.

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I, I don't see it. Uh, you see like day one through six, you know, uh, I've heard people say, well, there's no actual description of how long a day is.

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So God used evolution and each day is a period of time and you can see the evolutionary process and all this stuff.

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I've seen the same thing with a regular day. Okay. I got you.

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So if, um, if an atheist or something's trying to use that to say, well, yeah, evolution exists, you look at your framework interpretation.

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I would be like, well, no, I would go to, no, God created, um, uh,

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Adam from the dust of the earth. And then he said, be fruitful, multiply. There is no evolution. Right. Right.

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He, he created them. Evolution macro evolution doesn't work. Micro is fine. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, it's, it's okay.

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But uh, yeah, it's, I wouldn't worry about it. Okay. It's not.

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Okay. Well, good. Yeah. I wanted to, I wanted to call you up and, uh, uh, this guy's coming over to help me move a little more.

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So I'll tell him, I'll, uh, share the show with him and what you're in, what you did. So he holds to it.

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No, no, he doesn't hold to it. He's been studying it and he just wanted to understand it a little more and he didn't agree with it like me when he told me about it and he was just trying to, yeah, we didn't agree with it, but some,

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I forgot the names of them, but there's a few theologians who hold to framework interpretation and I think that can be problematic.

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Yeah, I would agree. It's not necessary that we hold to the framework. It's not necessary to hold to a 6 ,000 day, uh, creation, uh,

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I mean a six day, literal 24 hours. So I do think that's what it's leaning towards, but it's all not mandatory.

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We have freedom in certain areas to interpret things because nothing in there is absolute.

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Though some might say it is, there's a yes and a no to it. So, um, yeah, yeah, um,

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I haven't, I haven't, do you have time for one more question? Yeah, sure. Okay.

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I just kind of want to get your take on this. So, um, actually,

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I don't know, I'll, I'll, I'll talk to you later about it. It's kind of a little bit personal and I don't, uh, yeah, well, okay.

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It's, it's about someone I know and I'm just like wondering, I don't ever listen to your show.

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Who listens to your show? Okay. No. So here's, here's, so here's the, here's the question.

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Okay. So I know someone who's a pastor. Okay. Okay. Okay. And they were with, um, their, their wife now was divorced and has two kids.

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Okay. And they're not his biological kids. Okay. Okay. And they're now older and they think that he's the biological dad.

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He's never corrected them to say that he's not their biological dad. Okay.

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Then he needs to tell them the truth because otherwise he's promoting a lie. That's what

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I'm thinking. I asked, I've been asking a few people about that. You know, I know it's a sensitive situation, but what

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I'm thinking is not only is he a Christian or self professed Christian, he's also a pastor and how can you get in the pulpit every week and not,

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I agree, you know, and still doing this, you know, I agree. I think that, uh, yeah,

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I think, you know, like Santa Claus, we never told our children Santa Claus was real because that was a lie.

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We just, we didn't ruin it for them. We just said, yes, Santa Claus is, you know, it's not real. He's just, but people like to talk about him and things like that and other children believe he's real.

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So don't, you know, it's not our place to say he is or isn't to other people, but, uh, we wouldn't, uh, we would not do that for our kids.

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Okay. Can you give me a Bible example? Is that not deception? Like would that not be withholding information?

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Um, and, um, I don't know if you can give me like an old Testament example of that. Well, yeah, you see, the thing is don't lie.

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So the kids are saying, Hey, my real dad, it's not true. If he doesn't correct them, then he is having them believe a lie and he's to correct them and loving, you know, lovingly and patiently and stuff like that.

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But he's been done. Now, here's another question if, you know, cause I talked to him about that.

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I just met the guy and I just kind of wanted to be a little sensitive. I said, you know, I don't know if that's right.

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And he kind of brushed it off now, if he's been corrected about that to do the right thing and he continues to do this, do you think he's qualified to be a pastor?

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I think the elders need to talk about it because we don't know all the circumstances. I'm not saying it's a certain circumstances, okay, to lie.

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But it might be that the kids are very young. It might be they're fragile. Might be something has happened, traumatizing.

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You want to wait, you know, and you plan to tell them it's a grown up or they're certainly not a problem here.

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You know, it's like, okay, look, we got to sit down, we're going to talk, all right. And that's what needs to be done. Yeah. Yeah.

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Because I would expect if you if you became a Christian and a pastor, I mean, that would first of all, you're going to stand before a holy

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God when you when you die and you're going to answer for that. Second, you are going to how can you live with that in your conscience and how can you be in the pulpit, a holy place, proclaiming the word of God week after week, having that on you?

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You know, I agree. I agree. I wouldn't be able to do it.

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I mean, like you said, we don't have all the circumstances and we need to be careful and and not be too judgmental too quickly and stuff like that.

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But that's what you do. Okay. Just check it out. Yeah. Okay. All right.

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Well, I appreciate that. Well, you go drink your vitamin C garbage concoction and have a nice night.

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No problem. Hey, everyone, if you haven't support this man, the apostasy is getting greater.

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He's one of the faithful brothers who's got a solid ministry and people are falling by the wayside.

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So if you can, even if it's five dollars, you know, support Karn. It's a good organization.

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Thanks. Appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, man. All right. I'll talk to you later, man.

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All right, buddy. God bless. OK. Hey, there we go. There's a break. And we'll be right back after these messages with two anonymous

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Raleigh, North Carolina. Please stay tuned. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live.

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Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

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All right, buddy. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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Now, for those who might be listening a different way, we're having audio problems from my end. I rebooted the computer during the break.

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And I don't know why, but I'm working on stuff and we'll just see what we can get figured out. Let's get to anonymous from Raleigh, North Carolina.

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Welcome. You are on the air. So should I change my voice, too?

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Hi. Good evening, brother. That was bad. Almost said my name. Anybody out there listening?

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I did my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ church. I know listening. But anyway,

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I'm wondering. I've been in I didn't know how to ask the question. But to the gentleman before you, my 11th or 12th great -grandfather was

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Hans Landis. He was the last Anabaptist minister. He was arrested.

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He was him and his friends, brothers in Christ, and all escaped.

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He, however, went back to be near his family or exactly details.

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But then he was rearrested. He told them before he was he told the executioner that he forgave him and it says that he smiled at him.

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But that I'm wondering question. I'm wondering. I've been in no less. No less.

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I've been in no less than 30 in those 30 motorcycle car accidents.

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Other things I'd rather not say, but, you know, definitely there's no other way that I'm still here.

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But God's grace and mercy. Do you have a question? The thing is, thanks.

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Thanks, Romeo. Does that have anything to do because I've heard of generational curses, but what could that be have to do with because of Hans Landis, like the generational that I show me more grace and mercy because he was a martyr.

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I don't. OK, you got to pose that question confused. So you want about generational curses?

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Are they real? No, no. OK. I know that there's I think there's generational curses, if I'm not mistaken.

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But could it also work the other way? Because he was a martyr that he stood firm. I mean, could that be passed along to I mean, to where I've he showed me more?

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I don't know. No, I wouldn't. No. What happened to him was on him and the

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Lord will reward him for his faithfulness. But other than that, you know, we talk about generational curses, but generational blessings, there's kind of stuff like this spoken of in the

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Exodus, Exodus 20, the Ten Commandments area. So they're spoken of. But but, you know,

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I'm not sure how much we want to get into it. I'm not sure. OK. OK. No, no.

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We're just saying that. Is there a way that I have been shut? I mean, I've not shown more mercy and grace and others, but that I'm still alive because of something he did.

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I mean, like through the bloodlines. I just. Well, there's a yes and a no to that. You can still be alive because of something he did, like, you know, he moved your family from one place to another and that saved your life.

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And that's why you're here. So there's a direct and indirect means of answering that. Yes. But if you mean, is there a spiritual thing that came down that's it's tough because I'm sorry.

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It's tough because we don't know what extent it promises God might have been involved with it for progeny.

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OK. OK. OK. Well, thank you so much and listen to you all the time and really appreciate you more than you could even know.

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I've gleaned a lot and learned a lot. So thank you so much for this. Well, appreciate it.

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Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Oh, thank you, sir. Have a blessed night. A blessed every day.

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You too. Thank you. Well, all right now, we are having audio problems on my end, everybody, the computer, we can't get things solved.

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I don't have time to do checks on it. I don't know what's going on. It's just one of those things that happens sometime.

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So the people in the chat rooms won't be able to to to to hear me.

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But you can't over the radio. So that that's OK. All right. Now, we have nobody waiting right now. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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And what we can do waiting for people is is

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I'm thinking here, I think a couple of things. And we get some of the emails.

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We have some good real question emails that came in. So I think I'm going to get to some of those.

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All right. Let's do that right now. Let's see. Listening to a radio show and I have a question, a conversation with a

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Muslim. He had a hard time with what was written, said it didn't mean what it says. I forget what verse that was or what we're talking about.

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But at any rate, he was on to say, I see the same thing as this Muslim replied from most that I see from your forums, that Jesus was

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God. I'm a bit perplexed over why they say and what is actually written that Jesus said to himself as God sent him.

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I'm not sure what the question is. Here's my question.

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If Jesus was God, then who was this that Jesus spoke of? And said he could do nothing at all without his father who sent him without adding to or taking away from what was actually written.

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Okay. So questions like that, I can't answer because there's so many. If this condition of that, like five or six different things in one question and I'm not able to answer that.

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So I would just suggest that if someone has a question, you just need a basic question so I'd know exactly what it is that is the topic.

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All right. So we'll get on to another question. Let's see. If you want to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276, can you please help me understand why one would hold to what is called corporate election and why one would believe in this over an individual election?

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Corporate and individual are both true in the Bible. Individual election, God picks individuals to be saved and he picks people, groups, and he did that with Israel to be saved, a corporate work.

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We always have to define our terms when we're talking about stuff like that to see if what is being said is what we understand the question to be, you know, what's the terms there?

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So also, does this deny original sin? No, it doesn't. And man's state of depravity. Okay, there's so much

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I want to discuss. Well, Jeremy, give me a call, you know, or we can get in on to some other stuff.

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Anyway. All right. Let's see. Here's another one. When did Jesus get the

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Spirit? Well, that's a tough question because there's two levels we can answer that. Get the Spirit. Well, since he's

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God and the divine nature and the Holy Spirit and Father and Son are all intermixed as one divine essence, then he's always had the

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Holy Spirit in that sense because the Father, Son, Holy Spirit are all one thing. But as a man under the law,

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Galatians 4 .4, then he received the work of the Holy Spirit upon him at his baptism.

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Now, can we say, well, that's when the Holy Spirit moved in him as a man? I'm not going to say that, but I believe it was in the womb.

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But that's another thing. Because it says after this, he was baptized by John and was like a dove and went in the wilderness to be tested. Yeah. So it's just different levels of answering the question because we don't know what exact issue you're trying to get to.

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Anyway, hey, there's the music. So tell you what, we'll be right back after these messages. Give me a call.

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877 -207 -2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live.

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Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

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All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Hope you're all having a good time. Hopefully, things will be working out better.

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Hey, look, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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And I can get to you on the phone. We have nobody waiting right now. And I'm still having problems with the microphone.

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I do not know what's going on. It's the weirdest thing because everything should be working fine.

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And for some reason, it's not working in the stream yard. It might be that there's a little glitch in the stream yard.

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That's what I'm thinking now. All right. Let's see.

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Let's see. Let's see. Defending the Catholic faith against the

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Matt Slicks of the world. Oh, that's awesome. I got to check out stuff like that.

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Yeah, the Catholic faith has got a lot of problems. Let's see. I have a friend who believes that the Ark of the Covenant is right now at this moment in heaven.

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He cites Revelation 1119. Does the Ark represent the presence of God? Oh, boy.

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Yes, it is the presence of God. Does the Ark in Revelation represent Jesus? Or is this the actual

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Ark in the Temple of Jerusalem like my fellow believes? There's just, I can't answer. It's just not that easy.

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There's, Revelation is a symbolic book and very symbolic.

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So if it says the Ark is in heaven, it might mean it in a spiritual way. And sometimes say, well, then it means it can't be on earth.

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Well, it doesn't mean that because there are, there's a city in heaven that is spoken of, but it doesn't seem to be a literal city the way it's described, but yet it's called a city.

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It's just not that easy to say, well, this is what it means. And it's tough. Now, so the article,

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I just, I really can't get into it, explain too many, because really what would happen is I would be explaining things that basically end up with, but it doesn't really, we don't know.

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That's how it would be. I just don't see how we really can get around that right now. Let's try this one.

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Let's try this one. My understanding regarding demons and their abilities towards us believers is that they can torment and afflict us.

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Yes, they can. I don't see a scripture to support believers being possessed, but rather oppressed. Good for you.

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Agreed with that. What concerns me is the growing number of, so to speak, ministries traveling the world, casting demons out of believers, some with manifestations and posting these events on YouTube and social media platforms.

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Yeah, I have a concern about that as well. I don't believe it's legit, and I don't know anything in scripture that says that we can be possessed as Christians, you know, by demonic forces.

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I don't see anything. So what's happening in those places? As well as a lot of places, it's emotionalism and cultural necessity, and it could also be that there are really demon -possessed people who are pretending to be

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Christian, who on the surface look like it, but are really not, and that's one of the things that might be the case.

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All right. 877 -207 -2276. Let's see.

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Horvath from Virginia. Welcome. You're on the air. Hi. Can you hear me?

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Yes, I can. Okay. So my question is,

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I know homosexuality is wrong, and there are pastors who are pretty much saying that in the

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Bible, during Sodom and Gomorrah, that God didn't destroy

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Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality, but in hospitality, and that the men, yeah, and all the men that were coming in to like rape the angels, that wasn't, it was more to like show their dominance rather than to really rape them.

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And there's a book called Unclobbered, and it's pretty much, it talks about Christians who have, or saying that, you know, when they were talking about homosexuals in the

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Old Testament and the New Testament, they were more talking about pedophiles and not homosexuality.

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And so how do you, how do I like rebut that? Well, first of all,

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I need to just say that such pastors who teach that are fools and servants of the devil, they need to repent, they need to trust in the gospel and believe the word of God really says, instead of twisting it to serve the enemy of our gospel,

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Satan himself. So, if any pastor wants to debate me on this, who says homosexuality is not a sin, or Sodom and Gomorrah, then you contact me and we will go at it, we will have a nice polite debate using the word of God, but just call the pastors who affirm such heresy to repentance and they need to repent.

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Alright, so it was not an issue of homosexuality that, I mean, of, excuse me,

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Sodom and Gomorrah, it was not an issue of just hospitality. God wiped out an entire city because they weren't hospitable or nice, they didn't house people.

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It's ridiculous. This is foolishness, it's the fools getting in the pulpit, serving the devil, and they are imitators of the truth, and they need to be rebuked and kicked out of the pulpit, and they need to repent and come to the faith.

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That's what needs to happen. So, sodomy is derived from Sodom, and we know what that means, it's part of God's judgment.

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And so, they wanted to get in and do that to the angels and men, and they were forcing themselves in, and it's just insane.

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It just makes me mad when people do stuff like this. It's just horrible. And so, when we go to Leviticus 18,

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I believe it is, it says, you shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female. It's an abomination.

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Also, you shall not have intercourse with an animal, so before we get into stuff, okay, because they're children. But at any rate, so, it's an abomination in the

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Old Testament, it's an abomination in the New Testament. It's just how it is. Right.

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Now, what do you do with them? And so my sister, well, my sister, she has her friend who's also a pastor, who,

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I mean, I don't believe that women should be pastors, and I know you feel the same way, but she's a, quote -unquote, pastor, and my sister has really taken to following everything she says.

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And so, I pray for my sister, but it's... Ask her if her ears tickle. Ask her if her ears tickle when she does this, you know what

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I mean? Well, it'd just make it nicer. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah, no, but I mean,

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I'm not sure how to get this pastor, Hannah is her name, how to get her to call you and debate you, but I'm just worried

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I don't want my sister to follow someone like that. Well, I've been offering, I've been doing radio now five days a week, 19 years, and one day a week, two years, so 21 years of radio, but for a good portion of it, maybe close to 17, 18 years,

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I can't remember, maybe more, maybe less, but I've been periodically offering over the radio to have a debate, a formal debate, on the issue, does the

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Bible support women pastors and elders, and I'd be glad to debate them, and I've never had anybody take me up on it, not even once, and they don't want to, because I will go to the

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Word of God, and I will put their feet to the fire, and I'll call them to repentance in the debate, say you need to repent of these things, because here's what the scripture teaches, et cetera, et cetera.

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There's a theological reason to this as well, and not just a biblical one, there's theology behind it, in equated order, so she won't do it, because they're unrighteous.

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I remember once, I was in Escondido, California, in San Diego County, and I was at a coffee place, and there was a woman, obviously a woman pastor, had the collar on, had a

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Bible, and she's working on stuff, and I went up to her, and I said, oh, are you a pastor? She says, oh yes, I said, would you be willing to have a discussion with me about the biblical basis for women pastors, and she immediately said,

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I'm not talking to you or anybody about it. Just very hostile, and I said, the

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Bible tells you to give an answer to everyone I'm asking, tells you to do that, and she goes,

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I'm not talking to you, get away, and so, wah, wah, but they're obligated to defend the faith, and this is a critical thing, this is one of the topics that gets me going, because it's like, when

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I talked about marriage yesterday to the guy, men need to stand up and start acting like men, they need to start being godly and strong, and not hold their finger up in the air, and see which way the doctrinal or social wind is blowing, or sit there and kowtow to the leftists and the liberals, and they need to start being men, and start following the

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Lord Jesus, and say, I'm gonna follow my Lord, and if my wife doesn't like it, too bad, and if my boss doesn't like it, too bad,

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I'm following my Lord and my Savior, Jesus Christ, and we need to start having men who do this, well, we need to start having men in the pulpit who do this, and men in the church who start doing this, and say, no, we're not gonna have this, and let me just tell you guys out there, men, let me tell you, if you're sitting underneath a woman pastor, you are supporting sin, and rebellion against God's word, you are supporting it, that's not what you're called to do as men, and if you're a woman pastor, and you are involved in sin and rebellion against God, you need to repent, and be glad to have a debate on this, a formal debate, we do it online,

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I'll come to your church, and we will have a debate on it, but like I say, they never call me up on it, never do, they never, no one ever accepts it, it's a challenge, okay, so, oh, so, no, go ahead,

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I got so much, I could just spew more crud about it, well, in fact, I'm going to, did you know,

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I did research, and 80 % of the denominations in churches that adopt women pastors, within two generations, start adopting homosexuality, yeah, yeah, heresy breeds heresy, okay, and well, we got a break coming up, so thanks for letting me vent, that's one of the ones that gets me, and we'll be right back after the break, so stay on,

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I'll be right back, okay, hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276, we'll be right back.

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It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276, here's

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Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show, let's get back on with our talk, we're back, are you there?

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Yes, I'm here. All right, so, yeah, one of the topics that gets me going, so, or two of the topics, so, did you have any more comments or anything you want to ask?

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So, the same pastor was telling my sister that a lot of the translation from the

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Bible, part of the whole, like, the homosexuality is,

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God didn't condemn it, that whole translation is because it's been mistranslated, and so,

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I just, I don't, I don't know, like, how could I tell my sister, like, that's, but that's, that's not true, like,

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I mean, just go to Romans, go to Romans 1, just go to Romans 1, okay, okay, instead of having to do a translation thing, the word for homosexuality didn't occur until the 1900s, and then it was added into the

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English translations of the Bible, because the term came to bear, that's what it means, but it comes from the

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Greek word, arsenikoitas, man better, that's what it's talking, it means man better, arsenikoitas, koitas,

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I knew what that is, but that's actually the Greek, arsenikoitas, so it has to do with sexual perversions of the same sex, and if you go to Romans chapter 1, it says, for even though they knew

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God, they did not honor him as God, or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened, professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incredible God for the image of a form of crippled man, etc.,

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creatures, God gave them over to the lust of their hearts, to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them, for they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, worship the creature rather than the creature, for this reason

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God gave them over to degrading passions, this is verse 26 of Romans 1, for their women exchanged a natural function for that which is unnatural, in the same way also men abandon the natural function of the woman, and burn with the desires toward one another, men with men, committing indecent acts, and receiving in their own person the due penalty of their error, and just as they did not seem fit to acknowledge

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God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, check this out, being filled with unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, it goes on and on and on, and what's interesting is the last verse says this in chapter 1, although they know that the ordinance of God is that, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice so now that pastor is giving hearty approval to the practice of evil, and he is under judgment okay, all right, thank you so much, you're welcome, all right, sounds good, all right now let's get over to Jim from Greensboro, North Carolina, welcome, you are on the air,

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Jim, thanks Matt, I have not really heard you talk about this, maybe just I haven't listened when someone has, but with the end of times and signs of that nature, what do you, let's just say one of the signs is the building of the temple in Jerusalem, the third times, and I'm like, well that hasn't happened, so we're not near that, but then

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I go, well is that a metaphor or a symbol for a different thought pattern, is it a physical third temple, or like, you know, our body is a temple, is it a symbol for a different thing that we're just,

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I'm not looking at, it looks like it's going to be a physical temple that's going to be rebuilt, in fact the

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Jews now have the red heifer, and they are training priests now, so, oh wow, yep, now

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I've been to the site, and I've been to the Dome of the Rock, I've been outside,

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I've walked around it, and there's a very large area, very large area, where you could build a temple, a

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Jewish temple, right there next to it, now this would greatly offend the

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Muslims, it would greatly offend them, but, well, so what, but there's plenty of room to build a temple in that area, and there's another area down the steps, a whole other area where a temple could go, there's,

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I would say, this is off the top of my head, football fields, there's probably two football fields down below, and maybe two or three above, that's how much space there is, okay.

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I have listened to some people talk about the Antichrist, and of course whenever that particular person comes,

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I'm told, do you think that that Antichrist would be a Jew, that would bring that particular area of the country together?

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I think he'd probably be a Muslim, I think he's probably he might be, but it would make sense, because Muslims would accept a

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Muslim, but they would never accept a Jew to be over them in that area, I just don't see that it's happening.

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The thing about Judaism and Christianity, we're tolerant of others, but Islam is not tolerant, you know, don't take

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Jews and Christians as your friends, or 551 says, so we're not so, they're intolerant, and it's a death cult, is what it is, about killing people, that's what it teaches, and so when things get really bad, it might be that a

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Muslim will arise who's the Antichrist, and he will offer peace, and the Jews will say fine, and that he allows the temple to be rebuilt, and when that happens, when that happens, saddle up, we're there, yeah, yeah, saddle up, yeah, and then get ready, because one of the other prophecies is a 200 million man army that marches up from the east, along the dried up Euphrates River, and the

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Euphrates River is drying up, it's, in fact, no artifacts are being found, yep, and that's

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China has 200 million man potential army there, so, and then Magog from the north, maybe

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Russia, come down in Israel, along with the kings from the east, to take a spoil out of Israel, and the thing that Israel has is the

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Dead Sea, the Dead Sea has trillions of dollars of minerals in it, but extracting it is very difficult right now,

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I don't know why they're not doing it, but it might be, one theory is that it might be that, there's gonna be so much wealth that they're gonna have because of this, that they'll quickly become the richest nation in the world, in the history of the world, if they can get it to minerals,

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I've heard theories about this, but, you know, you don't know, you know, and I've been there, I've been to the Dead Sea, I've floated in the

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Dead Sea, and it's really interesting, it's so thick with stuff, that when you're in a normal pool, you can float, you know,

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I'm six feet tall, 215 pounds, I can float up to about my chin, you know, or my nose, you know, that range, but in the

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Dead Sea, it's below my pecs, the water level is, right about there, it's just, okay, yeah, it's that, that buoyant, yeah, you know, it's just amazing, and then

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I got a drop of it in my eye, and I was almost crying like a little boy who bonked his head, it was really, it was really bad, yeah, yeah, all right, well, that's very interesting,

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I appreciate it, man, well, sure, man, well, sure, God bless, anything else?

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No, okay, so, you know, I had this article up, what are some of the signs of the end times, a lot of people think, now,

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I'm going to just, you know, pop some balloons here, a lot of people think we're going to get pre -trib raptured out of here,

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I don't see that in scripture, I hope I'm wrong, and if you hold to that position,

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I hope you're right, but having just really just examined it, let's just say, looking at the verses that support it, and the verses often taken way out of context, you know, like two men in the field, one's taken, one is left, that has nothing to do with the rapture, when you look at the context, just stuff like this,

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I believe we're going to go through it, I believe we're going to see the trial, the tribulation, just as so many

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Christians throughout the centuries have, who've been martyred, been beheaded, been burned, frozen to death, torn apart by animals, why do people think that, hey, today we're special in America, we're going to get out?

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No, we're not, but there are many things that the Bible talks about that are signs of the end times, let's read some to you, and this is where we get into what's called deprescatology, eschatology, the study of end times, and this is depressing, so deprescatology, so the presence of false

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Christs and false prophets, so the Muslims both have a false

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Christ and a false prophet, as do the Mormons, for example, and the

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Jehovah's Witnesses, because they all teach about who Jesus is, but they're all false, and they all have prophets, and they're all false, there's going to be war, this is out of Matthew 24, the persecution of the faithful, that's

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Matthew 24 9, it says they will deliver you to tribulation, it will kill you, and you'll be hated by all nations because of my name, now here's the thing, people say we're going to get out, raptured, well why would it say they're going to be killed for his name, if God wants us just to not have to go through this, why are they going through it?

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There'll be apostasy that's occurring, okay, lawlessness will increase, and love will go cold,

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Matthew 24 12 talks about that, there'll be earthquakes, famine, and plagues in increasing areas, okay,

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Luke 21, an increase in selfishness, that's 2 Timothy 2 2, that's certainly the case, also in 2

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Timothy 3, chapter 3 verses 2 through 5, it talks about there'll be an increase in the self and money and pleasure, arrogant, disobedience, ungrateful, unholy, haters of good, we see that in America right now, conceited, appearing godly but are not, we see that in a lot of churches, appearing to be godly but are not, the mocking of Jesus, this is happening more and more by the media and movies and things like this, there'll be an increase in knowledge, that's obviously the case inside of Daniel 12 verse 4, a rise of spiritism, this is dealing with not

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Christ but the idea of spirits and coming in contact with spirits and energies and things like that, there'll be a decay in marriage, that is obviously happening, there'll be a rise in false teaching, that's obviously on the rise, the gospel will be preached to the whole world, well that's good, because people are going to be raised up by God through all of this to preach and teach that gospel and praise

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God, praise God, and also there'll be signs in the heaven, different kinds of signs, the moon, the sun and the moon will be darkened, this is

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Matthew 24 29, the sign of the son of man will appear in the sky, Matthew 24 30, there will be according to Revelation 11 18, abuse and destruction of the earth and its resources, yeah that's happening, and so all the nations of the earth will gather against Israel, that's

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Zechariah 12 3, rebuilding of the temple, second Thessalonians 2 talks about that, the arrival of the antichrist, also second

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Thessalonians 2, there'll be the enforcement of the mark of the beast, Revelation 13 17, it's reminiscent of the enforcement of the vaccine for COVID, the jab they call it,

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I never believed it was the mark of the beast, but I wonder if it could have been a test run to see how many people would buy into it and just do what they're told by the government, by the people in power, it could have been a test run, who knows,

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I'm just thinking out loud, and also repentance of Israel and the Jews come into faith in Christ, that's

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Romans 11, so all of this stuff is yet to, some of it's yet to come on the scene, a lot of it is here, and so there you go, and we could do a study sometime on why we're gonna go through the tribulation, wouldn't you guys like to hear that on the radio show sometimes, people go no, hey there's the music, may the

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Lord bless you, and by his grace we're back on there tomorrow, and we'll talk to you then, so God bless everybody, we'll see you, bye.