Open Q&A on Biblical Creation with Professor Andy McIntosh and Dr. Anthony R Silvestro, Jr.

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Welcome to Apologetics Live and Tonight’s Open Q&A on Biblical Creation

Welcome to apologetics live we're here to answer your questions and challenges about God and the Bible meet your hosts from striving for eternity. Ministries Andrew Rappaport, dr. Anthony Silvestro and pastor Justin Pierce.

We are live apologetics live here to answer your Challenging questions anything you have about God in the Bible has been said we are here ready to answer. Just remember I don't know is a perfectly good answer.

Let me bring in dr. Anthony special. How are you, sir? Oh Hold on. I got turn your mic on for now I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring Andy in too so that we have your mic working so that we'll do that. Yeah.

So we do have this set where we're using Andy's computer for your voice Anthony so we have to have him. I forgot about that. Well. Well, I do know that English people Pronounce one word properly. For sure if it's not creation the other part of the argument went in creation versus what?

Evolution correct. Thank you. See the British know that right? It's evil. It's just evil. So Anthony we're gonna do a show tonight. Now. This is gonna be an open Q &A. So we're gonna have time a lot of time for questions.

We're already getting someone that's that's liking your accent. KT is saying a Brit. So What we want to do is get people to come on in to ask questions tonight and so before we Mentioned that I would let me ask you Anthony if you could first introduce Dr.

And it's Andy McIntosh. We're gonna get confused with Andrew Andy and Anthony tonight. I'm just Yeah, I'll have trouble with Andrew and Anthony. Andy and Anthony. So that's yeah. So I'm gonna let you introduce Andy and then also talk about what you want to do with the show.

And then we're gonna get to I'm gonna give a quick update from last week And that's what instead of an in the news section. I want to do an update from last week. So yeah, absolutely.

So so it's our pleasure to have professor Andy McIntosh on tonight with us who is a professor. He's got a bachelor's in applied mathematics and a PhD theory of combustion. So he's got a lot of really cool stuff that we'll be able to talk about tonight.

Stuff on the bombardier beetle as well as other things. And and what's really neat is I know you've been an adjunct professor with answers and Genesis or adjunct speaker right. For instance Genesis out in England, but You know so many people say creationists don't know anything that we can't do real science.

Well, Andy is one of the guys that actually has real patents for doing real science as a creationist so I'm really excited for the show tonight and and He's a wealth of knowledge. Please come in with your questions either in the in the chat for us or Or come on live on camera and be able to ask those questions live.

And if you are not a believer or don't believe in the under creation We want you to come in to and ask Andy all the hard questions tonight.

Clarifying Context from Last Week’s Discussion

Yeah, I like how you said that ask Andy all the hard questions. Did you did you hear my my fellow my fellow Abrahamic tribal friend there in the intro. I Did it? That is Ben Shapiro. Or did that for you or or at least it's his voice.

No, it is it is Ben Shapiro and that I was I used some AI I was playing with and I figured I'll have a little fun and and as since I did a response to Ben I. Someone's saying it's a deep fake. Actually.

It's not a deep fake technically. Deep fake technically is when you're doing videos. But it is it is a I generated. So so Andy my background that I have is cybersecurity and Yeah, you should be. I'm actually when we do an update here.

I'm gonna give I'm gonna do something that Anthony's probably wanted to know for a long time. I'm gonna reveal one tool the only one that I've used That you can get on the internet to find things but that's gonna keep Andy and Anthony in suspense.

So I'm the one that messed it up the saying calling Anthony Andy. All right so now it's really funny because Melissa says I feel a lawsuit coming that's gonna be really funny because I'm gonna talk about a lawsuit later.

So What I want to do and so we're gonna have to keep Professor Andy up so that you can talk Anthony, so Which means we got to see his facial expressions with things. He has no idea what we're talking about because he didn't watch apologetics live last week.

He should have but he didn't. All right. I want to give a quick update up. Were you gonna say something else Anthony? Yeah, so here's here's the thing we want to do a quick update because some things had happened since Last week and what I want to do is I got about a five minute video of Clips from last week and we're gonna go through and talk about.

I want to just take 15 minutes to give an update because Some things had happened and some things have been claimed and we found out more. And so if you didn't watch last week's episode just real quick.

We're gonna we're gonna bring you up to speed but there was someone who responded to Justin Peters Criticizing him for a post he put on Instagram and he the basically the whole thing was that Justin left out context from a post that he put and Therefore he's really wrong.

He's dividing people even though what Justin said was something that other people That charismatics had said so the issue here that we were addressing is Was that being fair and the answer I think we're gonna see is he wasn't we saw that in in the show.

Let me just play this I'm gonna play a couple because the first part what I want to do is I want you to clearly see Just grabbed a few clips that Zack is going to claim very clearly that Justin left out context.

He posted this post by itself. Just hear him in his own words I don't want to be accused of being wrong. This is his own words.

Even addressing just his audience. Does he have to also address the larger audience that could possibly be watching?

If he posts publicly after the fact and yes. He posted that statement by itself at a point is that Justin quoted himself from his own presentation and left it at that. It's not my job to provide the call, you know, how'd I just?

Not seen anything else I wouldn't know. Okay, first thing I didn't quote.

Okay, so you heard him say over and over again and there's way more clips I could have used. But here he's gonna say what his biggest issue is the biggest issue. He's gonna tell it twice.

Justin quoted himself from his own sermon divorce from any context and even in the sermon or presentation There was a war but again if there's context to the statement. He left it out in the post and he didn't necessarily bring it up inside the sermon.

He quoted that statement in and of itself by itself with no preceding context. No following context none whatsoever. Anybody that sees that statement by itself as he quoted he left that out.

And I think that was my biggest issue and I think exactly me ask you so you're you're saying the biggest issue you had was that Justin didn't provide contexts to The Instagram post, correct? Mm-hmm. Okay, so you see clearly.

He's saying the biggest issue was the lack of context from the Instagram post. The reason I bring this up is because if you watch that show again after this you're gonna see that there's there was some Changing in this in the beginning of the show was all about the Instagram post that was lacking the post itself.

I can't show you the post he had anymore because his whole Facebook is down but he showed part of a post and so We end up seeing that he does know the context. Because he's even going to read so what we end up seeing is one of the things that happened was That he he's the one that left out the the context.

I'm gonna show you the original post that he was referring to and show you where he cut it off. So when we see this he shared this post and he shared this when you saw he shared this. He shared this and he put just the top of this and if you look it's there's the first Paragraph that he had and then he kept referring throughout throughout the show about the last word hashtag truth bomb.

He cut the rest out. He didn't include this whole picture. Why might he have not have done that? Well, because even though he read from Justin's sermon. This came up during the discussion. But I want you guys to notice something it says quite clearly in the part that Zack left out in his criticism of Justin an excerpt of my sermon an excerpt of my sermon the modern Christian resurgence at Kootenai Community Church Cessationist conference back in November the link to the sermon and more info upcoming Cessation movie can be found in the link in my bio.

So he provided the context where you could get more Context it was right there. Zack was the one that left that out. And so when we had this whole discussion and I want you to see what I'm gonna play a little bit more of it.

So you can see that Zack was the one who left this out and then I got some some something that came up. That's really gonna shock you. We have a low view of the Holy Spirit. That statement, do you know where that comes from?

Which one the low view of the Holy Spirit towards who that's not toward anyone. But where it originates this the statement that Justin is referring to what I don't context to yeah.

I understand there's a context to it. And I understand that it's from people that have accused him of having a low view of the Holy Spirit and my whole point. Behind that of course we watch this sermon is had he mentioned that It would have been.

My response probably would have been different, but he didn't mention that in his presentation.

Which is why I took issue with it. So, okay. So he says he didn't mention it in his presentation and He did actually mention it in his presentation and I wanted you notice though Zack left it out of his his comments his post that he made he chopped off the the Necessary part there what you end up seeing though.

What he ended up doing is he was making it very clear that he did find the sermon. He did read or listen to the sermon and we're gonna even hear him read part of the sermon that provided the context that he said was missing and.

So when we do apologetics, we have to realize that. Sometimes you go back in discussions like this and realize some things people say. What we ended up seeing is he claimed he didn't know The context but right there you heard him say he he knows the context.

So he said anybody who sees this wouldn't know the context and yet he's he's saying this was so divisive. Because no context was given and yet he's saying he does know the context and does know that the people actually saying this quote Were the charismatics?

But the the statement itself was divisive because they had no context. I'm harping on that for a reason because I'm gonna show you son Zack wrote that's gonna surprise you.

I'll quote I'll quote this now. This is from Justin. This is Justin. Why is it that the movement that claims to have the most intimate relationship with God the movement that claims dreams and visions from God And signs and wonders the movement that claims to have the highest view of the Holy Spirit.

Why is it this movement a charismatic movement? That is welcome home to the most brazen heretics the most prolific false prophets and most obvious charlatans and hucksters ever to ever disgrace the name of Christ.

Why is it that those people find it welcoming home in the charismatic movement. The very movement that claims to have the highest view of Excuse me the highest. Movement that claims to have the highest view of an intimate relationship with God in the Holy Spirit as a cessationist.

I see no ground to the charismatics in my new ecology and my doctrine of the Holy Spirit as Cessationist you and I see no ground to the charismatics in our view of the Holy Spirit. It's not we who have a low view of the Holy Spirit.

It is not we who have a low view of the Holy Spirit. It is they who have a low view of the Holy Spirit as cessationists. I do not believe that someone can be indwelled by the third person of the trying God and teach the things they teach.

I know the heresies they utter exploit the poor sick and desperate and the widows for personal financial gain offered thousands of false prophecies put Words in God's mouth that he never said and to be indwelled by the Holy Spirit.

So when he says that okay, so right there what you end up seeing with your cessationist or a continuationist. There's one thing that you see there Justin and and he even read it which shows that he knows the context.

Justin said hucksters and is describing those hucksters. So when he was claiming he didn't have the context and it's not provided the context was Provided and Zach left it out of his open letter. His open critique of Justin when he said that now.

You know. The issue is that Zach believes that one must show context and I want to play this last bit because I'm going to show you something that Zach himself says.

So the view of the Holy Spirit, it is not we who have a low view of the Holy Spirit. The charismatics the charismatics they the charismatics that have a low view of the Holy Spirit because.

Who do what with regard to the we oh.

If only that was that was stated in the original Instagram post by itself.

Okay, remember it was stated in the original Instagram post with a link. And there he's showing you the post. Toward the end of his post. I don't know you can't see it, but I should put it on screen so you could see right there at the end.

Now watch him have to admit that He knew the context pulled up. I can probably get it. Let me see. Just real real actually, hold on. Hold on the link can be found to the cessatious movie found in the bio.

Okay. So the I just to confirm. He said the link can be found in the mind if you're going to use terms that are widely used. And if you're going to make a statement like what he said It is very fair to the other side and to your audience to clarify.

This is what I mean by this instead of just making a blanket statement because anybody that hears it Can take it one direction that maybe he didn't intend for it to go and if he didn't intend for you know.

The way that I took it for it to be that way. Like I mentioned you didn't provide context and didn't give any clarity to what you meant by that. So I hear a blanket statement and I'm like, well, what am I supposed to do with just this?

You know hypothetically so that's all I'm saying. You don't have to I mean like one of the most important things for me. That I believe we should all do on a more consistent basis is just define our terms.

This is what I mean by this so that It's abundantly clear from any sermon presentation, etc. Of what we say and do that is clear by what we mean by it. Otherwise if we don't define our terms other people will defy them if there are statements like that.

Feel free to share them with me. I would have a problem with blanket statements like that.

So you're you would. So if we provide those statements, you will be writing an open letter to Bill Johnson and others.

Again, like I said, I don't have to address every single thing that every single pastor. Why did you have to address this one?

Okay, so he saw it now here's there's a reason I played all that I know that was a little bit it was long. I wanted to get time to hear him in his own words and we want to get to Andy but the reason I did that is because just after the show someone sent this to me.

And I wanted to hear him in his own words. Remember anyone that makes a blanket statement that doesn't provide context. He's going to address it publicly. This is his own words he says Cessation ism is a cancer within Christianity what began as an appropriate reaction to falsified miracles with the Roman Catholic Church has be has become a Many headed monster that has divorced the people of God from the power of God.

Power that we are instructed to desire and seek after the Bible. Now. Here's the issue I have with this folks. This statement is the exact thing that Justin was saying that charismatics make that Zach says he doesn't know the context for.

To argue that that people that believe gifts cease that they have a low view of the Holy Spirit or believe that there's a Divorcing of the people of God from the power of God, but when you make a blanket statement that cessation ism is a cancer.

There was no context for this given he's he is doing the very thing he accused Justin of doing and Justin didn't actually do it because Justin we tried to show provided context. It was funny because his wife Lindsay was making a big deal cessation ism not cessation ist.

Which is funny because if you go back to last week's show. Well, he made the whole issue over one word the charismatics where we kept trying to point out that doesn't mean all Charismatics. Justin was really clear.

You heard him read it that it is those hucksters that That do this and so you end up seeing from this that he knew the context he ignored the context. He's the one that denied showing the context and a day before he came on.

He had shared this this blanket statement. This actually this statement. I said to his wife this undid everything. He said on the show it undid it because whatever he was trying to argue for just got undone with one post.

He did the day before. Okay now I have been critical of Lindsay. I said so on the show because when she first came out of Bethel, I wanted to see her get discipled and That was something that I did not see she claims.

She has been discipled now. It's interesting. She gave me two people that have been discipling her. I Only one she tagged him. I asked him both to explain that that discipleship one guy said I don't know what you mean.

He's got no clue. So that's not when I said, what is it? What's the discipleship that you're doing with with her and Zach look like and he can't tell me. She further explained and I'm gonna put this post up because this becomes interesting and this is one that Anthony may want to speak to as well.

But she she put this up in responding to something Anthony said I'm gonna focus on something different than Anthony. But Lindsay had said to Anthony Sylvester. Oh, I have no involvement in the NAR now.

That's what I'm gonna focus on Anthony. You may want to focus on the other part. She's got no involvement in the NAR.

But she says that her pastor is an apostle and and the reason why I asked that question about if she is involved is because she. She said that she does. I asked if she goes to an NAR church and she said she does not and that was her response.

She has no involvement in there.

No, it's careful wording. No Involvement doesn't mean I don't go to a church with a with someone who calls himself an apostle now this pastor supposedly. Who's an apostle? He say they say that he's an apostle in the New Testament Church's mindset, so he's he's a church planter.

But we don't we use the word church planter when someone uses the term apostle nowadays. They usually mean it in the New Apostolic Reformation and so if you're going to a church that has an apostle I would say you are part of.

You are involved with it, but you. You if they want to make that distinction the question i'm going to then have and it wasn't answered is. You know, does this guy hold to the five-fold mandate of the NAR?

Does does he does he? Practice those things um. Now I said that there's my issue was with the discipleship. Anthony, i'm going to ask you a question. I did reach out to her previous church the previous pastor that she was at in texas and spoke to several people.

I've heard from multiple people. She says that she left the church because no one would disciple her. And yet I was told several people who reached out to disciple her and she refused. One actually said that she left the church because they were pressuring her to get discipled.

She moved to ohio anthony as soon as I knew she moved less than an hour from you. Can you explain the phone call that you got from me? And what what happened what we tried?

Yeah, well you and justin peters, um called me together and and asked if I think julie would be willing to disciple lindsey even though you know, it's about an hour away from us and. And I asked her she was she had no problem with it.

So, you know, I know that julie had lindsey's number. Lindsey and julie's number they talked briefly once or twice. And lindsey didn't want to do any type of discipleship after that and julie just dropped it.

She's not going to press into it. So yeah. So.

We we have two Cases where we don't see discipleship. We have two people's names that supposedly discipled her but they can't describe what that discipleship looks like. Um, I believe that. Uh, you know and look anything i'm saying now she she decided to publicly share my text messages with her private messages.

I don't care. I'm fine. She thought that that she actually thought it was going to show that i'm a different man in public versus private and I think the reason she probably took it down because I saw the people commenting and saying.

Uh, actually this shows that andrew is just as stern with your husband and with you Online as he is in private like I don't see the difference. Um, but there is something and i'm going to let you address if you want to address anything.

But I have one last thing I want to. I want to address actually two things. One is this? Um. You know if people want to say does can you know, is there an easy way for us to see? Um you know What justin means by this and this is where i'm going to get let anthony in on a little bit of a secret here.

He's going to get to see one of my tools. All right. So this is a tool that you can use to look up. Uh, basically, it's it's not perfect. But anytime someone says something on youtube. That it automatically generates subtitles and you can search all the subtitles.

And you can actually get from those subtitles you could get the exact The word so I I was going to play through these things. But basically what we have here is different videos except for that one with the with the british guy Murray smith, sorry andy, but you know, we're that's the only that got in there because he made That.

Um, but what you see here is I did a search for a low view of the holy spirit and justin says this over and over and over again and What ends up happening is I just did a quick search just to see. And in each one of these he ended up providing the context.

I want to make sure we have time to get to andy so i'm not going to get to that. One last thing that I do want to share though um is this. There was a lot that had gone on with that I found out afterwards.

With lindsay because I I said that I believe that she's trying to build a platform. And i'm going to tell you why I think she's trying to build a platform. Because now she's got a t-shirt company and I guess a cosmetic company but.

There was this. And this was one of several posts and I want to highlight something here in the several posts. She said that there was mold in her house and she had to leave. And she's saying here that she needs she has a gofundme and she needed money for uh.

For uh, all the donations will go to treatments cost of appointments travel expenses lab work and legal costs she's going to talk about here about the the pay for extensive medical bills and legal fees and people asked about the legal fees and she's saying she's going to sue people for um.

You know over these things. Here's another post where and this one's very interesting. Furthermore, we got our lab text back. It's not good. We cannot give specific details for legality reasons. Okay, even on her fundraiser she says Legality purposes we won't disclose the name of the company that she's suing.

Why why am I spending time doing that because one of the things I also have and i'm not going to reveal this tool. Um because well i'm that's not going to but there is a tool that allows me to search through every court case in america if there is any court cases I can find it and there isn't a single court case.

That names lindsey davis lindsey davis knots lindsey knots and zach knots. Not a single court case this is over a year ago that they raised 42 000 for legal fees. So folks, why might they want a platform?

Well, they raised the average what the average person makes in a year. They they raise that just pleading for money for a legal case that doesn't exist. So with that i'm going to let you guys be the judge.

I just needed to clarify the things that they had said they they you know, they talked about. Um, the fact that the the context was missing the context was there. Uh, he talks about Cessationist being a cancer without providing context i'll ask you which is worse, which is a more divisive statement just in quoting creationists.

And he's not quoting sorry creationists. I'm getting ready for the next segment. It's this he's he's charismatics. He's quoting charismatics and he's not carrying all of them. He's he's says he's quoting the hucksters those that are abusive.

And he's quoting them and using their own words against them. That's supposedly so divisive. But zach doesn't think calling a whole group of christians. To that they're a cancer. And that they divide the people of god from the word of god.

So anthony I don't know if there was anything more you wanted to add.

Uh, no, i'm gonna leave it at that. I I did not attend the show last week. Um because I didn't want to distract from what what you guys were doing at hand. I have some other Um thoughts about the whole thing, but I just I stayed out of it.

I'm gonna stay out of it for a while.

Wise man. Wise man, so, um with that I think I think that I mean we're done with that. I don't think that we'll be doing any more to discuss it. But you know when someone calls someone out publicly. Um, as I said last week do your homework and make sure you can support your case.

Why do I why am I saying what i'm saying here? I think I can support the case here. I think that you know, I can prove that there's no legal cases. There was no there's no case that that they have. Uh legally that we can see in the courts.

After a year and they're claiming they've that they're using this money for for legality. Well I just call liar on that. Until there's some evidence to support it because I don't find any. But I believe that could be a very simple and believable reason why they may want to be platforming.

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When I when I have something valuable to add which means never. Oh. So why don't you introduce I I think most of the folks know the guy all the way to the left there. He is he is the infamous pastor of buella baptist church Casey butner he's been on here a number of times.

We're getting ready to make him a co-host because you know. We don't see justin much. We I think we've seen. Well, I know we've seen casey more than justin all year. But you're still young.

You just happen to be at the right place at the right time down at the resort and you know.

Well, it's Yeah, when you introduce.

So, so dr. Casey butner my pastor here in florida. Um, we have steve hendrickson who is a very good creation apologist and other general apologist. Who just seems to know a lot of people in the apologetics realm and gets to host a lot of people down here.

Which is how I I've heard about professor andy mcintosh from a lot of people for a lot of years. You know mike riddle who's a ministry friend and and I do a lot of work with mike as well. Um knows andy.

Well, and so I i've heard a lot about this brit for a long time. Without ever meeting him and but because of uh, steve uh, we've now been been able to meet and um, captain black eagle says let's just let's just call them people over the pond.

Over the pond and a bunch of spilt tea.

Yeah, as long as the tea's desalinated, well, yeah.

Taxes are paid as long as the taxes are paid. I get it. So, uh, so steve, would you like to give a little bit more of a thorough background for for andy in a bio? Sure.

The neat thing about andy is he's an engineer who's done something in engineering. He's not just an educator. He has actually developed the patents and stuff for his research into the bombardier beetle um.

He's been able to come up with applications for that in real world engineering. That's biomimetics. And uh, he's been a friend of mine since we met. I had been teaching Thermodynamics about four times at the university level the last time at the university of virginia and um Andy has taught for many years at leeds university.

And so I was very respectful of him and we had a chance to meet around 2012 or so. And I brought him to my church in charlottesville, virginia at that time. And then I moved down here and brought him to my church here a few times and then I found out about casey butner.

And he mentioned that hey, you know, you'd probably like to see him and I came and I saw you and mike. Uh do one of your one day seminars and I knew mike because I had brought mike to my church. Yeah, um when he was in there and I brought dr. Joe martin if you know that family.

I brought him when I was uh teaching introduction to engineering and design. I would bring him in and show that as well. So I've got a lot of teaching experience.

Yeah, just when people thought there was only one crazy dentist who's a creationist. They didn't realize. There's also dr. Joe martin. Who's an older? Crazy creation dentist. So yeah, there's a few of us out there.

And hopefully we're going to get a few more converted from the dental realm.

Well, he also joe martin's famous for his amazing creatures that by evolution. That's right. It's one of those things where we look at romans 120 and we just go man. As an engineer, that's that's just the perfect explanation.

It's a design argument. Look at the things that are made and you can tell people. You know, you could be talking to god that way and he could say you're without excuse for saying there's no evidence for god.

Amen to that and that's a great lead-in to the show. So, you know, it's funny. I mean you guys both are actual engineers. I I jokingly call myself a tooth engineer. And uh, but in a lot of ways right when we understand physics and vectors and forces I literally when i'm building teeth or i'm designing crowns on a machine.

Um to make because I don't send them to the laboratory. I make them in office. In cad cam design software mill it out in the cnc machine. And and so all the designs mine. Everything I look at everything and understand the forces.

I can just picture the forces picture the vectors as the teeth are in what we call mastication as they're chewing. Um teeth don't just come together like chattering teeth. They actually have this teardrop movement as they grind food in between the cusps and um.

And in between the cusps or the opposite teeth. So it's it's interesting seeing engineering and and understanding romans one is really about Engineering it is and it's it's about god under god. And the design in the universe design and creation.

And that we're all without excuse because every one of us recognizes he as the designer. That's right.

And you know one of the things you have to remember about design it's nothing really more than plan and purpose. And basically the way I show it to young kids and stuff like that and even you know sunday school classes.