October 2, 2018 Show with Rev. Aaron Anderson on “Love Can Heal Urban Education: The Challenge of Educating Urban Students Within the Context of Poverty, Trauma, Abuse & Other Overwhelming Socio-Economic Factors”

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second day of October 2018, and I am delighted to have for the very

first time on the program, at the urging and the highest recommendations of a

previous guest, Nancy Snyder, who is a Christian author focusing her

literary work on Christian education.

She strongly urged me to interview my guest today, Reverend Aaron Anderson, and he is the

CEO of Logos Academy in York, Pennsylvania, and we are going to be discussing

Love Can Heal Urban Education, the challenge of educating urban students within the

context of poverty, trauma, abuse, and other overwhelming socioeconomic factors, and it's my

honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Reverend Aaron Anderson.

Yeah, thanks, Chris.

It's great to be a part of it.

Amen.

And by the way, if anybody wants to hear my interview with Nancy Snyder,

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interviews, at least two, with Nancy on the subject of raising children in education

and other related topics.

But it's so great to have you on the program, Reverend Anderson, and why don't

you tell our listeners before we move on to your personal testimony, as we have

typically first -time guests on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio give us a summary of their

salvation testimony, what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, they were raised in, and what providential

circumstances rose up in their lives that drew them to Christ and saved them.

So before we do.

That, let us know about Logos Academy,

York,

Pennsylvania.

Yeah,

that's a

thing about what.

And then

they

think

about

two

-thirds of

our

community,

and

in

terms,

yeah,

by God's

grace, we're

seeing,

um, we,

uh, let me

just say, wow,

that's a

lot less

than probably

even the tuition.

Of the private Catholic school that I attended back in the 19, the

early 60s, I'm sorry, the late 60s, and the early 1970s, it probably

wasn't much different than that back then.

Well, yeah, it's a pretty, it's a pretty amazing reality, I mean, we're so humbled and

grateful,

we, we don't have a, you

know, it's not,

it's not, uh,

the, uh,

private Christian

school.

That is operated by the former church where I was a member on Long Island, New York, before

relocating to Pennsylvania, Grace Christian Academy, which was founded by Grace Reform Baptist Church

of Long Island in Merrick, New York.

They had a slogan, I don't have it in front of me, so I hope that I don't ruin the slogan too much,

but it was something to the effect of, uh, we don't

just teach children what to know, we teach them how to think.

Is that, would, would that be a similar motto in some way for classical education

in general?

Yeah, you know, classical, the classical education movement is very much about helping students not only to

become, really, we teach logic,

um, but also they

teach

of

language, because we're trying

to,

you

know, teach

kids to not

only be...

Well, praise God.

And, uh, now let

us, uh,.

Hear something about, as I mentioned, uh, just moments ago, something about your childhood, your upbringing,

what kind of religious atmosphere you were raised in, if any, what kind of providential circumstances the Lord

raised up in your life that drew you to himself.

And saved

you.

Absolutely.

You'll get

yourself, you'll

get

yourself

barred

from

the

Supreme

Court

if

you

keep

talking.

PCA,

you know,

Presbyterian.

If you could,

tell us

something

more about the church where you

pastor.

Yeah, well, I, I'm not currently, I don't

currently

serve PCA church,

and we planted, I

planted

City Church,

with a

speak in different places,

School Network, and.

Great.

Well, I'm going to give our listeners our email address, if they have any questions of their own, uh, to ask

you.

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Well, if you could, a very intriguing theme of our show today, you can heal urban education.

Before we even go to the subtitle of that theme, tell our listeners what you actually mean by that, healing

urban education.

We don't often hear of healing being connected with something like education, but tell us about.

What you mean by that.

Yeah, you know, so, so I've lived in both the suburbs, we

see regarding,

you would

see, um, this is not just

a deep, deep crisis, and, and part of that is there, there are a lot of reasons for that.

I don't, you know, I, I believe poverty

cities are dealing

with.

That's,

I think, as I, as I began doing, um,

there

are, and I want to be very, there are

some

really,

you

want to

love kids,

um, New

York City,

499 in Pennsylvania, and

again, the, the, the

issues there,

significant issues, you know, low, low

attendance

rates of

students,

you

name

it.

Now,

what do

you mean, this is a very oxymoronic,

uh, statement on its surface, the power of

hopelessness,

what do you

mean by that?

Yeah, yeah,

so,

Hope, it lived almost 15,

raised my family in an urban context, and we

have first,

my

community and

realize this, how deep seated, and

you see that, not, it's not just in our, um, you, you spend a little bit of time and you

look at the, you look at the violence,

you look at the,

so, when

I mean, when I, when I think of,

of hopelessness to weigh over a community, and it, and it almost says,

you know,

and

that's, I

think.

Now, if you

could tell

us something more about the adverse.

Childhood experience studies, the ACE studies, as they are used,

or called with an acronym,.

I should say.

Yeah, my neighbor girl.

Wow.

What was the last

thing that you said

about an Xbox

controller?

Xbox, an Xbox

controller, yeah, she, she had a, she

unplugged,

she, um.

Because an.

Adult man was playing a child's game.

Adult man was playing a child's game, so, so here's the,.

You know, I'll talk, and I had to

check my own, I

had to check my own heart on that.

Right.

Um, his mother spoke, she said,

uh, you

know, um,

when he

was a kid.

Punished the

child, because she could not give the child

gifts.

Right, um, so what you have is,

that are abused,

and

generations repeating,

not only

abusing, but murder.

He had three daughters of his own there,

and you can begin to picture.

And, and, of course, just quickly to interject.

Yeah.

Uh,.

People, even though people use as an excuse their own childhood, as

for, for the sins that they commit, people who have been the victims of abuse should

be the least likely, because they know what it's like to be the victim of such horrific treatment.

So, we just want to make sure that, that although it is a, a

tragedy of sins being passed down generation to generation,.

It is not,

it is

not an excuse for

that to be

any kind

of.

Absolutely,

absolutely.

And that led

to the ACE studies.

Yes, so the ACEs were done

in 1998.

These studies,

um, the ACEs

studies, really now, in the last

few years, you can go look, look up,

um, you know, go look up ACE

studies,

and you'll find

that there, in 1998, it grew to Permanente, a group of 9 ,500,

and then they

gave

these

adult

societal,

uh,

lots

in

California.

When

they,

when

they,

risky,

because

of

obesity,

higher rates of cancer.

Once they had

experienced, found in

that, that the

important number that I, that I

want,

in

2012, that

was done in,

in

spring.

In fact,

if

you

have to do,.

In fact, if you could bring up that other connection after we return from our first station break, that'd be great.

Great.

Just don't, don't forget where you left off there.

No, that's great.

And, uh, if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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Our guest today is Reverend Aaron Anderson, CEO of Logos Academy in York, Pennsylvania, and we are

addressing Love Can Heal Urban Education, the challenge of educating urban students within

the context of poverty, trauma, abuse, and other overwhelming socioeconomic factors.

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Reverend Anderson, pick up where

you left off.

Yeah, absolutely.

I'm suggesting

that, you

know,

one of the

challenges,

the

trauma,

you

know, we

know

from really

just

bodies

repeated.

One

of the loving,

one

loving relationship, and

then

kids who

love

them and

trauma,

they

don't have to.

Amen.

We do have a listener, Arnie in Perry County, excuse me, Perry County, Pennsylvania,

who asks, you spoke of earlier the recidivism of

crime and violent behavior that is passed down from father to son, or

mother to daughter, or parent to child, and because of that, I

was wondering how safe the Logos Academy may be in the

inner city.

What kind of violence may occur.

There, and how do you deal with it?

So, this is crazy and

violent, and

there's going to be

fights, and the moment people walk in

this, we, you know,

the moment you walk in the building, like,

we want people,

I seek to

repair.

In my almost five years now, my fifth year, we don't have,

I mean, kids don't, you know, mess with each

other.

Really?

Never.

We don't have, I mean, yeah, I would shudder to say never in the

sense of like, you get

middle, we don't have

warm, the

interactions

are, you know, you'll have

kids see

what, you

know, what

it look like.

I'd be glad to see

what...

Now, I can understand how an atmosphere that you've created and a structure.

That you've created could transform a child that might be otherwise

violent or have other tendencies that would be inappropriate for a school setting, but

how about the period of acclimation when a child comes in from a school of less quality

or an atmosphere that has made violence perhaps even

commonplace in his life, and he's being introduced into this student body there,

how come you, it seems remarkable that you have no violence that you can even think of mentioning,

even when it comes to an acclimation period of someone,

you know, who finds your surroundings foreign to their own

experience.

Yeah, so what you typically have, you know,.

One of the things to keep in mind is when you have kids coming in from other schools,

you have to walk very...

But one of the things is, is

when you see, when you're

not normal for kids, the expectation...

When you

begin

to

set different

standards and you...

I'd say...

I'll tell you, because we

want

to be welcoming to as many kids

as we can.

We are going

to our

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Hello, my name is James Renahan, and I'm the

president of IRBS Theological Seminary in Mansfield, Texas.

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And before we go to any more listener questions, Reverend Anderson, please

define what you mean by love when you are referring to the love that heals

urban education.

Yeah, so anytime

when at Logos

Academy

where we're

talking

about love, and then

take that

when we think about maybe one in

which being

beaten at home

or, you

know, we

have

no

idea what kids are.

We want these kids to

say they have value.

They have, you know, they are made in

the image

of maybe

coming out of

contact even in the midst

of

their

in their classroom

model that we're trying is best, but it is ultimately

it's very relational.

We want we want these kids

trying to sweep their problems.

They need somebody.

Nancy could tell

you what I

think of stories of sexual abuse on kids who've had

these kids need they need adults.

We have Bibi

in Cumberland.

County, Pennsylvania.

And she says, Chris mentioned earlier, the very bad

phenomenon that has existed in the church for decades known as the self -esteem movement.

And I was wondering how Logos Academy counteracts that

phenomenon and that methodology and that ideology where children are being taught

that they can do anything their hearts desires.

At the same time, how do we contradict or counteract to that

lie with the truth that their gifts and talents can

be cultivated and nurtured and that there are many opportunities available to them.

We do not want to crush their spirits, but we don't want to give them false hope.

How do you approach this subject with children?

Yeah, that's a great, I mean, it's a great.

Question.

That question is so contextualized to each child in

the type of

community, whatever you

want, we

can push the

unbiblical ways of the other

side of

that equation are here.

I mean, they're hearing the exact you're a mistake.

I, you know, they're

maybe they're being.

You've got.

And on top of that, they might not have role models in their own family or in their community that gives them any hope

that they can be a doctor or lawyer, a scientist or whatever it is their.

Dream, maybe.

Yeah, exactly.

And I think the message for both, for both the ones that, you know, maybe call

it a arrogance or self -inflation, and then those that are

deflated and living despair, I

think that's

the other thing.

We are broken, we,

sin is

a reality, and yet God

loves us so much that He gave us His only

healing into our world.

And so what we're really eager for kids to

hear is that

there's the hope

of

healing.

Your value is

not God, you have value.

They have given you these wonderful gifts, and you

can use these gifts, you can cultivate these gifts,

cultivate these

tools.

Yeah, it's assuming a difficult hurdle to

overcome.

I know that you.

Said that many of these kids are being taught that they are dirt and garbage, but at the same

time, the hip -hop culture, the rap culture, and this is not

a dig to the intrinsic nature of rhyming in music or anything

like that, but there are trappings that accompany much,

if not most, of the hip -hop culture, and that would be vanity, pride, arrogance,

that kind of thing.

And that is drilled into the...

I see the littlest of kids acting in a very haughty and proud and arrogant

manner because of the fact that they're listening all day long.

Well, I'm not sure that that's why they're thinking that way, but it's being aided by what they're listening to all day long

in the area of hip -hop and rap.

But do you have any comments on that?

Well, I would say, I would.

Probably go beyond, you

know, I say,

do you hear,

do you

have, you're

picking up the message in this song, you know, do you see the, you know, do you see

this?

That's my read.

I think I see that, I think I see it in pop culture, in our music, I think

in media,

and obviously...

Well, we

have.

Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who says, you touched earlier

upon the idea of cultivating the gifts and talents

that have already been demonstrated by children and directing them towards those gifts

as far as using them for their future and so on.

What about how does Logos Academy draw out of children gifts that they might not

even have discovered themselves?

Yeah, I think learning is a huge,

it's not

just seeing what children are showing, we

would say that that happens, that

education is not just the,

education is sort of, that's not, we are, we

are body,

soul, magic

people, right,

to not just

think in

ways that are

great, you've

got

13, but you're working with students, you're getting to know, and

that's what we want these kids,

so I think as you have their

own learning,

they're

over years of time, right, I know I

teach, I do personality

testing.

We have Stephen

in Atlanta, Georgia,

who says, my name

is Stephen, I

live right outside.

Of Atlanta, Georgia, though I didn't grow up in the city, I did grow up experiencing homelessness

and familial abuse and other sad stories.

However, by the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, I've been saved, I've been able to forgive, and I've been

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that my family has fallen into, and it was thanks to God who used people to love me

unconditionally, shared the gospel with me, and walked with me to teach me how to be a godly

man, so I'm very thankful for this kind of program that Logos Academy offers.

Could you ask Aaron to give an example of Christ working through one or some of the

students that stuck out to him that reminds him that all this work is

worthwhile?

Oh, yeah, yeah, well, thanks for that, Jimony,

that's, God,

God can change

people, that's the beauty.

It's not, the human brain

is

almost, almost nihilistic, almost like

it's inevitable, you know,

Jesus

says, one

story, 20 years,

then we added, we began adding grades,

young woman named Estephanie,

does

not speak English, she's in

college

now, she's got this wonderful

job

for what we're doing,

I can't

believe.

Well, thank

you,

Stephen,

and I

believe.

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Academy in York, Pennsylvania.

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We are discussing love can heal urban education.

And if you could, Reverend Anderson, if you could let us know the high

cost of ignoring.

Love.

Yeah, I think I think that's these studies,

you know, I think these studies

originally were done

and

they

it's as

though

not loving

these kids is

that

these

kids

of obesity,

the ones data,

these

are

these are

praise

God.

Let's see here.

We have RJ and White Plains, New York, who wants to know,

I tuned in late and I was wondering if your school happens to be

modeling the Christian classical school model and how,

in your opinion, is that different or even superior to the more traditional

forms of education that exists today?

Yeah, so

we'd be

classical

method

and the

classical

model is

obviously it's

obviously

very from a modern public.

Now, I'm just referring to the only experience I have

had, not that I've had a lot of experience because I was not on the faculty, nor did I ever attend

a classical Christian school, but the classical Christian school of my former church again, Grace Christian Academy

in Merrick, Long Island, New York.

I don't know if all classical education resembles this, but they

would include in the curriculum, not only Christian

literature and so on, they would include in that classical secular literature,

Greek, Roman literature, you know, things such as

the classics of literature that have spanned the centuries that do not

have any definitive religious or Christian connection and other things that are

outside of the orbit of Christianity, like they would expose the children to evolution, not because they taught it as

true, but they wanted to teach children how to respond to that.

Is that something that Logos does?

And if so, why?

Why would a classical Christian school include a lot of things that are not innately Christian?

Well, so

the

answer

is beginning

from a day, you

know,

but

yeah,

those great,

we want kids to understand the

way it works, and

then

we're obviously

also even deep,

deep racial,

we want kids,

our kids

are, we

want to

ultimately,

I believe that.

Yeah, even the Apostle Paul, who, before coming to faith in

Christ, was a Hebrew of Hebrews, a Pharisee of

Pharisees, and yet he was familiar with Greek philosophy and so on, he was a man, he was a cultured

man who understood how to engage people outside of his own orbit.

Exactly.

We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, who asks, I have heard that classical

Christian schools very often incorporate Latin classes into the curriculum.

I was wondering why this is the case, especially regarding Protestant schools.

Yeah,

so, so

yes,

we

do as

well, our,

our

SATs, so that's the,

you know, I think

there's a lot of, there's a lot of academic...

Well, I'd like you to have five minutes, at least, of uninterrupted time to really

instill upon our listeners the uniqueness, the benefits, the superiority

of what Logos Academy has to offer.

Yeah, I

mean,

we're,

at

the same

time,

argue

that I

think

only

to serve there,

that we

don't exist to

serve our

own

tribe,

we, we

exist, that means

Christian, we

believe that this model...

...accessible,

affordable

Christ,

because

we,

each year,

you

know,

slide groups

together,

model across the country that's struggling, we think we've got a model that,

you know, we're, we're...

We have, let's see here, Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York,

who says, you said early in the show that there is no faith requirement

behind enrolling your children at Logos Academy.

Isn't there some kind of agreement that needs to be made by parents that they will, at the very least, submit to the fact that you

are teaching them Christian truths, and that they must expect that their children will

abide by that according to what they are taught, according to tests and projects and other things, and that

no complaints should be expected on those basises for the

instruction of their children in a uniquely Christian environment?

Yeah,

that's, that's, we're

glad to

have them

there.

We want to make sure that we're as friendly as possible,

pray

together,

you know, do those,

we're going

to...

Right, just in the same way, and not that these two institutions are the same, but I

happened to be voluntarily, years ago, enrolled in an

alcohol rehab facility, a Christian ministry that was an alcohol and drug

rehabilitation or recovery ministry in Boone, North Carolina, Hebron Colony Ministries,

and this was an unwaveringly and outspokenly Christian organization,

but they welcomed men who were from any background.

You could be a Muslim and go to Hebron Colony Ministries, but you had to submit to the fact that this was

going to be coming from a Christian's perspective, you had to go to chapel services, you had to interact and

do a, fill out a workbook throughout the entirety of your stay there that was Christian in nature

and so on.

So it's basically on the same premise.

That's, yeah, that's, that's...

Well, you have a minute to just wrap her up and summarize what you want to leave our listeners with before we go

off the air.

Yeah, you know what, I think, I think you

can

make it, maybe you've got somebody,

maybe you live near, need

people...

Amen, and the website again is logosyork .org, logos, l -o -g -o -s,

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I want to thank everybody who listened, and especially those who wrote in questions, and I hope you all always remember for the rest of your

lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.