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arrived at the day for Day number three of our full preterism

debate between Don K Preston a world -renowned advocate

of full preterism and Sam Frost who is a former full preterist

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We are predominantly going to be taking listener questions Because of the fact that we hardly at any

time at all during the first two days of the debate and we know how much

Debate audiences love to participate with questions.

So we wanted to make sure that you did have a fuller opportunity To have

your voice heard or your questions answered but before we do that each of our

debaters is going to give a seven minute recap of What took place

in the last two days of the debate and then each of the debaters Will have three minutes for

rebuttal and we're going to start with Don K Preston if you could give us a seven minute opening

statement giving us a recap of the debate thus far.

All right.

Very good.

Well, first of all before I

session I hope you know as you said most of the questions so far have been

to me.

I hope a bunch email you I just posted

inviting them to send their questions in for me or for Sam

Time

here.

We

aiming

that

it

was

sentryman

this

when

used

with

consolation

or it

would be

deliverance,

but

I

did

not impose one single

thing onto the text as sample says that I do I Observe from the text is the

death that comes at directly directly

sent.

Well, he didn't die physically the moment he died.

Since physical death was

not the dead kind of

death.

Then that means that's 15 would be in fulfillment of

Hosea 13 that 15 would

confirm

that Michael

the foundation of Paul's resurrection doctrine

of 1st Corinthians 15 exactly like Hosea 13 and that

Resurrection is posited at the time Number one is posited on Mount

Zion Number two it is posited at the time in which the city

the fortified by going to

Isaiah chapter 27 the time of Israel

whom

the

Lord had

created

directly from

the chair of the

resurrection

actually

more times than

that but Twice it

is it at the time of the destruction of the city

the destruction.

The Emperor's never responded to that.

He simply tried to dichotomize.

He tried to create a bifurcation From in that day in Isaiah 27 and

Isaiah 20 for the events of The

resurrection on and on it went.

I presented one passage after another Exegetically

cited or disagree

the coming of the Lord in flaming fire.

Well the coming of the Lord in

flaming fire and

Isaiah 66 great and

now Sam

Frost you

have a

seven

minute

recap.

Maintains

the

time

text

of

their

mantra

in

the

nature

cannot

be

what

really

dug

into

the

well.

Thank you, Sam, and now we have three minute rebuttals for each of our debaters and.

Don

Preston

you may

begin

with

your three

minutes.

Okay, let

me

reach

out in years.

Well, let me.

He takes

a position on that passage by the way that the

church has

been on in

chapter 2 for 2 ,000 years.

I

would

remind

the

ridicule

for

seven

many many

times

over and

amen.

Well, thank you Don and now we have our first question, which is for Don Frost.

Susan I get a three minute rebuttal.

I'm sorry.

Sorry.

I'm sorry about that Sam.

That was a mistake.

Forgive me for that.

Okay, now we have a First question from a listener today.

This is Susan Margaret with a question for Don Preston and all of our

questions will be answered in the following time frame the one being asked the

question has two minutes to answer it and Then his opponent

will have 90 seconds to respond.

This is more time than we gave during the other two days of the debate because we have more time to

take questions.

There will be on several occasions Questions that are equally brought to both of you

and in that case You will both have two minutes to respond or answer the question and.

Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania Asks of Don Preston if

Everything is fulfilled that was prophesied in the New

Testament in 8070.

Do humans still await in our future either an eternity with Christ

of? other bliss and joy or Torment and damnation

in hell if we are lost.

Muslim,

I

believe

Sam

for

ease

of

vengeance

in

which

a

salvation

of the

remnant

bread

something

into.

Okay, Sam

Frost.

You have 90 seconds.

Another

question.

For Don Preston.

We have John in Bangor, Maine who asks if

Jesus Christ has already come in finality in 8070 do you still

practice the Lord's Supper and for that matter? Baptism.

And does the church still exist?

I'm writing this down

like this cup you

do should come

now.

This is

the

only

past in

a new

thing of

that

sort.

Okay, Sam

Frost.

You have

90 seconds to respond.

Yeah,

hey,

we

are

going

to our

first

station

break

and

when

we return.

We will have a question posed to Sam Frost and if you have a question of your own, please

keep the questions brief.

We don't need anybody teaching lessons to our debaters or to the audience with lengthy

tomes on what you believe.

Keep the questions brief and please Identify who the question is for whether it's for Don Preston

Sam Frost or for both.

You may ask Both a question, but we are going to our break and we're gonna be right back after these

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If you just tuned us in today is day number three of our debate between Don K

Preston world -renowned advocate for full preterism and Sam

Frost.

Who is a former full preterist and today we are predominantly?

Taking questions.

In fact for the remainder of the program.

We are exclusively taking questions from listeners.

Each debater has two minutes to answer the question when it is addressed to him and

His opponent has 90 seconds to respond.

And now we have a question for Sam Frost.

This is from Timothy in Fremont, California and

Timothy asks.

I just have to pull up his question.

Let's see here Timothy asks.

Let's see.

Had it right in front of me.

Oh here it is.

Sam are you a Roman Catholic?

I notice that you quote from the American Bible and the Douay -Rheims Bible

and these are Catholic versions.

Don

Preston

you

have

90 seconds to respond.

Don Is Don there?

Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry.

Yes, so it's you have 90 seconds to respond.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, there's not really an awful lot to as he's not a Catholic and that's

fine.

But once again, he appeals what

we must believe.

That that really proves nothing and what's interesting to me here is that

okay in Christendom You can have all millennial is

imposed.

We cannot have preterism.

We can have certain degrees of preterism.

But not all of it, even though the

people in our preterism.

We will be full preterist.

Even in T. Wright who is not a full prep on many

many occasions.

That if he is consistent with the things that he says, he would be a full preterist and he goes.

Oh, no.

No, no.

No, I'm not that but once again, even his adversary say

no it being.

You must be a full any

day of any creed,

okay, you're out

you're out of

time.

Don.

Okay, now we have to go to our next question which will be for Don

Preston and Let's see.

Actually.

Okay, here it is.

Yeah we have Justin in Jemison, Alabama.

S Don Preston.

Since you believe that all prophetic parts of the Bible have been fulfilled.

Do you believe humanity and The present universe will come to an end at some point in the future.

Or do you think they will last forever if you believe they will last forever forever?

How do you get around the laws of thermodynamics which show the universe's?

The universe to be inevitably winding down out of energy if you believe that Humanity will

end and why wouldn't God reveal anything about this in his word?

Especially since God revealed details about creation to us in Genesis 1 and 2 and you can

let me know if we need any of that repeated and you have.

You have two minutes to respond

on okay.

Well, that's quite a

quite thermal dynamics.

I admit that for

that is

unequivocally posited

in the

context

of the time.

A new people with a

new name.

Point number three as I

pointed out a few moments ago.

And that is in the new

heaven and new

speaking to old covenant to

create new heaven a new

following.

It's

come

generation.

I'm more than willing to accept.

And Sam frost you have 90 seconds to respond.

Yeah, I think the Bible.

Out of

time before

the

midway

break

and we

are

going

to enter

into that

break

right

now.

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between a Don K Preston world -renowned advocate for full preterism and Sam

Frost a former full preterist and.

If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and We would prefer That those who

are siding with Don Preston Send in questions for Sam Frost.

Since we have an abundance of questions for Don Preston already.

But I'm not going to exclude more questions for Don.

I just wanted to make it clear that we're in more urgent need of Sam's of questions for Sam

we have.

Let's see, we have Justin and Jemison, Alabama.

Who asked Sam Frost?

Do you believe any prophetic material in the Bible was fulfilled in 8070?

Hello, Sam.

Do you believe any prophetic material in the Bible was fulfilled in 8070.

That's Justin and Jemison, Alabama's question.

Yeah,

okay,

Don

Preston.

You

now

have

90 seconds to respond.

Don Don are you there?

I'm sorry.

I turned my turned it off.

Here we go.

Yes, of course.

I'm glad to know that Sam still admits that

some question is how much well one once again Luke chapter 21 in verse 22

Discussing that all the things that are

written most revelation chapter 10 7 and following that in the days

of the sounding of the seventh Trump is a lord was got way

enough.

Only one city bottom.

That was Old

Covenant,

Jerusalem.

Okay, we have a question from Anthony in Smithtown, Long

Island, New York for Don Preston if Jesus died for the whole world

Which includes the earth and the earth will always remain the way it is unredeemed.

They wouldn't that make Jesus an incomplete Savior.

Can you read that again?

Sure.

If Jesus died for the whole world, which includes the earth and the earth will always remain

the way it is unredeemed.

Then wouldn't that make Jesus an incomplete Savior?

I'm going to assume that I understand the question.

I'm not sure perhaps some clarification would be in order.

I'm not sure if Anthony material

is.

I find nowhere in the Bible

in animals.

I find nowhere in the Bible that Jesus died to redeem trees.

It for mankind.

When Jesus gave the Great Commission He said go into

all the world

and preach the

gospel to every

crummy saved and

Romans chapter a redemption.

By the way, the redemption that was very near and oh, by the way, folks, I'm back.

No apology whatsoever.

Statements in

the New

Testament.

I don't find anywhere in shows

obedient to Christ.

Okay, Sam Frost you have 90 seconds.

Yeah, that's good right to the heart of the matter.

I want you to see

that what we see right now in

the maternity I'm and

everything that's

ending it

I'm

an end be

compared with the glorious and waits and eager Expectation of the

incarnation of the word

who

became

dust who became of

the image of Adam himself

Wally and the

hell in

the incarnation with a unification and

of God placed under

his feet.

We're out of time everything off into another world, okay.

All right, we have.

Let's see.

We haven't heard from a listener in Italy in quite a long time.

Lorenzo in Perugia or Perugia Italy and I'm sorry if I'm

mispronouncing that Lorenzo.

This is a question for Sam Frost if I understand correctly.

You said that you don't think second.

Thessalonians 1 Talks about the second coming of Christ.

How can you say that if right in second?

Thessalonians 2 chapter 1 pulses concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and are being

gathered to him and then gives the signs That must proceed that coming.

You have two minutes Sam and then Don will have 90 seconds.

Yeah,

I'm

currently

working

on a

book on

second

Thessalonians

and noting

all

of

the

right.

Don Preston you have 90 seconds.

Once again, Sam Frost ignores the fact that second second Thessalonians chapter 1 is drawing directly

on Isaiah chapters in flaming fire

to take.

He ignores

the

fact

of

the Lord

in

Translation

or

Jesus

is rejection.

He condemns

grammar to it

ignores the

court.

Okay.

We have a question now for.

Let's see here.

We have a question now for.

Don Preston.

Actually, I'm sorry.

It's a question for both of our debaters.

This is from and I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing your name.

Jeroen in Emmen the Netherlands.

Emmen the Netherlands.

This is for both.

Debaters will start with Sam Frost.

You each have two minutes.

When sin came into the world.

Did it cause any changes in the biological nature of plants humans or animals?

And if so, will it change back to its original state in the new heaven and earth?

Sam

you have

two minutes.

I

believe

that

Paul

makes

it

where

he

goes

in.

Okay,

we have.

90 seconds or actually, I'm sorry two minutes since it's for both debaters

for Don Preston.

Okay, it's a great question Sam wants to

convince us.

Bring instantaneous in.

Who remind you.

Sam.

Frost is on record saying there is only one kind of death in the Bible.

That's physical death.

Death in the Bible and since it the wages of sin

is death.

I am forgiven of sin as a child of God that

I have no sin.

John chapter 8 verse 51 a passage I appeal to

him a

paradigm which he imposes.

He will never experience this

Instant.

Okay.

We have a question for Don Preston.

From Eddie in Hoppog Long Island, New York.

If there is only one body of Christ and that body already glorified.

Then you yourself as a member of Christ one body are a glorified member.

Therefore when you sin you do not.

Therefore when you sin you do so in a glorified state.

So the question is can you still sin in heaven?

If not, what accounts for that.

If so and sin always produces some form of suffering.

Is there suffering in heaven.

And Don you have two minutes.

Let me finish writing this down

as I understand it meant to be

glorified in So many passages of Scripture by the way in second

best punishment of the persecutors and the relief from

persecution Of the Thessalonians it would be in the day when he comes to be good

even in

we might have a concept of glory that it is we

removed

and

divorced from

that

ancient

was a matter of

vindicated to become

the person.

Okay.

Sam Frost you

have

90 seconds to respond.

Well, this again goes right to the heart of the matter of

Jesus,

I'm already

glorified

that

yes in

heaven.

Because it has nothing to do is gone on both.

He could purely knowledge.

It's a purely intellectual whether you

say nothing nothing even glorification as Bob has

just admitted.

And that's it.

If you're vindicated that you're alive and now he's using ancient

Near Easterns for 1900 years

by being dead.

Thank you.

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Who last had a question directed toward them?

Was it Don or Sam?

You remember.

Okay.

All right.

We have John in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

Who has a question for Sam as a partial preterist?

I find many points of agreement with Don Preston that you seem to differ on.

Are you a partial preterist?

I assume that the debate was to compare the differences between the two views.

Also, don't you find the use of the phrase? second coming.

Misleading since that term appears nowhere in Scripture using it seems to imply

that only one coming remained after the incarnation when in fact.

There are two the destruction of Jerusalem and at the end of history on the last day.

Please comment.

You have two minutes

Don Preston you have 90 seconds to respond.

All right, very well.

Well, I found it more than interesting.

Old in 8070.

Not all of it, but some so that makes him a partial preterist.

He may not like the time.

He says I don't I don't believe that 8070 was the coming of the Lord.

Well, once again, I've said he stands firmly on church history in this regard.

Commenting on Zechariah chapter 12 to 14 and Isaiah 66 that one could

literally say that

the

Lord came at our time.

We're

out

of time.

Manifest.

We're out

of

time.

Now we have a question.

I'm usually giving first names Cities and states only but since this person is

fairly renowned in this subject I will give his

full name.

His name is Edward E Stevens president of International Preterist Association and

he has a question for Don Preston and He

asks let me just pull up that quote that question.

You teach that Jesus divested himself Divested himself of his individual

flesh and bone human body at the Ascension and that his human flesh and bone body

Was then totally consumed in fire before Jesus entered into the most holy place

of heaven.

Two questions about that.

This implies that Jesus no longer has his individual human body in heaven now.

But you claim that Jesus does have a body in heaven now.

Are you referring to the collective body of the church?

If so, when did that collective body arrive in heaven?

And if it was in 8070 Do you believe that Jesus was without a body in heaven during

the time between the Ascension and the Parousia?

That will be the first question and there's a quick follow -up.

Yeah, I'll just I'll just let it stick at the one.

Okay, I am

on position.

Suggest that

I have

denied that

Jesus has

a body in heaven

is

simply misrepresent on that.

But

there's

no

man

has

seen

or can see

Jesus back to the father.

Okay, Sam Frost you have 90 seconds.

Okay,

we're out

of

time and.

We have one time for one more question, but this will be for Sam Frost and.

And.

This is from John in Weatherford, Texas.

You made a good point that we should understand terms such as body death and resurrection as a first

century Hebrew would understand them.

But shouldn't we also understand the time statement words?

Such as near at hand and shortly the same way assuming they are just as

inspired as others.

Especially as found in the book of Revelation that is book ended with such statements.

And You have two minutes Sam and then Don will have 90 seconds.

That's an excellent question and let me ask you

have I

ever

found me 30 40 years away.

And I say to anybody I'll be there soon the possibility of five years.

When I say to anybody I'll I am near I'm close by.

I don't mean I'm five the normal usage of that language

37 years off, but I guess near means 37 years

and what I mean by that is eight

years.

I'm gonna

Lexical

million

miles away

from the word.

Okay, Don,

you have 90

seconds.

Well, it's interesting to me that frost sets himself against the

sword stands on

his

stories

of the modern

day coming now bringing my

Recompense 20

is quote

really

near.

Okay.

We're out

of time.

In fact,

we're out of

time for

the program.

Wow, this did go by like a speeding bullet and I actually hope to have our

debaters return to debate another Subcategory if you will under the

umbrella of full preterism.

We don't have confirmations from them yet.

I just Impose this challenge to them both right now.

But hopefully you'll be hearing good news from you soon.

And I am really sorry folks all of you who took the time to write Questions excellent

questions that we didn't have time to read.

Hopefully if our debaters return You will be able to have your questions read on air at that

time.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior.

Then you are a sinner.