June 5, 2020 with with Samuel Frost & Don K. Preston Debating “Full Preterism”; Day 3: Audience Questions

The Debate Format and Audience Q&A

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And you can hear those archived recordings of the first two days at iron sharpens iron radio .com and click past shows podcast and you will see them listed fairly near the top of the list of the previously aired programs today.

We are predominantly going to be taking listener questions Because of the fact that we hardly at any time at all during the first two days of the debate and we know how much Debate audiences love to participate with questions.

So we wanted to make sure that you did have a fuller opportunity To have your voice heard or your questions answered but before we do that each of our debaters is going to give a seven minute recap of What took place in the last two days of the debate and then each of the debaters Will have three minutes for rebuttal and we're going to start with Don K Preston if you could give us a seven minute opening statement giving us a recap of the debate thus far.

All right. Very good. Well, first of all before I session I hope you know as you said most of the questions so far have been to me. I hope a bunch email you I just posted inviting them to send their questions in for me or for Sam Time here.

We aiming that it was sentryman this when used with consolation or it would be deliverance, but I did not impose one single thing onto the text as sample says that I do I Observe from the text is the death that comes at directly directly sent.

Well, he didn't die physically the moment he died. Since physical death was not the dead kind of death. Then that means that's 15 would be in fulfillment of Hosea 13 that 15 would confirm that Michael the foundation of Paul's resurrection doctrine of 1st Corinthians 15 exactly like Hosea 13 and that Resurrection is posited at the time Number one is posited on Mount Zion Number two it is posited at the time in which the city the fortified by going to Isaiah chapter 27 the time of Israel whom the Lord had created directly from the chair of the resurrection actually more times than that but Twice it is it at the time of the destruction of the city the destruction.

The Emperor's never responded to that. He simply tried to dichotomize. He tried to create a bifurcation From in that day in Isaiah 27 and Isaiah 20 for the events of The resurrection on and on it went.

I presented one passage after another Exegetically cited or disagree the coming of the Lord in flaming fire. Well the coming of the Lord in flaming fire and Isaiah 66 great and now Sam Frost you have a seven minute recap.

Maintains the time text of their mantra in the nature cannot be what really dug into the well.

Thank you, Sam, and now we have three minute rebuttals for each of our debaters and.

Don Preston you may begin with your three minutes. Okay, let me reach out in years. Well, let me. He takes a position on that passage by the way that the church has been on in chapter 2 for 2 ,000 years.

I would remind the ridicule for seven many many times over and amen.

Well, thank you Don and now we have our first question, which is for Don Frost. Susan I get a three minute rebuttal. I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry about that Sam. That was a mistake. Forgive me for that.

Okay, now we have a First question from a listener today. This is Susan Margaret with a question for Don Preston and all of our questions will be answered in the following time frame the one being asked the question has two minutes to answer it and Then his opponent will have 90 seconds to respond.

This is more time than we gave during the other two days of the debate because we have more time to take questions. There will be on several occasions Questions that are equally brought to both of you and in that case You will both have two minutes to respond or answer the question and.

Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania Asks of Don Preston if Everything is fulfilled that was prophesied in the New Testament in 8070. Do humans still await in our future either an eternity with Christ of? other bliss and joy or Torment and damnation in hell if we are lost.

Muslim, I believe Sam for ease of vengeance in which a salvation of the remnant bread something into. Okay, Sam Frost.

You have 90 seconds.

Another question.

For Don Preston. We have John in Bangor, Maine who asks if Jesus Christ has already come in finality in 8070 do you still practice the Lord's Supper and for that matter? Baptism. And does the church still exist?

I'm writing this down like this cup you do should come now. This is the only past in a new thing of that sort. Okay, Sam Frost. You have 90 seconds to respond. Yeah, hey, we are going to our first station break and when we return.

We will have a question posed to Sam Frost and if you have a question of your own, please keep the questions brief. We don't need anybody teaching lessons to our debaters or to the audience with lengthy tomes on what you believe.

Keep the questions brief and please Identify who the question is for whether it's for Don Preston Sam Frost or for both. You may ask Both a question, but we are going to our break and we're gonna be right back after these messages.

So don't go away.

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Taking questions. In fact for the remainder of the program. We are exclusively taking questions from listeners. Each debater has two minutes to answer the question when it is addressed to him and His opponent has 90 seconds to respond.

And now we have a question for Sam Frost. This is from Timothy in Fremont, California and Timothy asks. I just have to pull up his question. Let's see here Timothy asks. Let's see. Had it right in front of me.

Oh here it is. Sam are you a Roman Catholic? I notice that you quote from the American Bible and the Douay-Rheims Bible and these are Catholic versions.

Don Preston you have 90 seconds to respond.

Don Is Don there?

Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry.

Yes, so it's you have 90 seconds to respond.

I'm sorry. Yeah, there's not really an awful lot to as he's not a Catholic and that's fine. But once again, he appeals what we must believe. That that really proves nothing and what's interesting to me here is that okay in Christendom You can have all millennial is imposed.

We cannot have preterism. We can have certain degrees of preterism. But not all of it, even though the people in our preterism. We will be full preterist. Even in T. Wright who is not a full prep on many many occasions.

That if he is consistent with the things that he says, he would be a full preterist and he goes. Oh, no. No, no. No, I'm not that but once again, even his adversary say no it being. You must be a full any day of any creed, okay, you're out you're out of time.

Don.

The Nature of Full Preterism and the 70 A.D. Fulfillment Claim

Okay, now we have to go to our next question which will be for Don Preston and Let's see. Actually. Okay, here it is. Yeah we have Justin in Jemison, Alabama. S Don Preston. Since you believe that all prophetic parts of the Bible have been fulfilled.

Do you believe humanity and The present universe will come to an end at some point in the future. Or do you think they will last forever if you believe they will last forever forever? How do you get around the laws of thermodynamics which show the universe's?

The universe to be inevitably winding down out of energy if you believe that Humanity will end and why wouldn't God reveal anything about this in his word? Especially since God revealed details about creation to us in Genesis 1 and 2 and you can let me know if we need any of that repeated and you have.

You have two minutes to respond on okay. Well, that's quite a quite thermal dynamics. I admit that for that is unequivocally posited in the context of the time. A new people with a new name. Point number three as I pointed out a few moments ago.

And that is in the new heaven and new speaking to old covenant to create new heaven a new following. It's come generation. I'm more than willing to accept. And Sam frost you have 90 seconds to respond.

Yeah, I think the Bible. Out of time before the midway break and we are going to enter into that break right now.

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Questions About Preterism, the Church, and the End of History

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If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and We would prefer That those who are siding with Don Preston Send in questions for Sam Frost.

Since we have an abundance of questions for Don Preston already. But I'm not going to exclude more questions for Don. I just wanted to make it clear that we're in more urgent need of Sam's of questions for Sam we have.

Let's see, we have Justin and Jemison, Alabama. Who asked Sam Frost? Do you believe any prophetic material in the Bible was fulfilled in 8070? Hello, Sam. Do you believe any prophetic material in the Bible was fulfilled in 8070.

That's Justin and Jemison, Alabama's question.

Yeah, okay, Don Preston. You now have 90 seconds to respond.

Don Don are you there?

I'm sorry. I turned my turned it off. Here we go. Yes, of course. I'm glad to know that Sam still admits that some question is how much well one once again Luke chapter 21 in verse 22 Discussing that all the things that are written most revelation chapter 10 7 and following that in the days of the sounding of the seventh Trump is a lord was got way enough.

Only one city bottom. That was Old Covenant, Jerusalem.

Okay, we have a question from Anthony in Smithtown, Long Island, New York for Don Preston if Jesus died for the whole world Which includes the earth and the earth will always remain the way it is unredeemed.

They wouldn't that make Jesus an incomplete Savior. Can you read that again?

Sure.

If Jesus died for the whole world, which includes the earth and the earth will always remain the way it is unredeemed. Then wouldn't that make Jesus an incomplete Savior?

I'm going to assume that I understand the question. I'm not sure perhaps some clarification would be in order. I'm not sure if Anthony material is. I find nowhere in the Bible in animals. I find nowhere in the Bible that Jesus died to redeem trees.

It for mankind. When Jesus gave the Great Commission He said go into all the world and preach the gospel to every crummy saved and Romans chapter a redemption. By the way, the redemption that was very near and oh, by the way, folks, I'm back.

No apology whatsoever. Statements in the New Testament. I don't find anywhere in shows obedient to Christ.

Okay, Sam Frost you have 90 seconds.

Yeah, that's good right to the heart of the matter. I want you to see that what we see right now in the maternity I'm and everything that's ending it I'm an end be compared with the glorious and waits and eager Expectation of the incarnation of the word who became dust who became of the image of Adam himself Wally and the hell in the incarnation with a unification and of God placed under his feet.

We're out of time everything off into another world, okay. All right, we have. Let's see. We haven't heard from a listener in Italy in quite a long time. Lorenzo in Perugia or Perugia Italy and I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing that Lorenzo.

This is a question for Sam Frost if I understand correctly. You said that you don't think second. Thessalonians 1 Talks about the second coming of Christ. How can you say that if right in second? Thessalonians 2 chapter 1 pulses concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and are being gathered to him and then gives the signs That must proceed that coming.

You have two minutes Sam and then Don will have 90 seconds.

Yeah, I'm currently working on a book on second Thessalonians and noting all of the right.

Don Preston you have 90 seconds.

Once again, Sam Frost ignores the fact that second second Thessalonians chapter 1 is drawing directly on Isaiah chapters in flaming fire to take. He ignores the fact of the Lord in Translation or Jesus is rejection.

He condemns grammar to it ignores the court. Okay.

We have a question now for. Let's see here. We have a question now for. Don Preston. Actually, I'm sorry. It's a question for both of our debaters. This is from and I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing your name.

Jeroen in Emmen the Netherlands. Emmen the Netherlands. This is for both. Debaters will start with Sam Frost. You each have two minutes. When sin came into the world. Did it cause any changes in the biological nature of plants humans or animals?

And if so, will it change back to its original state in the new heaven and earth?

Sam you have two minutes. I believe that Paul makes it where he goes in. Okay, we have.

90 seconds or actually, I'm sorry two minutes since it's for both debaters for Don Preston.

Okay, it's a great question Sam wants to convince us. Bring instantaneous in. Who remind you. Sam. Frost is on record saying there is only one kind of death in the Bible. That's physical death. Death in the Bible and since it the wages of sin is death.

I am forgiven of sin as a child of God that I have no sin. John chapter 8 verse 51 a passage I appeal to him a paradigm which he imposes. He will never experience this Instant. Okay. We have a question for Don Preston.

From Eddie in Hoppog Long Island, New York. If there is only one body of Christ and that body already glorified. Then you yourself as a member of Christ one body are a glorified member. Therefore when you sin you do not.

Therefore when you sin you do so in a glorified state. So the question is can you still sin in heaven? If not, what accounts for that. If so and sin always produces some form of suffering. Is there suffering in heaven.

And Don you have two minutes.

Let me finish writing this down as I understand it meant to be glorified in So many passages of Scripture by the way in second best punishment of the persecutors and the relief from persecution Of the Thessalonians it would be in the day when he comes to be good even in we might have a concept of glory that it is we removed and divorced from that ancient was a matter of vindicated to become the person.

Okay. Sam Frost you have 90 seconds to respond. Well, this again goes right to the heart of the matter of Jesus, I'm already glorified that yes in heaven. Because it has nothing to do is gone on both.