March 25, 2020 Show with Judy Rogers on “Contemporary Music Can Still Be Biblical: Reuniting the Brain with Emotion in Modern Songs For the Church”

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Judy Rogers and the Theme of Biblical Contemporary Music

I am thrilled After a long absence to have back on this program Judy Rogers. Judy Rogers happens to be the sister-in-law of The guest that I interviewed yesterday dr. Joe Moore craft on with liberty and justice for all Christian politics made simple and I am thrilled to have her on the following day.

Judy Rogers is a Christian songwriter a singer musician a Christian recording artist and she is the wife of Pastor Wayne Rogers, no not trapper John from mash, but the different Wayne Rogers entirely Wayne Rogers pastor of the Dickinson first Presbyterian Church in a Haysi Virginia and today we are going to be addressing the theme Contemporary music can still be biblical reuniting the brain with emotion and modern songs for the church.

We're also going to be talking about Judy's new CD and that CD is primarily meant for children, although Anyone of any age could be blessed consider God's critters Obviously a compilation with Ellie Mae Clampett from the Beverly Hillbillies.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back after a long absence to iron sharpens iron radio Judy Rogers.

Thank You Chris, I could not be more delighted. It has been a long time and it's so good to Reunite with you via radio.

Yes, and the last time I saw you we both before the program were scratching our heads trying to figure out What year in fact even what decade it was, but it was likely it was likely in the 1990s likely somewhere near 1995 when you Gave a concert at the church where I was a member of a church where I was a member before moving to Pennsylvania Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, New York and I very fondly remember that concert and I also remember the Overwhelming reaction of the congregation how much they loved hearing you Sing and and play the guitar and so on.

So that was a that's an excellent memory.

Thank You Chris, and you know what I remember that concert so well I don't know exactly what it was about it, but I just remember so many things about that time. And We've been to New York I've been up there probably four or five times and and that performed some concerts and I come back home and tell People here in the South that we truly experienced northern hospitality.

Amen, well. Before we go into our conversation on. The theme of contemporary music can still be biblical. Why don't you tell our listeners something about the church where your husband pastors? Dickinson First Presbyterian Church of Haysi, Virginia.

This church my grandfather Eli Hugh Hiram good English name Anderson and good Scottish last name Was the pastor all of my youth and I remember him as a great absolutely dedicated man of God So careful with the Word of God and he had a very fruitful ministry knowing and Loving the things of God and butter.

My mama made a hundred C Belcher's were Very active members in that church. Mama taught the youth. My dad was an elder and Our parents didn't just Go when the church doors were open. They often opened the doors of the church so dedicated to the community and to getting that as much of that community as possible into the church.

In Recent years the church was without a pastor and the congregation Dwindled greatly and a lot of people moved away and so we when agreed to come here and Seek to breathe some life back into it and he's been holding forth regularly each Lord's Day and preaching strongly the Word of God and in such a way that I Believe it's warm welcoming and absolutely Uncompromising with the truth and we are pressing on.

Amen, and if anybody wants to find out more about The Dickinson First Presbyterian Church of Haysi, Virginia go to Facebook and type in Dickinson and Dickinson is spelt D-i-c-k-e-n S-o-n unlike the college that's near my home here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania Dickinson First Presbyterian Church in Haysi is spelt H-a-y-s-i Virginia and you can find out more about that church.

In fact, I just looked up when the last time you were on this program and Interestingly enough you and Pastor Wayne were on back-to-back. Wayne was on Wednesday July 30th 2008 and you were on Thursday July 31st 2008.

So we've got to get Wayne back on as well and yeah, we can't wait so many years before you return. I'm going to. I'm gonna play a song by you. That is my favorite song that you have recorded and Perhaps you could even tell our listeners a little bit something about it before I play it.

Coram Dale. And it's a funny if you love me CD.

Yes, Coram Dale is my attempted happy introduction to the Ten Commandments and It was inspired by R .C. Sproul Ligonier Ministries Magazine they published on the inside page was the Coram Dale. Coram Dale just means Latin for before the face of God.

You mean the the table talk magazine? That's right. And every time I would read that I was so Convicted I picked it because of hearing it in a foreign language sometimes we pay more attention and And and every time the the end of that front page article would would work out to be How do we apply this Coram Dale?

How do I live before the face of God. And so I was honored to speak at a conference and and Ligonier and I wrote that song on the way on the plane on the way there and Wow. Yeah, I know. Isn't that amazing?

That's really kind of the way a lot of my songs come about and in in odd ways like when I'm driving or doing dishes, but I was able to finish that up and Recorded and thought it made a great opening for the Ten Commandments.

That God calls us in the Ten Commandments to live before the face of God and Amen. Hope it'll be hope it'll be a blessing.

Yes, I'm sure it will be for anyone who has discerning taste and Loves to worship our Lord God Savior and King Jesus Christ.

So here's Coram Dale by Judy Rogers from if you love me CD, man. Hallelujah. That was beautiful and.

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Terrific. Mm-hmm. Now the theme of our program today. As I mentioned earlier is contemporary music can still be biblical reuniting the brain with emotion and modern songs for the church. It seems that the church has been at war amongst themselves amongst the members fellow members of the church in fighting for Decades perhaps even actually centuries.

Over music. It's a sad commentary. You have those who want to worship God? By bypassing the brain when they when they worship the many many of the contemporary artists and bands. Their music is something that could send the listener into diabetic shock because it's just filled with syrupy sweet Light fluffy Meaningless lyrics.

And then you have and we have to be honest here if we're going to be fair Those of us who are reformed. Sometimes we worship even singing those grand majestic glorious old hymns. We sometimes sing those hymns as if we believe having any emotion is a sin of some kind and.

And it's it could be like entering into a funeral and many of our worship services not at all. I am NOT broad brushing my own people here, but I just happen to know it's true if we're gonna be honest.

Yeah, and those are two Extremes that should be avoided at all costs. Am I right?

Yes, I agree. I came up with an expression some years back called warm I think that be or you can just say warm Biblically warm because reformed is just being biblical. But we need to be warm reformed we don't need to be cold and one of the reasons I wrote the songs that I did and have Taken on the recording is because I did see so many Songs that appealed mainly to emotion and it's so easy for Christians or you know latch on to that emotional music and get stirred inwardly, but then have nothing To offer back to the Lord for the things that they've heard or sung and yes I think you mentioned to sadly that sometimes those in the reformed community can lose that warmth and The emotion that is given us by God and that's why I tried to Connect somebody told me one time Judy.

You don't just write songs you craft them and that was a huge compliment and but I thought about that and I thought you know, that's really true that at least is my goal and If people could see my first drafts of songs, they would probably Be horrified.

I really work and work on my songs and runs them by my in-house theologian My husband and also my dear sister and brother-in-law and others Before I settle in on a song Because I think it is so important that we don't just stir emotions or that we're not just Theologically, correct.

It needs to be a blend a wedding of of those two things and that that's really what I what I Have attempted to do and all of my years of songwriting.

Going back to our own Reformed family. Don't you think it would be wise for either a song leader or a pastor When we are singing one of the cherished old hymns if it contains Antiquated language or words that your average person even average Christian might not understand don't you think it'd be a good idea for whoever is leading the music to explain and define what those terms are.

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Truly do I love Much of the old and the old way of writing songs, but but I have to say that there are some Occasionally that that definitely needs some explanation and elaboration. But I really think more than that thing.

A minute ago is we see it sing them the mode the the emotion the warmth. You know, the Bible says to sing to each other Palms hands and spiritual thumbs and so often we just stand in the congregation and stare forward and We're just so rote with and God wants it to be living active warm Worship and communicating to each other From the hymn the greatness of our God.

The Biblical Balance of Warmth and Theology in Worship

And I'm going to play another song. This is from the arise shine album. And the song is arise shine. If you could tell our listeners a little bit about that song.

This is one of my favorite stories all my songs have a story behind them. But this is one of my favorites because Wayne had preached one morning. Every time I tell about something I say years ago because it's literally everything one Sunday morning on Isaiah One I always get mixed up if it's 60 or 61 on how the people of God are to arise and shine for our light has come we have all people and I would even say, you know today in the midst of this Pandemic that's going on Need to be showing and so many are praise God the real love the victory that we have through him no matter what our circumstances and.

So I felt so convicted from that sermon, but I felt my my bulletin in my Bible on the way home and When I opened it up Jeremiah 5 and I just looked down at toward the end of Jeremiah 5 and saw a horrible and shocking thing has happened in our land the prophets prophesied their lives and the priests ruled by their own authority and My people love it this way.

But what will they do in the end and I thought oh my this is just like looking at the morning headline. It was so much a description of our country. I wrote this song and the I said I called back into what should I do?

What should I do? I can't leave it in this down Depressing Situation here and she said will you go to 2nd Chronicle 714? My people who are called by my name and so that is do anything that we're going through.

Amen, and this is a rise shine from the CD arise shine Psalms hymns and spiritual songs. I hope that you are as blessed by the song as I have.

The shocking thing has happened. Prophets prophesied See things aside. My people love it. This is risen up and power Fat with my beautiful free for a dime store. She has no conscious. Will she do it? Hallelujah.

That was beautiful.

I don't have as far as I'm aware a drop of Irish blood in me. Although since my ancestors on my father's side were Vikings I'm sure that the arms and DNA is all over Ireland because of the number of times the Vikings raided.

Ireland.

But I love Celtic music and I was wondering if anybody had ever told you before that your music Has a flavor that resembles in some way Celtic music.

Oh, yeah many times and it makes me Ruth English Irish and over here and settle down here. Top with. Definitely in my blood and that's why amen.

Judge Roy Moore, the Ten Commandments, and Righteous Resistance

Now the next song I'm going to play.

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Here I stand. So it's from the CD songs of faith family and freedom. And if you could tell our listeners the very interesting story about this song because it involves judge Roy Moore.

Yes, when when judge Roy Moore was going through his huge trial of being told that he had to remove it he Absolutely refused. As a righteous resistance and I had a friend currently Ray Moore Insisted that I write a song to he said write a song about judge Roy Moore and I said Ray you know the judge.

He's a very humble man. He would not want a song about him. But he wouldn't leave me alone. And so I really prayed earnestly about it and one day it hit me. I Could write a song about the cause and then include the wonderful recording of Judge Moore's voice as he stood out on the step Righteously protest of the Ten Commandments.

So that's what you will hear towards the end of the song. Great. And this song will lead right into our first Commercial break. So the next time you hear me it will be when we return from that very first commercial break.

Which will begin right after here. I stand by Judy Rogers from the CD. Here I stand songs of faith family and.

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Consider God's Design in Creation and the Dangers of Evolution

We are now back with Judy Rogers. Who's our guest today? She is a singer songwriter Christian recording artist and the wife of pastor Wayne Rogers of Dickinson first Presbyterian Church in Haysi, Virginia.

If you have a question. For Judy Rogers on our theme contemporary music can still be biblical. Reuniting the brain with emotion and modern songs for the church. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Please give us your first name. City and state and country of residence. Judy, why don't you tell us something about your new CD? Which is titled consider God's critters.

Usually it's the one I've just produced and I must say that this one is vying for the first place and all the 11 recordings that I've completed. For several reasons. I Was inspired by Ken Ham's wonderful book on creation and Especially dinosaurs.

I have one of the songs on here called dinos and it's based largely on One of the books that he did. I almost completely All my information almost entirely came from that book one of the favorites of the kids.

I even touch on how The dinos on the kids shows aren't real and they can't love you after all. You can apply that Whichever dinosaur you've ever seen on television but my point in writing The songs that I write for children.

First of all is to be biblically and theologically correct but second of all, I like to I like to have a little shop value occasionally and make people perk up. This is one reason that I that I don't always use The simplest of words in my songs, but I want the young children four or five and six to Be taught.

I use some really big words in my song on the ant down under. But I want those in there so they can be explained to the children and they can understand Exactly what's going on? Not don't just dumb them down with entertainment but cause them to rise to another level and to really think so consider God's critters is Again like so many of my songs that I've written I think of them kind of on a very innocent level initially and then I realized the weightiness of what I'm doing and it's very sobering and so in these songs I Try to Write songs that are going to Stir their heart not just their emotion.

I try to really blend fun and entertainment with the the great truth of God's Word and So in my song consider God's critters Just so it doesn't go by the listener if you play it. I have a phrase that says consider the intricate organs and systems of human and animals complex existence.

We came into being by God's wise design Not some random big bang and climb over time To try to speak out against evolution That briefly and succinctly. But this is why I am very very excited for this CD to get out to as many of their young people as Possible so that this might even inform them What to think when they go up to college and and have that professor that tries to make them feel foolish for believing the Bible.

Amen, I'm going to now play the song consider God's critters The name of the CD and this is the new CD from Judy Rogers. And I hope you're blessed. If your kids are not already listening to the program with you bring them in the room if they're around.

And yeah, go grab them. Yeah, go grab them. And here's consider God's critters.

The lamb and the lion foxes and ostrich the bear and leviathan. Coney and grasshopper, too. They all have a lesson to teach me and.

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