Kyle Rittenhouse & The Broken Unbelieving Worldview

Opening Banter, Show Promotion, and Upcoming Content

Non-rockabodas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it. Are you gonna bark all day?

Or are you gonna bite? Delusional is okay in your worldview. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly okay.

It doesn't really hurt. She hung up on me!

What! What! What!

Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage. Go into all the world and make disciples.

Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives. Right. Don't go into the world and make homies.

Right.

Disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle neck.

That's a joke, Master.

When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and his shame. I love this. Hey, check this out. More from Proverbs. This is Proverbs 18. 13. There's more.

Proverbs...

Oh gosh, there's so much here. Okay. Let me do this one. This is one of my favorites. Proverbs 18. 6. A fool's lips walk into a fight and his mouth invites a beating.

That's a great one.

I really like that one a lot. A fool's lips walk into a fight and his mouth invites a beating. It's just... It's perfect. It's perfect.

That's good.

Things we should say to our kids more.

Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Here's another one just relevant for today's content. What we're going to be talking about today with Kyle Rittenhouse and just justice in general in the culture around us. The first one, Proverbs 18. 13.

If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and shame. But then there's more. And... Ooh, look at this one here. I love this one. He who finds a wife finds a good thing. Yep. There you go.

But Proverbs... That was 18. 13. Proverbs 18. 17 says, The one who states his case first seems right until the other comes and examines him. So there is wisdom from the Word of God. I am Jeff. They call me the Ninja.

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Yes, sir.

Yep. Tuesday 1 p .m. Arizona time. And we call it Arizona time because we don't even care what you guys are all doing with your time. Ours just stays the same all year long.

We do what we want.

We're like the Lord. We do not change.

You know what's amazing? This is great. I think it's a blessing. Is that forever, when you're living in Arizona, you're trying to always constantly figure out, wait, what time are they on now? You're trying to figure out, what time is this and that?

Mountain Pacific. We're going between Mountain Pacific all the time. You're doing it like, where's Arizona now? Are they Mountain or Pacific? But for us, it's just Arizona time. And now it's an official category, Arizona time.

So when we upload stuff on YouTube or Facebook, it doesn't ask me if it's Mountain or Pacific. It just says Arizona time. And I'm like, yes, that's the real time.

There's also just a little tip for if you're ever confused about Arizona time. Don't ask an Arizona person because they live here. They're free from that. Don't put that on us. But do a little thing where you ask Siri or Google or whoever your little person is, Alexa maybe.

Georgia says Wexa.

I'm just picturing someone walking around with a little person. This is who I asked for time.

You can just say, what time is it in X state? And Google will tell you.

That's all I do. I don't ask about Mountain Pacific.

But don't ask an Arizonan because a part of living here is that we don't.

We're free. A, we don't know and B, we don't care.

And what we will do is we'll just ask Google or Alexa.

That's it. We'll ask Wexa. That's how we'll do it. Just for fun, I just wanted to show you, because I think he's the most precious thing in the world. This is Augustine picking up a rock in my backyard, or my front yard.

Check it out.

What is the rock? What's the rock?

What? Is it heavy?

Yeah, heavy.

That's him giving all the proper physical and emotional response to something heavy. That's just for fun. Welcome everybody to Apologia Radio. It's an important week. We have a lot of stuff going on in the world right now.

We're going to dig into the Kyle Rittenhouse stuff we're going to talk about. We're going to actually engage in some stuff that's going to blow your minds. Definitely want to talk about something that happened in, was this in Texas?

This wasn't in Texas.

This was South Carolina?

No, it was Texas because the guy who comes up to ask is from Houston. Because it happened in several places. Right now the Southern Baptist Convention in different states are actually wonderful. Brothers and Sisters in Christ are getting language adopted into what they're doing moving forward.

That is to criminalize or to abolish abortion. And so it's happening across the country right now, different states, but we're going to play one of a Houston pastor, Nathan is it Lino or Lino? I don't know.

I'm sorry. I apologize. He comes up to argue to reject the SBTC resolution on abolishing abortion on a couple different grounds. I want to engage with that because he, men like him are actually the problem and they're not helping either with the gospel and the culture in the area of abortion the way that they ought to.

And it's their very, very poor reasoning and emotionally laden argumentation that is actually continuing the cause of injustice against the pre-born. And I'm saying that as directly as I am because this man is a pastor who is speaking from behind a pulpit to the people of God.

He needs to be confronted when he has an egregious error in this way. So I'm going to talk about that a bit. And we're going to talk about, of course, the man who admitted on the stand that he pointed the gun at Kyle Rittenhouse.

And so we're going to get into all that today, but I wanted to announce to everybody that we put together something very special for you guys. We've been working on it now for about two weeks, I believe.

Sort of a last minute thing, but it's been done really well. We are doing a Christmas devotional 25 days, one a day all the way to Christmas. 25 days of a Christmas devotional, Advent devotional and it looks wonderful.

Very excited about you guys seeing this. We're thinking of some very creative ways you can use this with your family. So it's something that you'll be able to go to Apologia Studios, wherever we're placing it, whether it's on YouTube or website or whatever, you'll be able to go to it once a day get the new content and just sit with your family and do like a five to ten minute long little devotional on the Advent of Christ.

And we're very excited about it. So that's coming soon. Just put that in your ear so you guys are waiting for that. Luke, you wanted to bring something up.

Mormon Temple Tour and the Reality of Mormon Theology

Before we get started here. Yeah, so I was able to go, a bunch of us went this week on a Gentile tour of the Mormon Temple in Mason. That's what they call it, yeah. They opened up to the Gentiles for like a month and then they redo the carpet and stuff like that after you desecrated it.

Soiled it. Soiled it, yeah. I did have to wear little booty things on my feet you know, so I didn't ruin everything with my Gentile feet.

This has been happening since before COVID. This is a standard thing.

So tell us about inside. You went inside. I went to the Snowflake Temple when they opened that one in Arizona. And it was definitely very eerie. But what did they let you actually view?

Good question. I was gonna say I was Luke the Gentile giant.

But sorry.

It was interesting. We saw pretty much everything except the room with the veil and stuff. They don't let you in that one.

They keep you out. Yeah, that's off limits.

So a couple things that stood out to me. One, I'm pretty confident when you first walk in they put a new picture of Jesus up. It's not like white muscle bound Jesus. He's like Native American Jesus with like two little Native American girls.

I was like, oh that's interesting.

Okay.

But then the rest of the Jesus pictures everywhere were all super white Jesus. I'm pretty sure that's a new addition. So there was that. When you went, was it a silent tour?

This was the weirdest. I don't remember.

They're like, so they're like prepping us and they're like, so this is a silent tour? So you can hold your questions to the end. There'll be no talking. So like literally everywhere you walk there's just someone.

Going. Well I feel like that's what, when you went to the one in Snowflake. It's been so long. I feel like a part of what you said that was weird about it was that it was super quiet.

Yeah, I think you might be right.

For so many people being together it was like no sound. Yeah, I think you're right.

It's been so long. It's just eerie.

20 years I think. No questions till you get to the end. And then when you get outside at the end then there's like stations with pre-posed questions.

Oh, okay.

Anyway, so it was very honest. I was actually I was very surprised at how honest the tour was.

In terms of the theology? Yes.

So they take you, I mean you went all the different, they have like a gazillion instruction rooms. But like it was weird. But there was one room we went into, I forget which one it was but I mean they straight up said like, it was the prep for baptism and they're like, this is where you come in, where you're instructed before you be baptized and they straight up said we believe that you must be baptized to enter the kingdom of God.

And I was like.

Thank you.

I appreciate that. And then we went into the baptismal, which was pretty cool. I mean it's.

With all the oxen holding up the thing.

So yeah, we saw all that and then there was a room where you where they talked about getting baptized from the dead and stuff. And it actually said something like where you go to receive the Holy Spirit through baptism on behalf of those who didn't have the opportunity or something like that.

So they, I mean they were honest there. And they said Holy Spirit instead of Holy Ghost. That's a change. But they actually were honest that they think you receive the Holy Spirit when you're baptized.

So I was, it was very honest. I mean other than that it was just creepy and weird.

I remember that distinctly. Exactly that. Very, very weird.

An enormous building project that's been going on for. I live down the street. It's been a long long time. And I mean just I'm sure no expense.

Spared. Oh no, I mean.

I know, I mean I can see, I've seen their like their landscaping project and that's.

I mean. It's insane the amount of money they put in this. And then the very last thing before you exit, this lady so there was like we had 11 of us, but there was another group in this room. And she was like so hopefully you felt you know it was all about emotions and she's like, she was like so what, if you all could think of one word to describe how you felt, what would that be?

And I was like.

Uncomfortable?

Burning? I didn't say it but I was like I can, I should be quiet on this one. I shouldn't.

Say anything. Two words, everlasting fire. Exactly. I can't do it in one. No, no, I got one, kahena. Yeah.

But anyways, it was, I mean I'm glad I got to do it because I wanted to do that because I wanted to do it at the Gilbert Temple and just wasn't able to make it work so. Yeah. I was glad we took our kids so they got to experience it.

I'm thankful that our kids so was, you know I had mine and Henry was with us and thankfully none of them blurted out anything because I was very fearful that one of them would be like.

Come on man! Or something like.

But they were probably. Well it sounds like they they're not new. They're not new to the Mormon outreach.

Yeah. Being respectful. It was interesting. I'm glad.

I got to do it. It is a good experience to have, yeah. Very sad. Definitely very sad for sure and hopefully sparks some excitement in our people to continue to do more evangelism to our Mormon friends and family and.

Neighbors. Which by the way, no Christmas lights this year. Aww. But they are doing Easter pageants. Well good. So they're.

Going to basically resume. Good. After that. Okay. Well, I'm excited.

About that. It's been a long time.

Without. My life has been lacking since no Easter.

Pageant, no Christmas lights. Way to see where they, it's, I mean it's you know it was like all kind of leveled and kind of like like sloped down a little bit. Like it's like, like 15 feet down. Really?

They took out that much.

Earth. Wow.

Where all that says. Earth. It was crazy. Wow. If you guys.

Wonder what we're talking about, we, a lot of the videos you've seen on Apologia Studios where we're talking to Mormons and Mormon missionaries has taken place outside the Mormon Temple in Mesa, Arizona.

That's the temple that Luke is referring to that he went to go visit and get to see inside after they did the renovations and so we're very excited to have more things happening at the Mormon Temple so we can go engage with the Mormon community and hopefully bless you guys with some, with some eyes on what happens out there through the content we're able to film out there.

So let's get started everybody. You guys ready to go? Alright. So let's start with, I can't wait for you guys to hear this stuff related to the issue of abortion. I really can't wait for you to hear it.

You need to stick around if you have to take off come back later and watch this video. You've got to hear this stuff on the issue of abortion that went before some legislators this past week. It is truly revealing.

You need to see it and hopefully it encourages you to say we can do this. Let's get into the fight. These people have nothing. So we're going to put that on the tail end but let's start with the discussion of Kyle Rittenhouse.

So here's the situation. When I first think about what's going on I posted today just a link from the Daily Wire of their live streaming of the actual court, the trial that's taking place and somebody posted immediately after I I just shared it.

Okay, here's a live stream. Share it so everyone can see it and also I want to be able to go back myself and watch it later. And so I shared it and somebody put immediately under they said something like, how exactly is this edifying?

Because I shared the trial, live stream of the trial. How is this edifying for Christians? I thought to myself, I didn't want to be abusive to the man. I thought to myself, well if you don't think this is edifying talking about these things you should stay away from Deuteronomy, Exodus and Leviticus because that's like all that's about.

Like it's talking about justice and court and righteousness and false witnesses and what do you do and cross-examination, all that stuff. It should be edifying for Christians to be concerned with justice.

I'm not saying that every trial you watch is going to be edifying, but in terms of a conversation, it can be very edifying to talk about justice and how it should actually play out in the courts and you being able to examine these things because I just want to say at the front, when you look at the situation happening right now with Kyle Rittenhouse, we're accustomed as Americans to look at a situation like this and say, okay, charges are filed, this is a court case, you've got a judge, you've got a jury of peers and you've got a defense and you've got an offense.

You've got the prosecutor and the defense you have advocates for the state advocates supposedly for the victims and you've got advocates over here for the person who's supposed to be seen as innocent until proven guilty and you've got an advocate.

So I wanted to say like we're just accustomed to it because we're raised in the West that has been a beneficiary of all that took place in history of Christians actually speaking the word of God into this context.

So even the situation of having like an advocate being presumed innocent until proven guilty and having cross-examination and witnesses brought forth, all of that is a gift to the world from the Bible, from the Christian worldview, okay?

So if you love that stuff, if you love witnesses being demanded, if you love logic and reasoning, if you love the whole thing of cross-examination, if you love all of that, you've got to say praise God for Moses, okay?

You really do. You have to say praise God for Moses because we just are so ignorant of this today. Many of us raised in the public education system, the government education system, we don't understand oftentimes how in history and present day, today, you don't have that standard of justice, those standards of justice, just as the norm, right?

You don't. I mean you can look at, goodness gracious, things that are happening today like, I often use it because I think it's the most dramatic effect, you know, someone steals a loaf of bread and you get your hand cut off.

Is that justice? That would never fly in God's law. It's about repayment, making the person whole again. You had issues that the Christians were dealing with in England specifically where they were at times, you could have guards or police officers just break into your house, go through your stuff, you didn't even know what you're being accused of, and they didn't have to have really any evidence, it could just be based upon suspicion or someone just made a claim, and they just start going through your stuff, or they haul you into court and the entire court proceeding is actually given in a different language and you're being asked even to swear an oath against yourself and to speak in defense of yourself.

Christians were viewing this situation and when the Bible got put into the commoner's language, the common person's language, these Christians are now reading the Bible and they're reading the first five books, didn't take them long, and they're going, hmm, cross-examination, you have to have witnesses, you have to have multiple witnesses, you have to have multiple lines of independent testimony, all this stuff, goodness gracious, if a witness lies in court, they're supposed to get the punishment that would have been given to the accused, and so now Christians are starting to influence via the Word of God the law of their land that was taking place in their land, and so transformation and reformation was taking place.

We just take it as just that's just the way things are, right? We have cross-examination, you've got lawyers, you've got judges, you've got the necessity of witnesses, but the thing that I read at the beginning of the show today I think is important, beyond the case law examples in the Old Testament where God actually specifically tells them how to execute justice, He condemns false witnesses, don't go with the crowd, the mob, you must have equal weights and measures, all that stuff, you've got to have like two to three independent lines of witness, all that, besides all of that, you also have wisdom throughout the Scriptures, but specifically in Proverbs 18, I read you 13 and I read you 17.

13 says, if one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and shame. And the other one says, the one who states his case first seems right until the other one comes and examines him. So what should that do to the normal person who loves the Word of God and wants to be submitted to Christ and cares about justice and righteousness in the world around them, and loves their neighbor?

It should make you pause, always. So basically what it's telling you is like, look, we're in a fallen world, you're going to have tussles, you're going to have conflict, you're going to have murder, death, theft, all that stuff, and so the first thing you're supposed to do is shut up and hear it, right?

So you don't just flip off right away and just go with your presuppositions and assumptions about someone's guilt and start flying off into it and saying, guilty, guilty, guilty. You're supposed to hear the thing first.

You're supposed to hear the matter first before you come to a decision on it. You want to have all the details. You're going to figure this out. Why? Because God's people are supposed to be concerned with truth.

But there's also this amazing one here that says the one who states his case first seems right until another one comes to examine him. There's cross-examination right there, and that also gives the child of God, it gives the godly woman, the godly man the foundation to say, look, this person sounds very convincing, but there's probably another side to this.

Everyone wants to tell their story and give it their own spin. God is telling you you wait until you can get the other side before you determine the matter. And by the way, this specifically, the Proverbs is wisdom, obviously, for all of us across life.

But some of this is actually directed just directly to the king. It's those who are supposed to exercise judgment in the land. And so this is just telling somebody who's in that kind of position you need to hear both sides, which is why we have a court system today where you've got advocates for both sides, you've got witnesses coming on the stand, you've got rules and standards of evidence to bring stuff in, all that from Christianity.

So at the jump, let's just say glory to God, praise God for Moses, and praise God for the Word of God that gives us the opportunity to have a court system like what's happening with Carver and House. However, I gotta say, I gotta say, this is wild.

Look at what the world does. Look at the spin. Look at this. Look at that. Look at my screen right here. Check this out. I pulled up this YouTube. The front page of YouTube. And this comes up. It's the Watch Live from Law and Crime channel.

41 ,000 watching it live now. Look how they've actually done this. Check this out. Look at that. Now, let me ask you, do you think that the person who put this live stream up has a perspective?

Possibly.

Maybe something they're trying to convince you of? It's not Kyle Rittenhouse's trial. Not Kyle, the 18-year-old young man. It's not Kyle Rittenhouse's trial. It is the Kenosha shooter trial. The Kenosha shooter trial.

It's like... And it's accompanied by a mugshot which implies that he's.

Guilty. That's my second point. Exactly. You couldn't find another picture, a normal picture of Kyle Rittenhouse? Because here's the deal. This is my point. God's law demands that you are innocent until proven guilty.

The whole way through that court trial, you have to say, innocent, innocent, innocent, innocent. If you have a group of jurors, the thing that's going to be constantly said to the jurors of the trial, innocent.

He is an innocent man, innocent man, innocent man, until they have given adequate evidence, independent, multiple lines of proof that he's actually guilty. You will see him as an innocent man. I do not believe that Law and Crime Network is seeing Kyle Rittenhouse, in the midst of his trial, as an innocent man.

Why? Because they gave him a serial killer name. Right? Right. Like, you have serial killers, murderers, what do you call them? You call them the Columbine Shooters. You call them the Green River Killer.

And you call, in this case, someone trying to vilify, obviously, the Kenosha Shooter. And they use his mugshot, like you said. I could find, in an instant, 100 pictures of Kyle Rittenhouse in his normal clothes, not being seen as a criminal.

So this is an example of a violation of this law. What? If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and shame. Shame on you. Shame on you for calling him the Kenosha Shooter. Look, here's the deal.

I'm saying that in terms of, that's the standard. You can't vilify someone and make the world think that they're actually guilty before the thing is played out. You can't give them a serial killer name, like the Kenosha Shooter.

Well, and it's one thing to have to put your own personal commentary on YouTube. And then another thing to livestream the footage of his mugshot. So it's a little different than them just giving their.

Opinion. I wish they could have named him the Kenosha Kicker.

Well, he didn't kick anyone. So, missed opportunity.

I was hoping you guys would catch that one.

That's from...

I'm missing it. Home Alone?

Oh, yes! I was going to say, it's John Candy.

Oh, the Kickers!

I was like, I know John Candy says it.

Shut up. Are they serious?

Oh, wow. No, when you said it, I was like, I hear those words coming out of John Candy's mouth. But I was like,.

What movie? I haven't watched that in a long, long time. Home Alone. Of course. So, at the start, when you talk about the Kyle Rittenhouse situation, it's important as Christians, if we're going to have any light in the midst of darkness and the assaults of the culture, I think we need to lay down these foundations to say God's word has standards as to the court and how it's supposed to operate and how we're supposed to actually operate in community with one another when somebody's actually accused.

The answer is always God's law is innocent, innocent, innocent, until there is adequate proof and evidence that someone's actually guilty. And from the beginning of the Bible, literally throughout the New Testament, you still have that standard of two to three witnesses before a person you know it from Paul, where he talks to Timothy, where he says receive no accusation against an elder unless it's on the basis of two to three witnesses.

All he's doing is applying the law of God from the court into the situation with elders. Don't receive an accusation unless there's two to three independent lines of witness and evidence. In other words, see the person as innocent until there's evidence otherwise, to the contrary.

And so, we live in a situation today where all the media has to do is just tell you the story. We see this person as guilty. We're going to call them the Kenosha shooter, sort of a thing. And you're being asked today to simply believe somebody because they make an accusation.

Just because they made an accusation, believe it. We've got, of course, recent examples, fairly recent in our own history in the last six years, where you've got examples of, say, women accusing men of raping them and with no evidence necessary, but as soon as the charge is made, this person's a rapist, everyone's just supposed to believe it.

That dude's life is over.

You're just automatically guilty.

And the news cycle moves so quickly now. Sometimes it's just a matter of a refresh on your internet browser that sometimes someone is falsely accused and by the time it actually comes to them being vindicated of that false accusation, no one even cares about the case anymore.

So, in everyone's mind, it's kind of over and that person's always known as that one guy that, yeah.

By the way, this is so great. It's so providential because I'm back in Matthew this coming Sunday in church and I'm actually going to be talking about the trial where they tried to bring Jesus before Caiaphas.

He goes to Annas first, the father-in-law of Caiaphas, and then they go to Caiaphas and then they go to Pilate, right? But with Caiaphas, Caiaphas is the high priest. He's supposed to be the one who's in charge and all the buck stops with him sort of a thing, but they're so corrupt at that day and they're so envious of Jesus that they're pulling together false witnesses to testify against him in court.

Now, what's amazing here is that when Jesus first has these people come to him, he has temple police coming to him with clubs and he's got Roman guards police coming to him with swords. The temple guards weren't allowed to have swords so they had clubs to beat people down with, but the Romans were concerned with executing against crimes.

So the temple really could only prosecute things that were like religious crimes, like Rome only let them have religious crimes like blasphemy, you know, temple stuff, Jewish stuff. But if you were guilty of a crime like murder, rape, theft, something like that, that's where Rome is involved.

The strange situation going on with Jesus is when you have like a thousand people coming and pulling up on Jesus and the disciples of the garden, you've got Roman police and you've got temple police. This doesn't make any sense.

Why are they together? No one even knows what the real charge is. So they first bring Jesus to Annas and then to Caiaphas and they're pulling together false witnesses and all the rest and then they bring him to Pilate, but what's weird is he hadn't committed any crime.

Why is Pilate seeing him? Where's the theft? Where's the murder? Where's the violation of another person? What's this doing before Pilate is the big question that everyone has to ask. It's totally nefarious, totally corrupt to begin with, but I wanted to point out something that in John chapter 8, everyone knows, by the way, that Jesus like Isaiah 53 says that, you know, he doesn't open his mouth like a lamb led to the slaughter.

Everyone knows that during the trials of Jesus, you've got all these accusations coming and Jesus isn't playing into it. Like he's not willing to play their game and self-incriminate because he knows according to God's law, it's innocent until proven guilty.

Where are your witnesses is the question. That's the question to ask. Where's your witnesses? If I'm guilty, where's your witnesses, right? And they can't figure it out because all they're doing is they're pulling false witnesses whose stories won't come together and then at one point in Caiaphas' trial, Caiaphas wants Jesus to help him.

Like, you know, he wants Jesus to participate a little bit. Like, give me something to work with Jesus and Jesus doesn't have to answer anything because he's the innocent one. Innocent person doesn't have to self-incriminate.