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The Claim That There Are No Apostles Today

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You've been deceived. There are no Apostles today and So today on our episode to kind of highlight what's going on here. We're heading down to Israel and to a ministry that calls itself revive Israel.

Which is deeply embedded within what's called the New Apostolic Reformation. Now it's not as the so-called New Apostolic Reformation. It literally is a legitimate thing and We're gonna listen as Cody Archer interviews Asher and Tratter as well as Ron Carter.

I think yeah, that's Ron Cantor. Ron Cantor as they discuss the big error in Apostolic and prophetic ministry that apparently they think they need to correct but the big error that needs to be correct regarding apostolic and prophetic ministry today is The belief that we have living Apostles today.

We'll talk about the biblical texts that that address this and For those of you who listen to the podcast of fighting for the faith that this will seem a little bit Redundant as far as the biblical texts are concerned, but absolutely necessary In establishing what scriptures does teach regarding Apostles and prophets that they literally are the foundation of the church that the church is built on we are there are no ongoing Apostles and prophets today.

They've done their work and are continuing to do their work through the written Word of God, but let's listen in as as as Cody here described or you know interviews these fellows regarding the big error that apparently exists regarding Apostolic and prophetic ministry today.

Here we go. We're gonna talk about a bit of a touchy Sensitive subject today. We're gonna talk about apostolic and prophetic ministry. And I know that for every one of you watching today that might hit you in a different way.

But we're gonna dig a little bit deeper and potentially go into some type of series over the coming months I'm trying to see what is the scriptures really say about this subject and now a little bit of a note here.

In the Patricia King video that we recently published, you know went over the fact that historically within the NAR Ten years ago. They were talking about the future restoration of Apostles and now a lot of time has passed and now people in the NAR saying oh Well, the Bible teaches in Ephesians 4 that we've always had Apostles that's not what Ephesians 4 teaches and the and people in the NAR Who are claiming that they're just mere five folders that they believe in ongoing Apostolic ministry ten years ago.

Everybody in the NAR was talking about the Restoration of Apostles we've documented this in several different videos. Patricia King's video that we published just this week is also, you know One of those places where we document this but a little bit of a note here.

That will go into Ephesians chapter 2 and note what what is written Ephesians 2 18 through him. We have both access in one spirit to the father. So you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the Saints and members of the household of God built on the watch this foundation of Apostles and prophets Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone the foundation.

That's right. The Apostles and prophets are the foundation on which the church is built which means literally you don't relay a Foundation and you don't put a new foundation up every floor. No. The foundation is the thing that everything is built on now in the historic creeds the ecumenical creeds like the Nicene Creed Apostles Creed it confesses that that we believe in one.

Holy Catholic now that the Catholic is a small see universal and Apostolic Church an Apostolic Church literally is a church that teaches this the Apostolic Doctrine the same doctrines the same gospel same Christ as the Apostles taught so in Ephesians 2.

It literally says that the church is built on the foundation of the Apostles and prophets and so by the time you get to Ephesians chapter 4 when it talks about how that God gave Apostles and prophets and evangelists and shepherds and teachers to equip the Saints for the work of ministry for the building up the body of Christ it's important to us for us to recognize this that Elijah is is you know?

Isaiah Malachi the the the prophets of old are still doing their work through the written Word of God. So are Matthew and John and Peter they are still equipping people today through the written Word of God.

And so you'll note then one of the things that's missing in Scripture is any kind of a list for the qualifications for? Ongoing profits, you know when you look at like the pastoral epistles. It tells you what the qualifications are for a pastor and you know husband of one wife.

Above reproach able to give instruction and sound doctrine rebuke those who contradict it. That's from Titus chapter 1 and you can take a look at 1st Timothy chapter 3 for a similar list. But you'll note that there is no list for who's qualified to be an Apostle nor is there At least an ongoing list of who's qualified.

There is an initial list. You have to be an eyewitness of the resurrection and Been part of the you know, the team, you know. You know Jesus's disciple team from the time he was baptized things like that.

You can find that in Acts 1 The Apostle Paul would be an exception to the rule. He is an eyewitness to the resurrection of Christ and Christ particularly called him to be an Apostle. But you know this idea that there are ongoing Apostles today ten years ago people in the NAR were talking about the Restoration of Apostles and now they've changed their narrative and they're claiming that oh, well, you know Ephesians 4 11 is teaching that we have to have them ongoing now.

Yeah, John is still teaching us today. Paul is still teaching us today so is Peter. So is Matthew it's weird, you know. So the so he gave us Apostles and prophets and evangelists and shepherds to equip the Saints you and I are still being equipped By the prophets and by the Apostles through the written Word of God.

So they are the foundation of the church the what the church is built on that foundation. So anybody who's talking about, you know saying well, I'm a five-fold er, you know, I believe in ongoing Apostles.

Well ten years ago. Nobody was talking about that. Everyone was talking about the restoration of them and that's historically factually verifiable improvable, but here we are in Israel and we're seeing these guys recognizing that this is a Delicate topic and in there's been abuses that apparently have arisen shock of shock shocks there from people who claim the title of Apostle and Prophet and so watch what they think is the solution to this problem where there's areas of improvement.

What's wrong? What's right? What's the right attitude to even approach this subject? So let's jump in today guys ash. I want to start with you. What is the right heart approach even to this topic of apostolic and prophetic ministry?

Humility as the Supposed Solution to Apostolic and Prophetic Abuse

What's the right heart approach? You need to repent is what you need to do. That's your right heart approach because there are no Apostles today.

There's a key word and the key word is humility. The main problem that I see with people in Apostolic and prophetic type ministry and Apostles and prophets and prophecy and all the anointing is that it it creates pride and Pride gives a a wrong Atmosphere it gives a wrong Spirit to what's going on?

And when I look at to all the problems that hmm.

Don't you think if this was truly from the Holy Spirit that pride would be the last thing that would? Burble up from within people who've been risks, you know. In the modern-day restoration of Apostles we have.

It's mostly because of this that a lack of humility. So what we really wanted to to sort of Purify the prophetic or to bring a tikkun a a a change a Repairing of the apostolic is to start with this thing of being of being humble and looking at it is okay.

It's it's it's a ministry. It's a it's a it's a function that you fulfill. It's nothing. It's nothing done and you and you start with.

Hebrews 3 1 which says, you know, I just have to ask the question if there are modern-day Apostles. Where in the Bible do we learn what function modern-day Apostles would fulfill? There is no list of their duties ongoing.

Nor there are a list of qualifications for people to be placed into that office. Ongoing, how can it be a function in the church if there's no list of you know Actual duties of that office that there to be fulfilling on an ongoing basis.

Sure is the chief apostle of our faith and let's just remember this. This is not about any of us. Nobody is great in the kingdom. It's only Yeshua the rest of us were have been sinners. Sound so humble.

But this is still a humble brag and Doesn't take into consideration the very correct understanding that Apostles and Prophets are the foundation of the church not part of the superstructure itself and that there have not been Apostles and prophets on the earth.

For Literally almost 2 ,000 years that were saved by his blood and if he by his grace happens to give us something to do then That's Okay, that's by his grace. Digby. So the whole thing is to start. I like also something that says that When about prophecy for instance is that right now we prophesy in part which mean nobody's got it all up and so that whole sort of posture of and God told me and That's all wrong.

You're on the wrong foot to start with because you're only seeing it in part.

So notice that Asher and Trattor here is literally arguing for fallible.

Prophets. You could say well, this is this is how this is what I'm seeing. It's what I'm perceiving. It's what the Holy Spirit's saying to me. Or this is the strategy.

So the main thing, you know, I've heard Michael Brown say those almost exact words.

Hmm is to start I think is to get on the right foot. The left foot is if you think you're something special, but the correct foot the right foot is. Let's all start with a place of humility. That's the big thing a humble approach to.

I mean it sounds so pious.

But it's not pious at all. It's the whole premise is totally faulty.

The Five-Fold Ministry and the Claim of Ongoing Apostles

Five-fold ministry, of course, not just Apostles and prophets, but also Evangelists pastors and teachers. Anything that we're doing for the Lord you the it's it's you have to have the ground level of humility.

Which gets us on the right foot. Yeah, that's good.

Now I know over those last year, especially the subject has come under a lot of attack. Asher you personally have Come under a lot of heavy intense attack and people saying things about you you as well.

Ron. Ron what would you say is like? What are the why is this topic so controversial or such a hot-button thing for people? Because there have not been Apostles on the planet since the death of the Apostle John.

There are no Apostles in the time of the the Church Fathers. There's no Apostles in the time of the Reformation in the Middle Ages and It's only in the last 10 years that people in the NAR have claimed that God has restored them and then changed the narrative.

To say oh, no. No, we've always had them. They just didn't know that they were Changed their story.

Asher really hit it. It's the lack of Humility that is associated with the titles Apostle prophet I get Facebook Friend requests from the Apostles such-and-such the prophets such-and-such. And there's so much pride Connected to these titles and and I now watch his solution here.

He is literally going to basically say.

Yes, you are Apostles, but just don't use that title. We hate that. I reject that. We don't want the title. We want the function.

We want the gift. Yeah, I've heard Michael Brown use these exact words as well. Mm-hmm. This is by the way if a difference that makes no difference is no difference at all. If I think I'm an apostle and I am now going to you know Basically operate in the authority of an apostle even if I use a different name I'm still acting like an apostle.

Or if I don't use the title. I'm still acting like an apostle and. This kind of begs the question if God's the one who's restored these apostles. And you you believe that the five-fold ministry is going to continue on you we're gonna have Apostles and prophets until Jesus returns.

Why would you encourage them to use? To use a different name or to not use the title of the office that they claim that they're operating in and.

What's really interesting is that? Yeshua's greatest challenge as a leadership trainer. He was the greatest Leadership trainer in the world and he had 12 guys and he lost one of them. But just a few days before he's gonna be crucified The mother of James and John comes to Yeshua kind of takes him aside a little bit and says hey listen in your kingdom could.

Would you mind if you I mean they're from Galilee you've grown up. You've known these guys a long time. John and James let them sit on your right and left hand then the other Apostles here, but I think what.

No that not they weren't offended by her Pride or the proud requests. They were like that belongs to me. So then you get closer to the crucifixion and if I'm Yeshua, I'm getting really frustrated at this point now.

He is the God man. So he he knew those were the right guys, but as we get closer to the resurrection We see John 13. He they they and I I'm seeing something that I never saw before always thought Cody that Yeshua washed their feet as they entered in the upper room or the The house that led to the upper room The the tradition would be that there would be a servant there to wash your feet.

They'd be dirty. You're wearing sandals. It's dusty and that's where Yeshua told the servant. Hey, you take a break. I'm gonna do this. It actually says if you look at verse 2 and verse 4 that he got up from the table During the meal.

Now that tells me that they already had their feet clean and yet Yeshua is saying that these guys still don't understand.

That in my kingdom to be great is now note that by telling the story that he's telling He literally is telling everybody out there who claims to be an apostle. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're on the same length.

You're on the same, you know strata as John and James and Peter. You're you're you're one of the same types of guys as they are. But you're gonna need to learn some humility like they had to learn some humility.

So note here the assumptions of what he's saying and how this he's telling the story is. He's literally telling modern-day apostles and prophets. Oh, yeah, you are on the same same level. And that would be a big a apostle by the way.

Not a small a. You're on the same level as James and Peter and John and the boys.

To be the least if you want to be an apostle That means you're the you're the greatest servant of them all not a guy with a business card that says Apostles such and such and such. So he washes her feet.

They're stunned. They don't understand it. Why are you doing this? And he explains I am your teacher. And I'm doing this as an example to you because I need you to get this. I need you to understand that you're about to lead this Massive movement that's going to change the world and you're still fighting over who's gonna have a bigger title.

And. No, actually they were fighting about not titles positions themselves.

If we put Luke 22 and John 13 together, it appears they start the Passover meal. He does this great act of humility and then he sits down again and he institutes communion the Lord's Supper. He takes the matzah and the wine.

He breaks the bread said this is my body. This is my blood shed for you To be there. What a privilege right? Can you imagine looking back now? And these these would-be Apostles had no clue what they like you were saying early.

It says they didn't understand what was going on. He is instituting the Lord's Supper and and it says two verses later a Dispute among them broke out over who was the greatest? Now if I'm Yeshua, I am just I'm walking out.

I'm done. I'm gonna take three.

Yeah, so I mean, yeah, you you you really are an apostle just like Peter and James and John. You just need to learn humility like the same way they had to learn it. Yeah. No, actually the problem here is That there are no Apostles on earth today none.

The the Apostles that Jesus sent are still doing their work in equipping us and they equip us to the written Word of God. The whole assumption that these fellows are operating from Literally is deceptive.

They and they are the creators of false Apostles false prophets and false anointed ones. I Hate to say it, but I'll be blunt that institutions like revive Israel They are the ones creating the false messiahs of the last time.

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