September 23, 2019 Show with Rhyan Glezman on “The False Christianity of Pete Buttigieg: The Charade of Claiming Christ As Your Own While Celebrating Things Christ Hates”

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Carlisle, Pennsylvania, it's Iron Sharpens Iron. This is a radio platform in which pastors,

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Christian scholars, and theologians address the burning issues facing the church and the world today.

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Proverbs chapter 27 verse 17 tells us iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another.

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Matthew Henry said that in this passage we are cautioned to take heed with whom we converse and directed to have in view in conversation to make one another wiser and better.

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Chris Arnzen. Good afternoon

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Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth.

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We're listening via live streaming at IronSharpensIronRadio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio wishing you all a happy Monday on this 23rd day of September 2019 and I'm thrilled to have for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Ryan Glesman who is brother of Pete Buttigieg's so -called husband and senior pastor of Community Church of God in Cleo, Michigan.

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Today we are going to be addressing the false Christianity of Pete Buttigieg, the charade of claiming

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Christ as your own while celebrating things Christ hates and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Pastor Ryan Glesman.

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Yes Chris thank you so much it's my honor and privilege to be here with you this evening to talk. So thank you so much for having me on.

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Hey my pleasure and am I pronouncing your last name correctly? It's Glesman yes you said it correctly.

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Great. Well before we go into your own personal testimony of salvation which is our tradition here whenever we have a first -time guest why don't you let our listeners know something more about the

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Community Church of God in Cleo, Michigan. Yeah our congregation is actually

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I kind of chuckle when I get these questions I've been doing something different when people ask about our church and they say you know because in today's culture we get you know kind of these questions of like tell me about your church and what

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I tell them is we have over two billion people part of our church and you know my heart behind that Chris so you can laugh with me but what

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I mean by that is the church are God's people. But yes our local body of believers here in Cleo, Michigan we're part of the

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Church of God of Anderson, Indiana Bible believing church no weird Kool -Aid we just we preach from the

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Bible we're a community church we love God love people and that's really in a nutshell we are we're part of two billion you know

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I know that not all people who claim Christian are Christians as we'll probably get into our conversation but we're just there's brothers and sisters all over it doesn't matter what building you attend the church are the people that's what we are here at Community Church of God.

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Amen and if anybody wants more details hopefully I'll remember to repeat this later but the website for the

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Church of God in the Community Church of God in Cleo, Michigan is

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CleoCommunity .org and that's spelled C -L -I -O Community .org

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and as I said hopefully I'll remember to repeat that again especially towards the end of the program.

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Well as I said since you are a first -time guest on Iron Trip and Zion Radio we have a tradition when we have a first -time guest that is if that first -time guest is a

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Christian because once in a blue moon we have non -Christians on for one particular reason or another they have something important to say that even

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Christians need to hear even if they are not themselves Christian but the vast majority of times we interview

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Bible -believing born again Christians so tell us a summary of your salvation testimony what kind of religious atmosphere if any you were raised in and what providential circumstances is our

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Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you? You know I thank you for asking that question

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I love sharing my testimony I'm glad you said summary because I could go into great length on it I was radically transformed by the power of God but I grew up attending the

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Catholic Church Easter and Christmas was kind of the way we grew up we attended a

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Catholic Church we went to church on Easter and Christmas that was just what we did and to be honest

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Chris I really doubted if God even existed growing up I rebelled greatly against him

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I very quickly as I got into my later years in my junior year in my senior year in high school

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I just really rebelled hard against him I was very much caught up in the partying scene and the life that that brings in that but I loved sports and growing up playing

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I was pretty decent I'm not being boastful I was pretty decent at baseball and on the baseball team there was always this friend of mine

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I won't bring him into the limelight yet but there was this friend of mine that I always just thought there was something different about him

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I had heard people say they were Christians but looking back now he's probably the only Christian that really ever came in a true

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Christian a born again Christian and he always just shared his faith with me always said there's a better way

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Orion you know I'm praying for you God has big plans for me he'd always tell me that in his prayers

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God always revealed these big plans for me and I said well I'm going to hell and I'm gonna have fun doing it

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I'm glad it works for you and he just he always was in my life throughout sports well fast forward

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I went to college and believe it or not we played on the same baseball team went to Rochester College in Detroit and honestly when

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I went to college I didn't even know it was a Christian school that tells you how naive I was and how rebellious

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I just wanted to play baseball they gave me a scholarship to play baseball there but they told me I had to sign up for a

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Bible class and I said James what did you get me into here and long story short being that baseball again my friend had noticed that I'm still very much caught up in the partying scene and the drinking and the smoking and just my view on life and he just continued it one day

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Bob really sticks out to me he said do you mind meeting me in my dorm room I really want to talk to you and he gave me a

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New Testament Bible I said James you know I'm glad it worked for you and just really turned away but he just shared the gospel with me and I'm sure people are listening like wow did he come to faith then no

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I still didn't come to faith then I took the Bible he gave me went after college and I had moved back to my hometown and I did a lot of moving still very much partying and living my life and throughout the moving

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I'd always come across that Bible everyone understands when you're packing things up you come across things that get shoved away and to be honest with you

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Chris I wanted to throw the Bible away but something always told me that would be like sin of all sin is what

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I was thinking at that time and no one can throw the Bible away so I just kept moving and there happened to be one day in particular it was actually

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September 22nd is the day that I opened the Bible that James gave me 10 years later after college

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I was just in a part of my life where I was just at a low point I knew there had been

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I felt like there had been something more to life and the way I was living I had a great job had lots of money at the time for my age

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I was doing very well but just something was just empty so I said okay I'm gonna challenge this

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God that my friend had shared about me so I went down my basement found this New Testament Bible I said okay

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God if you're real like my friend tells me you are and what I hear if you're real make this

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Bible catch on fire make just do something supernatural and I will believe in you so I said

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I'm opening this Bible and God I want you to do something that only you can do and I'll believe in you so I opened up the

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Bible and the very first verse that popped out to me was Matthew 10 33 and I'll paraphrase it but it reads if you deny me before men

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I'll deny you before my father in heaven that was the very first verse my eyes kind of fixated on and I read it and nothing happened

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I'm like well I guess I'm right I guess God isn't real well in the meantime my wife at the time she had a college friend

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I was married at the time and I my wife had a college friend from college my wife's an artist and he had to come over and they were doing a project together and I never met the man in my life she never really

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I didn't know he was an artist I didn't know nothing about him if you mind if he comes over he's gonna bring us work on this project

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I said absolutely he comes over and we're having a great conversation very nice man and he stops me right in the middle of our conversation we're having this great conversation

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I don't know exactly what we were talking about the time but we've had a great conversation go back and forth you know what do you do

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I do this this and that and he said I don't you know I don't know what you're what you believe in God I at this point

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I had no idea he was a Christian completely out of the blue he says God just told me to tell you something and God wanted me to tell you if you deny me by what

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I'm about to share with you he will deny you before God and I said what did you just say and he quoted the exact same verse

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I'd read in the moment the exact same verse I mean out of over 30 ,000 verses of the

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Bible what's the chances of that right and so I share with him I didn't even tell my wife

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I went down obviously she knows today she knows my testimony but I didn't tell anybody I went down read it so I met this man for the very first time didn't even know he was a

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Christian and God had revealed to him and from that moment forward I fell to my knees

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I bawled like a baby I said why am I crying because at that time I was this big rough rough party kind of guy

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I didn't cry for nothing and I'm sitting here crying and the Holy Spirit fell upon me in a supernatural way and from that day forward

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I just repented I probably gave the most messy prayer I've ever prayed in my life I repented for everything

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I ever done I go through a refrigerator I threw every ounce of alcohol we had in the house and I threw it all in the garbage and I just completely changed my life over I just felt a feeling like I never felt for the first time

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I realized what the message my friend had been sharing all along that I can be forgiven I'm not too far gone that God did have a plan for me that very first Sunday after I get saved

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I walked into a church down the road our local church is actually a first church of God in St.

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Joe Michigan I walked in the front doors I shook a bunch of hands and I said I told my testimony this just happened to me

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I'm your guy what do you want me to do I'm here to serve and from that day forward it's never been the same and that's still in my heart today wherever whenever whatever the

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Lord speaks I'm obedient to him and that's that's my testimony in that show radically transformed and it's never been the same since.

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And when did you realize and how did you realize that God had placed the call upon your life to enter into the ministry?

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Yeah that was a process of back and forth fighting with God you'd think after the supernatural encounter so I owned a landscaping business and I really thought that was my ministry

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I was hiring people that were maybe out of they were incarcerated they couldn't get jobs and I was hiring them and I really thought that that was my ministry and it really was for that period of time and there's just this again this supernatural calling

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Lord kept telling me I want you to lead a church I want you to grow up in the church

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I mean I went to church twice a year I was afraid of the Bible but I mean again to back up a little bit but after I got saved

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I was so hungry for the word and still to this day I just started I went from hating reading to owning the library

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I mean I just I couldn't get enough I still can't get enough I just started diving in so to fast forward in my landscaping business

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I just kept praying Lord whatever whatever and he kept telling me well you know we all have been there where we reject the

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Holy Spirit at times I finally got to a point I just gave up I said okay Lord if you want me to be a pastor this has to be on your will or on your you know you make this so abundantly clear to me and I'll do it well a church had reached out to me in the community church

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I got where I'm at now actually and I got an email and they said we heard that you might be looking for a church

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I never sent a resume to anybody Chris I never sent a resume they had reached out they said that obviously

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I'd share with my lead pastor but I never sent a resume to anybody my lead pastor never even at that time never reached out to this church so God has just been doing supernatural things in my life that you can't it's nothing short of a miracle in the way he works and so I just at that moment

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I just surrendered and I said okay if you want me to be a lead pastor I'll be a lead pastor and that's where I'm at today so it was kind of probably a five -year process of me going back and forth with God I'm doing such a great ministry here and he says yeah you do a great ministry this is what

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I want you to do so it just comes down to obedience and surrender and life today

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I mean I love that time of ministry ministering to people that were I couldn't get a job so actually sold the business to a

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Christian a man that's still doing the same thing that I was doing so God just for the season that worked but this is where you want to meet today so now

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I'm on your show well I'm going to give our listeners our email address if they have questions of their own for yes pastor

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Ryan Glesman Chris Arnzen at gmail .com C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com

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please as always give us your first name at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the

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USA please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter perhaps you are personally struggling with the sin of homosexuality and you obviously don't want to identify yourself that is quite acceptable to remain anonymous for that reason or other personal and private reasons but please if it's just a general question gives at least your first name city and state and country of residence so obviously you have been thrust into media attention because you are the brother of the man that identifies himself as the husband of Pete Buttigieg the mayor of South Bend Indiana running for president as an openly homosexual presidential candidate first of all when in your life and also let us know whether it was before or after your own conversion to Christianity did you first realize that your brother either was practicing homosexuality or was drawn into that or had that inclination or proclivity or interest or desire yeah he

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I was not a Christian when he had come out to the family I believe he was 18 years old at the time he had he said he knew that there were some tendencies leading up to that just with the crowds of people hanging out the marches he would go to so when he came out and to officially

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I guess you can say that he was come out of the closet I guess would be the term that they that they used today but I think he was on 18 years old

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I wasn't a Christian at the time my response at the time was honestly not much different than it is today to be honest

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I mean well hold that thought for a second some people might be filthy what do you mean your thought is it different what

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I mean by that he said he was gay I saw those the style his lifestyle that he was you know kind of living at that time and he said

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I have to do this for myself I'm gay and at that time not being a follower you know we were like okay no it was no big surprise we didn't really treat him any different you know in many ways the majority of my family embraced him probably even more there was never this you know kind of kicking out of the house kind of mentality or nothing like that and now since being a follower of Jesus I what

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I mean by my response really isn't much different is okay he is saying he's gay he needs to meet

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Jesus Christ personally so again we don't we don't I'm not pushing my brother away

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I'm sharing I'm standing on the truth of what scripture says because God is a loving God that loves us so dearly he gave us his word because he loves us so I love my brother

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I love all gay people exactly the same way that's exactly why I share the good news of Jesus to my brother into the whole homosexual community so to answer your question when he came out

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I believe 18 but there really was nothing surprising about it we we just kind of looked at him like okay and we moved forward from there and still to this day okay you're identifying as gay but Jesus loves you

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I love you and that's why I share the good news with them and when did you first realize and how did you first become knowledgeable of the fact that he had a relationship a sinful relationship with Pete Buttigieg was

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Pete Buttigieg already the mayor of South Bend Indiana or is this something that happened before people to judge entered into politics just basically what approximate time and not only his life but in your life did you discover this you know obviously

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Chaston since the time he had come out Chaston's my brother and since he had come out gay he had many different partners

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I mean Pete wasn't the very first person he ever brought home that was the same sex as my brother and when he met

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Pete yes he was the mayor of South Bend but again I didn't view that any differently because no matter your popularity

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God's word still is his word on marriage so I really didn't view it any different from his previous partners before Pete or even after Pete and even after they got married because that question actually comes to me quite a bit in email form families that are kind of going through a similar situation where you have a family member who's standing on the truth of God's word but then a family member happens to come out and say they're gay and how do we articulate this and a lot of people ask you about that like is it different with him being married to now a presidential candidate no he's a human being you know

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I think popularity and the media try to draw more attention to a certain people and almost feels like well maybe we should milk down the gospel more because he's a popular figure no he's still a person he's a human being created in the image of God who needs to understand the gospel and that's why

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I view it today it doesn't matter on your popularity it's still God's word it gets applied to all creation no matter your status so that's how

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I come to the understanding yes he let the family know I think he was pretty excited to share that hey my new boyfriend is a mayor of a town but I didn't really fall into that at all it's okay he's a mayor you need

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Jesus and that's still my approach that makes any sense now a lot of people not just those involved in homosexuality but those who are clinging to the idol of their sin no matter what it is it could be drunkenness it could be drug addiction it could be a lot of different things and by saying this

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I don't I'm not I'm not saying that all sin is exactly equal I'm not saying that either but people when they are confronted with a

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Christian who is letting them know what you are doing is going to send you to hell you need to be covered by the blood of Christ you need the forgiveness of Christ only

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Christ and his death on Calvary can bring you into a position that is in right standing with God you need to repent of this and abandon it and renounce it and so whatever the sin is people will take that even if it is said with the most compassionate tone of voice a

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Christian can muster even if it is said with tears in the person's eyes very often not all the time but very often this is viewed as hate speech this is viewed as something that is merely self -righteous hostility you could go on and on with the descriptions and I on how those that are in a defense mode of their idol their their the idol of their sin go through now has your brother basically come to view you as his enemy as someone who thinks that you are innately superior and that that your motives come from hate or does he view you as your erring but loving brother who just you to do wants him to do something that he disagrees with no

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I think your first response the way you explain that is correct that this comes across as better than you think you're perfect and you're exactly right that's what happens in today's culture because we're living in a time period where everyone's opinions right

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I mean right that's what we're living in except for our conservative evangelicals exactly we are the most tolerant loving compassionate people on the face of the planet because we're poor good people so but yeah that's exactly where he's at and he's actually told me he thought you just don't view me as a human being and I'm constantly so I kind of explained it this way

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I explained to him and he kind of understood it better when I would explain it to him and you can use many different analogies and maybe many maybe you've heard it maybe people listening

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I've heard this analogy but you know I kind of uses burning building kind of analogy of her if we really care for people and we love people and just say you're walking down the street and there is a home on fire and you can see people inside that need to be rescued what how loving would it be or how caring or compassionate would it be if you just walk by because I really hope that works out for him

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I really hope get out of that burning hole I mean right and that's the same way we're doing as Christians and the people have to face that it's

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God's Word it's not my opinion this is not my opinion and you're right it doesn't matter how compassionate

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I can do it um some people do do it very wrong I mean some people do I'll come across in a non -christian way but then

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I explained it to him I said you know Jeff and I love you I care but I would I'd share this to anyone and hopefully people are listening that may be caught up in this sin and it would just be the reason we share the good news of Jesus is because it's good news it is good news it's like me walking by that home and call 9 -1 -1 but not just calling that one but busting out the windows open the door getting people out of the fire and saving and rescuing them now

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I don't do the rescuing I don't do the saving that's what Jesus did I'm Calvary like you had mentioned but I'm introducing you to the one who came and change your life so how loving would it be for me as not just his blood brother but just as a fellow human being how well would it be for me to say

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I love all people care for all people and never share the truth of the

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Christ with them you know when I go to the doctor and say I have a really really terrible cancer a really bad illness and a doctor so compassionate

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I love him so much I'm just not gonna tell the truth that's gonna break his heart and some doctors some doctors tell their their family the family of the the patient not to tell them right

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I don't want that doctor right I don't want that doctor and and what

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I'm getting that is we love people we care for people that's why we share the truth of Christ now when

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I was very much caught up in sin with the drinking and the partying and doing that I had to come to understanding that it was sin it was wrong on the way

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I viewed women was completely unbiblical and I'd repent from that which repentance means to turn it's not just saying

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God I'm sorry it's to turn away and that's what we're not telling people to repent because he's going how we're saying we repent because we love you you know every time

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Jesus had judgment from the Old Testament the New Testament he always offered a way out every single time he gave warning he offered a way out and then when people still turn away from it that's what he instilled to this day

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Jesus is the only way that cleanses from our sins the only way to salvation that's just plain and simple we have to understand it's

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God's Word so we need to return I'll repent in turn to him amen and that's why yeah go ahead go ahead that's just why

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I share this I know it's a long drawn -out answer but I'm glad we have the time to do this because I want people to understand that that yes it doesn't matter how compassionate we say it but we are the love of Christ because we truly love people as a doctor would tell you the truth we don't turn the truth

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I don't know if you've ever seen the video and if you haven't I urge you to watch it the video with Penn Jillette do you know who

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Penn Jillette is I do but I'm not recalling on the video Penn Jillette he is the world -renowned magician who really exposes how tricks are done he and his silent partner whose name escapes me right now who doesn't say anything on the stage and Penn there's only a teller that's right his silent partners teller his magician partner but Penn Jillette is an atheist and he's a devout atheist a very militant atheist but he has a

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YouTube video as soon as the show is over I would urge you to watch it look it up on YouTube it's easily found and in fact even share it with your brother he was presented a

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Bible a Bible was presented to him I should say by a fan of his after one of his acts perhaps it was in Vegas I can't remember exactly where but the man said basically you

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I am a huge fan of yours and I really admire your talent and I want you to have this

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Bible because I'm a Christian and I believe that your salvation depends upon your embracing

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Christ and you're entering into heaven for eternity is all hinged upon whether you repent and trust in Christ and I don't say this out of arrogance of self -righteousness

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I say because that's what I truly believe and I really care about and Penn Jillette even though he's an atheist he admired this man greatly and he said he said how much do you have to hate someone to believe that they need

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Christ in order to enter into heaven for eternity and not tell them that right he recognized that this was an act of whereas many people and they and many people who react as if you are spewing hate speech upon them they may not really believe that that's a

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I believe that very often that's just a defense mechanism to shift the attention away from their own refusal to let go of an idol that they know is wrong in fact from Romans 1 we know that your brother and every homosexual and every sinner that is clinging on to an idol all the way through the gates of hell they know that that's that sin no matter what they may tell you a

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Romans Romans 1 is clear about that but I think that you should share that with your brother and perhaps we'll share it with Pete Buddha judge and who knows maybe the

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Lord will do a miracle with that even but so what is your your relationship as a brother like today with the the tension that must exist between him knowing that you believe that unless he repents he will he will tragically be in hell along with Pete Buddha judge if he does not repent and especially since he is in the limelight with Pete Buddha judge while Pete is running for president and you are have been thrust into the media limelight where people are are interviewing you such as myself and people like Tucker Carlson and others what is the relationship like the relationship

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I mean I'll just put it bluntly it's broken but I Jesus is all about redemption right so that's what

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I pray that's what I send that's what the emails I send in the private messages it's a one -way street right now

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I send text I send emails I don't give up I call I wrote actually Pete a very nice email

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I didn't get a response from I wrote a nice email as he was going on the campaign just praying for him and sharing a lot about what we're talking about today you know just how well

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I truly love people and I love you guys I want the best for him that's why I'm sharing the truth of that and I if I have the time

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I'd like to share a real neat testimony overly I have another brother my middle brother and he doesn't mind me sharing we talked very often but I have a middle brother named

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Dustin and I'm just gonna share this kind of fuels why I keep sharing with them yeah in fact if you could bring up this story right after we come back from our first break as we have to go to our first station break yeah absolutely yeah and don't forget about Dustin's story that you want to tell if anybody else wants to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is

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I hope you'll be patient and we'll get to as many of you as possible as long as the

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Lord will allow and time will permit so hang in there and we'll be with you to respond to your questions as soon as possible don't go away we'll be right back with pastor

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forward slash podcast welcome back this is chris arnzen if you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours is ryan glesman and ryan is the pastor of the community church of god in cleo michigan and he is also the brother of the man who claims to be the husband of pete budaj budaj the mayor of south bend indiana who is running for president of the united states is an openly homosexual candidate and when i say that our guest's brother claims to be pete budaj's husband it's just because as a christian i refuse to call him that because by the true definition of marriage he's not the husband of our of our guest's brother uh he and my guest is not the brother -in -law of pete budaj in the eyes of christ and therefore that's why i'm using the language that i am using if anybody would like to join us on the air our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com

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c h r i s a r n z e n at gmail .com please give us at least your first name your city and state of residence your country of residence if you live outside the usa only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter we are discussing the false christianity of pete budaj the charade of claiming christ as your own while celebrating things christ hates and before the break uh pastor guesman uh you were just about to tell a story about your other brother dustin yeah absolutely we were we were talking about this communication with my brother uh chester and he kind of asked about how's that communication and it's broken i still send text it's an email send very nice letters and emails to uh pete um and the reason i keep doing that is because i want to share a really neat testimony to the power of god and my middle brother dustin uh actually he's completely okay with me sharing he's given me full um privilege to uh share on this account that we've had together but my middle brother at a time um was very angry with me um thought i was just i joined a cult all the all the verbiage that we hear i can't believe you believe that false god um you've been brainwashed because he had saw this radical transformation and through all his time just really um said some very very nasty words to me and through all of that i continued as i do with my brother chester and with pete and all people many many people i'm constantly sending i'm encouraging uh gospel messages but i continue just to share the truth with him um i he was very much you want to know the scientific evidence and you want to know the proof that the bible is actually real which we have more proof than any other artifact we have today i just kept sharing um christ with him and the goodness and and he was in kind of a time and through all of that i had the opportunity to lead my brother dustin uh to the lord a year ago um probably just within the last month a year ago came up on his anniversary uh radical transformation completely gave his life to the lord and he's radically transformed and today he's constantly sending messages that he was able to share his faith for people on the job site um because absolutely radical transformation and that's the power of god that's why we do what we do that's what we continue to share not just because my brother i mean obviously what he's my my blood brother but he's my brother in christ um that he will see uh heaven one day with the father that jesus will look at him says well done my good and faithful servant um because he repented because he turned but if i would have shied away and stopped sharing the word with uh i don't know where he'd be today we're not going to go down that road um and the reason i share this um radical translation my middle brothers because that's my prayer that's the that's the word i stand on when i share the goodness that that god's word will not return void that's what the word says uh that's why i keep sharing it's not that hostile it's not that i'm better than you it's jesus loves you he's the only way to salvation repent and turn to him and your life will never be the same and jesus even i'll even take it further um i love to think about heaven i love to think but i think about jesus as i come to give life and to give life more abundantly uh whatever your translation you might say to the fullest but jesus brings abundant life to earth by the power of his holy spirit um and that's again just another reason we we uh share that's another reason i reach reach out to my brother chasten and share the good news is because people like my brother who just keep attacking me and attacking me attacking me and now look today we have a beautiful relationship uh he's um he's my disciple maker now i just completely uh discipling him and pouring into him and it's fun to watch him and the fruit just keeps on going and going so i just thought that was a neat story i thought i would share with you now did now does uh dustin have any communication ongoing with chasten no different than myself uh we continue we we send messages we talk back and forth um but no there's really um it's pretty sad when uh just because we want to share the truth of christ that people want to turn us away it's happened more than just my brother i would say uh the majority of my family has done the same thing since my conversion uh and that's just the truth but it comes at a cost uh but jesus says those people be persecuted those who are persecuted for righteousness sake i'm going to bless them so uh it's unfortunate but we continue to stand on his word and we just can the door is always open chris uh if i tell people all the time i get this question all the time uh why can't you uh just talk to your brother well it's a one -way street he's got to pick up the phone he's got to respond but you know what i'm always here and i'm always going to be here so amen uh we have a listener uh i usually only give a first name to a listener when when they write in questions but this happens to be a pastor that i know and uh would love to uh promote him and his congregation to those listening uh so whenever uh typically when i have a pastor write in i give their full name and the church where this happens to be uh my friend pastor george jensen of the enola first church of god in enola pennsylvania and he's been a guest on this program and a co -host on this program uh pastor jensen asks have you had a chance to discuss your faith and testimony with pete buddha judge beyond the email you mentioned where you told him you were praying for him i guess what he meant is the email to your brother but uh have you ever had a chance to evangelize witness to give your testimony to pete buddha judge the the presidential candidate i have not i have not had a chance to share with him in person again uh especially now with being on the campaign trail uh very hard to get a hold of um phone numbers change so i would love to uh i would love to see that day i love to share uh not because it's my testimony because it's testimony of christ so i welcome that i'd love to just know i have not had that opportunity um but the way media is and the way scheduling i guess you could say um that's very much my heart i would love to see that day so here's a similar question uh from rj in white plains new york have you ever had a holiday meal with your brother and pete buddha judge and was there any interaction about god and theology and salvation over the dinner table or barbecue oh absolutely um i am ashamed of the gospel so the gospel comes up in every conversation um how did that go um probably as you would suspect that um well we have our beliefs you have your beliefs that's agree to disagree is that coming from their side and i'm always encouraging that's just don't put the bible into the bible says and well i don't want to talk about that at this time um it's it's personal to me those are kind of the responses i get so absolutely you know everywhere i go um i can be standing in a line and i'll bring up faith and just share and those are the seeds we plant those are seeds of the water and i believe that's just the way we continue to articulate so yeah answer that question uh it's definitely been brought up on many occasions went when pete buddha judge himself was there oh yes yeah we have been around meals absolutely um as far as sharing let's go back to that first question no i haven't had a chance to share actually my testimony um but faith does get brought up my thoughts i mean do get brought up on those yes right you know it's interesting that we are accused by those who reject the gospel who reject the inerrant scriptures uh we are accused of being hate mongers and even if you want to soften that accusation it would be uh extremists uh we would be um intolerant unloving uh uncaring self -righteous uh and i think that one of those things is correct in one area we should be intolerant about sin and about false teaching and about false practices that some people will hell we should not tolerate that at all and tragically too many people who call themselves evangelicals do tolerate that but they hurl these things at us and yet they typically or very often are no less militant and no less dogmatic and no less fierce and unwilling to compromise and intolerant about their political agendas about their view their views of morality uh you have pete buddha judge not only uh hoping and asking that evangelicals would embrace his understanding of christianity as valid uh and not uh act with intolerance uh toward him or view him as anything less than christian and yet he spouts a christianity quote quote that he clearly believes in fact states is a superior version of christianity in fact perhaps even the true christianity because it's more reflective in his mind of who jesus christ is and what jesus christ teaches and what jesus christ commands of us he will take he will take things uh in fact these would be real things from the scriptures obviously jesus christ wants us uh to care for the poor uh the downtrodden uh welcome the stranger is something he brings up but but there are there are specific uh definitions of what those things those things need mean in the scriptures and in fact even in the old covenant israel was indeed to be loving and was to treat with kindness the stranger in their midst but at the same time there were biblical commands about who you are to allow to remain in your midst and who you would not and uh in fact i'm sure pete buddha judge would not allow anybody in through the front door of his house so that this is really uh it is a smokescreen uh in other words that we who are conservative evangelicals who are unwaveringly steadfast in our proclamation of what we believe the bible to teach the inerrant bible uh it is a smokescreen to say we are the bad guys we're the nasty and hateful ones unloving ones and yet they're really absolutely no different they just stand for a different cause in fact they're they are different in in a sense because very often they are just as unloving or more unloving than they claim we are oh absolutely yeah then we can go down so many roads you heard from uh the scripture he uses uh you know trying to raise minimum we're saying that the bible wants minimal wage to be raised that's what you do with your personal money to use that scripture um the the verse that's just popping in my mind right now is second timothy four i believe it's uh verses three through four or it just it talks about we're coming there's a there's a time coming when people will not endure sound teaching you know they're going to have these each year they're going to make uh teachers to suit their own passion you know they're going to turn away from doctrine and that's exactly what i see with pete and uh so many other people that they want to accumulate for their own passions and desires goes right back to the very first thing we ever see that people want to be their own god i want to be like god i want i want to take the bible and make it say what i want it to say and really it boils down to are we going to take god's word for his word are we going to literally look at his word and say this is what it is and i would just encourage pete and all people because this what the danger in this is what for me and the reason i want to speak out the way i'm doing is because we have to take this very seriously that this false gospel this false doctrine this um distorting god's word is leading people astray i mean it is uh it's leading people astray and i take that very seriously it saddens me it breaks my heart um so that's that's what i'm seeing you know that i've heard pete say that his relationship with my brothers brought him closer to god and that's almost a quote for quote word that he said that what that's saying is that saying god my plan for my marriage is better than your plan and i'm going to turn away from what your word does because it feels good to me so i'm going to live out my life that i want to but god i want you for salvation you know i want to you know i want to be in heaven he'd probably say i want that golden ticket to go but he wants to turn away from god's word and you get a culture you get people to buy into this false doctrine it's damning it's dangerous it's leading people astray you know yeah god is the potter and we are the clay and yet amen all these false professors like pete buddha judge and i'm assuming your brother i don't know how religious he claims to be but many others who are even in the clergy so -called who really act as if they are the potter and they are molding god into the image that they want him to be of course they're molding a false god not the real god and uh i'm going to play a clip of pete buddha judge speaking on abortion which really drives home the fact that this is not or these are not differences that we can sit around and have pleasant discussions about over lemonade or coffee and just say hey let's just uh live and let live and uh you know you can believe what you want to believe and let me believe what i want to believe and we could just have a wonderful friendship but uh...

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this is where it gets really gruesome it gets i think satanic and uh...

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i i don't even think i could come up with adjectives that would be adequate to describe how monstrous this is well here is pete buddha judge speaking about late -term abortion now right now they hold everybody in line with this one uh kind of piece of doctrine about abortion right which is obviously a tough issue for a lot of people who think through more then again uh you know there's a lot of parts of the bible to talk about how life begins with breath and so even that is something that we can interpret differently and uh i'm pro -choice pick up uh me too oh now that is breathtakingly horrifying what you just said we can just have a little difference of opinion about when life begins even if it means i believe that a baby can be torn to pieces seconds before its head emerges out of the mother's womb uh this is not something that we can uh disagree over in polite conversation in a common and uh charitable way where we are viewing each other's opinions as equally valid or anything like that this is really it's amazing how someone as intelligent as pete buddha judge is uh he doesn't come across as some moron uh it's amazing how you have to come to the the opinion that he there is a deeply mentally disturbed moron or just purely evil when it comes to believing in something like this and describing it in such a common and composed way how do you respond in fact let me uh have you respond when we return from our midway break because this is the uh longer break that we have in the middle of our show where uh grace life radio 90 .1

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that's e n o l a c o g .com the the first or the enola first church of god in enola pennsylvania pastored by george jensen and now let me uh announce a couple of very important events that i hope that as many of you as possible attend uh coming up in december thursday and friday december 19th and 20th i will be god willing at the foundations conference in new york city what better place during the christmas season to be than new york city in my humble opinion i am thrilled to return there for another conference and the roster is always phenomenal at the foundations conference it is a conference conducted and orchestrated and hosted by sermonaudio .com

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and they are a very finicky bunch very discerning and very careful who they would put behind a pulpit so you are rest assured that you are going to hear very biblically rich and theologically sound preaching done by people who have an extraordinary gift for preaching the gospel and this by the way is a conference only for men in ministry leadership they can only seat less than 200 people at the foundations conference and therefore they restrict attendance to men in ministry leadership so if you want to join me there i hope to see you there the speakers include dr stephen j lawson paul washer reverend jeff thomas reverend arman tamasian richard caldwell jr and andrew quigley for more details go to the foundations conference .com

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the foundations conference .com then in january i'm packing up my bags again and this time i'm heading down south to a really remarkable bible conference this will be my fourth one in a row fourth year in a row january 16th through the 18th 2020 i will be at the g3 conference the g3 conference stands for gospel grace and glory and this january the theme is worship matters and they have an absolutely extraordinary mind -blowing roster of speakers very long roster of speakers including the aforementioned dr stephen j lawson we have my dear friend since 1995 dr james r white of alpha and omega ministries my friend phil johnson who is the executive director of john macarthur's ministry grace to you phil has been interviewed on my show more than any other guest in the history of iron dating back to 2005 my friend todd friel of wretched tv and wretched radio derrick thomas the world -renowned christian teacher preacher and author my friend uh dr tom askell founder of or should i say executive director of founders ministries and uh steven j nichols who is the president of reformation bible college the the college founded by the late rc sproul and ligonier ministries uh my friend dr or should i say uh my friend costy hen i don't know if he's received his doctorate yet costy hen who is the nephew of benny hen the notorious heretic and charlatan and costy does not mind me seeing saying that because costy has renounced the word of faith teachings of his youth and is now a baptist pastor and a cessationist to boot in arizona you heard uh dr james r white say that costy is pastoring in california well he has recently accepted a call to join the ministry team of the church in arizona so he will be on the roster and john macarthur himself is going to be on the roster one of my most beloved modern day heroes of the christian faith i would go out there to atlanta georgia even if it was only john macarthur preaching i've never been in the same room when he has preached before so this makes the event even more exciting for me i have interviewed dr macarthur on this show and he has written a phenomenal commendation for this show which you can see on our website iron trip and zion radio .com

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but i've never met him in person and i've never been in the same room when he's preaching so there are many more on the roster as well uh so if you want to join me at georgia international convention center from thursday january 16th through saturday january 18th that's in college park georgia which is a suburb of atlanta go to g3 conference .com

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g3 conference .com i strongly urge you if you have a business an event you want to promote a parachurch organization something that you want to promote to a very large group of people in the body of christ well i would strongly urge you not only to register as an attendee at the g3 conference but do what i do every year register for an exhibitor's booth man an exhibitor's booth for whatever it is you want to promote to the body of christ because they have every year over 5 ,000 people come to this event and with john macarthur there i believe i strongly believe i'm very confident they'll have over 6 ,000 people there and they run out of room for exhibitors booths a lot more quickly than they will run out of room for attendees so if you want to attend or or should i say and uh if you want to also have a an exhibitor's booth go to g3 conference .com

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chris arnson at gmail .com give us your first name city and state and country of residence if you live outside the usa and only remain anonymous if your question involves personal and private matter uh pastor ryan before we go to any more listener questions if you could respond to what i was saying before about how dangerous and how evil and damning and even monstrous it is to treat the life of an unborn baby with such a calm and relaxed trivial attitude where he is uh pete is twisting scripture by saying that since the bible teaches in some places that life begins at breath he was inferring that we should be able to terminate the life or should i say stop the life in his mind we would call it murder and end the life but uh he would he would consider it stopping the life from beginning of a baby even moments even seconds before it's born so if you could just respond to that yeah i've heard that clip so many times and thanks for giving me opportunity to respond to that again but pete's words are demonstrating that he's turning from the word of god i don't know how you cannot open your word and just i mean just start in genesis 1 26 to 27 where it talks about made in the image of god you know we all know the verse jeremiah 1 5 that he knew us before our mother's womb you know you get to exodus uh 21 where it taught you know the the uh i think it's in verse 22 through like 25 ish you know where a man actually hits a pregnant woman and it's life for life like god views life um complete intrinsic value and for pete to go and say these things that the bible talks about breath we need to understand the scripture that yes adam was born from breath god breathed everything into creation as we know it today procreation that time and it just it continues to prove of the rhetoric of turning from god's word distorting the word uh he's publicly contradicting god in public and it's just it is as damning it's i don't know how um anyone can hear that and not just have a this deep state of lament and sadness for god's creation that um in this frustration i'd be and there's just as righteous anger that builds up that people are using scripture to make it seem like it's okay to abort a child to murder a child that's the correct terminology is murdering i mean for every successful abortion a life is taken um i don't know you know they want to redo these um phrases to say health care that doesn't seem like a very good health care plan to me and then to use the bible to say it's okay um nothing infuriates me more as when not only pete buddha judge but many if not most leftists and uh i try not i try to remember not to use the term liberal because the vast majority of those folks running for office and in the public limelight are not liberal they're totalitarian leftists right uh liberals believe that that uh people of all spectrums of understanding and belief should have a a shared seat in the public square where these things can be openly discussed and so on the leftists they don't even want debates anymore they don't want anybody having a different opinion on college campuses they want to shut these things down but um i just uh it sends a it makes my skin crawl to hear the murder of an unborn baby or even the murder of a baby that has been quote quote accidentally born during an abortion procedure where it's just set aside and kept comfortable till it dies of natural causes uh how that is considered health care we we uh we want to make sure that women have access to health care they always use different words to pretty up the satanic and grotesque activity that they are promoting and in some cases involved in themselves uh and uh it i can't help but use terms as uh vivid as grotesque and monstrous because that's what it is i think that we we are treading in dangerous territory when we tiptoe around these things and act as if these are acceptable differences of opinion that we can have with with uh our friends and neighbors absolutely i mean it comes and it's not just the abortion that's a huge value with you that is infuriating um that people use scripture but the same thing with homosexuality uh drunkenness i mean uh do we love god's word do we take god's word at face value and i understand uh that there's some things in scripture we can have a little bit of different opinion but they're but these are issues that are very concrete the bible is very clear on what god what god's word says on a marriage between a man and a woman a married man and a woman the bible is very clear on the bait the life of a human life that god fearfully and wonderfully created in his image he knew us before the mother i mean there's a verse after verse after verse and it comes down to are people going to look at god's word and believe god's word or you can destroy it and that's anti -god that's anti -christ and that's what you're seeing that's why it's demonic that's why anti -god and these views because they are turning from god's word to take their own desires and pleasures and that's what we're seeing um greatly in the world today and that's why it's so much more i'm i'm encouraging if you truly are a born -again believer in jesus christ uh if we're going to be silent on that then you're basically speaking if you're going to be silent that's louder than speaking um by your silence and we're just not going to be silenced the gates of hell will not of hell will not prevail against god's church such as people and we're to stand up and share his word um the way we're doing this evening amen and uh one of the things that pete buddha judge brought up in the clip that we aired uh his disdain his apparent disdain for uh evangelicals conservatives being one issue voters when it comes to the pro -life issue it's kind of interesting how i hear that very often on fact in fact years ago on my old iron sharpens iron radio program broadcasting it of new york there was a local pastor who's an african -american pastor and a friend of mine who was very upset that i aired a program opposing barack obama and his presidency after he won the election he thought that this should have been a time of healing and then i had uh it was just very un uh unloving and un christian of me in his mind to have this program that that only uh festered uh divisive divisive divisiveness excuse me and uh i thought it was odd that he thought i was promoting a divisive attitude when my guest was an african -american who was pro -life and we were showing how we had that commonality in the bonds of christ to be very much in support in a militant fashion to rescue the unborn from murder but he was very opposed to me having this program with the founder of black genocide dot org which is the black brother i just mentioned who's a minister in new jersey who is on a crusade to get the black community at large to see how they are promoting and accepting infanticide when they vote for the leftists running for office constantly and so i had him i invited my friend uh this minister on the show to speak his case he brought another liberal minister with him a man that was even much more more far to the left than he was and he kept bringing up that same thing is one thing that really irritates me about conservative evangelicals is that they tend to be one issue voters it's abortion and they they ignore everything else well number one that's not even true but number two i said everyone has an issue that will make their decision uh on whether or not to vote for somebody stand or fall uh and uh i said if there was a candidate for president or perhaps governor or mayor or what have you where you were in a jurisdiction to vote for that person or not i said if there was a candidate who agreed with you on every position you could think of whether it be all kinds of welfare issues and immigration issues and minimum wage issues and you could go on and on and if that person agreed with you and everything but was a member of the kuklux klan would you vote for and he said absolutely not i said why not well he's a member of the kuklux clan i said yeah but is that just your one issue that's making you decide your vote and it's in fact as monstrous and as evil as bigotry is i'm sorry it's not as evil as ripping babies apart it's you know somebody's stupid moronic and evil understanding of their uh superiority because of the lightness or darkness of their skin as horrible as that is uh that is not equivalent to somebody ripping a baby apart while it's still alive in their mother's womb amen i agree and uh he had no answer and he just kept saying but he's in the clan i can't vote for him as if he's in the clan i'm like yeah that's one issue yeah but um we have let's see here we have bobby in hartsdale new york who has a question and he asks how do you convey to those opposing you on your beliefs that stem from the inerrant words of god that you are not spewing hate speech but actually just being compassionate and wanting what is best for them because that is what god teaches good question um sometimes we can say the most that we've kind of covered that in the beginning uh i think of wow first peter 350 one of my favorite verses how we're to articulate scripts i'm paraphrasing here but uh we're supposed to honor the lord um to do it in gentleness and respect the best way i could do to answer that question is to be exactly that that first peter 350 has the right to articulate the word in gentleness respect i can disagree with somebody and respect them and and to really stand on the understanding as i don't change anyone uh the holy spirit the power of god changes people i'm just too i like to say it this way i put them on the first date i set up that first date with christ i have to always be ready uh in season out of sudden to articulate the truth the gospel that i believe in so i think we always have to go into someone that disagrees with us not in a hostile way um to understand where they're coming from you know just to i know we're talking a lot about homosexuality and there's so many sins i mean all sin is a sin and we're kind of covering that but you know when i think about the homosexual the lgbt uh community you know the goal isn't to get uh gay people straight the goal is to get dead people alive and all people are dead uh in their sins so when i'm viewing people that disagree with me that that's the goal is for them to come alive to i i tell people all the time in our church and all throughout the community is when we share the good news share it like it's good news because it is good news uh and sometimes people share it like it's a burden some there's these rules and these regulations and yes there is a guideline that we have the scripture but so that's how i answer that question to say respect them number one um you're never going to argue your way um someone into salvation stand firm on what you believe know what you believe uh it's frustrating sometimes when i hear christians try to uh share they don't even know what they believe you know they don't know what they're saying they're just believing because somebody told them like and that's really really important to really understand to really wrestle with what does god's word say about homosexuality what does it say about abortion what does it say about so many different things what does it say about drunkenness and orgies i mean we can go on and on and on um know what the word says know what you believe and um respect people i mean truly respect them love people if you really if you're looking in the eyes you'll never look in the eyes of someone that jesus doesn't love you'll never look in the eyes of someone jesus doesn't love and so that helps me with some of the disagreement um i love them i care for them i hear them listen be slow to speak uh quick to listen you know it sounds like a verse to me and we hold these verses in scripture so that's a great question um share the good news um and respect them honor them uh doesn't mean that we're conforming to their belief just because we're respecting them and you know ask questions questions are gifts from god constantly if someone disagrees with us well how do you come to that conclusion say we're talking with a pro -choice person that just believes that uh women should have a choice to murder a child say well how do you come to that conclusion that's just one example you know how do you come to that understanding ask questions ask questions respect them see where they're coming from and then share the truth of god amen unless somebody misunderstand what you mean by respect them uh because there is a way that i think that that could be wrongly pursued and acted upon uh i don't think i mean we would all agree that there's got to be somebody that if we were sitting across uh from the room sitting across the room from and you're having a conversation with them uh how do you respect the neo -nazi in the room with you how do you respect charles manson if you were having if he was still alive and having an interview with him or or an unrepentant serial killer uh i think there may be different a difference in terminology that could be used because you can treat someone like a like a human being and refrain from violence refrain from unnecessary ad hominem and so on and just be clear and truthful and blunt about how dangerously wrong they are uh but that doesn't always necessarily involve respect so i don't know if i'm uh being uh too much of a nitpicker but i just i just know that that word has been abused frequently respect yeah we we don't change our convictions by god's word so if we're um a serial killer you know we're going to be very open that uh we're we're greatly in disagreement there but again uh what i mean by um you know i'm not going to an act of violence on someone because they're murdering because what good is that doing so what i mean by uh respecting others is i'm not going to hold them at arm's length i'm not going to be in the same room with them i'm going to go i'm going to share the good news because i think christ cares where we're going he wants us to repent he wants to call us into repentance because there's no life without repentance no salvation without repentance was what i believe you know repentance leads to life we have to repent and turn away so to use those kind of examples you're saying is to speak with someone stand on god's word we share we're bold in our faith it doesn't mean that we say oh yeah i can kind of see your opinion that you know serial killings okay no that is wrong you know and you need to repent that's completely wrong but i do believe and there's consequences for that i'd have to imagine um you know the forgotten men ministries of phenomenal ministry we're involved in where we go people that are going to pay a life sentence for taking one's life um they're paying that life as their sentences here on earth but there's also salvation and redemption for all people can be redeemed so that's what i mean by this respect of people doesn't mean sometimes i'll say inclusion without conformity or i'll include people into the conversation i'm not conforming to your beliefs and ideology i strongly am against it but i will listen to you i'm going to give you the time of day i'm going to hear your plea but i'm going to stand on the word of god if that makes any sense yes yes i have orchestrated many theological debates in public moderated collegiate debates and although there have been people even practicing homosexuals who are self -proclaiming pastors even though i believe that the beliefs of these individuals are evil and are sending people to hell when when i'm conducting a debate a requirement is that there be civility during the debate that we not use ad hominem and we not just in viciousness mock the opponent that their time is not interrupted and all these kinds of things that are basic tenets of civil speech and interaction mm -hmm yeah yeah absolutely and of course love is uh the most powerful motivation the love of christ that you want that person to be rescued from their their evil beliefs or activities uh before we go to our final break i'm going to play a clip of drew breeze the nfl great uh the uh renowned quarterback who got himself into trouble with the lbgtq community so -called uh recently uh he had he was involved in a public service announcement where he was encouraging uh kids christian kids to bring their bibles to school for bring your bible to school day to demonstrate the love of jesus christ to their classmates and friends and when the lbgtq folks heard this especially because they caught wind of this bring your bible to school day having some connection with focus on the family which many in the left uh leftist totalitarian wing of politics uh view as nothing more than a hate group they uh brought the hammer down on drew breeze and something frightened him enough uh to make an apology after that i'm going to play that apology and i want you to respond to it when we come back to the from the final break but here's the apology whoops i didn't turn up the volume on here uh while i do this i want to uh remind you folks there are email addresses chris arnson at gmail .com

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chris arnson at gmail .com please as always give us your first name your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside the usa only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter i don't know why this volume is gonna do it again chris arnson at gmail .com

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chris arnson at gmail .com please give us a very negative headline that um i think led people to believe that somehow i was aligned with an organization that was uh anti -lgbtq um and and so on and so forth um i'd like to set the record straight um i live by two very simple christian fundamentals and that is love the lord with all your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself i think the first one is very self -explanatory the second one love your neighbor as yourself what does that mean to me that means love all respect all and accept all so that is actually how i live my life that is what i try to do with my family with my teammates with people in my community with my friends all people no matter your race your color your religious preference your sexual orientation your political beliefs it doesn't matter so the fact that these rumors have been spread about me are completely untrue what i did was i filmed a video recently that was encouraging kids to bring their bibles to school for national bring your bible to school day to bring your bibles to school to be able to live out your faith with confidence and i even gave one of my favorite bible verses it was as simple as that so i'm not sure why the negativity spread or why people try to rope me into certain negativity i do not support any groups that discriminate or that have their own agendas that are trying to promote inequality okay so hopefully that has set the record straight and we can all move on because that's not what i stand for have a great day well we're going to be back after this final commercial break and to get our guest brian glesman's reaction to drew breezes apology to the lgbtq so -called community and you can also submit your questions and we're running out of time so if you have a question please do so as quickly as possible chris arnson at gmail .com

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