September 23, 2019 Show with Rhyan Glezman on “The False Christianity of Pete Buttigieg: The Charade of Claiming Christ As Your Own While Celebrating Things Christ Hates”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. We're listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens Iron radio wishing you all a happy Monday on this 23rd day of September 2019.

And I'm thrilled to have for the very first time ever on iron sharpens iron radio Ryan Glesman who is brother of Pete Buddha judges so-called husband and Senior pastor of Community Church of God in Cleo, Michigan.

Today We are going to be addressing the false Christianity of Pete Buddha judge The charade of claiming Christ as your own while celebrating things Christ hates. And it's my honor and privilege To welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Ryan Glesman.

Yes, Chris. Thank you so much. It's my honor and privilege to be here with you this evening.

So thank you so much for having me on. Hey, my pleasure. And am I pronouncing your last name correctly?

It's Glesman. Yes, you said it correctly. Great.

Well before we go into your own personal testimony of salvation, which is our tradition here whenever we have a first-time guest Why don't you let our listeners know something more about the Community Church of God in Cleo, Michigan?

Yeah, our congregation is actually I kind of chuckle when I get these questions. I've been doing something different. Sure, we get, you know, kind of these questions of like tell me about your church and what I tell them is billion people.

And you know my heart behind that Chris so you can laugh with. And what I mean by that is the church are God's people. But yes our our local body of believers here in Cleo, Michigan. We're part of the Church of God.

Anderson, Indiana. Bible believe in church. No, we are Kool-Aid. We just we preach from the Biola community church. We love God love people and you know, I know that not all people who claim amen and if anybody wants more details.

Hopefully I'll remember to repeat this later but the website for the Church of God in the Community Church of God in Cleo, Michigan is Cleo community org and that's spelt CLIO Community org and as I said, hopefully I'll remember to repeat that again, especially towards the end of the program.

Well, as I said since you are a first-time Guest on iron trip and Zion radio we have a tradition when we have a first-time guest that is if that first-time guest is a Christian because once in a blue moon we have non Christians on for one particular reason or another.

They have something important to say that even Christians need to hear even if they are not themselves Christian. But the vast majority of times we interview Bible-believing born-again Christians, so tell us a summary of your Salvation testimony what kind of religious atmosphere if any you were raised in and what providential circumstances is our Lord?

Raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you. You know, I think you've my testimony.

I'm glad you said summary because I could go into great length on it. I was radically transformed by the power of God. But I grew up attending the Catholic Church Easter and Christmas was kind of the way we grew up.

We attended a church a Catholic Church. We went to church on Easter and Christmas. That was just what we did and to be honest Chris. I really doubted if God even existed growing up. I rebelled greatly against him.

I very quickly as I got into my later years in my junior year in my senior year in high school I'm just really rebelled hard against him. I was very much caught up in the the partying scene and the life that that brings pretty decent I'm not being boastful.

I was pretty decent at baseball and friend of mine I won't bring him into limelight yet. But there's a friend of mine that I always just thought there's something different about him I but looking back now, he's probably the only Christian I really ever came in Born-again Christian and he always just shared that his faith with me.

He always said there's a better way Orion, you know, I'm praying for you God has big plans for me always tell me that God always revealed these big plan for me and I said well I'm going to hell and I'm gonna have fun doing it.

I am glad it works for you and He just he always was in my life throughout sports. Well fast forward I went to college and believe it or not. We play the same baseball team went to Rochester College in Detroit.

And I don't think when I went to college, I don't even know the Christian school that tells you how naive I was and how Rebellious, I just want to play baseball. They gave me a scholarship to play baseball there, but they told me I had a sign up for I said James what did you get me into here and Long story short being that baseball again my friend had noticed that I'm still very much caught up in the partying scene and the drinking and the smoking and Just my view on life and he just continued it one day Burley sticks out to me.

He said you mind meeting me in my dorm room I really want to talk to you and he gave me a New Testament James, you know, I'm glad it worked for you and just really turned away. But he just shared the gospel with me and and I'm sure people are listening like wow.

Did he come to faith? I know I still didn't come to faith then I took the Bible he gave me and I had hometown and I did a lot of moving still very much partying and Living my life and throughout the moving.

I'd always come across that Bible. Everyone understands when you're packing things up you come across the Chris. I wanted to throw the Bible away. But something always told me that would be like sin of all sin is what I was thinking at that time.

Yeah, no one can throw the Bible away. So I just kept moving and there happened to be one day in particular. It was actually September 22nd is the day that I opened the Bible that James gave me ten years later after college.

I was just in a Part of my life where I was just at a low point. I knew there had to been. I felt like there had to been something more to life in the way I was living. I had a great job had lots of money at the time for my age.

I was doing very well, but just something was just empty. So I said, okay, I'm gonna challenge. So I went down my basement found this New Testament Bible. It's okay God If you're real. Like my friend tells me you are and what I hear if you're real make this Bible catch on fire.

Make just do something supernatural the Bible and God. I want you to do something that only you can do. And I'll believe in you. So I opened up the Bible and the very first verse that popped out to me was Matthew 10 33.

And I'll paraphrase it but it reads if you deny me before men I'll deny you for my father in heaven stated on and I read it and my well, I guess I'm right. I guess God isn't real. Well in the meantime on my wife at the time.

She had a college friend. I was married at the time and I my wife had a college friend from college. My wife's an artist and he had to come over and they were doing a project together. And I never met the man in my life.

She never really I didn't know he was an artist. I didn't know nothing about him. If you mind if he comes over he's gonna bring us work on this project. So he comes over and we're having a great conversation a very nice man right in the middle of our conversation.

We're having this great conversation. I don't know exactly what we were talking about the time. But we've had a great conversation go back and forth. You know, what do you do? I do this and that and You know, I don't know what you're what you believe in God.

I had at this point Christians completely out of the blue. He says God just told me to tell you something God wanted me to tell you if you deny me by what I'm about to share with you. You will deny you before God.

And I said, what did you just say? And he quoted the exact same verse I'd read in Wow. The exact same Bible. What's the chances of that? Right? And So I share with them and I didn't even tell my wife I went down.

Obviously, she knows today she knows my testimony, but I didn't tell anybody. I went down read it. So I met this man for the very first time didn't know he was a Christian. And God had revealed to him and from that moment forward.

I even fell to my knees. I bawled like a baby. I said, why am I crying because at that time I was a big rough rough party kind of guy. I didn't cry for nothing. And I'm sitting there crying and the Holy Spirit fell upon me in a supernatural way and from that day forward I just repented.

I probably gave the most messy prayer I've ever prayed in my life. I repented for everything I ever done. I go through a refrigerator. I threw every ounce of alcohol we had in the house and I threw it all in the garbage.

And I just completely changed my life over. I just felt a feeling like I never felt for the first time. I Realized what the message my friend have been sharing all along that I can be forgiven. I'm not too far gone that God did have a plan for me.

That very first Sunday after I get saved I walked into a Church down the road. Our local church is actually a First Church of God in st. Joe, Michigan. I walked in the front doors. I shook a bunch of hands and I said I told my testimony this just happened to me.

I'm your guy. What do you want me to do? I'm here to serve and from that day forward it's never been the same and that's still been my heart today. Wherever whenever whatever the Lord speaks. I'm obedient to him and that's that's my testimony in that show.

Radically transformed and it's never been the same set. And what when did you realize and how did you realize that God had placed the Call upon your life to enter into the ministry.

Yeah, that was a that was a process of back and forth fighting with God. You think after the supernatural encounter, so I owned a landscaping business and I really thought that was my ministry. I was hiring people that were maybe out of they were incarcerated.

They couldn't get jobs and I was hiring them. I really thought that that was my ministry and it really was for that period of time. And there's just this again this supernatural calling Lord kept telling me.

I want you to lead a church. I want you to lead a church. I Said I didn't grow up in the church. I mean, I went to church twice a year. I was afraid of the Bible. But I mean again to back up a little bit, but after I got saved I was so hungry for the word and still to this day.

I just started I went from hating reading to owning the library. I mean, I just I couldn't get enough. I still can't get enough. I just start diving in Florida my landscaping business. I'm just kept praying Lord Lord, whatever whatever and he kept telling me.

Well, you know We all have been there where we reject the Holy Spirit at times. I finally got to a point I just gave up. I said, okay Lord if you want me to be a pastor, this has to be on your will. Alright, I'm your you know, you make this so abundantly clear to me and I'll do it which had reached out to me in the community to God where I'm at now, actually and I got an email and We heard that you might be looking for a church.

I never sent a resume to anybody. Chris, yeah, they had reached out. They said that obviously I'd share with my lead pastor. But I never sent a resume to anybody my lead pastor never even at that time never reached out to this church.

So God has just been doing supernatural things in my life that you can't it's nothing short of a miracle in the way he works and So I did it at that moment. I just surrendered and I said, okay if you want me to be a lead pastor I'll be a lead pastor and that's where I'm at today.

So It was kind of probably a five-year process of me going back and forth with God. But God I'm doing such a great ministry here and he says yeah, you're doing a great ministry. This is what I want you to do.

So it just comes down to obedience and surrender and life today I I mean, I love that time of ministry ministry to people that were I couldn't get a job. So actually sold the business to a Christian a man that's still doing the same for the season that worked.

But this is where you want to meet today. So Now I'm on your show.

Well, I'm gonna give our listeners our email address if they have questions of their own for yes pastor Ryan Glesman Chris Arnzen a gmail .com Ch or is a RN Z and a gmail .com. Please as always give us your first name.

At least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the USA. Please only remain anonymous. If your question involves a personal and private matter perhaps you are Personally struggling with the sin of homosexuality and you obviously don't want to identify yourself.

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Obviously you have been thrust into media attention. Because you are the brother of the man that identifies himself as the husband of Pete Buddha judge The mayor of South Bend, Indiana running for president as an openly homosexual presidential candidate.

First of all when in your life and also let us know whether it was before or after your own conversion to Christianity. Did you first realize that your brother either was practicing homosexuality or was?

Drawn into that or had that inclination or proclivity or interest or desire.

Yeah, he I was not a Christian when he had come out to the family, I believe he was 18 years old at the time. He had he said he needed there were some tendencies leading up to that. Just with the crowd the people hanging out the marches he would go to.

So when he came out and to officially I guess you can say that he was come out of the closet I guess would be the term that they that they used today, but I think he was on 18 years old. I wasn't a Christian at the time my response at the time Was honestly not much different than it is today to be honest.

I mean We'll hold that thought for a second some people might be healthy. What do you mean? Your thought is a different what I mean by that. He said he was gay. I saw those The style is lifestyle that he was, you know kind of living at that time and he said I have to do this for myself I'm gay and at that time not being a follower, you know, we were like, okay, you know, it was no big surprise.

We didn't really treat him any different, you know in many ways the majority of my family embraced him probably even more. There was never this I was taken out of the house kind of mentality or nothing like that.

And now since being a follower of Jesus I what I mean by my response really isn't much different is okay. He Is saying he's gay. He needs to meet Jesus Christ personal again. We don't we don't I'm not pushing my brother away I'm sharing I'm standing on the truth of what scripture says because God is a loving God that loves us so dearly.

He gave us his word Because he loves us. So I love my brother I love all gay people exactly the same way and that's exactly why I share the good news of Jesus to my brother. Into the whole homosexual community.

So to answer your question when he came out, I believe he's 18, but there really was nothing Surprising about it. We we just kind of looked at him like okay. And we moved forward from there and still to this day, okay, you're identifying as gay, but Jesus loves you I love you, and that's why I share the good news with them.

And When did you first realize and how did you first become Knowledgeable of the fact that he had a relationship a sinful relationship With Pete Buddha judge. Was Pete Buddha judge already The mayor of South Bend, Indiana, or is this something that happened before people who judge entered into politics.

Just basically what. Approximate time and not only his life, but in your life. Did you discover this?

Yeah, obviously Chaston since the time he had come out Chaston's my brother and since he had come out gay He had many different partners. I mean Pete wasn't the very first person he ever brought home.

There was a same sex as my brother and When he met Pete, yes, he was the mayor of South Bend but again, I didn't view that any differently because No matter your popularity God's word still is his word on relationships and marriage.

So I really didn't view it any different from his previous partners before Pete or even after Pete and even after they got married. Because that question actually comes to me quite a bit an email form.

Families that are kind of going through a similar situation where you have a family member who's standing on the truth of God's Word but then a family member happens to Come out and say they're gay and how do we articulate this and a lot of people ask you about that?

Like is it different with him being married to now? No, he's a human being, you know I think popularity and the media try to draw more attention to a certain people and almost feels like well Maybe we should milk down the gospel more because he's a popular figure.

No, he's still a person. He's a human being creating the image of God who needs to understand the gospel and that's why I view it today. It doesn't matter on your popularity. It's still God's Word and it gets applied to all creation no matter Your status so that's how I come to the understanding.

Yes. He let the family know. I think he was Pretty excited to share that. Hey, my new boyfriend is a mayor of a town. But I didn't really fall into that at all. It's okay. He's a mayor. You need Jesus and that's still my approach that makes any sense.

Now a lot of people Not just those involved with homosexuality But those who are clinging to the idol of their sin, no matter what it is. It could be Drunkenness, it could be drug addiction. It could be a lot of different things and by saying this I don't.

I'm not I'm not saying That all sin is exactly equal. I'm not saying that either but People when they are confronted with a Christian Who is letting them know What you are doing is going to send you to hell.

You need to be covered by the blood of Christ. You need the forgiveness of Christ only Christ and his death on Calvary Can bring you into a position that is in right standing with God? You need to repent of this and abandon it and renounce it and So whatever the sin is people typically will take that even if it is said.

With the most compassionate tone of voice a Christian can muster even if it is said with tears in the person's eyes. Very often not all the time, but very often. This is viewed as hate speech. This is viewed as Something that is merely self-righteous hostility.

You could go on and on with the descriptions and I on how those that are in a defense mode of Their idol their their the idol of their sin. I go through now has your brother basically Come to view you as his enemy as someone who thinks that you are Innately superior and that That your motives come from hate or does he view you as?

Your erring but loving brother who just wants you to do wants him to do something that he disagrees with.

No, I think you're explain that's correct and you're exactly right. That's what happens in. That's what we're living in except for hours for conservative evangelicals. Exactly we are the most tolerant loving Compassionate people in the face of the planet because we're we're good people.

So but yeah, that's exactly where he's at and he's actually told me he thought you just don't view me as a human being and We kind of I'm constantly so I kind of explained it this way. I explained to him and he kind of.

And you can use many different analogies and maybe many maybe you've heard it maybe people listening. I've heard this analogy, but you know I kind of uses burning building kind of analogy of her if we really care for people and we'd love People and just say you're walking down the street and there is a home on fire and you can see people inside that need to be rescued.

What how loving would it be or how caring or compassionate would it be if you just walk by because I really hope that works out for him, I really hope Get out of that burning. Oh, I mean, right and And the people have to face it.

It's God's word. It's not my opinion. This is not my opinion and you're right. It doesn't matter. How come I'm some people do do it very wrong. I mean some people do I'll come across in a non-christian way, but I explained it to him I said, you know Jeff and I love you.

I care about I'd share this to anyone hopefully people are listening that maybe Caught up in this sin and it would just be the reason we share the good news of Jesus is because it's good news. It is good news.

It's like me walking by that home and call 9 -1. But not just calling that all up busting out the windows open the door getting people out of the fire and saving and rescuing them. Now I don't do the rescuing.

I don't do the saving. That's what Jesus did. I'm Calvary like you had mentioned, but I'm introducing you to the one who came and changed your life. So how loving would it be for me as not just his blood brother?

But just as a fellow human being how well would it be for me to say? I love all people care for all people. You know when I go to the doctor and say I have a really really terrible cancer a really bad illness.

I love him so much. I'm just not gonna tell the truth.

It's gonna break his heart. And some doctors some doctors tell their their family the family of the the patient not to tell them.

Right. I don't want that doctor, right? We love people we care for people. That's why now when I was very much caught up in sin with the drinking and partying and doing that I had to come to Understanding that it was sin.

It was wrong on the way. I viewed women was completely Unbiblical and I'd repent from that which repentance means to turn. It's not just saying God I'm sorry, it's to turn away and that's what we're not telling people to repent because he's going to hell.

We're saying we repent because we love you. You know every time Jesus had judgment from the Old Testament the New Testament. He always offered a way out. Every single time he gave warning he offered a way out and then when people still turn away from it.

That's what he instilled to this day. Jesus is the only way that cleanses from our sins. The only way to salvation. That's just plain and simple. We have to understand. It's God's Word. So we need to return.

I'll repent in turn to him. Amen.

Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.

That's why I share this. I know it's a long drawn-out answer, but I'm glad we have the time to do this because I want people to understand that that. Yes, it doesn't matter how compassionate we say but we are sharing the love of Christ because we truly love people.

As a doctor would tell you the truth.

We're not sure I don't know if you've ever seen the video and if you haven't I urge you to watch it the video with Pendulet, you know who pendulet is. I do but I'm not recalling on the video. Pendulet, he is the world-renowned Magician who really exposes how tricks are done.

He and his silent partner. Whose name escapes me right now. Who doesn't say anything on the stage and pen does only a teller? That's right. His silent partners tell her his magician partner, but pendulet is an atheist.

And he's a devout atheist a very militant atheist. But he has a YouTube video as soon as the show is over. I would Urge you to watch it look it up on YouTube. It's easily found and in fact even share it with your brother.

He was presented a Bible a Bible was presented to him I should say. By a fan of his after one of his acts perhaps it was in Vegas. I can't remember exactly where but the man said You know, basically you I am a huge fan of yours and I really admire your talent.

And I want you to have this Bible because I'm a Christian and I believe that your salvation depends upon Your embracing Christ and you're entering into heaven for eternity.

Is all.

Hinged upon whether you repent and trust in Christ and I don't say this out of arrogance or self-righteousness I say because that's what I truly believe and I really care about you and pendulet. Even though he's an atheist.

He admired this man Greatly, and he said he said how much do you have to hate someone? To believe that they need Christ in order to enter into heaven for eternity and not tell them that. Right. He recognized that this was an act of love.

Whereas many people. And name and many people who react as. If you are spewing hate speech upon them, they may not really believe that that's a I believe that very often. That's just a defense mechanism to Shift the attention away from their own.

Refusal to let go of an idol that they know is wrong. From Romans 1 we know that your brother and every homosexual and every sinner that is Clinging on to an idol all the way through the gates of hell.

They know that that's that sin no matter what they may tell you the Romans. Romans 1 is clear about that, but I Think that you should share that with your brother and perhaps we'll share it with Pete Buddha judge.

And who knows maybe the Lord will do a miracle with that even but so what is your? Your relationship as a brother like today with the the tension that must exist between him knowing that you believe that unless he repents he will on he will tragically be in hell along with Pete Buddha judge if he does not repent and especially since He is in the limelight with Pete Buddha judge while Pete is running for president and you are having thrust into the media.

Limelight. Where people are are interviewing you such as myself and people like Tucker Carlson and others.

What is the relationship like? I mean, I'll just put it bluntly. It's it's broken, but I Jesus is all about redemption, right? So That's what I pray. That's what I send. That's what the emails I send in the private messages.

I thought it's a one-way street right now. I send text. I send emails. I don't give up. I call. I wrote actually a very nice email. I didn't get a response from. I wrote a nice email as he was going on.

The campaign just about what we're talking about today, you know. Just how well I truly love people and I love you guys. I want the best for him. That's why I'm sharing the truth of that and I if I have the time I'd like to share a real neat Testimony of really I have another brother my middle brother.

And he doesn't mind me sharing we talk very often. But I have a middle brother named Dustin and and I'm just gonna share this kind of fuels why I keep sharing with them.

Yeah. In fact, if you could bring up this story right after we come back from our first break as we have to go to our First station break. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and don't forget about Dustin's story that you want to tell.

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