Apologia Radio W/ Cultish: Martial Arts and the Occult
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- No, with my nose. Yeah, exactly. I can only make that sound with my mouth because you did so well with your nose.
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- Well, the funniest thing is, too, is that some people have messaged us on Cultish and said, Hey, you should get
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- Jeff Durbin on sometime. And I'm like, oh, yeah, we should totally have. Hopefully we can get him on, even though you're initially kind of the co -host along with me.
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- But the funniest thing about the very first episode, we were like, Jerry, Jeremiah. The very first episode when I started,
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- I was like, I want to take myself seriously. You're going to call me by my full name. And you were struggling the whole time. There's so many times where you're like,
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- Jerry, Jeremiah. Jerry, Jeremiah. I don't even try.
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- Yeah, it's hard to do. I've known Jerry and I've known each other since we were kids, since we were 18 and 16.
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- Little wee babes. Little wee lads outside the Mormon temple in Mesa, Arizona. So today we're going to be doing a show talking about the martial arts and the occult.
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- And I'm sure this is going to be somewhat broad. But we are going to also have some sniper fire talking about a specific style, ninjutsu, and the connection to the occult and those sorts of things.
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- And so we have a guest on with us that's going to join us in this discussion. And let's just sort of let's just go with it.
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- Jerry, introduce our guest and let's start the conversation. Yeah. So, Justin, is your last name, do you pronounce it
- 06:13
- Joss or how do you pronounce your last name? Jones. Jones. OK. So, Justin, we chatted about a year ago and you were just telling me a little bit about your testimony.
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- Did you just ask him how he pronounces his last name? Is it Jones? Yeah. How do you spell that?
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- How do you say your last name? Is it Jonas? Is it Jonas? Is it
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- Jonas? How do you say it? It's Jones, bro. Well, the way your last name is spelled on Facebook, that's why
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- We spend so much time together. On this show, we cannot uphold Jerry's dignity on this show.
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- Cultish, he wants to be taken very serious as Jeremiah. Hello, my name is Jeremiah, the host of Cultish.
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- Well, you're on Apology Radio now, bro. Today he brought Rufus with him. That's right. Let's go,
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- Rufus. This is the old me. Can't take yourself too seriously. By the way, a little insider information. His name is
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- Rufus here. We call him Rufus. His alter ego. Jerry's probably hating us right now.
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- He's like, I'm trying to uphold my professional Jeremiah from Cultish.
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- No, anyone who's seen The Secret Life of Walter Mitty. I've been telling this story a lot lately, actually.
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- Yeah, go ahead, tell it. Justin, I'm sorry, man. This is going to go off the rails a lot. Sorry, Jonas. Jonas. Mr.
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- Johannes. No, because we had a lot of outsiders. When I say outsiders,
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- I mean people not from here within our church at Man Camp and stuff, and so I was telling the Walter Mitty story a lot.
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- So if you've seen The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, which is a very, very good movie. Yeah, yeah. That's Jerry.
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- When I saw it. We call it The Secret Life of Rufus. I went and saw it with my family, and as soon as it was over, like my wife and I were talking in the movie.
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- Oh my goodness, it's Jerry. I get him though. And as soon as it was over, I messaged Jerry. I said, dude, you have to go
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- The Secret Life of Walter Mitty because it's you. It's you. I felt so insecure watching it.
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- Was Ben Stiller like have a team spying on him? I know, exactly. It's Jerry. It's based off of your life story.
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- So anyways, Justin Jones. Dude, so we were chatting a year ago.
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- Now that I officially have no credibility whatsoever. But yeah, man.
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- So you just tell me just a little bit about – we chatted. It's been a while, but you have a kind of interesting story because we're talking about martial arts and the occult.
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- Talk about how you got into – it was ninjutsu, and that became a catalyst to kind of get into some stuff.
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- And you had some very interesting supernatural experiences. Tell me about that. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, well, it started off – long story short, since I was a kid,
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- I mean like five years old, very interested in martial arts. I hadn't even made it to kindergarten yet, and I was already interested in it.
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- And you've got to think back. I'm 38. This would be 39. We didn't have cable TV, and we didn't have satellite back then.
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- It was just word of mouth and things that I heard that I was like, yeah, that's what I want. And I was a five -year -old. And I would say things to people like that, and they would say, you know, you're too young to understand that.
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- So when I was in middle school, there was a karate class that opened up, and I was dead set on training.
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- I was dead set. It was one of those things that, you know, as a child, you ask your parents for permission for certain things.
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- But this was one of those things where I was like, I've got to do this. But in the back of my mind,
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- I always had heard of ninjutsu, ninjutsu, you know, the art of the ninja. And I know that sounds cliché.
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- I know it sounds corny. I promise you I do. But I ran into a friend of mine when
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- I was 19, skipping ahead many years, and he said he was training in Macon, Georgia.
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- And long story short, I had been training in karate for a long time. But I told him,
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- I said, I'm not leaving right now, this conversation that me and you are having, until you give me your number.
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- Because we had lost touch, one of those friends, and I can get in contact with you, and I'm going to train with you on Saturday.
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- And he said, well, I'll have to contact the instructor. You have to be invited to the class before you can come.
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- And I was like, do whatever you got to do because I'm coming. And he was like, OK. And so anyway, he did.
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- And I got a hold of the instructor. And the instructor, of course, you know, yeah, tell him to come on up. And from that moment on, it was 12 to 15 years of solid training.
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- And it didn't stop. And it just kept going. And then I got out of it because I realized what was going on.
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- But I'd like to fill in the details later on. But that's kind of the gist of the story. Yeah. So it's interesting because when we engage in this discussion of the martial arts,
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- I mean, I saw someone in the feed here saying they're taking mixed martial arts now. That's wonderful. I'm so passionate about the martial arts.
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- I love the martial arts. I train as much as I can. I was just training before I came here. I throw a couple hundred kicks and punches a day.
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- I do like an hour and a half of martial arts training at least three times a week. I've never lost my love for it.
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- I competed all through my teenage and young adult years. I went to all the most important tournaments in the country, won those, won the grand championships, and went to the
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- Junior Olympics and did Ninja Turtles and all that stuff. And so I'm super passionate about it. And so oftentimes within the
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- Christian community, people will often approach it in terms of like pacifism, like Christians shouldn't learn self -defense or engage in self -defense because we just seem to be pacifists.
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- We've done a lot on that, refuted that biblically with the Word of God.
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- That sort of perspective really destroys a lot of God's reputation in Scripture. Let's put it that way.
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- And so you have texts in Scripture that say things like Psalm 144. That's part of the songs.
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- If we were singing the psalms, maybe we wouldn't be pacifists. But there needs to be like a proper order of categories and thinking when you think about the martial arts.
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- There is the martial arts that is focused upon combat, self -defense, pain compliance, protecting victims, protecting yourself, protecting your family, the preservation of life in a fallen world.
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- And it's just a focus upon combat. You're focusing on how does the human body work? How is it able to move?
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- And how can I stop it from hurting me? Or how can I use my body to hurt the person? Very important things.
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- And I would say police officers and military people are very thankful for the martial arts and the martial arts tradition that gives them the ability to control somebody who's acting like an animal.
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- And so it's very, very important. But then there's another aspect that you have to acknowledge. As much as I love the martial arts, as much as I'm passionate about it,
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- I love for everybody to learn some self -defense. I think it's important, especially for men, to learn some self -defense.
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- I recognize, and we recognize, and we'll get into this here, even in discussing ninjutsu, that there are elements to martial arts training that Christians must avoid.
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- You have to avoid. You have to not compromise with because they're deadly and dangerous.
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- They would fall into the category of what I read at the beginning of the show in Deuteronomy 18, and that's God's forbidding his people to engage in practices that try to communicate with the dead, divination, sorcery, that sort of stuff.
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- And yes, there are martial arts systems that are hitched up together with the occult.
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- I've mentioned before you can look at something like tai chi. The system was built upon the philosophy and worldview.
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- The moves themselves arise out of the—first of all, it's a garbage combat system.
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- But the moves themselves arise out of the philosophical worldview situation with chi power and all of these points of energy in your body connecting to the earth and all that nonsense.
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- But you have a system like—this is interesting, too. I'm going to ask you about this, Justin. I'm going to ask you to engage with this because I would say ninjutsu has its deficiencies, as does every martial arts system.
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- Like Brazilian jiu -jitsu people are like, just engage in Brazilian jiu -jitsu. I'm like, well, you're in big trouble if you get attacked in a parking lot with two attackers and all you've been doing is
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- Brazilian jiu -jitsu. Is it the best ground game there is? No question. Absolutely.
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- Brazilian jiu -jitsu, the best in terms of on -the -ground grappling, nothing better. But it has its deficiencies.
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- If you don't recognize it, it's just prideful. Ninjutsu has good stuff to it, but it also has its deficiencies.
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- But ninjutsu also, even with the really positive stuff, it has an element to it.
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- And I engage in this as well, Justin. I got into this before as a professing believer. I got into ninjutsu because I was like you.
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- I grew up idolizing the ninjas and ninjas in movies and American Ninja.
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- I broke the tapes. I watched it so much. I wanted to do ninjutsu.
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- So I want to kick this over to you. I got into it. And in order to get into it the way I was, you were learning techniques.
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- But also, I was being told by my instructors, the guys who were teaching me, you need to do this too. And so I had this situation in my room where for hours a night
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- I was going into a dark room, and I was trying to do remote viewing. I was trying to be able to get out of my body so you could view the enemy.
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- And so I was trying to do transcendental meditation, all that stuff, remote viewing. And let me just tell you, some scary and spooky stuff arose out of that.
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- Could you engage with that? What we're talking about here is the distinction between the greatness of the combat in the system and then also what do you need to worry about as a
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- Christian? Yeah, yeah, big time. And I agree with everything you just said. And I'll add some more to my story that I didn't say while I go.
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- Like you said, I'm very appreciative of the martial arts and very appreciative of everything I learned. I don't want to sound cocky.
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- I feel good about myself if something was to arise and I had to protect my family, let's say it that way, because I have a wife and three daughters, and I'll do anything to protect them.
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- So combat, protecting your loved ones is something that a man should do, is something the head of the household should do and be responsible for.
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- Our culture has went the way of not that kind of man, but we need to bring our culture back to that kind of man.
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- But what you said as far as the remote viewing and all the different situations like that was tied into the martial art that I was training in.
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- And so, like you said, there's aspects of it that can be very good. But the remote viewing, the meditation, one of the things before class starts, you come in and you bow.
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- And in karate, we have a traditional bow, which you just bow to the instructor and it's showing respect for the instructor.
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- But with a ninjutsu, you come in and I wasn't told what was going on here. There was a thing that looked like a little house on the wall above your head on a shelf.
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- And when I came in, I was like, that was kind of strange, you know. But I was told that, hey, look, this is showing respect for Japan.
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- We're bowing to it to show respect for the grandmaster over there, the teacher over there.
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- Looks like we lost the feed there. So while we're getting that back. And that kind of thing. Never mind.
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- OK, we're jumping in and out. Justin, can you hear us? OK.
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- Can you hear me now? Yeah, I can hear me. Yeah, I can hear you right now. OK, so we lost you where you're talking about bowing at the house, showing respect to the instructor in Japan.
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- OK. All right, I'll do this.
- 18:01
- Gabe, try to get that feed reconnected there. See if we can do that. And while we're talking about your number 12 was when you asked.
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- He doesn't even know the work. Yeah, he doesn't know. So, Gabe, go ahead and kill his feed and try to restart him. Get him back in here.
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- And if you can, Gabe, can I show a video while you're doing that? Will that be a problem? Yes. OK, it will be a problem or I can do it.
- 18:24
- You can. I can. OK. All right. So while we try to get that feed reignited and get settled with that,
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- I want to kind of show everyone what we're talking about. So when we talk about the distinction between like the the combat aspect of the art and then the occultism that could be a part of that art or that system.
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- I want to show you what I mean by that. Like there are benefits here that would work for law enforcement.
- 18:51
- They would work. And certainly these moves work in self -defense situations. You know, not not everything.
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- I mean, when you get into a combat situation, your adrenaline is pumping. You're going to lose your fine motor skills and those sorts of things.
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- So there are certain systems where like they've got some good moves, but it's like, can you really throw that in a fight when you're fighting multiple attackers, maybe with weapons or like your adrenaline is just pumping?
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- And I mean, you don't even have use of your fine motor skills. So is it really useful? But I'm going to show you like, look, this is good stuff.
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- That's just combat oriented from from ninjutsu. Here it is. So you see, sometimes that's really great stuff.
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- I mean, police officers need to know this stuff. They need to be actually well versed in this stuff. I was recently working with some
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- Navy SEALs. We were doing some training and I was like, just I said, just take me down. Like, how would you take an attacker down?
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- You know, you know, not obviously not kill me with your weapon, but like, how would you take me down and control me? What would you do for pain compliance?
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- And they showed me and there was just little things you could show them from different martial arts that they were freaking out over there. Like, this is game changing.
- 20:41
- And they were able to use, you know, different ways you can hold the wrist, lock the wrist, put them into a chicken wing, those sorts of things. This is all really good stuff.
- 20:47
- And this isn't in any way connected to any occultism or anything else. I mean, this is just straight combat.
- 20:53
- How does the body work? How do you break the wrist and the elbow and the shoulder? How do you lock somebody to the ground? How do you use their energy?
- 20:59
- Not their spiritual energy, but like literally their force against them. And so this stuff is all good and appropriate.
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- But let's talk more about the ninjutsu aspect with the occultism and like where it led you. We lost you where you were talking about bowing to this thing that you were told it was showing respect to Japan and to the grandmaster in Japan.
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- But let's go from there. Right. Can you guys hear me? We can hear you now. Okay. Yeah. So we're bowing down to this thing.
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- And so I jump ahead 12 years and I find out 12 years into it that it's actually a temple, a shrine.
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- So in that 12 year process of figuring out that was a shrine and not just showing respect to Japan, we're bowing down to foreign or false gods.
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- And so a lot of things sort of happened in that 12 year period. That was very demonic in nature. Supernatural experiences.
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- We were taught remote viewing, like you was talking about a while ago, Jeff. I have experience in that. I can tell you we can touch on that or wherever else you want to talk to.
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- But a lot of the same things you went through. Yeah. Weren't you talking, Justin, about when you were sort of getting into remote viewing as you're progressing in ninjutsu.
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- Historically, was that something that they would use sort of like because, you know, the thing that they are known for is just being very stealth like.
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- Espionage, yeah. Yeah, espionage. Would they utilize astral projection or remote viewing to kind of view what's in the next room before they ambush it?
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- Yeah. Yeah. Because if you think about combat, the ultimate thing in combat is what every military around the world is doing right now.
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- And that is to figure out what your next enemy's move is. So if you can predict your enemy's next move, you've got a pretty good hand in cards there.
- 22:42
- Yeah. And it's something you can actually learn about this today. There's some really crazy experiments that our government was involved in with the occult in even the last generation.
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- And they dabbled in remote viewing and those sorts of things. I mean, it seems nuts and seems crazy conspiracy theory kind of stuff.
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- But it's the truth. You can look it up. I mean, our government was dabbling in remote viewing and all the rest to try to figure out can we…
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- See eyes? Yeah. Can we view our enemy from afar? Can we even kill an enemy via remote viewing?
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- And the only way into that world is through sorcery, divination, and all the rest.
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- And so when I was learning ninjutsu, and I wasn't doing it full time, but I had somebody who was teaching me ninjutsu wherever I had spaces.
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- I was training for competition, and I loved ninjutsu at the time because I grew up, again, idolizing ninjas.
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- But when I was learning it, I was taught the keys to meditation, the rules of meditation.
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- And I was taught specifically, I'll never forget, I was taught to specifically try, after I got my body into a state of meditation or even a trance, to essentially try to escape my own body and begin going into my neighborhood.
- 23:56
- I was told to try to essentially get out of your body and literally walk a mile from your house and those sorts of things.
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- And there was some crazy stuff that was happening in my life once I let that into my house, and I wasn't even a
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- Christian yet. And we can go on for days about the stories and my experiences. But yeah, it is true.
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- There was a connection to the art, to that occultism, and that must be avoided as a
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- Christian. You can't compromise with it. You can't say, well, just turn a blind eye to it. That's occultism.
- 24:29
- It's divination, sorcery. It's engaging with communication with the dead at times. And so we have to abandon that sort of a thing.
- 24:36
- And I want to just highlight one more time the difference between a combat system.
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- Like, say, for example, let's name some. Muay Thai. Combat karate system.
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- Taekwondo. Wing Chun. Even Kenpo.
- 24:54
- You have Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu. Judo. Those systems are built as a martial science, a fighting science.
- 25:03
- Like, this is my area of specialty. I'm going to work the ground. What's the best way to overcome an attacker on the ground?
- 25:09
- This is my area of specialty, Judo. How do I take the person's force and power, make them fall down, flip them over me?
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- That sort of a thing. Like, they have an area of specialty, and they focus on the martial science aspect. All of that you can do totally detached from any worldview issues that, say, the practitioners had when they were creating the science behind the arts.
- 25:33
- But, you know, there's no disconnecting some systems. You have to be honest about that. Some systems like Tai Chi or Qigong or whatever, you can't take away the occultism from it because the occultism was first.
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- The worldview was first, and then it grew from those worldview issues into the techniques.
- 25:56
- The techniques flow from the worldview or philosophy. There's a major difference between that and, say,
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- Muay Thai, where you're kicking a banana tree. You know what I'm saying? How do
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- I throw this bone into my attacker's leg in such a way that he can't stand up again?
- 26:15
- Nothing there has anything to do with the occult. I mean, it's just pure scientific method of how do
- 26:20
- I throw this sharp bone into the nerve on the leg and make him fall down? Moving on, and this would be interesting, too.
- 26:31
- I did see someone in the thread, and this is such a—I'm so passionate about this discussion. I could do a whole show just talking about this.
- 26:36
- Someone in the thread was seeing the ninjutsu moves that I was saying. That's just the combat aspect. These are helpful things that can help police officers and all the rest.
- 26:43
- They were like, well, that'd be great if the attacker let you do all those things. There is a space available while you're trying to learn how to apply these moves.
- 26:52
- No one's saying—when you see a setup like this and how to grab the arm and then put him into a wing and lock him down to the ground, no one's saying that's exactly how it's going to look in a fight.
- 27:03
- Martial artists aren't training like that. They're not saying this is exactly how it's going to look. You do have to practice the move, and you have to find your way inside.
- 27:12
- I personally—and I hope I'm not offending anybody here. I apologize if you're offended. This is just my opinion.
- 27:19
- I think I could back it up with some facts, but I personally believe that there are systems that do train their students in such a way where they're giving them an unrealistic perspective of what combat really is.
- 27:33
- I kind of believe Kenpo falls into that personally in many ways. There are some useful things in Kenpo, like with the elbows and how they'll strike the groin and those sorts of things.
- 27:42
- There are some. I'm not saying every aspect of it. But I'll give you an example. Here's an example of training in Kenpo and sort of how the moves will flow, where some people might have a—you might have a point if you say, well, that's just really unrealistic.
- 27:56
- I'd say, yeah, yeah, I understand you're saying that's unrealistic training. Here you go. My right arm's going to continue to orbit hammer fist. I'm going to circle.
- 28:02
- I'm going to shuffle up. I have an optional eye rake here, by the way. I'm going to shuffle up. Elbow smash or staggered break is fine.
- 28:08
- And then I'm going to crossover. So this is going to be together. So I'm going to hit crossover with a hammer fist.
- 28:16
- I've had the face here. As I unpivot, I've got elbow. I'm pivoting to a neutral jaw, neck.
- 28:22
- Load my right hand, floating rib on the left, hand sword. Open my left foot as I hit the jaw hinge.
- 28:29
- Start to rotate them. Right side kick inside of the left knee. Sorry, his right knee.
- 28:34
- And then cross out. And then cover out, baby. Cover out. Is that Ben Stiller? Yeah. Well, the big thing about the kenpo and how they would do these demonstrations, and I remember taking kenpo karate when
- 28:44
- I was in high school, is that there's just this immediate assumption that if you hit, if you strike this person, they're going to react in this exact way.
- 28:53
- You call it autonomic response. Right. So if you hammer fist someone in the groin, you just immediately it's going to be like a movie, like, oh, and they're going to bend over.
- 29:00
- Well, what if they're on fentanyl or they're on some sort of drug and they're totally oblivious to any sort of pain whatsoever?
- 29:07
- Or what if they're just on adrenaline or just something like that happens? There's plenty of times where someone gets hit in the lower proximity and it isn't until like 20 seconds later that pain kicks in.
- 29:16
- So the idea that immediately it's just going to be this, oh, going to go down, hit him in the elbow. It's just unrealistic expectations.
- 29:22
- Not only that, there's this immediate assumption that, oh, well, if you go and you grab their hand, you snap, and you're going to break their elbow, then knock the elbow down.
- 29:32
- Well, you can't actually stimulate a broken elbow because that would be problematic. Your dojo would not last that long if you're breaking everyone's elbows.
- 29:41
- But there's just this assumption that, oh, well, this is exactly what's going to happen. They're going to react this exact way if you break this certain bone.
- 29:50
- Yeah. You can only take that to a certain level. That's a good point. You can only take it so far. So when we're trying to separate out the combat aspect from the spiritism and all the spiritual stuff that happens in the occultism and the martial arts, acknowledging like you've got some useful stuff in every system, but every system has its deficiencies without question.
- 30:08
- Everyone has to acknowledge that. If you don't acknowledge that, then you are seriously prideful, and you're going to get hurt. You have to acknowledge also, yes, that there are some forms of martial arts that are just nonsense, garbage.
- 30:20
- And like you said before the show, you're lying to people. If you're taking money from people to train them to defend themselves and you're teaching this garbage, you're hurting people.
- 30:29
- You're lying to people. I mean I had people come to me while I was a martial arts instructor for my own school and many other schools.
- 30:35
- They'd be black belts in other schools. They'd come to my school, and we'd start them back over again and white belt again. They'd start over at the very bottom because I'm like,
- 30:42
- I'm sorry. You have to start over. You are not legitimately a black belt.
- 30:48
- You're not qualified to defend yourself. Some of the stuff looks flashy.
- 30:55
- It's fun. Just quickly, there's a difference between Bruce Lee and the
- 31:00
- Tao of Jeet Kune Do, the Way of the Intercepting Fist, where he teaches in that book strategies that are – you can see he knows what he's talking about.
- 31:08
- No one's saying that he's the best martial artist who ever lived, but if you read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, you can see the science behind what he's saying is really, really cool, and some of the stuff is very, very useful.
- 31:17
- The Navy SEALs are grateful for some of that because that trickled its way into their fighting system as well. But there's a difference between Bruce Lee and the
- 31:24
- Tao of Jeet Kune Do and Bruce Lee in End of the Dragon or Fists of Fury or anything. He's putting on a show, right?
- 31:31
- I mean, it's beautiful. It's an art. So it's martial arts because it's also very beautiful. It's very cool.
- 31:37
- So there's aspects like it doesn't work at all, and there's other parts where it's like this is just performance and art. You can respect that and appreciate it.
- 31:43
- And with that, I'll say as much as I diss Kempo, it's kind of unrealistic to say
- 31:48
- I'm going to hit the guy 15 times, and he's going to stand there. He's just sort of like, ugh, right?
- 31:54
- And then cover out. You train in that. And by the way, I taught in a Kempo school. Not Kempo, but I was an instructor who came in to help with quality there for some of their stuff, and I would sit there and watch.
- 32:06
- The training, they would just be hitting 15, 20 times and then always stomp the groin afterwards and then cover out sort of a thing.
- 32:12
- And I was like, I just don't think that's very realistic. But some of it looks fun and good.
- 32:18
- Like, for example, if you guys are like 80s kids, then you know about Jeff Speakman in The Perfect Weapon, baby.
- 32:23
- Like this scene, this famous scene from The Perfect Weapon, Jeff Speakman was sort of like the
- 32:29
- Kempo hero. He did Kempo. Jean -Claude Van Damme, fun movies, terrible martial artist, awful martial artist.
- 32:37
- Jeff Speakman was like the Kempo karate guy, and here's that scene. Is this what you want?
- 32:48
- Huh? You want this? You want my money? You want to take it? Woo! That was fun.
- 33:00
- I'm going to get my wallet back, and I'll see you dudes later. Hey, so Justin, I have a question too.
- 33:06
- So jumping back, this is kind of like a layered question too. Maybe Jeff and Justin, you can both give me your thoughts on this.
- 33:13
- One, Justin, maybe you both can just share further ideas about what were some other experiences you saw as you got further into ninjutsu.
- 33:23
- Initially you were going in there just with this interest in martial arts, and now you start getting into astral projection, some transcendental meditation.
- 33:29
- You're bowing down to something which is a shrine. Talk about, give examples of just further supernatural experience.
- 33:37
- Jeff, you can do this too, but I think the conversation we should have, because some people take the approach similar to yoga.
- 33:44
- When we've done episodes on yoga, some people say, oh, well this is just, it's really a physical exercise, but that just so happens to have some spiritual components.
- 33:54
- And so we did an episode where we made the argument, no, yoga is fundamentally a spiritual practice.
- 34:00
- I mean, the whole idea of yoga means yoke with different gods of Hinduism. But that's a question too.
- 34:06
- Some people have asked the same question about martial arts. Is it something that's fundamentally spiritual, and are the physical aspects just a byproduct of that?
- 34:15
- Some people have taken that same argument, which I think is a legitimate argument in regards to yoga, and have applied that to martial arts.
- 34:21
- So maybe give me your thoughts, Justin. I mean, give us some examples of other supernatural experiences you had, because you did.
- 34:28
- Jeff talked about the very beginning of the, what it said in scripture about crossing over. But then giving all your experiences and knowing what you know now, how do you differentiate between the two?
- 34:39
- And once you're done doing that, Jeff, maybe you can give me your thoughts. Sure. I'll give you a few experiences, and then
- 34:44
- I'll go back to you. One of the experiences I had, as far as astral projection goes, was
- 34:50
- I used to be in law enforcement, and I was a sergeant on the basic patrol. I left there and became a special agent with Drug Task Force under the
- 34:57
- GBI, which is like Georgia's FBI. One of the incidents that I had, I had this lady that I worked with.
- 35:05
- She had a certain temperament and attitude, and I told her I was going to figure it out why she was that way.
- 35:11
- And she said, certainly, see if you can figure it out then. Because I told her I was into the training and stuff, and she was curious too.
- 35:18
- So I went home and sat down one evening and I meditated. And when I meditated, I could see things happening in my head.
- 35:25
- And so I went back to her a few days later, which was the next shift I actually worked with her on patrol, and I told her point blank to her face,
- 35:32
- I said, the reason you are the way you are, the reason you're in law enforcement, the way you act, the way you are is because you've been raped before.
- 35:38
- And she stopped and almost started crying. And she's like, I've never told anybody that in my life.
- 35:44
- It happened to me, and I wanted to get law enforcement because I wanted to make sure it would never happen to another female.
- 35:50
- Some of the supernatural experiences as far as demonic goes, I used to live in an apartment in Millersville, Georgia.
- 35:57
- And when I first started getting into that aspect of the training, I would go to sleep.
- 36:02
- One of the first experiences I had, I went to sleep one night, and I woke up with this very, very strange feeling in the room.
- 36:08
- And it was traditional, hot ceilings, you know, probably like eight foot tall. And I was looking,
- 36:14
- I could see the light shining in from the streetlight. And I look over to the right side of the room because I could feel like something was over there.
- 36:22
- And I looked with just my eyes. And at this time, I realized I can't physically move.
- 36:28
- But all I could look and see is out of the corner of my eyes, I could see something, no details, but like a silhouette of a head and shoulders.
- 36:36
- And it was a solid shadow. And the ceiling was about, like I said, eight foot tall. Whatever this entity was, was taller than the ceiling.
- 36:43
- And it was crouched over, leaning into the room. And this, you know, like first experience
- 36:49
- I had, I was like, whoa, you know, what is going on? I couldn't move. I was physically terrified. And then from that point on,
- 36:57
- I had so many experiences with the occult type mysticism or whatever you want to call it.
- 37:05
- I've had my, I've been, I'd go to sleep at night and I would wake up with my arm being pulled off the bed.
- 37:11
- Or I'd go to sleep at night with my leg being, I'd wake up to something touching me. And it would be my leg being snatched, pulling me off the bed.
- 37:19
- And when I say a lot of experience for the, for the next eight to nine years, it was constant.
- 37:25
- Which then developed, turned into me developing an alcohol problem, which God delivered me from completely.
- 37:30
- I don't drink. I don't drink anymore. But because the only way I could go to sleep without being bothered was to be.
- 37:36
- And that was the negativity in law enforcement was to be highly intoxicated so that I can sleep without being hindered in any way.
- 37:44
- So that was my escape from that. But God delivered me from that too. So I'm very thankful for that. But that was some of my experiences.
- 37:51
- So, but there's plenty more. Yeah. And then, so right now, given all that, and those are some very interesting experiences now.
- 37:57
- So given everything you know now, you said you're still a lover and practitioner of martial arts. What are your thoughts on that?
- 38:02
- Because there's some people who will take, will throw the baby with the bathwater and just say no. Every aspect of it is fundamentally spiritual.
- 38:09
- Like what's your approach? How do you personally differentiate between the two? No, I agree with everything that Jeff said at the beginning of the episode where he was differentiating between the two.
- 38:20
- There's plenty of systems that you can go into that is solely combative. It's teaching you to step here and a step there.
- 38:27
- And I will also like to add this to about the guy that made the comment. It would be nice if somebody would actually punch or kick you that way.
- 38:34
- Well, the thing is, is when you're learning highly developed martial arts, just like a little kid, you don't teach them to write cursive day one.
- 38:40
- You teach them block letters. You teach them A big, B big. And then later on, they write smaller and then more cursive.
- 38:48
- And then their signature becomes their own. So you can't be a master fighter day one.
- 38:54
- And nobody enters any field in life with that kind of ability. If you are, then you are like some kind of godsend or something.
- 39:02
- But most people have to learn step A, step B, step C. Yeah, that's right.
- 39:07
- Yeah. And, you know, my my own experience when
- 39:12
- I started dabbling in the occult with, you know, because when I grew up, it wasn't anything like that at all.
- 39:19
- I mean, I grew up in Japan and Holland. I started with Judo. And then in Japan, it was two systems as a combat karate system.
- 39:25
- It's it was this it was this combat system where like everything comes from, like in terms of Judo, Aikido, Hapkido, Jiu Jitsu, Jiu Jitsu.
- 39:32
- It's like it makes a line from that original combat system where it was like hands and feet throwing grappling.
- 39:38
- It was all together. But then then these other groups started specializing in different aspects of it. Like Hapkido is a specialized art that comes from that original system.
- 39:47
- Jiu Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a specialized art that comes originally from that Japanese Jiu Jitsu train.
- 39:54
- And everything I was learning was just combat. Like my instructor, my first day of class threw me in a corner. There was no kids in the classes, only adults in Japan.
- 40:02
- And he he put me in a corner and he made me do a horse stance and showed me reverse punches at the wall and said, don't move your shoulders.
- 40:08
- Stay rock solid. You got to train not to move your shoulders to telegraph your moves to your opponent. Sit there in this horse stance.
- 40:14
- And it was one hour of punching at a wall and a horse stance with reverse punches. I don't know why I ever went back because it was so painful and he was so mean to me.
- 40:22
- But I was so passionate about learning how to fight and learning the martial arts that I just kept going. But everything
- 40:27
- I was doing, like even in my combat taekwondo system in Japan, that was just a fighting school.
- 40:33
- I mean, they didn't allow parents in the classroom in that room. Parents weren't allowed to view classes because if parents ever saw what they were doing to us.
- 40:41
- I mean, some of that stuff was like crimes against humanity. Trust me. I mean, if they did not let parents view what was going on in there because those guys were were awesome teachers.
- 40:53
- And they made us, they taught us how to fight because you had to learn. Every day felt like you were fighting for your life in that class.
- 40:59
- And I'm not kidding about that. I mean, you were allowed to wear a cup in that class and a mouthpiece. And that was,
- 41:05
- I mean, I'm saying that was the only thing required. And you didn't wear hand pads. You didn't wear feet pads, headgear. That would help the guy you were sparring if you wore the foot pads.
- 41:13
- And so everyone was just bare bones out, full out striking. The goal in your each fighting thing was like knock the guy back, knock him down, knock him out of the ring.
- 41:25
- So like that was like, that's what you're moving for. Every time you fought in class, it was that. Knock him back, knock him down, knock him out of the ring.
- 41:31
- This is how you're winning the fights. And man, I'll tell you, I got knocked out cold. Cold knocked out.
- 41:36
- More times than I can possibly remember in that class. My point is, it was all fighting. Like we had a warm -up in that class.
- 41:43
- We learned techniques. And then like it was two hours of just straight fighting. I came home. I've broken all my fingers.
- 41:49
- I've broken all my toes. I have my shinbone come out of my leg. I've broken my ribs. I've broken my nose so many times the doctor says that if I do it again, it's going to be a serious problem because there's no cartilage left in my nose.
- 42:01
- Because I've had to have it fixed so many times as well. And so anyway, all that say, I grew up with just straight combat.
- 42:08
- It was fighting. Black eyes, broken noses. How do you fight? How do you knock a guy down? I didn't learn any of that nonsense until I started doing ninjutsu.
- 42:18
- It was the occultism I learned where I had some of the same experiences where I started waking up to a presence in my room.
- 42:28
- Some strange stuff was happening in my house. We can't go into all of it today, but I had some very strange spiritual experiences that were witnessed by others in my house.
- 42:36
- Some stuff that will raise the hairs in your neck. And when I made a profession of faith in Christ at 16, that was where this really crazy spiritual battle took place where I had to even go to my pastor and say, something is happening in my house.
- 42:52
- Help me. What do I do? Because there's clearly something here that is nefarious. It means to hurt me.
- 42:58
- It's clear. It's in my room and it's watching me. And I was serious about that.
- 43:04
- But also, I'll tell you one thing. Why is it? How come? And Justin, you mentioned it.
- 43:10
- People would say, well, why would you get involved in something like that? Well, it usually starts off very promising and exciting.
- 43:16
- And then it turns nefarious. Everybody's engaging in the occult is always that story, right?
- 43:23
- At first, it's like, wow, this is awesome. I've got some power and some knowledge that no one else has.
- 43:29
- And then it turns into something like, something wants to hurt me. There's something here in my life that wants to destroy me.
- 43:36
- Well, I have a story, and this is the truth before God, where when I was engaging heavily in this, I had a friend of mine.
- 43:43
- I was trying to teach him to do it too, try to pass it along. And so we were in my room, basically having a seance, and we had these two pine boards.
- 43:52
- Now, these aren't the cheap ones that taekwondo stylists use, like the thin boards, and you just barely flick them and they break.
- 43:59
- Joe Rogan's talked about that before. It's like it's a joke. There's a thick pine board. It takes some effort to punch through it.
- 44:05
- Well, I had two of them, two of them together. That takes some effort. It's not impossible, but it takes effort, and you've got to know how to hit it right.
- 44:11
- And you really have to hit it just right with your knuckles to really snap through those boards together. Most guys who do karate, you know exactly what
- 44:17
- I'm talking about. And it can hurt your hand if you don't do it right. So my friend is holding the two boards.
- 44:22
- Lights are out in my room. We just did basically this meditation stuff, and I was trying to practice something that the ninjas were teaching me, where you basically have the ability to not just have physical power, but chi energies, physical power that can explode somebody's heart sort of thing, destroy their organs when you hit them.
- 44:42
- Five -point palm exploding heart trick. Exactly, that sort of stuff, right? So this is the truth before God. I threw a punch at a good distance away from the boards on purpose because we were training for trying to hurt something over here without actually striking it.
- 44:56
- I threw a punch. I was so involved in this. I threw a punch. I probably stopped about that far away from the board, and both boards snapped completely, like just blew up.
- 45:06
- Not like cracked, but snapped. He was so freaked out by it, and I was so freaked out by it that we had chills.
- 45:14
- We were like, we shouldn't be doing this. It was so scary what happened that we were freaked out, but it was also like, wow, look what can be done.
- 45:24
- But it turned nefarious. That was exciting, but then it was like, who's watching me in my room right now?
- 45:31
- That was what got scary. That's huge. Did you have a thought on that, Justin? Yeah.
- 45:38
- Like Jeff was saying, the seances in the room and this and that, we called it bowing in and training, and we called it meditation because you wouldn't call it what, like he was saying, the cult always appears alluring, but it has that draw.
- 45:53
- You want to go because as soon as you start advancing in power and knowledge and you have something that other people don't, regardless if there is something nefarious around you, you having something that others don't pushes you to go where most won't.
- 46:12
- So I've had a lot of experience in what Jeff's talking about, supernatural experiences and stuff. I'll tell you one time this is an experience
- 46:19
- I had me and a roommate of mine. We were, this was in a period of my life where I drank heavily and I'd passed out in the recliner and he was laying on the couch next to me and he was watching
- 46:32
- TV and I felt sound asleep. He said, dude, he said, you was a sound asleep in the recliner and I know because you were snoring.
- 46:39
- We'd been roommates for a while. And he said at the end of the couch, he said he's seen a little girl walk out down the hallway.
- 46:46
- Now we're two bachelors living by ourselves. There's no little kids living with us. He said this little girl walked out.
- 46:53
- He said it startled him so bad he froze. He didn't know what to do. He says she walked to the end of the couch, looked at the
- 46:59
- TV because he trained with me in martial arts too. He looked, she looked at the TV and he said that didn't, he said that didn't bother me.
- 47:07
- He said, you know what bothered me? He said, you sound asleep. When she took her eyes off the
- 47:12
- TV, she looked at you. He said, you were kicked back in the recliner. You kicked the legs down, jumped up, came up out of the recliner, squared up and eyed her.
- 47:22
- She walked to the back of the house and you fell right back into the sleep, uh, the recliner and went right back to snoring. And I have no, no collection of that happening.
- 47:31
- Um, crazy stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Very strong. Wow. Yeah. So I guess even the question is if you go deeper, uh, and then you, it's fine.
- 47:39
- Just when you look at though, ninjitsu, there are aspects of ninjitsu that are just primarily physical.
- 47:44
- I remember when we were learning, when we were trained together, there's once or twice where you showed me the specific kick that ninjas would do.
- 47:51
- I think they would, they would chamber up, but they would kind of go at a downward angle versus our typical, typical
- 47:57
- Taekwondo. We do the regular chamber and you, you were taught by June Rhee, the guy who taught Bruce Lee how to kick.
- 48:02
- That was my grandmaster. Yeah. But even if you look at some of the physical aspects of just the, the tools and components they have, they have the shurikens, or even like the grappling hook that a couple of times we went in the back behind the cry school.
- 48:12
- We were practicing with that. Is there a way though, with, with such nerds, yeah. With an art like ninjitsu, like can you take the components that are just physical and then not and separate it from that?
- 48:25
- Because this is different between an art that's just primarily physical, like Taekwondo. This is something that's inner, that's intermixed.
- 48:31
- Like can you differentiate between the two? Well, I like, like Jeff was saying a while ago, I think there's certain martial arts that are designed that way that you can separate the two.
- 48:41
- But I will, I will point to this. And I will say this as an example, because like I said,
- 48:46
- I was, I was in law enforcement, our military men and women need to learn to fight. Our law enforcement need to learn to fight.
- 48:52
- There's much, much, much value in that because they're protecting innocent people's lives. So combat is something that some people have to learn.
- 49:01
- Um, so I would point to that to start off with. Um, there was another example
- 49:07
- I was going to give, uh, touching on that. And I've kind of forgot. Sorry. It's on my mind, Luke. I just want to know,
- 49:13
- I'm going to ask what everyone's thinking. Were you ever able to like walk on air or like walk up walls and stuff like that?
- 49:21
- Um, no, uh, not that. And a lot of the, uh, but I can tell you as far as channeling energy goes, when
- 49:27
- I was in law enforcement one time, uh, I had a buddy of mine, uh, he's in, he's
- 49:32
- GSP now, but I was sitting in an open area in this building and we had to use to go check buildings every night when we work for, uh, one of the, uh, police departments and I'm sitting right open in the building.
- 49:44
- He has to walk directly at me to come through the door. The door has a, uh, from the way stuff has solid piece of glass on it.
- 49:53
- And I was sitting down pulling my physical energy in to not be, uh, visible.
- 49:59
- I wasn't, I wasn't mentally thinking of myself pushing out. I was thinking of pulling in. He walks through the glass door.
- 50:06
- Now a cop, somebody who's supposed to be aware or tentative. He looks at me dead in the face, opens the door through the glass, closes the door, turns around, looks at me dead in the face again and walks off.
- 50:17
- I said, I said his name and he turned around and he jumped. He was like, Oh man, I didn't even know he was there.
- 50:22
- I said, you looked at me three times. Wow. And we're only 10, 10 feet apart.
- 50:28
- So the mystery and the mystique of the ninja type thing is, uh, they would also allow their enemy.
- 50:35
- If their enemy was terrified because you got to think about who their enemy was. Their enemy was a samurai. Right. So the samurai is like the
- 50:41
- Navy seal of their day. So I saw the last several. Yeah. So if the Navy seal of their day goes back, cause cause they can't tell a run because they work for the government.
- 50:51
- So they, if they come back and say, added to what the story happened, they would.
- 50:57
- And so the ninja would stand back and say, well, I'm not going to correct that, but I'll just let it go because it works for us because now they're more terrified of us.
- 51:04
- Yeah. I mean, that's how the tradition goes. The story goes that the samurai hated the ninja because they saw them as disrespectful opponents.
- 51:12
- Like they didn't have honor. Right. They were willing to, to do things that the samurai thought were dishonorable because they just wanted to win and kill and assassinate and all the rest.
- 51:23
- And they were willing to come at night and there's sneak into places and kill people behind their backs instead of just facing you and like having a real serious fight.
- 51:31
- And so the ninjas, you know, worked on like, how do I, they were like the kind of like the, in terms of like how the
- 51:37
- Navy seals thing like dev grew, like how do you develop combat things so you can destroy your enemy, get out and, and like sort of like disappear into rumor and fear.
- 51:46
- I learned some of that right. And yeah. And so like, you know, yeah, they learn how, like, how do you, how do you walk silently?
- 51:54
- You know, how do you climb a wall and slip through a window to kill someone in their sleep kind of a thing.
- 52:00
- I mean that they kind of like the Navy seals. Even when you talk about walking silently, I remember you telling me this that they would actually walk on rice paper and they would, they would do it until they wouldn't make any noise.
- 52:09
- They would walk on, it would try to train to walk in different in different scenarios where you weren't, you know, making a lot of noise as you walk through it because they were trying to find ways to sneak into places.
- 52:19
- So the samurai hated them. I mean, of course, there's the famous story of like the, you know, the samurai cornering a ninja in a castle and the ninja, you know, grabs a piece of furniture and throws it to the samurai.
- 52:27
- And they were just like a gassed at this, like what a dirty thing and dishonorable thing to do. Like, you know, why don't you just fight us kind of a thing, like even how they shape their swords and the length of their sword was a way to sort of like be deceptive how they did it.
- 52:39
- There's all kinds of traditions and stories and histories of like why they did things with their weapons, the way they did. And so, yeah,
- 52:45
- I mean, it's, it's, it's interesting. Cause there's aspects to like how the ninjas thought that I think that's, that's actually wise.
- 52:51
- Like you're in war, you're in combat. What's, what's, what makes more sense is to make sure all your team comes home alive.
- 52:56
- So like, yeah, slip into the cover of darkness, you know, make sure no one hears you coming in, kill the enemy and then just bounce.
- 53:03
- I mean, it's like how we used to do war. Like we just line up in lines and blow each other up. Like where's the smart, anything about that?
- 53:10
- There's certain aspects in ninja. You got to like respect them. You're like, they kind of are like the OG Navy seals.
- 53:16
- I mean, you know, they are, yeah, they really are. So there's aspects like, go ahead. And you got to think about the samurai too.
- 53:22
- The samurai were paid by the government to train eight, 10 however many hours a day and the ninja were the farmers.
- 53:28
- So you still had to provide for your wife, your kids, your family, take care of the house and home. So you have the government out there with the samurai who are training day and night to take people out.
- 53:39
- You don't have that time because you have other responsibilities to take care of. And I remember the, I'll just say this, this is the thing that I actually forgot to say a while ago, as far as talking about the mysticism and a ninja suit.
- 53:51
- Now I know I'm, I'm full blown. The canon of scripture is 66 books.
- 53:57
- I completely confirmed that, but I'd also like to point just, just to talk about the book of Enoch actually talks about the watchers coming down and where men learn warfare and where men learn to hurt themselves.
- 54:11
- I thought that was very interesting. When the first place I ever heard it was that the fallen angels or the watchers are the ones who brought that knowledge down.
- 54:17
- Another thing that's brought about with an industry is the ninja learned their art.
- 54:23
- The story goes, the ninja learned their art by spiritual beings and it was by in the mountains.
- 54:29
- And if you remember in the, in the old Testament, in the mountains, the high places is where all the false gods always were worshiped or came to be.
- 54:37
- The Tingu came to the priest within the Japanese system and taught the mysticism, the espionage, the remote view, and all those things that we think are supernatural.
- 54:49
- It's talking about, they were taught from supernatural beings. And those beings, when they described them in history, when they described them, they're labeled half man and half bird.
- 54:59
- And they're called Tingu. Well, uh, uh, there's, there's another account of what could be
- 55:04
- Tingu in the Bible. And what, what do we hear about in the Bible all the time? That's half man and half bird or man with wings, uh, angels.
- 55:13
- So it was very, it's very alarming that some similarities there. I'm not going to say that is, but I'm just going to say,
- 55:19
- I'm pointing to that, you know? Well, it is interesting too, Justin, because you know, I remember you initially talked to me about that and it's not just in Japan where the monasteries were up in the mountains where they could have obtained this knowledge from.
- 55:30
- You saw the same thing too, uh, in ancient Greece, like how did they attain their knowledge? Well, the high priest would go up into the mountains and they would take a young lady to get her, uh, up on psychedelics and get her into a trans altered state of consciousness.
- 55:43
- And then she would, uh, receive whatever knowledge and relate it to the priest. And you saw that depicted in the movie 300.
- 55:49
- So, you know, at the, at the end of the day, it is, it is interesting just because when you, when it, wait, did you just describe
- 55:56
- Coachella concert? What was that? Was that, were you talking about Coachella? There's probably, there's probably, that was their own
- 56:03
- Coachella. The original Coachella up in ancient Greece. That's what I'm saying. The way you're describing it,
- 56:09
- I'm like, that's like Coachella. Um, I want to,
- 56:15
- I want to answer some questions that were in the feed. Uh, and Justin, feel free to jump in here as, as well. Um, so somebody asked a question about Krav Maga.
- 56:23
- Like, how do you feel about Krav Maga? I think Krav Maga is actually great as a, as a system. It's, it's a, it's a fine system.
- 56:29
- Uh, that's, um, uh, it got some devastating really good strategies within it.
- 56:35
- Uh, of course Krav Maga has his deficiencies because it's not a specialized system in terms of like the perfect way to kick this way, the perfect way to punch.
- 56:45
- It's, it's a very fast -tracked effective, very effective devastating self -defense system to teach somebody that has a limited time to learn and to make you a devastating fighter.
- 56:55
- And it gives you certain, um, uh, it gives you a certain feel and understanding of how fight sort of flows and to be ready for that.
- 57:03
- And, um, something that seals were, were saying that I thought like, that's just that, that conceptual stuff needs to be taught to people.
- 57:09
- Like if you're in a combat situation and you actually have to start throwing, you've got to start defending yourself.
- 57:14
- You have to switch your mentality from like protect and preserve life that you always have to like, it's time to break game.
- 57:24
- It's me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. That's what the seals said. Like when it's on and more me, I've tried to avoid,
- 57:30
- I've tried to avoid, I've tried to get away from this. I've tried to run away from this and now I can't.
- 57:35
- So right now my mindset goes me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. And Krav Maga has so many different effective ways that they train people in that.
- 57:43
- Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. In terms of like attack, attack, attack, attack, attack. It's very effective. Krav Maga is great.
- 57:49
- Has its deficiencies as does every single martial arts system. Again, I want to stress that every system has its deficiencies.
- 57:57
- It's Jewish, right? What's that? It's Jewish. That's right. Silent J. He's at Walter Minnieville right now.
- 58:07
- He didn't even catch it. Yeah. It's the Israeli self -defense forces is right. Dominion Defender. Yes. It's Israeli self -defense system.
- 58:14
- It's combat system. So a lady in here asked the question like, what would martial arts would you recommend for women?
- 58:23
- Sarah asked this. What would you recommend for women to be able to defend themselves against an attacker? I would say you have to think about it in two different ways.
- 58:30
- I'll just try to say as quickly as possible. One, if you are saying, I love this, I want a comprehensive understanding.
- 58:36
- I want a comprehensive system and I'm going to go for it and I'm going to do it for life. That's one question to ask.
- 58:43
- And in that case, I would make some recommendations, but I'm assuming you're asking a question like self -defense.
- 58:49
- I just want to learn to defend myself. And I'm a female. Like how do I do it? What I would say is probably you're going to want to, cause you're not going to try to specialize.
- 58:58
- I would say you would want to learn a system that sort of combines maybe Muay Thai kickboxing.
- 59:04
- And so you learn to box, you learn to move, you learn to use your elbows. You learn to use your knees. Those are the devastating tools you have.
- 59:11
- You learn to use your shin and kick the leg and all that stuff. So you're going to use your most devastating tools. You're going to learn how to move around in a fight and learn the ground.
- 59:19
- And then I would say get some Brazilian jiu -jitsu in you so that you know how to stand up and fight, use your elbows, head, butts, knees, all that stuff.
- 59:26
- And then you also know what to do if you're taken down to the ground. Here's the thing. If a female simply learns on the ground with a guy, like she's just learning grappling skills with a guy.
- 59:37
- Well, what if he starts to, what if he starts to tear her eyeballs out? When he's, he first gets her down, she's put him in the guard and he starts to go right for her eyeballs or he starts to bite her or pull her ears off.
- 59:48
- Like he, he's just, he's vicious. Well, there's certain elements in Brazilian jiu -jitsu. You don't train for that sort of thing.
- 59:54
- Cause there's rules of the partner. And also let's say she's 120 pounds wet and he's say 250 pounds.
- 01:00:01
- He's really strong. You just, you gotta have some more skillset than just one system.
- 01:00:08
- Also, what if you get attacked by two guys? Right? I would like to say this.
- 01:00:17
- Can you hear me? Yeah, I hear you. Okay. I would like to say this, especially for the female audience. If you can train and take any recommendations
- 01:00:25
- Jeff wants to give you, but when it comes even to a grown man having to fight two men, that's going to be a very, very scary situation in real life.
- 01:00:34
- Because if you're a grown man, you know they're coming after you and it's not the play. Being a female, if you're, if you're being attacked by one or two men, one of the things that can level the playing field very fast and very quick.
- 01:00:46
- This is one of the things my instructor taught me. And I have one on me 24 seven is get you a most
- 01:00:52
- States allow. Just make check your state laws and stuff is a Spyderco pocket knife with a clip on it and practice drawing it out of your pocket.
- 01:01:00
- That automatically levels of playing field to some degree, because if that guy grabs you, sends you to the ground and he's going for your eyes, you can, you can reach down and grab your knife and you can do whatever you need to at that point.
- 01:01:13
- So you could take a man, like if you're a lady that's five foot three and you weigh 125 pounds and let's say
- 01:01:20
- Goliath comes and picks you up nine foot nine, right? He comes and picks you up. Taking a knife to the neck, still, we'll still put that person down regardless of how big they are.
- 01:01:29
- Or the test. Yeah. Yeah. Or that area too. Yeah.
- 01:01:34
- Yeah. No, I mean, we're talking about combat here. Yeah. And so like one of the things that I would say is exactly right.
- 01:01:41
- Learning to move, like learning to stand up and move. I'm not saying that a woman learning kickboxing, who's, you know, five foot three, 115, 20 pounds.
- 01:01:49
- And she's, you know, got these kickboxing skills that she's still going to fare well against the seven foot tall or six foot eight guy.
- 01:01:54
- Who's super strong, powerful. He can box too. I'm not saying like learn to box him to death. I'm saying learn your devastating tools so you can use them when you can and get out of there.
- 01:02:02
- Like learn to move around with a man. That's really, really important. But having an equalizer, a knife.
- 01:02:10
- One of the most devastating tools you can use in a fight is a knife. I know knife fighting. I've taught knife fighting.
- 01:02:17
- And like I was telling the seals when I was training with them, they scare me to death because I know you're getting cut.
- 01:02:23
- Like even no matter how good you are with a knife, you're getting cut. And when you get cut, it's devastating. Like you're going down to the bone at times.
- 01:02:29
- I saw a guy get stabbed last year and his muscle was hanging out of his arm. I could see his bone. It was just wide open.
- 01:02:35
- He was stabbed five times in the back, multiple times in the front. His tricep was hanging out of his arm. And that encounter only lasted about seven or eight seconds.
- 01:02:44
- That's how much he was devastating by a guy with a knife. So use a knife. They're very effective tools.
- 01:02:49
- Use an equalizer. But, and that's why I said a knife to the testicles. I'm using that because we're talking about self -defense and women.
- 01:02:57
- When I taught self -defense classes to women, one of the things I would say is I can't teach you in four hours to fight a man.
- 01:03:04
- I can teach you concepts. I can teach you your tools. But if you don't train in this and think like this, you're not going to get it.
- 01:03:10
- So I would say things to women like tear his eyeballs out. Pull his ear off his head.
- 01:03:19
- Destroy his lower parts as much as you can. If you have a weapon or something you can use to cut him down there or to bite down and separate flesh, then you should do that.
- 01:03:30
- You have to think in that way in terms of combat is you're trying to get away with your life.
- 01:03:36
- Which means that you have to stop thinking about the preservation of human life. If the man climbs through your window at night and he's on top of you in your bed, you can't be thinking about just doing a little damage.
- 01:03:46
- You have to destroy this opponent, which means blind him for life. If anything comes near you that you can tear off, tear it off and get out of there as quickly as you possibly can.
- 01:04:01
- When you go to court over this, women can prove to the court, to the judge, and to the lawyers that they had more fear of life than a man can.
- 01:04:09
- Let's just use one of you guys as an example. Y 'all broke into the house or me and you ended up in a fight on the street.
- 01:04:16
- Two men going at it, it takes a lot more to convince the lawyers and the judges that Justin was really in fear of his life.
- 01:04:24
- But if you have a woman being attacked by a man, it is a lot easier for her to make the lawyers and the judges believe that she was in fear of her life.
- 01:04:34
- They had that on their side working for them, which is a good thing. It's a good thing. It is a very good thing. Just to give preamble to what
- 01:04:39
- Jeff was saying, you were saying wisdom is justified by our children.
- 01:04:45
- Wisdom is also justified by their black belts when it comes to martial arts. One of Jeff's top students was a female student who you taught.
- 01:04:54
- Kay? No. I believe her name is Courtney. Her dad went in and just said,
- 01:05:01
- I want to teach you how to knock out a guy. You did that and you trained her very... You didn't cut any corners.
- 01:05:07
- I was rough with her. You was rough with her. She knocked out three guys at her black belt test. There was a time where I sparred with her.
- 01:05:14
- Yes. She knocked out three adult men. There was a time where I sparred with her. She hit me with the hardest roundhouse kick
- 01:05:20
- I've ever felt. To this day, I've got TMJ in my left side of my jaw. Just because every now and then,
- 01:05:27
- I'll just feel. I'll wake up in the morning, I'll sleep on the wrong side of the pillow, and it's like, oh, ow. Courtney, I remember you.
- 01:05:33
- I remember it vividly, yes. Her dad, when she was super young, her dad came to me and said, the only reason
- 01:05:40
- I have her in this is to teach her to fight a man. He said, that's all I want you to do. So I just said to her dad,
- 01:05:45
- I said, okay, I will do that. She said, here's Jerry. Well, no, I think at the time, I don't even know how old she was at the time, but she was definitely not even a teenager yet, maybe 12, 11.
- 01:05:56
- I said, okay, but you have to agree with me with something, is that you're not going to interfere. I said,
- 01:06:01
- I won't hurt her. I'm not going to damage her. I said, but you're not going to interfere with what I have to do to teach her to fight a man.
- 01:06:07
- I've got to make her aggressive. He was like, absolutely. You're the master instructor. I'm going to follow your lead. I was like, okay. I remember one
- 01:06:13
- Saturday distinctly, we had a sparring day, and I'm dragging her. Literally, she just wanted to quit, so I wasn't going to let her.
- 01:06:19
- I said, the fight doesn't stop because you want it to stop. So she's giving up, falling on the ground, and I'm just pounding her head.
- 01:06:25
- I'm not hurting her, but she's crying, and I'm hitting her head, and I'm flipping her over. I'm dragging her across the room.
- 01:06:32
- I'm getting on top of her. I'm hitting her. I'm like, I will not stop hitting you until you start fighting back.
- 01:06:38
- So that's how I tried to get her in a place where she would aggressively try to defend her own life and fight back no matter the circumstances.
- 01:06:45
- So then she spent all her time fighting me and other guys, so she knew how to fight boys. So at a black belt test, yeah, she rocked some adults.
- 01:06:54
- Awesome. And what happened was with Jerry, I remember this day distinctly, she shows up at my dojo, and it was a fight night, and there was a bunch of men in that night.
- 01:07:03
- It was an adult class and everything else. And then Jerry was just skeptical. I remember he was very skeptical about, like, how good really is she, sort of a thing.
- 01:07:10
- And I put him on the line, and I don't know how long it lasted. It could have been more than five seconds.
- 01:07:16
- She threw that roundhouse kick, cracked your jaw. No, it was a good amount. It was like she was going – she was playing hard, but then it wasn't until I actually threw –
- 01:07:25
- I actually hit her pretty hard in the nose, and that just made her more angry. And that's when she decided to go in for the kill.
- 01:07:30
- So I need to say that, you know, women can hold their own. It's just a matter of teaching them precision and technique.
- 01:07:36
- That's very important. Jerry's still reaping the benefits of that kick. Yes. So one of the questions
- 01:07:41
- I talked to you at the very beginning of the show is that, you know, Walter Martin, for example, would say the existence of a counterfeit predicates the authenticity of an original.
- 01:07:51
- So what we're talking about, there's legitimate cases for self -defense, legitimate arts. There are a lot of counterfeits out there, a lot of frauds, a lot of charlatans when it comes to teaching really
- 01:08:00
- BS martial arts. And I think there's almost an aspect of cult mind control involved because you have guys who are involved.
- 01:08:07
- It's almost like they believe their own lies in regards to this is what you can do. So this is an account that went viral. If any of you are watching this, there's a guy named – it's called
- 01:08:14
- Detroit Urban Survival Training. And so – Stella and I watch that. My son watches it all the time.
- 01:08:20
- It went viral a couple weeks back. And this guy is showing examples of here's how to grab a shotgun, reverse it like John Wick style.
- 01:08:27
- And he basically has a thing. He's making up words like these are intelligent options to increase your survivability.
- 01:08:32
- But there's people who are going in there who are believing, oh, well, if someone is in my car and has a gun to the back of my head at gunpoint, oh,
- 01:08:43
- I just know how to just – I just tilt my head to the left, grab him, and I can reverse and take the gun from him.
- 01:08:49
- There's going to be people who believe that. They're going to get killed. So I guess the question would maybe be for you,
- 01:08:55
- Jeff, is like how do you give people wisdom for how to differentiate between someone who knows their stuff, who's teaching a legitimate way to defend yourself versus going into a school with a fraud and a charlatan?
- 01:09:07
- Because you look at someone like this guy, he's confident. He believes – like he genuinely believes this is what you can do, and people can get themselves in trouble.
- 01:09:15
- And there's even another account, too. He actually just followed us on Instagram, McDojoLife. He shows a lot of examples, too, even over like in Japan, these other areas where the guys are sort of like nodding their head and they're like flying back.
- 01:09:27
- Some of it is just a joke. But some of it just seems to be like almost undue influence or the power of suggestion.
- 01:09:34
- Like how do you – is there any sort of orthodoxy for avoiding charlatan martial arts? Yeah. Well, I think
- 01:09:39
- Joe Rogan had – I saw him talking about the fact that one of his favorite things to do is to watch all these fake martial arts practitioners.
- 01:09:47
- I thought I was the only one that like loved to gorge myself on these things because they're so fun to watch.
- 01:09:53
- And the truth is in the martial arts world, there are tons and tons and tons of charlatans, fakes.
- 01:09:59
- They don't know what they're doing. I would say one indication – and I hate to be nasty.
- 01:10:05
- I just want to say if I'm trying to protect my neighbor right now, love my neighbor, I just need to tell the truth. One indication is like if you see a martial arts master, school owner, teacher who is just a slob,
- 01:10:17
- I mean he's so out of shape. He can't – he's not flexible because he's out of shape. He can't even kick above his waist sort of a thing.
- 01:10:24
- He talks about the technique but he can't really demonstrate it. He can't actually – he can't do this stuff because he's so out of shape himself.
- 01:10:32
- He's just – he's not in good condition. Yeah. He's not flexible himself.
- 01:10:37
- He can't actually demonstrate these techniques. That's not your school. I don't care how nice the guy is. I don't care how charismatic he is.
- 01:10:44
- You need somebody who actually can do this stuff to demonstrate it to you. You need to be able to see it done and accomplish so that you can learn from that.
- 01:10:53
- When you go into a school, I think it's appropriate to ask the hard questions of the owner and the teacher.
- 01:11:00
- What's your lineage? What's your lineage? Where did you come from?
- 01:11:05
- Like how do I know for sure that you're legit, that you have like a solid historical system that is tested, tried and true?
- 01:11:13
- What's your lineage? And so finding out like is this just a silly sport karate sort of like slap somebody with your feet system?
- 01:11:22
- I'm talking about the typical taekwondo school on the corner in America today is garbage. It's absolute garbage.
- 01:11:28
- Hands are down while you're fighting. You're slapping with your feet. It's just not real combat. You're not learning anything that would work out on the street.
- 01:11:35
- But ask the question about lineage. Like where's your art come from? Like how long has it been tested and tried?
- 01:11:43
- Who's your master? And then I think it's appropriate to ask the teacher and the owner of the school. Hopefully they're the same thing.
- 01:11:50
- I think it's appropriate to say like what are your accomplishments? What do you do to demonstrate that you're proficient in this?
- 01:11:55
- Like that's not it's not offensive to say that to a person who owns a martial arts school.
- 01:12:01
- Like you don't need to feel bad about putting the guy on a little bit of a challenge and saying what are your accomplishments?
- 01:12:08
- How long you've been training in this? What proof do I have that you know what you're doing? Like that's a good thing to ask.
- 01:12:15
- If somebody came into my school and asked me that I would have been like yes. You're asking all the right questions.
- 01:12:20
- I'm really glad you came here. Let me give you the list. Like I would go back to my grandmaster. He's the one who taught Bruce Lee how to kick.
- 01:12:26
- I would talk about my system. I would talk about all that I've accomplished. I would talk about everything that I did in competition.
- 01:12:32
- I would talk about how I was able to apply this art in tough situations. I've been in a number of fights.
- 01:12:39
- I've had to fight multiple attackers. I grew up in D .C. I was attacked and I had to run for my life at times.
- 01:12:45
- At times I thank God for his grace that I'm still here. There's times where I should have been killed and I just hid under a...
- 01:12:52
- One time I was attacked by guys with a gun. Chased me through a neighborhood. I hid under a deck. I was covered in mud and spider webs.
- 01:12:59
- And another time I barely escaped my life at night because these guys, a gang, jumped out of their car and I barely made it around the side of a house and hid behind a bush where they ran past me with weapons to attack me and kill me.
- 01:13:11
- And other times I had to fight, fight. So I think you need to ask your school owner.
- 01:13:17
- Oh yeah, big thing. Not just their lineage, their qualifications. How have they proved that they know what they're doing?
- 01:13:24
- But I think really important, and there may be even some school owners that disagree with me on this, but I'm kind of old school with this.
- 01:13:31
- I think it's how it should be done. I'd ask the question, how much do you do of the teaching?
- 01:13:37
- Like the master of the school? Like that head dude? The owner? How much teaching do you do here?
- 01:13:43
- I'll give you an example of what happened to me. Fairly recently, within the last couple of years, my son, my youngest son,
- 01:13:51
- I teach him karate, but he and martial arts. He was like, I'd love to learn some
- 01:13:57
- Brazilian jiu -jitsu. I was like, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, we got to find a good school. So I researched for like two weeks straight, like a legit school in our area.
- 01:14:05
- I know what to look for. I knew who they needed to be connected to. And so I found a good Brazilian jiu -jitsu school in the area that was actually qualified and had a right to be teaching.
- 01:14:15
- Let's just put it that way. So I go to the school with my son. I sign him up. And after about a month and a half of classes,
- 01:14:23
- I realize they have no curriculum structure. Every day it's random. There's no course of like learn these moves.
- 01:14:29
- Like you said, Justin, you learn the alphabet a certain way, and then you make your way from that into like the cursive and the other ways that you can actually express this artistically and make it look nicer.
- 01:14:40
- Well, curriculum in a martial arts school needs to be taught like that. Everything builds off of the next thing. That's structured. It's ordered, and it's going to teach, and you'll do well as a student.
- 01:14:48
- I noticed after a month and a half there was no curriculum. It was just you'd show up, here's your class time, and it was always random stuff.
- 01:14:56
- But the thing that got me the most is that the head instructor never taught the classes, any of them that I saw.
- 01:15:03
- It was just these students who were all lower belts who were running the classes while the instructor was off to the side chit -chatting away with people.
- 01:15:12
- And I'm sorry, but a school like that, you need to leave because if the instructor has no concern over the quality and the control of the quality in the school, and he can't do everything, but if he's not in and out at some point in those classes and putting hands -on instruction into those classes, don't go to that school.
- 01:15:30
- And if someone says, well, I work so much, I'm really tired, it's like, but then don't go to martial arts school. You're teaching people how to fight here.
- 01:15:36
- You care about the quality. What are your thoughts on that, Justin? Jeff had really good points there.
- 01:15:42
- I agree with him. At the very end, me and the other guy that was upper rank in the system that I trained in, me and him were kind of like brothers neck and neck all the way up into black belt.
- 01:15:52
- And then we kind of, you know, I got the third degree black belt. He got the fourth degree black belt. And that's where I kind of tapered off.
- 01:15:58
- But the instructor at that point, because we were so skilled, he would leave the school to us to run and he would step in and step out from time to time.
- 01:16:07
- As the student teacher, I thought that was, I didn't agree with that because I'm not the one making the money.
- 01:16:15
- I didn't mind doing it because, you know, I'm in the atmosphere and that's my teacher and this guy was very dangerous. And so I didn't want to say anything, but I agree with Jeff on that.
- 01:16:23
- The person's teaching and making the money and it's their investment. You're investing your time or your child's time with that person.
- 01:16:31
- You're investing your money with that person. And so that person needs to be investing him or herself directly back into your child or you.
- 01:16:39
- I agree with that. Yeah, there was an important element that I was always thinking of when I owned my school and I was teaching is that these students are a reflection of me.
- 01:16:48
- And so when they go out into the world, if they have to defend themselves, I bear some responsibility that they can handle themselves.
- 01:16:55
- And if I had students going into competition, they were representing Jeff Durbin. And for me, that was a personal issue.
- 01:17:02
- I was the national champion, the world champion. I wasn't going to have Jeff Durbin students now going into tournaments and losing.
- 01:17:08
- Right. And so I was hands -on. You saw me every day. I was covered in sweat. I made sure I was teaching as many classes as I could.
- 01:17:15
- Yeah, you kicked me and knocked the wind out of me plenty of times too. Took your wind. Took my wind, yes.
- 01:17:21
- Took my wind, Master Jeff. Yours was crazy. I don't know if you remember the story, but there was a time.
- 01:17:26
- There's two different stories. One was your initial – you had a partnership with a school. I can't remember the name of the school, but it was before you started your own version of karate.
- 01:17:34
- But I remember I went to the black belt test when I first started, and I was looking at their forms, and it was so sloppy.
- 01:17:41
- I called you and said, Jeff, is this – I hope we look better than this. I was obviously concerned.
- 01:17:47
- And you're just like, yeah, he's there just about – you just want this – your partner just wants to put black belts on their students. He's more about the money versus actually teaching them.
- 01:17:55
- And sure enough, our purple belts and our green belts were outdoing the black belts of every single school.
- 01:18:01
- But then also I remember – I can't remember the guy's name, but he was a bigger guy, and he got himself a black belt.
- 01:18:09
- But it was – by the time he tied it, he was a bigger guy. It was like a stub. It was like little black belt stubs coming out.
- 01:18:15
- It was supposed to be a belt. He was like, bing. Yeah. So I remember he had this guy who was – I don't know if it was his son or someone who was related to him, but I think his name was
- 01:18:22
- Voss. He was this Russian guy, and he was like, yeah, I know Sambo or whatever, some Russian martial arts.
- 01:18:27
- And so we're just going to place – just spar around a little bit. And so I was kind of like, okay, is he doing a setup here?
- 01:18:33
- Because he's just kind of really slow. I'm like, man, this guy is actually, like, slow. He doesn't know anything. And so I was trying to train him.
- 01:18:41
- And he was just awful. I mean, nice person, but just terrible martial artist.
- 01:18:47
- And next thing you know, it's probably six or eight months later, and we're at a tournament, and I'm in the sparring competition, and there he is as a judge wearing a black belt.
- 01:19:00
- And I was just befuddled. Yeah, you're talking about that. I had somebody come in and ask me to franchise my school, and I was like, well, who would teach?
- 01:19:10
- What do you mean? He was like, well, we'd find a teacher. I'm like, that's not how this works. You can't use my name and my school and have just somebody teach.
- 01:19:20
- That's how people think. This is a warning for everybody. You can't just go to a karate school or a martial arts school in a corner and say,
- 01:19:26
- I guess they know what they're doing. You've got to ask tough questions because this guy offered me $25 ,000 to take the name of my school and open a martial arts school, but there was no instructor.
- 01:19:36
- And so I said no. Like, my guys are still coming up, and they're not ready yet to be like owners of their own school, and so no,
- 01:19:42
- I won't do that because that's just wrong to do to people. At the time, we were charging like $175 per month per student except for family rates.
- 01:19:51
- That was before like the housing market crash and all the stuff that's changed a lot of that in the industry.
- 01:19:56
- You can't do that. You can't take money from people like that and just give them nothing. And so anyway, he gets upset, and he leaves.
- 01:20:04
- And he ends up, a couple weeks later, I find out there's a school opening down the road, and it's his school, and he's wearing a black belt.
- 01:20:12
- He had never trained in martial arts. He was not a martial artist. So he was a white belt that put on a black belt because he wanted to open a karate school.
- 01:20:19
- And he was literally, I drove past it maybe six, eight months later, and I watched him teaching white belt classes with a black belt on.
- 01:20:25
- This is a man who had no martial arts experience. Somebody down the road said, sure, pay me $25 ,000.
- 01:20:31
- You can franchise with my school. And he literally put a black belt on himself and started teaching classes. That can happen.
- 01:20:37
- Yeah, anyone can get a black belt. And even I love the story even explaining because there is an interesting rich history even behind martial arts, the pure aspect of martial arts too, the whole story of the black belt.
- 01:20:50
- Some people may not even know that. Can you just tell them about that real quick, like how that came into fruition? Well, the tradition is
- 01:20:55
- I'm starving, so I'm eating on the show. I hope you guys don't mind. We're strictly professional here.
- 01:21:01
- Very professional. The tradition, you got me right as I got it in my mouth there, Jerry. Sorry.
- 01:21:07
- Hold on. What are your thoughts on Rex Kwon Do? It's awesome.
- 01:21:13
- Somebody asked, what do you think about Master Ken? What do I think about Master Ken? I think he's amazing, and I've watched all of his shows.
- 01:21:20
- His ones where he makes fun of Kempo was amazing because he makes this point of reference, and I was dying laughing.
- 01:21:29
- If any of you are Kempo practitioners, I'm not sweeping you with a broad brush, but he said it in such a way where he talked to the majority of Kempo instructors, like the higher rank you get, the bigger of a gut you get.
- 01:21:40
- That seemed to be the case. But he said it in the most Master Ken way you could, and I remember whatever
- 01:21:45
- I had, I was probably at the same time too, and I probably spit it out and was laughing about it. Hey, it happened with Elvis. Elvis trained with Ed Parker, and I think, would
- 01:21:53
- Elvis get a six or seven degree black belt or something like that? And it's true, the more he trained in Kempo, the bigger his gut got.
- 01:22:00
- But wasn't there a story too where Elvis was somewhere in Vegas, he saw some woman getting assaulted, and he said, hold on a second. My family lived in Vegas.
- 01:22:07
- They told me that story was all over the news where somebody was getting attacked in Vegas, and he jumped out of his limo. He was like,
- 01:22:12
- Kempo! Ha! Kempo! Anyways, now that you don't have a full mouth, tell them.
- 01:22:18
- Yeah, sorry. So the tradition of the black belt is that, of course, you typically trained outdoors.
- 01:22:30
- You basically wore stuff that was loose and easy and comfortable to train in, and you had a belt that would hold up your pants and hold together what you were training in.
- 01:22:38
- So the tradition and the story is that over time, that belt you would use that was white would get more and more dirty, filled with blood and dirt and grass and all the rest.
- 01:22:48
- And so the darker your belt was, the longer you were training, the more frayed and ugly it was. Interesting. You've been doing this for some time.
- 01:22:56
- And so that's the tradition behind where the white to black belt comes from, and then the colors that we put between them now are different for each system in how you designate where somebody is at in the chain of curriculum for that system, which every system should have a curriculum.
- 01:23:10
- It shouldn't just be random stuff. It should be ordered. It should make sense. It should be building one off of the next, and otherwise it's just going to be a mess.
- 01:23:19
- You'll be incomplete in some way if it's not done that way. So, all right. Justin.
- 01:23:25
- Johannes. Justin. Justin Jonas. Jonas. Justin Jonas, thank you for joining us today on the show, brother.
- 01:23:32
- Thank y 'all. We had a great time. By the way, where are you from? I'm from Georgia. Uvalde, Georgia.
- 01:23:39
- Right on. I love the Southern accent. Before we go, can I get you guys to do one thing for me? Yeah. I'm not going to fight.
- 01:23:45
- I was trying. No, no. I was trying to tell Dr. Watt, thank you for writing the
- 01:23:51
- King James only controversy, because I used to be a King James only -ist, and I am not anymore. And I was trying to tell him thanks at the
- 01:23:58
- Z3 last year in Atlanta. I didn't get a chance to speak to him. So, if you would just tell him that, I would appreciate it very much.
- 01:24:03
- I will make sure he sees this and he hears that Mr. Jonas really appreciates delivering him from the
- 01:24:10
- King James only cult. King James. King James. King Yams.
- 01:24:18
- How do you say your name? Yamas? Is it James or Yamace? Oh, you're never going to live that down now.
- 01:24:28
- No. All right. Find the gift that keeps on giving. That's right. Justin, thank you, brother, so much. Appreciate you for being on the show today.
- 01:24:34
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- 01:24:58
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- 01:25:05
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- 01:25:18
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- 01:25:28
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- 01:25:34
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- 01:25:41
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- 01:25:48
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