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This is Chris Arns and your host of iron sharpens iron wishing you all a happy Monday.

On this 26th day of September 2016.

I'm so delighted to have back on the program Pastor Josh Bice who is

our guest for the full two hours today.

He is senior pastor of Praise Mill Baptist Church in Douglasville, Georgia.

He's host of the blog delivered by grace.

And he's also the director of the g3 conference, which we are going to be discussing.

Today a chief the g3 conference, which is coming up January 19th through the 21st in Atlanta,

Georgia featuring an enormously long roster of guests but they're all very

very impressive guest speakers and and yours truly will be

manning an exhibitors booth there at the conference and I'll be joined

by my webmaster and I'm looking forward to this event more than words can possibly

describe.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron pastor Josh Bice.

And.

Our theme today is going to be marriage its definition and importance and

we're also In relation to that theme we're going to be learning more about a new book

That is coming out at some point in the future.

God willing that Pastor Bice is cooperating with or cooperating on

I should say with a liberal a Harvard Professor who is actually an

advocate of same -sex marriage and We are actually going to be going into

That as a part of our theme today because is same -sex marriage actually a thing.

Is that really just an oxymoron and we're going to get into what marriage actually is.

But first of all a pastor Bice, even though we've had you do this before I'd like you to introduce Praise Mill

Baptist Church of Douglasville, Georgia to our listeners that have not heard you on the program before.

Praise Mill Baptist Church is a 174 year old Baptist Church here

just outside of Atlanta, Georgia.

So we are in Douglasville, Georgia.

We are officially the

Southern Baptist Convention.

We would consider ourselves to be more along the lines of a founders church or

a nine marks church, so we as pastors preach from a reformed

tradition and lead the church in that direction and so.

Again, I grew up here as a up here as children in the church.

And so it's just been an honor and a privilege to serve the people here in these last six years.

Yeah, that's refreshing to hear because you don't hear about that happening a lot where someone

Raised in a church from childhood actually becomes the pastor unless of course it's a large

Pentecostal church and the pastor dies and his son automatically becomes the pastor and.

You also host a blog tell us about delivered by grace .com.

Started just

as a discussion blog with a group of friends and

typically write a couple of articles a week Tuesday and Thursday.

But I also do a sermon review on Monday.

And then a spotlight on Wednesday and Friday where I just simply link to other articles or sermons that are

helpful.

So it's just something that I do as an outlet for writing, but also to just be an encouragement to others.

Great and once again that.

That.

Website address for the blog site is delivered by grace.

Calm.

And last but not least let's hear about this g3 conference that I've been advertising on the show.

Very enthusiastic about this event and it's good to hear that some of my Listeners have already

informed me that they plan to attend including.

I would.

I didn't even realize it at the time.

But when I was interviewing Dr. Russell T Fuller recently from Southern Baptist

Theological Seminary.

He after the show after hearing the ads that I was playing for the conference.

After the show was over. He said to me on the phone Chris I've got to go to this conference.

Tell me about the exact date again.

And and he said that he is going to register because his parents live right near the venue.

So he is planning on making the trip.

I hope he comes but tell us something about the g3 conference.

Sure.

This will be your number five coming up in January

and the whole educate to encourage and to equip

In sound doctrine.

So again, we wanted from the beginning of the of the conference to establish this idea that

it's a theology conference.

Not a pep rally not, you know, just you know some type of entertainment outlet for

Christians.

But it's a theology conference.

So we sing the gospel and we preach the gospel for three full days

and so it's It's really a wonderful thing to gather with believers from all across the

country and outside of the country and Then that you know, there's a number of believers who

join us stream broadcast and so we just have a wonderful time taking

a theme a doctrinal theme each year and Seeking to unpack that over three days, which is

it's very profitable.

For me personally, and I'm sure as you know others who attend conferences.

It's the same type of thing.

So we're challenged and we you know, we think through These

very intricate details of theology, whatever the theme might be

actually attend in person.

We have the privilege to meet new people to fellowship together.

And so This year's theme is on the Reformation coming up in

2017 again this January the conference will be focused on the 500th

anniversary of the Protestant Reformation, so It's not a celebration

of Martin

looking back at Reformation was and

then also taking a good look at where we are today and thinking about the Future and

you know addressing the idea that the Reformation is not over today.

Yeah, there are a lot of people that I encounter who say that very thing that the Reformation is over.

That would be predominantly the ecumenical Catholics and

Protestants that I meet.

Even ecumenical evangelicals who would say that.

You know, why are you rehashing the past?

This is really absurd.

You're bringing up antiquated a prehistoric kind of nonsense that

is just about Counting how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or something?

And.

It's amazing how.

But most of the time when I encounter Roman Catholics they seem to be oblivious to

the the aspect.

I'm gonna say Roman Catholics.

I mean ecumenical from moderate to liberal Roman Catholics.

Who would say when I bring up the Council of Trent still having an anathema upon me?

And that I'm not the bad guy here.

I said your church officially declared That you have a different gospel than I

have 500 years before I was born and.

So therefore if that still stands if those anathemas still stand Against me

and those who believe the same gospel that I believe in You are in a different

religion, I mean, isn't that the case?

Oh.

Absolutely, you know.

And that's the and that's the whole.

There's a line that has been with the gospel

for present culture to

protest something.

Protest.

And so we are still Protestant and we still protest against not just the Roman Catholic Church.

Mm -hmm.

Of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Yes, in fact, I'm sure that you would agree pastor Josh that not only do we strongly condemn

apostate liberal Protestants But we would even have very serious

problem with some of what has risen up in The last several decades that

comes under the umbrella of Calvinism or reformed theology.

There are things that are Arising from our own ranks that many men like -minded men

and even some that are speaking at your conference Say this is dangerous stuff.

I mean we have to be Putting everything under the magnifying glass of the scripture, correct?

We as Protestants have a responsibility to speak up and to make very clear what the gospel

is not and what the gospel is and.

Just I know that you folks who are listening have been hearing ads and will continue to hear them

including today Promoting this conference, but just to give you an idea again about some of the speakers

at this g3 conference.

They include Paul Washer Steven J. Lawson da Carson Vodie Balcom James are white

Tim Chalies Conrad and Bayway Phil Johnson.

Who's the executive director of John MacArthur's ministry grace to you?

Josh Bice our guest today.

Rosario Butterfield who we've had on this program recently.

A former lesbian leftist tenured professor at Syracuse University who was Saved and

transformed by the grace of Christ.

A Todd Friel who has become one of my favorite guests.

Who you have heard on this program.

John Kratz who is actually the pastor of My last

pastor in New York's Parents.

My last pastor in New York's parents are Members of the church where John Kratz

is a pastor and I believe that's Sharpsburg, Georgia, correct?

Correct, right.

And there are others.

Scott Klusendorf is another who is going to be speaking on the Holocaust known as

abortion on my program in the near future.

So you have a whole bunch of folks and that's only some of them that I listed and for more details go to g3 conference

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Well, tell us about this book that really Spawned the idea

of us doing this very topic of Marriage its definition and its importance

today.

This book that you are cooperating on With a Harvard professor who's an

advocate of same -sex marriage.

Yeah, Chris.

Because I have what the Bible actually

teaches about on

Particular the same issue that we've seen become a very prevalent

issue in our own culture here in America in recent days.

But the.

Professor Bronski of Harvard University and so Michael Bronski serves as the

professor of practice in media and activism in studies of women gender and sexuality and so.

He is definitely.

As far as same -sex marriage is

concerned.

And so I've been asked to

tell you

different position of marriage is and we're going to talk about these

different issues that are Certainly coming to the surface.

Now is dr. Brodsky.

Professing to be a Christian of any kind.

Come on off from his

writings and things that I know of him.

I don't believe that he's Christian.

I could be wrong.

And we'll find out as we work through.

This book is in the infancy stage.

We don't even have a title for it at this moment.

So publication date is sometime probably late 2017.

But as far as the project goes now, we're simply working through the first chapter

together now.

And that's covering the subject of the definition of marriage and the backdrop of what

we're seeing.

Not only from a cultural standpoint, but but from a historical standpoint as well.

Well, if any of you want to keep up on the availability of that book keep.

Visiting praise mill calm, which is the website of praise mill Baptist Church.

P r a y s mill calm.

It's not spelt the way you might think it would be P r a y s mill calm and that's

because the founding pastors last name was pray, correct.

Yeah.

Amanda live in the community about a hundred and seventy four years ago.

And so he founded the church and so they named the church after his middle.

He had donated the laying of

the church.

So they named it after his mill and his name was Ephraim.

Yeah, it's a great name.

Obviously.

We do.

Let's see.

We have a couple of listeners who have emailed us already.

We have Aaron in Indiana.

Indianapolis, Indiana.

Who says first?

Thank you.

Pastor Bice for hosting and organizing this amazing g3 conference in January.

I heard Chris talking about it on iron sharpens iron a couple of months ago and registered to go all

by myself.

Immediately because I could not miss hearing that lineup of amazing speakers.

I cannot wait until January.

Next in the age of post -modernism Where there is where

there are no absolutes or authority.

I wondered what might be your advice pastor Bice to help me defend biblical marriage to those

friends who do not Presuppose that God is the author of marriage.

Where do I even begin in order to have credibility in a discussion of this topic?

Well, that's I think a perfect question to start the show off with.

Because you can now define marriage.

Sure.

Well, first

of all, who might not view God as the source or the

author?

I think that you can start in a couple of different ways.

I would start with the sufficiency of Scripture.

So you you must start there.

I think that you start with the authority of God's Word.

So when we approach any subject, especially the subject of marriage, we can't start with,

you know Opinions or Presuppositions or or ideas.

We have to start with something that hasn't.

We start with the foundation of Scripture.

And so we work from the Word of God, you know that

we're discussing so ultimately we go back and we find the foundation of all

of Humanity is Recorded for us in the in the Bible in Genesis chapter 1 in

chapter 2.

In God you

start to

then to logic for

it's

in a

logical on

flourishing.

I mean if you just think about logically

instituted by God then, you know, it's gonna be a it's gonna be very difficult for

rewriting definitions and Reinventing something that God himself Invented or

create.

We're only

seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Much of the problems from God

you

must start

to start their

sex

marriage.

And.

Isn't it just as nonsensical?

To say even the phrase Same -sex marriage as if that's a real thing.

Isn't that just as.

Isn't that just as nonsensical?

For me to say Let me introduce you to my brother Bob.

He is my mother.

I Mean wouldn't that I mean it's really because I'm just totally redefining things, right?

I mean He is not my mother he never could be or can be my mother

he's my brother he's not my mother.

He didn't give birth to me.

It would be impossible for him to give birth to me, etc, etc.

Isn't it just as meaningless?

First of all, you can't change the definition of marriage so you can call

it ship.

You can call it whatever you want to be

ship.

You can't categorize

that but rewriting a definition that God himself has

Institute ruled

by in society and and

you end up in a very strange

position.

That I think that most of the people who were driving this agenda

Decision have not really thought through to be married.

So you can't you can't you

know

that

the gay is

the

new

black

and rating

outside

restricted by law.

Rewriting and that God himself instituted we get

ourselves in really big trouble as we start thinking about other people.

Yeah, in fact those that are advocates of Same -sex marriage so -called

they have no grounds to oppose anyone else that wants to marry any

other at least.

Consenting adult they may they might have some kind of grounds for opposing something that

could be considered abuse of an unwilling party or a party that's not old enough to make a

Rational decision of that magnitude.

But.

They could at least say that.

We are should I say.

We could at least say they have no grounds to oppose a brother marrying a brother.

A sister marrying a sister a father.

Marrying his daughter or son.

A mother marrying her daughter or son.

I mean, they really have no grounds to oppose those things.

Do they?

Well logically no, they don't.

You know what our nation has done and said, okay homosexuality is is

Unnatural, it's not right that our nation

held to and so now what we've done is through political maneuvers.

We've taken you know What we want said was it not

able to be considered a genuine

marriage

definition of what marriage actually is.

So that now we can classify

Unthinkable to say now

always stand up and say we

want to be a want to

marry our

Knocking on the door saying we want equal status.

Yeah, the thing that amazes me is.

Why is it that there are Liberals and homosexuals or people who are

involved in that activity and Transgendered individuals and so

on and so on.

The list just gets longer.

But.

They will say that Pedophilia is wrong.

They will say they will even use words like evil and wicked and grotesque and and so

on and yet.

They think a child a little tiny child has enough

mental capacity and developed sense of logic and

morality to Make a decision about changing their gender.

So why is it that they don't see the inconsistency of that?

If a little tiny child has the right to choose to be of the

opposite gender Why on earth wouldn't they see that the next thing is?

Logical that that child has the right to choose whom he has sexual relations with.

That could be an adult, correct.

Correct and it doesn't add up.

But you know again you have you have

the idea that they're homosexual, right?

Yes, and they have have become all experts on this.

You know that it's amazing how they've all have this like defined set of rules

and Facts that they've come out of thin air.

That they are all allegedly experts on and we have to be immediately on the same page of expertise.

To use the same dictionary that they do and I mean it it's insane.

It's really this is really just a grotesque Experiment with guinea pigs and some of those

guinea pigs are children, aren't they?

We have you know, for instance, you know in the news recently in the past several months.

I mean you have a mother who's Shopping at a sign on

the aisle of the school

rage and so she sends a tweet target and.

So then that gets me seeing this idea.

Well We can't can

differentiate that between a building block set for

girl need for girls and boys to have gender -neutral choices.

Outrageous Circus of sin.

That's just and we're going to a break right now if you'd like to join us on the air.

We do still have a couple of people waiting to have their questions asked and answered and I thank you for your patience.

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We are discussing Marriage its definition and importance in the backdrop of

the legalization of so -called Same -sex marriage.

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City and state and country of residence.

We have Tony in Rock Hill, South Carolina.

Who says thanks for today's show and guest.

I'm increasingly troubled when Christians use so -called convincing secular arguments

to persuade the lost that biblical marriage needs to stay intact.

Yikes of all the Apostles.

And Jesus himself made clear that The world is blinded and cannot or will not

receive the ways of the Lord.

The Holy Spirit is the only thing that can penetrate their hearts of stone.

And this is only possible when God's Word is proclaimed to them.

Viz thus saith the Lord.

So why waste so much time showing a brilliant piece of art to a blind man.

And she says looking forward to g3 and.

And by the way, Tony, I'm sorry if I called you she if you're not a she but I'm just assuming with an eye at the End

that you're a woman, but I apologize if I'm wrong on that.

So.

Perhaps our listener Tony in Rock Hill, South Carolina may be saying that anything

outside of the canon as an argument in favor of

Marriage is a waste of time or improper.

I think that's where she's going.

Unless you heard something else.

What do you get out of that?

Well, Chris, I mean, I think that I would agree with foundational level.

I would say that, you know, we can't expect for unbelievers to understand the Word of

God or to be able to discern what scripture actually teaches as an unbeliever,

however.

When it comes to the subject of marriage, this is something that was rooted and grounded in creation

and so when we think about Unbelievers even an unbeliever can see the

value of marriage.

That's why so many Unbelievers are married every day.

That's why so many unbelievers have been married for centuries.

Dating back to marriage.

I would say we must find marriage.

Of course.

But I would say simply say

reject the Bible or not value of

it at the trust.

You open the blind eyes of the unbeliever to see and understand and to discern

the spiritual truths of scripture.

Yeah, and wouldn't you say that?

Just as if you were giving counsel or chastisement or warning

to a drug addict and if you were to say don't you realize that.

You know.

You were created in the image of God and you are making a mockery of it by destroying it and he says or she says

Well, I don't care about God.

You know, I don't believe in God.

So isn't it completely acceptable to say yes, but I love you and you're killing yourself.

This drug is destroying you and you're going to die.

I mean you could use other Arguments that don't necessitate using the words right out of Scripture,

correct?

Correct.

I mean you can always build logical.

We need to be in conversing with such people.

We need to be I think as Christians bringing them back to you know.

And understanding What the Bible actually says and then try to deal

with the issue from from that vantage point so long as they will listen to us and

Hopefully at that point we can make some ground as far as that, you know, their soul is concerned.

So we're always having these conversations and Enjoying these conversations that we can have in the

public square as Christian to Christ.

That's the ultimate goal because you see marriage.

The whole idea of writing a book about marriage it's not just to defend marriage against the

LGBT community.

It's far more than that.

We're understanding that, you know again, my

passion is far more than just debating over the issue of same -sex

marriage.

I mean, let's

talk about the

virtual

attack on marriage.

And again, we see that from the very beginning of.

Creation.

And we have a listener in Kinross Scotland Murray.

Who says is the liberal view that we Christians no longer have a right to define

the actual purpose of marriage?

Is it now in their eyes an open subject that anyone can state or do they now have

a working?

Alternative.

Given the much -welcomed advertising for the forthcoming g3 conference and the interest it is generating Is

there any possibility of it being streamed live for the benefit of those of us who cannot attend?

But would love to benefit from it.

So you have two different questions on completely different issues there.

From Murray in Kinross Scotland.

He says is it now in their eyes to the liberals an open subject that anyone

can state?

Or do they now have a working?

Alternative.

And as far as a definition to marriage in other words, I guess what he is saying or asking is.

Do they have a?

Specific definition and set of rules or litmus tests

that are necessary to teach what their Understanding of

marriages or are they saying?

In mass that anybody can make marriage anything they want it to make.

They want it to be.

Sure, the

United States is concerned.

I'm not so much upon my my Scottish decisions at this point.

Or is the problems so we're

just in the wake the aftermath of these decisions.

So we really don't know what they're thinking.

But logically back to the former discussion we would have to say yes, that's absolutely what you know.

What's taking place here?

It's an open book at this point.

So logically it's no book.

But we're going to start start seeing a lot of decisions that have to be

made to to really firm up.

What are marriage because certainly

some boundaries exist presently because we still have laws that you know.

Prevent polygamy and various

other, you know

ultimate door for

and

ideas and ideologies.

But but right now we really don't know

and Murray's second question is it is it going to be live streamed?

So he could watch it in Scotland the.

Typically do the live stream.

We haven't made a firm decision on that simply because we've changed the venue from our church campus to a

Convention Center over near the airport in Atlanta, so we'll be making some announcements about that.

But I would simply say to my to my Scottish friend I was able to visit Scotland last year and

it's a beautiful place.

So we would encourage you likewise to visit Atlanta, Georgia.

Do you know if you were anywhere near Ken Ross?

No, I wasn't.

I was in Edinburgh, I'm not sure where he's located but I was in Edinburgh, okay.

All right, there you have it Murray and why don't you just sell your bagpipes and buy some airline tickets and

come out to Atlanta, Georgia,.

I would love to meet you in person myself and I hope anybody that comes including Tony in

South Carolina who's had not ad whose question I just read earlier.

I hope you as well.

Greet me at the iron sharpens iron Exhibitors booth you said

looking forward to g3.

So I'm assuming Tony that you are coming as well to the conference and

You have written to us before Tony.

So maybe in the future if you could either put mr. Mrs. Or miss.

Because the to ni is throwing me off.

I'm not sure Which you are so thanks a lot for your question.

We do have let's see.

We have Tyler and mastic Beach.

Long Island, New York.

Who says when it comes to the biblical definition of marriage?

Why is it frowned upon in our society so much?

Is it due to man's wicked heart?

Something that we would consider to be very trivial or Murder

or if it's

Attraction

in the Greek and

depravity.

So when it comes to the issue of to

understand that that and I think that this is extremely important when we think about this

Same set

making a new.

This is ancient.

This is very old.

This is actually here in America

again.

I you know as I stated earlier, I don't think that you can.

If you

look at Justice Kennedy and this whole decision Justice Kennedy Simply

stated that marriage is a

keystone of

our social position among

the Justices was that they were seeking equal dignity

in the

eyes

in

the first place.

And so that's the issue that we're dealing with.

Well, and when you make those kinds of things the law of the land you are also

robbing Christians and even Orthodox Jews and others who have a biblical

concept of marriage.

You're robbing us of the dignity of our faith because what they are saying is that we're going to

pass a law that makes your belief system illegal in some senses

because because you're saying that for us to oppose a non -biblical

understanding of marriage is illegal.

And we are seeing this happening more and more where people are losing their their

livelihoods like bakeries and florists and other things are being fined

astronomically high penalties for refusing to participate in

these So -called marriages because of their their own personal biblical views on them.

You can't say that one Group is going to be legally enforced

As being accepted as legitimate where Without having those who for centuries had

a different view losing their rights.

Am I right.

Over this type of thing, it's a violation of their freedom.

You know, you want to talk about equal dignity and equal freedoms when you're restricting someone

In in America from being able to operate a business as they so desire and

Cause them to violate their own conscience.

That's what you call robbing people in freedom.

They're taking away freedom.

And so this is The very thing that they say that they're fighting for

taking freedom away and restricting freedom from other people such as the bakeries that you mentioned.

But now you spill over into the church and now you're starting to see the idea of them pressing

Upon this idea hurts for

instance that

would say officiate, you know that type of ceremony I mean, so now

you're going to lose your things of that nature.

So we're starting to very

much.

I.

Was just recently at a town

council town council meeting in regarding some laws

that are on the on the table to be passed.

That.

Local homosexual and homosexual Advocates

Are trying to get past his law that they are a protected status.

When the the irony is that there have been no

No on record no Real cases of any kind of

Discrimination against homosexuals or those practicing that behavior in this area.

There have been there have been no solid concrete instances of

Either violence towards them in the last, you know several decades or any other reason

that they would be demanding some kind of protected status.

And.

This when I was at the town hall.

At this meeting a Christian woman got up and eloquently was talking

about how Fearful she is to take her little.

Children.

Into public restrooms these days because she never knows who's going to be in there or who will come

in because of these unisex public restroom laws where a

transsexual Man or transvestite can just simply stroll into a woman's room

and use the facilities and.

After she sat down a woman who is either a lesbian or at least obviously an

advocate of homosexuality Got up and she said what that woman

is saying is nonsense and it's myth and

folklore and it's just total slander against the

LGBTQ community because.

The.

LGBTQ community Does not molest children.

It's heterosexual men that are doing the vast majority of

Child molestation, so I got up and I said to the panel there.

I Said I hope that you heard Through the smoke screen there

What is really being said?

These.

Activists who are demanding more rights special

rights as Homosexuals, they're not even really asking for equal rights.

They're asking for superior rights.

And if you heard what she said She is really basing this on.

Moral.

Superiority of homosexuals and transgendered people.

Because she is saying they would never molest a child.

We can all relax and be rest.

Be and rest assured that a child is never going to be in harm Harms way in their

presence in a restroom or anywhere else.

It's people like me that you gotta be looking out for.

She basically they're saying that heterosexuals especially men are inferior in

their morals.

Because we are the ones who were Theoretically or potentially more dangerous than they are.

So they're actually claiming superiority.

Isn't aren't they.

Isn't that the only logical conclusion you can draw?

Mothers would not typically Do something that's beyond their

their motherly instinct such as drive their car down a boat ramp with their children in the Seat in the

back seats buckled man and drown their children, you know.

But we see cases after cases of things that have

transgender LGBTQ

community is just so children is just beyond

it's just absurd.

I mean if anyone that would violate their God

-given free

and pursue An ungodly relationship in essence spitting in the face of

God.

They're beyond child

abuse just not even logically

and and we have.

Aaron in Indianapolis, Indiana is following up with a Second question

or follow -up question.

She says how do I answer intelligently when they Her non -christian friends

come back with the fact that Christians abuse heterosexual marriage By divorce rate being

as bad as non -christian divorce rates.

And I'm glad that the question was asked the problem with

the rewrite Constitution and bylaws

and protect ourselves to get you know, the whole, you know same -sex

agenda.

Here's the problem.

Here's the inconsistency you have churches that are rewriting Constitution and bylaws and having

business and in members meetings where they're, you know, making decisions to completely

You know Rewrite these governing document selves against this agenda.

On at the very same time for many years.

They've been overlooking the issue of failed marriages in their church.

They've been overlooking, you know pornography Use in their church.

They've been overlooking Premarital sex.

Churches now Chris

that have Not practiced biblical church discipline in the

past 50 to 100 years.

And yet now they're rewriting Constitution and bylaws to protect themselves against the same -sex

agenda.

It's a bit Inconsistent if you if you if we're really honest, it's just really inconsistent.

So I think the best thing that we could do as an evangelical church is not Apologize

to the LGBTQ community.

I think the best thing that we could do is to apologize.

We must address

being together in the church pew.

You're saying well, you know, I want to I want to have a growing church.

So we're gonna allow them to join the church, but they're not they're not married and they're just living together.

That's a violation of

the same thing with adultery.

You know if

we're gonna turn

up against

being right now in the evangelical church.

We've got to go to another break right now, and if you'd like to join us on the air.

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This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours is Pastor Josh Bice senior

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And going back to just briefly.

Well, I think we overlooked the reason or the meaning behind g3 in the g3

conference.

That's gospel grace and glory.

That's correct

Conference so we're not blushing about that.

We're not, you know ashamed of it.

We're not a pep rally for Christians or an entertainment outlet.

We are, you know existing for the purpose of Furthering sound doctrine and encouraging

people in the faith and.

People will most of our listeners will say well, yeah, I completely understand

Gospel and grace, but what are you specifically meaning by glory in the theme?

Yeah, I think the pursuit of the Christian life is to glorify God, you know.

I think that we you know glorify God we enjoy him forever.

I think that we need to Most glorify God Through the right

preaching of the gospel through the right Understanding of who God is as he's revealed himself to us

in Scripture.

So we want to make sure that we're not perpetuating this idea of

just a trivialized approach to the pulpit ministry but a high view of

Scripture a high view of God a high view of the church and Right proclamation.

So that's the goal.

That's the idea.

Great use.

You mentioned something the earlier that I wanted to return to you

were talking about the sinfulness of same -sex attraction

and I was wondering what your reaction would be to my belief that

there is a.

Lot of.

Evangelical Christianity.

Or a lot of individuals who would profess to be evangelicals.

Who in an overreaction perhaps?

To.

People like Fred Phelps the late Fred Phelps and the God hates fags group

Who want to distance themselves? Understandably 180 degrees away from that kind of hate which

is genuine hate because they delight in The fact that unrepentant homosexuals going to hell they

get a big kick out of it.

They just love that idea.

They were always got the big smiles on their faces when they're talking about it, and they don't even call homosexuals to

repent.

They don't even believe That there is going to be a possibility in their future for that to occur.

They believe that they have been turned over Completely and forever to that wickedness

and therefore we're just basically to openly condemn them And not call them to repentance, so obviously that is an

evil heretical and Dangerous mindset, but there are evangelicals.

I think maybe you disagree, but it seems that there are evangelicals Who are really

going too far.

To.

Overcome that stereotype by being overly soft on the issue and

They it seems even buy into secular a secular

mindset by categorizing the gay community as a group

of people that actually Have that separate identity from the rest of us as if

they are African -american Asian Hispanic Native American or what have you

a Western European and You have the gay community that they seemed there's a lot than the language

that is used by a lot of evangelicals and trying hard not to be

unnecessarily offensive when they proclaim the gospel.

They use these secular and I think unbiblical categories and Even might give the

impression that there is nothing Really sinful about same -sex attraction as long as you're not

doing Anything with that like even the Roman Catholic Church basically has that position that as long as a

man is chased for instance They welcome him into the priesthood even if he

openly confesses to having a same -sex attraction.

It's almost like that.

There's there's a morally neutral Ramification to that if it's

not acted upon but that's that's totally unbiblical, isn't it?

Well, it is I think so, I

think that there's

again I abhorred that group of

visiting Indianapolis, Indiana.

I was out there for the Southern Baptist Convention a number of years ago and they were Protesting

on the streets into lunch and or

by their approach.

I had seen them on television I've seen them and you know print, you know publications before but not

really.

Until that moment on the streets

Scream hate into the doors and to the windows of these people that were stopping, you know.

In the inner city streets of Indianapolis when I came back

a boy standing next to his father and he was just screaming Hey, but there was it was all

judgment and there was no grace to engage this man with the gospel

and he you know.

He of course completely rejected what I had to say.

Shared the gospel which is good there

for the next maybe 20 minutes or so.

And then every time he would preach hate and judgment and I

would echo the gospel Into the windows of those streetlight

there and so that ended up following up with an interview that I had with

published on my delivered by grace blog site and Then eventually later on I wrote an article that

asked this, you know, they're always saying God hates, you

know.

The Southern Baptist Convention.

So does God hate Westboro Baptist of

what

the gospel actually is?

They even excommunicated Fred Phelps before he left this planet.

And

they

also unfortunately share our confession the 1689 London Baptist Confession.

Yeah, but they're right, right.

I understand it.

But if you go to if you go to the issue of being too soft on this do you

think that you can error by being Too soft.

I think that you can say to someone that's That's struggling with same

-sex attraction, but temptation and I think that you

could give them by being too soft.

I think you give them enough rope to hang themselves with it beyond.

Yes.

And so I

think you should

be on my wife

some type of

you know Phantom

who struggles with something that I've never struggled with which is same -sex attraction.

But I am aware of the fact that there are people that really genuinely have that type of struggle that type of

issue.

I think the issue is this they need to find their Help in God.

They need to find their help in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Did this whole idea that We can just live as gay

Christians that catavans.

You can't live with this idea of why I'm just a gay adulterer, you know, I'm just a Christian

adulterer I'm just a Christian, you know murderer or something of that nature.

You just you don't Perpetuate, you know an unconfessed

same time the Bible speak to your heart.

They have a new nature.

They've been changed.

They've been delivered in chapter

said in the

name of the

Lord

Jesus

Christ by the spirit of our

God.

The issue is this and

can you

as Christian for the idea

of just being

a gay Christian.

Yes, and it's so refreshing to hear Rosaria Butterfield who is one of the speakers at the g3

conference.

Who is completely devoid of political correctness and even though she?

Was a lesbian a very proud lesbian and leftist.

Professor a tenured professor at Syracuse University.

Now that she has been transformed.

She realizes that a lot of the labels that the secular society has come up with to

make Homosexuality more palatable or more praiseworthy even

even the the title gay.

She does not agree with Christians using that kind of terminology.

She will use gay in certain circumstances when it's just using a phrase that a

particular group of people are using in writing to identify themselves, but she does not think that we should

use that as a routinely as a adjective for somebody involved in homosexual

behavior.

Yeah, I mean they take Terminology like that

they use it for you know, immoral purposes.

So yeah, I would agree with that.

Mindset as well.

Yeah, because if you're younger than 50 or 40 And you're hearing

some of these beautiful old songs from an earlier error.

Where the word gay is used people are young.

People are probably scratching their heads and wondering is this guy Involved in homosexuality or something because he's

using the word gay.

No, that just means happy joyful and they hijack that from our vocabulary.

Yes, and

believe it

or

not,

I don't know

why I have never done this before but I just.

Looked up on the internet version of the Merriam -Webster dictionary marriage.

Because I wanted to see if what if anything was changed.

And this is the first time I actually have done this.

I'm amazed at myself that I've never done this before.

This before but here's the Merriam -Webster definition and Daniel Webster is

Would be rolling over in his grave right now if he actually knew this happened.

First it says the relationship that exists between a husband and a wife and then it says as a second

definition a Similar relationship between people of the same sex.

Now, isn't it?

Interesting?

It doesn't.

They couldn't even bring themselves because I think people are still trying to figure this out.

It's such a new thing.

They didn't say it's exactly the same thing.

Did they they said it's a similar thing and then when they go lower and lower down and has the

full definition it says the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as Husband or

wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law number two the state

of being united to a person of the same sex in a Relationship like that of

a traditional marriage, so they obviously had to update their.

We're on the precipice just in the aftermath and they're already trying to bend the definition of

marriage as I said.

You know.

Yeah, and it's also unfortunate that

people overlook.

As if it's inconsequential that every Psychiatry and

psychological textbook prior to the 1970s had homosexuality listed

as a behavioral behavioral disorder and.

That it was, you know viewed as a mental illness and all and overnight it vanished from

the from the textbooks and.

But there are there are even some old -school Psychiatrists and psychologists,

they're probably very few in number but those that are not even Christians.

Who say that this is a very very dangerous trend?

That it has occurred and is occurring and getting more and more foothold.

I used to occasionally get emails from a.

Jewish.

Psychiatrist on Long Island, New York.

His name escapes me right now.

But he in fact was even liberal in his political ideology with the

exception of this area and he was abhorred by

Absolutely astonished by this these developments where homosexuality

has totally been not only gained the status of being

something on the same par of normality as heterosexuality, but it's something that we should be celebrating

and You know having nothing, but exuberant joy and

adulation.

To look at this as some kind of a wonderful beautiful and heroic activity.

Yeah.

It's very

troubling but I won't go beyond that to make sure that I address something that's at the heart of this issue as Far as this

book project is concerned.

That's the issue of course.

Yeah.

It was broken by divorce my earliest memories of life or my mother and father fighting

and The home was and so finally my mom told me

at about five years of age that my dad wasn't coming back.

He wasn't coming home.

And so I remember being confused and then my mom

remarried another gentleman who is extremely abusive to her.

And I as well for time in my life

years later.

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My mom would become a believer and our lives are completely different now.

In fact, I have the privilege now, although both have been remarried for or many years

I have the privilege of pastoring both my mother and my father in in our church here in Douglasville

but but the point I'm making is this an Awful lot of people make horrible decisions

and especially those within the church when you look at divorce stats.

You're talking about 50 % basically across the board that's including professing Christians.

And I know that there's to play with the numbers a bit

that you're talking

about who are making decisions.

Based on the fact in

our

church, so I certainly can't

Elaborate

on it too much

me that

her husband.

I just want to look at my life and say I

have years of life.

Maybe

a

brother loosely at this point

because I'm not quite just

what the Bible says vision.

That's not and so finally I got to the very end of the discussion and

before we left I said listen I said

I want to think you will never

experience it.

And I think that if you

claim think

that you're in danger

of dying and going and he just looked at me.

I'm a Christian

looking and

we think that

children by

the way.

We think that children are going to just be happy every

time divorce happens it hurt.

We need to keep that in mind as well.

So, you know same -sex divorce.

The radical feminism movement, you know.

These are all issues that I think that we've been seeing just continually

want to it's suited by

God for a purpose and that's to put on display the Relationship between Jesus Christ and his

bride the church and so at the heart of this whole debate is the gospel.

Amen, and Of course, you have a lot of people who go beyond

trying to just make Their decision for divorce when there's no clearly no

biblical grounds in their specific circumstances When they actually will

pass the buck on To their children and make it seem like they are actually doing

a very noble and courageous Thing by saying we're really doing this for the

children we're we're splitting up we're getting a divorce because we think we have to put the

children's interests first and We realize that if we remain married the children

are going to suffer and so on.

Now the only scenario I could actually think of that having any legitimacy is if one of the

spouses is of Puts the children in physical danger of some kind if they're

Beating them in some kind of sadistic and evil way or sexually abusing them or something.

But where do you?

How do you respond to what I just said I?

Think you're right would not be

mom and dad divorce and break this covenant that was instituted by God.

But on display the gospel We're to be covenant keepers not

covenant children.

In those homes to see mom and dad who are saying marriage is more than just Than love.

It's more than just being in love with one another.

It's about being committed to one another in the good times and in the bad times.

And so we're going to work through this and then years later when those when those children grow up and they start

having marriage problems They're not just going to push the the one call.

That's all attorney button.

Did you get some type of quick? uncontested divorce.

They're going to actually spend time working through difficulties and and making sure

that their marriage actually last.

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We have an anonymous listener in New York pastor Josh who says.

What do you believe are biblical reasons to get divorced if any

looking

at Reasons that we could find in Scripture.

I do think that If you look at the Bible and you see what the scripture actually teaches there are you

know, different views on this on this very issue so there's There's a what you

might call divorce and no remarry permanence

view is permitted but not remarried and Then there's

the permissive view one clause a one option for

marriage based on adultery only.

It's a view to clause view would allow for divorce under the

circumstances of adultery and abandonment.

So I've had some time to think through this issue in my own life and ministry and I think that

Not just from my own ideas or what I feel but I think when you just look at what the

scripture teaches I think the main idea of marriage is that it be a permanent

thing traded with that.

We see things happening that say

Matthew's

gospel.

You see

it in the

Sermon on the Mount in

Matthew chapter Corinthians 7

and with the gospel.

So I think that under under

adultery and abandon

remarried, but

I do think I

think

it's a case

-by -case issue.

But I do think that we have to be very careful and in drawing a

hard fat disagree.

Yeah, I have friends on nearly every side of this

Issue and I've interviewed folks who have differing views on that.

But it seems to be clear at the very least from 1st Corinthians 7

15 that although Pursuing a divorce is not specifically

mentioned but Paul says If the unbelieving one leaves let him

leave.

The brother or sister is not under bondage in some such cases.

So would you say that that is?

Very clear at least permission given for.

The.

Spouse.

The believing spouse to accept a divorce not necessarily pursuing it.

But she's just letting her husband leave or vice versa, obviously.

Whoever the unbeliever is if they leave and if they really want to leave let them leave.

Right.

And then of course there were even some that say because of some reason or another if one of the spouses

Stops having physical relations with the person that that's abandonment.

Well, those are things that can be worked through.

Obviously, correct.

Jews

who

had violated their marriage covenant and so as a result of that they were free to just issue

a bill of divorce.

But so, you know, there's there's a desire to pervert

to be at

the heart now having

said all that about the seriousness.

Of.

Marriage and that the view and the goal is is permanence.

Are there not too many Christians who are making lepers out of

those who have been divorced.

Even people who are clearly the Victims of the divorce that may not have even wanted the divorce at

all.

Maybe even fought against the divorce and yet it's somehow viewed as the unpardonable sin and they are looked upon as

As something less than Sanctified and so on.

They did not want divorce and they tried to avoid it with every fiber of their being yet

in seeking to keep that covenant.

There was nothing that they could do unfortunately, and so they were divorced.

And so in many evangelical circles you have Those people being treated as if

you know, it's the scarlet D that's been just plastered upon them.

And so their identity.

Unfortunately for the rest of their lives is the divorced one.

Well, that's just simply that.

That's just not Biblical and that's you know, that's not the way you treat people for one

thing.

But that's certainly not the way that you should look at someone as having an identity and something that happened to them.

I think that you know, we need to help people walk through these these Decisions and make

wise careful biblical decisions when it comes to the issues of marriage and divorce and remarriage.

Do you think the root of a lot of?

Marital.

Problems and even divorces and perhaps maybe all of These problems in some

way is at at its root is because We who are

sinners I've had we have amnesia About who it

was that God saved and what we were like when we were saved.

We seem to at some point Have this glorious

Gratitude and Thanksgiving and praise towards a merciful God

who saved a wretch like me and yet when

Someone that were married to sins against us we just we reciprocate with

with you know anger and.

Condemnation and.

You know.

Absolutely, no humility at times and we just want all right.

This is this is over with you're out of here or I'm out of here.

It seems like we can recognize that we were fallen.

Totally depraved and rescued from our wretchedness, but we don't want to.

Do.

We don't want to have that same kind of merciful attitude towards one that we have vowed to love for the rest of our lives.

You

must Seek a divorce in

people that if at all possible it might

take months or even years to work through it.

But but but it's worth it.

And we're seeing so much divorce and so much perversion of marriage.

Even within the church and even churches now who are becoming gay affirming and all of this, you know

perversion.

Lack of church.

And we're not

practicing biblical church discipline.

Reaching

these

and trying to be up to speed with our culture.

And we're overlooking sin.

See dividing the Word of God and standing upon an authoritative sufficient

word.

So, I mean

you have actually among the reformer

like Andy Stanley who preached an entire Sermon

as he was

counseling with

them.

He said he had to rebuke

them, but

he never called their homosexual

relationship a sin.

And so this is what we're seeing today.

And so in the Evangelical community we need to remember that

the Holy Church must be

and not capitulating to the cultural agendas of the day.

This is off -topic.

Some somewhat but have you heard anything about Charles Stanley?

Making any public comments in reaction or response to some of the things his son has been saying and teaching.

I do know that it's been nice to be quite honest that I'm not the only one saying it.

You know, I took a lot of recent months

about Andy Stanley.

But it's not me just throwing a rock at you know, a megachurch pastor across the.

This is you know that needs to be addressed.

And so James White has been addressing it.

Michael Kruger has been addressing it today this morning

Albert

Moeller standing firm on these issues.

Amen, and especially, you know people get bent out of shape and think that when you

do something like that you're doing something on Christlike even something unloving on

unkind proud arrogant Pharisaic.

But the thing is when somebody especially is a public figure and they're writing

Best -selling books and they're on national TV programs and radio programs

Feeding the minds of countless Millions of people.

It's it's a duty of a Christian to speak up, isn't it?

You know that Paul was, you know writing to the church saying that he you know, he's just

astounded at how

Afford to be soft on the sufficiency of Scripture because when we're

soft on the sufficiency of Scripture and the authority of Scripture

mindset with different types

of Perversions and so one of those will certainly be the idea that well, you know

if the Bible is not completely sufficient.

Then maybe we need to update it to state that maybe you know in our present

culture, you know women should be pastors and elders and and we need to do away with this idea of male

domination and we need to make sure that we Free women from from the

cage of marriage and children are a bad thing.

And we need to make sure that we're Supporting, you know abortion to make sure we free up,

you know women to just pursue their dreams and goals in life.

Certainly don't don't get married because then you're going to be under male domination.

You

reject.

Yeah, we

have an anonymous listener from Suffolk County, Long Island.

Who says.

What is your reaction to some of the men who may be even? in

theology and doctrine in lockstep with you Who have become

discouraged and even have become opponents of Bible conferences

and Saying that they are creating celebrity pastors, I know that you are

Obviously organizing conferences annually and disagree with that.

But how do you respond to that kind of criticism?

Uh -huh.

Guilty of you know, worshiping celebrity pastor or

Speaker.

Look, you know in their local

church, so they're gonna yeah worship the

most prominent one or whatever else.

I think that we need to make sure we're

not trying in the mindset to the

g3 conference this year.

You can expect that there will be no cattle gates at the front that you know.

I.

Attendee, we're just not going to do that.

You know, we do have security people that have been hired for this conference.

But look here's the deal.

We want to try to put a group of people together.

People's lives encourage them and strengthen local churches.

And so that's the goal behind conference like the g3 conference.

And so yeah, I disagree with the celebrity mentality as well.

But I think that just doing away with conferences altogether is not necessarily the best idea either.

Yeah, I am.

I am very happy that every pastor that I have ever had

Very much eagerly and zealously supported conferences.

He every pastor that I've had never was so jealous of

His pulpit or attention to him and his own sermons and teachings that he frowned upon

the congregation.

Learning and growing and discovering from other like -minded men

of faith at conferences and Let's be honest is

brilliant and as gifted and godly and wise as any pastor is.

He cannot be an expert on everything and there are other men of God that have studied other

issues certain issues.

That.

Pastors themselves are Rejoicing to learn and to

discover and grow in their own knowledge and you know be further equipped When

they hear their their peers bringing forth issues from the Word of God that they

just because it is impossible to Know everything in the unsearchable riches of

Scripture.

You know, it's every issue is with equal depth as every other man.

I mean, that's that's obviously one of the reasons that God has given us a gift of throughout the centuries of

so many Gifted teachers and preachers and writers and so on.

Yeah, I always look forward to Going to a good conference where the

speakers are Known for their biblical orthodoxy and of course don't

always agree with everything that is said or every every man.

But.

You know, obviously even if we always agreed with every single thing that any

human being says, you know, you might have to check yourself for a a.

Cult like.

Mentality, you know just Being in lockstep with

with Everything that any man of God is teaching or any any professed man of God is teaching

And throwing out the admonition that Paul gave to the Bereans.

So I Would like you now to Summarize what you most want etched in

the hearts and minds of our listeners today before they leave the broadcast pastor Josh.

So we are to be covenant keepers not covenant breakers every

single divorce same

-sex.

Ideology, whatever it might be the attack on marriage is an attack on Jesus

Christ.

There's a there's a desire to upon, you

know, this beautiful thing that God has instituted called marriage.

I would also encourage the churches.

The pastors the members of church

afraid to reach out to them with the gospel of

Jesus Christ, you know I'll just share a story quickly.

When I first came to pastor this church that I've served now here in Douglasville I had grown up

here as a boy and I had been gone away for a period day that I was

in the pulpit.

There was a gentleman sitting in the congregation.

Someone

that he knew in

the church

there and then eventually wanted to speak with me.

So we called the church office set

up a meeting

and we got

together to tell my parents to tell my family goodbye because he was Going to commit suicide.

He had actually he was a sheriff's

deputy at the time and

he had gotten his

say goodbye to his family first so he stopped and Then eventually came to church the next morning where he

heard the gospel through that that

God used the gospel believer.

He eventually became a deacon in this church, and then he eventually Made

in

chapters

in our life.

So

that's

what

happened

in my friend's life.

That's what can happen in anyone in your community as well.

And it is not through our whisper any of that.

It's not through through anything that comes a man and I

want to

thank you so much pastor Josh for being

on the program.

Today, especially because I know that you are a very busy man.

And I am so eagerly looking forward to meeting you in person at the g3 conference

January 19th through the 21st and to repeat that website for any of you who are

interested in possibly going to that Conference or recommending it to somebody else who

may be able to attend especially if they live near Atlanta.

The website address is g3 conference .com.

G3 conference .com.

Also praise Mill Baptist Church's website where pastor Josh is the pastor is

praise mill.

That's p r a y s mill dot -com.

P r a y s mill Dot -com.

And then don't forget about the blog that pastor Josh Weiss

hosts.

Delivered by grace dot -com.

Delivered by grace dot -com.

I Look forward to having you back on the program.

I also look forward to interviewing you as many of the g3 speakers as I possibly can get on the

program.

I want to thank everybody who listened to the program today and especially those who took the time to

write With questions.

I'm sorry that there were a few of you that we could not we did not have the time to Read your questions on the air,

but perhaps next time.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives That Jesus Christ is a far

greater Savior than you are a sinner.

We look forward to receiving your questions for our guests in the future on iron sharpens iron radio.

God bless.