Catholicism Analysis Aftershow from M2M

Okay, doing an after show so just hold on it'll we'll get people in here a little bit. So doing this take a little bit for people to come on. Sorry about the I'm listening. Okay. All right. Okay. There we go.

For some reason. It's not working on rumble right now. Don't know why it isn't but. So this is an after show. We'll see if anybody shows up. I said 10 or 15 minutes, so I might just get some people some time here before they they come in.

I started it right away. I was working on the The information to get this so people can come in and talk and hopefully some Roman Catholics will. There we go. Get a little cool air in here because it does get a little warm in this office with four monitors and a bunch of lights.

There we go.

Laura's in. I was not ten minutes. No, it wasn't Laura. The rumble one won't won't kick in. Oh, I think I know why I could have to do something with it. I have to do something differently with the rumble each time.

That's what it is and I didn't do that. It's been a while since I set up the rumble. So I guess we won't have the rumble thing. I'll just do the I'll just do the YouTube and here and that'll be that totally good for now.

All right. So you want to come on in? We'll see if anybody shows up. We'll see if anybody shows up. I don't think they're going to. Did you watch the whole thing Laura? Did you were you paying attention?

You can let me know I'm Correct. Of course, I'm correct. I mean that just goes without saying. She wrote in it in the chat here. I don't think we can see that because you're correct. Yeah, that's right.

All right.

That's some coffee in here. It's been sitting in this cup for a while and it kind of Clumps up a little bit. Yeah, I thought it was interesting and I Noticed that some guys have trouble sticking with it the time constraints.

I try and keep it right there. What they said I say just tell me what time to stop at I'll quit at that time. That's what I tell. So anyway. Alright, let's see. It was great. Good Joanne and humbled clay and Laura.

I'm hoping some Roman Catholics come in because that's right because I am so slick, you know. When you're slick, you know, what are you gonna say? It's just how it is. I Like being slick, you know, you gotta probably tired of that like tall man.

Let's see what he's got here. Let me go over here. Not that. And I'm talking and filling things in and I got the outlines done. Oh, that's right. They're gonna tell Let's see quick and slick that's right during the show.

During this you saw me doing stuff. I was working on karm and So I got the outlines updated for the schools I did them all FYI to tell Dave he's gonna do some stuff with it, but I did it already. I finished all The all three schools outline things.

I did it while.

Waiting on.

The Saturday. What it was that Catholic analysis conference thing. Analysis. I just did them. Oh, yeah, cuz it okay. See Matt is much like this. Okay. Well, you know you guys are welcome to come in here if you want.

I'll put this URL here and you can come in and check it out If you come in. So get this, okay, I'm gonna tell you something. I'm really discouraged about something. This I'll ramble here a little bit.

So you guys know that my daughter's car went on the kaputs. So I had this car I've been using for years and years. 2012 Ford and So long story short, we sold it to our daughter and then we put the money into getting me another car with some other money.

So we spent three four weeks looking for a car and finally ended up getting one and got a Lexus RX 350, you know, it's like eight years old and Okay, it's been running great. So yesterday. Was it yesterday yesterday?

I go into the garage to Get the car and go do an errand. It won't start. That's interesting. Won't start and It goes which usually is a sign of a dead battery. I'm going what the heck is going on, you know, is it because I left the lights on but it has an auto feature so shouldn't do that and It just didn't feel right.

It didn't sound right. So, okay. Okay. So this morning I jumped it with my wife's car. Jumper cables got it running. I let it run for an hour you know supposed to let it run 20 minutes a half hour and.

Then.

That's when let me see. I get audio. Good. Yeah, that's good and. And then you're supposed to charge the battery. I figured the battery was dead for some reason. So I got an hour running on an hour. I turn it off go to turn it right back on it won't start and while it was running I Looked at it and I realized the one of the headlights is out.

Don't know if it's a starter. Don't know if it's the alternator. Don't know if it's the battery. But that has me concerned obviously, and so the headlights is out and. Okay, so that's not good and. And then you know, I'm working.

You know, I get it started and I turn it off and it starts beeping in different ways. You know beep beep beep three beeps. And what the heck's going on. I tried to open up the Latch in the back. I'm gonna hit the starter.

I used to work on cars, you know, you had crawl underneath you gotta find it. You gotta bang it. It started the starter. It can just happen something's wrong with the electrical. It's the battery or the alternator.

So anyway, so I couldn't get the tailgate to open up.

I.

Was trying to get it started. That was interesting. And then I you know, I finally got it. The car started. Then it would open up the tailgate. Okay, then I once the car wouldn't start again ago. I'm done with this.

This is ridiculous. So I just went in the house and did a few things. It came out like 10 minutes later and I go in there and the the engines running. I'm like what the what the heck the engines running.

But I turned it off. I.

Mean.

Just dumbfounded. So then I get in the car and I realize it's not running something in the engine is just spinning real fast like the Radiator fan like what the heck is going on? So I hit the brake and hit the turn off button, you know start stop then everything quits.

Get these beeps I said I'm done and so what we're gonna do is Sunday night. I'm gonna jump start it again and I'm gonna drive it over to a place that we already have a schedule just to have it looked at by our mechanic and So they're gonna look at it and Then that night I'm supposed to drive it over to where I got it CarMax.

Because there's a slight ticking in the engine which is not the can or it cannot be a big deal. But I figured because I spent that much money in a car. It's fun. You know, just have it checked that's all it could be just cold lifters, which isn't a big deal and So I went over there and I and we made an appointment.

So that's Monday night I got to take it in because they want to listen to it cold Tuesday. So what I'm gonna do is Sunday get it started drive it over to the.

The.

Mechanics place we have a great mechanics place. Put the key in the ignition. Tell them we're having trouble starting it. Then have them look at it. Tell me what's wrong with it. I'll probably see the battery the alternator whatever it is.

And then I'm gonna have them to say call me and then I'm gonna say but don't fix it. Just get it started because if it runs it runs and hopefully I can get it to. You know to CarMax, all right, I'll just get my cables and because it ran for an hour.

Okay, it ran for an hour. So I don't think it's the alternator. I think it's the battery. That's what I think so that I'll just drive it over there Sunday night or Monday night and Leave it so that Tuesday they can check everything and I'm gonna say the ticking.

Maybe the battery one of the headlights is out. Why is it you guys haven't caught this stuff and I'm concerned that it might be a lemon now do I and I have 30 days to turn the car back in? I'm in my third a week like three and a half weeks.

So I had this ability to say look, you know what? I don't trust it. So I'm gonna you know, give it back and then go through the process of trying another car, which I hate all this stuff. So that's what I'm dealing with today.

Okay, I feel a little bit kind of almost better but not really kind of I hate car trouble. Also, I used to work on cars. I mean I should build them. And I mean I've literally have built engines from the ground up where all the parts to the engines are in boxes.

And you put you pull everything out laid out and I mean you put the block you put the crank you crank bearings you put the grease on me, I mean all the way up and Done it I've been doing if I'd be doing that if it isn't the batter the batter Doesn't come with a batter.

You mean pancake batter or do you mean baseball batter? Yeah, it should be good. It's a nice car. But what I'm concerned about now is is it a lemon? But this model in this year supposed to be really good.

They you know the review say yeah, it's a good it's a good model. It's a good thing. So it could be just one of those coincidences. So I'm just gonna you know, see I love working on cars. My body doesn't allow that anymore I used to like working on cars used to sleep under and So we also we got the car we got the Extended warranty on it so that anything happens they have to take care of it.

Anything.

So if the engine needs to be rebuilt because of the lifters. Praise God is I tell my wife I say When something goes wrong, I say just wait. Something usually goes better because of it.

So.

If it goes wrong and I say the lifters the headlight the battery you guys check it out. You got to make sure it's right or I'll turn the car back in. I'll just tell them and We'll see what happens so maybe I'll end up something better which I would not complain about.

Okay. Looks like none of these guys are going to show up. So, okay, let me ask you what did you think of the The presentation that they did that he's the guys on all of us on and talking. Did you like that?

I would like to see that like to see karma do I can arrange the same thing. I Just want to know and karma the lady. She did a good job of moderating. I'm gonna have her do mine, too. What book did the believers teach out of since a New Testament was not completed?

Old Testament and whatever was provided for by the Apostles. At that they had in their local area so so do you guys like my presentation of Stuff on Mary. Oh, man, I didn't listen to other guys, but man I get so irritated by Catholicism.

Oh I do not like it. Yeah, seeing a new feature or something on a new Program. Oh, I get it.

Interesting. Huh?

Microsoft meet is you know meeting thing is in with my phone. Enjoyed all the speakers. Good. She's gonna replace me. Ernie and Laura and Charlie. Not sure who this she is. Wish the kayak look would have joined get another few minutes.

They don't. I don't come out just fail. Yeah, I know all those guys and could I can call them up and say hey one do something similar. But I had to tell him when your time's up your time's up. Don't just keep going.

And because some of them are rather verbose and they just go way beyond. I Like to be quick and slick. Get it done get it done. Yeah, Carmen. Yeah. She's great. It's worth with George and I've met George several times.

He is such a good man of God. He is so great and He runs a ministry to Muslims. I mean Carmen's gonna replace us. What does that mean? She's gonna replace us. I mean all of you guys. Yeah. Do Catholics have in fighting especially if they disagree with their Pope?

Yes, they do. Yeah, there are. They keep it under wraps. But there are priests and stuff that don't agree with the Pope in a lot of areas and it's it comes up. It does happen. I haven't documented it, but it does happen.

Okay. What's this what is this for? Anybody want to guess? What is that? It's something special. What is it? I have a Conan wants in. I can't see the send link. It's right there and I'll put it in the private show.

Nobody's in private chat. You can see it, but It's there. So that's it and it is on here if you go here. It should be let me check to make sure it worked. You're right. It's a backscratcher. It's exactly right.

It's what it is. My mom had it. So it's like 40 years old or 50 years old or something. So, where's the count see if it didn't show up. I believe it did. Because I sent it to do it after so there it is see right there.

To participate join right there. It's all right there list it it's listed. They should.

Okay.

Excuse me, huh? Pretty cool. I'm waiting and. Okay, here I am here. I am. This is Matt. All right. So if anybody in here wants to come in or whatever, there's the link. And you can just join in. If you don't want to do it, that's fine.

Give it another few minutes and if it no one wants to come in all this bail. I got things to do as. Always, how can they uphold? How can they they can't because they can't you're asking me to tell you how to do something that they can't do.

They can't do it. So you're saying how possibly could have you say, you know, I don't know. Lost audio. Did y 'all. Can you hear me? Test one two, give me a test. I'll check the settings. Test one two three now the settings are still working and the audio is still working.

Good here. Ryan says that's what I was wondering. John a it's like they needed reformation from their hair a radical Pope. That's for sure. They do you know, I'm looking in the text here in the feed. So do you guys want to find or just throw some questions in on any topic?

I'll be glad to answer some of them and if you don't want to that's fine.

Okay.

And I'll give it a few more minutes to the maybe the top of the hour if isn't pick up a little. It's just an offering to the Catholics when they come in. That's all. Yeah, that was good, yeah. You guys ever use these ever use this.

By the way, Ernie you got enough now to get that Computer almost there though. Okay, we're good.

So.

Nobody's ever use it. I love the Oculus thing 3d worlds you can hit your thumb on the controller and you just walk really fast. I like that. Close. Okay good. Okay top of the hour if people aren't coming in asking questions, I'll just close it not a big deal and Nick's not doing well today.

So We can hear you Matt. Don't worry Sky apologetics, that's really up there. That's good. No was my answer to the virtual headset. Oh, okay. Yeah, I've shown people some stuff. They have one of the things they had it under construction again dinosaurs and It's automated in it.

It walks you through and I mean they're around you and they're coming with it like like this close. You're like, whoa, it's awesome.

And.

I've really bad acrophobia. I mean, it's ridiculous. I don't like being on the sides of buildings when I get a hotels. They say what room do you want? You know, 17th floor ago. No down low, please. I really have a bad fear of heights.

I got traumatized when I was a kid. Never got over it. So sometimes people have these places I go they'll invite me to go into. To chat right. And they make these things sometimes like the edge of a precipice.

And I'm like, ah, you can't do it. So that I tell people what are you doing? You know. What's my interpretation of Revelation 8 3? It's a good verse. That's what my interpretation is. Revelation 8 3. Another angel came and stood at the altar holding a golden censer and Much incense was given to him so that he might add it to the prayers of all the saints of the golden altar.

Yeah.

The book of Revelation is a very symbolic book and what Catholics like to do is take aspects of it and. Then say that it's literal and they'll say they'll say they'll do this. Okay they'll say. Much incense was given him so that might be added to the prayers of the Saints I say see the prayers of the Saints that go to heaven and it's related to incense and therefore you can hear everybody.

And they just do stuff like this because they're looking to find anything they can to make it fit their heretical doctrines. You're terribly afraid of heights. Your name is sky. Interesting. So that's what they do and More often than not someone will say what does it mean in Revelation?

I'll say I'm not exactly sure. Okay, so there you go. So how many of you have a phobia? Tell me what your phobias are write them in. I Hate clowns. I don't like them and Heights that's about it. Oh and heresy, but I kind of enjoy heresy.

I don't know. Those are my I don't like clowns. Do not like them at all. Okay. Needles. Yeah, I don't like needles either, but I can handle it now. So needles public speaking. That's easy. Public speaking is so easy.

Miss me in clubhouse. Well, okay. I Miss me. Oh sky, okay rats. Don't like rats. Okay, I don't like rats rat a phobia. My wife has claustrophobia fear of enclosed places and I have okay sky. How are you on airplanes?

Because I'm afraid of heights, but I can be in an airplane and in a jet. Not rational. That's what it is. How about that that skywalk they have or something the skywalk? Over the Grand Canyon where you walk out over pretty glass thing.

Not happening. I was in Laodicea. When we're doing a tour five six seven years ago Laodicea and They had this exhibit where you could walk over glass a plexiglass Ceiling to a room underneath and I couldn't do it.

I can only get near it. Oh crap. Oh It gets in the way. And in Israel last time they had the court of the upper room. When it's just like where Jesus was I couldn't go up to the the narrow Precipice of a staircase just swayingly hanging on an edge with all kinds of people.

Cramming in it and you got to go in like a snake living snake around this edge. I'm like not doing that you'd have a stroke and we're doing part of the tour and The bus was leaving one area going to another area and I had to walk down an edge of a building with a narrow staircase with nothing underneath it and The only way I could do it is Eric Johnson who runs the tour.

He talked me through I held on to him and then I went down the stairs and I had to get as fast as I could. It really is terrifying. I Was a kid my brother friends duct tape me to a merry-go-round and kept on spinning it yeah, see my wife doesn't like putting closed places because her four brothers would put her under the bed and put a Bedspread over her and then sit on the corners and it's to offer from getting out.

So she's traumatized from that. It's interesting how things do this to you. So Joanne has a problem with rats now.

What came up her toilet?

Yeah, that could be. That could be disconcerting. Okay, depending on the situation I've already written a lot on or Eastern Orthodoxy. So yeah, I could do that. Not scared of gophers. You're not scared of snakes not scared of not squeamish.

But Heights, you know, I had problem it was the devil. All right, I think we'll do is just close this up and I'll delete this thing because it wasn't any good. You know that didn't nobody showed up. That's on Jay Dyer.

He's not bad as for what he does. He makes mistakes and he he doesn't know the problems he makes logically and I'm looking forward to having another interaction with him. I've learned a lot of stuff since I've talked to him lately and others.

So.

Thanks a lot. What you guys having fun in here having fun work something like that a wrench. I've heard you're gonna make some articles. I don't make articles, but I do write them having fun, too. Guys want me to tell you a joke?

I can tell you a nice joke and if you've heard the joke, you can't you can't give the The punchline now, that's the only problem. I. So if you've heard me tell you this joke before. You can't put any information in and ruin it.

All right. It's called the monastery joke. The guy at the monastery you guys heard that one. How many have heard me say that one? Love the Karma family a lot of good people there fellowships always a blessing as it is.

So You've not heard it. That's tempting you haven't. No, okay good probably okay, if you remember go. I have her don't type anything out. All right. All right. So here's here it is. You ready? It's one of my favorite jokes period but takes a long time.

It's not a short joke and you'll see why. There's a mechanic a car mechanic and he's moving from one job to another job from one city to another city. He's got his tools with him in his car he's driving along a dark and secluded night.

Dark and stormy night as a matter of fact and he takes a detour and he goes down this one road and it turned out To be a bad choice and all of a sudden his car dies. Well, he's a mechanic he can fix it, but it's dark and very very rainy and windy.

What's he gonna do? Well, he could sit there in a car and just huddle down all night, but he sees a light. Do the windshield wipers going back and forth he sees this little lights the window. So he goes.

I'm just gonna go there and see who it is. Maybe you know get in for the night there and he just gets out and within 10 feet. He's drenched. Okay, and he jogs on up to this light and it turns out. It's a big stone Building and has a name over it something like monastery.

Wow, there's this big honking set of doors wooden doors and a big, you know, clanker knocker on her he. After about a minute.

The.

Door.

And there's this hooded man Standing there looking at him from the darkness and there's the lights are kind of outside and you know, and he's. And the man puts his hood back goes. Uh, yeah. Are you okay?

What what? Wow, I didn't expect that and the mechanic says, you know, I'm I'm. My car it broke down back here and I'm traveling. I took a detour and I can fix it, but I'd have my tools, but I the guy goes Oh just come on in no problem.

And so a Bunch of monks are there at this monastery they're really cool guys and they They love having the company unexpected company and they show him around and they show him well, they give him a monk's robe to wear because he's drenched so they get him out of the The they get him out of the hey Anthony.

I'm telling a joke Anthony and they'll get you in here in a sec. And so then he says, uh, you know, he said oh I can fix the car. So they they they they dry his clothes. They give him a Monk's robe to wear and he is going through the place.

He loves everything. They feed him. Everything's great. He says in the morning, I'll get up and I'll work on my car and so right before he goes to bed. You know that they're showing him where they got it was going to go to small room.

Just a bed and a little desk and a window not much but it's nice and the head monk says to the mechanic says.

Um.

It was there anything you'd like before you retire and he the mechanic goes well. No, it's okay. No, no, really. It's okay. What do you what would you like? We're here to please don't get any guests goes.

Well, it's kind of embarrassed. It's over there my good. No, no, really and so they kind of argued about it. And finally the monk guys got him just to what do you want? He goes? Well, please we'd be glad to help.

And he looks and he kind of looks around if the mechanic does he says well. Okay, he says do you have any old cheese? Preferably with some mold on it and I need some barbed wire, but if you don't have barbed wire I'll take any kind of a shoelace and I need a ladder and assume cooking oil and.

The.

The monk goes Well, what are these things for? He said well, it's a family secret. I can't tell you it's really embarrassing and you insisted. So that's why I'm out, you know. Okay, so these monks they closed, you know, he closed the door he kind of hides in his room and amongst.

And they go and they get all this stuff. It takes a while, but they do they they come back knocking the door he opens it up just a little bit and they slip the stuff in there and and They said what you're gonna say.

The door closes ain't like okay. So in the morning, you know, they get up and he gets up. He's a little embarrassed, but he's working on his car all day. You know, he's got the tools with them he's getting the car ready and the storm had passed and Lo and behold.

He needs one more half hour or so to work on the car half hour an hour and the lights gone because they don't have. They don't have candles in the monastery. So he's got to spend the night again. So they show him where they fix Bibles where they make wine.

They show him this and they show him that in the whole bit. Everything and then there's time to go to bed. Is there anything we can get for you? And he looks at him and they said What is it? What do you need?

Just a lot of no, I mean, you know, it's okay. What do you need? Well. You have a right sandal that's fresh that'd be the right one and I need a compass a mirror in a Ladder, so they're all staring at this guy and he goes, but if you don't have a ladder, I'll take some Crisco cooking oil.

Okay, okay, what do you think's for you got to tell us and he goes. I can't it's just too embarrassing and and he closes The door and it will they insist it. So what he they do they what is this? They're just bumping into each other trying to figure out this stuff.

So they they go out to the monastery and they get all these things and they get it people like what did he get? What you would need it? We don't know. We don't know what it's for. Next day he gets up.

Next day, he gets up. He's working on his car. Their monks are watching them. And he finally gets the car started. It's gonna work. Okay, he's gonna drive out of there gonna get out of there. He's totally embarrassed, but they're cool guys.

They gave him a basket of fruit. They give him a nice Bible. A monk's robe. Could he like the monk's robe a bottle of wine? He's in the car and he puts it in gear. The monk head monk goes. No, no, no.

No, no, you look you can't go before you tell us what's going on. You have to tell us what these things are for. You've destroyed the monastery. We are now gossiping about what all these things are for and when brother Thomas over here.

He's been on a vow of silence for five years. We said what you needed he went what and you messed him up. There's guys over here. They can't sleep at night. Look so and so over there brother Joseph. He's got a bandage on his arm because he bumped into some studies.

He fell asleep. You destroyed us. We're gossiping now. We're thinking that we shouldn't think you gotta tell us what these things are for because you're killing us. So the monks he's looking at the monk the monkey baggy eyes all the guys around him, you know, they want to know.

What are these things for he goes? Well, the please tell us well. Okay. Okay. I'll tell you I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Okay, I'll tell you. But you got a promise. He's talking to this monk. He goes you got a promise me though.

You won't tell anybody else. Monks, I promise to this day. He's kept that promise. I wasn't even here for the whole joke.

And I'm thinking I'm I'm wasting time paying attention because I'm not gonna get it. I missed the setup everything else and.

That was pretty good. I.

Had been one time. I told the guy the joke and I love this job. And he looks at me goes. You do realize now I have to kill you for this. It's it's great. So I was at a at an amusement park and I was doing a youth retreat.

And it was his ride just a transport down from the top of the hill down to the bottom of the hill. It's all it was. The youth group is with me like four or five kids. And so this that he was like a ten minute little ride.

So I started telling this joke to these kids right and the entire car the transport car went quiet. They're totally listening to the jokes. I raised my voice. So everybody could hear it. This kids going to his dad.

What are they for? What's he thanks for? I don't know. Let's listen. So I got this whole thing. I timed it so that the punchline came in right when the doors opened, right? And what do you do it to give the time to this day?

He's kept that promise, you know, that's it. People are staring at me for five seconds. I go. Yeah, oh man, and they go walking out and I started thinking about this the next day. Because the people are waiting to get on this little transport.

This goes like this up the hill, you know. And people coming out. We're all moaning. Oh, man. Oh, jeez. I just wonder what they were thinking. Okay, Anthony, sorry, I was just gonna shut it down. I said you guys want to hear a joke joke in the meantime, and here you are.

So yeah.

I mean, whatever you are interested in doing. I don't want to. That's all right thing up. I just thought. Maybe maybe some lingering questions were around. Maybe there's some interesting festivities going on.

Other than that, I'm happy to fix myself some food.

So you did soteriology, right? No, I talked on the clarity of Scripture. Oh, that's right perspicuity. Yeah.

Sure, that's right. And it was my intention to pull no punches. So good good for you. I talked about a great number of things. One of the things that I talked about and I thought you know this this needs to be addressed It annoys me to no end is you've probably run across this Roman Catholics in order to prop up the Magisterium of Rome.

It's necessity and so forth. They of course attack the clarity of Scripture and they'll say it's even unclear on cardinal doctrines like the Trinity The personhood of the Spirit the way of salvation. I mean I read this over and over again.

It makes me Wanna go crazy every time I read it. Most recently I was looking at this book by Catholic Casey Chalk called the Obscurity of Scripture and he talks about how he was reading the works of Nt Wright and a bunch of other people and he was all confused about salvation.

So this led him to doubt the clarity of Scripture.

Well.

Anyways, I quoted a number of Roman Catholics Karl Keating Patrick Madrid a lot of these guys saying scriptures not clear on the Trinity.

And so.

One of the reasons I wanted to do this is because Number one, it's not true. Number two it undermines. It's not a slight matter. It undermines. The confidence or the basis that Christians can have for confidence in this is true and from God.

Number three it actually gives some oomph if you will to the cults. A lot of cultists will quote these things from Rome and say see it's a man-made doctrine Rome is admitting. It's not in the Bible and that it comes from their authority.

And of course that's irrelevant to us because we don't accept it on Rome's authority we don't think it's absent from the word or unclear in the word and. But but they also like to blame us for the proliferation of sex right that when they say there's all these Protestant denominations.

They're including JWs Mormons Christadelphians all these heretical groups that are just like them they deny the clarity of Scripture you need to listen to their prophet that you need to listen to their group and.

And they're following Rome and believing that the Trinity is not clearly in the Bible. So I'm thinking this needs to be exposed just for the sake of that and then I also thought you know It'd be good to challenge a Roman Catholic who believes this sort of thing, you know I'd be interested in debating a Roman Catholic on whether or not the Trinity is in the Bible.

Wouldn't that be an interesting debate. That would be. Or maybe you could defend how it's not clear. Well, if it's not clear, how do you know it's there?