March 24, 2017 Show with Greg Nichols on “The Doctrine of Man”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida. And the rest of humanity living on the planet earth who are listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this 24th day of March 2017 and I'm in studio with my co-host the Reverend buzz Taylor.

Hello, and it's great to have you in studio today. And we have returning to the program of someone who has proven to be an excellent guest on iron sharpens iron radio. We always love having him back and that's pastor Greg Nichols.

He is one of three pastors at Grace Emanuel Reformed Baptist Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He's the author of what does the Bible say about God the biblical doctrine of God truth for eternity and We have in print right now Lectures and systematic theology volume 1 today.

The 1689 London Baptist Confession and Reformed Baptist Identity

He's going to be addressing the second volume that is not Yet in print that is going to be focused on the doctrine of man. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron pastor Greg Nichols.

Well, thank you very much. It's my privilege to be here and for those of our listeners who did not hear you. The last time you were on the air, please tell our audience about Grace Emanuel Reformed Baptist Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan the grace Emanuel.

1689 London. Confession the church. Three decades. It's a three decades have three generations in the church and We we are a spirit that love each other and love the local. To Grand Rapids the United States.

And for those of our listeners who are unfamiliar with the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith or a second London Confession as it's also called. This is basically a Baptist version of the Westminster Confession of Faith is it not because the Baptists did have a first London Confession and Then they had the second London Confession where they wanted to show Their Presbyterian brothers that they had much harmony with them, but did have of course baptist distinctives.

Am I right? That is true.

1689 but it is a combination in many places of that original six in chap combined. First London says the first London Confession. Another thing to note is that the with John Owen and the Independence.

I said that one time John Owen and the Independence and the Savoy Declaration of 1658. And when I said John Owen and the Independence somebody thought I was talking about a rock band. It's a good name for one.

Anyway and a lot of place wherever the Savoy written by John Owen at all. In 62nd London Confession follows John Owen and the Savoy rather than Westminster. And one example one the clear London Confession following Savoy and expressing unity with them is chapter 20.

Which does not exist of the gospel in the extent thereof which does not exist in the Westminster and the Baptist father.

Yes, and for those of our non confessional Brethren who are looking at or listening to us and they're puzzled because they are thinking to themselves. What are these just traditions of men that they've heaped upon themselves.

Well, it's really just a summary of what we believe the Bible teaches. Am I right?

Yes, it's a summary as these as they say of the right and.

As I've said before on this program and of others has have said every Christian is confessional whether they call themselves that or not because even the statement I have no creed but the Bible is a confessional statement and Today we are talking about an important Subject to the doctrine of man because the doctrine of man when it is wrongly understood leads to all kinds of heresies and when the secular society around us Continues to spread their false understanding of man it leads to all kinds of despot despicable and wicked and Unspeakably evil activities.

Even the infanticide of millions of unborn children, I think That occurs globally every year. This has a lot to do with a false understanding of man but if you could I guess a good place to start with a Discussion on the the doctrine of man would be on man's origins and why this is even an important issue.

Creation, Providence, Sin, and Common Grace

The perspective the outline or development of the doctrine of said last time. We in the doctrine of God We deal with the existence of God. Okay, that's the first thing. Does God exist a second and then who and what is God the nature of God?

So that's the doc and he decided in eternity. Everything that would have a second volumatic theology is God's great work of commonly called the doctrine of man. So I refer to it as the doctrine of the original called the doctrine of now in the doctrine of man court topics or parts of the and then the Devastation the doctrine of human sin and then finally ruined the doctrine of common grace.

So in the doctors man with regard to shin body and soul his sacred identity the image of God and his Procreative form male and a bird marriage government and in the day you eat and finally the moral status of man the state of innocence.

And I addressed a man under the super the human body and who clearly teaches this. A Long thinking about creation and about the origin of man is behind the Holocaust a horrible monstrous Holocaust of abortion on demand.

A man, that's it's amazing how how lackadaisical and flip it and Unconcerned and Disinterested the planet has become over this Holocaust that's occurring right in our own neighborhoods. And it is mind-boggling when you think about the numbers of of these precious Human lives that are are snuffed out and very gruesome and barbaric ways.

Now, why don't you tell us something about why it is important to believe the creation account of man as it is recorded in the scriptures. Because There are those Christians among us who are old earth Creationists and I wouldn't say that they were they are all in the category of believing in theistic evolution.

But there are those that have adopted Very close to Darwinian understanding of man having come from another life form or life forms Rather than having been molded from clay By the hand of God himself and then of course Eve being molded from the rib of Adam, but if you could Why explain why this is important?

Everything else Rests upon the creation true in what it says. Knowledge about what man is why man is think they want to do or define man any way you like. You can define humanity any way you like. You could define male and female any way you like.

You could define marriage any way. You like or undefined marriage any way you like. You could do whatever you want when you destroy creation. You destroy morality you destroy human dignity human life the purpose of human life.

We shouldn't be surprised that. The false doctrine the heresy had influence in our society. Went on decades. We shouldn't be sizing up in our society. We shouldn't be with respect to human value with respect to marriage and sexuality.

Morality all kinds of issues creation. And if you could Explain what you mean by? Psychosomatic Constitution of man. Oh, yes. Okay psycho has to do with the soul put together from a trainer body and soul it comes from PSY see we get psychology from it.

It's pronounced Sukay. But it has to do and then that's we get psycho from that and somatic comes from the Greek word soma which means body so Psychosomatic is soul body is what it means. So it's referring to the fact that human one material but Intimately combined again in the resurrection separated temporarily by death in the intermediate.

Reverend Reverend Buzz Taylor has a yes. I was I was writing along with your list here and.

Kind of second-guessing you so I could write neatly ahead of you and I took a wrong turn because you surprised me. You said creation. You said Providence then man then sin and I started to write the word salvation and you said common grace.

Yes, that's the doctrine of the doctrine of the original creation is creation. Providence man sin common grace. Cool point is salvation from sin and that's.

That's five different volumes or five. Okay, so yeah, I see what you're saying then that that's a whole separate thing all together then.

Yeah, this is all that's right. That's only the second focal point the original creation. The third focal point of my systematics is salvation. From into salvation. Application of salvation. And the seminaries want three credit courses.

It takes five courses, right?

Yeah, well since that is a separate issue altogether then what did you mean when you said common grace?

I'm referring to what professor Mary calls fine favor that he shows to Animals and humans alike to Saints and sinners like in this life until death falling short of salvation.

Yep, the fact that the the rain falls on the just and the unjust the reason I wanted to do here.

You say that is because I know that it's a term that we're not familiar with very much. We don't hear it very much and yet it's it's very important.

Yes, and there's even some disagreement over it amongst reformed Christians. There are some who think that grace should only be attached to.

Selvific grace. Yes. I do address that in the lecture on common grace I Word car is translated grace in the New Testament is only used in reference to saving grace and on that point It's acknowledged where they got it, right?

On the other hand in the Old Testament came found favor found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Translation the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament that grace is what I'm talking about by common grace.

All God's grace is covenant grace even common grace. It's common grace in Noah. And what I'm referring to is the favor that God shows to Noah and all of his physical descendants. Which by the way, we all are yes.

So we're also because we're all descended or you all enter into that favor that came that chorus that grace That he shows to Noah now, it's called common grace. You could just as well. Call it a way of grace Hmm as opposed to grace at saving from sin in Christ.

So I think it's perfectly legitimate to refer this as chapter 6 it the scripture calls it grace.

And of course, that's in your list your itemized list. That's the final thing that we were supposed to be talking about today. So we've kind of jumped way ahead here. As far as the body and soul distinction that we were discussing is the soul that which is The genuine person as it is often referred to.

In fact even unbelievers often Think of the soul at least those who believe in some kind of an afterlife. They will say that you know when the person dies, it's just the body is just The shell of the person.

It's not who the person really is. So even if that person dies in a horrific accident if whether they are burned alive whether there was an explosion or Or any kind of a thing that happens to this person that that is not the thing that affects the soul.

The thing that affects the soul is whether that soul is covered with the blood of Christ shed for Him or her on Calvary's cross, but would you say that the soul is the actual the the the.

Essence of the person of the human. Exactly how I would word that. Okay, but let's start. Let's start with this in Genesis chapter 3 verse 19. God says to Adam dust. Hmm. Oh, he is his body. It is true.

Dead bodies don't communicate. Dead bodies Deteriorate. The part that continues the part that is indesirable the part that non-material. That part that continues to subsist as a personal being after death is conscious in the.

In the lecture on body and soul I. And then the biblical terminology for the body that. The definition of the soul the definition of the body wishing. Characteristics of the body that exists between body and soul in this life early.

That unity. But it must be underscored. There will be a resurrection both of the just and of the unjust. Body and soul. Him that's able to kill the body and after that has no more that he can do. But him who is able to cast both body and soul into hell.

Yes, that would of course be for the damned and and the those that the Lord.

Chooses to save will have a glorified body that that's the point. The point is that there will be a Resurrection both of the just and of the unjust. The point is that there's a distinction between body and soul.

Human beings can kill your body they can't destroy your soul but God is the wicked both body and soul in the lake of fire which he and also the bodies and Reunited with their souls and they will be with Christ forever in new heavens and earth in glory.

Human nature will be reunited body and soul either in the lake of fire or where the other. So the severance of body and soul is only temporary and there's a mystery. Attention. And with the soul the part of me after I die that's dissolving in a grave and Painted with that experience.

Yes, I think with these fives man. That's correct in the intermediate state. There's a sense of incompletion. There's a sense of that our ultimate hope is not to go to heaven as a disembodied spirit our ultimate hope.

Second coming of Christ that body and soul we will be conformed to his glorious body and soul and we will. There's a longing and finished yet until the body is resurrected and glorified. So yeah, I'd be careful.

Hi, what you said is right a dead body doesn't think it's and rots and yet somehow He says dust you are and unto dust and I'm gonna have I'm gonna ask a question of a listener.

Before our first break and then I'll give you time to mull it over during the break. So when we come back, you can actually answer the question. But Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island says I know this is not the focus of your discussion.

But I was wondering if your guest has any thoughts on whether it is Right or wrong or is he indifferent to the issue of cremation? Must a Christian have their loved ones buried or entombed. Or is creation a Valid option for the Christian.

And you can answer that when we return from our break. And If anybody else would like to join us on the air with a question. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Welcome back, this is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours With 90 minutes to go is Pastor Greg Reynolds Of Grace Emanuel Reformed Baptist Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

We are discussing today the doctrine of man. If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com. Chrisarnzen at gmail .com. And before the break, Pastor Greg. Our listener in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

Ronald asked if it is acceptable for a Christian to have a loved one cremated. And I'm assuming he also means to request that be done to you as well. After you should pass on. Yes, Chris.

Did I call you doctor? No, you called me Greg Reynolds. Oh!

I'm sorry. Oh boy, I am so sorry. Greg Nichols. Oh man, your name is staring me in the face. I don't know how I said Reynolds. And for those of our listeners who don't have any clue Why I keep saying Greg Reynolds is because he is another person I've had as a guest On a number of occasions who happens to be an Orthodox Presbyterian, not a Reformed Baptist.

But my apologies to you.

No apology needed, I just couldn't help it. It hit my funny bone and I couldn't help it. I told you, I would try to keep my New York sense.

By the way, I don't know what happens occasionally. But sometimes you cut out on your phone, I don't know why.

I don't know why either, I'm sorry about that.

Well anyway, as we said before the break I asked you a question from our listener, Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island. Who wanted to know about cremation.

I am not aware of it. It says that cremation of that body. No matter how we made it, God will. One way, the Bible forbid it. You can't bind your conscience.

Yeah, and there are Christians out there.

But I personally couldn't bind people's consciences one way or the other.

Right, there are Christians out there Who are well-read and learned men That would agree with us on a whole host of things. Who do believe that the most, I guess, respectful and honorable way To deal with the body of a person who is deceased Is to bury them.

But I have not yet gone into an in-depth study on it. I know that a guest of mine that I've interviewed before on different issues Has written some kind of a book or booklet on it. But I assume that there is a time when out of necessity.

Especially in impoverished areas. If you have an inability to bury a large amount of people That may have died in a catastrophe or something That burning may be the best way of preventing the spread of disease.

Especially, as I said, in some impoverished nation. Or even in centuries, bygone centuries Where it might not have been as convenient or accessible To bury people, especially in large numbers. Okay. That's just a thought that popped into my head.

Thank you, Ronald. And we also have Joe in Slovenia Who says, Dear Brother Chris, please ask. And he called you doctor. But I'll say, please ask Pastor Nichols To interact with the concept that as man We are all tempted at the point of our appetites Things that we desire to satisfy our bodily desires.

Is it correct to say that all sin is an abuse of things To satisfy our appetites in an unholy manner? It seems to me that this is a fundamental understanding From the standpoint that both Adam and Jesus Faced this basic temptation with opposite results Genesis chapter 2, verses 15 through 17 And Matthew chapter 4.

Thank you for the highest quality of programming. That's Joe in Slovenia.

Well, I think that what he says. About his human body. I'm thinking. Right. With bodily appetites. I'm thinking of a text, but angels still sin. Yeah, very good. With regard to human sin. Says, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves of flesh.

Not just bodily appetites. It might be. Yeah, it would seem to me that Romans chapter 3, verses 10 through 18 Would be in complete harmony With what Joe in Slovenia was saying. As far as. There is no one righteous Not even one.

There is none who understands No one who seeks God. All have turned away They have together become worthless. There is no one who does good Not even one. Their throats are open graves Their tongues practice deceit Their poison are The poison of vipers is on their lips.

Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness Their feet are swift to shed blood. Ruin and misery mark their ways In the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes. It would seem that The reason why.

Unlike our Arminian Unlike our Arminian brothers Who think that man in his natural state Prior to regeneration Can please God By willingly choosing to follow him and repent. It seems that this is nowhere to be found In the Bible In regard to their.

Even having such a desire.

Before they're born again. It's impossible for those in the flesh. So then those that are in the flesh. Please God, Roman If you're in the state of. And then he says If you don't have this.

You don't belong to Christ. Please God. By God. And people. Yeah, one of the reasons Not to belabor this issue. Or take us off course. But I think one of the reasons Why that whole issue is important In the debate between Theologically reformed Christians And Arminians.

Is that the Arminian Apparently over and over again Seems to misunderstand what we believe. And they think. Or at least they perpetuate A slanderous notion about us That we are teaching that Men would otherwise want To be saved and follow Jesus.

But God is preventing them From making that choice. If left to themselves They would have a shot at it And may want to From their own desire Come to Christ. But according to this False caricature That Arminians construct About Calvinism They make it sound as if We are teaching That if God had not Gotten his hands involved In the situation That men might be coming To Christ and being saved.

If you understand what I'm saying.

I do understand what you're saying It is true that that is a If that's what people think That is a real There's no Save me And God looks in the book and says Nope, can't save you You're not elect You're not written That is There's no such thing As a person that wants to be saved.

Amen.

And well thank you Joe in Slovenia. Keep listening and spreading the word To your fellow Slovenians And beyond. About Iron Trump and Zion Radio. We have B .B. in Cumberland County Pennsylvania who asks.

I have often heard of Body, soul, and spirit Being mentioned in the same sentence As if they are three different things. Does Pastor Greg believe That soul and spirit are different. Or are they synonyms?

Okay, let me Learn about trichotomy. Can I just finish that other one? Oh yeah, sure. Please. Jesus said regarding people You do not That you might have life Amen. And also And on circumcised after nine He has mercy on whom he will And whom he will.

But that's not a Calvinist that said that. That's Paul that said that. Right. Whom he will he hardens. Now when I've tried to explain that to people What does God have to do. What does he have to do to them To harden them in their sin?

My answer is Nothing. Right. That's right. And By removing Restraining influence Of grace Of common grace if you want to call it Or any other Once he removes it He just lets them be themselves. Right.

And If God were not restraining sin In various ways We would see what total depravity Really Reproduces. Leave out common grace. And we've got a very. We've got a world that Humanistic thinking doesn't realize How much sin God restrains Even among the unconverted.

Yeah we wouldn't even be able to. Not only leave our homes and be safe. We wouldn't be safe in our own homes If there was not any kind of Common restraint amongst mankind That God is performing graciously for us.

That's true. So all God has to do to harden somebody Is nothing.

Yeah I had a I can still remember years ago Having a Friendly debate. Actually it got pretty intense at times. It wasn't always friendly. But with a Free will independent fundamentalist Baptist pastor friend of mine.

And he Made much of the fact That Pharaoh. Yeah sure it says that God Hardened Pharaoh's heart. But it also says Pharaoh hardened his own heart. I said yeah but where does it ever say That Pharaoh softened his own heart.

That's the key issue there That you were just saying That is the thing that takes a miracle of God Is the softening of a heart And the transforming of a heart. Okay. Amen. And I can also recall Having a discussion with a Brother an Armenian brother Where I We were having a little conflict About the doctrines of grace.

And I said well what do you think of this. And I opened up the Bible. And I read Romans 9. And he said you know who He said to me you know who believes that. The biggest cult On the face of the earth.

The Muslims. And I said excuse me Do you know that I just read Word for word The apostle Paul in Romans 9. And he said yeah but it's what you read into it. And I said I didn't read into it. I didn't exegete it or explain it.

I just read it. So he had nothing to say after that. He got it. But It is hard.

For at the same time Explain that I can't explain that But I'm not about to give up The free well meant offer of Christ Or the absolute sovereignty of God In hardening some sinners And regenerating other sinners.

I'm not going to give up either of those things But I do simply I'm logically putting it together. Right. And The trichotomy question. If I Yes that's right. Yes that if someone wants to read An excellent article on trichotomy They get out Volume 2.

And read the article on trichotomy It gives in there Four reasons Why the scripture clearly teaches That trichotomy is not true. But let me say In common parlance We speak Like this all the time. I might say to you Chris How are you doing spiritually.

How are you doing emotionally. If I ask you how are you. Yes and And.

Why. I may not I may sometimes think That there is little distinction If you said How are you doing spiritually. Or mentally. Yeah okay.

I could say well How are you doing spiritually How are you doing mentally. How are you doing emotionally How are you doing physically. I mean If I ask you how are you doing physically You could talk to me About whether you're having problems With various aches Maybe you've had this Or some other thing.

Or oh you know We're through a wedding And da da da Or you know We lost somebody We're sorrowful Etc. If I ask you How are you doing spiritually You're probably gonna You know Talk to me About devotional life About keeping a good conscience About praying And secret.

So I could ask you How are you doing spiritually How are you doing emotionally And how are you doing physically. That doesn't mean I'm a trichotomist. Right. That doesn't mean That I believe That the emotion And the spirit Are two different parts.

So yes It's true That in one sense Sukhe and Numa Or Numa Are We get pneumatic From the From the The uh The Greek word Pneuma The Greek word Psyche Or Sukhe. So yeah In one sense They're synonymous In the non-material part of man In its entirety That entity Which survives After death Independently Exists And subsists And goes to heaven To be with Christ.

Sometimes it's called The spirit And sometimes it's called The soul. Right. Yeah. Now that doesn't mean That they're exactly Synonymous Any precisely Synonymous Besides the same Exact thing. Um If I asked you How you're doing Emotionally Or how you're doing Spiritually You would understand There's a distinction Mind Drive the non-material Part of man.

It doesn't mean When the Bible Talks about the mind The spirit The soul The heart And the body That man has five parts And that his heart Is separate from his soul And his soul Is separate from his spirit The spirit Is separate from his mind.

Because the scripture shows That these are different Terms To describe That entity Which is the non-material Part of man In its entirety But featuring different Aspects Or capacities Or relations Or faculties Of that entity That non-material Part of man.

And sometimes The word mind Is used Sacrifice And be renewed In your mind It's contrasted With body And body And mind Are the whole Person, body and soul Cleanse ourselves From all defilement Of flesh That refers to the Material part of man And spirit That refers to the Non-material part of man.

So there Flesh and spirit Refer to the whole Psychosomatic Human being Body and soul Body And mind Body and soul. Sometimes it's Heart And flesh To the material Part of man. Mind Spirit Refer to the Non-material part of man.

But it doesn't mean That man has five Parts of man That are separate Primarily called the body And the non-material Entity Emphasize and feature Different things. And in the lecture On that I get into Some of the By heart And some of the things Featured by mind.

And in one sense It's a non-material Entity. And we have to go to A break right now.

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