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The Created Order and the Save Women's Sports Act

Alright guys, welcome back to another episode of Next Week with Jeff Durbin. I'm Jeff Durbin and that is Luke Pearson right there.

What up?

Hey, we're both recovering from the flu and stuff right now.

Yeah, this is like the sick edition.

This is the sick edition.

They're very good.

Sick!

It's totally sick. Trying our best to...

There's going to be a lot of wheeze laughing.

Push through.

Yeah.

Push through this.

It's not coronavirus.

Maybe.

Yet.

So, I mean, it felt like maybe. It was a little different. This one had a different flavor to it. It was a little different than normal flu.

Like...

Like Dos Equis?

I don't know.

More like Corona.

Yeah, more like a Corona flavor. It was, you know, it was more like a cheap, flabby, you know, sort of headache kind of in the morning. You know?

It was...

It's funny because we were coming back from the airport all like, man, that trip from Wuhan was rough.

Yeah.

And then two days later...

Well, I'll say...

I'm done.

I'm glad you brought that up because it just shows how thoughtless I am. And so we're coming back from Oklahoma. Very important trip.

Very important trip.

And I made it my mission, as much as possible, when we were around large crowds of people walking together, to have conversations with Pastor Luke about how long that plane ride was back from Wuhan. Am I saying that right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Potato, potato.

They knew what I was saying. Because it was funny. As I was saying, I was like, man, that is a long flight back from Wuhan. I'm tired. People would just like look back at me. It was so much fun. It was so much fun.

Yeah.

And I would say things as we were walking in the crowds. I'd say Wuhan and it was a long flight back. And oh, I'm so tired. I would say things like, man, are you warm? Is everyone warm? It's so much fun to love your neighbor in that way, just to let them enjoy.

So we're making fun of it.

Yeah.

And then we come back and you get...

I immediately regretted that.

Yeah. Yeah.

I had it before.

The week before that.

And then I kind of recovered. I'm still feeling it. And then you got it last Friday. And I was like, oh, man, please don't let it be the same one. But as it turns out, in Oklahoma, there was a bunch of people in Oklahoma...

Everybody had it there.

...that said, like, I have it or I'm on the tail end of it. They were like, oh, great. You just shook my hand 10 times.

After they like kissed us on the mouth and stuff.

They're like, I love you so much. Your ministry means so much to me. And they're just like putting fingers in the mouth, you know. That didn't really happen. Well, it did twice, but it was not, you know, it wasn't weird.

It wasn't weird.

All right.

So this is what you're going to get today on the Sick Edition is the Punchy Pastors. You have a card there. What do you want to talk about?

Well, since we just talked about God's created order with our dude N .D., N .D. Wilson, I saw... I didn't even know this, but apparently in Arizona, they have put forth the Save Women's Sports Act in Arizona.

The Republicans here in Arizona. Save Women's Sports. It's a bill. And so the point is they're going to assign high school students to sports leagues according to their biological sex.

Nice.

I was like, oh, that's great. And not by the gender with which they identify. So I was like, oh, that's really good. I'm glad to know we're doing something good here in Arizona. But then I saw that old Sacagawea Warren said that this is a cruel bill and that trans athletes are not a threat.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Did you see the... I don't watch South Park, but the clip from South Park.

With her.

Oh, yeah.

With Macho Man Randy Savage.

Macho Man Randy Savage, like trying to like get into like women's competition.

Yeah.

And I thought that was probably the most devastating and brilliant response to transgenderism in sports. And it came from South Park.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, you could preach on that for days. And the thing that had a massive like, hey, dummy. Like with South Park, Randy Savage. But what was the name of the character, though? Isaac, do you know the name of the character?

Heather.

Was it Heather?

Heather.

Heather. Are you alright?

Someone's got to look that up right now. Like what was the name of the character?

Because they were like, oh, they like interviewed some girl. They're like, are you excited about, you know, this new whatever? And she's like, oh, I don't care, you know, what they are, whatever. And then there's Macho Man Randy Savage.

I think he was literally like ripping limbs off.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like beating them up, punching them. Because this is a creation. There's a created order. And there's a creative design to everything. And so, you know, men are biologically built differently. And that used to be something that was just sort of a given and understood.

And not something people would, you know, be upset about necessarily. I mean, it's a good thing to have a man with broad shoulders that can carry things and build things that's different than a woman.

And also in the sense of like protection of a family and all those things. It's actually a positive. It should be seen as a positive element.

That's cruel.

But it's just so great. But it's amazing, though, to think. Well, I mean, I don't know. I guess maybe if you would have said 30 years ago, hey, there's going to be a dude.

Yeah.

And there's going to be like full contact mixed martial arts in 30 years. Because, I mean, before UFC, I was invited to fight in UFC 2, I think it was. So it was like a whole new thing. You're going to let people fight, like really fight and shin kick and like elbow and knee, like competitively?

That was like a whole crazy thing. And so if you would have said back then, like in the early 90s, before like 95 or whatever was the first year.

Like Kurt Angle?

Yeah.

There's going to be like legit full contact fighting, MMA. That would be, wow, seriously? Like elbows and knees? That's going to be deadly because it is deadly.

Yeah.

Like you can legitimately kill someone. And like even when you're choking somebody out, we talked about this recently. When you're choking somebody out, like the reason they rush in as soon as you tap is because the distance between passing out and dying can be very small.

Seconds.

Seconds.

Now you're going to get off immediately because you could die. You could cut off blood flow to the brain. So at any rate, first level, to say that you'd have MMA with elbows and knees and like really choking somebody out would have been like what?

Wow, that's deadly. Wow, that's going to be crazy. But then to suggest, and then guess what else? There's going to be dudes that think they're chicks that are going to fight in the women's division. People will be like, they'll kill them.

Yeah.

They're going to annihilate them. So then that's what happened with that one dude that tucked and fought the chick. He destroyed, he broke bones.

Oh, yeah.

He broke bones in her face. And everyone's, yeah.

Yeah.

Of course, like what? Imagine this. Because it still exists today. If you're driving down the road here in ASU and you see a dude fighting a girl, like if you see two dudes fighting, you're going to be like, oh, no, something's really wrong and maybe he'll try to break it up.

But if you saw a dude beating down a girl, still the reaction is going to be like, what are you thinking? Are you out of your mind? You're a man. You can't do that to him. But all of a sudden now you sanction it and you put it into a ring and you're like, well, he says he's a chick.

All of a sudden people are like, well, you know, I guess. It's a guy beating down a girl in a ring and everyone's like applauding and going, I feel like this is wrong.

It's like watching Breaking Bad. You find yourself rooting for the bad guy.

The bad guy. It's like at the end of the series, hey, you weren't supposed to be doing that. And you're not supposed to be rooting for a guy that tucks and beats down a girl.

Tuck.

And when I say tuck, I mean tuck as genitals. Yeah, I know. And I'm laughing because in that South Park episode, Macho Man did not tuck and they put a lot of detail into that part of the cartoon. It was very obvious.

I think, well, here's the thing. Like in speaking about the created order and Nate's really going to love this, by the way. Like he's going to be like, well, that's on the tail end of my interview. I think that there's a degree of yielding and cowardice that we've sort of succumbed to today.

Where we're afraid to say the hard things and the obvious things because we've been so influenced by this weird evangelicalism. That's like, don't ever say the harsh thing. It's love like Jesus. It's like, great.

Read Matthew 23 and all love like Jesus. How about that kind of love where he calls people a brood of vipers and whitewashed tombs and all that stuff. But like in scripture, when it's a life and death situation and it's a community destroying situation, it's a justice situation, it's a fatherlessness situation.

It's guns blazing. I mean, it's guns blazing to the degree that like in Isaiah 1, when there's injustice that's rampant, God says, I don't want your worship. Don't even want it. It's making God sick that they're coming to him with this worship while this injustice is all around them.

And so there's that. God's like, don't even give it to me. I don't want it. And then there's the instances in scripture where God has to explain to Israel so that her eyes are opened. Let me show you how far you've gone.

You're a whore. You're a whore. You're the prostitute. And that would be already offensive. What's up? What's up, hoe? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like in the modern vernacular, someone saying like, what's the punch you deliver today that's like the harsh word?

It's like the vernacular is you're a hoe. And that's like, you dirty. You can't say that about me. So then there's like whore. And those are all very, like very strong ways to describe something it ought not to be.

Well, in the scriptures, God calls Israel a whore. And then you go, like, that's enough. And then God goes, but no, actually you're different than other prostitutes because they get paid for what they do.

But you just sit and spread your legs to whoever will come. And you get nothing. That's some serious, serious modern vernacular trash talk.

Right?

And it's harsh. But God reserves the harsh language for the life and death situation stuff, the community destroying stuff, the injustice stuff. And I feel like we've been silenced by the left and those who are seeking to pervert society and morals and everything else to the degree that we don't say the obvious.

Like we don't say the obvious, like the transgender man has to hide his testicles.

Right?

Like you're only pretending. And I know you're uncomfortable right now because the design aspect, the feature here doesn't allow for you to do that. Like what do you have to do? You have to build contraptions and use tape and whatever the case may be to pretend in the way that you are.

And I know you're uncomfortable and it's not supposed to be that way. Or like I'm talking about the case of the transgender fighter going against the creative order, a man fighting a woman in that kind of context in a brutal exhibition.

Like you're wearing tights. Like you know what I'm saying? Like the MMA fights, like they're wearing, you know, very tight stuff because you don't want the guy to be able to pull on anything. Like they used to be in like judo and jiu-jitsu.

It is that way too in jiu-jitsu. You wear your gi. And it's a whole different style. So there's like no gi and there's gi jiu-jitsu, right? Because there's a difference. Like gi is you can use the person's gi against them.

You can choke them with their gi. You can grab their gi. So in the MMA, like it's no gi so it's slick, wet, and it's also nothing to pull on. So you've got these really tight spandex things. And it's like how do you think that dude fought in the women's division?

He had to hide it because it's a design feature. Unless, of course, he did the other thing, which is, you know, he went under the knife.

And I don't know.

I guess my point is in terms of like when we approach unbelieving worldviews, I think we should be more direct when it's a life-and-death situation and a society-destroying situation. Like we should.

I'll just say it. I think the South Park clip in really defying what they're trying to do was an amazing smackdown because it just highlighted here's this huge, disgusting man with huge, bolding muscles and a beard beating on a woman.

And it's like that just needs to be highlighted. I think we should be speaking the obvious. I think we're too afraid to do it.

Yeah, I agree.

I agree.

It's crazy.

Go ahead.

I was just going to say I think I know where Arizona's trying to do this bill. I think they're doing this bill because I saw there was a group of female athletes that's suing somebody for allowing dudes to run in races and stuff.

Right, I saw that too.

Which I thought was great. I was like, thank you. I'm glad somebody's standing up. But the liberals are just kind of losing their minds. They don't really know how to handle this because they're all about women's rights and protecting women.

But then you have actual women saying, no, I don't want this. This isn't helpful for us.

Right.

And so they've kind of just backed themselves in this moral dilemma, moral corner where they don't know what to do. And so they're like a caged animal.

So it's also interesting too because look at the fallacious claim. It's that we love women so much. We want to empower them. We love women so much. And you Christians, you don't love women. Conservatives, whatever that might mean today, you don't really love women.

We love women. We want to give women this. We want to empower women. But you ask the question, who really loves women? Because it's the Christians who were in quote unquote conservatives, which essentially would hold to a creator creation distinction.

God is a creator to order, who are saying, no, that's immoral to let a man beat down a woman. Man should not be able to lay his hands on a woman. And he certainly shouldn't be able to be elbowing a woman to breaking her skull.

And so who's loving women more? Is it really empowering to women to let a man tuck and fight a woman just because he says he feels like a chick? He's destroying her. And in the same sense, like to lie about biology.

I mean, anybody who looks at human biology and looks at the male DNA, male biology versus the female is going to say this is different than that. This has more strength. This is going to be something that's physically able to do more.

And that's just the created order. It's a creator creation distinction that you shouldn't be angry about. It's just the way things are. God made it that way. And so when you look at it that way, everyone should be able to tell and say that it's obvious.

So who's loving women more? Is it the Christians or is it the leftists, the liberals? Because I don't want to see a woman get her face kicked in by a man. Period. Also, if you would have said, it's amazing, if you would have said in the 80s that a man is going to dress like a woman and then beat a woman to a pulp, I think generally the consensus would have been in the 80s.

That's disgusting. Now it's like it's praised as you deserve a trophy for that because you're amazing. And this goes back to even like the film and the purpose of N .D. Wilson's work in film and Wilson's work with these, which I think is so amazing, is that what they're really testifying to in a beautiful way is the creator creation distinction.

We fairly recently had on a gentleman who talked about one-ism versus two-ism. And there's essentially two worldviews. There's a one-ist worldview and a two-ist worldview. And I love it. It seems pithy but simple.

And that's really what's wrong, too, with the transgenderism. Same issue. And it's really what N .D., well, the Wilsons are doing, Gordon and Nate are doing with the film is they're highlighting the creator creation distinction saying there's meaning and purpose and design here.

There's order here. There's a clear eye to this is supposed to be this way and it was meant to be that way. Whereas that's what the Christians are saying about the world. But what the transgender argument essentially does, it comes from a one-ist mindset.

And that is all is one. And we're all part of this one universe. And I can be anything that I want.

Right.

I could redefine anything because it's all one. Everything is one. And so the whole transgenderism issue, the homosexuality issue to whatever degree or whatever classification is essentially that one-ist mindset.

All is one. And I could determine for myself what I am, how I want to live, what I want to look like, what gender I am. And isn't it amazing? I think it's just crazy. I was watching fairly recently somebody talking about where they're at and how they classify themselves.

It was about 60 seconds of the biggest mess I could possibly imagine. It was like this person wasn't saying they're a male or female or switching sexes. They were just basically saying it's undefined and it could fluctuate day by day.

And I thought, well, that's the one-ist mindset. It's all is one. I could be anything that I want to be and redefine because there is no creator that imposes upon this creation a meaningful order of distinctions.

And that's why I think it's interesting that the films, The Ride and the Dance 1 and 2 are very, very important because it's coming against the popular zeitgeist or spirit of the age of there is no purpose.

Right.

There is no meaning. There's no order. There's no beauty. There's no truth. There's no goodness. It's whatever you want. And nothing is properly defined. And everything's up for grabs. And films like this are not only done well, they're beautiful, but they highlight that creator-creation distinction that will, when preached enough and shown enough through the power of the Holy Spirit and the gospel, really obliterate the one-ist mindset ultimately because it can't survive.

Because like we always say, what I always say, like it's the Christians who are having the children.

Exactly.

It's the Christians who are adopting the children largely. It's the Christians who are promoting the children. But it's the unbelievers in their worldview where they can't. Oh, this is amazing. I know I'm doing a lot of talking here, but feel free to jump in.

Have you gotten the ad? I talked to a couple of guys that did. Have you guys gotten the ad in your phone? And it's been coming up a lot lately. I don't know why I got it. I'm like, what am I talking about?

Or where am I going? Facebook's like, you need to see this. And it's basically an ad for an organization that helps gay men, gay couples, to get children. And to get children through adoption or surrogacy.

Have you guys gotten those?

No.

Anybody in here?

Just you.

Just me?

Okay.

I wonder if anyone else has gotten those.

That's weird.

The wrong thing to do is to see that and to click on it because now you're going to keep getting it. Because now there's, you know, we use the same technology when we do ads.

It's the same guys from Vegas. Yeah.

That's right.

Yeah, that's right.

So, but anyway, so getting to the point of it is they can't survive in their worldview. And it's amazing because you're seeing it even in the ads. Like, our worldview is lovely. Our worldview is so amazing.

Our worldview is the way it's supposed to be. Our sexuality is good. It's the way that we can be. And then you start getting ads 20, 30 years later of gay couples going, you can come to our organization and we'll help to find you a surrogate so you can actually jump back into the created order to make a human being so that you can have a child to go on to the next generation.

So that's the point is that there's a design aspect to all this order because there's a distinction that you can talk in the seventies and eighties and all you want about, you know, we know about like in Dr. Brown's book where Queer Thing Happened in America, there was a real push amongst the LGBT community, the gay community to basically get into Hollywood and to start basically getting into scripts to say you need to have a gay character, but the gay character needs to be the hero.

The gay character needs to be the loved one. The gay character needs to be the oppressed one. Now you start putting that in enough TV shows, enough commercials, enough films, all of a sudden now you're the hero, right?

But here's the thing, seventies and eighties, early on even then, like look at Teen Wolf. I'll just say go watch Teen Wolf and go watch the scene where Styles is with Michael J. Fox and Michael J. Fox is going to tell him that he's got this problem where he turns.

Into a wolf.

And just look at that scene from the eighties. That's like the late eighties, mid eighties or so, where even then he was like, dude, don't tell me you're gay. I can't handle that right now. Like it was even then in a popular mainstream film was like that was the cultural, like that's okay to say.

Like I can't handle that right now. That was mid eighties. But enough time goes by and now it's popular. But guess what? In the year 2020, you got to start putting ads out to go, hey, you're not going to make it to the next generation.

How about you adopt some kids or how about we help you with surrogacy because your worldview doesn't work. And, uh, and I think that's, that's, that's, that's something that we need to keep highlighting and pointing to.

And I, and I, and I'm back to Endy's film and Gordon's film. I think the beauty of films like this and things like this that are done well is that they have the ability to go mainstream, to highlight the goodness of the created order that know there's meaning in these creatures in the sea and they're beautiful.

And glorious and crazy. Some things are just crazy. And I don't know why you guys want to eat those things. Like I personally think stuff, I will eat fish and chips in Ireland. Uh, but otherwise I think what's in the ocean is really gross to eat.

A lot of it is really gross.

The Beauty of Creation in The Riot and the Dance: Water

Pastor Zach loves to eat the gross stuff.

Yeah.

The grosser it is, the better.

He said, Zach said to me once, I was like, well, what, is there anything you wouldn't.

Eat?

He's like, no. He said, honestly, he said, if somebody like took their hand and scraped it across the bottom of the ocean floor in the darkest place no one's ever been, I would love to eat that. I was like, you are a disgusting man.

And that's the result of the fall. Because Jesus would never talk like that.

There's a reason God forbid the Israelites from being selfish.

I think even Jesus would be like, ew.

Ew.

Oh my goodness. But, uh, um, I, so I don't, I wonder if we can even talk about this now in here, but Nate was telling me when we, we went out to eat, I think we were eating with him. Were you there when he talked about this story?

It was at his parents' house.

That's right. When he was talking about the sharks?

Yeah.

I can't wait.

Oh yeah.

The sharks, uh, they, the guy told him like, no, you just have to face the sharks.

Yeah.

You have to keep moving around.

Turn your back on them.

And make eye contact with the sharks. Because if you make eye contact with the sharks, they have this natural instinct to get away from you. And I think Nate was talking about the issue of like dominion and the image of God and how these, these creatures that could easily destroy you in the water.

Like as long as you're making eye contact with them, they would divert and get away from you. They're just like this, this sense of their own fear, like that they'd go away.

Okay.

So one was behind him at one point. He just barely turned around.

And he had to kick it.

And yeah, he had to kick it.

Yeah.

Because sharks apparently know the difference between them and the image of God.

Yeah.

I guess.

Yeah.

You flash your foot. What's a foot?

You see these toes? That's the image of God, baby. You don't got 10. Where's your 10?

Hey, apparently it works.

Yeah.

Are we done?

I think, I think so.

Do you have anything else you want to talk about?

Not, no.

Okay.

So yeah, this is the sick edition of Next Week with Jeff Durbin. The Riot and the Dance, water. Do we have a website? We're going to flash the website right now. This is a great thing.

I think it's just the riotandthedance .com.

Doing things in post is go to this right here. The website's right here. Go to the website, get the film. Tell everybody about the film because the film I think is, it's about, the whole thing is it's important for us to recognize as Christians as you're producing media and living in this world with art and all the stuff that's going on around that's being pumped into our phones and our television sets is that we have to have an impact in this area as Christians with a Christian worldview.

So it's not just about going to, to go to the Christian film, which I, by the way, I don't care. Like oftentimes when we talked about this, when there's a really bad Christian film with a bad script, bad cinematography, bad acting, bad directing, people are like, hey, come to our premiere.

We're like, no, no, not at all. That was funny. Kenneth Gentry was talking about Dr. Bonson. Dr. Bonson is one of our heroes. We would say he's a mentor. He's taught us even though he's with the Lord.

Dr. Bonson loved secular music. You know that. He hated contemporary Christian music. And I think somebody had said to him once when Amy Grant was getting bigger, someone like that, like, you should really listen to this.

Like Amy Grant, he was like, no. He said, he said, he said, I, I like, he said, I like my, my paganism straight up.

Yeah.

Or something like that. But he was joking. But I think even Dr. Bonson would point out even then, like these Christian artists are not very good.

No.

And just because you talk about Jesus and your song, if you're not a good singer, and I'm not a good singer, so I would never try. Or if you're not good, a good musician, like just because you're saying Jesus doesn't mean like I have to come listen and say, hey, that was wonderful.

Like, great. We should be doing a good job. And, and I hate most Christian films just because it's bad storyline. It's fake. It feels fraudulent. Right. And we need to be doing better. And I think what, what the Wilsons are doing and what Right in the Dance is doing.

It's phenomenal.

It's phenomenal. It's beautiful. It's important. And so it's really well done. So it's not about just seeing the film. It's also about promoting the Christian worldview and the creator-creation distinction in the world, in the context of a world that hates God, that really needs Jesus.

So let's do that together. Let's share the film and watch the film. Let's make them a boatload of money.

Yes.

So that they can make part three, part four, and then just a ton more films.

Right.

Yeah.

It's good. I want to make the, I want to make Endy and Gordon rich.

Yeah.

So they can keep making amazing stuff.

Yeah.

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