The Importance Of Heeding God's Counsel - [1 Samuel]

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May 2, 2010

00:00: Our Father, we do come before your throne this morning thanking you for the week that you have taken care of us in this past week.
00:08: You have been faithful to us, you have been merciful to us, Lord, you provided all of our needs, and maybe not all of our wants, but all of our needs were taken care of, and you were faithful to remain constant, to remain steadfast, and to be our present help in time of need.
00:26: Lord, we thank you for that week, and this is a new week, beginning this day and this morning, and we're thankful that we have the health and we have the desire that you've given to us to be in the house of the
00:38: Lord, to be able to worship, and may our hearts be lifted up today. Help us, Lord, to worship in spirit and in truth, help us as we fellowship one with another to encourage each other, and Lord, that we may learn from your word so that we would be more perfected, more matured, more equipped to do the work of the ministry, so that when we go out and leave this place we may be great and faithful ambassadors of Christ, and that we may be able to live in our homes, be able to live on our jobs or at school, wherever we find ourselves, be able to make right choices and to think properly when it comes to making decisions.
01:21: And Lord, help us even to learn of that this morning, and help us to be a people who are of the book, a people who love
01:28: God, a people who desire to obey God, and we ask this in Jesus' name, amen. Well, I'm a little bit delayed this morning because I got in my car.
01:39: I had allowed someone to borrow my car yesterday, last night, and I got in my car and got onto the highway, and that little light was on in the dashboard that is shaped like a gas tank.
01:54: So I had to get off on the first exit and get some gas, and this isn't even Sunday school. But this is something that I've just kind of heard and I share with you, that if you borrow something, if it's someone's car or truck or tool or rake or spoon or whatever it is, just return it in better shape than when you got it.
02:19: I just think that's a really good principle to hold to. I've borrowed people's vehicles that have been, well, you know,
02:28: I let my car go sometimes. I've gotten in them and they haven't been in the greatest shape, and I took the old armor all to it and put a few extra dollars' worth of gas in the tank and returned it to the person, not saying anything.
02:43: And I just think that's a good thing to do. If you do that as unto the Lord, it's so much easier.
02:50: As unto the Lord, you do that, return something in better shape than when you got it.
02:56: It's a good thing. Okay, we're going to glean, I trust this morning, from 1 Samuel chapter 8.
03:03: So if you have your Bibles, we could turn to 1 Samuel chapter 8. We are not going to be able to go into depth with this chapter, but I think it's, you know, it's always good for us to use all the
03:17: Scripture as given by God. It's all God -breathed. It's all God -inspired.
03:23: And it is profitable, as Paul wrote Timothy, for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped so that we can be furnished, we can have our spiritual house furnished properly, so that we can serve the
03:43: Master as we should, and that we can be ready when we go out into the world, when we stay at home, when we go to school, when we're on our job, when we're in our neighborhood, when we're out in the world and we're living as those who name the name of Christ, we can be a people who are distinct.
04:03: And we have, we're unique, aren't we? I mean, God has called us to be His very own.
04:09: He's put His name upon us. He saved us by His wonderful grace. We're Christians. Christian, if you're an
04:16: American, that means you're of America or from America. If you're a Christian, you're of Christ. You're of God.
04:22: You're born of God. And we are to live differently. And we're going to see in this chapter, in the
04:27: Old Testament, that we can glean from, that there was a decision that the nation
04:33: Israel made, the stance that they took, an attitude that they had that was detrimental to them, to them and to their children and to their children's children.
04:44: As you know, in the Old Testament, we have the book of Genesis, which is the beginnings. Then we have
04:50: Exodus, where God gets His people out of Egypt. Then we have Leviticus, where God gets
04:55: Egypt out of His people. Then we have Numbers, the wilderness wanderings and some of that history there.
05:02: And then, this is Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, the second giving of the law to that generation who survived the wilderness wanderings and the first generation died off.
05:13: The law was given a second time to them before they entered into the promised land, Joshua. And then after Joshua, Joshua judges.
05:22: We have the time of the judges. And that's where we're ending up with here this morning, with Samuel. He is a man who is faithfully judged.
05:30: God raised him up to use him to help the nation. Joshua judges
05:35: Ruth and then Samuel. That's where we are in 1 Samuel. I want to read chapter 8.
05:41: It's a fairly short chapter so that you get the flow of what it is in the context of what we're going to be talking about this morning.
05:48: Joshua, I mean 1 Samuel, chapter 8, verse 1. When Samuel became old, he made his sons judges over Israel.
05:57: The name of his firstborn son was Joel and the name of his second, Abijah. They were judges in Beersheba.
06:03: Yet his sons did not walk in his ways but turned aside after gain. They took bribes and perverted justice.
06:10: Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah and said to him,
06:16: Behold, you are old and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint for us a king to judge us like all the nations.
06:24: But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, Give us a king to judge us.
06:30: Samuel prayed to the Lord and the Lord said to Samuel, Obey the voice of the people in all that they say to you.
06:37: For they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them. According to all the deeds that they have done, from the day
06:46: I brought them up out of Egypt even to this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are also doing to you.
06:54: Now then obey their voice, only you shall solemnly warn them and show them the ways of the king who shall reign over them.
07:03: And Samuel does just that, he warns them. So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking for a king from him.
07:10: He said, These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you. He will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen and to run before his chariots.
07:20: And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and commanders of 50 and some to plow his ground and to reap his harvest and to make implements of war and the equipment of his chariots.
07:32: He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his servants.
07:41: He will take the 10th of your grain and of your vineyards and give it to his officers and to his servants.
07:47: He will take your male servants and your female servants and the best of your young men and your donkeys and put them to his work.
07:54: He will take the 10th of your flocks and you shall be his slaves. And in this day you will cry out because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the
08:04: Lord will not answer you in that day. And then to finish up the chapter, the request is granted by the
08:10: Lord, but the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel and they said no. That's pretty strong.
08:18: They said no. But there shall be a king over us that we may be like all the nations and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.
08:29: And when Samuel had heard all the words of the people, he repeated them in the ears of the Lord and the Lord said to Samuel, obey the voice, make them a king.
08:37: Samuel then said to the men of Israel, go every man to his city. So it, and it came to pass,
08:43: Saul became their king. And I don't know if you think about it, when you think of Saul, do you go like this?
08:50: No we don't, don't we? It's disheartening and it's sad when we look at that occasion.
08:56: This is not, this is not part of this message, but if the people only had waited just a little bit longer in God's timing,
09:03: God would have put his king in place. But the people wanted it so, they refused and they rejected
09:09: Saul, I mean Samuel and Saul became king and it was a very dark time in the nation and a blemish.
09:19: But let's look at some principles here. First on your sheets, did everybody get one?
09:24: If you don't, there's one on the chair over to the right. On our sheets, I just wanted to glean from this chapter some practical insights because bottom line, it comes down, it comes down to authority over you.
09:35: It comes down to, it comes down to having counsel and if God puts counsel in your life, if God gives and grants wisdom, if God, if God puts a roadblock up in front of you and me, should we heed it?
09:50: Is it, is it important for us to, to, to be stopped and just to think for a moment and to ponder what
09:57: God is saying to us, of course, through his word? We don't have, we don't have a Samuel here speaking for God and talking to God and bringing, but we do have the word of God that comes to us and God over and over again grants us wisdom.
10:11: He gives us principles, he gives us instruction and not only from his word, but people who preach or teach the word of God.
10:18: It could be a godly brother and sister who come up beside you and something is going on in your life and they're wanting to give you some counsel.
10:25: They're wanting to help you. They're wanting to give you some advice and let me give you some advice about taking advice.
10:31: Even if you don't agree with what the person is saying, even if you know that they're totally off base and that's not
10:37: Samuel, if they're, if they're out in left field when they're talking to you, they have noticed at least something about your life and you can glean a little bit of some type of truth, some type of insight about, about what they're trying to say to, to you.
10:53: Take it graciously unless they're totally, I mean, you know that they're not walking with the Lord, but if they're genuinely coming to you and trying to help you, take what they have to say and say, what, what is it that the
11:05: Lord would have me get out of this? Because I know I'm not perfect, right? Anybody want to raise your hand if you're perfect here this morning?
11:11: We're not, right? We, we need, we need to grow. We need to learn. We need to, we need to heed good counsel.
11:17: And one of the things that came against the people here, if you notice in this account, you know, they're, they're frustrated that Israel is frustrated that they're looking at Samuel and saying he's old and he's going to die.
11:31: His sons aren't walking like, like he is. And they say in verse five, make us a king to judge like all the nations.
11:39: And the first point that I have there, when I think of that, it said, who, whoever said that God's Israel, God's people, and we can equate that today to God's church or the
11:52: Christian community, whoever said that we were to be like the world. That's not the way to go.
12:00: And that's why point one is do not be conformed to this world.
12:06: I mean, what are the dangers in being conformed to the world? Somebody, anybody got any input here?
12:12: What are the dangers of being conformed to the world? When it comes to, let's say, just the church, a godly, pure church that's desiring to preach the gospel, to live the gospel, to make disciples, to mature believers, and to, to multiply our ministries.
12:30: What is it, what's wrong with being conformed to the world or being like the world? Well, they hate
12:37: God. It takes your eyes off of Jesus. Yes, because, because we're kind of getting wrapped up in what,
12:44: I mean, if we're like them, are they following Jesus? Are they following the Lord? No, they're not.
12:50: Bruce? Yeah, put your focus on feelings diminishes the word.
12:58: And I was kind of thinking along there, it really tarnishes the testimony of the church. I mean,
13:03: I said earlier, we're supposed to be distinct, right, unique. We're, we're the holy priesthood, 1
13:09: Peter chapter 2, a royal generation. We have the name of God upon us. We're the people of God.
13:15: And as the people of God, we ought not to, to desire to be like the world. Because if we're like the world or conforming to the world, then what is it, when they look at us, are they going to see any difference?
13:26: No. And they're going to say, well, if you live that way, I live that way. What, why do
13:31: I need this Jesus? Why do I need your gospel? Why do I need your church at all? I mean, if it's not going to be life changing.
13:38: That was one of the, that was one of the things when I was a young boy, and I was sinful. I, I, I admit that.
13:44: I, I was not, I was rebellious. I had all, my whole, my whole list of the handwriting of ordinances that was against me,
13:52: Colossians 2, has been nailed to the cross. It was long, it was long enough. But one of the things that bugged me about when
13:58: I went to the Roman Catholic Church was, is that it wasn't life changing. There wasn't anything different about it.
14:05: I didn't see, I didn't see anything really remarkable going on in the life, in the lives of people around me.
14:11: And it was in my family. I mean, people, people still said when they got together on the weekends, they still did all their drinking.
14:17: They still, they still did all the things as far as the jokes that they told. There was divorce that was rampant in my family.
14:24: And I was a young person thinking, big question mark, what is all this about? It's, it's, I mean, and if we're like that, if we as the people of God, and we name
14:34: Christ and we, and we want, we desire to have an impact upon the, the world in which we live.
14:41: We're going to have to come out from among them and be separate. We're going to have to be different. We're going to have to, when they look at us and when they come into our church service,
14:48: I think Paul wrote to the Corinthians, I think it's in 1 Corinthians 14. And he says, when a lost person comes in and sits down during your worship service, when they see all that's going on, they should say,
15:01: God is with you of a truth. There's something different. There's something, but if they come in and we're playing the same music and, you know,
15:09: I'm just talking about a worship service and we're acting the same way that they would at some, at some entertainment place outside of the church.
15:17: What's the difference? We don't make an impact. We don't have a testimony. We don't have an effect upon them.
15:22: And we are not ever so, I mean, just think about the position that we're supposed to take against the world.
15:28: I've already kind of given it to you in this number one, but Romans 12 to says do not be what conformed, right?
15:36: Don't be conformed. Don't be pressed into the mold of this world, but be transformed instead, not conformed, but transformed by the renewing of your mind.
15:46: And that comes, of course, by the work of the Holy Spirit as we, as we imbibe the word of God and God's word just totally changes us and we see sins being dealt with and we see our attitude changing and we see that, that we are new creatures in Christ and we want to speak differently and act differently, not to be conformed to this world.
16:04: In Ephesians 5 .11, if you're taking notes, it says there don't have fellowship with the world or don't have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.
16:15: Don't, don't be conformed to the world. Don't have fellowship with the world. And what does it tell us in 1
16:20: John chapter 2? Do not what? The world. Love the world. Don't love the world.
16:26: If you love the world, what is your relationship to God? Hmm? A what?
16:31: An enemy. I think James puts it that way. He says if you're a lover of the world, you're an enemy of God.
16:36: So we need to take the position that we are not going to be conformed to this world.
16:42: Now, I kind of cut it short, but are there any other dangers that you can think of?
16:47: Any other, any other things that we ought to be considerate of when we think of not being conformed to the world?
16:53: Yes, ma 'am. Kind of getting ahead of my notes here, but I'm just kidding you.
17:02: Yeah, that's, that's going to come later. But what Pamela was saying is we're going to want to use the techniques of the world.
17:08: I mean, how many Christian books are in the Christian bookstores that are basically saying run the church like a business?
17:15: But the church is not a business. The church is not secular, it's holy. The church is as unto the
17:21: Lord. This is, this is the, these are the things of God. This is the word of God and the people of God, and it's not to be according to the latest marketing techniques or the different studies or polls or surveys, but it's by the book, right?
17:38: It's the Bible. That's how we ought to conduct church. That's how we ought to do the Christian life. That's how we ought to do marriage and do the church according to what's written here in the word.
17:47: You'll notice in verse 6, when the people said we want a king like all the other nations, this thing displeased or upset
17:56: Samuel when they said give us a king. And I believe that it upset him because he knew that Israel was owned by God.
18:09: They were the people of God. God was their king. He was the one, they were, they were in a theocracy.
18:17: It was God over them. It was, that's, that was their government. God, God was first.
18:22: Who fought their battles for them? God did. Who went out before them? God did. Who provided for them?
18:28: God did. And he knew that. And he heard from God and God spoke to him and then he would say those things to the people and God led, protected, took care of the people of God and the people were rejecting that.
18:41: And when, I believe that it's always sinful and dangerous when we move, when, it's a sinful and dangerous move when
18:50: God's people desire to imitate the world, to run the church like a business like I said, to bring worldly entertainment into, into the church.
19:02: Also to use the marketing techniques. Do you know that there are, there are some church leaders that do surveys in their community and they'll ask the community that they live in, what do you want, what do you want or what don't you want in the church?
19:18: Well, we want, we don't want anybody saying anything to put people, making people uncomfortable in the message.
19:26: We don't want the mention of repentance and sin and judgment. We want messages that are 20 minutes long.
19:32: We want to really, really psych, really just gung -ho band, you know, up front and sing for an hour.
19:40: And you know what they do? They turn around and they do just that. And I believe that that is, that is what the world does.
19:48: It finds out what you, what people want, finds out through surveys and things like that and provides those things for people to meet their felt needs but not their real need of Christ and of the gospel.
20:02: And isn't it wonderful if we think of who we are. We're nothing, of course, without the Lord. God made us who we are.
20:09: We've been saved by his grace. We're the people of God. And as the
20:14: Apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15, he said he was what he was by the grace of God. And you are too, and I am too.
20:20: And BBC is what this church is by the grace of God. And we need to do what we do in our lives here, in our personal lives, in our home lives, in the church life.
20:34: We need to make sure that we're people of the book and we want to do it like God says in the book but not like the world.
20:41: That's the first point. The second point I have here is take care when making life choices.
20:48: Take care when making life's choices. And I referenced verse 19.
20:54: Some of this, I threw this together on Friday afternoon, so I apologize if it gets a little choppy.
21:00: But when they said in verse 19, the people refused to obey in some versions, but it says the people said no.
21:11: I mean, who is it that they're saying no to? I mean, really.
21:17: I mean, they're saying no to Samuel. But you'll notice when
21:23: God comes, and I'm just going to, I think I'm going to deal with this second point, and I've already cut so much into the time.
21:29: I can go a little bit quicker here through some of the other points, and then we'll go back if I've forgotten anything. But you'll see that after the people asked for a king and Samuel is displeased, he prays to the
21:41: Lord, and God says to Samuel in verse 7, hearken unto the voice of the people and all that they say to you.
21:47: Listen to the people, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
21:58: So that kind of leads to the third point. Listen to and trust those whom God gives to lead you. Samuel's talking to the people, and he's instructing them, and he has all along.
22:08: He's been a faithful judge. I mean, do you remember in just the previous chapter that great account of the
22:16: Philistines coming after Israel? And they go to Samuel, and Samuel prays, and God gives them victory over the
22:24: Philistines. And you remember, we sing a song, Here I raise mine Ebenezer. That's in chapter 7, just the previous chapter.
22:32: And God gives them great victory through the leadership of Samuel. Just the chapter before, and they raise, and Samuel says in the victory that God gives, and God worked a wonder for them, they raise an
22:45: Ebenezer or a stone of remembrance, a stone of memorial to remember. Hitherto has the
22:50: Lord helped us. The Lord has brought us this far. The Lord has brought us this far. And Samuel is faithfully doing this all of his life.
22:59: And now they come to the place where they see other nations have kings, and other nations have kings who are arrayed in their gold and their costly array, and on their horses, and they lead their people into battle, and we want the same thing.
23:18: We don't want God to reign over us anymore. We don't want God to be our king. They're forgetting all of this, and really what they're doing is they're forsaking their mercy.
23:30: They're discounting who it is that had already brought them to the place where they were at this point, the people of God taken care of and protected by the
23:39: Lord, and really we need to be careful, and we need to listen and trust those whom God leads you.
23:44: Now God does put authority over every single person in this church who names the name of Christ, authority.
23:53: There is the authority of God himself. If you're married, there's authority in that relationship where the husband loves his wife, and the wife submits to her husband.
24:08: When it comes to a local church, as it says in Hebrews 13, verse 17, those in the church are to obey those that have the rule over them.
24:19: Obey church leadership. Submit to the leadership of the church. When it comes to a working relationship,
24:25: God puts bosses in your life and your employer, and you're to obey those whom you work for.
24:34: When it comes to in the family, in the home, there are the parents and there are the children.
24:41: In Ephesians 6, verses 1 through 4, it says, children, obey your parents and the
24:47: Lord. This is right. So there's authority, and it's important to obey that authority because that authority is established by God.
25:01: God gave it. God put it there in your life. And I want to ask a question.
25:08: Is it correct then to say, is it correct to say that when you say no to any one of these authorities, church leader, husband, parent, or boss, when you say no to that authority figure, is it correct to say that you are saying no to God?
25:31: What do you think? Yes, unless they ask you to sin.
25:36: Yes. Okay, that's a good principle to help us how we deal with authority when the authority goes over the line.
25:46: What do you think? Any other thoughts on that? When we say no to authority, are we saying no to God? Yes.
26:34: Right. Right. And what's important there, too, of course, there's a whole other lesson there of parents and fathers making sure that you deal with your children.
26:43: And there's something that we don't know all the story there, what went on with Samuel. But he was a faithful man.
26:50: It doesn't lead us to believe that he didn't take the time to spend with his children and his sons just went off the deep end.
26:57: But the truth remains that Samuel is still alive. God hadn't done away with him.
27:02: He's still the judge. He's still the leader. He's still there. He's still alive. He's still breathing.
27:08: And while he's alive, he's the leader that God has appointed them, and they're rejecting him. I understand the point as far as being careful.
27:17: Most of the time, though, we don't have too many authority figures.
27:22: For the majority of us, we don't have too many authority figures that God has put in our lives that are asking us or compelling us to sin all the time.
27:31: Steve? Right.
27:50: And that's really, this is in the face of God. This is, you know, this is, look,
27:56: God has done it all along from the beginning of their history that they've known. God has been over them.
28:01: God has been their king. God has been their protector and provider. God has been the sovereign over the nation.
28:07: And they're saying enough is enough. Charlie? Yeah, there's a few things going on there, isn't there?
28:37: It's like rejecting God. It's not trusting what God could do in the lives of those young men.
28:43: And it's really getting ahead of themselves as far as what, it's really wanting to call the shots themselves and not waiting on the
28:51: Lord. Yeah, pretty, that's a good point.
29:14: Sure. So it's important to heed good counsel.
29:20: Let me read just a few verses. If you're taking notes, you can just listen to these verses out of the book of Proverbs.
29:30: You can hold your place in 1 Samuel. In Proverbs, I'm going to begin in chapter 11.
29:45: This just has to do with counsel that God gives and puts in front of you, or God puts over you, authority that God puts over you, and the wisdom and words that come to you that should have an impact upon you and I when we make decisions.
29:59: Proverbs 11 .14, whoever goes about slandering reveals, whoops, sorry, that was 13.
30:07: Verse 14, 11 .14, where there is no guidance, a people falls, but in an abundance of counselors, there is safety.
30:16: It's just important for us to make sure that we surround ourselves and we make ourselves available to people who have good and godly counsel.
30:29: Now, don't go looking for counsel for somebody who is going to give you the answer that you're looking for. I mean, they're going to lower them.
30:35: You know that their bar is a little bit lower, and I know that I can get what I'm looking for. Don't children do that sometimes?
30:42: When they don't get it from mom, they'll go to dad. When they don't get it from dad, they'll go to mom until they can kind of cause the confusion and get what they're looking for.
30:50: In our lives as believers, sometimes the same thing will happen to us. We'll go to one brother or sister, we'll go to the pastor and get an answer, and we don't quite like that, so we're going to find somebody else who can justify our position.
31:02: Maybe the bar is a little bit lower, and they'll excuse us and justify, and we can go on. No, go to godly, mature believer, a man or a woman when you're looking for counsel because there's safety there.
31:15: How about chapter 12 and verse 15? 12, 15. The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.
31:28: Have you ever been talking to someone and trying to give them advice, and you know that it's just going right over them?
31:38: They're not hearing you. One of the most important things when it comes to gaining understanding is to listen, to listen to the preaching, to listen to the counsel that's been given to you.
31:52: If you're seeking advice from somebody, open your ear, open your heart to it, and don't be like the fool who just rejects it and goes on his way.
32:03: How about chapter 13, verse 10? 13, 10. By insolence comes nothing but strife, but with those who take advice is wisdom.
32:15: We become wise when we'll take the advice of other people, and we can apply the truths of the word of God in our lives and walk in a way of wisdom.
32:26: How about 15? Chapter 15, verse 22. 15, 22.
32:32: Without counsel plans fail, but with many advisors they succeed.
32:40: 19, 27. Here's another one. There's two more.
32:47: 19, 27. Cease to hear instruction, my son, and you will stray from the words of knowledge.
32:55: So important for us. Don't ever come to the place where you say, I have arrived, because as soon as you come to the place where you say,
33:03: I know it all, I've got it, then here it tells us you will stray from the words of knowledge.
33:11: And then lastly, in 20, chapter 20, the beginning of verse 18, plans are established by counsel.
33:21: So it's important. I think I put a question down the bottom, and in case we don't get to all of these,
33:26: I think I put, I have some question about counsel. Yeah, number five, true or false? Think about this.
33:32: True or false? A believer doesn't need to heed godly counsel, parents, church leadership, or a spouse, because we are all equal in God's eyes.
33:44: Pastor Steve shared with me one of his quizzes from the IBS class that he was teaching, one of his questions.
33:50: Man, I wish I was taking that class. I think I'm going to pass that quiz. You'll have to ask him what it was.
33:56: It was kind of cute. But what do you think about this? True or false? A believer doesn't need to heed godly counsel from anybody, because we're all equal in God's eyes.
34:06: I'm hearing more falses. That's true. That second part of the statement is true.
34:14: But just because we're equal in God's eyes, does that mean we don't need to heed counsel, Steve? Hey, that's a good point.
34:31: Yeah. Yeah, something's wrong there, right? I can remember when
34:37: Deb and I were in the late 70s and our 20s and just yearning for somebody older in the church to be able to talk to and just to get advice from.
34:50: We didn't have any aged folks in the church. What happened was is there was a group of younger people, mostly younger.
34:57: The ones that were older in that church, they weren't walking with the Lord. The ones with the gray, hoary heads, they weren't.
35:04: We could not go to them. We could not count on them for wisdom. So we're of this generation. We're all in our 20s and 30s, and God saved us, and we're all looking to each other and we say, how do we do this thing called the
35:15: Christian life? Or how do we do church? We were praying that God would give us aged men and women to be able to instruct us.
35:24: And you know what happened? That didn't come to pass, and we learned the tough way.
35:31: It took us years sometimes to learn a principle, years to learn something that, you know what happened, like with Deb and I and others, we became older.
35:44: And we were able to take younger people, counseling maybe in marriage counseling or discipleship or just to help through a question, and within minutes we could convey the things that God taught us in years.
35:59: And that is a great and excellent point, Pastor Steve. We're not all at the same place, and that's okay.
36:04: And don't feel bad if you don't know more than so -and -so, because God has you where He has you.
36:11: As long as you're applying yourself to the Word of God, you're desiring to learn and you're desiring to mature and to go on,
36:18: God will continue to teach you. If you keep being faithful to the means of grace that God gives as far as reading and praying and hearing the
36:26: Word of God, discipleship classes, the IBSs, avail yourselves to those things so that you can grow and become, as Peter wrote, that we could grow in the grace and knowledge of the
36:39: Lord. Yes, Pastor Steve, we're tag -team teaching here this morning. This is good. Right.
37:02: Yeah, sometimes when you're driving in the car, you can't see that pothole, but somebody in the helicopter who's going over can see all that stuff and report it on the radio and watch out for this, that, or the other.
37:14: They have a different perspective on it because they know information that you don't know and can share it with you and help you.
37:20: Charlie, good principle as far as where we should be in the body, thinking that way and having a role of submission.
37:33: Submission is something that definitely works in the body. Other thoughts on this? Worth and role.
37:47: Yes, or, I mean, how else is it put?
37:53: It's like the subject came up earlier as far as we're being equal in Christ. Yes, that's our position, but just because we have that position doesn't mean that we have all the same role and responsibility.
38:06: Husbands and wives equal in Christ, joint heirs, Peter said, 1 Peter 3, 7, of the joint heirs of the grace of life, but yet God has distinctive roles and responsibilities, and the husband is the protector, the husband is the cherisher.
38:21: He's the lover of his wife, and she submits to him, and that doesn't make her inferior. It doesn't make the child inferior if they submit.
38:28: It doesn't make the church member inferior if they submit to the pastor, and certainly it doesn't make the church inferior if we submit to our
38:35: God and master and king. Somebody else? Yes, Pamela? It cultivates humility when you say that you need help, and it just puts you in a place where you're not going around with your nose up in the air saying,
38:57: I do know it all. I mean, what happens to that type of person? They're certainly going to fall. They're going to certainly cause some issues in their lives and the lives of others, and it's going to affect.
39:07: I mean, when there was a man in the Old Testament, I mean, did he think it through?
39:13: Here's a question, number four down the bottom. Is it wise to think before we act? Is it wise to think before we act?
39:22: Certainly it is. I mean, there's a guy in the Old Testament, and God has said to the nation when they went into the
39:29: Promised Land, do not take of the spoils when they go into, I think it was Jericho, right?
39:35: Jericho? And don't take it. Leave it there. It's devoted to the Lord. Don't take any of it.
39:40: So you've got one guy, and if you ever look, there's a verse. I don't know exactly where it is, but it says he looked on the clothing, the
39:47: Babylonian garments, and he looked on the silver, and then he began to desire it, and then he went after it and grabbed it, and he took it home.
39:57: And Israel is plagued when they go against Ai. God brings the families, the tribes, the families out, and it comes right down to a man named
40:06: Achan. And he did not think before he acted.
40:14: And I can tell already, we're not going to get through all of this, and you can do the study on your own, but, you know, there are consequences for our decisions.
40:22: The consequences for these people in Israel for wanting a king, Samuel, God tells
40:29: Samuel to warn them, to solemnly warn them. In the Hebrew there, that means repeatedly. It has this idea of over and over again, the actual definition from a word that implies to duplicate or repeat.
40:41: It means to testify against repeatedly, to give a warning or witness against the person over and over and over again.
40:47: And Solomon was warning them, don't do this, don't do this. It's going to cost you something. There's going to be a payday someday.
40:54: This is not going to be good. And yet they did it. And he warns them.
41:00: He says, what's the king going to do? He's going to take your sons. He's going to take your food.
41:06: He's going to take your daughters. He's going to take your land. He's going to take your money. He's going to take your servants, and he's going to take you.
41:14: Just on the side here. This almost sounds like text time, doesn't it? But we don't have it quite so bad.
41:22: But there's consequences when you make wrong decisions. And the consequences that Achan paid, it doesn't just affect him.
41:32: He and his wife and his children and his animals and all that he had were set aside, stoned and burned to death, all of them.
41:41: Israel, the nation, was impacted by this horrible decision to reject
41:46: God and to ask for another king to be like the nations, to be conformed to the world.
41:54: And they paid the price when you look at their history. Let me see here.
42:02: Number two, question down the bottom. This is true and false. Obeying God's word is optional.
42:10: Obeying God's word is, I mean, silly question, right? But it's good for us to be reminded because so many times that we forget.
42:18: I don't know how many folks, and it's really good because we're kind of talking about just practical wisdom and getting good counsel.
42:23: They did not heed Samuel. I mean, Samuel, again, was a man who faithfully judged them.
42:32: He grew old serving them. He had judged them faithfully.
42:38: He was God's person who taught them God's word. He was used by God to deliver them time and time again, as we heard in chapter 7.
42:47: He was worthy of double honor, but instead they were ready to toss him aside.
42:53: And in tossing him aside and rejecting him, they rejected the Lord, and they would pay the price, and they would pay it dearly.
43:01: And when it comes to that question, obeying God's word is optional, of course it's not. Of course it's not.
43:09: God has given us his word. That's how he communicates to us. That's what we are to use for life and for practice personally, individually in our families and in the church.
43:22: Well, you know, we're almost out of time, and I want to look at the last one, number 8. Is it possible, well, it is possible, number 8 at the top.
43:30: It is possible to experience victory and remain obedient and maintain a proper attitude even when others around you may reject
43:38: God and will not obey his word. It's possible. It is because we see it in the life of Samuel.
43:45: Here we are. He's a guy who, decade after decade, he's serving God, serving the people. He's taking care of them.
43:52: He's standing in the gap. He's praying. He's dealing with all these different issues.
43:57: And now they come to the place where they reject Samuel. God says, they haven't rejected you.
44:03: They've rejected me. And Samuel could have had himself a great pity party.
44:09: He could have just said, enough is enough. I'm checking out of this Israel bit. I'm not dealing with these people anymore.
44:16: I don't care. They've rejected me. I'm rejecting them. Now isn't that the way of the flesh? I mean, that's the way we would respond.
44:23: We would respond with like, like attitude. But the godly man and the godly believer, when anybody or everybody around them will not obey, it will not serve, will not take on ministry, will walk away from church or ministry, it's possible for that person, and I'm saying that what we ought to do is we ought to be a people who maintain integrity, who maintain godliness, who maintain a walk of holiness and connectivity to the
45:02: Lord, staying close to the Lord in those difficult times. And we see this in the life of Samuel, and it's evident in chapter 12.
45:10: If you want to just turn there as we close this morning. First Samuel in chapter 12.
45:19: One of the points that I didn't cover is number seven up the top. You'll see that in verse 22. For the
45:24: Lord will not forsake his people for his great name's sake, because it is pleased the Lord to make you his people.
45:30: And even though they rejected the Lord, and we saw that over and over again, the reason why they wandered in the wilderness,
45:37: God was a covenant -keeping God and promised to keep these people as his people, and he did, and he would have mercy upon them.
45:45: But look at the man of God. Look at Samuel. Look at how he responds. I mean, could he have gotten mad?
45:50: Could he have gotten upset? Could he have just said, No more ministry. I'm done. I'm just going to go off and read my memoirs and get
45:58: Job's commentary and just start reading all that good stuff. And I'm just checking out.
46:04: But no, look what it says. In verse 23, first Samuel 12 .23. Moreover, as for me,
46:12: God forbid that I should sin against the Lord in ceasing to pray for you.
46:17: But I will teach you the good and the right way. Only fear the Lord and serve him in truth with all your heart, for consider how great things he has done for you.
46:28: Samuel shows that he loves the people, is devoted to them, and he doesn't give in, doesn't cave in, maintains his integrity, maintains the right attitude, and he says,
46:39: If I don't pray for you, it would be a sin against the Lord. And he loves the people,
46:44: Israel, and he continues on with them. So just some points this morning. Let's see. Are there any other questions?
46:51: Any other true and false? Yeah, that answers number seven, doesn't it, down the bottom.
46:57: By God's grace, we can be enabled to stay the course, even when others reject
47:02: God true. How about number eight? As a child of God who makes a bad decision, God loves me less and may not forgive me.
47:10: Of course, the answer to that is false. Any other final comments? Hopefully, it'll help you when it comes to knowing what
47:19: God does when he puts authority over you, the protection that's there, the safety and the security that's there.
47:25: And then when God puts a person in your life to give you good counsel, heed it, listen, glean from it, even if you don't agree with the way that they're sometimes, oh,
47:36: I don't… You know, some folks, when you talk to them, they're going to pick one thing out when what you're saying to them to get after because you said it wrong or you had the facts wrong or whatever.
47:45: They're not listening to the 90 % of what you said that was right. They're going to key in on that. So be careful when you're giving advice to another person, but when receiving it, listen and see what
47:55: God might be bringing your way through that counsel and seek counsel when you're making a major decision.
48:02: I don't know how many people who have fumbled and failed and just stumbled and you go to talk to them and you say, well, did you pray about it?
48:10: Did you seek any counsel? Have you studied the Word of God? Do you have any verses of Scripture that have helped you to come to this decision?
48:17: No, I just did it all on my own. Trust in the Lord with all our hearts. Lean on to your own understanding and all our ways acknowledge him and he will direct our paths.
48:27: Let's pray. Father, thank you for this time. Many things were said back and forth and disjointed a bit and out of order, but we pray that you would help us to be a people of your word, a people who are desirous of good and godly counsel and we seek it.
48:48: We want to learn from other people who are further on in the faith than we are. Help us that are older and more mature in the faith.
48:57: Whatever year we are in our walk with Christ to be able to be ready to help others who are in need that are younger in the faith than we are, that we might have the desire to be able to glorify
49:11: Christ in all we do here at BBC and living this way one with another out in the world as testimonies and ambassadors for Christ, for his glory and for his namesake alone.