Apologetics Live with Justin Peters

All right, I think we're live. We're trying to set this up. Sorry folks a little bit different as you can tell Justin and I are in a hotel. Maybe I move this closer. We won't get trying to prevent some of that light.

That's right above us. Probably not the best. So folks let us know those in the chat let us know if you can hear us, okay, just because. It's a little different setup. Being on the road as we are so. And if anyone wants to join just go to apologetics live calm to come in and so you can join us and See, let me just get.

I Am gonna just send this over the link over to mr. Slick to see if he wanted to join but we'll see. So Justin was for folks who are watching. And Okay, good you here. So Justin is out here in Pennsylvania.

Actually, I kind of like this. I look I look bright and you look dark. I like that. Yeah. See, what if we put this over here? Sorry folks. I know this is horrible to do when it's live is to play with the camera that looks much better.

Oh, yeah, okay, but then I got to make sure Hello everybody. Sorry for having to adjust this All right All right. So Rosie Grubb says hello Andrew and Justin from Vegas. Okay, I'm getting rid of the mouse because that so So we were we're in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, I'm trying to just adjust this All right.

A little bit closer so you we need Justin looking better. Okay. So What if you we do until anyone comes in with some questions if you have any questions if you have any questions for specifically NAR or word of faith Be a better topic.

Would be good to ask that tonight, but what I figured we would do until folks come in with questions. We we may not go as long. So we'll see how long we end up going tonight just because it's been a long day and Because of that well Someone needs to sleep.

I don't know why. Okay, I'm getting my second win. Sleep much last night at all. Yeah, there was a noisy neighbor keeping him up pounding on the walls of the room. Wake up. So so what I figured we could do Justin let's talk a little bit about.

Thank You Sheila. I'm fascinated by these notes. I'm not really this is yeah so what I could do is I actually could put the notes right up there as people a Comment and More light on Justin went. Yeah, I know I'm dark.

I don't know that there's anything. Yeah, we can do about see. What if I do that? Oh, no that better worse. Yeah, the problem the problem is there's a light right over the camera. That's the problem it's what happens when you're mobile like this it's if I go back does that not just okay, so.

So sure you should just come on in and join us is what you should do go to apologetics live .com. Hey Addison and Abigail. Sorry, man. Yeah. No, that's good. Well, I Okay, so so Danny was following us on Online saw that we were at dinner.

We were kind of rushed a bit. I I guess I should just announce that right? We so we're sitting there. We had dinner. We're having some great fellowship. We were sitting with Chris arms in in the hotel lobby and I and I was the one that invited Chris to come back so we could hang out for a while and we're just Kind of hanging out and all of a sudden I went.

Oh, oh we got the show to do it like right now. So I ran in here and that was a little bit a little bit busy. So let's talk about. Until folks come in with questions. And again, if you if you want to come in just go to apologetics live Comm.

To get your to ask any questions. So what I want to do is talk about what the topic was tonight or today at the luncheon. We'll start with that for folks I think I think many of the folks will probably who know you are aware of what word of faith is and and what your ministry is but for folks who don't while you just explain briefly the the brilliance in the naming of your ministry and The forethought.

Yeah the head of Justin Peters ministries and I promise you that is a lack of creativity on my part not narcissism, I really just I Didn't know what else to call it. So, um, if I to put a little more thought into it, I could probably come up with something better.

But now it is what it is but You know, what was your question what I talked about today, yeah, well actually we got some on that. So we got a question that did come in at least here from a Facebook user.

Private Tongues and the Purpose of Spiritual Gifts

How would you respond to a Pentecostal that says tongues is his private prayer language? Yeah, great question so I Hear this a lot and and I know a lot of people are very sincere when they say this that I've heard a lot of people say well, I don't speak in tongues in church, you know I don't do it in church.

It's just something that I do privately between me and the Lord and my private Prayer closet or you know kitchen table or wherever they like to pray and it's just something between me and the Lord and I understand that I Understand, you know that when people say that that they're very sincere.

But but here's what I would say to that is that That is not incongruence. With the purpose of the spiritual gifts. Why do we have spiritual gifts generally speaking? What are they for? Well, we we know from Scripture that they are for the edification of the church the building up of the body.

They are not for our own private use. Okay, they're not for our own private use if you have the gift of mercy. For example, do you go into your private prayer closet and just show yourself mercy, you know?

No, we laugh at that right that's comical so but why don't we don't exhort ourselves and we don't. So, so why do we carve out an exception for the gift of tongues, why do we say okay, well All of the other spiritual gifts are for the edification of the church.

But for this one that one I'm using for myself. That's not why we have spiritual gifts. That's not why they're given and there's there's no hermeneutical reason to carve out an exception for the gift of tongues it's just not and and there's no record of Anyone in Scripture Old or New Testament praying to God in anything other than a human language.

Nowhere everyone who prays Jesus included prays in a human language a known language, so. Yeah, I know people are very sincere when they say things like that but Sincerity is not the issue truth is the issue.

We have to stick with Scripture and we have to remember that a lot of a lot of pagan religions Mormons speaking some Mormons speak in tongues a lot of Hindus speak in tongues. Even a few Muslims if you can believe it speak in tongues.

There's a lot of pagan religions that speak in tongues. So it's not a uniquely Christian practice at least the charismatic expression of it is not this unintelligible ecstatic gibberish. Which is not the genuine gift of languages.

Okay, so we got and for Facebook users if you go to apologetics live calm or even I think even in the notes. It'll it there's a link of how to get Facebook to accept so we we know your name. But why won't Michael why won't Michael Brown won't call out Todd Bethany.

Why won't Michael Brown call out Todd Bentley in your opinion? Why won't Michael Brown I? Guess it says why why won't Michael Brown won't won't yeah won't called out. Yeah, that that's one of the for those of you may have seen my video.

I did it you can go on my youtube I did a video entitled my response to Michael Brown. Michael Brown wanted to debate me about physical healing he said he wanted to have a quote pastoral discussion about physical healing and the summation of my response was No, I cannot have a pastoral discussion about you with anything when you won't call out.

Manifestly obvious charlatans and Brazen heretics he Michael Brown doesn't call these people out. He calls them their brother his brother. He calls Benny Hinn his brother. He calls Kenneth Copeland his brother and In even Todd Bentley, he won't call out definitively.

He has said in this statement that was recently released a few days ago that He's not qualified for ministry, but yet the statement also said that Todd Bentley is gifted by God. Todd Bentley is not gifted by God.

Todd Bentley is a wolf. He's a goat. He's lost. He's not gifted by God for anything. He is. He is under the judgment of God. So in one of the marks of a mature Christian is a discerning Christian and quite honestly I'm sorry, if you can't tell like if you can't tell that someone as bad as Todd Bentley as a false teacher.

Then okay for folks who don't know enough about Todd Bentley. What a summary what just a brief overview what are some of the things that would cause Todd Bentley to be. Why should people be so discerning on Todd Bentley?

Well, you don't have to be very discerning about Todd Bentley. That's the thing. Todd Bentley is one of the worst of the worst of the worst. This is a guy who says that God told him to kick an elderly woman in the face with his biker boot.

This is a woman. This is a man who? While this Lakeland revival that was going on back in 2008 This was the biggest thing in the charismatic movement Bill Johnson endorsed at Heidi Baker. John are not all of them.

Even Michael Brown. The whole time the supposed revival was going on Todd Bentley was a drunk. He was having an affair with a female member of his staff, even though he was married and had children it was discovered and rather than repent of Of his sin and go to his wife he went ahead and divorced his wife is his.

His handicapped wife his wife his original wife Shona has no meat in her left leg her had some surgery for anyway, she has no meat and Probably didn't look real good for a faith healer to be married to a handicapped woman.

Well, anyway, he divorced her left her left his kids. Married this adulterous Manifest, I mean this is a guy who? Kicks people in the in kicks them literally in the stomach kick the guy with colon cancer in the gut the guys the guy belongs in a straitjacket, I Mean he is manifestly evil.

And when you say manifestly you've actually been close enough to him and you have a particular view with him that you don't have with all word-of-faith teachers. Yeah, I think Todd Bentley's demon-possessed I Genuinely believe I don't say and you don't say about many people I think there's only two that I've ever heard the only two that I believe are genuinely demon-possessed that I Would almost bet my soul on it.

Todd Bentley and Kenneth Copeland. I'm just glad I wasn't listed there. No not in Todd Bentley and Kenneth Copeland, I believe are actually demon-possessed. I don't think Benny Hinn is I think he's just a false prophet false teacher but but Todd Bentley, I believe is absolutely is and In this statement that came out Michael Brown just a few days ago about Todd Bentley.

He said I have not endorsed Todd Bentley since 2009 well, this Lakeland revival was going on in 2008 and Everything that I just said about him divorcing his wife kicking elderly women and kicking people and all this that was known in 2008 so It's a shame it is honest it's an honest shame that Michael Brown is so lacking in discernment.

So profoundly lacking in discernment. So Michelle says, thank you so much. Mr. Peters for your ministry Lord used your ministry to deliver my family out of the charismatic chaos. Amen. Praise the Lord.

So We have a Facebook user asks the question. Where's the sushi? But that's okay because no co-radio our friend over there Mike Abendroth. He said up there it is. He said the sushi boys unite. So he had he had the answer is Mike Abendroth on here right now.

Yeah. Well, that's that would be no co-radio. He must be watching on Twitter. So, let's see there were some other questions that we had to say Mike you're I saw your thing about the Tim Keller thing that made almost made me laugh out loud today.

So Well, I don't know what you're you're so now you have to share it with us what did Mike do. He had this picture of it. Well Tim Keller several years ago had the Male ballet dancers perform at his church.

Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that. Yeah. It is it is Keller he's in New York. All right, so let's see. There were some other questions that I did see come in okay, so Andrew asks, how does Justin feel about the nominations that associate as reformed charismatic?

Yeah reformed charismatic. Honestly, I think that's kind of a oxymoronic Term and and I don't mean that as an insult. I simply mean it as it there there they should be two mutually exclusive positions because one of the one of the pillars of the Reformation was Sola Scriptura scripture alone and the charismatic movement charismatic position By definition does not believe in Sola Scriptura.

They do not believe that the scripture is sufficient. Because they Get dreams and visions and God speaks to them and all this kind of stuff. And so the Bible but the you cannot hold to the carrot the continuous position the charismatic position and the sufficiency of scripture at the same time they're mutually exclusive positions, so You know, I'm not saying that all charismatics are lost.

Um, that's not what I'm saying. But I am saying that you cannot hold to the charismatic position and the sufficiency of scripture at the same time. They are mutually exclusive positions. It's like having a Square circle it doesn't it doesn't exist.

Can't have it. Okay, so Mike said blessings brother. He also said here to serve. So we had I find I saw another question that popped up earlier. Where was it Danny's. Danny said Justin, what would you say to those who claim?

Those who claim that those who follow the word of faith and New Apostolic Reformation are at least getting some type of biblical doctrine. What I say to those who claim that those who follow word faith and they are getting somed.

Well, and I think let me start with this. Let me take this question and ask this because I think that's a hone in on it. You have a view that Like Islam is less of a threat than word of faith right. But Spiritually speaking and then within word of faith like a guy like Benny Hinn.

You'll say at least the gospel goes out once in a while with him. But there's others that there's no gospel at all and you make a distinction even there to say, okay at least at least. The gospel could be heard even though it's you know, even if it's a he's giving a whole bunch of false doctrine.

He'll also sometimes give some biblical truth. So I think what this is saying is at least if they're sitting under Benny Hinn, they're getting some sort of biblical truth. So try to there. I think my guess is they're trying to justify.

Saying there it's better than nothing. Yeah, but it's it's it's really not a couple points. I Have no doubt that there have been people saved. Listening to Benny Hinn preached now before you think Justin has gone off the deep end.

I have heard Benny Hinn present the gospel plenty well enough for God to call one of his own to himself. Now once that happens once someone does come to Christ, let's say they were saved by hearing the gospel by Benny Hinn, I mean Not everything that false teachers teach is false.

Some of it is right, you know, a broken clock is right twice a day. So Benny Hinn has presented the gospel plenty well enough for someone to hear it respond get converted. But once that happens and that person begins to grow in Christ.

He's not going to continue to listen to Benny Hinn. He's gonna leave Benny Hinn and he's gonna go get some sound teaching from biblically qualified men. Now as far as uh, I don't know if that helped or not a term as far as.

Well, it's better to listen to Benny Hinn than nobody. Well, no it's it's not because My wife gave me this Illustration one time I thought was really helpful in every area of life. We want the best and we seek out the best, right?

We want the best mechanic to fix our car. We want the best plumber to fix our leaky sink. We want the best doctor to give us medical care. We want the best dentist. You know, we we seek out people who are qualified and trained in their field of expertise.

Except when it comes to preaching. And when it comes to preaching when it comes to the nourishment of our eternal soul, huh? Anybody will do you see how backwards that thinking is? There is no area that we should be more careful in than in preaching then and the the people To whom we listen for biblical instruction.

The men should be men by the way. But anyway, yeah, why why compromise on that? We wouldn't compromise on anything else. Why do it there? So Everybody starts off as a baby Christian and I know that there are a few baby, very immature believers that would listen to a Benny Hinn or a Joel Osteen or something like that, but here's the deal babies grow up.

Babies don't stay babies. They always grow up. And so as Christians we yeah, you start off as a baby Christian, but you grow up and You mature you progress that works, how'd you do that? I made the screen brighter.

Oh. So, um, see I was thinking did that answer your I hope that answered your question. Uh, well the best the best way to do it is to come on in go to apologetics live calm and join in. And then then we know that you get the answers.

So a Facebook user, sorry, he didn't allow string yard to use his name yet. So it says Justin, how would you respond to? If one doesn't speak in tongues, they don't have the Holy Spirit. We hear that a lot in this person is Not actually believing this he's just because he's saying how do you respond?

So I'm thinking that but and we do hear that a lot. We hear people that say if you don't that tongues. I actually was online Facebook this week. Debating this with someone that was saying that that tongues is the sign.

That you're baptized in the Holy Spirit. Yes, just false. It's just not a biblical position at all. When a person gets saved He is indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God when you got converted you got all of the Holy Spirit.

You're ever gonna get you don't get part of the Holy Spirit. You don't get a third of him at conversion and then you work out your way up to the rest of him. God gives the Spirit without measure. So when we when we are saved we are we are baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ and we have the Person of the Holy Spirit residing within us who illumines the meaning of Scripture sanctifies us.

Helps us to understand and obey Scripture and thereby we grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Christ. So Yeah, it is. It's just a patently unbiblical thing to say. Well, if you don't speak in tongues, you don't have the Spirit.

Well, if I don't have a spirit, I'm not saved. I mean that's the bottom line if you don't have that so much that you don't have a Holy Spirit. Then you're not saved. When I think the way they come to this is they start to see that baptism of the Holy Spirit they see this at the times where you have the gift of tongues and That's tied with baptism of Spirit in the book of Acts.

Right, which is a transition which is a transitional book and we see other times where people get saved and there aren't there's no speaking in tongues there. Where some of them will do is then they say the only sign of baptism of Spirit is speaking in tongues.

Some of them will see in 1st Corinthians 12 13 where it says we're all baptized into one spirit. And so they say if we're not if we don't have the tongues then we don't have the Spirit if we know the Spirit.

We're not saved. And that's the way they would argue it. But there's actually nothing that says that the gift of tongues is the sign of the baptism of Holy Spirit. That's something they interject. In fact the whole the whole chapter of That Paul argues in 1st Corinthians 12 is to say we don't all have the same gift, right?

And so we shouldn't all have the same gift of speaking in tongues. That's the whole point of the gift of tongues is we don't each have the same gift. Yeah, and so. So, let's see Joe Joe April gas. Just say to get the time.

I mean that's the point of the spiritual gift. Yes, we don't sorry that we don't all have the same gift. Yeah, I think I spoke. He says hey guys, thanks for all you do. When is the next time? You to come to Nicaragua.

So have you been to Nicaragua? Joel I haven't been so I really can't say when the next time is but I can say this if you invite us. We'll come and that's how then that would be the next time. Yeah, I would love to come back to Nicaragua.

I sure would a wonderful trip good brothers good food, too. By the way, I enjoyed it wasn't the Indian food. No, okay. Yeah, my stomach is not strong enough to know mine mine either mine either sushi.

I'm good with sushi. I could do. Okay, Al from New Jersey guy get the New Jersey folks, you know giving shout-outs to Al says How do oh that's one we asked her any How do you answer those who's oh, it's a different person asking the same question.

Okay. Hey, well, his question was how do you answer those? Who's who would say if you don't speak in tongues? You're not baptized in the Holy Spirit. So actually it was a little different question, but it was answered in that previous one.

So Let's see and so folks if you want to come in and join us that is the best way because then we actually get to dialogue with you. So here's someone that someone that just says Ellis says to you this is from YouTube.

Thank You. Mr. Peters. You had helped me too much when I got out handing out Bibles I talked to People about you and your ministry. I always pray for you and your family. Thank you Ellen. I recognize Ella from Twitter back when I used to be on Twitter the self-imposed and that yeah, you're not allowed so the joke is I posted a video that Justin put out and Someone came after me saying that Somehow me posting his video was a violation of his self-imposed Twitter band, which if it's self-imposed he can come back anytime he wants.

I Don't. I'm just not sure we got a shout out from the bar the bar podcast if you're married Dwayne. Dwayne's right there. He's watching on Facebook. Hey, brother. I'm looking forward to seeing you at g3.

We're gonna see him at g3. We'll also see Andy Lewanski. He's gonna be a brother. He says hi guys Randy asked the question any thoughts on Perry Stone seems people hang on his every word and Prophecy here in West, Virginia.

Yeah, Perry Stone is another word of faith health and wealth prosperity preacher. He's not as Quite as overt with the prosperity aspect of it as are some others, but it is there. In fact, I would say it's even it's becoming more pronounced in his teaching from what I've seen.

He's big on eschatology, you know, that's his thing Israel and eschatology and all that. But you know it that it really that's really neither here nor there because he's word of faith and if you're teaching word faith doctrine.

Bad juju. Not qualified to do you got against the Jews bad juju? What's up with that? Kind of. So, yeah, Perry Stone's bad news. Unqualified. There's that bizarre video of him. I don't came out a few months ago him.

Getting like what? Oh, he's speaking in tongues while he was checking his iPhone. Oh, was that him? That's Chris. Oh, that was that's why he's like he's like, oh, yeah, he's got his phone and he's like, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna Praise praise praise praise.

He's like just texting away. I Like your new shirt there just and I win calm that's nice that that showed up nicely. Um. Hey Bobby, this is where the court we asked question. Where's Bobby? He says hey Justin and Andrew we miss you in the Phil I'll be yeah, this is fun, man Bobby is for folks who don't know we're in the Philippines.

I mean Bobby was the guy that was helping during the conference and it's like every time he turned around There was Bobby. I mean he was just always everywhere. Bobby's a Barnabas. Yeah. Everywhere. Yeah, Bobby.

Yeah, what a good good brother, man. I miss you guys in the Philippines I know and they were they called the I got a call from pastor Armand when it was New Year's for them so it was like Middle of the day for us and we were actually trying to get on a flight or I think we're getting back from if I forget what it was and they were they had called and To what let us watch the fireworks there in the Philippines 12 hours before we would see it here.

It was a great trip. In fact, I wrote about our trip. So I'm in my newsletter. It's gonna be coming out here shortly. Sheila Says, okay. What is the difference in prophecy and fortune-telling? That the palm readers do don't judge.

I've been around both yeah, I'm not sure I've ever been asked a question quite like that, but Sheila there's. Yeah, there's there's really not much different. No, we should do that. Hey, that's a good let's do it.

Hey Anthony say hi to it apologetics live. You want to say hi to Justin to? Well, how about you good you should just be coming into apologetics life so you can just join us, you know. A sportsman club we joined so we're not allowed to say that on the air anymore.

Come on I'll give you a call. I'll give you a call when the show's over and I talked to some people that have been devastated their families devastated by the NIR and time talking them and to buy your DVD cause all waters to cause water to and stuff.

So Hopefully they'll they'll get it and help. Well, thank you brother. I hope that that's the case pray that it is and Just for anybody listening. I have a standing policy if you need my resources and cannot afford them.

Let me know email me. Let me know. I'll be glad to send you one for free. So I can afford them. I pray that don't don't be trying to give me free DVDs. You're not you're not in the. But well Anthony might disagree, you know, I don't know.

All right, this is what happens live show you call you're gonna end up on air. Yeah, we'll talk about you once we hang up now that we know you can't watch live, all right good. So see this question, what is the difference between prophecy and fortune-telling that the palm readers do very little very little.

It's it's a distinction without a real difference. In fact a lot of what these so-called prophets do is what's called cold reading psychics do the same thing, you know, Sylvia Brown and I. Guess miss Cleo or whatever, you know some of these people, you know.

They go up to somebody and you can ask general questions that are broad enough and you can Key in on some of the things that people say their body language and you can make some educated guesses and it and then you'll well so-and-so and you start making these kind of general statements and you pick up on these cues and and it actually Sounds like you have some pipeline of some secret knowledge.

When it's that's not it at all or just picking up on cues and body language and you know. Making educated guesses from that so there's really not much difference there. They're the gift of prophecy in the sense of foretelling the future is Not an operation today.

Okay, so a Facebook user I think is giving you a warning here. Things being used. Keep up the good work Justin. But keep an eye out for Andrew can't trust any of those Jersey types. And unfortunately, I can't see who that is.

I'll go back on Facebook later to find out who that is. Now Jess is a regular here and she asked the question. Are you guys reformed right? Yeah. Well, I mean it. So, okay, so it depends on your definition.

So Let me give you a little history of why I would hesitate so. You had the Catholic Church that developed what they you know a theology based on covenants and seeing themselves as a continuation Of Old Testament Judaism and You had the really reformers came out and developed what was called reformed Theology and many people refer to covenant theology as reformed theology.

And then what you have is people who have taken what John Calvin, you know the ideas of Calvin and Calvinism and what people would talk about the Doctrines of grace or maybe people think of Calvinism instead of calling that Calvinism or doctrines of grace.

They call that reformed theology and reformed theology is much broader. In one sense, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be one in my sense neither one of us would be Reformed in the sense that we're more we are dispensational on our theology and so that would be different than reformed theology in one sense now if you're speaking of it as far as The doctrine of salvation and how we were saved.

Well there we would agree with the doctrines of grace. Right fair enough. Yep pop pointer. All right. So oh, I like this question Justin Melissa here is asking the question has Justin become his did a K podcast technically Broadcast that are that are currently going and it's under the label of did a K but they were recorded a long time ago.

I have not begun my new Podcast because I am on the cusp of having a brand new website totally revamped. And so I'm wanting to launch my new website and the did a K broadcast at the same time, so How long have I been asking you this question?

I know I know it's. It's going on like two years now. I've been asking this on a regular basis as well. Lord willing and and he doesn't need to wait for the new website. I mean, it's all there. It's all ready.

You could actually just thought I told me it was a good idea to wait and launch them both at the same time. That was before we put all the ones out there. Now. They're they're all the old ones are out there.

So I say get going. Very shortly very shortly. Thank you for it'll be a little busy with g3. Yeah. Yeah, get past g3 and Lord willing Lord willing after g3. It should start. Okay? Andrew had said to the question he asked he said thank you for your answer.

Melissa asks I found a church that is mostly sound but the pastor teaches the spiritual gifts. I feel out of place because I am a sensationist. It's hard to fellowship with others because of this suggestions, by the way.

Let me just clarify before you answer we believe in the spiritual gifts, too. We just don't believe all of them continue. Just yeah. Yeah, and that's a and I'm sure I'm sure Melissa you understand that but for anybody else listening.

As a cessationist, I do believe Andrew and I both believe in the spiritual gifts. We believe in all of them in the sense that they all at one time were in operation including the apostolic gifts assigned gifts.

But those signed gifts tongues interpretation of tongues languages interpretation of languages. The gift of miracles gift of physical healing those gifts those apostolic gifts signed gifts are no longer in operation.

I do believe that it still heals people today. But only when it's his sovereign will to do so. That is not the same thing as saying someone possesses the gift of healing that I do not believe so but as a cessationist Andrew and I Both believe in the gift of teaching.

The gift of mercy the gift of exhortation the gift of giving the gift of hospitality. All of these gifts are very much an operation in the church today only the apostolic gifts are not now specifically to your question.

Honestly Melissa, of course, I don't know where you live. I don't know if maybe there aren't. Maybe I don't know if there's another option for you. I what I was gonna say that the option of driving one you share about your wife.

How far she used to drive that yeah. This kind of goes back to what I was saying a while ago that hearing the Word of God Exposited by biblically qualified men is so vitally important. It is the most important thing I tell people.

No matter how far you have to drive find a good church. I don't care how far it is and Even if it's too far to go every week. Better to go to a good church once or twice a month than a bad church every week.

So seek it out. No matter how far you have to go. Talk to the elder if it's too far to go every week. Talk to the elders there. Let them know your situation. I'm sure they will be understanding before Kathy and I got married Kathy Used to drive long story short Kathy was married before me her husband John died.

So she was a widow died at a very early age of a heart attack, but anyway Before I married Kathy. When she and John were married they drove they lived in Billings, Montana. They drove from Billings, Montana to Bozeman.

One way to church. That's a hundred and forty miles. But one way one way one way and they did it. Every week every week because church was that important to them the Word of God rightly divided was that important to them?

Now I understand not everybody can do that, but it makes me feel better because I have like a 60 mile ride to church. So so it makes me feel a little better. What I get up at like 6 in the morning or sorry when I leave.

Yeah, I'm leaving we get up like it at 5 something 6 something to be able to go to church. It's I I could not. Me personally, I could not join a church that is Charismatic that is continuous. Even if they were, you know, you hear the phrase Open but cautious that kind of thing.

I couldn't do it because it is is that important of an issue to me? So Melissa, I would just say I don't know where you live go to TMS edu and they have a search there go to resources find a church and See if there's a church, you know within a hundred miles of you and probably is but Well the church I go to what we did.

And a lot of people just couldn't find a good church in their area in Bucks County, Pennsylvania and They were actually driving into New Jersey to Somerset. They were driving. Think about an hour over an hour to get to church every week.

So they ended up getting enough people together and they they contacted Master's Seminary and their grace advance program and worked out with grace advance that they would send out a pastor and And plant a church and so it's a it's a new church plant Master's Church of Bucks County.