Apologetics Session 42 - The New Age

I just want to read Psalms 82, okay, really quick, and it says God has taken his place in the divine counsel in the midst of the gods he holds judgment. Now the divine counsel was what God picked certain angels to run certain things, okay, and they fail miserably, they fall on the way, okay, and he asked the question, how long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked?

So it's coming towards here, this is on verse 2. Verse 3, give justice to the weak and the fatherless, maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. Verse 4, rescue the weak and the needy, deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

Verse 5, they have neither knowledge or understanding, they walk about in darkness. This all is about darkness, okay. Verse 6 is, you are God, you're basically here in the Hebrew, is I appointed you to look over these matters, okay.

Son of the Most High, all of you, nevertheless like men you shall die. So God's promise is, he's going to, and we know this in Revelation, we know in Revelation 20 and 21, he's going to throw them into the lake of fire.

And then he does a call to action, arise O God, judge the earth, for you shall inherit all the nations. And that's how he ends it. So I'm sorry, a quick question here, the divine.

Counsel, you said they were angels. Yeah. Okay, can't that word God's, lowercase. Yeah, Elohim. Well can't that also be translated as judges or masters? Yes, it can be. Because I really have a problem with those being, said that they're angels.

Right. Because it also says you will die like men. Yeah. So big problem with saying those are angels.

Right, so you're thinking that this is men, kings. That's the basic argument. So you need to look, I don't know if you just, read the book Unseen Realm and read the Hebrew, the different types of nouns that are happening there.

So the Elohim on this one has a certain accent that goes towards what the angel, angelic realm, on this. But don't take my word, read, read it. Okay? Okay. This is the basic argument right here, he just brought it up.

Okay, so we're gonna go through this, New Age. Okay, and does anybody have any questions what I just said? Besides the troublemaker? No, no, I think it's good that you bring it up because this is exactly, I just said before you came in, your pastors often say what you just said, yet they don't, they don't go into descriptions, just give the demonstration of where the splits are happening or not.

That's all I was saying. Go ahead. Well, I mean, I have a question. So.

Besides Psalm 82, is it anywhere else in the Bible that describes that more? It is.

In Genesis, look at Genesis 6. Right, the Nephilim? Yeah, the Nephilim, right. Okay. So, so, so we get a warning in 83, Psalm 83, so let, let them be put to shame and dismay forever, let them perish in the great disgrace, that they may know that you alone, whose name is the Lord, are the most high over all the earth.

All right? So the New Age movement is a collection of spiritual beliefs and philosophies that first gained attraction of 1970. However, New Age has been around since the 1860s. And if you think this is New Age, think again.

So this is what we always think about when we think of New Age. Okay? And you know, the oneness, self-help, enlightenment, you know, vibration, esoteric. Gaia. Mother Earth. Right. But New Age started from this.

Okay? That's where it actually started. And, and so when we're thinking about the end times, and we're thinking about how the dark side is trying to coalesce everyone and bring it into a point that it becomes one world order, this was the first attempt to really start to do that.

And they do it under the guise of New Age thinking. The best way to kill people is with apathy. Think about it. Okay? You don't have to use bullets. People just roll over. And that's what ends up happening for enlightenment.

So, of course, Crosby still, Nash and Young, says we are stardust. We are golden. We're billion-year carbons. We're trying to get ourselves back to the garden. Okay? So that's, that's very much a New Age thinking of what was happening back in the 60s when they were starting to embrace this.

All right? And then the talking heads even go further with it. You may ask yourself, what's this beautiful house? You may ask yourself, where does that highway go to? You may ask yourself, am I right or am I wrong?

And you may say to yourself, my God, what have I done? Same as it ever was. Can you get any more insightful from the New Age thinking there? Okay? Was that David Byrne? Yeah, David Byrne, right. So the movement started in 1875.

The theosophical teachings, which basically means God philosophy, started with Helena Pranova. And she was a mystic. And she started the Theosophical Society, right, in 1875. And later, in 1920, Alice Ann Bailey promoted a new form of enlightenment.

And I thank Rich for bringing her book here. I think one of her books is here.

Which one? The Secret Doctrine? No. Yeah. The Secret Doctrine. You can pass those around.

Okay. David Spangler's a big New Ager. So this Theosophot, whatever, Society formed with a goal. So the goal was to abolish Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. And the mission is to establish the unity of all religions.

Why those three? They claimed their teachings were revealed by spirits and elemental gods, demons. And in 1922, Bailey founded the Lucifer Publishing Company, called the Lucis Trust after him. The emphasis was on self-deification, creating a master Aryan society, and a one-world New Age religion and social order.

Lucifer Publishing Company changed to Lucis Trust in 1949, printed and distributed these teachings. They also gave step-by-step instructions to create a new world order. Bailey's main teaching established a symbol of the rainbow as its identification with the discussion of sacredness of the new world order symbol of 666.

Now, I want to pause here for a minute. Does anything.

Sound familiar? What's going on right now? I think the name of the publishing company was a little on the nose. But what we're experiencing right now, okay, the.

New Age movement parallels the ideas and the philosophy of Nazism of the 30s and 40s. So that's the underpinnings of what had happened. And the books are still big sellers. Oh, huge. They appear in loosely knit groups, and from the outside looking in, they have kind of these ambiguous goals with the effort to improve humanity.

Okay, and that's what we're hearing today. And beneath the surface is an organized leadership and strategy which guides the movement for the planetary initiative for the world we choose. World economic forum?

Am I here? Do I understand that? Conspiracy theories. I'm a conspiracy theorist, right? Okay. In 1988, 80 million confessed New Agers unified themselves the largest assembly of mass meditation in history, calling it the harmonic convergence and the planetary surrender.

This was led by 144 ,000 shaman, witches, witch doctors, and New Age mystics. There was a worldwide meditation desiring for one world government and religion, all under the guise.

For peace. 144 ,000? Yep. Who's remembering? Where's that number from? So the reality was these.

Meditations were acts of worship and service to the devil, Satan, and the goal of these gatherings unleashed demons and evil spiritual forces upon the world. The result, we are witnessing today what the plantings of these spirits into all aspects of society.

And the most impacted is the politics, social order, families, school, churches, health care, law, and sovereignty. You want to give up.

Sovereignty. I read in that book, Mark Satin's New Age Politics. Yeah, it covers a lot of that.

Okay. So today the New Age movement is extremely large, driven by mystic and occultist figures positioned as agents of peace devoted to global government and religion. They reject the true principles and they seek a universal leader, an antichrist.

And this is predicted in Scripture. It sounds very.

Satanic, and I know it doesn't come right out to say, but Satanism, would that fall.

Under the umbrella? Absolutely, a hundred percent, yeah. Absolutely, absolutely. The New Age Manifesto is these nine pieces, and I'll try to run through them here. Point number one is the New World Order, a universal credit system, World Food Authority, World Health Authority, World Water Authority, universal tax.

We know all this stuff. We're seeing it right now. Okay. Universal military draft, which is what they're trying to do right now in Europe. The NATO is trying to have a universal draft to go against Russia.

Yeah. So it's happening.

Right now. And the UN calls them peacekeepers. Embolishment of Christianity,.

Judaism, one world leader. Okay. All in the name of global peace. And the New Age writings claim that the leaders, such as Adolf Hitler and Jim Jones, were disciples of the movement. Now this is interesting.

So Jim Jones' People's Temple, the New Age spiritual center, was the largest New Age center in the world at the time of the massive suicide. Everybody loves the slander here, it was in Christian. Right.

Yeah. So in 1980, prominent New Ageist David Spangler and Benjamin Krem ran ads and that's ensued the appearance of the Christ. And the personality was introduced as Lord Matreya. Alleging to be the world-class Messiah and great teacher whom they claim to bring peace and solution to world problems.

Okay. So already the deception is already taken hold. So what does the Bible say about this? So you shall not permit a sorceress to live. Exodus. Do not turn to mediums or necromancers. Do not seek them out, so make yourselves unclean by them.

I am the Lord your God. Leviticus. A man or a woman who is a medium or necromancer shall surely be put to death and they shall be stoned with stones. Their blood shall be upon them. Now this is something I had mentioned before with my wife Joyce who has to deal with this a lot.

A lot of the younger people who are having emotional and mental breakdowns are a lot of it's affiliated with New Age stuff that's happening and seeking enlightenment. And the list goes on by you know panic disorders, bipolar, all types of things that you're trying to figure out.

But when Joyce goes and interviews them, she finds out that a lot of them were practicing at some place some New Age things. Okay. And Deuteronomy is very clear about this in 18, 9 -13. When you come into the land that the Lord your God has given you, you shall not learn to follow an abominable practice of those nations.

They shall be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens or sorcerer or charmer or medium or necromancer, one who inquires of the dead.

For whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord and because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. I don't think you can get any more direct than that. I mean that's that's pretty much black and white about how we should be looking at this.

But you'll see what happens there. So the New Age movement is not a religion. Think of it as a large tree of confusing but unifying branches of false teaching and practices aimed towards your enlightenment and passive surrender.

The ultimate goal is to surrender yourself to the one Lord. Okay. So what does New Age do? They fill that desire of spiritual reality that people are seeking so much. And we know this through Scripture that towards the end, before the Lord comes, people are going to be going all over the place to try to get this oneness with God, but not the real God, not Jesus.

Actually a lot of the terminology they use, they talk about being one with the Creator.

One with the Creator, right. Yeah, they say God all over this, all the time. They promote a false doctrine that all is God. It changes one's conscience.

It's a universalist kind of, there's many roads and we all just are trying to find.

Our own path to one with God. Pantheism. Pantheism and polytheism too. Yeah. They communicate a cosmic evolutionary optimism. So we're driving to have peace. Everything's going to be better. We're going to be more enlightened.

And it creates a different reality into reality. And probably the most tragic, it makes context for the kingdom of darkness. So this is where you really need to understand what's going on. Six in ten who call themselves Christian holds at least one New Age belief.

The Pew Research did a study on here and they broke it down. And it's quite fascinating to find out how people are breaking this up and believing what they believe. And the churches are at fault. Pastors are at fault.

And that's what's happening here. But when you look at this chart, you know, belief spiritual energy can be located in physical things. They believe in psychics. They believe in reincarnation, believe in astrology.

It's.

Pretty, pretty overwhelming. Evangelical Christians believe in reincarnation and astrology.

Yeah. The Great Falling Away. Yeah. The apostasy. Well, at least of the lowest of the Christians. When you look at this, when you look at this and you look at what what Pastor Jeff is actually pushing against, it's it's a huge task of what he's writing about and what he's up against.

Because this is what's happening in the churches right now. And this is back in 2017. It's 2023. I'm sure it's even more so than it was back then. And they say, but New Age beliefs are not necessarily replacing belief on traditional forms of religious beliefs or practices.

While eight in ten Christians say they believe in God as described in the Bible, six in ten believe in one or more of the four New Age beliefs analyzed here, ranging from 47 of evangelical Protestants to roughly 7 in 10 Catholics, Protestants, and historically black tradition.

Just a lot of redefinition. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So.

That's the problem that we're dealing with right now. They use the same words with.

Different meanings. So I want to play a quick video for you. What makes it so.

Deceptive? Why is it the biggest threat currently to the Church of Jesus Christ? How is it seducing people? How is it deceiving people? What even is the New Age? Well, I was in the New Age for many, many years.

Praise be to God, I was plucked right out of the depths of it so fast you could hardly believe it. But if you know my testimony, you know that it was a true miracle God saved me. He pursued me like no other, and literally my stubbornness and my unbelief had no match against God.

But the depths I was in, I knew so many other souls that were there, most of which came from the church, most of which grew up in the church, most of which were Christian. But somewhere along the line they realized that Jesus Christ is just some enlightened guy and that the whole Bible is a deception meant to control people.

That doesn't just happen in an instant. It's a slow progression, how the devil gains access to someone's mind. And it's through things like tarot cards, psychics, mediums who speak to the dead, crystals, transcendental meditations, Buddhist meditations, yoga, yoga, to be yoked with entirely spiritual discipline.

Not just stretching, not just physical exercise, it's a real religion. And many other things that entail the New Age. But what the New Age predominantly is, it's a belief system that grounds itself in ancient texts, ancient scriptures, ancient beliefs, but with a modern twist, with a quantum physics twist.

So you'll hear the word quantum in New Age a lot, about raising your vibration, increasing your energy, ascending your consciousness, expanding your consciousness. A lot of psychological terms. So when people go through psychology or they go through yoga or studying spirituality, it's very easy to fall into the New Age.

Because the deeper questions obviously come about, and the most popular thing now is New Age answers. The church no longer dominates the realm of thought in spiritual circles. If you're atheist or agnostic and you are curious, just like me, chances are you're going to end up in the New Age.

And what's so seductive about it is it makes you feel so like you're on to something no one else is on to yet. That's what draws people in. That's how the devil draws people in. Just like the occult. You might as well call it the new occult, because that's what it is.

Everything that's in it is the occult. There's incredible supernatural things in the New Age, just as supernatural as in the church many times. You know, I had people who could quote-unquote speak to the dead who knew things about my relatives I didn't even know, about my passed away relatives, that I had to verify later.

Insane accuracy. Because these demons are real. And these demons are watching people. And these demons communicate with people either out of deception or willingly. And this person thought they were doing a great thing helping people reach their past dead family members.

This person literally thought they were doing a good thing. Little did they know they were channeling demons. And all their lights would flicker and stuff like, whoa, they're here. It was crazy. But I thought it was fascinating, you know.

I grew up with atheists and agnostic. Spiritual things is even like, weird to even think about. You know, we just came from a bunch of random explosion of atoms. No point to life. And then, you know, obviously that doesn't add up.

So, it lures you in with this secrecy. Like you're on to something no one else is on to yet. The Bible, oh, that's been around for thousands of years. All these people believe in that. There's no way that's the truth.

Only a select few know the truth. This is just like Gnosticism. The book of Colossians was used to address a big portion of Gnostic teachings during that time. This is not, this is not some type of new thing.

This is just branded and marketed in a new way. The devil's using this to build that one world religion that's going to be, oh, there's many ways to heaven, not just through Christ. So, you can say God all you want, but the second you say Jesus Christ, that's a big no-no.

Because the second you don't know about who Jesus Christ actually is, all else falls into place. In the New Age, he's an enlightened person. He's an enlightened human. You can reach the same Christ consciousness as he did.

But he's not God. He's not the Savior. He wasn't resurrected. If he did resurrect, he just tapped into some supernatural ability that we can all tap into. So, the New Age makes you feel so powerful. And just like the deception of Adam and Eve at the garden, that you can be like God.

That God's Word is not the truth. It's the same deception now. New Agers believe yoga, you can merge with God. You can merge with the universal consciousness. They literally will say they believe in God, but they don't believe in Jesus Christ.

They believe that their soul can merge with God. So, it's this spiritual discipline that feels so limited and exclusive that lures people in and gets people so prideful. It's so hard to witness to a New Ager because they think they're so right, and they think you're so wrong.

Now, it's the case for others, but it's especially true in the New Age, especially because they're so involved with the supernatural. They're so intertwined with the demonic, and they have no idea. So, these demons have such a power over their mind, and if a New Ager comes to Christ, they're gonna need serious deliverance.

Serious deliverance. Kundalini yoga with that surfing going up your spine causing enlightenment? Come on. Come on. That's straight Satan. I'm a certified yoga instructor. I don't teach it to anyone, but I literally have a certification to teach yoga.

Hundreds of hours of training. Went to Thailand to train in yoga. Went to China hoping to learn from a Qigong master. I was obsessed with this stuff. I wanted to know the secrets, and I didn't know about Christ.

I didn't grow up with Christ, and that's with so many souls now. So, understanding the New Age is so essential because people who get involved in it will slowly stop talking about Jesus. They'll slowly stop and start losing their love for the Word, and they'll slowly start believing in their healing journey, their inner being, their inner self, their inner light, awakening to who they truly are.

All these little buzzwords that sound so fluffy, but compare nothing to the power of the Holy Spirit and fellowship, intimacy with the Holy Spirit. There is not many ways to heaven. There's one, and it's through Jesus Christ, and His love is real.

His mercy is real. It's powerful. It's the truth. He is the way, the truth, and the life. This is the great truth. Lies will abound. Lawlessness will abound. Deception, doctrines from demons will be accepted, and it's happening.

One by one, people are getting plucked off the church by this deceptive New Age. They're getting into yoga, thinking it's all stretching and fun and games. It's not. It's not. Yoga was literally channeled to these ancient sages in India by divine revelation, channeled directly from demons.

Spiritual teachings from the ancient texts called the Vedas and the Bhagavad Gita, which is the Hindu Bible. This is real deal stuff. There's a whole pantheon of gods and goddesses in Hinduism, directly tied to yoga.

Bhakti yoga, interaction with those demons. That's what it is. Kundalini yoga, it's the serpent of the spine. If you go just for stretching and physical exercise, that's amazing, but call it something else.

Because a lot of those poses, they're not just activating organs and healing the body. Some of them are actually worshiping demons, and you don't want to worship demons. You're going to give the devil a legal right to get into your mind and slowly insert seeds of doubt.

This demon will slowly insert seeds of doubt into you, and you will eventually, seven, ten years later, close all the doors, close all the open doors, live a sold-out life for Jesus, get filled with the Holy Spirit, be on fire, be filled with love, grace, power, and do God's work.

Cut down deception, be discerning of deception, study the Word, study Scripture, sharpen your knife, so you don't fall prey to any of these little things that he's trying to throw at you, and you can help others who are slowly falling into it, because Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.

Amen. Hey, cut that. Ivan, do you know his name? Steve Bancorp, by any chance? No, this isn't.

Him. His name is Everett Raw. Yeah, and his testimony is excellent. I've seen a couple of his videos, but he basically is saying what we're talking about now, what's happening here. So, the three main driving factors on this is the lack of spiritual truth, which is what he's talking about, they're not getting into the Word.

The number two is men's apathy, and there's a reason for that, you'll see it. Number three is the feminization of the church. Okay, so in general, we have to hold some responsibility, maybe not individually, but we have to hold some responsibility of that.

Who are the most involved in the New Age? 80 are women. Who practices going to church? We know that's more than 65 of women go to church. There's a connection here that happens. Starting in the 1990s, women started to challenge church doctrines to elevate their own spiritual awareness.

Now, that was a crossroads for pastors now. So, you have women who are coming to church, pastors want to fill the church, and they're starting to push the pastors to start changing what they were talking about.

And you start to see it with a lot of the Pentecostal, hyper-charismatic movements. By using yoga, mindfulness, meditation, Reiki, channeling, women have pushed the boundaries to combine Christian practice with New Age thinking into the churches.

So, they've been the biggest driver for the woke agenda. We know that there are now more women who are in higher education, and more women that are higher in terms of the career path than men are at this moment.

And pastors have allowed the New Age platform into their sermons. Husbands have not lived up to God's hierarchy in maintaining God's truth. And that's a mark against us. And the other causes, you know, we have a two-person income and careers that has become so prominent that the paradigm that God had given us in terms of family is almost all but torn to pieces there.

So, feminism is a driving force for the new generation here, especially among Gen X, Millennials, Gen Y. It's very, very prominent. And they're not accepting that. And I'm sure that you're, Cameron, you're running into a lot of this yourself.

You're in schools. This is not a surprise. Okay. So, the New Age philosophies commonly practiced in the churches now is the law of attraction. Like attract like, you are God. Whatever you believe you will get.

Living your best life now. That's prosperity, gospel, hyper charismatic churches. That's all about, you know, pray it, you get it, that type of thing. There's this oneness. Everything in the universe is one.

You live in the moment. There's no anger, no judgment. You know, God is love. We just need to all come together and be united. No disagreement to be in spiritual harmony. And what they try to do is they think of the inception is they think of the relationship of the Trinity and they try to put that into the New Age.

And then this religious pluralism, all have their own truth, religion, all paths lead to Jesus. Okay. That's a synchronism which makes a hybrid Christianity. That's why so many in the church will never, never get to heaven unless something happens.

Then there's obviously universalism. All are saved, all will eventually go to heaven, go to the source, go to the universe. There is no wrath, only love. And then finally mysticism, seeking a divine and spiritual experience.

It reminds of Gnosticism back when Paul was preaching. Okay. So yogis should not be practicing in churches. No yoga night? Yogurt. Yogurt is okay. Okay. And stop me guys if you have any questions on this.

So yoga is dedicated to a different Lord, Lord Shiva of Hindu, the first, yogi. And this obviously breaks the first commandment. Yoga means to yog, lead people away from Christ, as Matt was talking about before.

Yoga poses offer, are offerings to 350 million Hindu gods. And Acts 15 29 directs, talks directly about what different type of gods are happening there. Yoga has a spiritual nature, it's psychic and metaphysical force.

As I had mentioned before with Joyce and her work, a lot of the people who come in there, they totally turn their mind inside out with these type of practices. And unfortunately with that, when they're trying to do a diagnosis, they're using traditional mental health things like, like I said before, you know, either you're schizophrenic or you're bipolar, what have you.

But when Joyce is doing the group and she has an opportunity to share the gospel, she has to be asked to do that. Many of those people that are in there are former Christians that have walked away from the faith.

And this was the way to do that. Yoga is the missionary arm of the New Age movement. Many Christians adopt New Age through yoga. And Christian yoga was founded by the Hindu leader A .K. Mazandar. You cannot mix Hindu and a worship of Christ.

There's something called Christian yoga? Yeah, that's a movement that's happening now. They're trying to have it in churches. So yoga is highly sensual in nature and it becomes this whole practice of feelings over faith.

And we're seeing that now with a lot of the teaching. And it focuses on manipulation of life force energy. Paul talks about this in Ephesians 2 to go against that. You become the focus in yoga, not God.

As a witness of for Christ, this is not the way to present your belief. So it's all about you and not about him. Yoga is the first step towards metaphysics and easily opens the door for other New Age practices.

Astral projections is just one of them. And it empties the mind. Yet in Christianity, in Romans, you talk about the renewing of the mind. So in Romans 12. Right. And after a yoga workout, persons are very highly impressionable.

Which, as I mentioned before at length, think of yoga, not yoga, but just New Age as doorways that are opened up to allow. So how did this happen? Right. So obviously biblical ignorance. Public figures who claim to know God.

Oprah. Oprah's of the world. She's the one who says there's many paths to God, and she's gotten pastors to say all that. Yeah. Yeah. Dopey, opey. Actually, Jeff mentioned yesterday in yesterday's sermon about Billy Graham towards the end.

And he said, apathy, general apathy. Bad Bible studies. Bad Bible studies is a big, instead of having studies that actually go into the Word of God, they're more like a Dr. Phil type of Bible studies that are happening.

A lot of peer pressures among women that are doing this, you know, they want to be part of a group, of a tribe, to do that. And then just poor biblical leadership is a big factor of all this. Okay. So the summary is, is that New Age is a satanic practice.

It's a weapon for the Antichrist, a platform for one world government. It's claiming to be the last barrier, the churches. It's really going after the churches now at this point. And it claims to be about peace, but it's all about the occult in your soul.

And New Age creates a sense of civic apathy, which is so dangerous, because for one world government, we're just going to roll over. We're not going to even try to fight back. So it's very, very important for us as men to be leaders, not just in our home, but in some way, whatever influence we have through Christ, to take a stand, as Pastor Jeff does, and as some of us are doing here.

So here's the conclusion of all this. It says, New Age is not new. The pearls of Eve is alive today. We do have a historic reference in Jezebel. Just read 1 Kings and 2 Kings. Jezebel really personified a lot of what we're seeing over here.

And this, men must take a stand for their families and for biblical truth. There's no excuse. We have to do it. Our children depend on it. It's no longer time for us to sit in the sidelines or in the background.

We have to take a stand now. And unfortunately, this is the last line, is we live in a world that being nice will send people to hell. There's no more time to be nice. We have to speak the truth, even if it offends people.

God's truth will offend everybody, as we know in Scripture.

We have to tell them the truth. There's a podcaster on YouTube, Melissa Dougherty. She's great. What's that? She's great. Yeah, she's awesome. And she used to be heavy into the New Age. Yeah. And she's born-again Christian now, and really preaches, like, her focus is very much on preaching against the New Age and how it sucks people in.

And she does, like, these little skits on her YouTube. She's pretty fun to watch. But if you're interested, look her up on YouTube, because you'll, she'll, like, talk about things, and it'll be a little shocking, like, I never thought about that, about how things sneak in.

And what's her name?

Melissa Dougherty. So this is a kind of a data dump, or brain dump, on the New Age. It's going to be uploaded onto Matt's site, and I can't emphasize enough how important, did you understand this, and take the time to go through it.

It is all over. I can't express that enough. It is all over everything. And if you.

Look at a lot of the progressive Christians, as well as, you know, just liberal theology, you look at things like Joel Osteen, you look at things like, who's the gay pastor? I forget his name. He just did a debate with Jeff Durbin.

Oh yeah, yeah. You know who I'm talking about? Yeah, I know who you're talking about. His name is escaping me right now. I don't know, it's something. Yeah, but they, a lot of the theology that those folks are preaching are the, there's many ways.

I mean, Joel Osteen said on Oprah, and on Larry King, and all over the place, he said many times that he's not one to condemn folks, and say that Jesus is the only way, that he stays in his lane. But if you think about what he preaches, it's all, it's all how you can channel good things in your life.

It's all about sending signals into the universe. It's all about, you know, positive energy, and positive thoughts. It's very New Age. It's all about having your heaven on earth. Yeah, but it's directly into the New Age about, you know, what is it, enlightening your consciousness, and sort of willing things into existence.

And then, if you go a different route in some of the progressive Christian circles, you'll hear them talk about, you know, how the Bible is not authoritative. And some will even give up the divinity of Christ, and say that he, you know, he was just a type of moral teacher, and stuff.

And so all of that ties back into the New Age.

Yeah, you know, Jimmy Jones, Jimmy Jones, once again, held up his Bible, said, too many people are looking at this, and not enough at me. Yeah, yeah. Well,.

This, if this, if this doesn't tell us about Second Thessalonians, and the great falling away of what, what is happening, this is, this is a big wake-up call. A lot of people are going to be walking away.

I was thinking that psychology. Yeah, yeah.

But I think that what this is clearly showing is that, and one of the main reasons why we started the Apologetics series, and we are going to move off of it eventually to something else, but one of the reasons was because, just experience, I'm not that old, but I'm old enough to have had experience in a few churches, and how little Christians, professing Christians, and I'm not going to pass judgment on the authenticity of their salvation, but professing Christians have no idea what they actually believe.

No idea what doctrines are, you know, what the actual doctrines of the church are. And, and so it's just so important, because if you don't know, right, if all you think is you walk down an aisle, you pray a magic prayer, and you're saved, then why not believe in astrology, right?

Why, why not, right? Matt, you just identified a good.

Next step. Go from Apologetics to Systematic Theology. Yeah. And Richard's.

Going to teach it. The next class I'm going to be teaching is about Biblical Literacy. I'm going to take top ten things that people have arguments with, and we'll kind of work through it, like one of these, but we'll work through it.

But, but here's, here's the, here's part of the issue, what you're talking about. There's, there's thinking in Western Christianity that our, our knowledge base is all on the pastor's shoulder, you know, and, and to break away from that.

I mean, we're responsible for our home. We're responsible for our spiritual wellness in the home. That is the mandate that God gave us to do as a man in a family, you know. And, you know, Mike, Cameron, when you get older and you have your own family, that's going to be responsibility for you.